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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: WrikaWrek on April 09, 2010, 06:35:01 AM

Title: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 09, 2010, 06:35:01 AM
Stealin it,
Rollin it,

Will post impressions laterz

Edit:

Well, about 1 hour in, and damn. This game is the shit, it's exactly what i wanted! They Bournified Sam Fisher, and it was for the best. Light and Shadow gameplay is still pretty much all here, but now the game comes with a whole new bag of tricks. I feel like the most badass dude that ever lived.

Playing on Realistic, well, the game has certainly gotten easier. Simply because now you feel empowered, so if you beat each splinter cell game multiples times like i did, you'll probably have a super easy time going about your way without sweating to much. Personally, i've been liking that feeling so far, but hope the game gets harder as it progresses.

Graphics are great, needed a touch of AA here and there, but as someone who finished Metro 2033 on the PC (and was blown away by the graphics), and then played God of War 3, there's nothing here that will make you feel like you went back in time. I specially like it's very generous with details in the environment!

Having a blast.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: maxy on April 09, 2010, 06:43:28 AM
First review

Edge-8/10...review text needed

SCC :bow2
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 09, 2010, 06:46:31 AM
Well that's pretty good. I was half expecting the game to be dog shit after the terrible impressions i've heard about the demo.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: maxy on April 09, 2010, 06:51:04 AM
You are listening to the wrong people :D
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 09, 2010, 07:23:35 AM
Well that's pretty good. I was half expecting the game to be dog shit after the terrible impressions i've heard about the demo.

Sorry what? Where you read these? GAF :lol

This is the best Splinter Cell in recent times
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 09, 2010, 07:25:10 AM
Well that's pretty good. I was half expecting the game to be dog shit after the terrible impressions i've heard about the demo.

Sorry what? Where you read these? GAF :lol

This is the best Splinter Cell in recent times

I didn't read actually, i normally don't pay attention at all to threads about demos. A couple of friends of mine, but their taste sucks anyway.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: cool breeze on April 09, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
I forgot this was coming out next week.  I need to remember to cancel my preorder before they ship it.  Fwiw, reading up on the difference between the demo and full game made me more excited for it, but w/e.  I'll play it eventually.

quick question:  can you play online with someone not on your friends list?
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 09, 2010, 02:17:52 PM
So excited. Can't wait for it to arrive. :hyper
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 09, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Sounds great.  I bet it'll be even better on the PC. 
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: cool breeze on April 09, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Sounds great.  I bet it'll be even better on the PC. 

Ubi seemed to solve the whole piracy thing, btw, or at least lasted longer than anyone has in a while.  AC2 still hasn't been properly cracked  :lol

Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 09, 2010, 04:38:11 PM
i thought this came out on the 13th
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 09, 2010, 04:41:00 PM
i thought this came out on the 13th

It does.

Its available for pirates earlier of course or if you managed to get a store to break street date.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 09, 2010, 05:30:23 PM
Sounds great.  I bet it'll be even better on the PC. 

Ubi seemed to solve the whole piracy thing, btw, or at least lasted longer than anyone has in a while.  AC2 still hasn't been properly cracked  :lol



Yeah, that's probably why they're releasing SCC so early on the PC.  That's one good thing that came out of UBI's DRM debacle.  I was getting really tired of UBI delaying the PC versions for a couple of months just so pirates would be more likely to buy the console versions instead.

AC2's pricing on the PC is freaking ridiculous though.  It's almost as if UBI is trying to make the PC version bomb.   $60 for the PC version is OK, just barely, only if it's launched on the same day as its console brethren. 
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: cool breeze on April 09, 2010, 06:17:33 PM
well, the PC was delayed half a month recently and is coming out at the end of April
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 10, 2010, 01:20:51 PM
Finished it.

Short but great. Story starts out a bit "who what, why am i doing this? Oh well its cool anyway", but ends up being the best effort ever in a Splinter Cell game.

The interrogations rock, one of the missions will give you good old Splinter Cell like gameplay. The rest is a fast, furious, stylish and badass ride till the end. The cat and mouse gameplay is ever present here, and dying never seems like a chore, cuz honestly it is fun to actually start from the checkpoint till you get the drop on every mfker in the area without getting a scratch on you.

Sam Fisher is more of a fully realized character than before, and i hope it's not too late for the franchise to turn itself into a success again on the back of this game. Ubisoft should really spend the cash here and build upon what they did with Conviction, because although i loved this game, i can clearly see the sequel being a total home run, because they have really turned the heat with this one.

Stealth king is back, Nathan Drake and Solid Snake will feel like total pussies after you play as Sam Fisher.

Welcome back Sam!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
More chase sequences please, yes go more bourne more more moaaaar
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Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 10, 2010, 01:22:26 PM
Did you beat it on the hardest. Splinter Cell isnt fun unless its on the hardest
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 10, 2010, 01:34:52 PM
How short are we talking? and is there anything that you'd come back and replay? As a Splinter Cell fan I used to like going back to levels and trying them different ways. I just hope there's still that kind of gameplay in the game.

AND FUCK UBISHIT I want my USB drive!
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 10, 2010, 01:41:33 PM
(http://www.vgarabia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/splinter-cell-conviction-screenshot.jpg)

i finally figured out how he is holding his gun in this game from this screen

tried it out and its really comfortable, except the cocked sights are kind of weird

the first time i went shooting my cousin told me i had a weirdish grip too, i wrap my left index finger over the front of the trigger gaurd and stack both my thumbs on top of eachother on the left side of the butt, which i guess a lot of people dont find natural
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Third on April 10, 2010, 01:49:49 PM
what a boring game...
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 10, 2010, 02:13:36 PM
Did you beat it on the hardest. Splinter Cell isnt fun unless its on the hardest

Beat it on Realistic. Highest setting as far as i know.

How short are we talking? and is there anything that you'd come back and replay? As a Splinter Cell fan I used to like going back to levels and trying them different ways. I just hope there's still that kind of gameplay in the game.

AND FUCK UBISHIT I want my USB drive!

Well i would come back and beat the game again, like i did previous ones. You can absolutely approach each scenario in more than one way. Lethal vs Non Lethal, Action vs Shadow, geographically etc

what a boring game...

Shut up, boring is God of War 3, press square 10 times, triangle 10 times, win. Fuck that, go play that instead.

There's nothing boring about this game.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 10, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
this coming from the guy who has the most boring, generic and emotionless face on the internet
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 10, 2010, 02:34:24 PM
Don't know what i did to you to deserve such a personal insult, but i'll just write it off as a bitter comment.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 10, 2010, 02:36:59 PM
i was referring to third :lol
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 10, 2010, 02:39:22 PM
Oh ok, i got scared there for a minute. Like "Wtf, got slapped for no good reason... :("
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 10, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
nobody wants to talk about gun nerd shit :'(
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 10, 2010, 03:55:31 PM
Third is just doing his weak trolls as usual.  Like Wrika mentioned, smack talk about SCC being boring can't be taken seriously from someone that loved GOW3. 
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Himu on April 10, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
Can't wait for pc version
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Third on April 10, 2010, 04:08:44 PM
Just finished it.

Too fucking short and I expected better.

7/10

I want the old Splinter Cell back.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 10, 2010, 06:55:58 PM
Why do you insist on rating it with a number? As if anybody here actually gives a fuck that you wanna play pretend as a professional game reviewer?

Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 10, 2010, 07:00:07 PM
lol
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Third on April 10, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
Weird, but I don't want to replay this. I remember wanting to replay the other Splinter Cell games to try other strategies.
But with this one, not really. I might correct my score, I'm really sorry.

Good thing it's not really replayable, though. I can finally finish Metro 2033 now.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 07:15:56 PM
I could give a shit about "replayability".

I've replayed exactly one game in the last 5 to 7 years to completion.

Perhaps I won't like the game either but Third you are doing a really shitty job of describing what you didn't like about the game.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Third on April 10, 2010, 07:54:45 PM
Ehh ok...

I just don't really like the changes. Change is great, but only f you do them right. This game puts more emphasis on action than the previous iterations.
There's stealth, but you basically have to kill someone to get to your objective. Why can't I play this game without having to kill anyone? I remember the past SC games being pretty intense a lot of times. I miss that feeling in this one.
The annoying color changes on the screen are also fucking bad. Should've kept the old detection system. And what's with the stupid flashy objective signs? I'm not fucking blind. Let me find the objective without escorting me there.

What I do like are the details in the game. The graphics can get quite good at times. But it's nothing special anymore. The past SC games blew me away with their graphics and atmosphere. And the controls are great most of the time too...

I just basically miss the old Splinter Cell. That's all. Had way more fun with the other games. And it's not nostalgia...

And what the fuck was the Iraq level all about? I was so annoyed by that. Felt out of place and was pretty baaaaaad.

-edit-
beat the game in 7-8 hours I think.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 10, 2010, 08:16:24 PM
Ok...


You don't have to kill people. Sam Fisher however is good at killing people, why would that even be a question is hilarious. The game opens doors, action comes easier but let's not paint the picture as if this turns into Gears of War anywhere during the game because it doesn't. What happens is, if alarms go off, if you are discovered, well guess the fuck what you have a gun so you might try your odds.

You can play the game without killing, if want it much, stop being a sissy and holster your gun and sneak bitch. Knock out people without killing them, how about that?

Color changes aren't annoying, i thought the Black and white would suck, it works. What's the difference between black and white with some color thrown in when in stealth in comparison to night vision anyway?

Flashy objective signs? As in they flash? Because they don't? What you see here is what you saw in the videos.

So the controls are great, the graphics are good...and you are complaining about how you chose to play the game mostly.

The Iraq level, is a flashback sequence that changes the pace of the game, and is there for story reasons. It's a fun sequence, it's action stealth as i call it, you ain't playing with light and shadow, you are playing with the A.I. It wasn't out of place, because the game has assumed a very story driven style of pacing, and that's what it was. Just like the chase sequence. Maybe because you sucked at it? Tell me how was it any worse than those Uncharted 2 levels where you get to mix stealth with action? I know where the difference lies ;)

7-8 hours, is waaayyy too short. Yes because you took 20 hours to finish God of War 3.

Not buying it. If you miss the old splinter cell, there's like what? 4 games out there? Go nuts.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Third on April 10, 2010, 08:30:55 PM
Why are you mentioning Ps3 games all of the time?  :lol
GOW 3 this, Uncharted 2 that.

Sorry, but SC Conviction can't really be compared to those games. In genre and quality totally different games....
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 10, 2010, 08:42:43 PM
Why are you mentioning Ps3 games all of the time?  :lol
GOW 3 this, Uncharted 2 that.

Sorry, but SC Conviction can't really be compared to those games. In genre and quality totally different games....

I compared because you made a review of God Of War 3. You said it was brilliant, apparently had little qualms with its longevity, which isn't that different of Conviction.

And Uncharted 2, because it's considered an amazing game, 3rd action person that incorporates stealth elements, and that i personally also love, and really is no different in its integration of stealth moments in comparison to SC's integration of action moments.

Quality for sure, God of War 3 doesn't deserve to be compared to Uncharted 2 and Conviction, because it's 6 year old ideas made with new color. But i was just comparing the length.

Point is, at the end of the day, you give me zero reason to even consider your opinion as anything other than a troll because you have so little to complain about the game, yet you are so disappointed by it that it becomes a mistery.

Did you turn off waypoint in the gameplay options? Did you play in realistic? Did you try to sneak?

Or was it that, now that the levels and A.I aren't designed around a very controlled, very linear fashion, where your progression through everything is mostly a black and white answer, and now they open it up and suddenly it's no longer just a linear old fashion logic puzzle you don't know what to do and just blaze through it?

Give me some real criticism Third, because you aren't saying anything at the end of the day. All you're saying is "It's not the same as old Splinter Cell so it sucks".
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: TEEEPO on April 10, 2010, 08:48:39 PM
chill out, it's only a game.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Third on April 10, 2010, 08:54:05 PM
I don't really want to repeat myself. Sorry.  :lol
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 10, 2010, 09:26:33 PM
isnt the coop like old school splinter?
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2010, 12:06:41 PM
After third explained himself I don't have any issue with his comments. I can see where he is coming from which is kind of what I wanted to understand.

I'm not an old school Splinter Cell fan so his comments aren't really relevant to me but everybody has their taste and valid opinions.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: maxy on April 11, 2010, 12:24:40 PM
Played the game for few hours...and this game is hot hot hot
People will like this game,will sell millions...sequel guaranteed,ohhh yesssss

Sorry old farts,this is true next-gen Splinter Cell.

Black and white mechanics works perfectly and Sam is fast,agile and deadly.

 
Well done Ubi :bow2
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 11, 2010, 07:32:39 PM
are there any better deals than the amazon preorder for 50
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 12:12:02 AM
Interesting read on some of the creative decisions. (And equally weird it came from Gamepro)

http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/214761/splinter-cell-conviction/
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 12, 2010, 12:49:51 AM
i was just about to ask for some scans of that
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 01:48:29 PM
As expected my Gamefly says shipped so I will have this by Wednesday at the latest.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 12, 2010, 03:14:48 PM
GameFly :bow
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Ganhyun on April 12, 2010, 03:29:06 PM
I'm hoping that I get it as well. I have an open slot, but so far Gamefly hasnt specified which game its gonna ship me.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 03:30:43 PM
I'm hoping that I get it as well. I have an open slot, but so far Gamefly hasnt specified which game its gonna ship me.

For Tuesday releases I always get my ship confirmation on Monday morning although sometimes it takes until Wednesday or worst case Thursday to arrive. But for big releases I generally have them in my queue for awhile.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Ganhyun on April 12, 2010, 03:33:07 PM
Same. But so far Ive had the open slot since Saturday. I only have 2 games in my queue, this and another game a friend wants to play.

Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 12, 2010, 03:39:23 PM
Just to clarify, GameFly got me covered as well. Cant wait to have Fisher fingerfuck my tight butthole
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 09:33:03 PM
Driving my brother to the midnight launch, going to cancel my old GameStop pre-order and blow the money on something else. Amazon same day delivery. :hyper
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 13, 2010, 02:50:15 PM
Apparently the patch that they released today causes save corruption and crashes. Guess I wont be playing this yet... lmao
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 13, 2010, 03:11:13 PM
Yeah, my game crashed. Way to go, Ubi.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2010, 03:13:43 PM
:piss PC gaming :piss2

Oh, wait.

:rofl
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 13, 2010, 03:15:39 PM
Who tested the patch?
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 13, 2010, 03:27:32 PM
thats what you get for playing a stealth game during the day :dur
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: FatalT on April 13, 2010, 03:35:24 PM
Can't wait to pirate the PC version.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 13, 2010, 03:38:30 PM
tsc tsc
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2010, 03:41:20 PM
Can't wait to pirate the PC version.

You'll probably be waiting a long time if it's using the same DRM as AC2.  So far AC2 hasn't been completely cracked.  With a crack, you can play it partially but you can't play through the whole game.  

Why would you want to pirate SC anyway?  Aren't you into MP games?  
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 13, 2010, 03:44:34 PM
yeah plus you can come snap necks with me

spoiler (click to show/hide)
only if youll let me have the green goggles
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Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 03:45:26 PM
This game has perhaps the weirdest looking crouch walk ever.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: FatalT on April 13, 2010, 03:52:36 PM
Can't wait to pirate the PC version.

You'll probably be waiting a long time if it's using the same DRM as AC2.  So far AC2 hasn't been completely cracked.  With a crack, you can play it partially but you can't play through the whole game.  

Why would you want to pirate SC anyway?  Aren't you into MP games?  

Phooey! Well then I'll just rent it I guess. Yeah I love MP games. :D
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 04:05:22 PM
Apparently the patch that they released today causes save corruption and crashes. Guess I wont be playing this yet... lmao


Hmmmm....

Got my first crash. Fairly early.

But then my 360 is also dying. So it could be that...

Edit: It crashed in the exact same spot. On the first mission. You take out people in the chandelier room. And then I went to the weapon stash looked in it but didn't upgrade. Then I turned to the right and started walking and it freezes for me right there.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: maxy on April 13, 2010, 04:08:38 PM
If you crash is accompanied by weird dots,squares,loud sound,etc...360 is to blame
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 13, 2010, 04:17:39 PM
At the weapons cache it locks up period, theres no way around it
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 04:20:47 PM
At the weapons cache it locks up period, theres no way around it

You're fucking me?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 13, 2010, 04:23:07 PM
Yeah, clear your system cache and don't update when prompted. It works fine afterwards. It's silly, but it works. Ubisoft has apparently asked Microsoft to remove the title update until they can fix it, but no dice so far.

Stupid crash aside, this is like the best 24 videogame not starring Jack Bauer ever.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 13, 2010, 04:32:45 PM
just got it :hyper

who wants to be my coop butt buddy, kara was gonna do it but i think hes broke now :-\
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 04:35:01 PM
lulz. Release your big game which you've delayed for years only to put out a first day patch that breaks your game on the first level. That is special...
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 05:40:48 PM
btw if you just unplug your ethernet cable you can play even with the update and get past the crash.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: bork on April 13, 2010, 06:38:12 PM
Ubisoft says this has been fixed already.  Bullshit?
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 06:40:15 PM
I'm too lazy to risk a crash. I'll plug back in my ethernet cable and see if its been fixed later in the evening.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: bork on April 13, 2010, 07:06:40 PM
Mine hasn't come yet. Amazon did their part, but UPS is fuckin' up. Been out for delivery all day.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 07:36:33 PM
My early impression is good game but maybe not a great game. Although I'm still fairly early in the game.

The production values are nice. But I'm not sure the core gameplay is quite varied enough to really launch it up there as an amazing game for me. I find myself running into some of the same issues I always do in these sort of games as in when guys can see me or not. I mean its clear here when you are in cover because of the black and white thing but sometimes you kind of have to move into more lightened areas and its hard to perceive when they will see you and when they won't in certain situations.
 
The "upgrade" system is a bit of a joke. It's also a little weird how you can't hide bodies but otherwise I'm enjoying myself.

 
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: bork on April 13, 2010, 07:45:04 PM
It just came -Amazon packed in a flimsy envelope and the case is completely fucked up- but I don't know if I am going to start it yet until there's 100% confirmation it runs okay.  People are talking about getting RRoDs from this shit.   :o
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 13, 2010, 08:21:51 PM
Big games on 360 always come attached to RROD fud. It's getting old.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 13, 2010, 08:25:13 PM
games dont cause rrod's
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Third on April 13, 2010, 08:28:00 PM
Only shitty hardware does. But I remember GTAIV killing my first X360. It crashed during gameplay, and when I turned it on, the X360 RRODed at my face.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: cool breeze on April 13, 2010, 08:39:16 PM
GTAIV made my 360 die too
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 09:30:01 PM
Yeah that Iraq level was a little weird. The controls aren't really good enough to be a straight shooter.

I get why the level is there but...
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 13, 2010, 09:33:25 PM
My copy should be here tomorrow.

Btw, if you dont play on Realistic, you're cancer
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 13, 2010, 09:41:00 PM
Yeah that Iraq level was a little weird. The controls aren't really good enough to be a straight shooter.

I get why the level is there but...

Do a more tactical approach. Each encounter should only last a couple of seconds if you do it right.

It's all about the planning, the controls and gameplay aren't really designed to improvise in heavy combat scenarios where you can't hide. But they are good if you have a plan, that will clear the area of enemies in just a couple of moves.

That's what i learned anyway.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Sho Nuff on April 13, 2010, 09:55:00 PM
Splinter Cell  :hyper

God I uckfing love these games. Sam fisher  :-*
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Post by: bork on April 13, 2010, 10:17:19 PM
Been playing it for a bit now (and updated), it's fine.

You can adjust the difficult in-game, BTW.  I think I am going to restart on realistic because normal is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too easy. 
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 13, 2010, 10:25:28 PM
Yeah, it's fixed. Working fine now. Coop is fun times.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 11:12:07 PM
I find I'm enjoying myself a good deal until the "action" elements kick in. It's like there are some parts where they clearly kind of want you to treat it as an action set piece. And those parts aren't nearly as enjoyable as just sort of sneaking around and killing people.
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Post by: pilonv1 on April 13, 2010, 11:27:39 PM
That's what I hated from the demo. You're being funnelled into how they want you to play the game, there's very little choice in how you make your way through the levels. There's just an illusion of choice.
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Post by: bork on April 13, 2010, 11:28:51 PM
I'm almost back to where I was on normal.  Realistic doesn't really feel any different. 
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Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 01:03:52 AM
is it just me or are they very liberal in giving out points to upgrade weapons?

also oxycontin reference :-*
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2010, 01:52:23 AM
That's what I hated from the demo. You're being funnelled into how they want you to play the game, there's very little choice in how you make your way through the levels. There's just an illusion of choice.

My issue isn't necessarily that. There is some freedom in the stealth parts about how you want to play them. It's more that in a few cases action is clearly called for yet the action in the game isn't very good. Its sort of like they gimp the action part to make the stealth part more viable or still the star of the show. In a perfect world they would both be kinda kick-ass.

Either way I'm enjoying myself. Especially considering this is the first Splinter Cell I've ever been interested enough to keep playing through. Not saying its the best splinter cell game of course. Just saying this version of Splinter Cell is closer to the type of gamer that I personally am.

I don't want to make it seem like I don't enjoy them game. I do so far. 

I've also came across a few cases where being able to move a body would have saved me from failing an objective.  >:(

I'm all for streamlining but that was probably one cut too many. 
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Post by: Third on April 14, 2010, 01:28:56 PM
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This isn't the Splinter Cell of yesteryear. Sam Fisher is losing patience, which in turn translates into speedier stealth and a lot more bullets than before. It's hard not to feel a twinge of disappointment if you're a fan of the series. Sam's newest adventure doesn't offer the challenge you may be expecting, and recent stealth-action hybrids like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Batman: Arkham Asylum provide much more satisfying single-player experiences

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/tomclancyssplintercellconviction/review.html

Basically what I felt..
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Post by: maxy on April 14, 2010, 02:10:24 PM
MGS4 :lol
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Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
god why isnt anybody talking about the actual game, its just all pirates that already beat it, fuck this thread
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Post by: demi on April 14, 2010, 02:52:33 PM
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single-player experiences

 :lol
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2010, 04:50:41 PM
Nearing the end of the single player campaign.

It's alright. I mean there are things I like and there are things I definitely don't like. It's definitely not a contender for GOTY type material like I was hoping. I can safely say that at least. (at least about the single player part. A lot of people are saying the co-op is better than the single player which I could easily sort of see.)
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Post by: bork on April 14, 2010, 05:33:53 PM
I see this game getting sold off pretty fast once I beat it.  It's fun, but gives the same vibe as Arkham Asylum in that I don't think I will ever want to replay it.  Co-op should be fun, but no Spies Vs. Mercs sucks.

They also really should have stuck with night time, stealth-based game play.  The Iraq level kinda sucked (thankfully it was short and easy) and the visuals don't look so hot in daylight/bright areas.

Chaos Theory is still the best in the series.
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Post by: demi on April 14, 2010, 05:51:30 PM
Amazing game, only on the Mansion level so far. WOW!!!!!!!!!! the king is back.
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Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 05:54:22 PM
a warning: if you upgrade different guns to just fuck around and see what the different upgrades do and try to quit so it doesnt save dont go back to the main menu because it autosaves when you do, i just got fucking fucked
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Post by: demi on April 14, 2010, 05:59:11 PM
Did anyone else unlock the silenced machine gun from the start? Curious where that came from.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2010, 06:25:46 PM
I beat it. It's pretty short.

I'm fairly mixed on it. I sort of feel like this is the right approach for a series that I could really like but this isn't the game that delivers it. Its sort of a combo stealth/action game but the action isn't very good. It's like they are still trying to figure out how to mix the two. And while this is a step in the right direction I'm not really sure what they delivered here was a perfect combo. If they settle on this path, I think the next one could potentially be very good.

The production values were as expected very good. The story is meh but its delivered with enough production value that is good enough and its certainly better than what I've seen out of prior Splinter Cell games which were stone cold boring in that regard.

The best parts are some of the environments where you can just sneak around and take out the people as you please but often they will stick action elements in certain places which just weren't fun for me.There is some wonkiness about taking out people with the melee attack when you are on corners which frustrated me also.

Graphics are definitely very average and its not 60 fps so that's a little meh although I don't care about graphics.

It's a fun enough game. I probably feel the same way I felt after I beat Bioshock 2. Decent to good game. Nothing exceptional.

If anybody wants to try out the co-op just hit me up in this thread or on Xbox Live. I'm not especially good at the game but then I found you could often just brute force your way through some of the more difficult elements with the amount of gadgets they give you.

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Post by: bork on April 14, 2010, 06:27:26 PM
How many levels is it?  I hit stage eight
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(Third Eschelon)
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last night.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2010, 06:34:19 PM
How many levels is it?  I hit stage eight
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(Third Eschelon)
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last night.

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According to the achievements there are 11 Chapters. Third Eschelon is the 8th chapter.
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Post by: demi on April 14, 2010, 06:38:08 PM
Has anyone done a no-shot no-spot level yet? I'm trying it on Kobin's Mansion.
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Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 06:40:40 PM
Did anyone else unlock the silenced machine gun from the start? Curious where that came from.

its either an uplay gift that everyone got or it was from that text message deal you wrote about in the other thread
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 14, 2010, 07:37:58 PM
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This isn't the Splinter Cell of yesteryear. Sam Fisher is losing patience, which in turn translates into speedier stealth and a lot more bullets than before. It's hard not to feel a twinge of disappointment if you're a fan of the series. Sam's newest adventure doesn't offer the challenge you may be expecting, and recent stealth-action hybrids like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Batman: Arkham Asylum provide much more satisfying single-player experiences

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/tomclancyssplintercellconviction/review.html

Basically what I felt..

Too bad he ends up on a rather embarrassing note by mentioning MGS4 and Batman.

Has anyone done a no-shot no-spot level yet? I'm trying it on Kobin's Mansion.

Sure, 2nd level is easy to do. Having a harder time in the whole Factory/Scientist Lab, but so far so good.
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Post by: demi on April 14, 2010, 08:30:37 PM
Has anyone got past the part in Kobin's Mansion with the car without either getting caught, or not shooting a bullet? This is getting :\

I dont want to resort to shooting people up, trying to do the challenges for not getting spotted, or not shooting.

edit: Duh, the car alarm. I got it now.
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Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 08:40:06 PM
i like the iraq level
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2010, 08:55:33 PM
Co-op is pretty fun.
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Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 09:08:10 PM
are you playing with randoms?
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2010, 09:09:11 PM
are you playing with randoms?

I hoped in with a random but I got pretty lucky. He was a nice dude and we finished the first mission.
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Post by: naff on April 14, 2010, 09:21:18 PM
Funny they mention Batman: AA (I guess it's a pretty obvious comparison really  :-[), I watched a walkthrough of the first mission and when he's climbing around on the pipes takin out people it felt a bit like Batman imo.

Didn't watch past the point where Fisher gets captured while threatening Kobin but it looks pretty good. The expansive but not invasive tutorial over the first level is nice (what you need to do being projected on walls).
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2010, 09:27:42 PM
Batman isn't a good comparison because that game is much more than a stealth game. It has a little bit of everything.

MGS a least falls into the same category as this game. I can't really argue the case from a quality experience as I've never played MGS 4. (Well that's not true. I played about a 1/3 of it which I enjoyed)

I also think Batman is a much better single player game but its somewhat different as they are not exactly the same thing or in the same genre really. While I think its a better game its in an overall sense not in a genre sense.
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Post by: Ganhyun on April 14, 2010, 09:38:46 PM
Much better than Double Agent IMO, but not the best game from the bit I've played so far.


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I just got back to my car from meeting Vic
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Post by: naff on April 14, 2010, 10:07:37 PM
Yeah, I think MGS4 is boss same with Batman. Will be trying this game out soon as it comes to a video store near me, fuck I wish we had a gamefly-esque service here. We have 1 but I trialled it for 2 weeks and never had anythin sent to me  :-\
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Post by: demi on April 14, 2010, 10:16:57 PM
How do you take out Kobin's guards without being alerted? I made it that far and everything went to shit.
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Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 11:45:49 PM
maybe emp the lights on one side and run up to him and press b

voila no kills
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Post by: bork on April 15, 2010, 12:04:25 AM
maybe emp the lights on one side and run up to him and press b

voila no kills

I tried to take out Kobin without killing all his guards, and it wouldn't let me until they were all dead. 
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Post by: demi on April 15, 2010, 12:49:57 AM
Yeah, you have to get rid of them period.

Also, co-op mode is AWESOME. It's so lienient on what you can do. We had the framerate running at least 10fps cause there were so many guys trying to come at us at once. I love this game. Haters annihilated
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Post by: Third on April 15, 2010, 07:12:33 AM
Too bad he ends up on a rather embarrassing note by mentioning MGS4 and Batman.

Not really. Both games are better than Conviction. IMO, of course.

Conviction is a stellar game. But it's definitely one of the worst SC games I've played. SC1, Pandora Tomorrow and Chaos Theory are better SC games. Conviction = Double Agent.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 15, 2010, 07:56:51 AM
How do you take out Kobin's guards without being alerted? I made it that far and everything went to shit.

Gotta use gadgets.

Put a mine in the door, mark (if you want to kill), kill guy in the window, blow mine. Guys go watch, emp grenade, catch one from behind, execute. If you don't wanna kill them, you just have to make more noise, use diversions.

Too bad he ends up on a rather embarrassing note by mentioning MGS4 and Batman.



Not really. Both games are better than Conviction. IMO, of course.

Conviction is a stellar game. But it's definitely one of the worst SC games I've played. SC1, Pandora Tomorrow and Chaos Theory are better SC games. Conviction = Double Agent.

No.

MGS4 doesn't come close to SC, and Batman stealth gameplay isn't on par with SC at all. Yeah...pandora tomorrow sucked dude, Double agent on Xbox is better than that.

And whatever, you like previous SCs better, you've made your point. Chaos Theory is still a better game than MGS4 and Batman, whether you think it's better than Conviction or not, so i don't quite catch the comparison repeat to previous SCs.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2010, 02:05:24 PM
Awesome game is awesome, haters annihilated. Sign me up for Splinter Cell: Megiddo's Way.
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Post by: FatalT on April 15, 2010, 03:05:23 PM
Single player is like 5 hours long? Wow, I'll definitely be renting this.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 03:12:23 PM
Single player is like 5 hours long? Wow, I'll definitely be renting this.

It's not very long. About the length of a first person shooter campaign like Call of Duty or Bad Company or Halo. The co-op story mode adds probaly a couple of more hours. And you have the other co-op stuff which doesn't interest me but also probably adds more time if you are into those modes.

I don't think the length of time is necessarily a detriment. Once you add in all the stuff you are going to get a decent number of hours depending on how much you like the co-op stuff.

Although I agree its a (good) rental game. No way would I have bought this one. I'm already sending it back to gamefly tomorrow. 
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Post by: demi on April 15, 2010, 03:16:20 PM
I would buy it just to support this amazing series. I guess the game would be 5 hours if you played on Easy like Stoney

It is what it is, you know? Casuals
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 03:22:10 PM
lulz. I played it on realistic.

Like I said I'm not very good at it but you honestly don't have to be very good at it with most of the gadgets they give and the fact that you can shoot anybody. Even though the action is so poor you probably don't want to play it like that.
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Post by: Third on April 15, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/splinter-cell-conviction-360-review

But but eurogamer only gives Ps3 exclusives a bad score.

The main draw seems to be the co-op. But I don't really care about that shit.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2010, 04:32:44 PM
Definitely purchase for me. Game is awesome. Shooting/stealth rawks hard. Co-op is awesome. And I haven't even burnt through all the deniable ops stuff.

... how can you return the game if you didn't play Co-op? It's a separate story!
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 04:34:46 PM
... how can you return the game if you didn't play Co-op? It's a separate story!

I'll finish the co-op this evening. I've done one of the chapters in it last night.
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Post by: demi on April 15, 2010, 07:02:23 PM
This game is pretty hard if you dont use the gun.
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Post by: demi on April 15, 2010, 09:52:52 PM
O_o the iraq level is a bit out of place. Definitely shouldnt belong in the game.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2010, 09:54:17 PM
Yeah, it's the only level I didn't really like. It's not bad, it's just, awkward. Like someone sticking a finger in your butthole during sex.
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Post by: demi on April 15, 2010, 10:05:16 PM
But I would like that. This is more like... someone talking about the merits of Vanilla Coke during sex
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Post by: bork on April 15, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
I am having trouble on the final(?) level.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's at the part where you shoot the Vice-President in the leg and then a flood of enemies comes into the room.  I have been using the pipes to climb to the ceiling, and while there is the occasional enemy that looks up and spots me (seems to happen once every few tries) and then I'm basically dead, I can't seem to pass this area.  I can clear out the first wave of enemies, but then the second set that comes after you start to go into the next room just kills me.  Any advice?
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This seems to be one of those parts where action is a MUST, and surprise, surprise-- it feels kinda weak.  Fun dropping multiple chandeliers on people though.   :lol
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 10:48:03 PM
Yeah that part was lame as are most of the truly "action" parts. Especially on realistic because the enemy AI aim is literally perfect.

I just chucked grenades and used those remote mines. But that part has two major waves so you have to save enough of them for the second wave after you step into the hall and trigger the second wave.

There is also that assault rifle which has the silencer which can help. The SC something or other.


You can move around a bit and hide behind those tables occasionally to get off some shots or chuck grenades undetected.


 
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Post by: bork on April 15, 2010, 10:55:28 PM
I think I'm passed it now.  Tried another approach on that second wave-- set off the trap and got one of the guys to come after me, then went into the small room you enter that area from and crouched in the corner, waiting for the others to come, and chucking frag grenades.  Wiped them all out.
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Post by: drew on April 15, 2010, 10:58:36 PM
Yeah, it's the only level I didn't really like. It's not bad, it's just, awkward. Like someone sticking a finger in your butthole during sex.

this is a perfect analogy because it is a nice surprise :-*
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Post by: bork on April 15, 2010, 11:13:18 PM
Game finished; looking back, it's just the Iraq level that's pretty "meh."  The last few levels ramped up the intensity and were easily the best parts of the game.  Now it's time to delve into the other modes...
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Post by: drew on April 15, 2010, 11:37:36 PM
how could you guys not like that level?

:bow zoom sights on assault rifles :bow2

:bow shooting terrorists with them :bow2
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 16, 2010, 08:56:03 AM
I am having trouble on the final(?) level.

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It's at the part where you shoot the Vice-President in the leg and then a flood of enemies comes into the room.  I have been using the pipes to climb to the ceiling, and while there is the occasional enemy that looks up and spots me (seems to happen once every few tries) and then I'm basically dead, I can't seem to pass this area.  I can clear out the first wave of enemies, but then the second set that comes after you start to go into the next room just kills me.  Any advice?
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This seems to be one of those parts where action is a MUST, and surprise, surprise-- it feels kinda weak.  Fun dropping multiple chandeliers on people though.   :lol

I don't understand why.

It seems like people still haven't understood that shooting in this game should be mostly, and i mean MOSTLY with the mark and execute.

Taking into account you'll get at least 3 marks with a pimped out gun, and 4 with Sam's favorite one, i have a hard time believing that when you shoot the vice president, you aren't able to right next to the door, let the guards pass by you, and mark and execute your way out of that situation.

That part is not "lame becuz of the action", jesus christ people. Use the fucking mark and execute feature.
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Post by: demi on April 16, 2010, 09:02:31 AM
The more I play this, the more I start to think this is only a step above Double Agent  :-\

Great scenario and scenes, weak weak weak gameplay

Starting to eat crow here...
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Post by: MCD on April 16, 2010, 10:42:38 AM
flip
flop
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Post by: demi on April 16, 2010, 10:54:24 AM
This game is a mish mash of horrible mess and brilliance, I can't help it
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Post by: Smooth Groove on April 16, 2010, 11:41:27 AM
So is solo really 5 hrs long?  I'm not sure I want to spend $50 on that. 
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Post by: demi on April 16, 2010, 11:49:47 AM
On easy mode you can simply run through levels
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Post by: bork on April 16, 2010, 12:46:53 PM
I ran through parts of the last couple of levels on realistic.  Especially in the last stage...knew it was the end and just had to get to the checkpoint, and easily ran past a shit-ton of guards to trigger the final event.

Tried out Deniable Ops and it was a lot more fun.  Cuts out the bullshit and just gets right into the sneaking/stealth killing.  Clear a set amount of enemies and move onto the next part of the stage...get seen and more enemies come that you have to take out.  Still I think this game will be sold off by next week.  Flawed but fun.
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Post by: demi on April 16, 2010, 12:49:16 PM
lol. Yeah you can run through on Realistic. But on Rookie you can run in front of people and it wont ever trigger red.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2010, 02:26:47 PM
Apparently all you need is a copy of the game for the ghost recon beta so I'll probably rent it again around that time.

http://www.vg247.com/2010/04/16/ghost-recon-future-soldier-multiplayer-beta-detailed/#more-90418
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Post by: bork on April 16, 2010, 08:23:44 PM
I don't understand why.

It seems like people still haven't understood that shooting in this game should be mostly, and i mean MOSTLY with the mark and execute.

Taking into account you'll get at least 3 marks with a pimped out gun, and 4 with Sam's favorite one, i have a hard time believing that when you shoot the vice president, you aren't able to right next to the door, let the guards pass by you, and mark and execute your way out of that situation.

That part is not "lame becuz of the action", jesus christ people. Use the fucking mark and execute feature.

I take it this means that you haven't played this part yet.  You can't do that because:

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-The area right around the doors will "explode" from them busting in.
-There are a hell of a lot more than just four guards that come in. 
-They come in from two different doors and immediately converge on each other.
-You can't hide anywhere (except the pipes on the ceiling, that worked for me most of the time) without being discovered quickly.  Initially I would mark and execute, but that doesn't work since the guards all come rushing towards where their comrades died. 
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Did I mark and execute?  Yeah, of course...who fucking doesn't do that?   Executing will make Sam do other impossible shots that go through walls and such.   :lol ::)   You get to execute for shooting the chandeliers and having them fall on people.  There's three of them in the room!  You still have to deal with multiple waves of enemies though, including the "smarter" Third Echelon types.  And even after you clear the room, more will come in again for a last go-round.  It is inescapable.  The door is also booby-trapped so you will alert them no matter what you do to get around it.

Maybe this is one of those parts where playing on easy or normal really is a lot easier.  It wasn't insanely difficult or anything, just a little frustrating.  I wanted to try to sneak past them all and avoid conflict entirely.  Doesn't seem possible, and that's what's lame.  Would love to be proven wrong.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 16, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
I've finished the game twice.

You can absolutely go to the left of the door. Mine the first entrance, grab a splinter cell kill 4 dudes, chandeleer for the 5th, then there's 2 or 3 more splinter cells inside the next room who pop smoke, easy cake, then there's like 2 or 3 more encounters with splinter cell groups in further rooms (after or before an easy encounter with some soldiers who are blasting it off against secret agents), which are easily disposed off hand to hand.

So yeah, it's impossible whatever. It's always impossible when we can't do it.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: bork on April 16, 2010, 09:43:19 PM
I've finished the game twice.

You can absolutely go to the left of the door. Mine the first entrance, grab a splinter cell kill 4 dudes, chandeleer for the 5th, then there's 2 or 3 more splinter cells inside the next room who pop smoke, easy cake, then there's like 2 or 3 more encounters with splinter cell groups in further rooms (after or before an easy encounter with some soldiers who are blasting it off against secret agents), which are easily disposed off hand to hand.

So yeah, it's impossible whatever. It's always impossible when we can't do it.

Did you do this on realistic?  And without being seen at all?  I also didn't have any mines to put on the first entrance, and once again...there's more than just four-five guys that walk in.  It was just that one part I had trouble with.  Everything after was indeed "easy cake."  I passed this part after a couple of tries.  Once I found I could take out everyone by staying on the ceiling and then pick off the rest of the guys by hiding in the adjacent room, it was a cinch.  The frustrating part is trying to do it without being seen/killing anyone.  I was able to do it without being seen on my last attempt.

That is what I said was impossible: Doing that part without being seen AND *without killing anyone.*  I'd like to see that.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 16, 2010, 09:47:56 PM
I've finished the game twice.

You can absolutely go to the left of the door. Mine the first entrance, grab a splinter cell kill 4 dudes, chandeleer for the 5th, then there's 2 or 3 more splinter cells inside the next room who pop smoke, easy cake, then there's like 2 or 3 more encounters with splinter cell groups in further rooms (after or before an easy encounter with some soldiers who are blasting it off against secret agents), which are easily disposed off hand to hand.

So yeah, it's impossible whatever. It's always impossible when we can't do it.

Did you do this on realistic?  And without being seen at all?  I also didn't have any mines to put on the first entrance, and once again...there's more than just four-five guys that walk in.  It was just that one part I had trouble with.  Everything after was indeed "easy cake." 

What I said was "impossible" was doing that without being seen AND *without killing anyone.*  I'd like to see that.

I haven't tried it without killing. Didn't realize that's what you were saying.

Doesn't even make sense to me anyway, in the context of the story, it only makes sense for Sam to actually kill and wreck shit up in that last part.

I wasn't seen though, but i did have all the gadgets. I go from blackout to inside the white house without using any gadgets so i'm packing when i get at to the vice president.

Btw, i actually think being scene can be used to your advantage with the last known position in this game, so i don't really ever feel the need to NEVER be seen, if the scenario actually will provide for a more interesting approach should you be seen.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: bork on April 16, 2010, 09:54:01 PM
It's for the challenge of it.  My favorite stealth parts are getting passed groups of guards without being noticed and avoiding stealth kills/gunfights entirely.   :)   There were plenty of times where I would kill every single guard in the area and use the last known position thing to the advantage, too. 

I mean, your only objective most of the time is to just get to a certain point in the level to move on.  So it should be possible to clear most areas without ever being seen or killing anybody...

...but some of the segments at the end just don't seem like it's possible to do that is all.  Definitely seems like they designed the game around Sam killing fucking everybody this time around.   :lol 
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 16, 2010, 09:58:04 PM
My favorite game is killing everybody in the room, hand to hand, while walking standing up. Playing tricks in them soldiers, throw a dude through some glass, go around kill 2 guys bourne style.

Just feeling like a badass.

At the end of the game, if you wanna try it, i think you gotta use a lot of explosion diversion, and flashbangs. I'll try it out next time.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 16, 2010, 10:03:48 PM
This is the only game I've played in recent months (maybe even longer) where I feel like I'm not playing it right. I tried to explain it to people but all I was met with was laughs and scorn.

The part where you learn Anna's secret is awesome, though. I was like WAT when I saw my Marks go up to SIX :lol
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 18, 2010, 06:10:35 PM
Finished this last night. Definitely not the best SC. But a huge step in the right direction for a fresh start. I still felt like I was playing the entire game wrong, finding that risk vs reward wasnt in my favor when playing with stealth. You can just blaze through the game chucking grenades and executing. Using stealth mixed in just lowers the number of enemies you'll deal with. You can see this in the challenges they give you. Majority of them are requiring using your grenades, "neutralizing" people, and rarely involve sneaking around. Because of my play style, I am stuck having to grind the challenges out that I would have never done otherwise.

The end was really weak and really abrupt. There wasnt even any huge gunfight or anything. If anyone can get past that turret without getting caught in the White House near the end, I'd love to see a video. I swear I tried everything imaginable.

I also hate how they nixed a lot of stuff related to stealth. Whistling, sticky cams that whistle and pop smoke, shock stickies, dragging bodies.

The real star of the game is the co-op modes. Sooo good. Hunter > entire single player. Face-Off is actually nice too. I prefer it much more than Spies vs Mercs. Just add 2 more people and the fun really starts.


They have a GREAT foundation to start with. I feel that their next game will be their Mass Effect 2. We will really be wowed. As it is, all the delays and restarts really hurt the game in the long run, I think.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2010, 07:14:42 PM
That is roughly what I felt.

The game is going through growing pains as it tries to transition from being what it was to a more modern action approach. If they sort of embrace what they are now instead of some of the legacy stuff this could end up being a great game. But right now its not as they struggle to slip in the action.

I also agree that as you played it, you could certainly feel the skitzophrenic dev cycle that must have taken place as they tried to find the game they were making. Things like that chase sequence for instance which seems like a good idea but just didn't feel right. There is a good deal of that in the game.

Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 18, 2010, 07:23:16 PM
I hope they keep going in the same direction.

They need to lose fear of having to have a game be always the same. The chase sequence was fun, do better next time, try something with cars maybe. Make a level or two where the game relies 100% on light and shadow gameplay. Then do some more stealth action focused.

One of the things i really loved in this game and in Uncharted 2 is that i didn't completely feel like the game was always asking the same question, but demanding differently worded answers.

Having some "moment" set pieces is always fun to break of the routine imo.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 18, 2010, 07:25:11 PM
There should have been a sweet fistfight involving Sam and Reed on top of the white house or something. That would have been awesome.

Moments like when you melee the guy at the beginning of Michigan Resevoir and he slow-mo dodges the knife, or when you stab Kobin with the flag at Third Echelon, are like... awesome. You dont even get that with Reed.

You finally meet the guy who ruined your life, made you kill your friend, lose your daughter... and all he does is smack him with the gun a few times.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2010, 07:28:05 PM
There should have been a sweet fistfight involving Sam and Reed on top of the white house or something. That would have been awesome.

Moments like when you melee the guy at the beginning of Michigan Resevoir and he slow-mo dodges the knife, or when you stab Kobin with the flag at Third Echelon, are like... awesome. You dont even get that with Reed.

The whole part where you are in the white house should have been more epic. I mean its cool. But it should have felt really cool.
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I mean you shoot the vice president of the united states for god sakes.
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That whole buildup and moment should have been awesome. Instead since it hasn't been built up properly it just sort of feels meh.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Third on April 18, 2010, 07:31:08 PM
And less Iraq-type levels in the sequel please. That shit was horrible.
They also need to get rid of the stupid color switching during gameplay. Give me another option to see if I'm visible to the enemy or not.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 18, 2010, 07:40:11 PM
There should have been a sweet fistfight involving Sam and Reed on top of the white house or something. That would have been awesome.

Moments like when you melee the guy at the beginning of Michigan Resevoir and he slow-mo dodges the knife, or when you stab Kobin with the flag at Third Echelon, are like... awesome. You dont even get that with Reed.

You finally meet the guy who ruined your life, made you kill your friend, lose your daughter... and all he does is smack him with the gun a few times.

I shot him twice.

But yeah, totally. It's weird, it felt like the team knew that they wanted something more, but got cold feet allover the place, and instead of pushing pedal to the metal, they stopped halfway.

The Iraq Level didn't bother me at all, and i had fun, but it totally should've been Fisher instead of his buddy, and it should've been a stealth like mission, in the veigns of Behind Enemy lines. The full blown action set piece should've been the escape.

Too bad.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 18, 2010, 07:47:55 PM
I thought pressing Shoot would instantly end it right there, I'll have to see what happens when he shoots him.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Ganhyun on April 18, 2010, 10:29:11 PM
I guess I'm near the end of the campaign as well.

I'm at the point of trying to infiltrate the White House.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: bork on April 19, 2010, 01:31:56 AM
Played 2P split-screen co-op tonight.  We did the first stage...I was impressed that the frame rate and visuals did not take any kind of noticeable hit this way, and that co-op has its own story to follow.  It was a hell of a lot more fun than the single player!
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: Ganhyun on April 19, 2010, 02:38:24 AM
just finished up the single player. So, quick question, since I had the choice to kill the guy/leave him alive, there are 2 achievements tied to that? If so, do I have to go through the entire game again to get the other? or is there a chapter select option?
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 19, 2010, 03:16:35 AM
Just hit "Continue Story" and it will place you before you get there
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: naff on April 19, 2010, 09:31:46 AM
A marketing company in Auckland New Zealand (where I'm from) nearly caused a shooting promoting this today. Dressed as Sam Fisher this guy just pulled out an imitation gun and started wielding it at people in a bar, que police swat team. Apparently his costume consisted of a bandaged hand... And the gun.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10639139
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2010, 10:26:34 AM
Well, that game is pretty awesome.

Co-op is awesome in this, but I need to play with someone other than my brother. He sucks, and doesn't communicate. We literally failed the second part of the story THREE TIMES because he was running past guards, alerting them and other stupid shit. If he gets shot, he doesn't stay down, but pull out his pistol and starts blazing - and then he dies for good.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: demi on April 19, 2010, 10:59:46 AM
play w/ me jewco
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 19, 2010, 03:00:24 PM
looked up the five seven (fishers favorite gun) last night on google because i wasnt familiar with it

turns out its the "cop killer" gun they were talking about back in the day, it was made to house assault rifle firepower in the palm of your hand, the bullets look like little ak rounds, evidently if you get the right brand of this type of bullet it can pierce kevlar vests

(http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fiveseven_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: trippingmartian on April 20, 2010, 02:25:06 PM
Stopped playing after dying in the Iraq level. Been playing other games since, but I really like the game up to that point. I wonder how difficult it would be to port old SC levels into the new engine. I'd love to see some budget remakes (or even a best levels collection) of the old SC games.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: naff on April 22, 2010, 10:31:39 PM
So, Ubi are doing free weekly DLC for this game, every Thursday ranging from the mundane like new guns and outfits to maps and even game modes (word on the street is Spies vs Mercs in the pipeline as DLC).
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: The Sceneman on April 22, 2010, 11:19:50 PM
you buying this shit dicc?
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Post by: FatalT on April 22, 2010, 11:40:02 PM
I just rented it from Blockbuster about 6 hours ago and beat it on Realistic. I already took it back and rented Metro 2033 using the game pass. It was aight. I'll pick it up if Spies vs Mercs ever gets put in.
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: drew on April 23, 2010, 01:47:39 AM
ok, demi ::)
Title: Re: Splinter Bourne Cell Official Thread of grandadies being panthers
Post by: trippingmartian on April 24, 2010, 01:22:40 AM
Finished the game. Playing on realistic now, for the hell of it. My only major complaint is there are too many in-game cut-scenes that are impossible to skip.

One of the better moments was in the army barracks. I took out a guard, turned off the lights and a patrolling guard came around and tripped over the dead body so I popped out and finished him while he was still on the ground.  :D