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Title: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 06:44:40 PM
After watching both the past two nights, along with companion episodes from The Animated Series, I am willing to concede that Clerks II is superior to the original (which has aged a lot in places).
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 06:45:41 PM
I am willing to concede that you're a fucking moron. :-*
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Mupepe on December 19, 2006, 06:46:17 PM
Clerks II has one of the worst endings I have ever seen.  The jail scene is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
Clerks II has one of the worst endings I have ever seen.  The jail scene is ridiculous.

Thats it, you, me, OUTSIDE! >:( :punch
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2006, 06:47:09 PM
The original Clerks is a classic; the latest is just another movie.  Sorry Federwang.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 06:47:26 PM
The ending to Clerks II is easily superior to the ending of the original, where Dante and Randal hatefuck and the movie falls apart.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 19, 2006, 06:48:02 PM
Clerks II would have been better is Mewes wasn't in it as much. His antics were a little too much for me in this film.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 06:48:57 PM
The ending to Clerks II is easily superior to the ending of the original, where Dante and Randal hatefuck and the movie falls apart.

Yes. But you're forgetting how awesome the other ninety minutes of Clerks were. >:(
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 19, 2006, 06:49:17 PM
II is overall a superior film. I mean come on

ROSARIO DAWSON BOOBIE BOUNCE SCENE
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 06:49:25 PM
I'll take Jay overexposure than Mewes debut in the original Clerks.  His acting in that is awful.

Also, the original is poorly acted in general.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 19, 2006, 06:50:01 PM
I'll take Jay overexposure than Mewes debut in the original Clerks.  His acting in that is awful.

Also, the original is poorly acted in general.
Randal's speech at the end of II put a tear in my eye.  :'(
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 06:51:46 PM
I'll take Jay overexposure than Mewes debut in the original Clerks.  His acting in that is awful.

Also, the original is poorly acted in general.

Damn it, you are right. There's still just something... THERE in the first that isnt there in the second. ???
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Disposable White Guy on December 19, 2006, 06:52:30 PM
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I can't decide  :gloomy
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 06:53:10 PM
Yeah, both grew as actors.  There are some points in the original where O'Halloran(sp?) is painful.  Both female leads in the original are awful actresses as well.  And the editing is awful - the are parts in the original where an actor fucked up their lines and they just left it in.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2006, 06:54:31 PM
I'll take Jay overexposure than Mewes debut in the original Clerks.  His acting in that is awful.

Also, the original is poorly acted in general.

Damn it, you are right. There's still just something... THERE in the first that isnt there in the second. ???

It's called HEART, and it's something Hollywood scum like Federwang know nothing about.  Now back on ignore you go!
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Mupepe on December 19, 2006, 06:56:07 PM
Clerks II has one of the worst endings I have ever seen.  The jail scene is ridiculous.

Thats it, you, me, OUTSIDE! >:( :punch
That scene is fucking lame.

The hatefuck at the end of the original was awesome.  It was funny and got the point across.  Especially the part where he throws the mini donuts at him before getting up.

The jail scene was just bad.  Cheesy and bad.  

The acting in the first may have been bad, but you can tell they were really into it and they put much more emotion than they did in II.

Not to mention, THE CONTENT WAS JUST BETTER.  I was funny in more spots than II was.  

The acting doesn't matter if it the content was just better.  I'd watch fucking high school drama students act it out if the plot was funny!
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Mupepe on December 19, 2006, 06:56:30 PM
Willco, when did you stop caring about the movie and start caring about the glam?
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 06:56:39 PM
O'Halloran is still a shitty actor these days, imo. In the second he just seemed to be doing his best "I'm a loser who is scared to shit or get off the pot" act, rather than putting any real effort into the role. Jeff Anderson, on the other hand, stole the fucking show. Randal in Clerks II > Randal in Clerks.

 :-[
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 06:57:16 PM
Clerks II is anything but a Hollywood film.  Just because it doesn't have atrocious acting, poor lighting or amateur level crew doesn't mean it's a sellout popcorn flick.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 06:58:08 PM
Clerks II is anything but a Hollywood film.  Just because it doesn't have atrocious acting, poor lighting or amateur level crew doesn't mean it's a sellout popcorn flick.

Keep spinning, sell out. :-*
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Mupepe on December 19, 2006, 06:58:24 PM
No one said it was a sellout film.  But acting, lighting etc are nothing without good content.  The content (besides a braless hottie) was trash in II.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 06:58:53 PM
Even in content, Clerks II is funnier, better paced with better writing, tightly edited and well made.  Nothing will make me not love the original, even with all its faults, but it's really just 90 minutes of douchebagery.  Clerks II has a story.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Mondain on December 19, 2006, 06:59:46 PM
Clerks 2 is complete shit

Even in content, Clerks II is funnier, better paced with better writing, tightly edited and well made.  Nothing will make me not love the original, even with all its faults, but it's really just 90 minutes of douchebagery.  Clerks II has a story.

It doesn't feel natural anymore, the dialogue and these kinds of situations just feel forced when passed through Hollywood's blender some twelve years later.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 07:00:25 PM
Clerks 2 is complete shit

This poster is complete shit.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: CrystalGemini on December 19, 2006, 07:00:54 PM
Clerks II.   :D
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 07:01:06 PM
You can say a lot of things about Clerks II, but that it's complete shit is not one of them.  In a very mediocre summer blockbuster field, dare I say it was the best of the summer to come out of the Hollywood pipeline?
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 07:01:59 PM
Clerks II.   :D

That's my girl! :)
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Disposable White Guy on December 19, 2006, 07:03:02 PM
I dunno, Clerks II didn't seem like it was really trying to be better than Clerks (apart from the outrageousness), but just an extension to the Clerks storyline.  I enjoy them equally, shitty fight scene/gay jail experience and all.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Mondain on December 19, 2006, 07:05:12 PM
well, better than the average Hollywood film, for sure, although that's not hard to accomplish

but in the end it's just yet another forgettable film that has lost the magic of the original... the recipe for View Askew comedies with this crew is now tired

the actors aren't very good, only Jason Mewes is entertaining through the film with his replies and he has very little screen time

especially Brian O'Halloran... although admittedly sympathetic, he looks and talks gayer than Frank 'N Further
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 19, 2006, 07:05:30 PM
I have seen neither.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 07:07:31 PM
I have seen neither.

Well, you suck. :'(
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Disposable White Guy on December 19, 2006, 07:08:43 PM
^true story
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2006, 07:09:31 PM
I have seen neither.

Dammit Juice, put the original at the top of your que.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2006, 07:10:35 PM
I love the original movie, and don't feel it has aged much at all.I have yet to see Clerks 2 though, so I can't vote unfortunately.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 19, 2006, 07:11:40 PM
I have seen neither.

Dammit Juice, put the original at the top of your que.

Fuck, I have so much shit I wanna watch but half the time I'm like, "eh fuck it, I don't feel like sitting down and watching a whole movie." I usually end up refreshing this board and GAF or playing a game or both.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2006, 07:13:55 PM
I'm going to get a Netflix account. You guys make suggestions for movies that are NOT on that top 100 movies list in Cheebs' thread!
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 07:14:14 PM
You're dead to me, you hear?!

DEAD. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2006, 07:17:05 PM
huh? I said that because I'm getting most of those movies anyways, so it'd be redundant to suggest the same movies on that list!
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 07:18:15 PM
YOU STAY OUT OF THIS, I'M SPEAKING TO CAJOLE! >:( :lol
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 19, 2006, 07:20:09 PM
How is clerks II a hollywood film? It's a 5 million budget rather independent movie.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 07:21:42 PM
Because, technically it was produced by a studio.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 19, 2006, 07:22:46 PM
So was Chasing Amy yet it is still considered indie. Miramax funded Amy.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 07:23:34 PM
I never really thought of Chasing Amy as an indie film.  A lot of people that use the term don't really know what it means.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 19, 2006, 07:25:05 PM
Technically wouldn't the star wars prequels be indie films since Lucas funds them himself 100%? (Fox just distributes the films)
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 19, 2006, 07:25:25 PM
YOU STAY OUT OF THIS, I'M SPEAKING TO CAJOLE! >:( :lol

I'm sorry. I'm changing my tag (I forgot I could could do it now).
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 07:26:59 PM
YOU DAMN WELL BETTER. :gun
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2006, 07:28:06 PM
YOU STAY OUT OF THIS, I'M SPEAKING TO CAJOLE! >:( :lol

I'm sorry. I'm changing my tag (I forgot I could could do it now).

Himuro
Sucks at movie watching
Senior Member

?

Let's make a Sucky Movie Watchers Guild.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Melissa on December 19, 2006, 07:30:42 PM
The original Clerks is a classic; the latest is just another movie.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 07:30:51 PM
Technically wouldn't the star wars prequels be indie films since Lucas funds them himself 100%? (Fox just distributes the films)

Yes.  A lot of people have referred to them over the years as the most expensive indie films ever made.

The term indie is supposed to imply that the film was made outside the system or financed independently.  Like, I'd refer to Sin City as an indie film, because it was definitely made outside the system.

Mostly, people use it to describe films with low to no budgets, but that's just incorrect.  Lots of major players will finance cheap films with strong scripts for an Oscar push, and they are by no means independent films (I'm looking at you, Brokeback Mountain!).
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 19, 2006, 07:33:02 PM
True. Plus Lucas seems to HATE the hollywood system and is a vocal critic of the director and writer guilds.

So does  Rodriguez I believe.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 07:34:55 PM
So does Rodriguez I believe.

Well, ever since Sin City, he's taken a very ANTI-DIRECTOR'S GUILD stance.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Disposable White Guy on December 19, 2006, 07:35:52 PM
Can't imagine why he'd feel that way  ::)
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 07:36:33 PM
 :-*
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 07:36:44 PM
Rodriguez may not like Hollywood, but Hollywood sure hates Rodriguez.  I know folks that work in the industry that won't even see his movies given his anti-union stance.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 19, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
I'll watch any Rodrigues movie just to be amazed by how awesomely he can tackle the techincal aspects.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 19, 2006, 07:39:09 PM
Did Lucas do the Indiana Jones films independently ala Star Wars or does Paramount put up the money for those? Because Spielberg is in the union even though Lucas is opposed to the guild.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 19, 2006, 07:43:23 PM
I believe Indy is financed by Lucas Film, as well.  Spielberg just has very different viewpoints on the union than Lucas.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 19, 2006, 07:47:09 PM
I believe Indy is financed by Lucas Film, as well.  Spielberg just has very different viewpoints on the union than Lucas.
Yeah. It is weird. Spielberg couldn't direct ROTJ because of the guild yet he could do Jones which is a Lucas owned creation as well. Weird.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2006, 11:30:17 PM
Clerks II is a funny comedy.  The ending sucks and it's pretty hammy, though not nearly as awful as say, the shitty ending to Chasing Amy.  That said the movie is hilarious.

Clerks, the original, is an American cultural milestone in film.  Anyone that has worked retail can relate to the movie at a deeper level than Clerks II.  It's a definite Everyman movie. Clerks II is about the characters, Clerks is about the experience.  Nearly everyone has been in a situation from Clerks, whereas Clerks II is about the characters that have stayed in such jobs far longer than people typically have the ambition to.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2006, 11:34:22 PM
Technically wouldn't the star wars prequels be indie films since Lucas funds them himself 100%? (Fox just distributes the films)

The concept of an independent movie really doesn't mean much when it's applied to most pre-80s movies.  I don't think it meant much of anything before budgets flew out of control in the late 70s and early 80s. 

And frankly, Star Wars cost a lot more than any lower budget movies happening around its time.  Lucas had a big hit under his belt with American Grafitti, and he had the vocal and financial support of industry heavies.  He could do what he wanted to a degree, although nobody would give him the total bank on a risky scifi venture.

Anyway, more specifically, the "indie movie" didn't mean much until Richard Linklater made Slacker.  That's when it became a buzzword.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2006, 11:36:13 PM
Technically wouldn't the star wars prequels be indie films since Lucas funds them himself 100%? (Fox just distributes the films)

The concept of an independent movie really doesn't mean much when it's applied to most pre-80s movies.  I don't think it meant much of anything before budgets flew out of control in the late 70s and early 80s. 

And frankly, Star Wars cost a lot more than any lower budget movies happening around its time.  Lucas had a big hit under his belt with American Grafitti, and he had the vocal and financial support of industry heavies.  He could do what he wanted to a degree, although nobody would give him the total bank on a risky scifi venture.

Anyway, more specifically, the "indie movie" didn't mean much until Richard Linklater made Slacker.  That's when it became a buzzword.

I think you need to re-read that post you quoted again.  :D
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2006, 11:40:53 PM
Technically wouldn't the star wars prequels be indie films since Lucas funds them himself 100%? (Fox just distributes the films)

The concept of an independent movie really doesn't mean much when it's applied to most pre-80s movies.  I don't think it meant much of anything before budgets flew out of control in the late 70s and early 80s. 

And frankly, Star Wars cost a lot more than any lower budget movies happening around its time.  Lucas had a big hit under his belt with American Grafitti, and he had the vocal and financial support of industry heavies.  He could do what he wanted to a degree, although nobody would give him the total bank on a risky scifi venture.

Anyway, more specifically, the "indie movie" didn't mean much until Richard Linklater made Slacker.  That's when it became a buzzword.

I think you need to re-read that post you quoted again.  :D

I don't think I do.  Star Wars was technically an independent movie, but it cost a shitload more than most "indie" movies of the day, potentially because he had backing from big names and he was coming off of a hit movie.

What do I need to reread, you old queen?

EDIT:  Oh, fuck.  Well cross out prequels from his post :p
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Diablos on December 19, 2006, 11:42:50 PM
Are you back here with me in PA, White Man?  :heart
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2006, 11:45:21 PM
Yes and I wish I were dead.  And Rolling Rock tastes like fucking shit now.  Well, more than before.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Diablos on December 19, 2006, 11:55:21 PM
Yes and I wish I were dead.

 :(

You're not comforted by the fact that you're probably no more than 3-4 hours away from Diablos?  :-*

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Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: DJ_Tet on December 20, 2006, 12:25:49 AM
The amazing thing is that I actually thought about this for a bit.  When I saw the previews to Clerks II I was disgusted.  It ended up being my favorite movie this summer, I really liked the heart.  In the end, I prefer II, and that is a testament to that movie as I was really against the idea.  Clerks was special and didn't deserve to be messed with.  Thank God I'm not in charge of the characters.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Takuan on December 20, 2006, 01:46:38 AM
Clerks 2 was hilarious.

Clerks didn't interest me much, except for the German dude. He was pretty funny.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 20, 2006, 02:53:35 AM
MALLRATS > Clerks II > Clerks
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 20, 2006, 02:59:05 AM
Clerks II loses to mallrats cause of its sappy ending lol. Clerks 2 IS better than the original tho. You can go for all that indie cred crap, but the sequel is just far more entertaining.

People who didnt work much customer service might get off on watching the original more than once, but there's only so many jokes about customers you can do and people saying fuck and rants about customers before your realize you've heard it all at your own jobs in the past.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: TVC15 on December 20, 2006, 03:09:20 AM
People who didnt work much customer service might get off on watching the original more than once, but there's only so many jokes about customers you can do and people saying fuck and rants about customers before your realize you've heard it all at your own jobs in the past.

This is exactly why I think the first movie is so much better.  So many more people can relate to it than the sequel.  You have heard it all.  Your friends probably have, too.  Clerks says it, and you realize the whole world has heard it before.  It's a tragicomedy!
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 20, 2006, 03:13:15 AM
People who didnt work much customer service might get off on watching the original more than once, but there's only so many jokes about customers you can do and people saying fuck and rants about customers before your realize you've heard it all at your own jobs in the past.

This is exactly why I think the first movie is so much better.  So many more people can relate to it than the sequel.  You have heard it all.  Your friends probably have, too.  Clerks says it, and you realize the whole world has heard it before.  It's a tragicomedy!

Agreed with both of you.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 20, 2006, 07:00:56 AM
I've never gotten the Mallrats love. :-[
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Cheebs on December 20, 2006, 09:13:27 AM
I've never gotten the Mallrats love. :-[
Classic early-90's nostalgia. The film is full of it. It's one of those movies that make you feel warm and fuzzy in a odd way about that time.

Plus it is a very cute teen comedy.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 20, 2006, 10:17:09 AM
I dunno, im one of those ex-retail guys that DOESNT wanna relive the tragic comedy.
Title: Re: Which Clerks film is superior?
Post by: Thee Reverend Gary Davis on December 20, 2006, 02:27:30 PM
I hate clerks 2. Not seen the first one.