what brought this on?
And I'm sorry. If you're Hispanic, don't speak a word of English, and are sitting in front of Home Depot waiting to jump in the back of a pickup; YOU LOOK LIKE AN ILLEGAL.
And I'm sorry. If you're Hispanic, don't speak a word of English, and are sitting in front of Home Depot waiting to jump in the back of a pickup; YOU LOOK LIKE AN ILLEGAL.
Well yea, obviously in that perfect example of course it would make sense for police to investigate. The problem is that the law gives police the right to treat all Hispanics with the same suspicion, and that's not right.
In Quebec, you can't get social services or work for the government with a Niqab. I think that's pretty awesome.
Phoenix Mayor: City May Sue AZ Over Immigration Law (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/phoenix-mayor-city-may-sue-az-over-immigration-law.php)
Considering this, I'm gonna need to see some hard evidence before I accept that 1) Phoenix has been enforcing a near-identical policy and 2) it's working out super awesome for them.
Luis? :o
I never would have guessed. I guess he kept his poncho and bag of beans hidden in his locker.
Still, if this law was around in Texas 10 years ago, we wouldn't have this pesky Luis problem.
38,000 arrests must = a whole lotta' money just to process these people
uh... link or proof? According to my CHL class you're only allowed to shoot someone if you're defending your property after dark or are in real danger from them. And even then, you better have God on your side to prove you were in such danger.Luis? :o
I never would have guessed. I guess he kept his poncho and bag of beans hidden in his locker.
Still, if this law was around in Texas 10 years ago, we wouldn't have this pesky Luis problem.
Texas is worse actually, but again it doesn't get national attention. If you own land near the border and you see people crossing into your land Texas allows you to shoot them.
Sounds like Manabyte's been listening to michael savage and glenn beck.
I've been requesting mupepe's Icon papers over in our forum for days. No luck.
I was wondering, if this law spreads throughout several states, doesn't that just get us one step closer to national ID cards?
Uhh... Uhh.. It's in my car, mang!Sounds like Manabyte's been listening to michael savage and glenn beck.
Excuse me sir, can I see your birth certificate?
How is your SSN not already a defacto National ID card - unless maybe there's a push to make them photo ID'sI'm pretty sure it's because that using the current system of SSN's, it's pretty worthless.
But supporters of the law, set to take effect in late July or August, say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Arizona is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.
The controversial Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio says his department has arrested some 38,000 illegal immigrants in the past three years and the new law will give him the tools to step up his efforts to combat the flood coming across Arizona's border with Mexico.
do you know what happens when you file your taxes with another person's SSN?spoiler (click to show/hide)You get your tax refund and a letter saying that your name and SSN don't match and that if it's not fixed that your SSI contributions aren't going to be counted toward you when you're old and wrinkly! Oooh, truly frightening.[close]
The new law will allow it to be state wide. Right now he only has jurisdiction within his county.
what's better in NY?
PHOENIX (AP) - Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.
Arizona's sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won't take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state's underground economy.
"Nobody wants to pick us up," Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.
Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.
Supporters of the law hope it creates jobs for thousands of Americans.
"We want to drive day labor away," says Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, one of the law's sponsors.
An estimated 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years as it cracked down on illegal immigration and its economy was especially hard hit by the Great Recession. A Department of Homeland Security report on illegal immigrants estimates Arizona's illegal immigrant population peaked in 2008 at 560,000, and a year later dipped to 460,000.
The law's supporters hope the departure of illegal immigrants will help dismantle part of the underground economy here and create jobs for thousands of legal residents in a state with a 9.6 percent unemployment rate.
Kavanagh says day labor is generally off the books, and that deprives the state of much-needed tax dollars. "We'll never eliminate it, just like laws against street prostitution," he says. "But we can greatly reduce the prevalence."
Day laborers do jobs including construction, landscaping and household work for cash paid under the table. Those jobs have been harder to find since the housing industry collapsed here several years ago.
Standing near potted trees and bushes for sale at a Home Depot in east Phoenix, Diaz, 35, says he may follow three families in his neighborhood who moved to New Mexico because of the law. He says a friend is finding plenty of work in Dallas.
Diaz says he has too much to lose by staying - he's supporting a wife and infant son back home in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, across the border from El Paso, Texas.
"They depend on me to survive," he says. "I'm not going to wait for police to come and arrest me."
Jose Armenta, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico's western coast, is already planning to move to Utah within the next 20 days because of a combination of the economy and the new law.
"A lot of people drive by," he says as he watched nearby cars speeding past, "and they yell, 'Hey, go back to Mexico!'"
Analysts say it's too soon to tell what lasting effects the law will have on the state's underground work force, which also includes baby sitters, maids and cooks.
A study of immigrants in Arizona published in 2008 found that non-citizens, mostly in the country illegally, held an estimated 280,000 full-time jobs. The study by researcher Judith Gans at the University of Arizona examined 2004 data, finding that they contributed about 8 percent of the state's economic output, or $29 billion.
Losing hundreds of thousands of unskilled laborers wouldn't hurt the state's economy in the short term, but it could limit the economy's ability to grow once it recovers, says Marshall Vest, director of the Economic and Business Research Center at the University of Arizona's Eller College of Management.
Legal workers who are willing to take any available job now will become more choosy if the unemployment rate falls back to low levels seen before the recession hit.
"That's really the question, as to whether the existing population is willing to work those (low-level) jobs," Vest says. "I think economics provides the answer. If job openings have no applicants, then businesses need to address that by raising the offered wage."
Some illegal immigrants, however, intended to stick around.
Natalia Garcia, 35, from Mexico City, says she and her husband - a day laborer - will stay so their daughters - both born in the U.S. - can get a good education and learn English. The couple have been living in Arizona illegally for the last 10 years.
"Mexico doesn't have a lot of opportunities," she says. "Here, we work honestly, and we have a better life."
Olga Sanchez, 32, from southern Mexico, lives in Phoenix illegally with her two brothers, who are 21 and 17. While the youngest boy is in high school, all three work and send money back home to their parents.
"This law is very bad for us," says Sanchez, who gets about $250 a week cleaning three houses. "I'm afraid of what's going to happen."
She says the family is going to wait and see if the law takes effect and what the fallout will be before deciding whether to leave. The law is certain to be challenged in court; Phoenix, Tucson and Flagstaff already are considering lawsuits.
"All I ask from God is a miracle for us to stay here and work," she says.
Phoenix Mayor: City May Sue AZ Over Immigration Law (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/phoenix-mayor-city-may-sue-az-over-immigration-law.php)
Considering this, I'm gonna need to see some hard evidence before I accept that 1) Phoenix has been enforcing a near-identical policy and 2) it's working out super awesome for them.
Phoenix is part of Maricopa County and their Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been doing this for YEARS with or without permission. So are they now going to boot him out of the state now that people found out about it and are pissed off at Arizona?
In a just world this would be the moment that people realized the Tea Party movement had nothing to do with the constitution and everything to do with retreading all the same conservative bs we've heard for years. You can't be super concerned with the constitution and not have issues with this law, it's fucking impossible.
But of course the media will skip that in favor of shots of old men in tri-cornered hats.
I forgot to bring this up in the other thread, but I'm pretty sure Manabyte posted that weird, pause-y political ad as something he seriously endorsed.:lol
The new law will allow it to be state wide. Right now he only has jurisdiction within his county.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/26/national/main6434031.shtmlQuoteBut supporters of the law, set to take effect in late July or August, say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Arizona is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.
The controversial Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio says his department has arrested some 38,000 illegal immigrants in the past three years and the new law will give him the tools to step up his efforts to combat the flood coming across Arizona's border with Mexico.
How many tweets were sourced for that? :smug
Also, "new law" Manabyte, "new law" will "give him the tools", it fucking says it right there. This isn't simply a statewide expansion of an existing Phoenix law.
The new law will allow it to be state wide. Right now he only has jurisdiction within his county.