SWAT team breaks into home, fires seven rounds at family's pit bull and corgi (?!) as a seven-year-old looks on.
They found a "small amount" of marijuana, enough for a misdemeanor charge. The parents were then charged with child endangerment.
So smoking pot = "child endangerment." Storming a home with guns, then firing bullets into the family pets as a child looks on = necessary police procedures to ensure everyone's safety.
Just so we're clear.
you see the other dog walking past them. :lol
you see the other dog walking past them. :lol
Wait, what? :lol
Looks like they killed the pitbull, though. If I was a cop entering a guy's house that was suspected as a major distributor, I probably wouldn't want to deal with the pitbull either.
If he was suspected of being a major distributor, then at least wait until the kid is gone or something... I don't know. They had to have been watching the house to suspect the guy and get a warrant.. they had to know that kid was in there. No amount of therapy is going to fix that kid. The police are always going to be those guys that killed his best friend.
Was he suspected of being a major distributor? As far as I could tell, he just had some weed on him. If that's how police are supposed to proceed on any sort of possession charge, then keep that shit as far from me as possible.
If he was suspected of being a major distributor, then at least wait until the kid is gone or something... I don't know. They had to have been watching the house to suspect the guy and get a warrant.. they had to know that kid was in there. No amount of therapy is going to fix that kid. The police are always going to be those guys that killed his best friend.
When I was growing up, my best friend got killed on a regular basis by cars.
Was he suspected of being a major distributor? As far as I could tell, he just had some weed on him. If that's how police are supposed to proceed on any sort of possession charge, then keep that shit as far from me as possible.
If he was suspected of being a major distributor, then at least wait until the kid is gone or something... I don't know. They had to have been watching the house to suspect the guy and get a warrant.. they had to know that kid was in there. No amount of therapy is going to fix that kid. The police are always going to be those guys that killed his best friend. Or, if he liked the other dog better, his second best friend. Whatever. Still.
If he was suspected of being a major distributor, then at least wait until the kid is gone or something... I don't know. They had to have been watching the house to suspect the guy and get a warrant.. they had to know that kid was in there. No amount of therapy is going to fix that kid. The police are always going to be those guys that killed his best friend.
When I was growing up, my best friend got killed on a regular basis by cars.
You didn't keep them on a leash or in a fenced in area or inside? That's your own neglect.
I still think a dog being hit by a car and getting shot by the police are two different things, psychologically.
Man, I nominate this thread for thread of unintentional hilarity of 2010.
They wouldn't have sent the SWAT team unless they thought he was a distributor and he had guns, both facts are expounded upon in the article.
Drug distributors traditionally have a history with firearms, which is why the SWAT team is used when executing such warrants, [police spokeswoman Officer Jessie Haden] said.
They wouldn't have sent the SWAT team unless they thought he was a distributor and he had guns, both facts are expounded upon in the article.
Don't shit where you eat, words to live by. Low end pot dealers are so fucking lazy and unambitious that that dealing from their own place of residents is an acceptable risk. Make some easy monies, or stay in and watch Law and Order? How' bout' both? :derpLaw and Order? Fuck that. Stay home. Smoke some kill and watch Boomerang Flinstones and Jetsons re-runs, my nig.
Wow, I finally read the article. I used to work with the guy who wrote it. A few years ago police raids really became his raison d'être as a writer.
I don't understand why ever small town in America needs a SWAT team. The militarization of police forces around the country is really out of control.
Highlight of this thread is Willco trying to spin things to justify the insanely excessive force the SWAT team used. :lol
Green Shinobi won. :'(
Wow, I finally read the article. I used to work with the guy who wrote it. A few years ago police raids really became his raison d'être as a writer.
I don't understand why ever small town in America needs a SWAT team. The militarization of police forces around the country is really out of control.
Looks like a classic arms race to me.
I don't know if there was some sort of implied pun here or something but it really is.
Highlight of this thread is Willco trying to spin things to justify the insanely excessive force the SWAT team used. :lol
Highlight of this thread is Willco trying to spin things to justify the insanely excessive force the SWAT team used. :lol
Again, I don't see how standard warrant execution by a SWAT team when busting in the house of a suspected drug dealer is excessive. Either their intel was wrong or the guy moved the stuff out of the house by then.
You're working off a false premise. Story doesn't even begin to imply either of the two possibilities you're thinking of are true.
You're working off a false premise. Story doesn't even begin to imply either of the two possibilities you're thinking of are true.
Well I highly doubt that even a single officer would have been sent to the guy's house if they just believed he was just a private user.
But the holocaust... :fbm
who gives a fuck about the dog? Fuck the dog......people walk them by my house all the time and they bark and growl and want to attack you...fuck em. Especially if the cops think the bastard is going to go for their balls.
Maybe Boogie can provide insight as to what the procedure is when a 7 year old kid is in the house and they serve a warrant like this. This is my problem with the story...and the shooting.
You're working off a false premise. Story doesn't even begin to imply either of the two possibilities you're thinking of are true.
Police discovered a grinder, a pipe and a small amount of marijuana, Haden said. Because the SWAT team acts on the most updated information available, the team wanted to enter the house before marijuana believed to be at the location could be distributed, she said.
“If you let too much time go by, then the drugs are not there,” she said.
Drug distributors traditionally have a history with firearms, which is why the SWAT team is used when executing such warrants, Haden said.
Investigators believed Whitworth was in possession of a large amount of marijuana and was considered a distributor, Deputy Chief Tom Dresner said in February.
I think the fact that they thought he was a distributor - which "traditionally have a history with firearms" - is reason enough to assume that the man was armed. I don't get how you don't see that.
They wouldn't have sent the SWAT team unless they thought he was a distributor and he had guns, both facts are expounded upon in the article.
That doesn't reduce the rationale behind using such force.
Highlight of this thread is Willco trying to spin things to justify the insanely excessive force the SWAT team used. :lol
Green Shinobi won. :'(
Am i missing something , when did this raid happen?
Because... erm...Quote“If you let too much time go by, then the drugs are not there,” she said.QuoteInvestigators believed Whitworth was in possession of a large amount of marijuana and was considered a distributor, Deputy Chief Tom Dresner said in February.
Highlight of this thread is Willco trying to spin things to justify the insanely excessive force the SWAT team used. :lol
Green Shinobi won. :'(
shooting a pitbull on a drug raid is "insanely excessive" now? (hint: it's not and you're wrong)
Smh at the over the top rhetoric this incident is producing. Yes, there was obviously a screwup in this situation, but the vitriol it's created here and in the GAF thread is just stupid.
Unfortunately I'm out of town on iPhone-only Internet access, so I can't spend the time in a drawn-out argument right now.
You've defended far-out insane cases of police brutality before, but you don't have much of a leg to stand on this time, especially considering you're now defending police shooting the shit out of a house with a 7-year-old kid in it.:lol what did they do a drive-by to clear it out? The reality is that when a police officer does a drug bust and he sees a pit bull, he assumes it's a weapon. It's not like they have the time to do a litmus test to see how temperamental the dog is.
Hint: You may be biased in this case.
You've defended far-out insane cases of police brutality before,
but you don't have much of a leg to stand on this time, especially considering you're now defending police shooting the shit out of a house with a 7-year-old kid in it.
Hint: You may be biased in this case.
The state responding to suspicion of victimless crime with needless violence and destruction of property.
Shock.
:lol what did they do a drive-by to clear it out? The reality is that when a police officer does a drug bust and he sees a pit bull, he assumes it's a weapon. It's not like they have the time to do a litmus test to see how temperamental the dog is.
I will say that we once did a search warrant that had a pitbull inside. It was completely chill and happy to see us though. Scared the shit out of the entry team though. :lol
That said, in that case, the 20-year old punk kid inside was surprised, and seemingly disappointed, that it didn't attack our officers though.
The only possible thing that they could have tried to do better on this raid was trying to do it when the child wasn't home but it's likely that they didn't wan to risk losing their window and have the drugs moved out of the house (which is what obviously happened) or flushed.
:lol what did they do a drive-by to clear it out? The reality is that when a police officer does a drug bust and he sees a pit bull, he assumes it's a weapon. It's not like they have the time to do a litmus test to see how temperamental the dog is.
I will say that we once did a search warrant that had a pitbull inside. It was completely chill and happy to see us though. Scared the shit out of the entry team though. :lol
That said, in that case, the 20-year old punk kid inside was surprised, and seemingly disappointed, that it didn't attack our officers though.
Hang it up, Ichi, when am nintenho gets it right and is the voice of reason, it's time to bow out. :lol
More like, when you're in agreement with nintenho, you know you've finally blown a gasket. :lol
You're buying the line just like the Police want you to. Of course they're going to say that after this whole debacle. What do you want them to say? "We busted in armed and ready even though we didn't really have any evidence to suggest this guy was armed."
Maybe Boogie can provide insight as to what the procedure is when a 7 year old kid is in the house and they serve a warrant like this. This is my problem with the story...and the shooting.
Why was there even a SWAT team? This is Columbia, Missouri, not Los Angeles. If he even was a drug dealer, it's obvious he isn't some violent multi-national kingpin, it's just a guy living in a small, quiet college town selling some dope. If you want to arrest the guy, do you really need a paramilitary force? Why not just knock on the door and say, "Hey, buddy, you're arrested. My partner is at the back door so don't try running"?
Since they have the gear and the training, they feel like they should get to use it. Why not on this guy? They're just small-town cops who want to feel like movie stars.
Hey, that's pretty good, since that's the exact same thing I zeroed in on.
I just do not see how A PLANT that can make me go from "ready and capable to commit murder" rage to complete relaxation is illegal.
This guy is The Bore:Actually, that's how most of the bore dreams about talking to cops, but in reality, it's the same as for the rest of humanity:
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I've been stopped a few times and each time I've been as nice and polite and humanly possible. Even in cases where the cop was being a complete asshole.
Most recent encounter was when I was heading to the bank to do a drop for my dad's practice; I had a bunch of checks/money in a zip up bag on the passenger seat when I got pulled over. I wasn't speeding, tail lights weren't off etc. I was simply driving my dad's PT Cruiser, and I didn't even have the top down. He asked what was in the bag, I showed him/told him where I was going/showed registration/etc. He wasn't acting like an ass, although I was annoyed that I got pulled over for no justifiable reason.
Most cops just do their job. If you let them do it, you'll be fine. If you fuck around with them, you get in trouble. Those aren't hard rules to live by
How have cops been assholes to you?
How have cops been assholes to you?
I hate cops for the same reason foreigners hate the US military.
Why was there even a SWAT team? This is Columbia, Missouri, not Los Angeles. If he even was a drug dealer, it's obvious he isn't some violent multi-national kingpin, it's just a guy living in a small, quiet college town selling some dope. If you want to arrest the guy, do you really need a paramilitary force? Why not just knock on the door and say, "Hey, buddy, you're arrested. My partner is at the back door so don't try running"?
The reason they did it at night and they shot the dog is because they are a small town with no need of a SWAT team that has one. Since they have the gear and the training, they feel like they should get to use it. Why not on this guy? They're just small-town cops who want to feel like movie stars.
I've been stopped a few times and each time I've been as nice and polite and humanly possible. Even in cases where the cop was being a complete asshole.
Most recent encounter was when I was heading to the bank to do a drop for my dad's practice; I had a bunch of checks/money in a zip up bag on the passenger seat when I got pulled over. I wasn't speeding, tail lights weren't off etc. I was simply driving my dad's PT Cruiser, and I didn't even have the top down. He asked what was in the bag, I showed him/told him where I was going/showed registration/etc. He wasn't acting like an ass, although I was annoyed that I got pulled over for no justifiable reason.
Most cops just do their job. If you let them do it, you'll be fine. If you fuck around with them, you get in trouble. Those aren't hard rules to live by
I've been stopped a few times and each time I've been as nice and polite and humanly possible. Even in cases where the cop was being a complete asshole.
Most recent encounter was when I was heading to the bank to do a drop for my dad's practice; I had a bunch of checks/money in a zip up bag on the passenger seat when I got pulled over. I wasn't speeding, tail lights weren't off etc. I was simply driving my dad's PT Cruiser, and I didn't even have the top down. He asked what was in the bag, I showed him/told him where I was going/showed registration/etc. He wasn't acting like an ass, although I was annoyed that I got pulled over for no justifiable reason.
Most cops just do their job. If you let them do it, you'll be fine. If you fuck around with them, you get in trouble. Those aren't hard rules to live by
One time I was pulled over because the cop wanted to remind me I have a crack in my car window. Thanks for the reminder, dick!
I've been stopped a few times and each time I've been as nice and polite and humanly possible. Even in cases where the cop was being a complete asshole.
Most recent encounter was when I was heading to the bank to do a drop for my dad's practice; I had a bunch of checks/money in a zip up bag on the passenger seat when I got pulled over. I wasn't speeding, tail lights weren't off etc. I was simply driving my dad's PT Cruiser, and I didn't even have the top down. He asked what was in the bag, I showed him/told him where I was going/showed registration/etc. He wasn't acting like an ass, although I was annoyed that I got pulled over for no justifiable reason.
Most cops just do their job. If you let them do it, you'll be fine. If you fuck around with them, you get in trouble. Those aren't hard rules to live by
One time I was pulled over because the cop wanted to remind me I have a crack in my car window. Thanks for the reminder, dick!
It shouldn't be Boogie's job to come up with a rebuttal every time some cop does a douche bag thing.
Unfortunately police are state-supported and attract assholes. It's not like you can just shop elsewhere.
It shouldn't be Boogie's job to come up with a rebuttal every time some cop does a douche bag thing.
And yet he's taken on that task both here and on GAF, with visible zeal and pleasure. :lol
I think they both attract assholes because of the relatively easily obtained power they give people. The difference is the US Army doesn't patrol my neighborhood streets.
It shouldn't be Boogie's job to come up with a rebuttal every time some cop does a douche bag thing.
And yet he's taken on that task both here and on GAF, with visible zeal and pleasure. :lol
Dude, shut the fuck up. You impugned my character ("You've defended far-out insane cases of police brutality before"), then you just ignore a post calling you on it and that explains and articulates my position, preferring instead to post inane and vapid one-liners afterwards.
You say "Defend these cops next, Boogie. :bow", as if it's all a fucking game, like when I put on the "POLICE" jersey I'm obligated to defend every fucking police action like it's politics and I'm some slack-jawed Republican who must protect everything done by anyone affiliated with my party.
And you say that, in the face of the previous page, where I clearly lay out the case for rationally roasting the actions of police. You won't see me "defend those cops" because they don't deserve to be defended, as that incident is quite clear excessive force, with racial slurs on top of it to boot.
So either man up and argue, debate, and discuss intelligently, or shut the fuck up you vacuous twat.
as for "taking up that task", the fact is, if I don't, no one will. See any other police officers willing to take the time to engage in protracted discussion about police procedures, guidelines, and actions? And I'm not going to concede the debate to those who argue out of ignorance. I'm just trying to explain why police do the things we do, and why it may be justified, even if it doesn't appear obvious to the layman.
Boogie 'roiding again. :lol
You act like this isn't some fucking GAME, like when I put on a jacket that says EVILBORE POSTER I'm obligated to take the Internets seriously like I'm some slack-jawed nerdlinger who must post paragraphs of copious bullshit just so people will respect mah authoritah.
You know what the worst part about you as a poster is, Boogie?
That you actually seem to think I care what you think about me.
Jesus, isn't there something in the TOS about trolling? Seriously.
Jesus, isn't there something in the TOS about trolling? Seriously.
If it were enforced, half the icons would be permabanned.
Yes, because this thread is a perfect example of exactly how you always post...when you're sober!
spoiler (click to show/hide)Actually, there's worse things about you, such as the fact that you've taken up the mantle of Evilbore's Police Force, cracking down on anybody who doesn't meet your approval as a worthwhile poster.[close]
Irrelevant tangents such as recycling old Green Shinobi trolls to imply that anyone who has my type of job must have low intelligence (hey, indirectly hitting the half-dozen other folks in the forum who have the same job as me)?
Doesn't English teaching in Asia require a degree, unlike the Royal Canadian Mounted Police? :teehee
Doesn't English teaching in Asia require a degree, unlike the Royal Canadian Mounted Police? :teehee
Doesn't English teaching in Asia require a degree, unlike the Royal Canadian Mounted Police? :teehee
I actually have a Master of Arts, unlike Boogie. 8)
Yes, I'm not wasting it debating issues with some cop on the internet, for example!
Yes, I'm not wasting it debating issues with some cop on the internet, for example!
No, clearly.
Instead you're wasting it by posting endlessly in a thread while avoiding debating issues on the internet. Clearly the superior choice.
I think it should be in the TOS that everyone should declare whether or not they're being serious about their arguments in a thread, or just being facetious, especially since clearly some are harder to read than others.
This would stop people from wasting their time trying to have an actual discussion about the subject matter. I've been there a few times, and poor boogie just wrote a two-page argument for nothing.
And no, I'm not white knighting; Boogie doesn't need one ::)
you're not all that different from Green Shinobi when it comes down to it!
I think it should be in the TOS that everyone should declare whether or not they're being serious about their arguments in a thread, or just being facetious, especially since clearly some are harder to read than others.
I think it should be in the TOS that everyone should declare whether or not they're being serious about their arguments in a thread, or just being facetious, especially since clearly some are harder to read than others.
i am always face-tits or whatever
Some people don't like cops and use every negative cop story to reinforce that opinion. Arguing with them from your authoritative position as a police officer is the last thing that's going to change their mind. No shots but it sometimes seems like you are obsessed with these internet scuffles and angered when people think they can possibly hold a position you disagree with; not the ridiculous opinions, but like when someone is making a "serious" argument you happen to disagree with. Lets chill dawgs
To be honest I'm growing sick of the "chill, don't take it seriously, this is just the internet" retort. I don't know about other members but I don't want ALL discussions to be reduced to one-liners and brain farts. I thought the whole point of posting real life news is to discuss these issues seriously and maturely, regardless of stupid thread titles.
Also, I don't know how any of you find this situation hard to understand, it's been explained several times; when there's a bunch of people talking out of their asses about a certain subject while there's expert on that matter around, you can't possibly fault him for offering passionate arguments, can you? especially if the counter arguments are extremely ignorant from his perspective.
The exact same thing would happen if there was a doctor, a financial advisor, or a political pundit on this board.
I really hate preaching or state the obvious, I promised I'd stop doing it, but whatever. G'day.
I would take Jinfash's post more seriously except I know that if the shoe were on the other foot, he would reverse his position immediately and tell us all to "lighten up." Dude is the very definition of "suckup." :lol
I would take Jinfash's post more seriously except I know that if the shoe were on the other foot, he would reverse his position immediately and tell us all to "lighten up." Dude is the very definition of "suckup." :lol
And thusly my point is proven! Gotta get with the times, Jin.
Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, Boogie's jurisdiction doesn't extend to patrolling Internet forums for posts he deems "annoying."
Ichi should be fined 200 dollars for his posts.
Anyhow I think it's pointless to continue my lecture/derailment. Toodles :-*
At some point Boogie, you have to
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Some people don't like cops and use every negative cop story to reinforce that opinion. Arguing with them from your authoritative position as a police officer is the last thing that's going to change their mind. No shots but it sometimes seems like you are obsessed with these internet scuffles and angered when people think they can possibly hold a position you disagree with; not the ridiculous opinions, but like when someone is making a "serious" argument you happen to disagree with. Lets chill dawgs
No matter what Boogie says, someone is going to disagree. This is the internet. My point is that at some point responding to EVERY vapid comment makes you look as obsessed as the other person.