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Title: Epic Mickey
Post by: SantaC on November 16, 2010, 12:35:59 PM

is this game suppose to be a good disney game, or is it yet another victim of the hype?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2010, 12:44:47 PM

Flip a coin.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Diunx on November 16, 2010, 03:24:40 PM

If you fall for wiitards hype you got no one to blame but yourself.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 16, 2010, 03:40:20 PM

getting my hands on it in a few hours

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 16, 2010, 03:40:32 PM

The game runs like crap, I can tell that much. Every bit of pr I've seen has copious slowdown.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on November 16, 2010, 03:59:39 PM

That's because it's trying to process epic graphics.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: ManaByte on November 16, 2010, 04:53:58 PM

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on November 16, 2010, 03:40:32 PM

The game runs like crap, I can tell that much. Every bit of pr I've seen has copious slowdown.

The E3 demo ran smooth.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 16, 2010, 05:42:18 PM

Came home to find this and the new Ghost Recon Wii (it is a light gun game). Good day.

Will post impressions tonite for both

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2010, 06:48:39 PM

I really appreciate that you play Wii games so I don't have to

demi :heartbeat

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 16, 2010, 06:50:33 PM

rofl. I put maybe 40 minutes into a Wii game and never touch it again. If those 40 minutes dont grab me, then why bother. I'll waste my time on useless 360 games instead.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2010, 07:31:42 PM

I'm pretty pumped for this.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 16, 2010, 07:32:49 PM

Epic Mickey is out?!

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 16, 2010, 09:02:09 PM

Posted Ghost Recon impressions in playing thread. tldr: Very good attempt at Ghost Recon on Wii

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 16, 2010, 09:28:51 PM

:rofl

Epic Mickey is the most homosexual game ever

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 16, 2010, 09:38:02 PM

This is Epic Mickey personified

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdAIt4MgnHc

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: cool breeze on November 16, 2010, 09:38:04 PM

can't wait to play this at the end of the month :hyper

The game looks kinda bad at face value but when I read about it, the game seems like it should be pretty good. But it is the Wii...

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2010, 10:18:51 PM

Quote from: demi on November 16, 2010, 09:28:51 PM

:rofl

Epic Mickey is the most homosexual game ever

Evilbore GOTY confirmed.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: cool breeze on November 16, 2010, 10:29:54 PM

according to gaf, donkey kong was also leaked early

need impressions of that from someone who also didn't care for the old rare games

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 16, 2010, 10:33:34 PM

DK might be leaked but its not LEAKED

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 17, 2010, 06:14:24 AM

going to try this now

expect wall of text in around 4-6 hours

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 17, 2010, 01:05:01 PM

okay! i gave it a fair spin for some first impressions....

i'm not really sure what to think,the game pretty much starts in full tutorial mode

you jump with A (and double jump by pressing A twice)
waggling let you do a spin attack (suspiciously similiar to mario galaxy)
you control the camera with the digital buttons (it doesn't bother me much but i pretty much expect at least 2 reviews complaining about bad camera simply because of this)

pointing at the screen and pressing B or Z let you shoots paint or thinner... paint makes platform appear while thinner make platform disappear,this would have been a nice concept but you can only control certain platform so in the end it's more or less a "PRESS B TO CONTINUE" gimmick,for example a wall blocks your way but you can delete it with thinner! you have to cross a gap but you can make a platform with paint! rubble blocks your way but you can make it fall below by deleting the platform they stand on with thinner and then make it appear again with paint! you get the idea...

you get tutorialed by a little gremlin named gus (apparently related to this book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gremlins)) and he's pretty much what tvtropes calls an exposition fairy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExpositionFairy?from=Main.NinjaButterfly) and oh boy it takes quite a while for him to shut up... i don't think i'm exagerating by saying he told me that waggling makes me spin at least in 4 different occasion,luckily he settles down after the first tutorialish level

the problem i have with the game is that... well for being a disney related game they sure fumbled the first bit,the only thing you get to see for the first part are pipe's,sluggage and cogs,it doesn't feel like "ruined disney world" it feels like "sewer level" actualy a fucked up sewer level because even then you get to see some theme park attraction,then you climb a mini japanese pagoda (because apparently it's the asia part) and near the end you climb a mini eifell tower (because it's the europe part) the music also sounds very sewerish

mmm... what else,hidden around the game there are pins,these are divided into bronze,silver and gold... i'm not sure what they do,so far they had no use,some of them are gotten trough doing some side-quest (for example when you reach the theme park bit,you can repair the attraction and doing so reward you with a gold pin) and other are just hidden in the level,breaking stuff around also gives you money which you can use to buy stuff

there also seems to be a morality system tough i don't really understand the reasoning behind it other than "I AM WARREN SPECTOR,I SHALL HAVE A MORAL SYSTEM!" for example on the first level,there is a catapult which holds a captive gremlin and a chest,you can decide to save the gremlin and leave the chest alone or open the chest and ignore the gremlin,machine can be repaired trough the use of paint or broken trough the use of thinner,the first boss of the game can be befriended trough the use of paint or killed trough the use of thinner and at a certain point you can skip a fetch quest by being a jerk (i did this unintentionally tough this came after a loooooooooooooong series of incredibly boring fetch quest so can't say i feel particulary sorry about it)

the point is that what you do doesn't seems to have any sort of impact (well befriending the boss gave me a paint powerup instead of a thinner powerup but that's about it) so other than a surprise ending where mickey mouse ends up murdering everybody because he broke down a machine i don't see what's the point

so far i haven't said anything good about the game but well there is some stuff i like about it,first of all... the cutscene are drawed like a cartoon and are really well done tough sadly there is no voice acting (mickey mouse speak in mickey mousish sounds...) plus i really like the plot about "sad forgotten disney character" in fact if you like disney you should give them a watch on youtube if someone ever decide to put them up

the second thing i do like a lot is that as you transiction between the 3D levels,you enter inside projector and play really shorts 2D level based on a mickey mouse cartoon,these level are awesome and i'm not sure why they are so short (we are talking 2 minute affairs at best) when the 3D part of the game is so damn happy to drag around forever and ever,cartoon used so far include

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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the last 3D level i played improved a little

spoiler (click to show/hide)

it was a mountain with mickey mouse related junk scattered all around

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but the music still sucked a bit :-\

mmm... what else,what else... the game is ultra easy,mickey mouse takes 5 hits before biting the dust,health powerup are everywhere and dying just means starting from the last room you entered

the plot also involve HEARTSSSSSSSS so i can't wait for the tears of the kingdom hearts hater who wanted a matooooooooooooooor disney game :smug

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Bebpo on November 17, 2010, 03:33:28 PM

Wait, no voices? Even KH can afford voices!

sounds blahh

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Third on November 17, 2010, 04:25:33 PM

Thanks for the impressions, magus

Will try it out this weekend. Don't really expect much out of it.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on November 17, 2010, 06:28:30 PM

Hopefully this game will make huge bank for the holidays. Mickey + Wii + Christmas/Kwanzaa/Chanukah = profit?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 17, 2010, 06:29:49 PM

magus left out the part where all you do is cum on things, mickey sunds like a white chick getting black cock, and the menu screen launches globs of semen at your screen

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on November 17, 2010, 06:31:04 PM

So... Evilbore GOTY?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 17, 2010, 06:33:49 PM

If it were on a real console yes, until then it is a substandard attempt at a real game

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 17, 2010, 06:47:07 PM

i seems to have missed quite a lot of sidequests but i can still buy the reward in the shops.... if they had the insight to still let me get the reward,why they couldn't just let me repeat level and do sidequest at my own will?

also it seems that more often than not,when you are given the choice between playing nice and being a jerk the jerk way just solve what you need to do way much quicker and with lot less tedium... it's really suspicious

lastly

spoiler (click to show/hide)

the next level i played was just a generic futuristic looking place,again i'm not sure why the actual disney cartoon get used for 2 minute level while the rest of the game takes place in lame-o-landia

the second boss was a tron-ized version of pete,he throwed a tron disk and you had to spin to send it back to him... totaly different from the battle that a certain plumber had against a certain giant fire coconut spitting octopus!

seems the next boss is going to be a robo version of captain hook,that actualy sounds cool for once,tough i'm not sure why they picked him... i means the guy is a regular to KH so he's not really obscure...

oh and i got another classic 2D
Jungle Rhytm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjkFdSD8Vcg)

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Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 17, 2010, 06:49:01 PM

the jerk way in EVERY videogame is the quicker, less complicated option. It's Bioware 101.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 17, 2010, 07:01:01 PM

sounds cool, will play on PS3 Move

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 18, 2010, 01:25:42 PM

this gamespot video shows one of the many cutscene and one of the 2D levels if you want to get an idea about what i consider good.....

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0lckE2mqBM&feature=related[/youtube]

meanwhile you can see here the incredible dullness of the 3D part (and also the first 2D level starting from minute 11 to minute 13 :-\) i think the biggest problem i have with the game is that everybody seems so damn happy to send you on a fetch quest "FIND THE 4 MACHINE'S,PAINT THE 30 PLANTS,FIND THE 3 HIDDEN BUNNIES"

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMMREwL4Oag[/youtube]

anyway i got some extra 2D shorts these were

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Castaway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dDlRMJsya0)
The Whalers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVjWfH8lcGg)
Shanghaied (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB9e0rDS6E4)
Lonesome Ghosts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47jWsdlvWwU)

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game is also giving me some extra power,i can summon a tv to distract enemies and a watch to slow time but i haven't got much use out of them....

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Bebpo on November 18, 2010, 03:19:59 PM

So is the game like Deus Ex or like Deus Ex Invisible War?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 18, 2010, 03:25:15 PM

i don't know,i've never played deus ex

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Sho Nuff on November 18, 2010, 04:54:12 PM

I hope Mickey stops the guy taking off in the helicopter before the bomb goes off

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 18, 2010, 05:28:28 PM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on November 18, 2010, 04:54:12 PM

I hope Mickey stops the guy taking off in the helicopter before the bomb goes off

A bomb.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Third on November 19, 2010, 12:01:44 PM

The game is really boring so far and the controls are so bad. The aiming doesn't always work well, and shaking the wiimote for the spin attack sucks. It was much more fluid in SMG/2
And don't get me started on the camera. Worst camera this gen.
The 2D segments can get frustrating because of the shitty controls.

What a dud.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Third on November 20, 2010, 06:31:12 AM

Where are the reviews for this game?
Have been playing a lot more but I just can't see the appeal. And I love Disney and platformers.
Can't believe Dragon banned me twice over this shitgame.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 20, 2010, 09:22:58 AM

the game official release date is november 30 so i guess review will starts to appear next week
anyway i can't say i'm too happy with the game either... i think i'm starting to get close to the end since i'm missing only other 7 2D levels,the last one i got were.....

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Mad Doctor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywukfQqKX-g)
Haunted House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8LiPoIpxnk)

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Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 20, 2010, 03:50:20 PM

i finished the game... they didn't even bother putting up a final boss,what an underwhelming game :-\
the 3D stage gets a little better after a while but i would still recomend to skip it

in case anyone was wondering about the full list of 2D stages... apparently i might have missed one (i think it was a desperate attempt at pissing me off... it worked! >:() but here is otherwise the full list

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Mickey and the beanstalk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDAjO1FvJrc)
Steambot Willie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBgghnQF6E4)
Mickey Steamroller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFky8aHAOmw)
Plutopia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZqmYRh8f0)
Oh What a Knight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPtxPEG3ltc)
Trolley Troubles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LmDpMO2k0)
Great Guns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh6DzKb8NAk)
Thru The Mirror (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj-XLPstSPI)
Alpine Climbers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOuggX2qPAo)
Clock Cleaners (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fouOtd50gOU)
Mickey's mechanical man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULZGE93U0yE)
Jungle Rhytm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjkFdSD8Vcg)
The Castaway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dDlRMJsya0)
The Whalers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVjWfH8lcGg)
Shanghaied (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB9e0rDS6E4)
Lonesome Ghosts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47jWsdlvWwU)
The Mad Doctor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywukfQqKX-g)
Haunted House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8LiPoIpxnk)
Ye Olden Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbJjTiM2xdc)
Sleeping Beauty (no link for this one... i'm not sure why they decided to go for this,when every other stage is mickey mouse related)
Fantasia Sorcerer's Apprentice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XChxLGnIwCU)

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Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 20, 2010, 04:11:56 PM

I actually really like this. ninfag total, magus doesn't like any game he pirates

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 20, 2010, 04:12:31 PM

Got bored of it, play Assassins Creed instead

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2010, 04:18:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 20, 2010, 04:11:56 PM

magus doesn't like any game he pirates

Wait, you might be on to something.

magus, do you like any games besides Shiren?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 20, 2010, 04:30:23 PM

nope i hate everything

spoiler (click to show/hide)

that is on the wii :smug

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Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Diunx on November 20, 2010, 04:46:16 PM

I can see that.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 20, 2010, 05:24:59 PM

or DS

or, uh, any game he pirates

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 20, 2010, 05:31:26 PM

brandnew can't take the nintendo hate :smug

in all seriousness,i might be picky and a pirate but so what...? if you guys want to hear gushing love just head to any other board,you will be able to read how any game is sooooooooooooooooooo awesome by people that didn't even play the thing :-\

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 20, 2010, 05:36:24 PM

Magus is a nintendo fanboy who is trying too hard to fit in on a message board.
"Hurp durp I hate all these wii games but I always play them to completion. No really , I hate em, I'll nitpick it to death so you'll believe me!"

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Third on November 20, 2010, 05:55:30 PM

Magus' impressions always seem honest imo.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 20, 2010, 06:03:55 PM

He needs to play some real games on the trey nasty... you can pirate that so I would imaine it would be prime candidate #1

A lot of Wii games are pretty awful. That is why I only put at most 30 minutes into them.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 20, 2010, 06:06:22 PM

Quote from: Third on November 20, 2010, 05:55:30 PM

Magus' impressions always seem honest imo.

If he had no reservations about pirating there's nothing stopping him from playing other games on the PC. Gee, I wonder why he still plays predominantly ds and wii games? hmmmmm, no no, couldn't be a poser, never.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on November 20, 2010, 06:10:13 PM

PC gaming is pretty crappy too.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 20, 2010, 06:13:58 PM

Quote from: demi on November 20, 2010, 06:10:13 PM

PC gaming is pretty crappy too.

True. But you can hook it up to a tv, plug in an xbox controller, and pretend its as good as a REAL platform.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 20, 2010, 07:28:17 PM

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on November 20, 2010, 06:06:22 PM

Quote from: Third on November 20, 2010, 05:55:30 PM
Magus' impressions always seem honest imo.

If he had no reservations about pirating there's nothing stopping him from playing other games on the PC. Gee, I wonder why he still plays predominantly ds and wii games? hmmmmm, no no, couldn't be a poser, never.

my pc is really sucky so unless the game is low-spec (like king's bounty the legend or any game made in the ninties) there is no way for me to decently play it

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: dicklaurent on November 21, 2010, 04:14:15 AM

the camera is fucking terrible and annoying isn't it

edit: magus or anyone who's completed it. is the whole game completely linear stage after stage like the first couple of hours? always got the impression there would be more of a proper world feel to this and you'd jump into themed level zones from a hub and crap. only played the first boat ride levels and gnome crap. maybe two hours or something

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on November 21, 2010, 05:49:04 AM

after the first level you reach a hub world with several quest (that will disappear if you don't do them as soon as possible)

that hub world has only the entrance to the next level,you never get to pick,you have to do every sidequest related to that level before finishing it because you can't return to level (well you can return to the first bit of a level which usualy act as a mini-hub but that's about it) so if you don't do them on your first trip they are lost

after finishing a level you return to the hub world where you can get a new set of sidequest and that's about it...

i wouldn't lose a lot of sleep about the sidequest,a lot of them are incredibly tedious fetch quest or worse,scavenger hunt and the rewards are crap! it's just better to ignore them

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: dicklaurent on November 21, 2010, 02:22:37 PM

ah ok

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2010, 05:21:14 PM

I tried to watch some of a playthrough of this on youtube.

It looked incredibly boring.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 03, 2010, 05:41:01 PM

I think Warren got too caught up in trying to provide fanservice instead of building a good game first. Its really like the difference between Smash Brothers and Kingdom Hearts. The gameplay of Smash Brothers was in development long before they decided to use Nintendo characters to help it sell, and it turned out to be highly addictive and fun. Kingdom Hearts, on the other hand, was concerned with shoehorning final fantasy into disney and vice versa. Then they put a mediocre rpg/platformer/hackandslash on top of all that and it was a terrible game.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

I don't think Warren Spector knows how to manage a project anymore. Between this and the last Deus Ex, that's two turkeys in a row. He's a great speaker. And intellectually a smart guy, but his days of creating the next big thing seem to be over. He struggles to make competent games now.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Third on December 03, 2010, 05:52:43 PM

Wtf, Kingdom Hearts is an amazing game. Epic Mickey can't touch KH's awesomeness.

Epic Mickey's failure means no more Disney on the Wii. This automatically means that Kingdom Hearts 3 will be released for the HD consoles.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 03, 2010, 05:59:54 PM

Kingdom Hearts is for tween girls who don't know any better. I'm sure Epic Mickey sucks, but I doubt its as catastrophically bad as Kingdom Hearts.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: brawndolicious on December 03, 2010, 06:00:37 PM

wow the scores range from 6/10 to 5/5. it sounds like it's the type of game you could enjoy if you had any interest in it before it came out.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Positive Touch on December 03, 2010, 06:13:38 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

I don't think Warren Spector knows how to manage a project anymore. Between this and the last Deus Ex, that's two turkeys in a row. He's a great speaker. And intellectually a smart guy, but his days of creating the next big thing seem to be over. He struggles to make competent games now.

warren spector didn't make the shitty deus ex

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2010, 06:23:28 PM

Well he was studio director. And while that is a higher level management type job and not a day to day project manager, perhaps if he tasted the pie his designers were cooking while it was still cooking, he could have said it was under cooked and demanded a few changes.

Not to mention if he is constantly put forth as the face of a game, he damn well better make sure the game is okay.

I like Warren. You can't take away all the things he did in the past. I just don't think lately he has done much but they still interview him like he's making great stuff.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2010, 09:26:13 PM

Removed from the hype and the disappointment over shattered expectations, Invisible War is actually a pretty fun game, marred mainly by it's length [less than ten hours] and not being quite as deep as it should've been.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Purple Filth on December 04, 2010, 01:58:24 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2010, 05:21:14 PM

I tried to watch some of a playthrough of this on youtube.

It looked incredibly boring.

This right here. And it looked the same in those early previews too.

I had more enjoyment watching the first Kingdom hearts :-\

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on December 05, 2010, 07:31:37 AM

Quote from: Third on December 03, 2010, 05:52:43 PM

Wtf, Kingdom Hearts is an amazing game. Epic Mickey can't touch KH's awesomeness.

Epic Mickey's failure means no more Disney on the Wii. This automatically means that Kingdom Hearts 3 will be released for the HD consoles.

THE VOICE OF REASON.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:teehee

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Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2010, 04:48:25 PM

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bvwpVN7fI[/youtube]

:bow2

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2010, 07:53:20 PM

A 7 average for a kid-friendly platformer is pretty much a death sentence. If it was a city-builder or some kind of grand strategy game, I'd still be interested. But a platformer? Pass.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: pilonv1 on December 07, 2010, 08:10:16 PM

Just buy the HD versions next year :teehee

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on December 07, 2010, 08:15:17 PM

But will Disney even invest in that? I worry that their recently announced move away from high end games will prevent them from even porting this.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2010, 08:24:42 PM

Quote from: pilonv1 on December 07, 2010, 08:10:16 PM

Just buy the HD versions next year :teehee

They released Epic Mickey on the most kid-friendly console and the one with the biggest install base, and it still bombed. You think they're going to spend the money on a HD version?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: pilonv1 on December 07, 2010, 08:36:26 PM

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-12-07-spector-defends-epic-mickey-camera

Probably not, it's sent Spector insane.

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Epic Mickey director Warren Spector has defended the game's much-maligned camera, claiming getting the camera right in any game is the "hardest problem" developers face.

In an interview withMTV's Clutch blog, a full unedited version of which appeared on examiner.com, the Deus Ex creator said "First, there has never been a game that I couldn't break if you give it to me for 30 seconds. I mean, I will break a camera in any game ever made.

"And if I learned one thing on this project, it's an immense amount of respect for people who have been making third person action and platforming games. Third person camera is way harder than I even imagined it could be.

"It is the hardest problem in video game development," he added. "Everybody gets it wrong. It's just a question of how close to right do you get it."

Eurogamer's Dan Whitehead awarded Spector's Wii game 6/10 last month. His take on the camera? It "blights the more perilous platforming sections, struggling to keep pace as you climb and drop, and it's an absolute pain during combat."

"What I try to be completely clear about is that this is not a platforming game," Spector went on to explain, in response to gamers' complaints that his team should have followed Super Mario Galaxy 2's near-impeccable lead.

"This is a game that takes platforming elements and adventure game elements and role-playing elements and merges them. So we couldn't tune the camera perfectly for platforming or for action adventure. It's a very different camera style.

"What we did is try to find the best compromise in the moment and give the player as much manual control as we could. So we took the hardest problem in third-person gaming and made it harder by trying to accommodate two different playing styles.

"And I will go to my grave, imperfect as it is, proud as hell of my camera team," he concluded.

"If reviewers want to give us a hard time about it because they're misunderstanding the game we made, it's not for me to tell them that they're wrong, absolutely not. But I wish people would get it out of their head that we made a 'Mario' competitor, because we didn't."

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2010, 08:39:15 PM

Ugh, he pulls the "you guys just don't understand it!" defense. :-\

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 07, 2010, 08:44:42 PM

Warren has gone bye-bye

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 07, 2010, 08:49:44 PM

gamers just don't un-der-stand

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2010, 09:59:24 PM

It would be better if he never addressed the issue or said something like it was a tough problem to solve. We did our best, but we couldn't accommodate all cases. We'll try better next time.

But with that explanation I'm not even sure what he means. The game is full of platforming. Yes its a hybrid game but part of that hybrid is platforming and jumping around on shit and climbing shit. It's a very odd defense.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on December 07, 2010, 11:13:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2010, 08:24:42 PM

Quote from: pilonv1 on December 07, 2010, 08:10:16 PM
Just buy the HD versions next year :teehee

They released Epic Mickey on the most kid-friendly console and the one with the biggest install base, and it still bombed. You think they're going to spend the money on a HD version?

(http://i.imgur.com/NanBC.png)

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: pilonv1 on December 07, 2010, 11:54:25 PM

:rofl

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: duckman2000 on December 08, 2010, 09:25:18 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

I don't think Warren Spector knows how to manage a project anymore. Between this and the last Deus Ex, that's two turkeys in a row. He's a great speaker. And intellectually a smart guy, but his days of creating the next big thing seem to be over. He struggles to make competent games now.

He was smart enough to take a step back and let that other dude take the heat for such brilliant ideas as unified ammo, the removal of a proper inventory and the shit lots of loading times and shitty level design because hey, it's not like anyone actually liked the exploration aspect of Deus Ex anyway. :|

This one, this is all Warren.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 08, 2010, 03:59:47 PM

so is this game actually selling

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Bebpo on December 08, 2010, 05:39:37 PM

Quote from: Green Man on December 08, 2010, 04:43:12 PM

Remember Epic Mickey for what it tried to be and not for what it was.

A poor man's Kingdom Hearts?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Purple Filth on December 08, 2010, 06:05:12 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on December 08, 2010, 05:39:37 PM

Quote from: Green Man on December 08, 2010, 04:43:12 PM
Remember Epic Mickey for what it tried to be and not for what it was.

A poor man's Kingdom Hearts?

isn't that what it is now?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2010, 06:17:07 PM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on December 08, 2010, 03:59:47 PM

so is this game actually selling

:rofl good one.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 08, 2010, 08:24:31 PM

Actually I assumed that Disney would be doing a mega advertising blitz for this -- spamming the shit out of the Disney Channel with ads for this would all but ensure retail domination

Oh wait this is the wii we're talking about :'(

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on December 08, 2010, 08:25:28 PM

This game is hardly a poor man's Kingdom Hearts... we already have Kingdom Hearts for that

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on December 08, 2010, 08:39:02 PM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on December 08, 2010, 08:24:31 PM

Actually I assumed that Disney would be doing a mega advertising blitz for this -- spamming the shit out of the Disney Channel with ads for this would all but ensure retail domination

Oh wait this is the wii we're talking about :'(

Seriously though, even a mediocre game (which this may or may not be) with a killer license (which this has), should be able to sell with enough marketing creating public awareness. If there really is an absence of advertising, even on Disney Channel, this is one of those cases where the corporation dictated moving away from large console titles and marketing immediately abandoned support for it, leaving it to wither on the vine.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: tiesto on December 08, 2010, 09:12:43 PM

Would have bought it if it was straight up 2.5D platforming goodness; an Okami wannabe with shitty camera and tons of pointless fetch quests doesn't sound like my cup of tea.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 09:38:50 AM

Quote from: pilonv1 on December 07, 2010, 08:36:26 PM

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-12-07-spector-defends-epic-mickey-camera
"What I try to be completely clear about is that this is not a platforming game," Spector went on to explain, in response to gamers' complaints that his team should have followed Super Mario Galaxy 2's near-impeccable lead.

"This is a game that takes platforming elements and adventure game elements and role-playing elements and merges them. So we couldn't tune the camera perfectly for platforming or for action adventure. It's a very different camera style.

"What we did is try to find the best compromise in the moment and give the player as much manual control as we could. So we took the hardest problem in third-person gaming and made it harder by trying to accommodate two different playing styles.

"And I will go to my grave, imperfect as it is, proud as hell of my camera team," he concluded.

"If reviewers want to give us a hard time about it because they're misunderstanding the game we made, it's not for me to tell them that they're wrong, absolutely not. But I wish people would get it out of their head that we made a 'Mario' competitor, because we didn't."

Quote from: Giant Bomb

Interesting ideas abound in Epic Mickey, but they're all sadly in service of gameplay that just doesn't deserve them. While it has some half-baked open-world and role-playing elements, this is a platform-jumping game first and foremost. Specifically, it feels like the kind of mascot-driven platformer that was legion in the N64/PlayStation era, before dual analog sticks were standardized and when most third-person polygonal games struggled valiantly with camera controls. Epic Mickey's unruly camera isn't insurmountable, but having to replay sections due to blind jumps and constant fussing gives you plenty of time to consider just how boilerplate most of the platforming feels, and just how dull vast stretches of this game are

http://www.giantbomb.com/disney-epic-mickey/61-27562/reviews/

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 09, 2010, 11:59:44 AM

"Literally, we've got a half dozen perfect scores and I've also gotten the lowest scores I've ever gotten on any game I've ever worked on. In a weird sort of way, I think that's kind of cool."

UK Resistance lays it all out
http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2010/12/one-last-roll-of-the-dice-for-epic-mickey/ (http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2010/12/one-last-roll-of-the-dice-for-epic-mickey/)

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on December 09, 2010, 12:16:40 PM

told ya guys but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
"magus hates everything"
:yuck

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:-*

[close]

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Bebpo on December 09, 2010, 03:04:03 PM

how's that new shiren?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on December 09, 2010, 03:22:03 PM

you mean shiren 5? my lack of japanese knowledge is a crippling weakness :-\

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: cool breeze on December 09, 2010, 06:16:12 PM

I feel like I'm in an alternate future where where no advances were made since the Nintendo 64 and developers somehow became worse at camera control.

Only an hour or two in but it's kinda boring, doesn't really have the charm I was expecting (surprisingly, kingdom hearts get it more), and controlling the shockingly bad camera is just frustrating. It's not a nice looking game. All the environments are like a tim burton game on the playstation 1; a lot of vomit and dark colors, off shapes, etc.

The camera is the worst part. My standards for camera control on the Wii are incredibly low after games like Crystal Bearers, but this game's camera is a nightmare. It's automatic and never shows you want you want, but if you try to manually move it d-pad/c button controls, the auto camera fights you. Maybe that's the real enemy in the game since combat seems to involve holding down the B trigger over an enemy for three seconds. Mickey represents the artists that are held by the director.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on December 09, 2010, 06:53:53 PM

Quote from: magus on December 09, 2010, 12:16:40 PM

told ya guys but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
"magus hates everything"
:yuck

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:-*
[close]

lmao. I didnt evne have to finish the game to tell anyone it was poo. You = wasted time

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on December 09, 2010, 09:27:56 PM

This game is in my Amazon cart. Should I kill it before shipping? Should I wait until it's 10USD and be "part of the problem"?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: cool breeze on December 20, 2010, 07:37:43 PM

this game is so bad

I looked at the table of content of the guide to see if I was close to finishing it. I only have one more level after this to slog through, so I might just do it. But this entire game is a drag and it just drains the joy out of you. A clinical F-grade platformer that can't even touch PS2 licensed platformers like Treasure Planet.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 20, 2010, 11:13:40 PM

Why are you slogging through it? Hock that shit, duder.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: cool breeze on December 21, 2010, 01:00:01 AM

oh, it's getting sold, but I'm close enough to end that I might as well finish it. At least I thought so, because the game makes you go back to old areas and literally do the same exact task a few dozen times. and whoever thought it was a good idea to have shitty shit shit 2d levels between every area, to and from, is ridiculous.

honestly, the best thing to come out of this game is that I'm more hopeful for Deus Ex 3. If this is the quality of game Warren Spector is producing these days, I'd much rather have some french canadians I haven't heard of before handling that that series.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on December 21, 2010, 05:02:43 AM

link - tell me where you are and i'll tell you how close you are to the end

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 21, 2010, 12:42:22 PM

I think you might have a problem Linkzg, seriously, if a game sucks then get rid of it pronto.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: cool breeze on December 21, 2010, 12:56:53 PM

No shit I have a problem. I played Castlevania to the end and that game was longer, though, not as bad and at least nice to look at. Epic Mickey is the worst game of 2010 full stop.

Quote from: magus on December 21, 2010, 05:02:43 AM

link - tell me where you are and i'll tell you how close you are to the end

I entered another area filled with vomit that looks like a Tim Burton game released on the Jaguar.

I know I'm at the end game since the game already told me that this was the point of no return. It's at the sleeping beauty castle or something.

Oh, and this game is a giant joke on westerners. The Japanese did a better job at capturing Disney whimsy than this game. This game just has a lot of old Disney characters that barely serve a purpose other than to be present in the game world. It's like an early rough draft of a fan fiction.

It also has this crazy balance of being painfully stupid friendly for kids, yet the game itself is so poorly designed and arbitrary that I can't image any kid enjoying it. That and all the references are to old Disney characters that they wouldn't have heard of. This is a man baby game through and through...and I intend to finish it :'(

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: duckman2000 on December 21, 2010, 05:53:40 PM

Banjo N&B reigns supreme as that game for kids and adults.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on December 23, 2010, 11:13:06 AM

Amazon notified me that Epic Mickey went from being reasonably discounted back to it's normal price while lingering in my Cart.

...Well, that made life easy.

BUH-LETE.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 23, 2010, 12:28:39 PM

This game is so polarizing. It's love-or-abhor.

Judging by the reviews from the peeps I spect, I think I would find this game turd. Fortunately I don't own a Wii so that makes the decision easier

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 23, 2010, 12:30:53 PM

BTW Spector is a wiener for not fighting back and making the amazing Uncle Scrooge game that he initially wanted to make.

Mickey is a shitty character. He's boring. He doesn't have any interesting catchphrases aside from "Oh, golly." He's a fucking dork.

On the other hand, Scrooge will FUCK YOUR SHIT UP.

(http://home.swipnet.se/~w-47991/DonRosa/pics/cover1.gif)

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 23, 2010, 12:35:17 PM

well, mickey turned into a bland character over the years, but he was pretty cool in the early black and white shorts when he was sort of a mischievous asshole

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2010, 12:38:20 PM

Quote from: chronovore on December 23, 2010, 11:13:06 AM

Amazon notified me that Epic Mickey went from being reasonably discounted back to it's normal price while lingering in my Cart.

...Well, that made life easy.

BUH-LETE.

Nier and Bayonetta both went up by $5 as well. :-\

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 23, 2010, 12:49:54 PM

I like this game :ninja

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: cool breeze on December 23, 2010, 12:55:43 PM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on December 23, 2010, 12:28:39 PM

This game is so polarizing. It's love-or-abhor.

Judging by the reviews from the peeps I spect, I think I would find this game turd. Fortunately I don't own a Wii so that makes the decision easier

I'd actually like to know what the people who love it think. Is it purely because of Mickey Mouse/Disney nostalgia? as a game it has some indefensible choices. But it has a bunch of old, forgotten characters that a Disney enthusiast ( :wtf) might enjoy.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: magus on December 23, 2010, 01:08:20 PM

as i said in my ramblings...

the 2D level are awesome
the 3D level averagish,for being inspired by disneyland attraction they are really bland
the huge amount of fetch questing is really what completly ruins the game and bring to bleh level
the gimmick is just there for gimmicky reason

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2575-Epic-Mickey

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: pilonv1 on December 23, 2010, 05:29:59 PM

Yahtzee was awesome in this one

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: duckman2000 on December 26, 2010, 05:51:43 PM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on December 23, 2010, 12:30:53 PM

BTW Spector is a wiener for not fighting back and making the amazing Uncle Scrooge game that he initially wanted to make.

Mickey is a shitty character. He's boring. He doesn't have any interesting catchphrases aside from "Oh, golly." He's a fucking dork.

On the other hand, Scrooge will FUCK YOUR SHIT UP.

(http://home.swipnet.se/~w-47991/DonRosa/pics/cover1.gif)

Yeah, Scrooge is hardcore. So what's the story there, why didn't Disney go for that? Not easy enough to co-market with the products of cutesy Disney?

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 26, 2010, 06:16:10 PM

Disney really hasn't given much of a shit about the ducks since the early 90s, so that's probably why they didn't bite. It's sad because guys like Carl Barks and Don Rosa have made the duck universe the most fleshed-out and compelling one in the Disney canon. (DuckTales was good, but doesn't hold a candle to most Barks and Rosa stuff.)

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: demi on December 26, 2010, 07:13:40 PM

too bad you should leave this country ASAP, loser

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: chronovore on January 03, 2011, 02:47:52 AM

A friend who is a fan of Warren Spector tonight told me that the game isn't worth buying at just about any price. I told him to keep an eye on sales for me after I go back to Japan, and grab it for US$10. Sadly, he'd just sold his for US$10. >:(

I'm super curious about how it turned out. He said it's basically Super Mario Sunshine, except the camera is crap and Warren Spector will have a tantrum if you say it's like Mario... anything.

Title: Re: Epic Mickey
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2011, 02:52:27 AM

Quote from: chronovore on January 03, 2011, 02:47:52 AM

Warren Spector will have a tantrum if you say it's like Mario... anything.

The whole thing was very weird. From the beginning this seemed like Spector either slumming or just selling out a bit to try to make some dough off that Wii craze which must have seemed amazingly hot when he started developing this game a few years back. It's like he wants to speak from the elevated position of the guy who made Deus Ex but Epic Mickey ain't no Deus Ex and he's never seemed quite comfortable with that. Even the superficial choice elements that do exist in the game that are a throwback to his previous work I hear are bad in this game.

THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: SantaC on November 16, 2010, 12:35:59 PM