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Title: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 06:32:11 PM
Numbers tend to leak out slowly now so I'll update the op when they do.


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NPD Group data for November is out, and it’s good news for Microsoft’s Xbox 360 console.

The market research firm puts the Xbox 360 console in the number 1 spot in the US for the sixth month in a row. According to the data, Microsoft sold 1.4 million units during the month of November, compared with 325,000 in the previous month.

The figures also show that the Xbox 360 console attracted 50% of the spend on gaming consoles during that month.

The release of the Kinect, which sold 2.5 million units in 25 days, has certainly been good for sales, and it looks like the Xbox 360 will dominate sales over the holidays.


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The latest installment in the Call of Duty franchise, Call of Duty: Black Ops had a record-setting launch in November selling 8.4 million copies in the U.S., already cracking the top 10 best-selling games of all time (No. 7), according to the latest sales report by market tracking firm The NPD Group.


Released on Nov. 9, Black Ops accounted for 25% of all video game software units sold in the month of November, said NPD analyst Anita Frazier. That helped the video game industry to its second straight month of increased software sales. Overall, sales of games totalled $1.46 billion, up 4% over November 2009.

Combined sales of games, hardware and accessories approached $3 billion ($2.95 billion), up 9% over November 2009. "November sales represent the best November on record in terms of new physical retail sales," Frazier said. "It bests November 2008 by roughly $30 million, and that time frame was at the height of the music/dance genre sales. The November rebound could lead to 2010 sales that equal that of 2009. Based on typical seasonality trends, new physical retail sales should come in between $18.8B-$19.6B," Frazier said. "Gains in November offset a good portion of the year-to-date declines."


Top 10 Games (New Physical Retail only; across all platforms incl. PC)

01. Call of Duty: Black Ops (360, PS3, Wii, PC, NDS) ACTIVISION BLIZZARD ** - 8.4 Million
02. Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (360, PS3) UBISOFT ** - 1.14 Million
03. Just Dance 2 (Wii) UBISOFT
04. Madden NFL 11 (360, PS3, Wii, PS2, PSP) ELECTRONIC ARTS
05. Fable III (360) MICROSOFT**
06. Donkey Kong Country Returns (Wii) NINTENDO - 430.5K
07. Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (PS3, 360, Wii, PC) ELECTRONIC ARTS - 417K
08. Gran Turismo 5 (PS3) SONY** - 400K
09. NBA 2K11 (360, PS3, Wii, PS2, PSP,PC) TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
10. Wii Fit Plus (Wii) NINTENDO**


Hardware:

Nintendo DS: 1.5 Million (-11.8%)
Xbox 360: 1.4 Million (+70.8%)
Wii: 1.2 Million (-4.8%)
PS3: 530k (-25%)

uDraw - 190k




Other November NPD factoids:

--The Music/Dance genre increased 38% in unit sales over last November fueled by Just Dance 2 and Dance Central.
-- The Xbox 360 was the best-selling console hardware system for the month, with a 68% increase over last November.
-- The Nintendo DS was the best-selling system of the month with the new red model providing the most sales and the white, lower-priced model at No. 2. "It appears the DS attracted two pockets of consumers: those looking for a unique limited-edition product and those looking for value," Frazier said.
-- November marks the sixth consecutive month Xbox 360 leads video game consoles in sales, with 1.37 million units sold.
-- Xbox 360 is the only console to show double digit year-to-date growth at 42%, making it the fastest-growing console in 2010.
-- 50% of spending at retail this November (for current generation consoles) was on the Xbox 360 platform.
-- During the month of November, four of the top ten console game titles were for Xbox 360 including: Call of Duty: Black Ops, Fable III, Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood, and Halo: Reach.
-- Dance Central, Harmonix's full-body dance title for Kinect, cha-cha-chinged with sales in November. According to NPD, the game was #11 in overall sales for the month and the top-selling Kinect game as a SKU. Of course, by units, Kinect Adventures moved the most copies, as it was bundled with the peripheral, which sold over 2.5 million units globally in the month of November. Although NPD generally no longer shares specific software sales, we were told by the company that Kinect Sports and Your Shape: Fitness Evolved were the second and third best-selling Kinect titles, respectively.
-- We are now reporting sales at the total platform level instead of the SKU level but if we were reporting the top 10 SKU's, Halo: Reach would have been #10 this month.
-- The Xbox 360 Kinect was the best-selling accessory item in November. With one month of sales, it's the top-selling accessory item in terms of dollar sales on a year-to-date basis. The Xbox 360 platform contributed five of the top ten accessory items for the month.
-- Pachter also noted that one third of PS3 sales were $400 PlayStation Move bundles, versus one half of all Xbox 360 purchases being Kinect bundles. (There are two Kinect bundles, a $300 4GB model and $400 250GB model.) "Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles outsold PS3 Move console bundles by more than 5 to 1," said the analyst. 



Year to Date and Lifetime to date sales in the US.

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DS - 6.06m (44.79m)
X360 - 4.90m (23.53m)
Wii - 4.64m (31.83m)
PS3 - 3.12m (14.25m)




Here are the numbers for November 2009 if you are curious.


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Wii - 1.26M
Xbox 360 - 819,500
PS3 - 710,400
NDS - 1.70M
PSP - 293,900
PS2 - 203,100
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: archie4208 on December 09, 2010, 06:33:52 PM
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (PS3, 360, Wii, PC) 7 ELECTRONIC ARTS
**Gran Turismo 5 (PS3) 8 SONY

:rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Beezy on December 09, 2010, 06:34:25 PM
:bow Need for Speed Hot Pursuit :bow2

:piss GT5 :piss2
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: magus on December 09, 2010, 06:37:16 PM
so did donkey kong country bomb?
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: archie4208 on December 09, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Black Ops sold 8.4 million units in November, in the US alone.   :o
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Bebpo on December 09, 2010, 06:39:40 PM
X360 did really really well.  Kinect was a success?

GT5 probably outsold NFS by now.  NFS was released mid-month and had all the black friday sales taken into account.  GT5 came out during thanksgiving and no one even knew the release date until the last minute.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 06:41:31 PM
From Major Nelson

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# November marks the sixth consecutive month Xbox 360 leads video game consoles in sales, with 1.37 million units sold. (Source: NPD Group, November 2010)
# Xbox 360 is the only console to show double digit year-to-date growth at 42%, making it the fastest-growing console in 2010. (Source: NPD Group, November 2010)
# 50% of spending at retail this November (for current generation consoles) was on the Xbox 360 platform. (Source: NPD Group, November 2010)
# During the month of November, four of the top ten console game titles were for Xbox 360 including: Call of Duty: Black Ops, Fable III, Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood, and Halo: Reach. (Source: NPD Group,

So PS3+Wii = the other 50% :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 09, 2010, 06:41:45 PM
so did donkey kong country bomb?


Yes, these numbers are combined so it makes DKC look good.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 06:44:19 PM
When do we get Kinect numbers? :hyper
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: magus on December 09, 2010, 06:45:21 PM
combined? ???
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: archie4208 on December 09, 2010, 06:45:46 PM
- PS3: 530k.

I wonder if Kinect outsold the PS3.  :rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 06:46:18 PM
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"The Xbox 360 Kinect was the best-selling accessory item in November. With one month of sales, it's the top-selling accessory item in terms of dollar sales on a year-to-date basis."

:hyper

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- PS3: 530k.

omg :rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 06:47:44 PM
- PS3: 530k.

I wonder if Kinect outsold the PS3.  :rofl

Holy Fuck

  :rofl


Year of the PS 3 indeed.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 06:48:41 PM
What about all those people waiting for GT5 to get their PS3?
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 09, 2010, 06:48:48 PM
That is WAY down from last year's November, iirc. Year of the PS3 delayed to 2011, confirmed.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Third on December 09, 2010, 06:48:56 PM
Poor Sony. GT5 and the system bombed last month in NA.

Ps3 needs a pricedrop.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Bebpo on December 09, 2010, 06:49:37 PM
I wonder when Sony are going to do something about PS3 selling like shit in the US.  It does barely ok in Japan, good in Europe and bad in US.  They need to do something to motivate sales.  A price drop sure wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 09, 2010, 06:50:24 PM
That's right motherfuckers.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 09, 2010, 06:51:15 PM
combined? ???


The new NPD numbers combines all versions of a game as one. Before they would be separate. That is why DKC and even GT5 are appearing.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: iconoclast on December 09, 2010, 06:53:37 PM
Wow, can't believe the PS3 did so poorly. Time for a price cut.

I wonder how many units the PSP sold... probably 100k
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 06:54:27 PM
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Congrats to Harmonix on Dance Central being the best-selling Kinect game, # 11 overall in Nov. A well-deserved win.

Harmonix :rock
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 09, 2010, 06:54:45 PM
Black Ops
Kinect
360


It's the victory of the...brocasual
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 06:55:02 PM
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Dance Central, Harmonix's full-body dance title for Kinect, cha-cha-chinged with sales in November. According to NPD, the game was #11 in overall sales for the month and the top-selling Kinect game as a SKU. Of course, by units, Kinect Adventures moved the most copies, as it was bundled with the peripheral, which sold over 2.5 million units globally in the month of November.
 
Although NPD generally no longer shares specific software sales, we were told by the company that Kinect Sports and Your Shape: Fitness Evolved were the second and third best-selling Kinect titles, respectively. For an audience stereotyped as lazy, gamers seem to have responded the most to three of the sweatiest Kinect games.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: archie4208 on December 09, 2010, 06:55:41 PM
Resistance Heavenly Sword Haze Lair Uncharted 2 Killzone 2 God of War 3 Gran Turismo 5 Uncharted 3 will save the PS3.  :bow2
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 09, 2010, 06:56:30 PM
That is WAY down from last year's November, iirc. Year of the PS3 delayed to 2011, confirmed.

I still own yearofps3.com :teehee
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Third on December 09, 2010, 06:57:05 PM
Ps3 is still the only system that's $299 or higher. Why would the average consumer choose to buy the Ps3 when the X360 (almost the same games) and the Wii are much cheaper?
Fucking Sony.  :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
M :-\ ve
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 09, 2010, 06:57:56 PM
Helps that 360 had hotter bundles...

PS3 was all the same. Uncha 2 + Shitty Blu Ray = $300
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 06:58:04 PM
Ps3 is still the only system that's $299 or higher. Why would the average consumer choose to buy the Ps3 when the X360 (almost the same games) and the Wii are much cheaper?
Fucking Sony.  :lol

It only does everything!
This is Living!

etc.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 06:58:55 PM
Helps that 360 had hotter bundles...

PS3 was all the same. Uncha 2 + Shitty Blu Ray = $300

I bought a new 360 in november. You could find deals on them for like $90 on refurbished units at Gamestop. They had stacks of them.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Third on December 09, 2010, 07:01:57 PM
Weird that Fable III charts and Halo Reach doesn't.
I guess the Halo crowd moved to CoD.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 09, 2010, 07:02:04 PM
That is WAY down from last year's November, iirc. Year of the PS3 delayed to 2011, confirmed.

I still own yearofps3.com :teehee

You do? it currently redirects to 3D Dot Game Heroes official site :lol

You're obviously getting lazy since you didn't redirect it to GT5's when it was released.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 09, 2010, 07:02:38 PM
Weird that Fable III charts and Halo Reach doesn't.
I guess the Halo crowd moved to CoD.

Halo Reach would be 10 if they counted bundles. It's true.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 07:03:51 PM
Weird that Fable III charts and Halo Reach doesn't.
I guess the Halo crowd moved to CoD.

It still sold well including that massive first month.

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During the month of November, four of the top ten console game titles were for Xbox 360 including: Call of Duty: Black Ops, Fable III, Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood, and Halo: Reach.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
NPD sez Halo would have been #10 for individual SKUs
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 09, 2010, 07:10:39 PM
I wonder when Sony are going to do something about PS3 selling like shit in the US.  It does barely ok in Japan, good in Europe and bad in US.  They need to do something to motivate sales.  A price drop sure wouldn't hurt.

I wouldn't say its doing okay in japan. It does better than the wii and the xbox, but that doesn't change the fact it doesn't break 150k a month.  I think the US is its strongest territory.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 09, 2010, 07:11:59 PM
Nobody cares about the Japanese market anyway. Who gives a fuck.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 09, 2010, 07:18:02 PM
Not even the japanese care about the japanese market.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2010, 07:19:31 PM
6.) Donkey Kong Country Returns (Wii)
8.) Gran Turismo 5 (PS3)

:rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Rman on December 09, 2010, 07:21:04 PM
Nice to see Need for Speed: HP do well.  I need more time to play that game.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Diunx on December 09, 2010, 07:21:39 PM
Poor Sony. GT5 and the system bombed last month in NA.

Ps3 needs a pricedrop.

Dude it has like two days sales of GT5, the system did bombed hard, maybe sony should spend more money showing the world how awesome Uncharted is instead of manufacturing fucking move controllers.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 09, 2010, 07:21:49 PM
I wonder why Microsoft hasn't issued any hard numbers for Kinect. We have global numbers, what could it hurt to enumerate the US launch?
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 07:28:22 PM
I wonder why Microsoft hasn't issued any hard numbers for Kinect. We have global numbers, what could it hurt to enumerate the US launch?

They've been pretty consistent with their target for 5 million worldwide by the end of the year. I think some clever person could probably do a pretty good guess at what the numbers are since the US and the UK are the 360's biggest markets.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 09, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
move is a good piece of hardware saddled with poor retail games

all of the psn games i have either demoed or bought for it have been decent
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Third on December 09, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
I still can't believe Fable III is selling so well. It really is the worst Fable so far.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: The Sceneman on December 09, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
that about wraps it up for Sony. Even Gran Turdismo 7 could't save their ass.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 07:43:19 PM
Re: Kinect, if they mention US numbers you can split out where they under-performed. It's smarter for them just to reference global. Take 2 does it as well.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 09, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
Sad but predictable.  Sony's ineptitude has become so customary in this gen that it's hard to get excited enough to troll. 
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 09, 2010, 07:52:28 PM
That is WAY down from last year's November, iirc. Year of the PS3 delayed to 2011, confirmed.

I still own yearofps3.com :teehee

You do? it currently redirects to 3D Dot Game Heroes official site :lol

You're obviously getting lazy since you didn't redirect it to GT5's when it was released.

reload it :teehee

spoiler (click to show/hide)
in like 5 minutes
[close]
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: The Sceneman on December 09, 2010, 07:54:19 PM
Sad but predictable.  Sony's ineptitude has become so customary in this gen that it's hard to get excited enough to troll. 

leper plz, it's so easy to get excited trolling Sony
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: aerofx on December 09, 2010, 07:59:39 PM
Wow, can't believe the PS3 did so poorly. Time for a price cut.

I wonder how many units the PSP sold... probably 100k

uuh no, people just need to get a second job.  :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 09, 2010, 08:04:19 PM
Oh wow @ OP :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2010, 08:08:11 PM
PS3: 530k (-25%)

holy fuck ahahahaha
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2010, 08:10:54 PM
Wow @ Black Ops
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: The Sceneman on December 09, 2010, 08:11:34 PM
Wow, can't believe the PS3 did so poorly. Time for a price cut.

I wonder how many units the PSP sold... probably 100k

uuh no, people just need to get a second job.  :lol

and 4d glasses :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 09, 2010, 08:14:04 PM
I'd go on GAF to relish the meltdowns but I'd probably get dizzy from all the spin.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
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NPD: December 2010

Top PlayStation Highlights
- PS3 hardware sales continue to increase month over month (up 112%)
- PS3 had a 5% increase in year-to-date sales in November
- Three PS3 games ranked in the top ten software skus for the month, including Call of Duty: Black Opps, Assassin's Creed:Brotherhood, Gran Turismo 5

SCEA Statement
This holiday season PlayStation celebrates, along with the video game industry, as NPD reports a 9% year over year industry increase in overall dollar sales. The early blockbuster success of PlayStation Move has undoubtedly helped to pave the way for us as we head into 2011. The library of hard core and social gamer titles currently on the store shelves (EyePet, Get Fit with Mel B, Gran Turismo 5, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, SingStar Dance) as well those to come (Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, LittleBigPlanet 2, Twisted Metal, Killzone 3) will only continue to solidify our place in the living room. In fact, the strength of Move’s technology infrastructure in allowing our developers to make already released titles Move compatible, will help broaden the net of their existing PS3 titles, bringing them to life even further with PlayStation Move. We’re pleased that consumers continue to look to PlayStation for innovative and unique entertainment experiences. As we head into the new year, with almost every PlayStation Move sku in short supply and on allocation, I think we will continue to see a steady surge of positive growth for our home entertainment offerings simply because customers looking for strong product value, quality entertainment offerings, depth in gaming and content (original programming, NetFlix, Hulu Plus, NHL, MLB), will choose PlayStation.
-- Patrick Seybold, Sr. Director of Corporate Communications at SCEA

:rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2010, 08:31:25 PM
Glass half full
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 09, 2010, 08:33:48 PM
If PS3's chart performance this month is an improvement, I shudder to think how awful they were before.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 09, 2010, 08:52:20 PM
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NPD: December 2010

Top PlayStation Highlights
- PS3 hardware sales continue to increase month over month (up 112%)
- PS3 had a 5% increase in year-to-date sales in November
- Three PS3 games ranked in the top ten software skus for the month, including Call of Duty: Black Opps, Assassin's Creed:Brotherhood, Gran Turismo 5

SCEA Statement
This holiday season PlayStation celebrates, along with the video game industry, as NPD reports a 9% year over year industry increase in overall dollar sales. The early blockbuster success of PlayStation Move has undoubtedly helped to pave the way for us as we head into 2011. The library of hard core and social gamer titles currently on the store shelves (EyePet, Get Fit with Mel B, Gran Turismo 5, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, SingStar Dance) as well those to come (Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, LittleBigPlanet 2, Twisted Metal, Killzone 3) will only continue to solidify our place in the living room. In fact, the strength of Move’s technology infrastructure in allowing our developers to make already released titles Move compatible, will help broaden the net of their existing PS3 titles, bringing them to life even further with PlayStation Move. We’re pleased that consumers continue to look to PlayStation for innovative and unique entertainment experiences. As we head into the new year, with almost every PlayStation Move sku in short supply and on allocation, I think we will continue to see a steady surge of positive growth for our home entertainment offerings simply because customers looking for strong product value, quality entertainment offerings, depth in gaming and content (original programming, NetFlix, Hulu Plus, NHL, MLB), will choose PlayStation.
-- Patrick Seybold, Sr. Director of Corporate Communications at SCEA



Nice to see Sony's commitment to their 10 yr plan of remaining in 3rd place. 
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 09, 2010, 08:57:01 PM
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (combined platforms) -- 1.14MM
Donkey Kong Country Returns -- 430.5K
Gran Turismo 5 -- 400K

Donkey Kong should get a nice christmas boost methinks. Still, kinda lowish, GT5 is lolish.

Wish we could get kinect figures, sonic colors, and nba jam hd.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 08:59:10 PM
Donkey Kong Country Returns -- 430.5K
Gran Turismo 5 -- 400K

wow :rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 09, 2010, 09:09:45 PM
Apparently Goldeneye didn't do terrible, although no specifics.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 09, 2010, 09:12:52 PM
DKC didnt do so bad for a Wii game. Certainly better than Other M...
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: The Sceneman on December 09, 2010, 09:34:41 PM
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NPD: December 2010

Top PlayStation Highlights
- PS3 hardware sales continue to increase month over month (up 112%)
- PS3 had a 5% increase in year-to-date sales in November
- Three PS3 games ranked in the top ten software skus for the month, including Call of Duty: Black Opps, Assassin's Creed:Brotherhood, Gran Turismo 5

SCEA Statement
This holiday season PlayStation celebrates, along with the video game industry, as NPD reports a 9% year over year industry increase in overall dollar sales. The early blockbuster success of PlayStation Move has undoubtedly helped to pave the way for us as we head into 2011. The library of hard core and social gamer titles currently on the store shelves (EyePet, Get Fit with Mel B, Gran Turismo 5, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, SingStar Dance) as well those to come (Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, LittleBigPlanet 2, Twisted Metal, Killzone 3) will only continue to solidify our place in the living room. In fact, the strength of Move’s technology infrastructure in allowing our developers to make already released titles Move compatible, will help broaden the net of their existing PS3 titles, bringing them to life even further with PlayStation Move. We’re pleased that consumers continue to look to PlayStation for innovative and unique entertainment experiences. As we head into the new year, with almost every PlayStation Move sku in short supply and on allocation, I think we will continue to see a steady surge of positive growth for our home entertainment offerings simply because customers looking for strong product value, quality entertainment offerings, depth in gaming and content (original programming, NetFlix, Hulu Plus, NHL, MLB), will choose PlayStation.
-- Patrick Seybold, Sr. Director of Corporate Communications at SCEA

:rofl

3 games in the top 10! A record!
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Bocsius on December 09, 2010, 09:55:37 PM
Does anyone have LTDs? I'm wondering if PS3 has caught up yet.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 09, 2010, 09:56:58 PM
400K is a GREAT number considering there was ZERO marketing on GT5. Absolutely no in-store advertising on the day of release, just word of mouth.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 10:00:08 PM
Does anyone have LTDs? I'm wondering if PS3 has caught up yet.

Not sure of worldwide LTD numbers. Here are life time to date figures for the US and for the year.

DS - 6.06m (44.79m)

X360 - 4.90m (23.53m)

Wii - 4.64m (31.83m)

PS3 - 3.12m (14.25m)
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Purple Filth on December 09, 2010, 10:00:49 PM
for some reason i find this gif hilarious  :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/5uH0u.gif).

as for NPD great job MS, Nintendo showing the holidays still helps them big time and  :lol @ Sony.

Now i think i see why they revealed Uncharted 3 today.  :P
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 10:02:13 PM
The GT numbers are decent although we'll see how the legs are in the next couple of months. Racing games are less big than they used to be. The strong anti-response is for all the fanboys who always touted GT 5 as the crown jewel that would right the Sony ship.

Also comparing direct numbers isn't really that useful in a certain sense. GT is a much bigger franchise for Sony than Forza is for MS. Forza doesn't have to sell at the same numbers to justify itself in the same way that GT does.

It would be like comparing Halo to Socom or something.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Bocsius on December 09, 2010, 10:11:28 PM
Does anyone have LTDs? I'm wondering if PS3 has caught up yet.

Here are life time to date figures for the US and for the year.

DS - 6.06m (44.79m)
X360 - 4.90m (23.53m)
Wii - 4.64m (31.83m)
PS3 - 3.12m (14.25m)


So they're still chipping away. Next year, then.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 10:14:37 PM
Does anyone have LTDs? I'm wondering if PS3 has caught up yet.

Here are life time to date figures for the US and for the year.

DS - 6.06m (44.79m)
X360 - 4.90m (23.53m)
Wii - 4.64m (31.83m)
PS3 - 3.12m (14.25m)


So they're still chipping away. Next year, then.

Well they will never catch them in the US obviously. (Unless MS stops focusing on the 360 and moves on to their next console kinda like a genesis snes thing) Probably not in the UK either since the 360 has been trending really well there.

I'm sure its pretty easy to dig up the Japan numbers which leaves the rest of Europe which is more Sony oriented.

I would guess the 360 is still a few million ahead but there are NPD heads who are more into the numbers than I am.

Edit: VG chartz which is bullshit a lot of the time of course has it at 46.7m to 42.8m in favor of 360 ww.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 09, 2010, 10:22:40 PM
wow @ hardware
 :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 09, 2010, 10:27:25 PM
PSP outsells the Wii in Japan? Owned.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2010, 10:29:06 PM
PSP outsells the Wii in Japan? Owned.

Handhelds completely suck the air out of the console market in Japan. One of the many reasons that Japan devs have struggled on the HD consoles this gen in the west.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 09, 2010, 10:32:49 PM
Huh. You know, I guess I knew that already I just never drew the conclusion. Damn shame, really.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Oblivion on December 09, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
Holy shit @ those GT numbers. GT3 sold like 13 million, GT4 did between 8-9 million. These numbers are HORRENDOUS for a title with such a history/pedigree. It went from being a top tier franchise to fricken Ratchet and Clank territory.

:piss Sorny :piss2
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 09, 2010, 11:03:34 PM
Sad but predictable.  Sony's ineptitude has become so customary in this gen that it's hard to get excited enough to troll. 

No need to bother much

Quote
NPD: December 2010

Top PlayStation Highlights
- PS3 hardware sales continue to increase month over month (up 112%)
- PS3 had a 5% increase in year-to-date sales in November
- Three PS3 games ranked in the top ten software skus for the month, including Call of Duty: Black Opps, Assassin's Creed:Brotherhood, Gran Turismo 5

SCEA Statement
This holiday season PlayStation celebrates, along with the video game industry, as NPD reports a 9% year over year industry increase in overall dollar sales. The early blockbuster success of PlayStation Move has undoubtedly helped to pave the way for us as we head into 2011. The library of hard core and social gamer titles currently on the store shelves (EyePet, Get Fit with Mel B, Gran Turismo 5, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, SingStar Dance) as well those to come (Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, LittleBigPlanet 2, Twisted Metal, Killzone 3) will only continue to solidify our place in the living room. In fact, the strength of Move’s technology infrastructure in allowing our developers to make already released titles Move compatible, will help broaden the net of their existing PS3 titles, bringing them to life even further with PlayStation Move. We’re pleased that consumers continue to look to PlayStation for innovative and unique entertainment experiences. As we head into the new year, with almost every PlayStation Move sku in short supply and on allocation, I think we will continue to see a steady surge of positive growth for our home entertainment offerings simply because customers looking for strong product value, quality entertainment offerings, depth in gaming and content (original programming, NetFlix, Hulu Plus, NHL, MLB), will choose PlayStation.
-- Patrick Seybold, Sr. Director of Corporate Communications at SCEA

Even their own PR is trolling them
 :lol

He likes to move a lot
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 09, 2010, 11:07:17 PM
i like how the much-anticipated savior that is gt5 is listed BEHIND two multiplat titles with superior 360 incarnations

it's like sony pr has learned to love the sloppy seconds :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2010, 11:07:32 PM
Sony's PR - we dont need new games, Move lets us re-release old games.

edit: nevermind, was reading the second part
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: MCD on December 09, 2010, 11:52:20 PM
What a news to wake up to.

hippolol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2010, 12:09:39 AM
--The Music/Dance genre increased 38% in unit sales over last November fueled by Just Dance 2 and Dance Central.

Rock Band/Guitar Hero annihilated.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 10, 2010, 12:26:41 AM
Some number

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (360, PS3)   UBISOFT ** - 1.14 Million

via some twitter ,360 version...800k

Last year
Quote
Assassin's Creed II (Xbox 360) 794,700
Assassin's Creed II (PS3) 448,400
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2010, 01:09:02 AM
oh goodie, kincest was a rousing success in NA

this will surely lead to awesome things

:(

let's make a suicide pact
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Oblivion on December 10, 2010, 01:40:12 AM
Wait for PS4.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 10, 2010, 01:46:17 AM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Danthrax40/PS3chalkboard.png)

Guys, GT5 was only out for a few days in November and dirty hackers screwed the release date up so that caused a lot of confusion with shoppers. GT5 will be number one in December.


you have to remember sony didn't market ps3 till the end of the month of November, so those numbers are really for only a few days...
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 10, 2010, 02:05:43 AM
 :gun Kevin Butler

Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: cool breeze on December 10, 2010, 02:12:16 AM
:bow secret ps3 game :bow2

Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2010, 03:19:58 AM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Danthrax40/PS3chalkboard.png)

Guys, GT5 was only out for a few days in November and dirty hackers screwed the release date up so that caused a lot of confusion with shoppers. GT5 will be number one in December.


you have to remember sony didn't market ps3 till the end of the month of November, so those numbers are really for only a few days...

:lol

PS3, you are Cleveland and gamers are LeBron
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: pilonv1 on December 10, 2010, 03:21:03 AM
:rofl awesome analogy
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2010, 04:41:58 AM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Danthrax40/PS3chalkboard.png)

Guys, GT5 was only out for a few days in November and dirty hackers screwed the release date up so that caused a lot of confusion with shoppers. GT5 will be number one in December.


you have to remember sony didn't market ps3 till the end of the month of November, so those numbers are really for only a few days...
:rofl

I think it's pretty safe to say the PS3 is dead. It'll sell well with a price cut, but ultimately the Xbox 360 is the console of choice for most gamers. The biggest multi console games will continue selling more on the 360 due to the userbase size advantage and Xbox Live.

There's really no reason to buy a PS3. The games aren't appealing, there are far cheaper Blu Ray players available, etc.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2010, 04:52:31 AM
oh yeah, and I'd throw Motorstorm onto that list as well, but I'm really wanting to buy about 20-30 games on any given console. The Wii was the worst ever - I only made it to 3 before I gave its sorry ass away.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Third on December 10, 2010, 04:58:42 AM
Infamous is also very good Ps3 exclusive. So is 3d Dot Game Heroes.
And don't foget the awesome PSN games and Demon's Souls.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: magus on December 10, 2010, 05:41:19 AM
but what about atelier rorona pantsu? :-\
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 10, 2010, 07:19:55 AM
Funny(or sad) thing here is that PS3 is going into pre-price cut territory,despite "system seller" called GT and blockbuster pink dildo sales.

But there is still hope

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/move-gets-sharp-shooter-attachment (http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/move-gets-sharp-shooter-attachment)

playstation move sharp shooter :omg

 :rofl

/they could add it to move sales numbers though
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 07:28:28 AM
:lol I actually think the sharpshooter looks neat

at first i was like "forty bucks?!?! eat a cornucopia of dicks, sony"

but unlike regular plastic shells it has some electronics in it and puts all the buttons within easy reach
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 07:47:59 AM
What? ONE GAME will use it? Maybe 2?

it's designed for fps and light gun-style games, so

RE5 Gold Edition, MAG, Time Crisis, Killzone 3, SOCOM, The Shoot, Dead Space Extraction

apparently they consulted with third parties when designing it, so any future fps that adds move functionality

also, i'm no wagglebitch, but the move is a really good piece of hardware

it is shockingly accurate - as a former wii owner i can say that it is well above the wagglewand in precision

i bought hustle kings, and during the calibration it superimposes a cue stick over your hand - i slung it all over the place trying to make it lose calibration and it still followed every twitchy thing i did, even behind my back

everyone should know i have no problem dogging motion control when it sucks, but this doesn't suck, and i don't have any of the problems i had with the wii in bright light situations

i wish rockstar would patch in compatibility to RDR so i could gunsling in my tightie-whities
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: magus on December 10, 2010, 07:51:40 AM
did you try kinect too?
a friend of mine asked me which was more precise and i really couldn't give him an answer....
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 07:56:08 AM
no, haven't tried that, it doesn't look like it would be my thing

i only had to spend $50 for the move (already had the camera), so it was a lower cost risk, and so far i don't regret it (other than sports champions, which isn't a bad game but is clearly not for single players and like dumbasses they didn't add online play)

the thing with the move is that for most games it will be a totally optional control method, so if you hate it you can still play your games with the dualshock
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Third on December 10, 2010, 07:56:36 AM
Motion control gaming needs to die stillborn. Worst thing to happen to gaming since the OG Xbox killing PC gaming.

Yeah. Bought the Move, but never really touched it. Don't even know why I bought it.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Bocsius on December 10, 2010, 08:00:45 AM

I think it's pretty safe to say the PS3 is dead. It'll sell well with a price cut, but ultimately the Xbox 360 is the console of choice for most gamers. The biggest multi console games will continue selling more on the 360 due to the userbase size advantage and Xbox Live.

There's really no reason to buy a PS3. The games aren't appealing, there are far cheaper Blu Ray players available, etc.

Oddly enough, the people I work with, who are of the older, casual set, cite Xbox Live as the reason they chose PS3. Nothing about Blu-Ray, nothing about games, just they think pay-for-play is stupid. And I can't really argue with them on that one.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 08:08:28 AM
the only games worth a crap so far that i have played are:

Sports Champions - fun if you have people to play with, avoid if not
RE5 Gold - works well, distinguished mentally-challenged reversal of the controls (trigger to aim, move button to shoot)
Hustle Kings - very intricate use of the motion controls for setting up and taking shots
Planet Minigolf - very responsive
Tumble - only played the demo, it's a jenga style puzzle game which really shows off the precision

i didn't like pain (awful game made even more awful with move), the shoot (should have been a $10 psn game), kung fu rider (demo, just atrocious), high velocity bowling (works okay, but meh game overall)

i have mag and heavy rain on the way from gamefly, and will try ruse after that

there's an rts game coming out for psn called under siege which looks okay

basically, most of the psn games which use it are decent (and only $10), and the $30-40 retail games are bleh
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 08:09:30 AM
i don't think uncharted would work well with it
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 10, 2010, 08:10:39 AM
Quote
i wish rockstar would patch in compatibility to RDR so i could gunsling in my tightie-whities

wagglebitch


although i see that it could be fun for duels and slow motion stuff

/for 10 minutes

Luckily Rockstar doesn't care much about PS3

Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 08:13:00 AM
"luckily"

i don't see why it would hurt any of you if it had it in there, i could have fun with it the way i wanted to and you could still play with your controller

actually, scratch that, i do see, forgot for a moment that gamers are the most selfish group of hobbyists that exist, carry on
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 08:29:15 AM
with the shooting, yeah, but i'm thinking about all the climbing parts
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2010, 09:43:26 AM
I've never really gotten the hardcore gamers issue with motion controls anyway. It's not as if, if motion controls were gone suddenly people would be playing whatever niche genres hardcore gamers are into.

Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2010, 09:56:09 AM
Eel, do any of the move games you have played have an online MP component?
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: magus on December 10, 2010, 10:21:04 AM
I've never really gotten the hardcore gamers issue with motion controls anyway. It's not as if, if motion controls were gone suddenly people would be playing whatever niche genres hardcore gamers are into.



*ahem*

Quote
03. Just Dance 2 (Wii)    UBISOFT 
06. Donkey Kong Country Returns (Wii)

Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: archie4208 on December 10, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
Which one of you is this poster? (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24838694&postcount=1894) :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 10, 2010, 10:57:17 AM
:shh
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 11:14:59 AM
Eel, do any of the move games you have played have an online MP component?

RE5 has the standard modes, Hustle Kings and Planet Minigolf both have multiplayer - Planet Minigolf has a course editor and you can download user-made courses
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 10, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
"luckily"

i don't see why it would hurt any of you if it had it in there, i could have fun with it the way i wanted to and you could still play with your controller

actually, scratch that, i do see, forgot for a moment that gamers are the most selfish group of hobbyists that exist, carry on

I'm not selfish
options are good,no problems with that

I wish that every title has as many options as possible,especially in controls department.
But there is some other side.

Move problem is that it can replace core controls but "core" games are(will be) designed around dual analogs...userbase,$$$,online,etc
They can put some sticker "move compatible" but recent software(hardware) sales are not exactly promising.Pretty meh support from Sony first party tells a lot...

Personally there is nothing that annoys me more in games than bad controls,i can handle everything...tearing,low fps,shitty cutscenes,shitty gameplay
Bad controls*,game gets blacklisted immediately


*personal preference
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2010, 11:54:28 AM
Quote
Pachter also noted that one third of PS3 sales were $400 PlayStation Move bundles, versus one half of all Xbox 360 purchases being Kinect bundles. (There are two Kinect bundles, a $300 4GB model and $400 250GB model.) "Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles outsold PS3 Move console bundles by more than 5 to 1," said the analyst. 


 :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 10, 2010, 12:32:03 PM
Just bought Infamous, 3D Heroes and Demons Souls for $35 off Gamefly
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 10, 2010, 12:33:12 PM
Quote
Pachter also noted that one third of PS3 sales were $400 PlayStation Move bundles, versus one half of all Xbox 360 purchases being Kinect bundles. (There are two Kinect bundles, a $300 4GB model and $400 250GB model.) "Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles outsold PS3 Move console bundles by more than 5 to 1," said the analyst. 


 :lol

you think those're games they're selling?

when it's Kinect vs. Move, nobody wins
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Robo on December 10, 2010, 12:34:38 PM
Just bought Infamous, 3D Heroes and Demons Souls for $35 off Gamefly

Quality PS3 Games, the complete series  :bow
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
Quote
Pachter also noted that one third of PS3 sales were $400 PlayStation Move bundles, versus one half of all Xbox 360 purchases being Kinect bundles. (There are two Kinect bundles, a $300 4GB model and $400 250GB model.) "Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles outsold PS3 Move console bundles by more than 5 to 1," said the analyst. 


 :lol

you think those're games they're selling?

when it's Kinect vs. Move, nobody wins

meh.

As always I have both no interest in motion controls nor any fear of them. Still tons of games I get and want to play. But I admit I like to give a little kick to Sony every now and then.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 10, 2010, 12:38:37 PM
Quote
Pachter also noted that one third of PS3 sales were $400 PlayStation Move bundles, versus one half of all Xbox 360 purchases being Kinect bundles. (There are two Kinect bundles, a $300 4GB model and $400 250GB model.) "Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles outsold PS3 Move console bundles by more than 5 to 1," said the analyst. 


 :lol

Kinect effect

 :bow2
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2010, 12:46:38 PM
I used to be extremely pro-sony but goddamn do they fucking suck. The PS3 and PSP are two of the biggest fuck-ups ever but you'll never hear about it moat of the time.


Ever since I got old enough to have a job, I've never been especially pro any corporation. That goes for every purchase in every category. I've always just bought whatever has the games I want. Playstation was king last gen. Who didn't own and love that console...

But this gen once Sony adopted their pricing structure that made it pretty easy to decide which one I wanted at least initially. And then once the PS3 became reasonably affordable I was no longer interested. I had already invested in building up my 360 library and my PC library. So I don't even really desire a PS3 anymore even though the system is perfectly fine.

That's been Sony's problem this entire gen. The console market has always been about being mainstream. And they priced it out of that window.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Third on December 10, 2010, 12:53:12 PM
I used to be extremely pro-sony but goddamn do they fucking suck. The PS3 and PSP are two of the biggest fuck-ups ever but you'll never hear about it moat of the time.

Huh? Both platforms have an amazing game line-up. Maybe a fuck up on a business standpoint. But when it comes to quality, both platforms deliver in big amount.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 10, 2010, 01:09:05 PM
BTW, http://www.yearofps3.com/ has been updated to reflect Sony's glorious victory
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 10, 2010, 01:20:53 PM
:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 10, 2010, 01:24:47 PM
Just bought Infamous, 3D Heroes and Demons Souls for $35 off Gamefly

Quality PS3 Games, the complete series  :bow

I'm hoping Heavy Rain goes on sale for the holiday. They are having holiday sales starting the 21st or so.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2010, 01:55:03 PM
Which one of you is this poster? (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24838694&postcount=1894) :lol

:rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 10, 2010, 02:03:36 PM
Sad.

Fuck you, Evilore.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 10, 2010, 02:04:23 PM
Borys is still a name to reckon with when he's not GET OUT OF HERE STALKER
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 10, 2010, 02:04:25 PM
What's your GAF handle, starselect? I won't tell Evilore, honest.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 10, 2010, 02:05:06 PM
Just bought Infamous, 3D Heroes and Demons Souls for $35 off Gamefly

Quality PS3 Games, the complete series  :bow

I'm hoping Heavy Rain goes on sale for the holiday. They are having holiday sales starting the 21st or so.

Heavy Rain doesn't want to drop below $35, I'm holding out for $20 or $25.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 10, 2010, 02:05:35 PM
It was $20 or so last time it was on sale at GF... I just didnt have reason to buy it at the time.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 10, 2010, 02:10:52 PM
Ah,hitting PS3 fans with reality is not fun anymore.
This NPD sucks

December will be worse

Some people are even blaming Kevin Butler,poor guy :'(
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 10, 2010, 02:24:24 PM
What's your GAF handle, starselect? I won't tell Evilore, honest.

I've already been perm'd, homie.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: cool breeze on December 10, 2010, 02:32:39 PM
with the shooting, yeah, but i'm thinking about all the climbing parts

yeah, that's why I think Infamous 2 with move controls will also have problems.  It's good for normal shooters where you're always controlling the camera, but Uncharted and Infamous have more platformer controls until you hold down the aim button.  Sometimes you're running towards the screen and just need to rotate the camera around the player, not so much aim and all that.  The usual Wii shooter controls don't work well for that and I think it's why you never that in Wii games; non-shooters on the Wii just have camera controls on the d-pad.


also, since there is talk of the move here, sony announced a new official gun thing called the sharp shooter.  It's expensive at $40, but it isn't just mechanical switches like what the Wii or other gun shells normally have.  So the buttons shouldn't have that tug feeling and they're remapped to other parts on the controller (like that button under the trigger is the A...uh, 'move' button.  It's also pump action and has a firing mode switch (I have no idea why).

(http://i.imgur.com/YsqZu.jpg)

I'd totally get it if it was ever cheap.  The main reason I got the move was holding onto the hope that it would get some lightgun shooters; I did the same for the Guncon 3 and that didn't turn out the way I wanted.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 10, 2010, 02:47:45 PM
[youtube=560,345]UAXwwO2ykf0[/youtube]
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2010, 03:01:49 PM
I used to be extremely pro-sony but goddamn do they fucking suck. The PS3 and PSP are two of the biggest fuck-ups ever but you'll never hear about it moat of the time.

psp is hardly a fuck up. It is the most successful rival to nintendo's handheld empire pre-apple. its just that it isn't nearly as popular as the ds and no one buys the games (probably due to the multimedia emphasis). but then everyone is shat on by ds from a great height so that's not really fair.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Beezy on December 10, 2010, 03:19:14 PM
I used to be extremely pro-sony but goddamn do they fucking suck. The PS3 and PSP are two of the biggest fuck-ups ever but you'll never hear about it moat of the time.

psp is hardly a fuck up. It is the most successful rival to nintendo's handheld empire pre-apple. its just that it isn't nearly as popular as the ds and no one buys the games (probably due to the multimedia emphasis). but then everyone is shat on by ds from a great height so that's not really fair.
sounds like a fuck up to me :teehee
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2010, 03:19:44 PM
well, no one buys the bulk of ds games either.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 10, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Speaking of PSP

NPD PSP sales are????

Come on,somebody must know something

They are shit probably,even Sony didn't mention PSP
PSP2 will have a rough start
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2010, 03:30:44 PM
A bomb is a bomb. Saying psp is a fuck up because a niche rpg bombs whereas ds isn't when a niche rpg bombs the same amount is stupid and exposes your own foolish biases.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 10, 2010, 03:32:05 PM
I think it should be made clear that it's fair to consider the PSP a financial failure. For gamers, however, the PSP was a success.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2010, 03:33:45 PM
It's definitely a financial failure, but given the amount of units it has sold worldwide, it's still nothing to scoff at and Sony shouldn't be ashamed of psp, not at all.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: huckleberry on December 10, 2010, 03:37:10 PM
I am just surprised at the awesome fucking games still being released on the PSP.  I'm sure that many of them were in development for a while.....but still.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 10, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
ooooook, glad that's settled
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2010, 03:37:55 PM
How much did Kingdom Hearts: BBS sell?
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 10, 2010, 03:40:47 PM
Look it up
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2010, 03:42:05 PM
make me
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 10, 2010, 03:45:57 PM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/n32rya.png)
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Raban on December 10, 2010, 03:48:27 PM
lmao
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Beezy on December 10, 2010, 03:49:10 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Robo on December 10, 2010, 03:49:32 PM
Achievement Unlocked: stand up to the final boss of evilbore and discover humility  (50GP)
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2010, 03:56:28 PM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/n32rya.png)

do ur worst, snookums
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2010, 04:01:14 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 10, 2010, 04:01:46 PM
 I can only take solace in the fact that I'm living in the only goddam country that seems to have gotten tired of motion controls.  

spoiler (click to show/hide)
oh god why is japan the only sane country wtf twilight zone is this  :usacry :cancry :gbcry
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There's not much evidence for or against this. Wii Party and Wii Sports resort still chart, and otherwise its hard to gauge the public interest when there is no Wii software emphasizing motion control being released.  Although I could give credence to the argument that the poor wii performance in general is a result of disinterest with the platform inherently. Although the fanboy in me wants to attribute, again,  that to the lack of steady releases.

Chickens begetting eggs begetting chickens
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Bocsius on December 10, 2010, 06:53:34 PM
The ban screen is awesome. Seems complicated :lol

What about that seems complicated?

He's Polish.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Third on December 10, 2010, 07:48:17 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 11, 2010, 01:42:41 AM
Borys :bow2


Some numbers
(http://www.gamesetwatch.com/call-of-duty-history-breakdown.png)

It looks like sbots are becoming shooter fans 8)

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The remaining versions of the game -- for the Nintendo DS, Nintendo Wii, and retail sales for Windows PC -- accounted for the other 400,000 units making up the already-confirmed total, with digital sales via outlets such as Steam not taken into account for this total.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/31995/Exclusive_Black_Ops_For_Xbox_360_Sells_Nearly_5_Million_In_US.php (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/31995/Exclusive_Black_Ops_For_Xbox_360_Sells_Nearly_5_Million_In_US.php)
DD sales :bow2

Wii :piss2
DS :piss2

saw this on gaf

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So what will be Sony Killer App for 2011?

Answer:Call of Duty




Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2010, 01:44:46 AM
Seriously, those numbers are pretty good for a 3rd place platform.  As fun as it is to laugh at Sony, the PS3 is probably the strongest 3rd place system ever and it isn't going away anytime soon. 
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 11, 2010, 08:04:43 AM
Move is DOA.

Kinect is doing well only because it is being heavily advertised.  Left to its own devices, it will probably produce Move-like results (ie, shit) within a few months.  I'm still convinced at this time that these are just tests to see what works well and what doesn't for the next generation of systems.  Uncharted 3 not using Move makes sense because Move was never meant to be a serious alternative to playing games on the PS3.  It's just an experimental device.  Also, for major releases, first party developers seem to hold back on motion device gaming.  Nintendo knew that for Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 to be taken seriously, the game had minimal motion control elements.  Even the first party developers know that motion gaming is not to be taken seriously when it comes to a serious effort.

Anyway, the PS3 isn't dead but it is a solidly third place console.  To drop 25% YOY is pathetic but as the last place console, it really doesn't matter.  You know Sony really wants this turd flushed but given the massive amounts of red ink for the system and the huge costs of another system, they're keeping it around to recoup as much of the costs as possible.  Sony is trapped in their own prison.  I wouldn't consider it a failure but had it been a system without having the name "PlayStation" on it, it never would have got off the ground.

I expect Wii sales to be as insane as they were in December 2009, which sold 3 million that month if I recall.  Unless they hit a shortage or something.  Xbox 360 will have significant gains over last year and the PS3 will be at 12/09 levels or less.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 11, 2010, 09:19:50 AM

I'd say there's considerable evidence for it.  Move bombed harder in Japan than anywhere else, Kinect bombed harder in Japan than anywhere else, the Wii sells worse in Japan than anywhere else, literally nothing but Nintendo's major pushed efforts in motion control are selling at all (and in spite of what you believe, there's plenty of motion-based software getting released for the thing, it's just shit-level crap that never gets talked about), and even Nintendo's major pushed efforts are yielding poorer and poorer returns.

If you can find a way to account for all of that occuring without Japan getting tired of motion controls, I'm all ears.

Move is a highly derivative product that makes no attempts at differentiating itself. It comes off a cheap knockoff like the Vii systems in the USA preloaded with a bunch of genesis roms.  Kinect is going to bomb no matter what, theres no salvaging the xbox brand in Japan.

As to your next points, I HAVE been paying attention to media create threads for the longest, so I'm well aware of the situation in japan right now. That situation being whereas the ps3 sells more than the wii, but the ps3 itself is not selling well, just better. That might have something to do with -as I said- no steady stream of software for the wii  to prop itself up between tentpole releases. We both know Wii Party is doing well, and I honestly don't expect amateur hour software utilizing motion control to stand out to consumers either. Unless your data suggests that outside of Japan its the typical norm for certain shovelware to sell hundreds of thousands of units
spoiler (click to show/hide)
let's ignore Just dance
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. Again I don't have access to any data like that, so I'll concede the point if that's the case.

I still think motion controls are desirable to many many people worldwide, its just that they aren't being served with new desirable software. Nintendo made the huge mistake of expecting third parties to pick up the slack, while releasing nothing for long periods of time. They have failed to capitalize on their new customers as a result.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 11, 2010, 09:39:01 AM
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Kinect is doing well only because it is being heavily advertised.

wrong.

Kinect has a really good word of mouth and mass market loves it.Wii is an old hat now,it has a price advantage,but that is it

people are like

"My family wanted a Wii but we got Kinect instead.It was really expensive but totally worth it"



Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 11, 2010, 09:53:53 AM
I think the idea that people are choosing one over the other is a faulty analysis. Wii sold as well this holiday as it did last year in spite of the Kinect launch.  Kinect hasn't effected its appeal, at least not yet.  There's also the question if Kinect is going to sustain its momentum going into the next year, and I'm not really seeing any software to do that. Sure Suda guy and Panzer Dragoon guy and other niche guys are making games for it, but when did Sin and Punishment 2 and No More Heroes do for sustaining Wii sales? NNNOOOOOOOTTHHHIIIIIIIINNG.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: iconoclast on December 11, 2010, 10:01:04 AM
I think MS is funding those games (and Steel Battalion) solely to attract the gamer who was 100% never going to buy a Kinect in the first place. Well that's how they got me on board, anyway.

There will still be all the big mainstream games with Kinect features. Like the rumored Gears Kinect or whatever
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Purple Filth on December 11, 2010, 11:58:27 AM
Move is a highly derivative product that makes no attempts at differentiating itself. It comes off a cheap knockoff like the Vii systems in the USA preloaded with a bunch of genesis roms.  Kinect is going to bomb no matter what, theres no salvaging the xbox brand in Japan.

As to your next points, I HAVE been paying attention to media create threads for the longest, so I'm well aware of the situation in japan right now. That situation being whereas the ps3 sells more than the wii, but the ps3 itself is not selling well, just better. That might have something to do with -as I said- no steady stream of software for the wii  to prop itself up between tentpole releases. We both know Wii Party is doing well, and I honestly don't expect amateur hour software utilizing motion control to stand out to consumers either. Unless your data suggests that outside of Japan its the typical norm for certain shovelware to sell hundreds of thousands of units
spoiler (click to show/hide)
let's ignore Just dance
[close]
. Again I don't have access to any data like that, so I'll concede the point if that's the case.

I still think motion controls are desirable to many many people worldwide, its just that they aren't being served with new desirable software. Nintendo made the huge mistake of expecting third parties to pick up the slack, while releasing nothing for long periods of time. They have failed to capitalize on their new customers as a result.

Ehn, whatever duder.  I didn't have the energy to argue with people about this shit at GAF anymore, I'm certainly not going to do it here.  I bow to your superior knowledge of the Japanese people.

Didn't know he lived in Japan now.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 11, 2010, 05:40:51 PM
Move is a highly derivative product that makes no attempts at differentiating itself. It comes off a cheap knockoff like the Vii systems in the USA preloaded with a bunch of genesis roms.  Kinect is going to bomb no matter what, theres no salvaging the xbox brand in Japan.

As to your next points, I HAVE been paying attention to media create threads for the longest, so I'm well aware of the situation in japan right now. That situation being whereas the ps3 sells more than the wii, but the ps3 itself is not selling well, just better. That might have something to do with -as I said- no steady stream of software for the wii  to prop itself up between tentpole releases. We both know Wii Party is doing well, and I honestly don't expect amateur hour software utilizing motion control to stand out to consumers either. Unless your data suggests that outside of Japan its the typical norm for certain shovelware to sell hundreds of thousands of units
spoiler (click to show/hide)
let's ignore Just dance
[close]
. Again I don't have access to any data like that, so I'll concede the point if that's the case.

I still think motion controls are desirable to many many people worldwide, its just that they aren't being served with new desirable software. Nintendo made the huge mistake of expecting third parties to pick up the slack, while releasing nothing for long periods of time. They have failed to capitalize on their new customers as a result.

Ehn, whatever duder.  I didn't have the energy to argue with people about this shit at GAF anymore, I'm certainly not going to do it here.  I bow to your superior knowledge of the Japanese people.

But you live in japan and I don't ... you facetious bastard!
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: SantaC on December 11, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
DKC didnt do so bad for a Wii game. Certainly better than Other M...

the broken waggle in DKC is the thing that putting me off...
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 13, 2010, 11:56:59 AM
Gamasutra article

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6230/npd_behind_the_numbers_november_.php (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6230/npd_behind_the_numbers_november_.php)

Yeah,360 is dominating

(http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/feature/6230/nov-2010-current-gen-marketshare.png)
 :bow

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For example, looking just at the effect of hardware bundle sales, we believe that Microsoft's average price for an Xbox 360 sold in November was around $290, which is more than $40 more than last month's average. Moreover, Wedbush's Pachter commented in his notes to investors that one half of all Xbox 360 systems sold in November were bundled with Kinect.
:bow

Some interesting stuff about Sony

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While the hardware bundles were modestly popular in October (when 1/3 of PS3 hardware systems were Move bundles), that popularity has waned through November with the fraction of Move bundles falling to 1/5.

According to Wedbush's Pacter, PS3 titles with “Move” in the title have sold fewer than 200,000 units collectively. (That doesn't count games that have been retrofitted for Move compatibility.)

Top 5 Move games

(http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/feature/6230/move-top-5-nov-2010.png)


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As for Sony's other systems, the PS2 and PSP, we have little to say. The PSP's hardware sales of about 288,000 units were practically flat in November compared to November 2009. At the same time, software sales have tumbled further, to about half the level seen in November last year.

It is becoming extremely difficult to explain why hardware sales continue at an extremely modest pace while software sales go to zero, outside of some explanation involving firmware hacks and illegally distributed software copies.

If consumer are buying the PSP as a media device only, they are inexplicably declining to purchase more powerful and more feature-rich devices at a similar price.

Finally, the venerable PS2 will probably be considered a dead system after this Christmas. With November sales around 80,000 units, this is the first year since its launch in October 2000 that the system has not sold more than 1 million units.


Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2010, 12:06:19 PM
I think the idea that people are choosing one over the other is a faulty analysis. Wii sold as well this holiday as it did last year in spite of the Kinect launch.  Kinect hasn't effected its appeal, at least not yet.  There's also the question if Kinect is going to sustain its momentum going into the next year, and I'm not really seeing any software to do that. Sure Suda guy and Panzer Dragoon guy and other niche guys are making games for it, but when did Sin and Punishment 2 and No More Heroes do for sustaining Wii sales? NNNOOOOOOOTTHHHIIIIIIIINNG.
You're also forgetting that the 360, unlike the Wii, is very much a hardcore system and a casual system at the same time.  There is room for those types of titles on the 360, not so much the Wii.  No parent is going to look at that and say "eh, I'll get this for the kid" but there are hundreds of thousands of young gamers who will totally get it for themselves.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2010, 12:07:17 PM
R.U.S.E. made the top five.  :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 13, 2010, 12:30:08 PM
It's not even worth the effort arguing with you xshits on this dead forum anymore. I rather argue at SA.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 13, 2010, 12:33:12 PM
it's hard to argue with numbers!  there's all kinds of math involved!
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: cool breeze on December 13, 2010, 12:35:36 PM
the maths are passé
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2010, 12:37:11 PM
It's not even worth the effort arguing with you xshits on this dead forum anymore. I rather argue at SA.

My favorite part about Sonybots is their genuine confusion about how this gen went down. They honestly can't fathom how their system didn't rock the shit out of the world. I mean its got Uncharted and Gran Tourismo after all!
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 13, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
I think the idea that people are choosing one over the other is a faulty analysis. Wii sold as well this holiday as it did last year in spite of the Kinect launch.  Kinect hasn't effected its appeal, at least not yet.  There's also the question if Kinect is going to sustain its momentum going into the next year, and I'm not really seeing any software to do that. Sure Suda guy and Panzer Dragoon guy and other niche guys are making games for it, but when did Sin and Punishment 2 and No More Heroes do for sustaining Wii sales? NNNOOOOOOOTTHHHIIIIIIIINNG.
You're also forgetting that the 360, unlike the Wii, is very much a hardcore system and a casual system at the same time.  There is room for those types of titles on the 360, not so much the Wii.  No parent is going to look at that and say "eh, I'll get this for the kid" but there are hundreds of thousands of young gamers who will totally get it for themselves.

I'm specifically referring to the long term appeal of Kinect, not the host console.  Hardcores have made it plenty clear that the notion of having to exert ones self is a hostile threat to their hobby.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 13, 2010, 02:01:15 PM
It's not even worth the effort arguing with you xshits on this dead forum anymore. I rather argue at SA.

Cool, so be distinguished mentally-challenged there. You are welcome to act normal here. Thanks.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2010, 02:08:56 PM
I think the idea that people are choosing one over the other is a faulty analysis. Wii sold as well this holiday as it did last year in spite of the Kinect launch.  Kinect hasn't effected its appeal, at least not yet.  There's also the question if Kinect is going to sustain its momentum going into the next year, and I'm not really seeing any software to do that. Sure Suda guy and Panzer Dragoon guy and other niche guys are making games for it, but when did Sin and Punishment 2 and No More Heroes do for sustaining Wii sales? NNNOOOOOOOTTHHHIIIIIIIINNG.
You're also forgetting that the 360, unlike the Wii, is very much a hardcore system and a casual system at the same time.  There is room for those types of titles on the 360, not so much the Wii.  No parent is going to look at that and say "eh, I'll get this for the kid" but there are hundreds of thousands of young gamers who will totally get it for themselves.

I'm specifically referring to the long term appeal of Kinect, not the host console.  Hardcores have made it plenty clear that the notion of having to exert ones self is a hostile threat to their hobby.
I dunno.  I think a lot of hardcore gamers are against it, but tons of them bought the Wii when it came out and cried when hardcore games on the system tanked.  I think they're open to it but were burned pretty hard with the Wii.  But I guess we'll find out when hardcore Kinect games actually make it out.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: magus on December 13, 2010, 04:28:29 PM
This is like that flood scene from Fantasia, but instead of water, its fanboy tears.

so it's like this?

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKSM49o3SzQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 15, 2010, 11:58:50 AM
stolen from gaf,source is Jeffries.

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Our checks indicate a near nationwide sellout of Kinect, which is on pace to be the fastest-selling device of all time. We have lifted our forward ests. Kinect is also an important psychological win for Microsoft and its success may help neutralize the current negative
sentiment on the stock.

It is selling at 2.5x the rate of the iPad since debut: Kinect is on track to sell 100,000 units per day through Christmas (five million units over 50 days); the iPad sold 1mm units in the first 27 days it was available. However, Kinect sales are likely to slow post the holiday season.
Still, the technology has applicability beyond gaming, and we see Kinect as an important psychological win for Microsoft as it seeks to regain relevance in consumer tech.

SF chronicles has summary also
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/12/15/businessinsider-microsoft-getting-an-important-psychological-win-with-kinect-2010-12.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/12/15/businessinsider-microsoft-getting-an-important-psychological-win-with-kinect-2010-12.DTL)
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 15, 2010, 01:12:42 PM
You know what is most amazing about this NPD is that CoD has become so popular that the PS3 version nipped at the heels of Halo Reach for first month sales.  It kind of puts in perspective how much the game has outpaced everything else out there.

:bow Activision :bow2
:bow Blizzard :bow2
:bow Activision Blizzard :bow2

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:piss Guitar Hero :piss2
:piss Tony Hawk :piss2
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Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 15, 2010, 01:13:37 PM
COD has become what Madden used to be.  People buy it on day 1 before even reading reviews or getting feedback from friends.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 15, 2010, 01:16:46 PM
COD is like PS3 Halo.It helps the system much more than any exclusive game.Those millions will be there next year too.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2010, 01:33:12 PM
I'll admit the success level of the Kinect has surprised me. Although MS has done a good job of selling the no controller aspect to casuals.

The move has died like I expected. Kinect seems to get a bump because its different than the other two. Move is like another Wii so nobody cares. They already have the Wiii and have seen the tech. Extra precision is meaningless much as it was with Wii Motion plus to the average consumer.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2010, 01:34:35 PM
Does Kinect come with a game? Kinda surprising it's doing so well without a killer app
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2010, 01:36:47 PM
Does Kinect come with a game? Kinda surprising it's doing so well without a killer app


http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_dp_ts_vg_1


It comes with Kinect Adventures.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Brehvolution on December 15, 2010, 03:17:17 PM
COD is like PS3 Halo.It helps the system much more than any exclusive game.Those millions will be there next year too.

Browsing the gaf thread, the PS3 MP is shit and a lot of people are pissed off to the point of selling the game.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 15, 2010, 03:27:27 PM
Yeah, just read on Eurogamer that the new patch screwed over the PS3 version.   :lol at the multiple-system gamers who bought the PS3 version because they didn't want to pay for XBL or just because they prefer buying stuff for the PS3. 
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2010, 03:48:33 PM
I love how Sony has failed to emulate Nintendo twice now. I had almost forgotten about the laughable gyro controller shit they threw together back when Lair was considered a potential hit. From what I've heard Move works really well, but at the end of they day casuals already have the Wii and the hardcore already rejected the tech. There's really no ground for them to plant a flag here.

In a couple years I'm sure they'll have a new must-have addon that Sony fans will hype then dismiss once it fails.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 15, 2010, 03:51:16 PM
HOME

ROOM

MOVE

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HOME
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Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 15, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
I would get a move controller and the add-on gun gadget if not for the stupid ball that ruins an otherwise pretty cool design. 

(http://cdn.nexus404.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads2/2010/10/CTA-Digital-Playstation-Move-Submachine-Gun.jpg)
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2010, 03:52:27 PM
I'm sure the move is actually a decent motion controller. But after somebody climbs everest you don't want to be the next guy who comes along just to say, "I climbed it faster" and try to plant your flag. There is no mind share in that.

Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2010, 03:54:14 PM
I'm sure the move is actually a decent motion controller. But after somebody climbs everest you don't want to be the next guy who comes along just to say, "I climbed it faster" and try to plant your flag. There is no mind share in that.



unless you're Apple
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 15, 2010, 04:04:33 PM
i think the move is gonna do all right in the long run, it'll never be a blockbuster for them but it'll putter along enough for them not to just drop it cold (i do expect that $100 bundle to get a $20 price cut before next summer)

even if they were to only sell through the 4 million they shipped, that's a decent percentage alone to end up getting a few cool games out of it

best thing about it is that, aside from move-specific games, it's an entirely optional control method, so i'll mostly stick to buying games i was gonna buy anyway and consider any move support a neat little bonus

for the $50 i spent i'm enjoying it, it does what it was advertised to do
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 15, 2010, 04:09:51 PM
Eel, are you getting the gun add-on?
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 15, 2010, 04:15:22 PM
nah, at $40 it's nearly as much as the wand :lol
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 15, 2010, 04:16:24 PM
The wands themselves are just fine for Time Crisis. Plus I have no plan to buy MAG or Killzone 3.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: naff on December 15, 2010, 04:18:58 PM
If I had to choose I'd unreservedly get Move over Kinect. I like Dance Central but it's not like I get all hyped about playing it and I still find the game frustrating, and I can't stand playing Kinectimals or Adventures. I can definitely see Kinect continuing to be far more popular/successful than Move though.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 15, 2010, 04:22:12 PM
if i were going to buy a gun shell add-on it would be the official sony "sharpshooter" one, though - it maps all the buttons onto the gun itself instead of just using a mechanical trigger to pull the trigger on the wand
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2010, 04:26:30 PM
I'm pretty consistent. I don't want any of them. Finally dumped my Wii. Motion control free outside of my iphone.

I realized I don't really like motion control in my consoles and I was originally very open minded about that stuff. But I eventually realized it's not why I play those games on those platforms. I'm cool with going over to somebody's house to play the latest version of some motion controlled activity in a party format but when I'm home alone, its the last thing I want to do.

I tolerate it on an iphone or ipad but that's mainly because I can lie on my ass in bed and do that stuff.

Those devices are in general for a different kind of consumer. Which is fine. I'm just not that consumer.

If Kinect was maybe something that enhanced games I already played with the gamepad I could potentially see some interesting uses there. But they've yet to demonstrate that.


Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 15, 2010, 04:29:52 PM
it does look pretty cool:

http://playfront.de/killzone-3-sharp-shooter-interview-mit-spielszenen/

i just don't think i'd get $40 worth of use out of it
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 15, 2010, 04:46:43 PM
Motion controls aren't my bag either, but the Move stuff was a gift, so I gave it a shot. Haven't touched it in about a month now.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: cool breeze on December 15, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
yeah, $40 is a bit much considering there are few to no games I'd want to play with it, but it looks like the most solid gun controller between the PS3 and Wii.

and I'm not investing in any other move hardware until there is software to use with it.  I have what I got with the bundle: the move, sports champions, and the camera (well, I had the camera so I sold the bundle one).  I'm fine with using my dual shock 3 as the nunchuck if there is that one game I'd like to play (Sorcery).  They should at least bring some of the better Wii games like Boom Blox or House of the Dead Overkill to PSN to give it something.  I might get Dead Space Extraction if it is a PSN game and not on the blu-ray since I plan to get DS2 on PC.

I haven't used the move since that two week window after it was released.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 15, 2010, 04:51:29 PM
I've got Tumble, Sports Champions and Time Crisis Razing Storm.

I'd love to see the Gundam Wii game make it's way to Move, but I kinda doubt that will happen.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 16, 2010, 02:49:37 AM
COD is like PS3 Halo.It helps the system much more than any exclusive game.Those millions will be there next year too.

Browsing the gaf thread, the PS3 MP is shit and a lot of people are pissed off to the point of selling the game.

Gaf is a bad mass market indicator,besides if it's that bad it will get fixed.COD is like this gen GTA,people really love it,flaws will be forgiven.

It has a huge social component too,people won't move to other games(systems) unless their friends do(highly unlikely).I'm also convinced that tons of people play only COD and patiently wait next iteration.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 03:08:44 AM
I love how Sony has failed to emulate Nintendo twice now. I had almost forgotten about the laughable gyro controller shit they threw together back when Lair was considered a potential hit. From what I've heard Move works really well, but at the end of they day casuals already have the Wii and the hardcore already rejected the tech. There's really no ground for them to plant a flag here.

In a couple years I'm sure they'll have a new must-have addon that Sony fans will hype then dismiss once it fails.

I just realized that I have yet to use the PS3 gyro controls even once in a game. It's been years! Holy crap, what a pointless fiasco.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 24, 2010, 11:52:23 AM
Some dude from gaf claims that he snapped this from GT invisible podcast

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/pslayer666_2/npda.jpg)


Ok,who bought those 4 Gamecubes?
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: demi on December 24, 2010, 11:56:10 AM
Gamecube beats Xbox, suck it down Oscar
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2010, 12:04:40 PM
:bow Gamecube :bow2
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 24, 2010, 02:46:45 PM
few more figures

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A couple more figures from the IW episode:
Dance Central - 350k
Halo Reach - 355k
Need For Speed Hot Pursuit PS3 - 203k
Need For Speed Hot Pursuit 360 - 201k
Metroid Other M LTD ~ 300k
Iron Man 2 DS - >40k

41. FIFA 360 - 98k
Number 60 game sold about 75k.

Since NFS sold 417k total, that'd mean the PC/Wii games did 13k total.

Dance Central :bow2
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 24, 2010, 06:39:04 PM
Gamecube video output still is superior to Wii's
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: maxy on December 25, 2010, 02:52:42 AM
post was updated

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A couple more figures from the IW episode:
Dance Central - 350k
Kinect Sports - 323k
Halo Reach - 355k
Need For Speed Hot Pursuit PS3 - 203k
Need For Speed Hot Pursuit 360 - 201k
Metroid Other M LTD ~ 300k
Iron Man 2 DS - >40k
Michael Jackson The Experience ~ 100k
Goldeneye Wii - 73k

36. Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2 360
41. FIFA 360 - 98k
Number 60 game sold about 75k.

Wheel of Fortune Wii > Kinectimals

Since NFS sold 417k total, that'd mean the PC/Wii games did 13k total.

Skittles :(

Goldeneye didn't sell much...hmm
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 25, 2010, 10:19:09 AM
I remember Anihawk mentioning that its doing better than the Modern Warfare port in a similar timeframe, which eventually went on to sell 500k (not 1 million like was previously claimed).  I'd be pretty happy if goldeneye sold a few hundred thousand, its a nice game.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 25, 2010, 10:41:44 AM
I see/overhear a lot of ads for Goldeneye.

I don't know if Nintards were screeching about the lack of advertisement (a favorite excuse of fanboys) but that certainly isn't an issue.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 25, 2010, 11:08:02 AM
I think I remember that the game had like the largest development team that was ever put on a Wii game outside of Nintendo. That actually makes me sad because I wonder if they are going to make their money back.  Not like it was ever going to be easy to follow up anyway, but still.
Title: Re: November NPD
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 25, 2010, 02:02:23 PM
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Wheel of Fortune Wii > Kinectimals

lol

Wii SD > Wii HD