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Title: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2011, 11:00:03 AM
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Whether or not illegal copies circulating on the internet reduce the sales of legal products has been a hot issue in the entertainment industries. Though much empirical research has been conducted on the music industry, research on the movie industry has been very limited. This paper examines the effects of the movie sharing site Youtube and file sharing program Winny on DVD sales and rentals of Japanese TV animation programs. Estimated equations of 105 anime episodes show that (1) Youtube viewing does not negatively affect DVD rentals, and it appears to help raise DVD sales; and (2) although Winny file sharing negatively affects DVD rentals, it does not affect DVD sales. Youtube’s effect of boosting DVD sales can be seen after the TV’s broadcasting of the series has concluded, which suggests that not just a few people learned about the program via a Youtube viewing. In other words YouTube can be interpreted as a promotion tool for DVD sales.

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The effect of YouTube on sales was particularly pronounced in the case of shows which had finished airing on TV. We can think of this as people who never saw the broadcasts becoming fans by way of YouTube and then going on to buy the DVDs.

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3. There is no clear effect on DVD rentals from YouTube. At the very least we can say it seems YouTube has no adverse effect on DVD rentals.

4. Winny file-sharing has no effect on DVD sales, but does appear to decrease DVD rentals. People who download anime via Winny appear to be using it not to replace their purchases, but to replace their rentals.

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Copyright holders who dislike YouTube and persistently request their works to be deleted from YouTube are likely to be harming their own business.

http://www.rieti.go.jp/en/publications/summary/11010021.html
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2011, 01:19:23 PM
youtube=piracy in what world

Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2011, 01:34:57 PM
youtube=piracy in what world

Well, you're watching an episode of a show for free and the creators/licensor aren't getting anything in return [unless it's a sanctioned release].
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
Yea but I think it's ridiculous one can claim because youtube doesn't negatively effect sales, piracy therefore doesn't - and in fact increases sales. That's an utterly ridiculous assumption, especially when you consider how certain mediums like anime or music have been hurt by piracy (among other things, to be fair).

Youtube is a great way to advertise a product. I go there to watch clips or trailers of stuff I eventually buy, rent, or go see at the theater. It's not surprising it helps DVD sales because it is indeed promotion. But I certainly don't think youtube can be considered "piracy" in general. Sure some films and animes are on there illegally, but it's not the norm.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: archie4208 on February 03, 2011, 01:58:26 PM
I've pirated games before and enjoyed them enough to buy them
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on Steam sales :shh
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Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 03, 2011, 02:01:49 PM
suck my ball archie
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 03, 2011, 02:04:55 PM
Whatever you need to justify piracy, duder.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: archie4208 on February 03, 2011, 02:07:01 PM
[youtube=560,345]pLC_zZ5fqFk[/youtube]

1:30

:bow Gabe Newell :bow2
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 03, 2011, 02:46:37 PM
I buy anime only after I have pirated it first to make sure I actually like it.  Same goes for movies.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: drew on February 03, 2011, 03:43:04 PM
utter and complete bullshit

I buy anime only after I have pirated it first to make sure I actually like it.  Same goes for movies.

haha you watch anime
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: Vizzys on February 03, 2011, 04:22:20 PM
clearly buying anime is a fools game

because of the shame you will never live down by friends and loved ones when you are branded weeaboo for life
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: demi on February 03, 2011, 04:29:40 PM
Tasting anime like the fine cuisine that it is
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy increases sales
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2011, 06:35:14 PM
Rather than justifying piracy, this report justifies increased streaming of anime. Would be nice to see that catch on even more.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 03, 2011, 06:49:26 PM
considering you can get free, legit streams on a shitload of anime (thanks Hulu, etc.), and now simultaneous broadcasting of fresh Japanese stuff, why would anybody need to pirate anime?
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2011, 06:51:07 PM
Free streaming is still a bit crummy, like Hulu doesn't even have anything above 480p.

And there are still quite a few shows each season which aren't streamed, free or otherwise.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 03, 2011, 06:55:34 PM
say I wanna watch Monster (which I do) or Baccano (also on my to do list), but I don't wanna pay any money for it.  Is there any way that pirating it through either torrents, download, or unauthorized streams is going to be either easier to do or will result in a better quality product then what is already officially available for free?

unless there is, and there exists a sizable gap in those terms, then anybody who chooses to pirate say, just those shows particular is being nothing else but a massive cock-knocker.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2011, 07:06:53 PM
Most new anime shows can be downloaded in 720p, which is higher than anything on Hulu or the free version of Crunchyroll. There's also BD rips of slightly older shows. That's the big difference between pirating and legal streaming [disregarding availability, since not all shows are streamed].

Piracy probably past its heyday though, especially now that legal streaming is catching a bigger foothold.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 03, 2011, 07:47:07 PM
considering you can get free, legit streams on a shitload of anime (thanks Hulu, etc.), and now simultaneous broadcasting of fresh Japanese stuff, why would anybody need to pirate anime?

I'm in Canada.  I use legit sites when I can, like for One Piece, but most of the time I don't have the option.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2011, 07:48:28 PM
That's a big factor in keeping piracy relevant, that streaming is hit and miss outside of the US. I know France has some kind of streaming, since they were showing Fractale in HD even after it was yanked temporarily from Funimation.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Diunx on February 03, 2011, 09:08:23 PM
I pirate shit all the time and never buy anything :rock

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I did buy MGS2 recently cus the dvd I took from my cousin's place was scratched. :shh
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Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 03, 2011, 09:11:10 PM
I pirate shit all the time and never but anything :rock

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I did buy MGS2 recently cus the dvd I took from my cousin's place was scratched. :shh
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well aren't you just THE MAN
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Diunx on February 03, 2011, 09:19:45 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 03, 2011, 09:24:59 PM
I never pirate anymore.

The closest thing to pirating I do is watch free streaming porn and play SNES roms that I downloaded a half decade ago.  I thank my piss poor internet connection out in the boondocks for that.

I pirate shit all the time and never buy anything :rock

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I did buy MGS2 recently cus the dvd I took from my cousin's place was scratched. :shh
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I imagine many businesses have written off third world countries like the Dominican Republic because the tiny amount of revenue they could get from their products isn't worth their time to bother.  So you may as well pirate.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 04, 2011, 12:56:04 AM
American weaboos have no right to complain about anime DVD/BD prices, real talk. They sell DVDs here with 1 or 2 episodes for like 5000 yen. THAT'S 60 AMERISTACKS, YO. Another example: Akira BD in Japan costs $80 USD, $30 in the US. Smh

You can rent here for filthy cheap, though.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 04, 2011, 01:41:03 AM
American weaboos have no right to complain about anime DVD/BD prices, real talk. They sell DVDs here with 1 or 2 episodes for like 5000 yen. THAT'S 60 AMERISTACKS, YO. Another example: Akira BD in Japan costs $80 USD, $30 in the US. Smh

All complaints are relative. Anime used to be $30 for 3-4 episodes, compared to a fraction for all 26 episodes of some American TV show. So people complained.

Japan's just crazy though.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Trent Dole on February 04, 2011, 12:39:54 PM
The fuck is Winny?
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 04, 2011, 12:55:26 PM
The fuck is Winny?

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/winnie_the_pooh.jpg)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winny
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Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: chronovore on February 05, 2011, 04:42:54 AM
American weaboos have no right to complain about anime DVD/BD prices, real talk. They sell DVDs here with 1 or 2 episodes for like 5000 yen. THAT'S 60 AMERISTACKS, YO. Another example: Akira BD in Japan costs $80 USD, $30 in the US. Smh

You can rent here for filthy cheap, though.

Well, the US rates for rentals are cheaper, especially depending on the service you're using. Let alone all that free crap I can't access from here on Hulu.

But, YES, it's funny to watch the late-arrival anime fans show up to shop and see the ¥8000 price tags on a "box set," which is actually the first DVD and a collector's box for the to-be-released DVDs, which is represented by a placeholder piece of foam or cardboard. ell oh ell.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: bork on February 08, 2011, 08:38:08 PM
Dear anime industry,

Where the fuck is all the shit that I would actually buy?  Where is Detroit Metal City?  Where is Panty&Stocking With Garterbelt?  Where is Working!!?  Where is High School Of The Dead?  Where is Durarara?  Put out some more shit other than Naruto and moeeeeeeee and maybe I'll buy something.

American weaboos have no right to complain about anime DVD/BD prices, real talk. They sell DVDs here with 1 or 2 episodes for like 5000 yen. THAT'S 60 AMERISTACKS, YO. Another example: Akira BD in Japan costs $80 USD, $30 in the US. Smh


So the prices have gone down?   :lol
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 08, 2011, 08:45:20 PM
Where is Durarara?

http://store.bandai-ent.com/durarara
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: bork on February 08, 2011, 08:46:30 PM
"Part 1" is $42?  No blu-ray?

 :lol

I'm not paying $120+ for some DVDs.  Fuck off, Bandai.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Vizzys on February 08, 2011, 09:28:55 PM
celty-san keychain~
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 08, 2011, 09:32:41 PM
"Part 1" is $42?  No blu-ray?

 :lol

I'm not paying $120+ for some DVDs.  Fuck off, Bandai.

Wait, they're releasing it in 3 parts? Laaaaaame.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 08, 2011, 09:51:14 PM
For the last time: NO!
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 08, 2011, 10:00:54 PM
Sooo...8 episodes for $40? That's pretty old school. But it is Bandai, they're charging $40 an episode for Gundam Unicorn.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Oblivion on February 08, 2011, 10:07:07 PM
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Japanese report: Piracy is still bad

So Himuro still hasn't learned his lesson?
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 12:43:02 AM
I haven't pirated an anime in such a long ass time. Maybe a year and half. I do all my anime watching via stream these days. :(
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 09, 2011, 02:41:17 AM
there is a difference between streaming and piracy?
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 02:43:00 AM
When the streaming site is owned and hosted by the people who license the anime, legally, yes.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 09, 2011, 02:54:19 AM
 Where is Panty&Stocking With Garterbelt? 
Why watch hentai when you can get real, unpixelated AV over here?  It's really hard to understand you Japanese sometimes.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 09, 2011, 04:50:38 AM
When the streaming site is owned and hosted by the people who license the anime, legally, yes.

huh. Had no idea this was a thing. I thought all the anime places were super-uptight about their content.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 08:19:14 AM
Some are but if it means less piracy...
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 09, 2011, 09:13:38 AM
goddamn i wish i could go back in time and stop myself from buying DVDs
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 09:35:23 AM
http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=shows

I watch One Piece every week via stream. It shows up on funimation's website one hour after it airs in Japan. Translated. In English. With better subs and translations than fan subber quality. :smug
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: brob on February 09, 2011, 09:56:06 AM
I'm plenty annoyed that these streams are region locked. They seem like a good deal.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2011, 10:24:37 AM
goddamn i wish i could go back in time and stop myself from buying DVDs

http://www.hulu.com/channels/Animation-and-Cartoons/Anime

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime

 Where is Panty&Stocking With Garterbelt? 
Why watch hentai when you can get real, unpixelated AV over here?  It's really hard to understand you Japanese sometimes.


::)
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2011, 11:23:10 AM
Where is Hand Maid May????
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 11:52:15 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2011, 01:15:59 PM
I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2011, 01:38:17 PM
I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.

I actually bought that show on DVD [for $15] not too long ago. It's kind of a standard late 90's/early 00's scifi/romance anime, but I've seen worse.

Edit: I was going to say that it cropped during the post-Mahoromatic/Chobits android-girl craze, but it actually predates both of those [but not the Mahoromatic manga]. Hmm...all 3 might have cropped up following the success of Steel Angel Kurumi, perhaps?

Edit 2: The only really bad thing about Hand Maid May is the inclusion of late-90's/early-00's mandated super-annoying, hyper-active main character rival whose only purpose is to provide dumb comic relief from time to time. But instead of being funny, he's just really annoying.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 09, 2011, 01:49:29 PM
Give me giant robots or give me death.

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Gundam is the only one that's got a chance for localization anymore. Thanks Uguu-tards.
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Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2011, 01:55:02 PM
I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.

I actually bought that show on DVD [for $15] not too long ago. It's kind of a standard late 90's/early 00's scifi/romance anime, but I've seen worse.

Edit: I was going to say that it cropped during the post-Mahoromatic/Chobits android-girl craze, but it actually predates both of those [but not the Mahoromatic manga]. Hmm...all 3 might have cropped up following the success of Steel Angel Kurumi, perhaps?

Edit 2: The only really bad thing about Hand Maid May is the inclusion of late-90's/early-00's mandated super-annoying, hyper-active main character rival whose only purpose is to provide dumb comic relief from time to time. But instead of being funny, he's just really annoying.
So it actually holds up?  I can handle that.  I legitimately liked it when I was younger and I'm not a fan of anime outside of DBZ and Hand Maid May.  Maybe you can recommend something else?  I don't have anything against anime.  I just haven't seen one that has interested me since early high school. 
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 02:04:23 PM
I can recommend a whole slew of good anime. Some of which are on netflix.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
hook me up then, brotha. 
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.

I actually bought that show on DVD [for $15] not too long ago. It's kind of a standard late 90's/early 00's scifi/romance anime, but I've seen worse.

Edit: I was going to say that it cropped during the post-Mahoromatic/Chobits android-girl craze, but it actually predates both of those [but not the Mahoromatic manga]. Hmm...all 3 might have cropped up following the success of Steel Angel Kurumi, perhaps?

Edit 2: The only really bad thing about Hand Maid May is the inclusion of late-90's/early-00's mandated super-annoying, hyper-active main character rival whose only purpose is to provide dumb comic relief from time to time. But instead of being funny, he's just really annoying.
So it actually holds up?  I can handle that.  I legitimately liked it when I was younger and I'm not a fan of anime outside of DBZ and Hand Maid May.  Maybe you can recommend something else?  I don't have anything against anime.  I just haven't seen one that has interested me since early high school. 

For the kind of show that it is, it's not bad. Nothing exceptional or great, although part of that may be that there's so many copy-cats since then that HMM feels dated and cliche as a result. It's lighthearted fun without being overtly offensive to the senses.

If you're looking for something in a similar vein, I'd suggest Vandread. It's free on Hulu [both seasons] and draws from the same kind of lighthearted romantic humor, and it also has mechas. Vandread has a bit more fanservice, although most of [and the worst of it] is relegated to the ED.

Another from the light-humor/scifi genre, would be Irresponsible Captain Tylor. It's got scifi battles, an alien princess, and an inept starship captain who somehow manages to be the hero of the galaxy because his ineptitude is so amazingly impressive.

Or you can go for the original lighthearted romance scifi harem and watch Martian Successor Nadesico.

I'm just kind of winging it here, if you want something more specific then let me know.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2011, 02:20:04 PM
Sweet.  Thanks, dude.  How about something along the lines of DBZ.  Action, cheesy, not overly invested into story or character development (I guess that depends on what version of DBZ you're watching too.)  I've also read some Naruto manga.  It was okay, but I don't know if the anime is better or not.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2011, 02:23:09 PM
Sweet.  Thanks, dude.  How about something along the lines of DBZ.  Action, cheesy, not overly invested into story or character development (I guess that depends on what version of DBZ you're watching too.)  I've also read some Naruto manga.  It was okay, but I don't know if the anime is better or not.

Oh, I've got a good one for this:

http://www.hulu.com/fist-of-the-north-star
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 02:28:24 PM
Actually, netflix's anime selection isn't the greatest, but...

Anything bold is highly suggested.

For stream:

- Lupin the 3rd: The Castle of Cagliostro - action adventure/comedy - movie
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - sci-fi action/drama - tv series
- The Place Promised in Our Early Days - alternative history/fantasy - movie



Disc:

- Paprika - fantasy - movie
Memories - sci/fi - movie
Tokyo Godfathers - drama - movie[/b]
- Tekkon Kinkreet - drama - movie
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind - fantasy - movie
My Neighbor Totoro - fantasy - movie (watch this with your little girl
Whisper of the Heart - drama - movie
Cromartie High School - comedy - tv series - you may like this i dunno.
Metropolis - sci fi/drama - movie
Perfect Blue - drama/mystery thriller - movie
Millennium Actress - drama - movie
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time - fantasy - movie
Kino's Journey - fantasy/philosophical - tv series

Mostly went with films but also short tv shows. Classics like Voices of  Distant Star and Now and Then, Here and There aren't on netflix.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 02:28:56 PM
Jesus christ, rumbler those suggestions are horrible for a non-anime fan? Nadesico? Really?
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2011, 02:31:03 PM
Sweet.  Thanks, dude.  How about something along the lines of DBZ.  Action, cheesy, not overly invested into story or character development (I guess that depends on what version of DBZ you're watching too.)  I've also read some Naruto manga.  It was okay, but I don't know if the anime is better or not.

Fist of the North Star like rumbler suggested, but it's long. And old.

I'd just say go with Ninja Scroll. It's on netflix instant and a movie.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2011, 02:32:02 PM
Jesus christ, rumbler those suggestions are horrible for a non-anime fan? Nadesico? Really?

Mupepe is talking about his nostalgic love for Hand Maid May and you're freaking out because I recommended Nadesico?  :lol
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2011, 02:32:22 PM
Oh man, I've seen Ninja Scroll.  Ruben showed it to me :lol

I've also seen Perfect Blue.  I own it.  Forgot about that.  It's awesome.  I'll check out the others.  Thanks, guys!
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Diunx on February 09, 2011, 03:16:22 PM
Watch Saint Seiya Mupepe, that DBZ and Slayers are the only really good animes anyway besides you can't call yourself a latino without seeing saint seiya.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2011, 03:29:14 PM
saint seiya, eh?  i'll check if it's on netflix. 
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Vizzys on February 09, 2011, 03:29:53 PM
streamfags
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2011, 03:30:19 PM
Stop with the namecalling, Viz.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Robo on February 09, 2011, 03:54:47 PM
Sweet.  Thanks, dude.  How about something along the lines of DBZ.  Action, cheesy, not overly invested into story or character development (I guess that depends on what version of DBZ you're watching too.)  I've also read some Naruto manga.  It was okay, but I don't know if the anime is better or not.

Oh, I've got a good one for this:

http://www.hulu.com/fist-of-the-north-star

what in the sam hill, i didn't know FotNS was on hulu.  i know how i am spending the evening  :rock
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: bork on February 09, 2011, 11:36:58 PM
 Where is Panty&Stocking With Garterbelt? 
Why watch hentai when you can get real, unpixelated AV over here?  It's really hard to understand you Japanese sometimes.


You ought to watch that show.  It's as "un-animu" as you can get!
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2011, 06:19:03 AM
I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.

I actually bought that show on DVD [for $15] not too long ago. It's kind of a standard late 90's/early 00's scifi/romance anime, but I've seen worse.

Edit: I was going to say that it cropped during the post-Mahoromatic/Chobits android-girl craze, but it actually predates both of those [but not the Mahoromatic manga]. Hmm...all 3 might have cropped up following the success of Steel Angel Kurumi, perhaps?

Edit 2: The only really bad thing about Hand Maid May is the inclusion of late-90's/early-00's mandated super-annoying, hyper-active main character rival whose only purpose is to provide dumb comic relief from time to time. But instead of being funny, he's just really annoying.
So it actually holds up?  I can handle that.  I legitimately liked it when I was younger and I'm not a fan of anime outside of DBZ and Hand Maid May.  Maybe you can recommend something else?  I don't have anything against anime.  I just haven't seen one that has interested me since early high school. 

If you like DBZ, you should check out Yu Yu Hakusho. Very action-y, with a pretty good soundtrack, and none of the crap filler. One of my all time favs. :rock
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Post by: Mupepe on February 10, 2011, 11:32:28 AM
:rock  sounds like what I'm looking for.  I'm gonna do anime this weekend and nerd it up
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Post by: Himu on February 10, 2011, 12:34:37 PM
Yu Yu Hakusho is on funi's site.

YYH turns to shit. But it is really close to DBZ.
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Post by: Mupepe on February 10, 2011, 12:35:49 PM
DBZ turns to shit too so it sound about the same :lol
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Post by: Himu on February 10, 2011, 12:39:09 PM
YYH starts out soooooo good.

The opening episode has the main character get hit by a car and die. It ownssssss.

If you want something short and sweet and action-y, also see if you can rent Hellsing Ultimate from netflix. It has vampires and blood and amazing action, and the story is stupid as fuck.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2011, 12:40:26 PM
I watched some YYH back in the day on Cartoon Network. Maybe 30 or 40 episodes. It was pretty good, from what I remember.
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Post by: Himu on February 10, 2011, 12:41:06 PM
It was.

And then poof. Poop city.
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Post by: magus on February 10, 2011, 12:42:57 PM
they did yu yu hakasho here a long time ago,the comparison with DBZ is pretty close,there is even a tournament arc
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Post by: Mupepe on February 10, 2011, 12:45:21 PM
YYH starts out soooooo good.

The opening episode has the main character get hit by a car and die. It ownssssss.

If you want something short and sweet and action-y, also see if you can rent Hellsing Ultimate from netflix. It has vampires and blood and amazing action, and the story is stupid as fuck.
I'll add that to Netflix as well. 

Stories are what make me stop watching anime.  When they get too serious or try to be serious, I stop caring.  I love the cheese of DBZ.  That's my kind of anime story.  Stupid, silly and shallow.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2011, 02:23:44 PM
YYH starts out soooooo good.

The opening episode has the main character get hit by a car and die. It ownssssss.

If you want something short and sweet and action-y, also see if you can rent Hellsing Ultimate from netflix. It has vampires and blood and amazing action, and the story is stupid as fuck.
I'll add that to Netflix as well. 

Stories are what make me stop watching anime.  When they get too serious or try to be serious, I stop caring.  I love the cheese of DBZ.  That's my kind of anime story.  Stupid, silly and shallow.

In that case, I'll drop a few more suggestions:

Angel Cop - super-bad cyberpunk OVA with hilariously bad dub
The Gokusen - daughter of a mob boss becomes a school teacher at a delinquent school
Cromartie High School - bizarre, surreal comedy about a nice guy who enrolls at a delinquent school [one of the best comedy animes ever]
Hare+Guu - bizarre, surreal, hyperactive comedy about a boy who lives in the jungle and a girl whose stomach is an alternate dimension
Patlabor - Police mecha series, most of the episodes of the TV series are comedic/light but the movies are serious business
Ranma 1/2 - Comedy about a boy who turns into a girl when he gets wet, 80's hijinks ensue
Magical Witch Punie-chan - OVA about a magical girl who is actually violent and sadistic
Excel Saga - quack experimental anime, the only serious episode in the show is an obvious joke
Black Lagoon - it's basically Cowboy Bebop set in Thailand
Slayers - The six OVAs are the best, the main series gets too serious at times
Original Dirty Pair OVA - scifi comedy about two trouble consultants that cause more trouble than they solve [the first OVA series is the best, in my opinion]
Great Teacher Onizuka - former biker gang leader becomes a school teacher

Also the three series I mentioned in an earlier post.
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Post by: Mupepe on February 10, 2011, 02:33:11 PM
sweet.  thanks, dude.  I used to watch ranma 1/2 in high school.  I was pretty tempted to buy the whole series about a year ago but I don't know how it held up.
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Post by: Himu on February 10, 2011, 02:49:22 PM
But you have Perfect Blue, which is really serious.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2011, 02:58:02 PM
sweet.  thanks, dude.  I used to watch ranma 1/2 in high school.  I was pretty tempted to buy the whole series about a year ago but I don't know how it held up.

It's held up pretty well, I think. I mean, it's pretty repetitive, but that's par for the course when you start talking about a show that's 100+ episodes. Still, it's a funny show and if you're looking for lighthearted fun that doesn't insult your intelligence every two seconds, you could definitely do a lot worse.
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Post by: Mupepe on February 10, 2011, 03:00:35 PM
But you have Perfect Blue, which is really serious.
Perfect Blue is more like a movie that happens to be animated.  Like that WW2 one, can't remember the name.  Exceptions, not the rule, etc.  More often than not I find that anime can't pull off compelling stories to my liking. 

sweet.  thanks, dude.  I used to watch ranma 1/2 in high school.  I was pretty tempted to buy the whole series about a year ago but I don't know how it held up.

It's held up pretty well, I think. I mean, it's pretty repetitive, but that's par for the course when you start talking about a show that's 100+ episodes. Still, it's a funny show and if you're looking for lighthearted fun that doesn't insult your intelligence every two seconds, you could definitely do a lot worse.
The wife and I might have to buy it afterall then.  Sounds like how I remembered it.
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Post by: Himu on February 10, 2011, 03:18:29 PM
A lot of the movies I suggested are in that vein and a lot of anime I prefer are like...regular tv or whatever except they're animated. I tend to prefer anime like that. Though wonky anime is good too.

Perfect Blue was directed by the late Satoshi Kon. A lot of his movies (Millennium Actress, Perfect Blue, Tokyo Godfathers) tend to have serious tones with great writing. He also created a tv series called Paranoia Agent, which takes this even further.

Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli's movies are like that too. In fact, most quality anime film is like that.

It takes years and ages to learn how to weed out good anime from the bad, though. The trek isn't even worth it.

To get all of these suggestions out of the way, I'd say start with Yu Yu Hakusho which is on funimation's site (posted earlier in this thread), Hellsing Ultimate, and the Satoshi Kon, Ghibli, Miyazaki films.

Miyazaki and Kon are excellent for any non-anime fan. Stuff like Excel Saga have a certain sense of humor that is only appealing to certain anime fans since they tend to be frantic and highly energetic and random. Even I don't like Excel Saga outside of the first five episodes.

To summarize, there's a lot of great anime out there, both serious and non-serious, but it's not best to go pick blindly. Certain anime have certain quirks, and certain fans have specific tastes.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2011, 03:20:21 PM
But you have Perfect Blue, which is really serious.
Perfect Blue is more like a movie that happens to be animated.  Like that WW2 one, can't remember the name.  Exceptions, not the rule, etc.  More often than not I find that anime can't pull off compelling stories to my liking. 

As the resident animu maniac, I can tolerate serious stories in my animu, but it's definitely the case that some shows just get too serious business and end of flopping, when they could have kept being light and fun. It's also the case that a lot of anime simply don't have a very good story, so ramping up the story and getting serious turns the whole thing into a boring mess.

However, I can probably come up with a few that would still interest you:

The Big O - Noir mecha series, it's basically a bunch of the guys who animated Batman: TAS getting together and deciding to do the Japanese version of it. Some parts of the main story arc are kind of ridiculous [especially when everything comes to a head at the end of the second season], but a lot of the one-episode stories are really, really good. It's the kind of show that I can watch over and over because the stories, characters, and the world are just so compelling.

Patlabor the Movie 1 and 2 - These two are like Tom Clancy stories in animate form. There's intrigue, government corruption, rumination on the nature of war and peace, and giant robots [which Tom Clancy stories desperately need, in my opinion]. They have action scenes but they're not action movies, they're political dramas.

Witch Hunter Robin - it's basically The X-Files with witches and the people who hunt them. Most of the show is episodic, but the second half drops in the story. Not the best I've seen, but it's got a great gothic atmosphere and the main story isn't too bad.

Ghost Hunt - an animated version of all those ghost show documentaries, except the ghosts are real. It's actually a series of arcs without any real central arc, just a setup. Surprisingly good, this was one that I just picked up on a whim because it looked interesting. It's got a lot of genuinely creepy and scary moments.

Time Stranger - now here's a really obscure anime movie. It's actually the sequel to a giant robot fighting force series that probably no one can remember, but rather than simply being a movie version of the series, it's actually a psychological drama that has more in common with Watchman than Volton. It really surprised me by how good it was. It's a dark show with dark themes, but feels justified in going that route. Don't worry about the series, the movie offers enough setup that it's pretty easy to tell what's going on and who everyone is.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - easily one of the best written animes of this decade, series or movie. It's got great characters, great stories, great music, and great settings. It's the best of the best and always brought up in recommendation threads for a reason. It's a must if you like speculative scifi.

Kino's Journey - basically a series of philosophical quandaries as witnessed by a stoic, gun-toting girl and her sentient motorcycle. Not every episode is serious, but most of them are. It's one of my favorite shows, but I can see how a lot of people would really be turned off by it. Most of the time is moves slowly and is more concerned with examining some aspect of human thought or action, but never quite coming up with an answer. Good for when you want something to think about, not good for when you just want to chill out and see dudes beating on each other.
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Post by: Himu on February 10, 2011, 03:26:51 PM
I remember hating Witch Hunter Robin's visual aesthetic.

And Mupepe is not going to check all of this shit out.
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Post by: Mupepe on February 10, 2011, 03:30:11 PM
A lot of the movies I suggested are in that vein and a lot of anime I prefer are like...regular tv or whatever except they're animated. I tend to prefer anime like that. Though wonky anime is good too.

Perfect Blue was directed by the late Satoshi Kon. A lot of his movies (Millennium Actress, Perfect Blue, Tokyo Godfathers) tend to have serious tones with great writing. He also created a tv series called Paranoia Agent, which takes this even further.

Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli's movies are like that too. In fact, most quality anime film is like that.

It takes years and ages to learn how to weed out good anime from the bad, though. The trek isn't even worth it.

To get all of these suggestions out of the way, I'd say start with Yu Yu Hakusho which is on funimation's site (posted earlier in this thread), Hellsing Ultimate, and the Satoshi Kon, Ghibli, Miyazaki films.

Miyazaki and Kon are excellent for any non-anime fan. Stuff like Excel Saga have a certain sense of humor that is only appealing to certain anime fans since they tend to be frantic and highly energetic and random. Even I don't like Excel Saga outside of the first five episodes.

To summarize, there's a lot of great anime out there, both serious and non-serious, but it's not best to go pick blindly. Certain anime have certain quirks, and certain fans have specific tastes.
Like Ponyo? :heartbeat

Love that movie.  I know there is quality anime, but like you said, the trek about learning to weed out the crap isn't worth it so I wait for recommendations from people I trust.  I trust you. :D

But you have Perfect Blue, which is really serious.
Perfect Blue is more like a movie that happens to be animated.  Like that WW2 one, can't remember the name.  Exceptions, not the rule, etc.  More often than not I find that anime can't pull off compelling stories to my liking. 

As the resident animu maniac, I can tolerate serious stories in my animu, but it's definitely the case that some shows just get too serious business and end of flopping, when they could have kept being light and fun. It's also the case that a lot of anime simply don't have a very good story, so ramping up the story and getting serious turns the whole thing into a boring mess.

However, I can probably come up with a few that would still interest you:

The Big O - Noir mecha series, it's basically a bunch of the guys who animated Batman: TAS getting together and deciding to do the Japanese version of it. Some parts of the main story arc are kind of ridiculous [especially when everything comes to a head at the end of the second season], but a lot of the one-episode stories are really, really good. It's the kind of show that I can watch over and over because the stories, characters, and the world are just so compelling.

Patlabor the Movie 1 and 2 - These two are like Tom Clancy stories in animate form. There's intrigue, government corruption, rumination on the nature of war and peace, and giant robots [which Tom Clancy stories desperately need, in my opinion]. They have action scenes but they're not action movies, they're political dramas.

Witch Hunter Robin - it's basically The X-Files with witches and the people who hunt them. Most of the show is episodic, but the second half drops in the story. Not the best I've seen, but it's got a great gothic atmosphere and the main story isn't too bad.

Ghost Hunt - an animated version of all those ghost show documentaries, except the ghosts are real. It's actually a series of arcs without any real central arc, just a setup. Surprisingly good, this was one that I just picked up on a whim because it looked interesting. It's got a lot of genuinely creepy and scary moments.

Time Stranger - now here's a really obscure anime movie. It's actually the sequel to a giant robot fighting force series that probably no one can remember, but rather than simply being a movie version of the series, it's actually a psychological drama that has more in common with Watchman than Volton. It really surprised me by how good it was. It's a dark show with dark themes, but feels justified in going that route. Don't worry about the series, the movie offers enough setup that it's pretty easy to tell what's going on and who everyone is.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - easily one of the best written animes of this decade, series or movie. It's got great characters, great stories, great music, and great settings. It's the best of the best and always brought up in recommendation threads for a reason. It's a must if you like speculative scifi.

Kino's Journey - basically a series of philosophical quandaries as witnessed by a stoic, gun-toting girl and her sentient motorcycle. Not every episode is serious, but most of them are. It's one of my favorite shows, but I can see how a lot of people would really be turned off by it. Most of the time is moves slowly and is more concerned with examining some aspect of human thought or action, but never quite coming up with an answer. Good for when you want something to think about, not good for when you just want to chill out and see dudes beating on each other.
I don't think anime is alone when it comes to veering off into the serious when it should have stayed light.  I see way too many sitcoms and lighthearted dramas do this as well.  But for some reason or another I think it's harder to deal with in anime.  

Is GITS:SAC a sequel to the original one?  I've seen that one a long time ago and liked it (Himu recommended it to me years ago).
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Post by: Mupepe on February 10, 2011, 03:31:06 PM
I remember hating Witch Hunter Robin's visual aesthetic.

And Mupepe is not going to check all of this shit out.
I won't check all of it out (tons has been recommended) but I'll at least give a lot of it a chance and try to define my taste more.  I've been itching to watch anime for a while now.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
I remember hating Witch Hunter Robin's visual aesthetic.

The character designs are something of an acquired taste, that's for sure.

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And Mupepe is not going to check all of this shit out.

Not really the point, is it?

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Is GITS:SAC a sequel to the original one?  I've seen that one a long time ago and liked it (Himu recommended it to me years ago).

The two movies and the two seasons of the series [there's also Solid State Society, which is a sequel to series] are basically alternate versions of the same universe, there's really not any connection between the two.
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Post by: Mupepe on February 10, 2011, 03:37:48 PM
ah ok.  gotcha.  thanks, guys.
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Post by: Vizzys on February 10, 2011, 03:41:24 PM
just watch the big o

if you hate it, kill yourself
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Post by: magus on February 10, 2011, 03:41:50 PM
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Excel Saga - quack experimental anime, the only serious episode in the show is an obvious joke a parody of fist of the north star :rock

anyway go watch welcome to nhk

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Post by: Himu on February 10, 2011, 03:55:15 PM
Since we're on my favorite type of anime: serious anime, I might as well throw in my piece.

For the record, I cannot stand the GitS movies.

But SAC has a special place in my heart. There are "stand alone" episodes, which are philosophical episodes that touch on specific subjects. One of my favorites is one where a man falls in love with an manufactured android and goes around implanting a virus in the android's line so he can be the only person in the world with his android, and that they will be together forever, like a regular couple. There are "complex" episodes, which build upon a recurring arc.

I tend to prefer the stand alone episodes. But ultimately the show is essentially Cowboy Bebop with robots on Earth. They are the very same in terms of structure: random "filler" episodes that add to the world's whole, and "canon" episodes that touch on the main storyline. It's a very western tv show approach that many of us are familiar with.

Along the same lines is Kino's Journey. Kino is like GitS except it has almost no "complex" episodes. It's mostly short stories and mini-arcs spread across one tv show. Imagine each episodes as one short story. The stories tend to be far away from being pretentious and are actually well written and more often than not, endearing.

Another favorite of mine is Now and Then, Here and There, which is a story that takes place in a fantasy world. Our hero is magically transported from Japan to a world that is devastated by famine and a lack of abundant resources to survive, namely water. So he encounters a moving ship, or arc, that travels the world by ground. The leader has ransacked and burned villages, killing its people and enslaving the children to become child soldiers. The story focuses on the child soldiers and their plight as they kill village after village while the hero has been enlisted in their ranks. It is among the best written and directed anime series I have seen.

Gankutsuo: The Count of Monte Cristo - As a fan of the novel, this is the best adaptation of the Count of Monte Cristo even if it takes some of the things (namely the setting) and alters them. It's the Count of Monte Cristo in the future. Think of it like Romeo + Juliet. Wonderfully written, and with a fantastic revolutionary art style, this is the best animated tv series I have seen in the past decade.

Welcome to the NHK - A man succumbs to depression. He is a loser, an "otaku" so to speak. He has dropped out of school, he has no prospects in life, he just stays home and uses his computer. He hates his life and finds himself to be pathetic until one girl he meets helps change his life for the better. It has a mix of serious and comedy that makes it never too depressing or silly at any point in time.

Golgo 13 - Assassin Duke Togo kills people with frightening efficiency. More badass than James Bond.

Berserk - A fantasy/middle ages epic that takes place through countless years. Bloody, grotesque and outright AWESOME. This show has everything ranging from political intrigue, to bloody war battles, to DUDES GETTING THEIR HEADS CHOPPED OFF, to demons and gods, betrayal and acceptance, and even romance.

Keep in mind these are just a few tv series, and this is without mentioning the vast amounts of ova's and films that really tickle my fanny.
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Post by: Himu on February 10, 2011, 03:57:26 PM
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Excel Saga - quack experimental anime, the only serious episode in the show is an obvious joke a parody of fist of the north star :rock

anyway go watch welcome to nhk



I'll be honest. I don't like Excel Saga. Well, I kinda do. But in gulps. The first five episodes are absolutely AMAZING. It's full of Hollywood nods, and it lampoons pretty much EVERYTHING as it is extremely self aware and then it goes to shit and it's not nearly as enjoyable past that point.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2011, 04:10:20 PM
Just watch Cowboy Bebop, only good anime ever made.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2011, 04:13:01 PM
At what point did you guys think YYH turns to shit? The final arc with the 3 Kings?

Slayers - The six OVAs are the best, the main series gets too serious at times

GR, I love ya man, but I gotta disagree. Slayers and Slayers Next are both more enjoyable. They got a good mix of light-heartedness and seriousness imo. Try on the other hand....
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Post by: Vizzys on February 10, 2011, 04:13:31 PM
steve blum is the greatest voice actor of our generation
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Post by: Vizzys on February 10, 2011, 04:14:30 PM
At what point did you guys think YYH turns to shit? The final arc with the 3 Kings?

yes

chapter black is acceptable
then its like ok how do we end this

another tournament? GENIUS
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2011, 04:22:48 PM
steve blum is the greatest voice actor of our generation

He's done the voice of Spike, Char, Roger Smith, and Jack in the Lost videogame. You gotta bow down. :bow2
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Post by: Vizzys on February 10, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
i should add that the three kings arc of yyh is still pretty awesome with the backstories and such

probably still the best shonen manga of all time

destroys one piece
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Post by: Diunx on February 10, 2011, 05:11:02 PM
YYH starts out soooooo good.

The opening episode has the main character get hit by a car and die. It ownssssss.

If you want something short and sweet and action-y, also see if you can rent Hellsing Ultimate from netflix. It has vampires and blood and amazing action, and the story is stupid as fuck.
I'll add that to Netflix as well. 

Stories are what make me stop watching anime.  When they get too serious or try to be serious, I stop caring.  I love the cheese of DBZ.  That's my kind of anime story.  Stupid, silly and shallow.

In that case, I'll drop a few more suggestions:


Ranma 1/2 - Comedy about a boy who turns into a girl when he gets wet, 80's hijinks ensue


Forgot about Ranma! the show is funny and has tons of tits highly recommended.
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Post by: magus on February 10, 2011, 05:13:42 PM
when i was a little kid,i loved slayers but i tried watching it in recent times and it just drags... OK WE'LL PULL OFF THIS SUPER SPECIAL MOVE THAT WILL DEFINITELY KILL THE EVIL BAD GUY IN 2-3 EPISODES

and ranma..... gah,it last forever,it has the same gags that never ends over and over,it's just.... blah!
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2011, 06:26:35 PM
Slayers - The six OVAs are the best, the main series gets too serious at times

GR, I love ya man, but I gotta disagree. Slayers and Slayers Next are both more enjoyable. They got a good mix of light-heartedness and seriousness imo. Try on the other hand....

I'm not saying I dislike the series, I do like it, but the OVAs are great. The Lina/Naga combo is hilarious.
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Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2011, 07:17:50 PM
At what point did you guys think YYH turns to shit? The final arc with the 3 Kings?

yes

chapter black is acceptable
then its like ok how do we end this

another tournament? GENIUS


I can feel that. I thought it hit a high point at the Dark Tournament, Sensui was decent, and although I didn't mind the three kings, it was a pretty lame way to end the series. Cause by that point, neither Yomi nor Mukoruo were seen as bad guys that needed to be beaten, but just 'hey let's FITE GUYZ'


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i should add that the three kings arc of yyh is still pretty awesome with the backstories and such

probably still the best shonen manga of all time

destroys one piece

:bow Viz :bow2




Oh, btw Mupepe. If you haven't already seen it, I recommend watching DBZ Kai. It's at least 20 thousand times better than the original.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
Go watch this, Mups:

http://www.hulu.com/riding-bean?c=Animation-and-Cartoons/Anime
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Mupepe on February 11, 2011, 11:49:18 AM
Go watch this, Mups:

http://www.hulu.com/riding-bean?c=Animation-and-Cartoons/Anime
What's this?

Oblivion: Been watching Kai for the last couple of months.  I've got it it set up in my Netflix queue so I get a disc like every week or two.  So awesome.
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Post by: Himu on February 11, 2011, 11:50:28 AM
I have't seen Kai. Kai is good?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 11, 2011, 11:51:04 AM
Go watch this, Mups:

http://www.hulu.com/riding-bean?c=Animation-and-Cartoons/Anime
What's this?

An animated version of an 80's action movie set in Detroit.
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: bork on February 12, 2011, 09:49:07 AM
Go watch this, Mups:

http://www.hulu.com/riding-bean?c=Animation-and-Cartoons/Anime
What's this?

An animated version of an 80's action movie set in Detroit.

And it's still awesome.  The soundtrack was done by David Garfield, IIRC...so it's all American music and no J-Pop. 

That's in contrast to the animated version of Gunsmith Cats, (which was a manga series that was basically Riding Bean re-imagined, only with the female character as a lead.  Bean does end up appearing too, though.) which had J-pop themes.   :-\
Title: Re: Japanese report: Piracy is still bad, so buy anime with your monies instead
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2011, 10:35:35 AM
Go watch this, Mups:

http://www.hulu.com/riding-bean?c=Animation-and-Cartoons/Anime
What's this?

An animated version of an 80's action movie set in Detroit.

And it's still awesome.  The soundtrack was done by David Garfield, IIRC...so it's all American music and no J-Pop. 

That's in contrast to the animated version of Gunsmith Cats, (which was a manga series that was basically Riding Bean re-imagined, only with the female character as a lead.  Bean does end up appearing too, though.) which had J-pop themes.   :-\

Gunsmith Cats still had this:

[youtube=560,345]J7HPyUcy37I[/youtube]
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 12, 2011, 11:34:15 AM
Black Lagoon is not CowboyBebop set in Thialand!  Not even close.


Watch Gankutsuo: The Count of Monte Cristo, GTO, Slayers, GITS:SAC, and Last Exile.

O and One Piece!
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2011, 11:41:21 AM
Black Lagoon is not CowboyBebop set in Thialand!  Not even close.

Well, not if you want to get technical about, I suppose.
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Diunx on February 14, 2011, 09:08:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

:bow Neil Gaiman
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Oblivion on February 15, 2011, 07:14:49 AM
I have't seen Kai. Kai is good?

If you liked DBZ but thought that the filler was fucking garbage that brought down the entire series, then yes. Kai is extremely enjoyable. It also has an infinitely better script than the crap they used to show on CN. It retains most of the Funimation cast, which I was kinda bummed out about, but honestly, they've come a long way, so it's not so bad. But yes, Himu, short answer: Definitely check it out.
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: bork on February 15, 2011, 02:24:30 PM
I have't seen Kai. Kai is good?

If you liked DBZ but thought that the filler was fucking garbage that brought down the entire series, then yes. Kai is extremely enjoyable. It also has an infinitely better script than the crap they used to show on CN. It retains most of the Funimation cast, which I was kinda bummed out about, but honestly, they've come a long way, so it's not so bad. But yes, Himu, short answer: Definitely check it out.

Despite all the claims that the "filler" is gone and the pacing is supposedly better, I notice that Kai seems to be just as much "Drag-On Ball Z" as the original was.  Stick with the comics, Himu.
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Mupepe on February 15, 2011, 02:37:57 PM
Eh, it drags on, but it's nothing like the uncut episodes I use to own.  Man those were terrible.  Dragonball Z drags on no matter how much editing you give it.  For instance, you watch vegeta and napa tear up piccolo, krillin, gohan, etc and unless you want to completely cut out Goku traveling from King Kai's planet, it's going to drag a bit.  Not much editors can do IMO.  It's still pretty enjoyable, at the very least for nostalgic reasons.

I like the Funimation cast, btw.  Maybe because that's the version I saw on CN.  Vegeta's voice is awesome from there.  I hated when they changed it later.
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2011, 02:10:34 AM
I have't seen Kai. Kai is good?

If you liked DBZ but thought that the filler was fucking garbage that brought down the entire series, then yes. Kai is extremely enjoyable. It also has an infinitely better script than the crap they used to show on CN. It retains most of the Funimation cast, which I was kinda bummed out about, but honestly, they've come a long way, so it's not so bad. But yes, Himu, short answer: Definitely check it out.

Despite all the claims that the "filler" is gone and the pacing is supposedly better, I notice that Kai seems to be just as much "Drag-On Ball Z" as the original was.  Stick with the comics, Himu.


Really? Care to name some examples? I actually thought in some cases they went a little too far, like substantially cutting down the fight scenes (those were generally enjoyable if you didn't include the repeated animations).
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Himu on February 16, 2011, 04:00:34 AM
Eh, it drags on, but it's nothing like the uncut episodes I use to own.  Man those were terrible.  Dragonball Z drags on no matter how much editing you give it.  For instance, you watch vegeta and napa tear up piccolo, krillin, gohan, etc and unless you want to completely cut out Goku traveling from King Kai's planet, it's going to drag a bit.  Not much editors can do IMO.  It's still pretty enjoyable, at the very least for nostalgic reasons.

I like the Funimation cast, btw.  Maybe because that's the version I saw on CN.  Vegeta's voice is awesome from there.  I hated when they changed it later.

The new funimation voices are great. Well, they're not "new" per se, it's just that the voice actors were now 10000x more experienced. I got the old boxset and they redubbed the entire saiyana saga and I fucking loved the dub so much I stuck with that. Combine with the original Japanese music and it was the ultimate dbz experience to me. I got the second boxset, and halfway through they get to the ginyu fight where Goku drops in. This was when Funimation first got the rights to DBZ and started to dub the show originally, and the difference between the two dubs quality is night and fucking day.

On top of this, you couldn't watch with the original Japanese music anymore if you were watching the old dub. Pissed me off.

Did Funi re-dub the rest of the series for DBZ: Kai?
Title: Re: Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2011, 05:19:22 AM
Did Funi re-dub the rest of the series for DBZ: Kai?

Well, Kai is still going on right now, and they're up to the beginning of the Cell Saga.