THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Mondain on December 27, 2006, 09:46:49 PM
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please, id love to know the people's stance on this
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Once you're in the next-generation it's allowed.
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I'll pirate games, but generally only If I cant actually buy/find them. Original Dreamcast titles are next to impossible to find here in NZ so I download iso's of them.
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I use an M3 and a 1gig microSD card for DS/GBA roms and HD Loader with a 200gb HDD for ps2 games.
I have no problem with it. I have maybe 5 ps2 games I havent bought. I buy plenty of games because some of them are just too big to be downloaded/ worth having.
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Support good games, rent or pirate the crud.
Do you feel it's ok to pirate older obsolete consoles? Should I go out and buy lots of PSX releases now that I can emulate them on PSP?
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The only time I pirate something is if I can't find it and it's on a really old system. Basically PSX era and earlier I have no problem with piracy. I honestly believe that at that point, it won't make a difference. What pisses me off is people on GAF that say that piracy of new games doesn't make a dent in profits or hurt the industry.
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I used to pirate way back when, but now that I have the money I see no reason to pirate. There are demos if I want to try things out.
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The only time I pirate something is if I can't find it and it's on a really old system. Basically PSX era and earlier I have no problem with piracy. I honestly believe that at that point, it won't make a difference. What pisses me off is people on GAF that say that piracy of new games doesn't make a dent in profits or hurt the industry.
it doesn't, in fact i'm buying a psp just for emulation
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I used to pirate way back when, but now that I have the money I see no reason to pirate. There are demos if I want to try things out.
I support the hobby I love. Besides, buying something gives you more attachment to what you buy than just using a sharpie and scribbling Halo 3 on it. I'm quite proud of the collection of real games I've bought thru the years. These people spent years making these shits. The least I can do it spend some money on it.
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I used to pirate way back when, but now that I have the money I see no reason to pirate. There are demos if I want to try things out.
I support the hobby I love. Besides, buying something gives you more attachment to what you buy than just using a sharpie and scribbling Halo 3 on it. I'm quite proud of the collection of real games I've bought thru the years. These people spent years making these shits. The least I can do it spend some money on it.
but all that sentimental value that we hold over plastic discs riddled with miniature bumps and genuine covers and cases that cost almost nothing for the studios to duplicate infinitely, isn't most of it nothing but an irrational placebo effect?
especially when compared to material goods which cover primal human needs and have some real practical value?
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I'm all for it :arr
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I've been pirating since I bought a C-64 in 1986.
It was a rush to import games from Europe and exchange them for games not even on the store shelves yet. 1200 baud was the norm, so you would start downloading before you hit the bed .. and usually was done by the time you woke up for school. Nothing like call-waiting knocking you off the line during a 5 hour download. No, auto-restart back then .. you had to try again.
Pirating was a bit more intimate. You had to know the right people and have the right contacts to get on the best boards. There were no ratios, your name was good enough. Some fellas made good money hoarding cracked copies of games and reselling them to average joes for 5-10 dollars a pop.
Met alot of interesting people (phone and text) the 3 years I was a runner/importer.
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We are bred to pirate from a young age. From the first moments of self-awareness we are looking for ways to share with our friends. Cards, movies, games, music, etc etc. It's programmed into us very young.
The internet has completely eroded any sense of effort in pirating. Thus, any type of guilt is nearly non-exisitant. It's just a few clicks away.
Ironically, I don't pirate as much as I used to. I probably buy 80% of what I play. Sometimes, what I pirate I end up buying anyways if the product is excellent (Music and games)
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toxicadam, you rock.
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Eh. I'm mixed on it, I rarely ever pirate myself to tell you the truth but when I do it's to try something out and in many cases I'll actually buy the game I pirated. I love games too much to pirate. For things like music, yeah I'm going to pirate because I really don't see myself spending 20 dollars on a cd too often. For games, I usually get my money's worth so I do my best to support the companies and games I cherish.
I support the hobby I love. Besides, buying something gives you more attachment to what you buy than just using a sharpie and scribbling Halo 3 on it. I'm quite proud of the collection of real games I've bought thru the years. These people spent years making these shits. The least I can do it spend some money on it.
qft
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The internet has completely eroded any sense of effort in pirating. Thus, any type of guilt is nearly non-exisitant. It's just a few clicks away.
yep
since the advent of bittorrent, all the piracy communities i loved to read almost daily because of the quality debates that they hosted have become nearly worthless since the elite aspect of the scene completely disappeared with it
they became full of newbies who didn't want to be hassled with the details, and just wanted the shit, and could get it-- some who are too ignorant to know how to unrar a set of archives
Eh. I'm mixed on it, I rarely ever pirate myself to tell you the truth but when I do it's to try something out and in many cases I'll actually buy the game I pirated. I love games too much to pirate. For things like music, yeah I'm going to pirate because I really don't see myself spending 20 dollars on a cd too often. For games, I usually get my money's worth so I do my best to support the companies and games I cherish.
this I don't get
didn't you read a lot about the practices of industry majors like EA and Activision? are you aware of how little the developper itself is rewarded from your hard-earned dollars? and how those who produced the game are treated like worthless grunts and severely underpaid? what tangible difference are your dollars doing? isn't this all a placebo effect?
with 60$ next-gen games, isn't it good that those corporations don't have complete freedom to charge whatever the hell they want since users now have a possibility to spite them and get all the Xbox 360 games that they want for the price of a blank dual-layer disc?
nearly all the traditional arguments used to condemn piracy seem completely illogical and sanctimonious to me... you're a nameless statistic, you get ripped off and abused to death by all kinds of corporations until the day you die and are a slave to them, it's a dog eat dog world! why care for them when they couldn't give a shit about you in a million years?
the sole thing that makes me sway from it is that users are just as greedy as the corporations themselves
administrators of a site named isohunt have the effrontery to claim that their site doesn't solely exist to propel copyright violations. how is that any different from the typical rosy bullshit cop-out corporative lines? pirates aren't very different from the entities that they abuse
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Those people existed back in the days too.
Dig up old nfo from the early '90 talking about how the scene was dying because of average joes having modems included in their Compaq Presarios and how those 'lazy idiots' were a security risk for everyone.
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People always bitch about "the scene" dying. I swear, the only "scene" release group I admire is Paradox, those guys fucking rock.
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I think you only cheat yourself.
Having too many games to play takes the fun out of games. You don't have time to appreciate and goof around in games and instead it becomes a grind to play everything, all the time.
Hell, I only play originals and I still have this problem.
It's best to limit yourself to no more games than you have time to play. And buying new games at full price is the best way to do this.
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how is it an effect as significant as now? the Internet is almost totally mainstream in rich countries now... and was there ever a convenient way for the masses to get pirated releases before p2p networks came forth? and bittorrent is the first of them to be sufficiently efficient for the transfer of extremely large files
I think you only cheat yourself.
Having too many games to play takes the fun out of games. You don't have time to appreciate and goof around in games and instead it becomes a grind to play everything, all the time.
Hell, I only play originals and I still have this problem.
It's best to limit yourself to no more games than you have time to play. And buying new games at full price is the best way to do this.
this is a very true position, getting as many bootlegs as possible is a very good way to become jaded of the hobby
and while it's absurd to put so much value on discs, maybe it's not humanly possible to break free from the mental illusion that having a collection of genuine software products is good for us
the dollars that you save by avoiding to pay for a new console release, would they be invested towards something significant? 99% of the chances are that you'd buy something frivolous with it, or support an auto-destructive addiction... at least you still own your game after having bought it and it didn't damage your health
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Depends on what it is, personally.
For instance - I download comic book scans from the internet newsgroups. 90% of what I download is stuff from the 30s, 40s and 50s. It's esoteric material that will probably never be reprinted in any purchasable form. I don't think I'm hurting anyone by downloading it as the creators are nearly all dead now, most of it is in a gray public domain area, and the rest of the rightsholders have shown no intent to ever reprint it. Someone loved the hobby enough to scan it in and share it (it takes about 3 hours to properly scan a 64 page book and do all the necessary color corections, page straightening, and cropping), so I almost feel as if I am helping keep the pop history alive by downloading and reading it. I also scan in some of my Golden Age collection and upload it from time to time.
Occasionally I'll download newer comics, but that's only because I think a $3 average for a 32 page pamphlet (22 pages of actual story and art) is highway robbery. I still buy hardcover and trade paperback collections of comics when material I'm interested in is available, because you really can't beat the feel of an actual book in your hands. I just want to read other things that I would otherwise never have the opportunity to read, and downloading is the only way to do it.
It's mostly the same deal with music. I love 30s-50s Jazz, Country, and Blues, and a lot of the more obscure stuff just isn't commercially available. People rip their old 78s into mp3 form, and run them through noise-filtering programs, and I respect the effort. If I hear an artist I like, I try to seek out the CDs (usually imports in the case of Jazz/Blues) for purchase.
As for games, I am not much of a pirate. I'm a tech distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, and I usually give up trying to figure out how to do it before I ever get very far. If I can't just slap it on a blank disc or SD card and play it I'm probably not going to bother. Besides, most of the stuff I'd want is so cheap that it isn't worth the effort of pirating. I just bought Red Faction for ps2 for $3. I just won Medal of Honor and MOH: Underground for ps1 for a combined total of $1 off Ebay. I'd spend more in time and effort copying them. But for a game that has almost no hope of ever being reissued, or the old hardware cost is prohibitive, I really don't see a problem with it. New stuff, just wait a few months and buy it on the cheap. Hardly anything stays full retail forever, and with the advent of internet auctions and the like, you can almost always find things for a good deal (or cheaper than retail if new).
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I really don't give a fuck either way.
Maybe if I wanted to play a shit-ton of games I'd go to the effort to pirate this shit rather than paying for it but I don't want to play that many games anyway so I don't bother with it.
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I don't pay for shit, except console games and WoW.