THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Boogie on March 22, 2011, 09:30:56 PM
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Jumping the gun a bit here, since the Writ hasn't dropped.
Today the Harper Government (TM) here in Soviet Canuckistan tabled the year's budget. To which all of the opposition parties promptly replied: "You can take your budget and shove it up your ass."
Which pretty much means we're heading to the polls, as the Conservatives are signalling they're not about to make any changes to make the budget palatable to the Opposition.
My gut prediction at the start here: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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We just let you think that your votes mean anything. :shh
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Wasn't there a big brouhaha in the last couple years, where Harper's coalition shrank and there was a bunch of procedural stuff about whether there could be something like a vote of no confidence, and the Queen of England was going to have to get involved cause you guys never had a proper revolution?
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Boogie, you know what you have to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_of_Canada
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My gut prediction at the start here: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Don't you vote conservative? I'm blaming you for this.
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governments droppin' writs
in canadian cities
governments with writs
in our cities
in canada
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Vote for the Canadian equivalent of the Tea Party.
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Vote for the Canadian equivalent of the Tea Party.
No one in Canada is that stupid.
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I think I've found the party that Boogie needs to vote for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_of_Canada
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Wasn't there a big brouhaha in the last couple years, where Harper's coalition shrank and there was a bunch of procedural stuff about whether there could be something like a vote of no confidence, and the Queen of England was going to have to get involved cause you guys never had a proper revolution?
Harper's government isn't actually a coalition; there are no opposition party members in the cabinet. But otherwise, yeah, the Opposition ganged up and was going to vote down the Conservatives and propose their own coalition government, then the Canadian population became introduced to and sick of the word "prorogue" in the span of a week, and when the dust had cleared, the Liberals had turfed their leader and decided not to bring down the Conservatives.
The story since then has mostly consisted of the Conservatives being assholes, but not big enough assholes for anyone outside of the political establishment to care or get upset, and the Liberals have been doing a gawdawful job of demonstrating that they would be a viable alternative. But at least Dion is gone, thank God.
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My gut prediction at the start here: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Don't you vote conservative? I'm blaming you for this.
I have voted this conservative in the past. This time it's Grits or spoiled ballot, depending on whether Iggy can manage to not embarrass himself or not.
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Well, it's official.
Budget was voted down yesterday. Governor-General dissolved Parliament this morning.
:lol @ at Harper's press conference, said Liberals have a "Hidden Agenda" of a coalition. Cribbing the same language the Liberals used against the Conservatives for years. Well played, Harper, well played.
Election date is May 2.
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I think I've found the party that Boogie needs to vote for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_of_Canada
Even better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Law_Party_of_Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Law_Party_of_Canada)
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Now, it being election season, it is natural that my 20-something facebook friends will post election-related material.
One such vid was a clip by the Canadian equivalent of Jon Stewart (sort of) encouraging young Canadians to vote. Now, the comments to this vid turned into a mini debate with me vs. a friend of the friend who posted the link. Mostly consisting of her fearmongering against the conservatives as if they were Republicans and me saying "now, I'm not voting for them, but you're being silly".
It ended up with her posting this:
"Well oppression is rooted in north american society, much is done without conscious decision making as it is so heavily ingrained within both males and females. What ever their intentions may be, it does not erase the fact that this unfortunately still happens, and rather wide spread. Awareness is the key to erasing these oppressions and microaggressions. a society run (intentionally or unintentionally) about hate or being better than others is not as progressive as i would prefer. that much is true. capitalism unfortunately breeds oppression, some embrace this more heavily. moreover, harper is not future oriented enough same with the liberals. id like my future to be thought of, not just the elderly. balance is the key here."
can someone tell me what the fuck that means? What the fuck is a "microaggression"? How is oppression any more "rooted" in North American society than it is in ANY society in human history?
I swear to God, the only thing that could get me to vote for the Conservatives in this election are the people most adamant that I shouldn't vote for them.
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Sounds like one of those "America is taking over Canada through a clever media manipulation campaign to make us sympathetic and supportive of their every decision" Canadians
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Sounds like one of those "America is taking over Canada through a clever media manipulation campaign to make us sympathetic and supportive of their every decision" Canadians
Well, that, but more "I'm an ultra-left-wing York Master's student who is obsessed with postcolonialism and completely out of touch with reality".
As soon as she made the post I quoted I was all "oooookay, I'm wasting my time here"
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My basic rule on facebook discussion: make a response to the original comment, then a retort if they respond. But after that walk the fuck away. Don't want to ink up someone's wall with a bunch of text.
Your example is far more worthy of discussion than the stuff I deal with, like "check this video out. Is Obama born in Kenya or is he born in America? Yall i dunno..."
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My basic rule on facebook discussion: make a response to the original comment, then a retort if they respond. But after that walk the fuck away. Don't want to ink up someone's wall with a bunch of text.
Your example is far more worthy of discussion than the stuff I deal with, like "check this video out. Is Obama born in Kenya or is he born in America? Yall i dunno..."
I'm just waiting for her to say something like "and another example of Harper's oppression is the G20 in Toronto..."
and I'll be like "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu >:( :maf "
edit: her follow up to me saying "yeah, we're just going to have to agree to disagree here"
her: "oh for sure we agree to disagree. I mean i just spent the last two years of my masters taking a big long look at oppression so its in the forefront of my mind. also being a female, i get it all the time. i am not sure if you are part of a minority group, but speaking from experience, its not very fun!"
ie. If you're not a member of a minority group, your opinion is worthless.
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Tell her that while she acts like part of an oppressed group, her traditional white feminist perspective (eg, calling herself a "woman" rather than ciswoman) is the sort of privileged, bourgeois intellectualism that created backlash movements like womanism, and that she is actually reifying the very imperialist kyriarchy which she claims to problematize.
I imagine that would go over well.
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Tell her that while she acts like part of an oppressed group, her traditional white feminist perspective (eg, calling herself a "woman" rather than ciswoman) is the sort of privileged, bourgeois intellectualism that created backlash movements like womanism, and that she is actually reifying the very imperialist kyriarchy which she claims to problematize.
I imagine that would go over well.
:lol
<3 you, Mandark...
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but this is definitely the weirdest of my four election campaigns.
The candidates seem more interested in hosting sing-alongs than anything else:
[youtube=560,345]WX47ku7jhWE[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]6JBclUmEGeI[/youtube]
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i raise you
[youtube=560,345]VTkUeb6zQFA[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]m8wz0jrb79Y[/youtube]
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i raise you
[youtube=560,345]VTkUeb6zQFA[/youtube]
Now that's just not fair.
That being said, Harper does have his Beatles down pat:
[youtube=560,345]JOt2Qp0H9G8[/youtube]
I think he has the malek vote all wrapped up...
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Youtube has everything. Someone find a Chrétien music video.
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haha I wonder what Fox would say if Obama sang about getting high with a little help from his friends
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Youtube has everything. Someone find a Chrétien music video.
....I....really don't want to.. please don't make me....
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I wish Arsenio Hall still had a late-night show.
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This thread is now about the misadventures with my new wacko left wing facebook friend.
She posts this article, with the commentary "would you vote for this fascist?":
http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/home/harper_criticized_for_unfriending_teen_from_rally/2464194e
Then comments on her own link: "total racist".
Now, granted, this is some obsessive, hyper-partisan sketchy behaviour, there.
But....racist? Because the person in question happened to be muslim? come on.
When I replied that "The Liberal Party isn't a race", she came back with:
"Also I'm rather confused as to how they found her name, found her on facebook, then remembered her in a conceivably larger crowd.....Also their worry about flash mobbing JUST SO HAPPEN to have occurred around a teen of a minority. Once again this federal rapist is on the lose. I don't even hate conservatives, they could be great. But Harper himself. Total rapist, WHO TRUSTS A MAN WITH EYES SO CLOSE TOGETHER!!! lol"
:dizzy
In any case, while she is busy declaring Harper to be a racist, the Liberals had to sack a candidate in Quebec who was a founder of a white supremacist group:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/liberals-sack-quebec-candidate-who-founded-white-supremacist-group/article1973542/
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So he's a racist rapist?
Apparently.
Oh, and the RCMP managed to get itself involved in the election story:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rcmp-admits-it-overstepped-bounds-by-ejecting-people-from-tory-events/article1973812/
The RCMP is taking responsibility for ousting people from recent Conservative campaign events in southwestern Ontario, acknowledging it broke the rules in doing so and saying it’s reminded Mounties to stick to their jobs.
Way to go, boys! :-\
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Suggest to her that she pry his close eyes apart with a knife. When she agrees, arrest her. You could be the second RCMP election scandel story!
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So he's a racist rapist?
Not just a rapist, but a federal rapist!
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Wait, you friended her?
You realize this means the thread's going to quickly devolve into everyone telling you to bang her, right?
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Suggest to her that she pry his close eyes apart with a knife. When she agrees, arrest her. You could be the second RCMP election scandel story!
Great idea.
Except for the part where I become a party to the offense myself via counseling her to commit it.
That's not such a great idea.
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Wait, you friended her?
You realize this means the thread's going to quickly devolve into everyone telling you to bang her, right?
Well yeah, now it is.
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Wait, you friended her?
You realize this means the thread's going to quickly devolve into everyone telling you to bang her, right?
Well yeah, now it is.
We're going to need pictures first before we go down that route.
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Suggest to her that she pry his close eyes apart with a knife. When she agrees, arrest her. You could be the second RCMP election scandel story!
Great idea.
Except for the part where I become a party to the offense myself via counseling her to commit it.
That's not such a great idea.
Well to be the next scandal story, you need to get your hands a bit dirty.
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image no worky for me.
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http://twitpic.com/4hsili
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Only English language debate of the campaign on now.
Should have put this on a weekend so I could make a drinking game out of it...
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Real Talk
How would you feel Boogie if reefer were legal in the US and Canada, and instead of Canadians trafficking their sweet Glorious Natural Product mostly to the US, it was only grown enough to satisfy local demand?
You guys would then have all of the manpower you ever wanted to squash meth out of Canada. It would be a utopia. Glorious reefer from the north pole to the southern tip of Mexico.
/Real Talk
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This debate is terrible.
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also fuck cbc for playing a 30second ad everytime my live stream cuts out.
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This debate is terrible.
It really is.
Real Talk
How would you feel Boogie if reefer were legal in the US and Canada, and instead of Canadians trafficking their sweet Glorious Natural Product mostly to the US, it was only grown enough to satisfy local demand?
You guys would then have all of the manpower you ever wanted to squash meth out of Canada. It would be a utopia. Glorious reefer from the north pole to the southern tip of Mexico.
/Real Talk
I am indifferent, personally, towards the legalization of marijuana. I will say that the legalization of it in Canada without it being similarly allowed in the States would be bad. (due to the nature of the black market trade, our weed is taken south in exchange for guns and cocaine. So I think that making weed legal in Canada but not the States would simply allow criminals to export more weed to the States, and therefore import more cocaine and guns into the country.)
and for political reasons, I think that it won't be legalized here until and unless it is in America.
I will also say, in regards to manpower, the largest drug units in Canada already devote the majority of resources towards harder drugs like meth, heroin, and cocaine.
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Ya you can`t have something like weed being legal in one country and illegal in another and still keep the largest undefended border as open as it is.
I`m thinking Harper is actually doing the best here. Atleast he isn`t making an ass of himself like the others.
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I`m thinking Harper is actually doing the best here. Atleast he isn`t making an ass of himself like the others.
I don't think he's doing "the best", but he's holding his own very well for it being a 3 vs 1 most of the time.
edit: except for when Jack gets snarky at Iggy. :lol
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Best is highly relative here.
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:lol
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Duceppe: "Multiculturism doesn't fit with Quebec"
WHAAAA?
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I totally missed what Dueppe was talking about on two categories of refugiesÉ
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Just repeat the words layton, that`s all he wants :lol
Layton dodged that like a ninja.
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`With the bling and everything else`...that was bad.
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I totally tuned out almost all of the last third of the debate :-[
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Same. I`m not embarresed about it though. The first two thirds were mud slinging and not much else.
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I don`t get why in this modern age putting up links to some of the factual information isn`t part of the mediators job. Instead of calling eachother liars, give me a god damn link. If you say such and such a bill was rejected by another party give me a link. If there is a dispute about something which is objectivly varifiable, then it should be verified instead of politicians calling eachother lairs. And if they had to be accountable for this kind of thing, then they wouldn`t make the accusations in the first place.
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png)
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That exactly
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I wonder how our Canadian brothers in the struggle for legalization are doing.
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it will be legal in 90 days, unless new laws are passed.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario/ontario-court-strikes-down-canadas-pot-laws/article1983105/
of course this will never happen.
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT
Is this currently the top priority of the Canadian Funky Parliament?
Haven't been this interested in something from Canada since Trailer Park Boys. Have NEVER been this interested in Canadian politics.
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No. That would be the election. We actually don't have a parliament right now so really they only have 60 days to make new laws (or appeal this decision).
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Is this one of the major campaign issues?
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No not really outside of NDP wanting legalization.
Nothing will come of this though so don't get your hopes up, lol.
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I'm gonna write a letter to Canada. And try to get it published somewhere up there.
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Publish it in the Readers Digest, so i can read it while pooping.
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT
Is this currently the top priority of the Canadian Funky Parliament?
Haven't been this interested in something from Canada since Trailer Park Boys. Have NEVER been this interested in Canadian politics.
Single-issue voters. ::)
Is this one of the major campaign issues?
:lol
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t234 is the chumlee to evilbore's pawnstar
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t234 is the chumlee to evilbore's pawnstar
I don't know what that means.
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must be an american thing i guess, it's a show about a pawn shop in las vegas that's on the history channel
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I thought Canada was more liberal?
It's weird. The Canadian Reefer Scene as I see it from far away has progressed in the past decade from "Haha, that's cute. The Canadians are growin' dope even all the way up there" to "Holy shit, what's that smell." to where even the outdoor weed from the prairies (much less proper British Colombian or Toronto indoor, that shit is fucking FIIIRE) matches up real well to most of the homegrown for sale (the best is kept) down here and this place is pretty famous for it's legendary outdoor. There are families in this state that have been growing weed since before the Revolutionary War. You would think it was legal up there.
The second it does become legal in either country it will be legal in the other.
EDIT: And drew is the Steve Erkel to Evilbore's Family Matters.
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I thought Canada was more liberal?
In broad strokes, yes. Criminal sentences for marijuana possession and cultivation are mere slaps on the wrist in Canada compared to the States, for example. But it's still illegal.
And we have had a Conservative government for the past five years, one that is flirting with majority-territory in this campaign. Though Conservatives do not exactly = Republicans here, no matter how hard the Grits try to make that association.
The second it does become legal in either country it will be legal in the other.
Yes. If by "either country" you mean "America" and by "the other" you mean "Canada."
Canada does not lead in the bilateral dance. I expect the judge's ruling to be appealed the moment the election is over.
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Well you'll be glad to know that our brothers in Washington State are probably gonna be the first to do it. It shall progress east, then north, then everywhere.
One day I will to able to share a fine cigar with you, boogie. One day our brothers from the North Pole all the way to the southern tip of Australia shall rejoice.
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Both of those guys look BAKED :lol
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In a positive election story: Religious engagement in politics done right.
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/04/15/18013136.html
In a religious first with an election twist, leaders from several major faiths in London have joined forces to preach the same message at the same time to Christians, Muslims and Jews.
The message: Vote and vote for the person or party you believe does the most to bridge the growing gap in Canada between the rich and the poor.
It’s likely the first time leaders of different religions in London have blanketed their followers with one message, and a political one at that.
“It is stunning. How often do all faiths in one community hear the same message, never mind at the same time?” said Rev. Kate Crawford of First St. Andrews United.
From Temple Israel’s Shabbat service last weekend and the London Muslim Mosque’s prayers Friday to Christian services this Sunday, the message is being spread through the city.
“We are one family at the end of the day,” Imam Jamal Taleb of London Muslim Mosque said Friday.
“We believe the gap between the rich and poor is growing. The change has to be made in Ottawa. Therefore we are encouraging our people to go and vote.”
Religious leaders stressed they don’t want to tell voters whom to choose in the May 2 federal election.
“We are not partisan. We want to use the process to effect change without giving an opinion about which candidate is doing it better,” said Rabbi Debra Dressler of Temple Israel in London.
But the religious leaders are making it equally clear they want their followers, and candidates, to focus on poverty.
“We have an obligation to the homeless, to the poor, to ask all the parties the question: what are you going to do?” said Rev. Jeffrey Crittenden of Metropolitan United.
The foray into the election arises from a new association of church leaders in London called the Religious Social Action Coalition.
So far, the coalition includes three large downtown Protestant churches — First St. Andrews United, Metropolitan United Church, The Cathedral Church of St. Paul (Anglican) — and the Sisters of St. Joseph, Temple Israel of London, and the London Muslim Mosque.
Church leaders and their congregations have been battling the symptoms of poverty for decades with food banks and meal programs, said Rev. Kevin Dixon of St Paul’s Anglican. Now they must push politicians to help find solutions.
“There is the implication by only treating the symptoms we are endorsing the policies at the root cause,” he said.
If voters can’t be persuaded to think of the poor for selfless reasons, they might want to consider the impact of poverty on their own lives, said Sister Sue Wilson of the Sisters of St. Joseph.
“The gap between the rich and the poor tears apart the fabric of society,” she said.
Studies have shown the wider the gap, the greater levels of violence, crime and, teen pregnancy in a community, she said.
The coalition has its roots in several casual meetings last fall among the ministers from the three large downtown churches.
They invited other leaders to join them in a fight against poverty, and the election provided the first chance to act, Crawford said.
“We looked at each other and said, ‘we need to do something.’ ”
No bullshit obsession with abortion and homosexuality. No overt partisan cherleading. Just the leaders of several faith communities coming together in an ecumenical effort to push a social justice message in the election. This is what public religion should be about.
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Yeah yeah, won't be so smug when you're forced to gay-Sharia-marry a Mexican!
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No Boogie won't be smug, just happy.
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[youtube=560,345]GEYwVb-6TeE[/youtube]
:bow Tommy Douglas :bow2
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voted today at the advance polls.
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voted today at the advance polls.
Write-in vote for yourself?
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Well you'll be glad to know that our brothers in Washington State are probably gonna be the first to do it. It shall progress east, then north, then everywhere.
I don't have a problem with pot being legal, but good luck with that. The big legalization proponents here in WA can't come together and agree on anything, plus the big Democrats won't support them publicly.
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Hmm, I guess I should update the thread as to the completely unexpected and game changing events that have occurred in the past week, which have turned this election from "meh" to "what the fuck is going on?"
The NDP, our "far" left and perennial third place party, under Jack Layton, has surged in the polls in the past week, eeking past the Liberals nationally, and DEMOLISHING the separatist Bloc Quebecois in the polls in Quebec. The latter especially is frickin' insane. It's axiomatic that the Bloc is king in Quebec, and everyone else is fighting for second place.
The Conservatives have dipped only a couple percentage points nationally, but it could be enough to kill any hope of a majority, unless the war between the Libs and the NDP splits the vote enough in their favour.
An NDP second place showing would be completely unprecedented. Off the top of my head, I don't think they've ever placed better than third-most seats in any federal election (but I'll be checking on that).
I do believe that if the NDP places in second, but the NDP + Libs are able to get a majority of seats without the Bloc, that they will vote down the Conservatives on the Throne Speech and form a coalition government.
Prime Minister Jack Layton. That is actually a possibility. What the fuck is going on here?
The big loser in the past week is definitely Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff. He sounds like a desperate man pleading for support in what little I've seen of him on TV in the past week.
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:bow NDP :bow2
Layton being hip to my digital needs
http://www.ndp.ca/press/layton-to-put-consumers-first-in-digital-economy
http://www.ndp.ca/platform/leadership-in-canada#section-5-14
:bow2
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Layton is by far the most charismatic of the leaders. He did great in the debates, and he has grown on me. Iggy is a total fail on that front.
But I'm not gonna lie, I'm scared of the idea of the party of Svend Robinson running the country.
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meh, think of it as the party of Tommy Douglas instead.
Who did you vote for btw?
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give me the TL DR summary. Who's your Obama, who's your McCain, and where can I buy bumperstickers
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Who did you vote for btw?
I let out a resigned sigh and voted Liberal. C-c-c-c-combo breaker.
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NDP wants Legalization. I hope those guys win.
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http://www.ndp.ca/platform/leadership-in-canada
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Hmm, hadn't seen that list.
5.1: Fail. Yes, we have issues with how we have treated our First Nations, but throwing money at the problem is not the issue. They get enough money in the current framework and it is horrendously squandered. This from talking with front-line RCMP members who have worked native areas. I do not know what the solution is, but I know that the NDP is not going to give us the solution.
5.2: don't care.
5.3: don't care.
5.4: don't care....too much.
5.5: okay, that's good.
5.6: don't care. Canadian farmers are doing just fine working the system as it currently is, believe me.
5.6: good. Pigs are doing barnstorming acts when the NDP becomes the party that is most pro-police. I consider all the parties' policing platforms to be pretty much lip-service, but I do believe that the NDP is, bizarrely, the most likely to put their money where their mouth is.
5.8: good.
5.9: ehhhh, we already have a lax immigration system. Not sure "speeding up" the current process is a good idea.
5.10: eh. we concede enough to French as it is.
5.11: shrug.
5.12: sounds good, mostly. (I'm not an abortion fan, so sue me.)
5.12: shrug.
5.14: good.
5.15: good. Tories were fucking stupid on that one.
5.16: shrug.
Declared immediate platform is okay. Concern with the finances, of course.
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NDP wants Legalization. I hope those guys win.
Do you think about anything else?
Single-issue voters. smh. :-\
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NDP wants Legalization. I hope those guys win.
Do you think about anything else?
Single-issue voters. smh. :-\
Clearly he doesn't. And referring to everyone working for marijuana legalization as "brothers" is kinda weird, dude.
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It's only one list of many http://www.ndp.ca/platform , it case you haven't seen the others.
The big thing I haven't seen any talk about that I care about is research grants. The Conservatives changed the way the sercs worked to be more buisness orientated and I was hoping that libs or ndp would talk about changing it back.
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NDP wants Legalization. I hope those guys win.
Do you think about anything else?
Single-issue voters. smh. :-\
Clearly he doesn't. And referring to everyone working for marijuana legalization as "brothers" is kinda weird, dude.
In this particular election, nothing else that happens would effect me at all except that.
Also, I forgot that there are womenfolk in the struggle. So brothers and sisters it is!
To put it into perspective, Canada could legalize and tax reefer at a rate of 600$/kilo. 15,000+ kilos cross the border every week.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/3039ztf.jpg)
That sounds like an entire national fuckin health care system paid for to me.
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It was interesting to see the largest national newspaper, the Globe and Mail, endorse the Conservatives today:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/the-globes-election-endorsement-facing-up-to-our-challenges/article2001610/
More interesting is, I mostly agree with their analysis. Odd that I voted against them, when much of that editorial speaks to me. ah well.
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There isn't much to that report: It's basicly, NDP is untested, promoses a lot, conservate are fiscal conseravatives, which is what we need after the economic crisis -- we should just forget about all their social policies in light of this. Also the bit about conservates really speaking for the county is totally wrong. They lost the popular vote. The country leans left, just the left is split into different parties.
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They lost the popular vote. The country leans left, just the left is split into different parties.
C'mon now. No one "wins" the popular vote in our system.
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In this particular election, nothing else that happens would effect me at all except that.
Also, I forgot that there are womenfolk in the struggle. So brothers and sisters it is!
To put it into perspective, Canada could legalize and tax reefer at a rate of 600$/kilo. 15,000+ kilos cross the border every week.
A) How does a potential, tho remote, legalization of marijuana in Canada affect you in Kentucky? Unless you visit Canada, in which case, by your own admission, our enforcement of our laws are lax enough that you have gotten away with use of the product here in any case.
B) Legalized Tax shit....please. Tobacco is a legalized, regulated product. And yet, up to 40% of tobacco trade in Ontario and Quebec (ie. the two most populous provinces in Canada) is from the black market cigarette trade. Which is to say, even if you legalize and regulate a product, it does not mean that you will eliminate the black market trade for that product. And tobacco is a far more difficult product to produce than is marijuana. My professional instinct is that even a decriminalization of marijuana will still result in a larger black market than currently exists for tobacco simply due to how much easier it is to grow that product than tobacco.
tl:dr : Libertopians and reefer idealists say that decriminalizing marijuana will eliminate the black market, but that is an unrealistic pipe dream given what I know of organized crime in this country.
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Given what I know of organized crime and the price of cannabis and tobacco ON THIS CONTINENT, 300 per pound is not at all the same as tripling (even quintupling!) the price of a pack of cigarettes through taxation. Good reefer is 2000+ a pound, unless you are in Jamaica (where 80 bucks will get you a trashbag). Quality reefer is NOT AT ALL easy to produce. Most people would much rather be able to grow warehouses full at 1700$ a pound without threat of jail than grow a tiny basement full at 2000$ per pound and have to worry about going to prison because the neighbor caught their first whiff of true dank.
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They lost the popular vote. The country leans left, just the left is split into different parties.
C'mon now. No one "wins" the popular vote in our system.
Leave my NDP rhetoric alone!
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Just voted. Com'on NDP!
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So what are the big issues? Is the Conservative party going to pick up or lose seats? Why can't the center-left parties form a government if they manage a majority among them? What's the representation system (first past the post, party lists, etc.)? Did Boogie and that leftist chick get it on?
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So what are the big issues?
There.....aren't any. :-\
F-35 fighter jet purchase, corporate tax cuts probably the biggest economic debate, Liberals pushed postsecondary education funding. Crime policy. some health care squabbling. The Conservatives' record of scandals/bumbles/potential corruption and contempt of Parliament.
But none of them really stand out as "big issues".
Is the Conservative party going to pick up or lose seats?
I'm no poll/stats geek, but 308 is projecting that the Conservatives are going to come out with the same number of seats they had at dissolution.
Why can't the center-left parties form a government if they manage a majority among them?
They can, and likely will, if they can scrounge up the seats. The fact that Harper hedged when asked directly about it the other day is ridiculous to me. It's like he's willing to set up a coup or some sort of constitutional crisis or some crazy shit.
What's the representation system (first past the post, party lists, etc.)?
first-past-the-post.
Did Boogie and that leftist chick get it on?
No.
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GAF moderator stumpokapow is illegally posting poll results on the GAF election thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27562015&postcount=3786
So, now, GAF has a mod who is a mother-beating drug-advocating violent thug. And another who flaunts his country's election laws.
edit: of course, he's edited some of his posts since I casually wondered about looking in to the specifics of the law.
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Did they look bad for conservates? That's what I want to know. When do the BC polls close?
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GAF moderator stumpokapow is illegally posting poll results on the GAF election thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27562015&postcount=3786
So, now, GAF has a mod who is a mother-beating drug-advocating violent thug. And another who flaunts his country's election laws.
edit: of course, he's edited some of his posts since I casually wondered about looking in to the specifics of the law.
Thread's gone now.
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GAF moderator stumpokapow is illegally posting poll results on the GAF election thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27562015&postcount=3786
So, now, GAF has a mod who is a mother-beating drug-advocating violent thug. And another who flaunts his country's election laws.
edit: of course, he's edited some of his posts since I casually wondered about looking in to the specifics of the law.
Thread's gone now.
naw, thread's there, he just deleted all of the incriminating posts after I said "I'm mulling making a complaint to elections Canada. Just letting you know." :lol
So now it's a mod who flagrantly breaks Canadian laws, then uses his authority as a mod to delete all the incriminating evidence. good jon, EviLore.
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Current seat projections:
Cons: 133
NDP: 60
Liberals: 26
BQ: 5 (suck it, Duceppe!)
Looks like first time in history Liberals won't be in first or second place in a Canadian election.
My gut says a majority is still in reach for Harper.
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If they win the ridings they're currently leading, and hold their seats in ridings they won last time which haven't reported in yet, Conservatives will get majority +11 seats, according to CBC right now.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/features/electionlive/ (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/features/electionlive/)
CBC's got a live online feed right now for anyone interested.
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stump's a good guy, an excellent citizen, and a genuine canadian patriot. I think that info he posted was announced by a Newfoundland radio station, who were asked to remove the information and stop reporting it, and he is following suit with that.
There are a lot of people I'll stand by and allow bashing of, but stump is literally one of the best human beings I've ever known, and I wish our country had a million more like him.
Okay. It just irked me how gleeful he was in skirting the results. I'll chalk it up to naive earnest excitement then.
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Majority all but guaranteed now.
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Soo...Harper wins?
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Soo...Harper wins?
If things shake out as they look.....
huge win.
T234 am cry
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It's interesting to see how irrelevant the Liberal party seems to have become in such a short time frame. Not too happy about the possibility of a Conservative majority but whatever. Is there a possibility of a coalition government as long as the NDP and Liberal seats outnumber the Conservatives?
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My riding pretty much stayed the same. NDP went up but conservatives still look it with 66%.
NDP at 100, holy shit.
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Cons just 3 short now :(
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NDP at 100, holy shit.
holy shit indeed
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For historical perspective, there hasn't been a Conservative majority government elected since 1988.
The Liberal meltdown won't match the conservative meltdown of 1993 though, in which they went from their 169 seat majority to....two. (right wing Reform party took 52 seats)
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We get CBC HD from Vancouver here in Seattle and I've been watching it, but I have no idea what's going on.
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Great to see the Bloc getting pasted. Down to a projected 3 seats.
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It's interesting to see how irrelevant the Liberal party seems to have become in such a short time frame. Not too happy about the possibility of a Conservative majority but whatever. Is there a possibility of a coalition government as long as the NDP and Liberal seats outnumber the Conservatives?
majority government kind of by definition means their seats outnumber the competition combined, so no.
I meant in the case that the Conservatives just barely miss the majority government. Not that it might really matter now...
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CBC now calling it as a majority.
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We get CBC HD from Vancouver here in Seattle and I've been watching it, but I have no idea what's going on.
One of the basicly founding parties just got an all time low. The cons which were in as a minority before came back as a majority. The quebec seperatices are mostly wipped out, and our left party the NDP picked up there seats which means for the first time ever they are the offical opposition.
Basicly, quebec voted for a federal party for the first time in a very long time and the libs which was our center party lost a lot of votes to either the more right or the left parties.
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And May got in. I like her.
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Block down to 2, lol
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Bets on Ignatieff stepping down? He looks so sad.
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Bets on Ignatieff stepping down? He looks so sad.
Guaranteed.
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Bets on Ignatieff stepping down? He looks so sad.
Does he really even have a choice at this point? iirc Dion stepped down pretty quick and he never did this poorly.
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Bets on Ignatieff stepping down? He looks so sad.
Does he really even have a choice at this point? iirc Dion stepped down pretty quick and he never did this poorly.
That's the inconceivable part to me. That Iggy could do worse than DION....
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So the Conservatives...how conservative are they? I've heard they aren't comparable to republicans
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So the Conservatives...how conservative are they? I've heard they aren't comparable to republicans
well, let's put it this way:
They may have a majority, but they're not going to be dismantling our universal health care.
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So the Conservatives...how conservative are they? I've heard they aren't comparable to republicans
It might be a bit hyperbolic in parts, but this (http://compellingcomics.justsomeguy.com/CanadaVotes2011/Canada.html) sums up some of the things the Conservatives have been up to...with a minority government.
Bets on Ignatieff stepping down? He looks so sad.
Does he really even have a choice at this point? iirc Dion stepped down pretty quick and he never did this poorly.
That's the inconceivable part to me. That Iggy could do worse than DION....
Dion actually won his riding tonight too :lol
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No NDP in Sask. is a bit shameful.
In the end I think a con majority is a fair price to pay for no bloc and an NDP opposition. Next election should be intresting.
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Soo...Harper wins?
If things shake out as they look.....
huge win.
T234 am cry
:( :(
Oh well. I guess the price of fluffy reefer will stay high, I guess.
*smokes a cigar for my Canadian brothers*
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How are the two mutually exclusive?
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I don't like the conservatives at all but a con majority/NDP opposition seems like a pretty good outcome overall. I hope they keep each other in check.
lol
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ya, umm, how do you keep a majority government in check?
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Actually, how does all that work in Canada?
Is it like the UK, where a majority party appoints ministers from the MP's, and policy is generally made through them and affirmed by parliament? Do back-benchers ever cause problems? Are there organized intraparty groups like the Blue Dogs?
Screw it. Just explain all of Canadian political history, plz.
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Actually, how does all that work in Canada?
Is it like the UK, where a majority party appoints ministers from the MP's,
Yes.
and policy is generally made through them and affirmed by parliament?
More-or-less.
Do back-benchers ever cause problems?
not really, to my memory.
Are there organized intraparty groups like the Blue Dogs?
Nope. And individual MPs in Canada have far less independence/freedom from the party line than representatives in the States.
Basically, unless it's designated a free vote, MPs have to vote the party line.
Screw it. Just explain all of Canadian political history, plz.
[youtube=560,345]yi1yhp-_x7A[/youtube]
okay, that doesn't really address your request. I just like the clip.
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Ah, thank you thank you.
There are ways in which the parliamentary system is so different. My British acquaintances always seem pretty shocked at the lack of party discipline in the US.
"What do a shopping cart and an MP have in common? They're both full of food and drink. What is different about them? The shopping cart has a mind of its own." <-- Also helps to have shopped at Sainsbury's.
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Is that the Canadian Jon Stewart? If so I feel even worse for you Canadians than I normally do
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So the Conservatives...how conservative are they? I've heard they aren't comparable to republicans
Here is an idea going by Bush vs Harper
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/columnists/story.html?id=0af97da6-b4bb-4d21-992f-2f9d688ff8f1&p=1
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(http://www.filibustercartoons.com/comics/20110504.jpg)
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Update on NDP joke MP Ruth Ellen Brosseau.
She won "her" Quebec riding, in spite of the following (some known before the election, some of which has come out after):
She does not live in her riding. She lives in Ottawa, and her riding is halfway between Montreal and Quebec City.
Nevermind not living in her riding, she has never even stepped foot in it!.
In her riding, 77% of the population speaks only French. Brosseau does not speak French at a conversational level.
In a six week campaign, she took a week's vacation in Las Vegas.
There are allegations that some of the signatures on her nomination application are fraudulent.
Her online biography claims a diploma from St. Lawrence College in Kingston in " Advertising and Integrated Marketing Communications", but the College says she has no such diploma because she did not complete the studies for the program.
Some high-quality MPs you've got here, Jack! :cancry
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Ya it seems like she was just in so that the NDP could make some money and was never expected to win.
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But she's hot, so whatev!
(http://ruthellenbrosseau.ndp.ca/sites/default/files/ruthellenbrosseau.ndp.ca/candidate-image.jpg)
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Her nose is weird.
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Update on NDP joke MP Ruth Ellen Brosseau.
She won "her" Quebec riding, in spite of the following (some known before the election, some of which has come out after):
She does not live in her riding. She lives in Ottawa, and her riding is halfway between Montreal and Quebec City.
the voters apparently didn't care
Nevermind not living in her riding, she has never even stepped foot in it!.
the voters apparently didn't care
In her riding, 77% of the population speaks only French. Brosseau does not speak French at a conversational level.
the voters apparently didn't care
In a six week campaign, she took a week's vacation in Las Vegas.
the voters apparently didn't care
There are allegations that some of the signatures on her nomination application are fraudulent.
Damned for "allegations", ooooohhhh despite the fact she was cleared (http://www.canada.com/news/Ruth+Ellen+Brosseau+cleared+Elections+Canada/4740008/story.html)
Her online biography claims a diploma from St. Lawrence College in Kingston in " Advertising and Integrated Marketing Communications", but the College says she has no such diploma because she did not complete the studies for the program.
Meh, let's parse the CV's of every MP
Some high-quality MPs you've got here, Jack! :cancry
If you can't come up with a better argument for against a working class single mom to be "deemed accecptable" for Parliament than 'VOTERS DIDN'T KNOW HOW WHITE TRASH, LOL", than stfu
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If you can't come up with a better argument for against a working class single mom to be "deemed accecptable" for Parliament than 'VOTERS DIDN'T KNOW HOW WHITE TRASH, LOL", than stfu
I....don't quite think my position is "LOL, WHITE TRASH". Not sure why what I said is an "argument against a working class single mom", either.
I mean, c'mon, it's just an absurd situation. You gotta laugh at it.
For bipartisanship's sake:
lmao, the Cons had an ex-MP who is a drunk-driving cokefiend! Way to pick 'em, Steve! :cancry
Better?
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But let's not fight.
Can we all agree that new Tory MP Chris Alexander is one sexy former UN ambassador?
(http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01271/folio-alexander_1271976cl-5.jpg)
:drool
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Hey, I didn't know the guy from Fringe was a Tory MP.