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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 11:15:01 AM

Title: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 11:15:01 AM

http://andriasang.com/comz7d/xiii2_sazh/

I know, he was the one identifiable human character in the game, possibly the series.  He is DLC though...in fact, it sounds like S-E is gearing up to release a fair amount of DLC for the game.  If there's one game that has a chance at beating Idolmaster's DLC sales, it's a FF game.

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First bits from this week's Dengeki PlayStation have leaked out, as usual a couple of days ahead of the magazine's release. It appears that the magazine has some big news for Final Fantasy XIII-2.

First, a review. The magazine gave the game an S rating. This is from the magazine's letter grade scale, where S is the top (followed by A, B, etc.).

The magazine also usually gives major games the full four person review treatment with each reviewer giving a score out of 100. Numbered scores haven't leaked out for FFXIII-2 yet, but we'll be on the lookout.

But forget about the review scores, here's a hot bit about the game that we're going to treat as a pseudo rumor until we've seen more ("pseudo" because it's probably true, but we want some context). The magazine apparently has an interview or Q&A where they ask if Sazh (whom you'll recall is the guy with the afro and baby Chocobo) won't appear in XIII-2. The reply is that "Final Fantasy XIII-2 will continue after release, so look forward to later."

This seems to suggest that Sazh will be added to the game as post release download content, meaning Square Enix is planning more substantial content than the monsters and costumes that have been announced thus far.

We'll hopefully have closer look at Dengeki's coverage of XIII-2 later in the day, so be sure and check back!

Another article with more details---
http://andriasang.com/comz7j/ffxiii2_dengeki/

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Dengeki PlayStation has a final pre-release interview with Final Fantasy XIII-2 producer Yoshinori Kitase and director Motomu Toriyama. We already shared a few bits from the interview that suggested that the Sazh character will appear not in the main game but as post release download content. Here are some other bits:

--Toriyama says that the game's various episodes are at most around 3 hours. They're made like this so that busy people can easily play.

--The bonuses for FFXIII owners keep on increasing. Now Toriyama says that if you have FFXIII save data (it doesn't have to be clear data, just save data), you'll get special monster decorations. Additionally, you'll get higher success rates in the game's casino area. The title screen will also have some sort of bonus.

--As previously detailed, you face off against the game's download content bosses in a coliseum area. There will also be small story elements here.

--There's an area of the world that will provide updates about available download content.

--The game has both auto save and save anywhere. Auto Save was apparently included because it's a trend for overseas games. However, it may be a bit hard to figure out where it's saving, so they've included the save anywhere option as well.

--You can make Odin into an ally monster. He first appears as a boss for one of the game's episodes.

--After clearing the game, you'll return to the opening. If you close the Historia Crux gate there, you'll be able to enjoy a "New Game Plus" type experience. You may want to play the game a second time, as there are some items that you'll only get on the second time through, like certain monster decorations that you get based off your Live Trigger conversation choices.

--When you first start the game, Noel and Serah can use Attacker, Blaster and Defender Roles.

As we mentioned earlier, Dengeki gave the game an "S" rating. This was part of one of the magazine's "Buyers Guide" reviews, and was not the full numbered review. As plusses, the review listed the selectable difficulties and the large amount of extra content. As a minus, the review said that the load times for switching areas is a bit long.


New video showing off environments--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= BxEboE6DtJU


yeah, don't trust 1st reviews (or any reviews for that matter.)  But monster coliseums, new game plus, autosave, HD towns, no more straight lines, lots and lots of extra crap to do, plus an improved FFXIII battle system = sign me the fuck up.  Hopefully it'll blend together as well as it looks, but I'll find out after I lose my $60. 


Edit: all story talk is banned. 
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 11:22:39 AM
DLC characters in a FF game.

Fuck this generation.


doesn't sound like he's involved in the story at all, so it's just a bonus thing if you're a fan, but yeah, I agree.   

but if he's standing there in the game and is like "I'd love to come along...will you take me?" and the choices are "Continue to XBL Marketplace™ to purchase Sazh™ Character Pack" and "No," I will be piss.   
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2011, 11:26:27 AM
so basically, this is ff monster rancher with ffx-2's fragmented "vignette" structure? starring two underaged tweeberts? and the same shitty ff13 battle system? do i still wander down non-interactive hallways everywhere? TRIPLE-PLUS PASS.

this smacks of the "delight" that was tales of symphonia: dawn of the new world, which ALSO starred two hateful moe tots and their monster ranch-ed pals. plus the original tales of symphonia was actually BETTER than ff13, although that's like saying ebola is better than necrotizing fasciitis.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 11:34:58 AM
so basically, this is ff monster rancher with ffx-2's fragmented "vignette" structure? starring two underaged tweeberts? and the same shitty ff13 battle system? do i still wander down non-interactive hallways everywhere? TRIPLE-PLUS PASS.

this smacks of the "delight" that was tales of symphonia: dawn of the new world, which ALSO starred two hateful moe tots and their monster ranch-ed pals. plus the original tales of symphonia was actually BETTER than ff13, although that's like saying ebola is better than necrotizing fasciitis.


*insert gaf-style multi-paragraphed post vigorously defending FFXIII-2's virtue and dignity before even playing it, with many cheap, passive aggressive jabs at drinky's taste in RPGs here*

but yes, FF character design is indefensible, but i've grown to accept that.  on the plus side, it makes them very easy to make fun of while playing.  I never played monster rancher though.  I hope it'll be more like Nocturne recruiting, with the ability to store/summon monsters, level them up, transmutate them, etc. 

@ the third question-- there will be hallways for sure, but it looks like they've moved away from FFXIII's one long straight line, with one token non-linear field. 
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: MCD on December 06, 2011, 11:35:30 AM
It's OK, we still have Hope.

HOPE.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: demi on December 06, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
Two playthroughs confirmed for 1000
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2011, 11:37:24 AM
no i don't

edit: i remember vaan, though, because he gave me the weirdest boner. i blame charlize theron.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 11:37:45 AM
Two playthroughs confirmed for 1000

definitely.  Probably "Collect all monster costumes" for 10 measly points, some monster costumes not available until NG+.   and then the costumes will be missable, making FAQs a must.  Wouldn't be a japanese game without that.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 11:39:14 AM
Remember Basch and Balthier designs? Their VOs?

Pinnacle of FF designs. Comparing them to any single FF13 cast or worse yet: FF13-2 ones is just.... ugh.


Basch was the closest thing the post-VII series has had to a manly character.  Balthier talked like a gentleman but still looked a little too fashion conscious for my taste.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
Remember Basch and Balthier designs? Their VOs?

Pinnacle of FF designs. Comparing them to any single FF13 cast or worse yet: FF13-2 ones is just.... ugh.


Basch was the closest thing the post-VII series has had to a manly character.  Balthier talked like a gentleman but still looked a little too fashion conscious for my taste.

(http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/it/images/1/10/Auron_art.jpg)

you guys wouldn't know manly if chuck norris kicked your balls personaly! :maf
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
oh yeah, that guy was cool

i guess jecht is manly too, but in some weird japanese interpretation of american manliness way
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Trent Dole on December 06, 2011, 12:22:22 PM
Auron fucking rules. Still find it hard to believe that XIII was made by the X team.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 12:31:50 PM
X was made in that gray period where they still wanted to preserve some masculinity, where by XIII, japan went full on bishonen+moe = $. 


edit: lol @ moms are tough defense force in the GAF sister thread I copied.  Excellent working sussing them out!
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 01:07:45 PM
yeah, i'm interested in FF sequels, but what I really want is FFXII International HD remake for the U.S.  Sounds so awesome.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2011, 01:17:54 PM
FFVII >> FFXIII confirmed cause it didn't have to remove a black guy to be awesome.

Remember Basch and Balthier designs? Their VOs?

Pinnacle of FF designs. Comparing them to any single FF13 cast or worse yet: FF13-2 ones is just.... ugh.

Man FFXII was a great game, it was also the game that pissed off most of the animu plebs.

:bow FFXII :bow2
Final Fantasy XII was terrible.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 01:20:29 PM
all "_____ is terrible" with no explanation from people with anime/jrpg avatars is banned. 
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Herr Mafflard on December 06, 2011, 01:25:11 PM
Remember Basch and Balthier designs? Their VOs?

Pinnacle of FF designs. Comparing them to any single FF13 cast or worse yet: FF13-2 ones is just.... ugh.


Basch was the closest thing the post-VII series has had to a manly character.  Balthier talked like a gentleman but still looked a little too fashion conscious for my taste.

(http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/it/images/1/10/Auron_art.jpg)

you guys wouldn't know manly if chuck norris kicked your balls personaly! :maf

man, only 4 buckles. How I miss the days of yore ;(
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
X was made in that gray period where they still wanted to preserve some masculinity, where by XIII, japan went full on bishonen+moe = $. 


edit: lol @ moms are tough defense force in the GAF sister thread I copied.  Excellent working sussing them out!

i'm going to punch van cruncheon in the dick :maf
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: iconoclast on December 06, 2011, 02:03:32 PM
Square is finally learning from WRPG developers... release a game then pump out tons of overpriced DLC for easy money. Guess I'll wait a year for them to release the complete version.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 02:04:16 PM
Square is finally learning from WRPG developers... release a game then pump out tons of overpriced DLC for easy money. Guess I'll wait a year for them to release the complete version.

horse zipper and belts
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Tasty on December 06, 2011, 02:07:36 PM
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Final Fantasy XIII-2 will continue after release, so look forward to later.

FF13-3  :dur :dur
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 06, 2011, 02:16:49 PM
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Final Fantasy XIII-2 will continue after release, so look forward to later.

FF13-3  :dur :dur

Not like you'll ever even have the system to play the game.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2011, 02:29:22 PM
all "_____ is terrible" with no explanation from people with anime/jrpg avatars is banned. 
I feel like I've discussed this too many times. I hate retreading overly familiar topics. In short I hated the battle system (which to me is the most important bit of a FF title) (even finished that poopie game X-2 cause the battle system was fantastic)
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 02:37:59 PM
X was made in that gray period where they still wanted to preserve some masculinity, where by XIII, japan went full on bishonen+moe = $. 


edit: lol @ moms are tough defense force in the GAF sister thread I copied.  Excellent working sussing them out!

i'm going to punch van cruncheon in the dick :maf


we can have this debate here too, but you'll suffer like Raxphshephon did
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 02:40:33 PM
all "_____ is terrible" with no explanation from people with anime/jrpg avatars is banned. 
I feel like I've discussed this too many times. I hate retreading overly familiar topics. In short I hated the battle system (which to me is the most important bit of a FF title) (even finished that poopie game X-2 cause the battle system was fantastic)


i agree X-2's battle system ruled.  Reminds me a lot of XIII- putting up with embarrassment and loss of dignity for a good battle system.

XII is different, for sure.  You get hooked to it or not.  Though they fucked up the balance by making it so everyone is awesome at everything by the end.  Fixed in International Zodiac...
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 02:53:05 PM
X was made in that gray period where they still wanted to preserve some masculinity, where by XIII, japan went full on bishonen+moe = $. 


edit: lol @ moms are tough defense force in the GAF sister thread I copied.  Excellent working sussing them out!

i'm going to punch van cruncheon in the dick :maf


we can have this debate here too, but you'll suffer like Raxphshephon did

ehy he said mass effect was good and that's way a bigger offense than anything you could say about FF13!
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 02:55:04 PM
jrpg fans are not tough
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Tasty on December 06, 2011, 02:55:41 PM
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Final Fantasy XIII-2 will continue after release, so look forward to later.

FF13-3  :dur :dur

Not like you'll ever even have the system to play the game.

Good. :lol
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2011, 02:56:49 PM
mass effect 2 *is* good. great, even. ff13 is garbage. not much to discuss. you can question these assertions, but your subsequent dismantling will be abbreviated and gruesome.

you can spare yourself by admitting that you have a pretty narrow definition of what makes a proper rpg experience for you, and then running off to sob hoarsely into the down-filled embrace of your haruhi pillow-waifu.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: D3RANG3D on December 06, 2011, 02:58:34 PM
X was made in that gray period where they still wanted to preserve some masculinity, where by XIII, japan went full on bishonen+moe = $. 


edit: lol @ moms are tough defense force in the GAF sister thread I copied.  Excellent working sussing them out!

i'm going to punch van cruncheon in the dick :maf


we can have this debate here too, but you'll suffer like Raxphshephon did

ehy he said mass effect was good and that's way a bigger offense than anything you could say about FF13!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
What that FF13 is less Playable than vanilla Oblivion?
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Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: MCD on December 06, 2011, 03:05:09 PM
http://www.ff13-2-ie9.com/

Old man Van, Please support FFXIII-2 powered by IE9.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2011, 03:12:42 PM
Warning, guys. Dengeki gave FF13-2 a great score too.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 03:13:13 PM
http://www.ff13-2-ie9.com/

Old man Van, Please support FFXIII-2 powered by IE9.


clicks in Safari....wowwwwwwwww
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: MCD on December 06, 2011, 03:13:57 PM
>Safari

Oh you.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 03:14:03 PM
mass effect 2 *is* good. great, even. ff13 is garbage. not much to discuss. you can question these assertions, but your subsequent dismantling will be abbreviated and gruesome.

you can spare yourself by admitting that you have a pretty narrow definition of what makes a proper rpg experience for you, and then running off to sob hoarsely into the down-filled embrace of your haruhi pillow-waifu.

i can't say i've played mass effect 2 but i played the first one and i'll happily take FF13 over that lame shooter looking thing you guys call an rpg any time :smug
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 03:18:32 PM
mass effect 2 *is* good. great, even. ff13 is garbage. not much to discuss. you can question these assertions, but your subsequent dismantling will be abbreviated and gruesome.

you can spare yourself by admitting that you have a pretty narrow definition of what makes a proper rpg experience for you, and then running off to sob hoarsely into the down-filled embrace of your haruhi pillow-waifu.

i can't say i've played mass effect 2 but i played the first one and i'll happily take FF13 over that lame shooter looking thing you guys call an rpg any time :smug


I haven't played Final Fantasy 6 but I played Final Fantasy 5 and I'll happily take a finger up my butt before I play another grinding, lifeless bore fest you guys call an rpg any time   
:smug


"but FF6 is a big improvement!"

"so is ME2!" 

you lose
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: iconoclast on December 06, 2011, 03:20:31 PM
You would probably like ME2 even less than the first one, since Bioware took all of the RPG stuff out of it. So if you don't care about the story, definitely avoid.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 03:30:59 PM
jrpg fans/anime avatars shit up every thread.  they should all just be quarantined in a special forum ghetto where they can passionately argue the finer points of narrative, character development, and art, which years of playing jrpgs and watching anime has made them experts in. 
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2011, 03:31:52 PM
Final Fantasy V is bar none the best FF, then X. Amazing battle systems
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: iconoclast on December 06, 2011, 03:35:28 PM
jrpg fans/anime avatars shit up every thread.  they should all just be quarantined in a special forum ghetto where they can passionately argue the finer points of narrative, character development, and art, which years of playing jrpgs and watching anime has made them experts in. 

Dunno if you're talking about me, but I don't really play W or JRPGs any more. Waste of time. But it's not like anyone is playing Mass Effect for its C-tier gameplay - obviously the story is the main hook.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2011, 03:37:35 PM
Mass Effect 2 has great gameplay.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 03:39:53 PM
jrpg fans/anime avatars shit up every thread.  they should all just be quarantined in a special forum ghetto where they can passionately argue the finer points of narrative, character development, and art, which years of playing jrpgs and watching anime has made them experts in. 

Dunno if you're talking about me, but I don't really play W or JRPGs any more. Waste of time. But it's not like anyone is playing Mass Effect for its C-tier gameplay - obviously the story is the main hook.


nah, not directed at you.  I'm a fan of all that stuff to, just posting non-sense/frustration with rpg fans.  I don't see you ever debating about rpgs the way some fans do.

Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 06, 2011, 04:02:19 PM
So...wait, I'm lost.  I haven't been following this game since it was announced.  What exactly...is this?

A full sequel to XIII with returning party members, continued story, and an extension of the amazing battle system from the first game?

Or is it, like, some sideoff with no real story and just basically Generic Hunt Quests: The Game?
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 06, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
So...wait, I'm lost.  I haven't been following this game since it was announced.  What exactly...is this?

A full sequel to XIII with returning party members, continued story, and an extension of the amazing battle system from the first game?

Yes.

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Or is it, like, some sideoff with no real story and just basically Generic Hunt Quests: The Game?

Maybe.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Probably not.
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Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: D3RANG3D on December 06, 2011, 04:25:07 PM
jrpg fans/anime avatars shit up every thread.  they should all just be quarantined in a special forum ghetto where they can passionately argue the finer points of narrative, character development, and art, which years of playing jrpgs and watching anime has made them experts in.

.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 04:28:12 PM
So...wait, I'm lost.  I haven't been following this game since it was announced.  What exactly...is this?

A full sequel to XIII with returning party members, continued story, and an extension of the amazing battle system from the first game?

Or is it, like, some sideoff with no real story and just basically Generic Hunt Quests: The Game?

if i'm reading things right, it's a full sequel to XIII with different/new characters, continued story, an extension of the battle system with a lot of new side stuff, maybe hunts, definitely a battle coliseum, and the other mini-game side stuff that is normally in Final Fantasy but not in XIII and new game+ with some incentives to play NG+ and multiple difficulty levels.   

which is why i'm excited to play it-- sounds like a real FF game with some new features and modern conveniences/improvements  vs. Only The Battle System Is Good: The Game (XIII)
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2011, 04:43:00 PM
there's only two playable characters, and a boatload of MONSTER PALS!! wheeeeeeeeeeee. tales of symphonia: dawn of the uncanny valley HERE U CUM

the only worse than a cash in is a cash in on a busted-ass game
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Tasty on December 06, 2011, 04:45:26 PM
jrpg fans/anime avatars shit up every thread.  they should all just be quarantined in a special forum ghetto where they can passionately argue the finer points of narrative, character development, and art, which years of playing jrpgs and watching anime has made them experts in.

Don't lump me in with them, bro.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 06, 2011, 04:49:09 PM
jrpg fans/anime avatars shit up every thread.  they should all just be quarantined in a special forum ghetto where they can passionately argue the finer points of narrative, character development, and art, which years of playing jrpgs and watching anime has made them experts in.

Don't lump me in with them, bro.

You're in your own special hell here, Nintendoboy.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2011, 05:03:15 PM
so wait, just so i'm clear on this - the battle system is largely unchanged?
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
jrpg fans/anime avatars shit up every thread.  they should all just be quarantined in a special forum ghetto where they can passionately argue the finer points of narrative, character development, and art, which years of playing jrpgs and watching anime has made them experts in.

Don't lump me in with them, bro.


you wish! 

there's only two playable characters, and a boatload of MONSTER PALS!! wheeeeeeeeeeee. tales of symphonia: dawn of the uncanny valley HERE U CUM

the only worse than a cash in is a cash in on a busted-ass game


interesting analogy, haven't played it. 

and what the hell is there to cash in on?  nobody outright loved XIII except the asperger's monkeys defending the moms are tough scene. 

this is a "fixed edition" more than anything.  which is lame in itself, but I can't say I care much. 
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 05:05:49 PM
so wait, just so i'm clear on this - the battle system is largely unchanged?


i think they expanded it so it isn't quite as repetitive. 
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
there's only two playable characters, and a boatload of MONSTER PALS!! wheeeeeeeeeeee. tales of symphonia: dawn of the uncanny valley HERE U CUM

the only worse than a cash in is a cash in on a busted-ass game

x-2 has three playable characters. bof: dq has three playable characters. vagrant story has one playable character. skyrim has one playable character. your move, chief.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 06, 2011, 05:11:09 PM
I'd rather get cancer than get caught playing this; it would be easier to explain to my family
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 05:14:37 PM
I'd rather get cancer than get caught playing this; it would be easier to explain to my family


sucks your status as a pedophile is such a brittle topic for them...   8)
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 05:15:57 PM
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interesting analogy, haven't played it.

and what the hell is there to cash in on?  nobody outright loved XIII except the asperger's monkeys defending the moms are tough scene.

this is a "fixed edition" more than anything.  which is lame in itself, but I can't say I care much.

it's final fantasy,the series that sold like 5 millions with each installament and you are asking what is there to cash in on?

nobody outright hated XIII except the asperger's monkeys attacking the moms are tough scene. :smug
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 06, 2011, 05:26:00 PM
I'd rather get cancer than get caught playing this; it would be easier to explain to my family
sucks your status as a pedophile is such a brittle topic for them...   8)

I'm not quite sure how to interpret that statement, so I'll go with "FFXIII-2 fans are pedophiles"
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: demi on December 06, 2011, 06:04:54 PM
i love pumping kiddies with my fluids. bring on 13-2!
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Tasty on December 06, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
jrpg fans/anime avatars shit up every thread.  they should all just be quarantined in a special forum ghetto where they can passionately argue the finer points of narrative, character development, and art, which years of playing jrpgs and watching anime has made them experts in.

Don't lump me in with them, bro.

You're in your own special hell here, Nintendoboy.

Ya ya, I just don't want to be put in the same cage as the animu crazies. I want my own cage.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: tiesto on December 06, 2011, 08:32:07 PM
Final Fantasy V is bar none the best FF, then X. Amazing battle systems

Hell yeah, 5 is definitely the best FF by far :bow2

I wasn't interested at all in XIII-2 when I first heard the announcement, but having played it at NY Comic Con I'm a good deal more hyped. I always liked the XIII battle system, and the game seems to address many issues with the linearity and lack of interesting content in XIII. There are minigames, puzzles, a few basic choices to make (storm the enemy or try and solve a puzzle and weaken the enemy?) and the game seems to be taking a bunch of cues from Radiant Historia, which was an awesome game.

Music is fucking sick too, :bow DnB boss theme complete with MCing :bow2

Mass Effect 2 when I played it I was like "wow this plays so much better than the first game"... but in hindsight, the whole game felt kind of empty and lacking the magic the original (as broken as it was) had. Also that was before I played Vanquish... have no idea how I'm gonna put up with the gameplay in ME3 after playing the king of all TPS games.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2011, 09:10:33 PM
Game got a 40/40 in Famitsu.

But considering Skyward Sword, which is the worst 3d Zelda got a 40/40 and FFXIII which is the worst FF got a 39/40....lol famitsu lol


Meanwhile legitimately good games like Skyrim and Gundam Extreme get 39/40s.  Famitsu reviews would be nice if you could parse out which ones get the higher scores "just because" and which ones do because they are great games.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: iconoclast on December 06, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
I thought Skyrim got a 40.

So FFXIII2 is as good as Skyrim which is as good as Nintendogs.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2011, 09:17:25 PM
And MGS4

and Zelda 7.5
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 06, 2011, 10:02:13 PM
40/40, told you guys this game was perfect

haters owned   :usacry
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2011, 11:35:45 PM
FFXIII-2 OR SSX?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2011, 11:56:25 PM
SSX should get a 41/40

It's just that awesome (assuming it is as good as SSX1-3)
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 07, 2011, 04:18:56 AM
BORYS ARE YOU HYPED FOR FF13-2 CUZ I AM
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Momo on December 07, 2011, 04:57:34 AM
NAILED IT
Not even close
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 07, 2011, 09:20:27 AM
Except FF12 was great (except Vaan), but apperently too rough for people who fantasize about jap girls crying when big white man puts his penis in.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 07, 2011, 09:26:43 AM
ashe seemed too unavailable and confident in herself.  She spent all that time worrying about avenging her dead boyfriend when I'm right here for her!  And fran isn't all "watashi wa fran bunny ears-u desu ne hehehe ^__^;"   :derp 
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Momo on December 07, 2011, 09:28:50 AM
FFXII annoyed people mostly due to the battle systems (in my experience)
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 07, 2011, 09:32:02 AM
FFXII annoyed people mostly due to the battle systems (in my experience)


yeah, but we are smarter than that.  we know it was the earth tone color palette and lack of silly skits where Basch walks in on Penelo showering and blushes while she naively and happily jumps around with a towel that keeps almost falling off. 

Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 07, 2011, 09:43:38 AM
the characters in FF12 had names? :o

there was a plot? :o
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 07, 2011, 09:47:25 AM
you know i like that scene,most people post it and go "hur dur it's awkward he sounds like a crow" but as i see it that's the whole point of it

Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 07, 2011, 09:57:57 AM
Magus I think you are confused.

The thing is FF12 actually had characters and a plot and not stereotypes and fanfiction like 13.

But being raised on jrpg and animu you are forgiven.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: tiesto on December 07, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
FFXII annoyed people mostly due to the battle systems (in my experience)

I didn't like FFXII due to the battle system, atrocious loot system, and the emptiness of the world, game really had ridiculous amounts of filler in it.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 07, 2011, 11:07:15 AM
Do not address me anymore in the future, magus.

ehy i wouldn't address anyone who like a game with this in it anyway :smug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlfH3r780So
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 07, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
Do not address me anymore in the future, magus.

ehy i wouldn't address anyone who like a game with this in it anyway :smug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlfH3r780So


actually a pretty cute scene and a great counterexample to moms are tough and ffx laughing...less is more when they show things instead of slamming you over the head with terrible, blunt dialogue. 


If Sephiroth said some lame super villain dialogue when he kills Aeris, that would cheapen that scene too.  Though i'd still be sad on the first play through cause that was my healer dammit
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 07, 2011, 11:20:09 AM
That fmv is better then anything I saw in FF13.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 07, 2011, 11:23:05 AM
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actually a pretty cute scene and a great counterexample to moms are tough and ffx laughing...less is more when they show things instead of slamming you over the head with terrible, blunt dialogue.

(http://i.imgur.com/2EAAg.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: demi on December 07, 2011, 11:26:21 AM
Magus I think you are confused.

The thing is FF12 actually had characters and a plot and not stereotypes and fanfiction like 13.

But being raised on jrpg and animu you are forgiven.

You're welcome to tell me what both of these are
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Momo on December 07, 2011, 11:28:52 AM
Final Fantasy VIII was a fun game, adored Edea and Laguna
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Momo on December 07, 2011, 11:37:33 AM
magus
Master of turn based lepering
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 07, 2011, 02:10:42 PM
i thought ff12 annoyed people because it was less than half finished upon release

can see why westaboos like it though, they're pretty much used to that shit

???

You mean FFXIII, right?
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 07, 2011, 06:11:33 PM
i thought ff12 annoyed people because it was less than half finished upon release

can see why westaboos like it though, they're pretty much used to that shit

better half finished then ill-conceived
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 08, 2011, 11:37:42 AM
scumbag final fantasy fan

*complains about have to hit autobattle everytime in FF13*

*is okay with just sitting back and watching FF12 play itself*
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Momo on December 08, 2011, 12:29:27 PM
Most FF fans are scumbags of some form though
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2011, 02:19:37 PM
scumbag final fantasy fan

*complains about have to hit autobattle everytime in FF13*

*is okay with just sitting back and watching FF12 play itself*

my ff12 never played itself
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 08, 2011, 02:22:09 PM
not my fault you suck at the game himuro :smug
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2011, 02:40:58 PM
huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 08, 2011, 03:07:27 PM
huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?

oh sure sure "limit the auto-attack usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?" :smug

have you really tried playing FF12 without gambits? i did! it wasn't pretty
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 08, 2011, 03:15:47 PM
huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?
have you really tried playing FF12 without gambits? i did! it wasn't pretty

So you're saying you suck at the game? :smug
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2011, 03:16:51 PM
I played FF12 without gambits for 50 hours on wait mode. I didn't say DON'T use gambits. I said LIMIT your gambits, as in, don't make a gambit for every action. Just for stuff you're going to do anyways.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 08, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
I purposely played with all gambits turned off. It actually played like a turn-based JRPG that way. :rock
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2011, 03:20:14 PM
It plays like a turn based rpg with them on.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2011, 03:23:03 PM
huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?

oh sure sure "limit the auto-attack usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?" :smug

have you really tried playing FF12 without gambits? i did! it wasn't pretty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=417QIw3fWRs

the thing about gambits is that...the game isn't playing by itself because you created that gambit set up and you adjust your strategy depending on what happens. In this fight, the guy is getting targeted by about 2-3 guys at once, so he deliberately seperates one of them from the rest of the pack so he can take him on by himself, then he tries to blind him, and uses support magic and items on his party when necessary. As he whittles down the enemy, he adjusts his strategy. That is not "playing by itself", there are many things going on at once in this battle. It may not be your thing, but it hardly plays itself, especially since you have complete control over your entire party.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 08, 2011, 03:33:03 PM
huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?

oh sure sure "limit the auto-attack usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?" :smug

have you really tried playing FF12 without gambits? i did! it wasn't pretty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=417QIw3fWRs

the thing about gambits is that...the game isn't playing by itself because you created that gambit set up and you adjust your strategy depending on what happens. In this fight, the guy is getting targeted by about 2-3 guys at once, so he deliberately seperates one of them from the rest of the pack so he can take him on by himself, then he tries to blind him, and uses support magic and items on his party when necessary. As he whittles down the enemy, he adjusts his strategy. That is not "playing by itself", there are many things going on at once in this battle. It may not be your thing, but it hardly plays itself, especially since you have complete control over your entire party.

don't kid yourself himuro,a guy tanks,one heals,the other cast spells,throw one of those complicated for the sake of complicated mist chain and that's how 90% of the fight in FF12 goes,and you will never need to fix that because everybody will fall for it,the whole game falls down the same instant you get access to bubble

and besides that video does use gambit,i tought we were talking about not using gambit for any single character? because if we are talking about using gambit for 2 characters and not the one you control that's how i played it and it's still way too automated
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2011, 03:40:38 PM
I don't use mist. Mist sucks.

I didn't say don't use gambits. Can you read?!?!?!?!?

In any case, when people say FFXIII "plays itself" we mean absence of control. You have zero say in what the other team mates are doing and can't customize their actions. In FFXII, you can. This makes the game feel like it's completely automated since most of the battles up until the last third of the game can be beaten by simply pressing auto battle.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 08, 2011, 03:51:02 PM
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I didn't say don't use gambits. Can you read?!?!?!?!?

what? you are the one that said

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I played FF12 without gambits for 50 hours on wait mode.

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You have zero say in what the other team mates are doing

but you do have control what your other team mates are doing,it's called switching paradigm and there won't be any magic robot that will switch it for you when your HP dips below 50%,in FF12 you might as well not pay any attention to what's happening

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This makes the game feel like it's completely automated since most of the battles up until the last third of the game can be beaten by simply pressing auto battle.

and what's wrong with that? steal -> attack until HP = 0 tells you anything?
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2011, 04:01:42 PM
I played FFXII on wait mode with no gambits and it sucked. I hated it.

Then I started using gambits and fell in love with the game.

Paradigm shifting sucks because it's just swithcing modes. Typically, in FFXIII, you're on the offensive and using rav -> rav -> com or something in combination with autobattle. So when your hp is depleted you switch to med, heal up, and then switch again. It feels like you're not in control because sometimes my guys don't heal me in time, or sometimes they'll do something I don't want them to do. The result is a very vapid battle system that doesn't take advantage of the full use of its systems until the very end of the game.

In FFXII, you customize every single layer of your character's input and actions. They won't do ANYTHING you don't tell them to do. You have complete control over your party, and if something goes bad, you can adjust depending on the situation and play style. You will very often get damaged heavily and be on a complete defensive. This is especially true since a lot of enemies appear that are far higher level than you and you can venture into places where enemies are 10, 20, or 30 times higher than you in level, but with the right strategy, you can totally take them on.

Notice how in the video I posted, the character's are running out of mp, resources are light, and they're using any and every thing to stay alive while slowing chipping away enemy after enemy, separating enemies from their pack, and using full use of the game's systems.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 08, 2011, 04:32:05 PM
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Paradigm shifting sucks because it's just swithcing modes.

and switching gambits it's not just switching modes?

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It feels like you're not in control because sometimes my guys don't heal me in time

and i love that! when that happens it's your fault for not switching rapidly enough,no gambit will save your ass and that's how it should work

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you're on the offensive and using rav -> rav -> com or something in combination with autobattle. So when your hp is depleted you switch to med, heal up, and then switch again.

and you think FF12 is more complicated? the game where you can kill enemies in a single attack by just hitting them with the -aga spell they are weak against and the spell that makes you basicaly invincinble?

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or sometimes they'll do something I don't want them to do.

at worst they will cast the defensive buff before the offensive one,if you have problem with that,take the role of the buffer and do it yourself,you have to be a pretty big control freak to have a problem with that

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but with the right strategy, you can totally take them on.

well then let's talk about this supposed strategy that involves something you can do in FF12 but not in FF13,beside "i can divide enemies because i'm in a MMO like enviroment"

Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: demi on December 08, 2011, 04:34:40 PM
why do you always get in this argument? i think we established that 12 is poo butter.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Positive Touch on December 08, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
himu you're arguing with a guy that shits on almost every quality game he touches, yet whines about how pedo rpgs and japanese gimmick crap don't get translated.  he constantly bitches about the lack of weeaboo whimsy.  he tried to argue that level design is not a factor in games.  WALK AWAY HIMU, WALK AWAY
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 08, 2011, 07:17:42 PM
himu you're arguing with a guy that shits on almost every quality game he touches, yet whines about how pedo rpgs and japanese gimmick crap don't get translated.  he constantly bitches about the lack of weeaboo whimsy.  he tried to argue that level design is not a factor in games.  WALK AWAY HIMU, WALK AWAY

if i had any idea what is your favourite game ever i'd tell you it sucks :punch
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Bebpo on December 08, 2011, 07:36:23 PM
I like every FF

...except 13 and DS version of III.

 :)
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2011, 08:11:20 PM
I like every FF

...except 13 and DS version of III.

 :)

I like 13...it's just...well, the only thing the game has to offer are battles, battles, battles. I mean, I like the battle system, but it's not good enough to be the only thing to carry the game. It's not like it's SMT or some shit. Hell, it's not even an FFXII. Even the dungeon design is non-existent.

I think I'm going to go LOVE 13-2 for this reason.
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Positive Touch on December 08, 2011, 08:35:12 PM
I like every FF

...except 13 and DS version of III.

 :)

add ff2 to that list to complete the trinity
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 08, 2011, 08:59:14 PM
we could make a ff garbage thread where someone just posts a FF title and people praise/bash/argue about it
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Positive Touch on December 08, 2011, 10:39:06 PM
careful guys, we're getting dangerously close to list wars
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 08, 2011, 11:08:16 PM
how to destroy every ff thread ever

ff4>ff5>ff7>ff6>ff1>ff10>ff12>ff9>ff8>ff2>ff3>ff13>ff10-2

NUH UH

ffx-2 > ffxiii > ff3 > ff2 > ff8 > ff9 > ff12 > ff10 > ff1 > ff6 > ff7 > ff5 > ff4 

I hated the story in your favorite ff game so much, it was so stupid.  ugh and the character design, just proof that japanese guy's name here is the biggest distinguished mentally-challenged fellow in the video game industry your favorite ff game is the worst game ever and you have no taste in jrpgs the main character was so terrible and insert talking about everything but gameplay here
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 08, 2011, 11:13:29 PM
how to destroy every ff thread ever

ff4>ff5>ff7>ff6>ff1>ff10>ff12>ff9>ff8>ff2>ff3>ff13>ff10-2

oh oh oh me next

VI > IV > IX > X > VII > V > XIII > VIII > III > XII > I > II
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 08, 2011, 11:15:16 PM
but really, there's no reason they shouldn't just throw in X-2 along with the X HD, since it's the same assets and all. 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2011, 11:51:36 PM
getting a sulfuric acid enema >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ff*
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on December 09, 2011, 03:19:06 AM
FFVIII > FFXII > FFX-2 > FFVI > FFIX > FFX > FFVII > FFV > FFIII > FFIV > FFXIII

And also, Xenoblade is FFXII done right.

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Momo on December 09, 2011, 03:44:10 AM
games > sex > anime > ice cream > smoking > beer > movies  < dirty poors
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: magus on December 09, 2011, 06:08:28 AM
I like every FF

...except 13 and DS version of III.

 :)

I like 13...it's just...well, the only thing the game has to offer are battles, battles, battles. I mean, I like the battle system, but it's not good enough to be the only thing to carry the game. It's not like it's SMT or some shit. Hell, it's not even an FFXII. Even the dungeon design is non-existent.

I think I'm going to go LOVE 13-2 for this reason.

there is a lot of other things to like in FF13,the music,the characters,how it looks

of course now the characters are going to be replaced by that annoying bimbo,the music has been turned into rap and the assets are going to be all recycled

square ruining another good thing yet again :fbm
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 09, 2011, 07:27:31 AM
i didn't think borys would have snapped when talking about his dear serah :fbm

bet the serah wallpaper is the only reason he bothered to get 1000/1000
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 09, 2011, 09:11:16 AM
methodagus
Title: Re: FFXIII-2 gets S rank from Dengeki after removing the one black guy
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 12:16:01 PM


there is a lot of other things to like in FF13,the music,the characters,how it looks

 :lol
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 09, 2011, 12:28:26 PM
i have been replaying FFXIII and can confirm that those are not things to like. 


the music is good, but yeah, it's 2011 and there are still 2 battle themes for an entire 30 hour+ game, depending on how much you want to endure.   I'm surprised the jrpg fan curators of taste don't complain about this more.   Usually when I bring this up, I get "WHAT U DINT LIKE THE BATTLE THEME?  I LOVE IT  :derp " 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 12:40:45 PM
Huh? People with taste complain about one battle theme because we've been exposed to SMT, which has 3 or so depending on the game. but that's the distinction: jrpg fans complain about it. final fantasy fans don't. final fantasy fans tend to not be jrpg fans.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on December 09, 2011, 12:44:36 PM
I can tolerate 13's theme moreso than the past games. It's not so much liking it, it's the fact you have to hear it over the course of 60 hours. And 13 is good.

I can't stomach especially 8's. horrible theme.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 12:45:22 PM
the problem with 13's is that they use it as the main action theme when outside of battle at least 5 times

shit is overdone.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 09, 2011, 12:47:30 PM
Huh? People with taste complain about one battle theme because we've been exposed to SMT, which has 3 or so depending on the game. but that's the distinction: jrpg fans complain about it. final fantasy fans don't. final fantasy fans tend to not be jrpg fans.

persona 3 has one battle theme too but i don't see anybody ever complain
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on December 09, 2011, 12:49:08 PM
baby baby baby
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Momo on December 09, 2011, 01:26:21 PM
Huh? People with taste complain about one battle theme because we've been exposed to SMT, which has 3 or so depending on the game. but that's the distinction: jrpg fans complain about it. final fantasy fans don't. final fantasy fans tend to not be jrpg fans.

persona 3 has one battle theme too but i don't see anybody ever complain

Thing is though, Persona 3 has one of the best OST's of pretty much all time
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 09, 2011, 01:34:12 PM
Huh? People with taste complain about one battle theme because we've been exposed to SMT, which has 3 or so depending on the game. but that's the distinction: jrpg fans complain about it. final fantasy fans don't. final fantasy fans tend to not be jrpg fans.

persona 3 has one battle theme too but i don't see anybody ever complain

DUH NUH NUH NUH

DA DUH NUH NUH NUH 

yeah, i definitely hate that.  The persona games do music pretty terribly...the same damn songs the whole time

nocturne is still the best jrpg
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Momo on December 09, 2011, 01:43:14 PM
Quote
DUH NUH NUH NUH

DA DUH NUH NUH NUH 

yeah, i definitely hate that.  The persona games do music pretty terribly...the same damn songs the whole time

nocturne is still the best jrpg

Opera/Modern
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdMhTL5bZrs

Jazz/Modern
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Z6E5ResUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKsyY7Mnhmg

Modern/Electric
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56f2Kt6IeZU

Modern/Hip Hop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MCExpXou3k

Modern/Pop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sw96AHqCco



Really? Really? Each song has very different influences
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 01:50:59 PM
I never felt like...a Sistine opera, I never felt like the ice cream would bounce away
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Momo on December 09, 2011, 01:53:43 PM
I never felt like...a Sistine opera, I never felt like the ice cream would bounce away
Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Pn8y-odQ4
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on December 09, 2011, 02:08:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmAi_yAu3Hs

This vid is sick
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 02:08:14 PM
Momo, he's talking about how you're in one location the entire game and the songs rarely change, which isn't true because songs are seasonal, but he still has a point. In any case, DDS1 is Meguro's best ost.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 02:08:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmAi_yAu3Hs

This vid is sick

:bow

holy shit
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on December 09, 2011, 02:11:47 PM
Noel is beast
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 02:13:28 PM
The music :o

shit hot
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 02:19:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n79KhR1sZY

:o :bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Momo on December 09, 2011, 02:22:18 PM
Meguro :bow

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 09, 2011, 03:03:32 PM
Momo, he's talking about how you're in one location the entire game and the songs rarely change, which isn't true because songs are seasonal, but he still has a point. In any case, DDS1 is Meguro's best ost.


I don't remember the seasonal changes bringing very different music, just different mixes.   and considering how long you are in a season, it's still pretty unacceptable to me. 


anyway, that XIII-2 vid is shit hot.  I can't wait for this. 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 10, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
fwiw, having one normal battle theme was a policy of Nobuo Uematsu's and he explained the purpose of it as wanting to make boss battles and other unusual situations stand out more, so when you get into a boss battle or whatever and something different starts playing you think "ooh, something unusual is happening" more than if the music were always changing anyway. I don't personally agree with this and would rather have multiple battle themes but it's not like FF games skimp on the quantity and variety of music overall - they usually have 4-disc, 80+ track soundtracks.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on December 11, 2011, 02:21:22 AM
It's just that they used that battle theme everywhere, trailers, cutscenes....etc.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 02:21:57 AM
Yeah, I was tired of 13's battle theme by the time the game came out.

Where is more 13-2 media?!?!!?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 11, 2011, 10:48:56 AM
that makes no sense.   have rotating, less dramatic battle themes and some that are much different in tone for boss battles, uematsu :derp    of course, he might just be saying this because the way it was done was his only option, on the orders of a clueless director/producer.

i think it's important to be mindful of music use in games, but he didn't think past his nose to realize that people play final fantasy games for 40+ hours and that people are well aware when they've hit a dramatic moment...yes it would be bad if a boss battle used the same battle theme as regular enemies, so uh...just don't use the same theme. 

More importantly, as a musician, he should know that that is too fucking long to be listening to the same 2 minute clip over and over, with the occasional break for a boss battle every 10 hours.  Eventually, I'm just ignoring his work because I don't care how nice a battle theme is, it's not nice after hearing it loop for 10+ hours.   It's literally absurd how much you have to hear the same music in these games and for absolutely no reason, nowadays. 

I'm guessing a lot of these composers have been hamstrung in the past with cart size and disc size limits, forcing them to use one battle theme.  Then, in typical rigid japanese fashion, they just plain never thought to ever change it, once it became possible to be more creative with use of music, thanks to larger disc sizes.  Of course, Nocturne proves that there has been no reason to use music as if it were an 8 or 16 bit game since last gen.  But we saw XIII basically use the same theme to death and i'd bet my nuts that XIII-2 will do the same thing.  It feels a bit condescending, like they just don't care to fix this one obvious flaw because fans don't care/notice.



Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 11, 2011, 04:46:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqAMEpEnEfY

(watch in 720p)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 04:47:52 PM
Where is more 13-2 media?!?!!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqAMEpEnEfY

(watch in 720p)

omfg thanks sweetie!!!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 04:52:50 PM
Wait, that video is old :(
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 11, 2011, 05:07:32 PM
Yeah, I was tired of 13's battle theme by the time the game came out.

Where is more 13-2 media?!?!!?

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/yeul.jpg?t=1323641231)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 05:32:34 PM
Vanille version 2.0 :o
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 11, 2011, 06:53:12 PM
the return of magus  :o


historia crux vid is hot.  might be the first JRPG I unqualifiedly like this gen.  (no PC to run Last Remnant PC.  Vesperia = too long, Lost Odyssey = too boring, FFXIII = like/hate, all the rest = lol.) 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 07:13:07 PM
You were praising Dark Souls, a jrpg, just the other week.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 11, 2011, 07:16:48 PM
if you wanna get technical, Dark Souls and Demon's' Souls's really are more of a 50/50 hardcore action game/rpg hybrid, where everything else I mentioned is pretty firmly identifiable as "jrpg" as we know it. 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 07:19:43 PM
True. But the rpg elements are strong enough I think they qualify as rpgs. apples and oranges, I know.

haven't played blue dragon?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 11, 2011, 07:24:21 PM
the demo really turned me off.  had the same problem as Lost Odyssey where everything felt slow and simplistic
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 03:15:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q23HfSvkrCc

:lol
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on December 12, 2011, 08:31:14 AM
the return of magus  :o


historia crux vid is hot.  might be the first JRPG I unqualifiedly like this gen.  (no PC to run Last Remnant PC.  Vesperia = too long, Lost Odyssey = too boring, FFXIII = like/hate, all the rest = lol.)

I don't see Resonance of Fate on that list... or Xenoblade :P
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 12, 2011, 08:45:20 AM
I started Resonance a bunch of times.  It's certainly unique, but for some reason, I couldn't stick to it. 

i'm busted on xenoblade
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Momo on December 12, 2011, 10:48:09 AM
i have yes to finish Resonance of Fate, fucking backlogs.

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2011, 11:34:07 AM
I wonder what will be next-gen's DLC meaning something distasteful that will ruin its generation.

DLC patches.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 05:57:21 PM
This game's soundtrack fucking owns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_2yZmiilBM
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2011, 06:02:17 PM
This game's soundtrack fucking owns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_2yZmiilBM

Sounds like a lost track from Sonic 3.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Vizzys on December 13, 2011, 06:30:22 PM
it totally does
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 06:30:45 PM
aka awesome
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 13, 2011, 07:43:55 PM
i clicked on it expecting some ok fantasy shit, but that is actually shit-hot
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on December 13, 2011, 07:58:21 PM
Xanadu is the Gold Saucer of the game, btw

That's why it sounds like some old 90s Commercial
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 13, 2011, 08:14:15 PM
This soundtrack is fucking incredible. I just started listening to it but the tracks I've heard so far are some of the most electic music I've heard in an RPG (or perhaps a game). You have everything from classical FF to several genres of electronic music to jazz to blues to rock to some actually good vocal tracks.

The main theme of this soundtrack I'd say is definitely ambience.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Tasty on December 13, 2011, 08:14:32 PM
This game's soundtrack fucking owns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_2yZmiilBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4

::)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 13, 2011, 08:15:21 PM
I'm gonna laugh my ass off hearing that during chocobo races. Or, even, just riding around  :lol :lol
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 08:16:45 PM
This game's soundtrack fucking owns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_2yZmiilBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4

::)

That is the only bad song in this soundtrack so far. Go back to Nintendo games.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 13, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
himuro get on facebook i want to chat with you about this
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 13, 2011, 08:25:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4

death metal chocobo?

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/misc-jackie-chan-l.png?t=1323825899)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2011, 08:36:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4

:rofl
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on December 13, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
That Chocobo song is AMAZING
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 13, 2011, 08:46:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4

:rofl

IS THIS REALLY IN THE GAME
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 13, 2011, 08:47:42 PM
It's by the same guy who rapped during DMC3 battle themes.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 08:52:46 PM
i'm on fb chat bitch
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Damian79 on December 13, 2011, 08:59:01 PM
God i was gonna buy this game and now i decided not to.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on December 13, 2011, 10:26:46 PM
Holy shit, Japan is totally 10 years behind America in terms of music... first it was buttrock, now it's nu-metal... in 3-4 years we will have dirty south rap in j-games... then in 10 years we can look forward to dubstep :P
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 13, 2011, 10:43:12 PM
there's practically every other electronic genre besides dubstep in the game
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
Holy shit, Japan is totally 10 years behind America in terms of music... first it was buttrock, now it's nu-metal... in 3-4 years we will have dirty south rap in j-games... then in 10 years we can look forward to dubstep :P

Uhhhh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apNOZXyNeSo

This was 10 years ago. Japan isn't behind at all.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 11:06:17 PM
Game's not out in Japan but watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqAMEpEnEfY

(watch in 720p)

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEboE6DtJU

And we can see improvements to the game over the original FF13 already.

Game looks fantastic. Looks like FF13 done right.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 13, 2011, 11:11:19 PM
Hello disgruntled JRPG fanboy here.

Haven't been following this game much, actually not at all. Wondering what's supposed to be different this time around and if early impressions have been good, what say you Bore?
There's a ton of improvements to the first game in pretty much every aspect.

http://ja.twitch.tv/teakdoc

live stream
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 11:27:07 PM
Hello disgruntled JRPG fanboy here.

Haven't been following this game much, actually not at all. Wondering what's supposed to be different this time around and if early impressions have been good, what say you Bore?
There's a ton of improvements to the first game in pretty much every aspect.

http://ja.twitch.tv/teakdoc

live stream

watchin dis
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
review for who
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 11:41:28 PM
this game will be amazing. holy shit.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Damian79 on December 14, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
I originally was considering FFXIII-2 because i heard it was non linear but the shitty corridors makes me think otherwise.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 14, 2011, 08:46:04 AM
let's all remember the good times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwAN90MKTo

the chocobo theme is dead. you can't bring it back :fbm
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 14, 2011, 05:26:48 PM
I originally was considering FFXIII-2 because i heard it was non linear but the shitty corridors makes me think otherwise.
You must have disliked FFX, X-2, and XII, because they all had shitty corridors.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 05:41:11 PM
Um, no they didn't. ??? Especially XII
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 05:41:34 PM
I originally was considering FFXIII-2 because i heard it was non linear but the shitty corridors makes me think otherwise.

13-2 doesn't have corridors.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2011, 06:40:02 PM
actually X and X-2 were pretty corridor-tastic, though eventually you got the ability to fly to whichever corridor you needed to run down next
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 06:42:42 PM
How was X-2 corridor-tactic? the game features a lot of cities and dungeons, considerably more than FFX.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
oh, haven't played it in a while, i just kind of assumed same engine/world, same corridors. 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 06:48:46 PM
For the most part X-2 re-uses locations from X. But most of those locations that are corridors are the road towards cities and towns. In X-2 you get the airship in 30 minutes and can go anywhere, so most of your time is spent in cities and dungeons rather than the road like in X.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 14, 2011, 08:20:19 PM
This game's OST is so crazy varied. I want this game in my veins.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 08:21:33 PM
WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL RELEASE
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on December 14, 2011, 09:02:27 PM
New Chocobo theme redeems the entire terrible series.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 15, 2011, 01:56:02 AM
apparently there's a red chocobo named Dante in the game, and Crazy Chocobo is the music when you ride it. So I guess it's meant as a DMC reference
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 15, 2011, 04:08:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgr1rHdnqVo

you are correct.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2011, 05:43:55 AM
apparently there's a red chocobo named Dante in the game, and Crazy Chocobo is the music when you ride it. So I guess it's meant as a DMC reference

What a subtle reference. ::)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Momo on December 15, 2011, 06:22:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgr1rHdnqVo

you are correct.
I no longer what to breathe the same oxygen as the rest of humanity
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on December 15, 2011, 08:25:11 AM
That Chocobo is pretty boss.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 15, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
So you think you can ride it?!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 15, 2011, 05:16:56 PM
I'm gonna ride that Chocobo at all possible times.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 15, 2011, 05:50:18 PM
I'll ride your Chocobo if you ride mine.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on December 16, 2011, 02:23:04 AM
I wish to ride the little chocobo.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on December 19, 2011, 12:53:08 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455981

BAIL OUT
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 19, 2011, 12:57:08 AM
Why?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2011, 01:09:56 AM
thought it was a shitty kagari post

bail in
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on December 19, 2011, 01:10:07 AM
>tri-Ace
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2011, 01:12:15 AM
>tri-Ace

> valkyrie profile 2
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2011, 03:26:50 AM
Going by what this dude at SA wrote about the game, who has clocked about 20 hours, the game is the anti-FF13: there's towns, there's an actual semblance of level design, there's customization up the wazoo, the new dialogue system adds to the game (but not in the way it would in say, a Bioware game or anything), and sometimes the line is blurred between sidequest and plot progression.

He also says that anyone who enjoyed FFXIII's world, but didn't like how it was so underdeveloped or let you have a feel for it, will really enjoy this game as it fleshes out FFXIII in general.

He said he spent four hours in the first area just questing and fucking around and that by hour 10 he was positively overwhelmed with all there is to do. 

Awesome.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 19, 2011, 04:03:56 AM
>tri-Ace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veNzrIn04O4

SIDE-QUEST SIDE-QUEST SIDE-QUEST
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on December 19, 2011, 08:42:33 AM
>tri-Ace

So that explains why this game looks and sounds so good... :bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 19, 2011, 08:56:33 AM
Quote
the new dialogue system adds to the game (but not in the way it would in say, a Bioware game or anything)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/ff13233.jpg)

if only bioware was here... :fbm
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 19, 2011, 09:17:46 AM
:bow the cat :bow2
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 19, 2011, 09:31:47 AM
Wait how is that screen in english?

there are a lot of press released screenshot? ???
http://the-magicbox.com/1112/game111214a.shtml
knock yourself out :-[

on unrelated news there has been a lot of info released on DLC,there is a bikini costume for serah so you can be all creepy and :uguu as you want
there are some DLC bosses too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXjak7IBf7o
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 19, 2011, 09:38:06 AM
Quote
the new dialogue system adds to the game (but not in the way it would in say, a Bioware game or anything)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/ff13233.jpg)

if only bioware was here... :fbm


S-E finally enters the 21st century! :bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 19, 2011, 09:48:38 AM
I bet if only Lightning were there she'd scold her sister for not using the subjunctive. I'd like to see such a scene actually, they should sell it as DLC.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 19, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
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the new dialogue system adds to the game (but not in the way it would in say, a Bioware game or anything)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/ff13233.jpg)

if only bioware was here... :fbm


S-E finally enters the 21st century! :bow

moral choices confirmed for FF15? :shh

I bet if only Lightning were there she'd scold her sister for not using the subjunctive. I'd like to see such a scene actually, they should sell it as DLC.

still better than any soppy love scene featuring serah and snow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 19, 2011, 11:18:17 AM
I bet if only Lightning were there she'd scold her sister for not using the subjunctive. I'd like to see such a scene actually, they should sell it as DLC.

man, that cheesed me off too. WERE here, S-E translators. WERE here.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 19, 2011, 12:00:59 PM
hey, look, tri-ace influence!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2011, 12:38:30 PM
500k in its first week.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on December 21, 2011, 12:41:47 PM
diediedie
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2011, 12:42:14 PM
?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2011, 12:47:21 PM
hey, look, tri-ace influence!

fyi this is VP2 Tri-Ace :hyper
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
Yeah this game tanked.  Amiami store is selling it for almost half-price already NEW.  They definitely over-shipped and it's going to be another bargain bin game regardless of its quality.

But that's what happens when you make a sequel to an FF people didn't like and you don't even go the "goofy X-2 fun fun fun" route.  Having it be a serious real XIII story is something no one wanted.  Put lightning in a jpop outfit and have her breakdance with odin and people will approve.

Also releasing it at the same time as MONSTER HUNTER and NEW HARDWARE LAUNCH w/22 games was whoops.  It lost any attention it would have normally got.


Not sure if it has any impact on the franchise though.  When they rename Versus to FFXV and release it next year I'm sure it'll still sell a good 2 million in Japan.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 12:57:40 PM
But who knows.  Since this was an 18 month dev cycle on old engine with old asset re-use and outsourced to a cheap developer...maybe the 800k they'll eventually sell at $90 a pop will still be profitable for the game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2011, 12:59:28 PM
Yeah this game tanked.  Amiami store is selling it for almost half-price already NEW.  They definitely over-shipped and it's going to be another bargain bin game regardless of its quality.

But that's what happens when you make a sequel to an FF people didn't like and you don't even go the "goofy X-2 fun fun fun" route.  Having it be a serious real XIII story is something no one wanted.  Put lightning in a jpop outfit and have her breakdance with odin and people will approve.


:wtf

Who wants this?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2011, 01:00:49 PM
Went and looked up X-2 for reference.

It sold 1.5 million in its first week.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 01:01:19 PM
Look, I think people would rather have an X-2 style tongue-in-cheek humorous spinoff of XIII than another serious drama considering XIII's SERIOUS HEAVY DRAMA STORY was freaking terrible.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2011, 01:03:28 PM
Look, I think people would rather have an X-2 style tongue-in-cheek humorous spinoff of XIII than another serious drama considering XIII's SERIOUS HEAVY DRAMA STORY was freaking terrible.

Actually, I wouldn't mind it provided it's decent and all signs point to it being pretty solid.

Also, what makes you think a game that has Flans wearing sunglasses and chocobos whose theme music is death metal takes itself seriously?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Trent Dole on December 21, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Look, XIII was freaking terrible.
:teehee
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 02:05:37 PM
Nomura gets shit done and releases quality games.

Versus, aka FFXV, will be out by x-mas 2012.  It will also be the best FF ever because it'll be what Matsuno tried to do with XII but couldn't finish because of the mental breakdown.  Nomura will have none of that mental breakdown-ing.

Nomura-sama~~~~~~~
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2011, 03:07:51 PM
Nomura gets shit done and releases quality games.

Versus, aka FFXV, will be out by x-mas 2012.  It will also be the best FF ever because it'll be what Matsuno tried to do with XII but couldn't finish because of the mental breakdown.  Nomura will have none of that mental breakdown-ing.

Nomura-sama~~~~~~~

i like nomura but jesus christ
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 21, 2011, 04:19:48 PM
How much did SE ship of this? 1 mil?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 21, 2011, 05:14:03 PM
when an original IP bombs they make more final fantasy but what happens when final fantasy bombs?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
more kingdom hearts probably :teehee
[close]
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 05:44:34 PM
Nomura gets shit done and releases quality games.

Versus, aka FFXV, will be out by x-mas 2012.  It will also be the best FF ever because it'll be what Matsuno tried to do with XII but couldn't finish because of the mental breakdown.  Nomura will have none of that mental breakdown-ing.

Nomura-sama~~~~~~~

Please tell me you aren't being serious with this post Bebpo.

:bow Nomura :bow2

Guy is a MUCH better game designer/director/story planner than he is an artist.  Versus is going to be amazing.

How much did SE ship of this? 1 mil?

Yep.  Will be $10 in a few weeks.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2011, 05:48:50 PM

Guy is a MUCH better game designer/director/story planner than he is an artist.  Versus is going to be amazing.


No he's not.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Uhhhhhh

As an artist = buckles and belts and buckles and everyone looks like midget hipster.  It's decent, but there are a dozen better artists at SE.


As a game designer = makes AWESOME game systems.  TWEWY's button system, KH CoM's card system, KH 358/2 days Panel System, KH BBS skill/ability making system, KH Re:Coded's Panel machine system.  He makes creative and fun gameplay systems that make his games more enjoyable.  Also has built a great worldview with KH and TWEWY's story was interesting as well.  His games have good cutscenes, great pacing, and the endings pull all the mindfucks together for a satisfying conclusion.  He was also heavily involved in Crisis Core & Dissidia which were both great FF spinoffs.

While his first directorial/design debut with KH1 was a bit iffy since it was his first outting, he's become a great game director.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 06:00:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura

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Kingdom Hearts    2002    PlayStation 2    Director, Concept Designer, Character Designer & Base Story
Final Fantasy XI    2002    Playstation 2, Microsoft Windows, Xbox 360    Character Designer
Final Fantasy X-2    2003    PlayStation 2    Main Character Designer
Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII    2004    Mobile phones    Character Designer
Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories    2004    PlayStation 2, Game Boy Advance    Director, Character Designer, Concept Designer & Base Story
Musashi: Samurai Legend    2005    PlayStation 2    Main Character Designer
Final Fantasy VII Advent Children    2005       Director
Last Order: Final Fantasy VII    2005       Supervising Director
Kingdom Hearts II    2005    PlayStation 2    Director, Character Designer, Concept Designer & Base Story
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII    2006    PlayStation 2    Character Designer
Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode: Final Fantasy VII    2006    Mobile Phones    Character Designer
Final Fantasy V    2006    Game Boy Advance    Monster Designer
The World Ends with You    2007    Nintendo DS    Creative Producer & Main Character Designer
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII    2007    PlayStation Portable    Creative Producer & Character Designer
Kingdom Hearts coded    2008    Mobile Phones    Director, Concept Designer, Character Designer & Base Story
Dissidia: Final Fantasy    2008    PlayStation Portable    Creative Producer & Character Designer
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days    2009    Nintendo DS    Director, Concept Designer, Character Designer & Base Story
Final Fantasy XIII    2009    PlayStation 3, Xbox 360    Main Character Designer
Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep    2010    PlayStation Portable    Director, Concept Designer, Character Designer & Base Story
Kingdom Hearts Re:coded    2010    Nintendo DS    Director, Concept Designer, Character Designer & Base Story
The 3rd Birthday    2010    PlayStation Portable    Creative producer, Concept Designer, Character Designer
Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy    2011    PlayStation Portable    Creative Producer & Character Designer
Final Fantasy Type-0    2011    PlayStation Portable    Character Designer
Final Fantasy XIII-2    2011    PlayStation 3, Xbox 360    Character Designer
Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance    2012    Nintendo 3DS    Director, Concept Designer, Character Designer & Base Story
Final Fantasy Versus XIII    TBA    PlayStation 3    Director, Concept Designer, Character Designer & Base Story

Great list!  Outside Matsuno & Takahashi, he's probably the 3rd best rpg creator in Japan.  And since Matsuno barely makes crap anymore and Takahashi takes 5 years between games, he's virtually got the #1 spot.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2011, 06:02:49 PM
Nomura used to be a much better artist. But if anything, Advent Children proved the man has a taste for art and visual design and flash and cool more than direction.

TWEWY wasn't even directed by Nomura. He just produced. Nomura has a thing for inventive and non-conventional games, but he fares much better as a dedicated artist. I think having to concentrate on other things such as the game design and direction has made his art suffer over the years.

I like Nomura and his games but don't kid yourself.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 06:07:03 PM
So you feel that we've gotten BETTER games with worse art because he's moved beyond being an artist?

I don't see how that is a bad tradeoff.  The art is still acceptable level and the game is what matters.


Nomura was creative producer for TWEWY, Crisis Core, Dissidia/012, The 3rd Birthday, Type-0/Agito.  He had a lot of influence in all aspects of them and you can totally feel the parts that are Nomura and the parts that aren't.  Like 3rd Birthday is written by Toriyama so the story is fucking horrid like XIII and nonsense, but the gameplay systems are damn solid and it's a lot of fun to play.  Dissidia is similar with Watanabe writing and the plot being crap, but great gameplay.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2011, 06:09:37 PM
Better games? I don't think any of those games he's worked as director and the main man in charge are better than games like FFV, VI, VII, VIII, Musashi, or PE when he was just an artist and nothing more.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2011, 06:11:27 PM

Nomura was creative producer for TWEWY, Crisis Core, Dissidia/012, The 3rd Birthday, Type-0/Agito.  He had a lot of influence in all aspects of them and you can totally feel the parts that are Nomura and the parts that aren't.  Like 3rd Birthday is written by Toriyama so the story is fucking horrid like XIII and nonsense, but the gameplay systems are damn solid and it's a lot of fun to play.  Dissidia is similar with Watanabe writing and the plot being crap, but great gameplay.

counter point: kingdom hearts 2 and advent children

Nomura is terrible at direction despite his many interesting ideas.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2011, 06:33:24 PM
Advent Children doesn't mean shit in terms of his game credits.  Videogame people can't make feature films...news at 11.  It's a different medium and honestly Advent Children Director's Cut is not that bad for a movie and should've been what they originally released.

KH2 is his biggest misstep for sure.  The gameplay is solid but too easy (fixed with harder difficulties) and the story falls apart because he tried to resolve EVERYTHING by the end and he had just created too much KH plot.  All his post-KH2 stuff has been about fixing that misstep and really fleshing out the KH story to have a much better conclusion with KH3.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on December 21, 2011, 06:36:20 PM
when an original IP bombs they make more final fantasy but what happens when final fantasy bombs?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
more kingdom hearts probably :teehee
[close]

Nope, betcha they focus more on western development...  :-\
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 21, 2011, 07:00:32 PM
nah they already tried that with gun loco and mindjack :smug

http://thesilentchief.com/2011/12/21/rumor-final-fantasy-xv-to-be-announced-at-e3/

allright guys start your bet!

where the ball will land? western like rpg? final fantasy fps? sports game?
HOW WILL THEY ANNOY MAGUS THIS TIME? AREN'T YOU EXCITED TO KNOW?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 21, 2011, 08:59:22 PM
nah they already tried that with gun loco and mindjack :smug

http://thesilentchief.com/2011/12/21/rumor-final-fantasy-xv-to-be-announced-at-e3/

allright guys start your bet!

where the ball will land? western like rpg? final fantasy fps? sports game?
HOW WILL THEY ANNOY MAGUS THIS TIME? AREN'T YOU EXCITED TO KNOW?


hopefully a game with good gameplay and a story that is at least good schadenfreude, since they have no hope for ever creating a compelling narrative that real people* can actually relate to.   
*non-anime fans
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 21, 2011, 09:01:14 PM
I can't wait until Versus XIII comes out, which should be the first pure FFXIII experience!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 21, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
sounds like XIII-2 comes close.  good enough for now, in a gen full of shit jrpgs 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 21, 2011, 09:07:24 PM
XIII-2 is tainted by impure elements, forcing the game to be compromised
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 21, 2011, 09:08:06 PM
meh, par for the course, though sera is particularly uguu~ offensive
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 21, 2011, 09:09:29 PM
meh, par for the course, though sera is particularly uguu~ offensive

Versus XIII will be PS3 exclusive, allowing for Nomura-san's vision to be fully realized ^_^
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Vit-Symty on December 21, 2011, 09:17:25 PM
meh, par for the course, though sera is particularly uguu~ offensive

Versus XIII will be PS3 exclusive, allowing for Nomura-san's vision to be fully realized ^_^

Until Wada steps in and slaps him around a bit demanding change to his vision.

Imperial hot.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 21, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
It cost way less money to make this than the first game, so it won't be a bomba no matter what.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 21, 2011, 09:42:36 PM
yeah, I'm sure some random UK mag would be the first to know about a new FF reveal
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 21, 2011, 09:52:16 PM
A bomba is a game that doesn't succeed. With DLC and story content still being made for the game, it'll enjoy some legs sales-wise.

And it still perplexes me that this is being pegged as a "game no one wants." It's a fantastic game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 21, 2011, 10:05:58 PM
... that sold dirge of cerberus numbers
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 21, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
Dirge of Cerberus had distinguished mentally-challenged FF7 fanboyism behind it, and it sold way less than FFXIII-2 did in its first week. It shipped 392,000 in its first week in Japan (not sold).

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 21, 2011, 10:54:07 PM
fuk u guys i'm going to be sooooo mad when my s-e stock fails due to rampant forum speculation of bombas
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 21, 2011, 11:18:15 PM
But didn't the bible of video games Famitsu give it 40/40!?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 21, 2011, 11:36:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/cT3C0.png)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 21, 2011, 11:41:35 PM
A bomba is a game that doesn't succeed. With DLC and story content still being made for the game, it'll enjoy some legs sales-wise.

And it still perplexes me that this is being pegged as a "game no one wants." It's a fantastic game.

Are you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?  It's not going to have *any* legs.  RPGs have no legs in Japan in all but the absolute best of times, and this one already has stacks of used copies in the shops.  They're going to struggle like hell to sell out the rest of the first shipment, and that's at the sub-2000 yen price it's going to be at by next week.
Word of mouth could be a surprisingly big help for this game, considering the overall positive reception so far.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2011, 12:10:51 AM
If word of mouth turns out to be really positive, people will just go out and buy used copies for 200 yen.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 01:12:36 AM
Whatever. I hope Western players buy it, it's awesome.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 22, 2011, 01:15:58 AM
I wonder what Japan's trade in and resale prices will be on this one.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on December 22, 2011, 01:33:24 AM
No one bought 360 version, bet you can get it for free by now.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 22, 2011, 06:44:47 AM
If it had positive word of mouth, maybe.  But it's averaging 60% on MK2 right now and 3.5/5 on Amazon.  The word of mouth is good with English people who imported the game.  That's not going to help the Japanese sales.  At all.

MK2 is that site of fanmade review right? i'm curious to know what they say about it

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 08:38:46 AM
so good gameplay, bad story.   

so, good gameplay!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 09:00:29 AM
I've been playing a lot of XIII lately and feel it deserved every last bit of criticism but it's also not so completely horrible as to make me give up on the series.  skipping the cutscenes helps.  and the battle system really is quite good, after you get the crystarium and start getting to areas with tough enemies (like the part where you find weather orbs for the first time.)  It's a great "turn your brain off" game...gameplay just deep enough to not feel like an un-game atrocity, graphics and sound that are quite pleasing.  Despite being a crappy final fantasy game, I can still play it a lot.  Way more than I ever imagined myself playing it (beat it on 360 and I'm up to ch.8 on the PS3...not sure if I'll go further though.)

so, my standards for XIII-2 are literally "just be better than XIII" which is not a hard mark to miss.   
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
I've been watching more FF13 on Youtube and I still don't get the hate for the story and cutscenes, honestly. They are cheesy by good movie/TV standards, but they are just normal videogame/B-movie cheesy, not some higher level of cheesy. They're probably better than any other FF game except 12, actually. But there seems to be something in particular that just rubs people the wrong way and I'm not sure what it is, other than being pissed off over the game structure makes them look with narrowed eyes on everything else.

Also apparently one of the 'problems' with 13 that they 'fixed' in 13-2 was the fact that it was relatively light on redundant exposition and actually expected you to pick things up from context or body language occasionally, now it's back to tediously explicating everything and recapping the story so far a billion times every scene  ::)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 03:47:56 PM
FF13's script is horrible, Recursive. The game assumes we know what all the terms are and does little to ease the player into the game world. Most of the intimate story details are hidden in the datalog. The game has a lot of potential plot developments that are left untangled, random, or have extremely poor resolutions. The party has no goal for more than 80% of the game, character intentions are vague and completely left open, villains are underdeveloped and make pathetic boss of the chapter appearances akin to Sailor Moon, the world of cocoon and pulse have zero sense of culture, especially compared to games like 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 12.

Not understanding people's problem with the story and notably the characters (particularly Vanille and Snow) sounds like some really cute naivete. How anyone can NOT be annoyed by Vanille's mannerisms I don't know.

That being said, I'm replaying the game now and I'm on chapter 6, Sunleth Waterscape. The game is far more enjoyable replaying it than I felt about it the first time, especially since I turned off auto-battle. Now I'm remembering that through the poor gameplay/story pacing and complete absence of level design, there's a great game in here somewhere.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 03:53:52 PM
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The game assume we know what all the terms are and does little to ease the player into he game world.

This is actually something I liked about it.  :-\  I think most games try way way too hard to 'ease you into the game world' for my tastes. Like I said, most of the time you could pick up on what they were talking about from context, observing reactions, etc. The datalog is there if you weren't able to do that and to provide some more background if you're interested, but it's not a necessity.

But yeah, Vanille was pretty annoying, although in the end I thought her character arc worked well. Snow I just found amusing. But again neither of them are extraordinarily bothersome compared to other stuff that doesn't get nearly as much hate, so yeah, still not seeing it.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
I prefer having an unknown like Tidus and explain the world in that manner or transitioning by telling us on screen what is happening. Barrett says that Shrinra is sucking the life out of the planet. Not a few moments later you get off a train that is in the middle of the slums and learn everything under the plate is in poverty. The game tells you this and shows you this.

In FFX you have a general idea of the games world and politics before you leave he first town by way of npc dialogue and exposition. The player should not have to question the most basic elements of the story. You don't know what Sin is but it attacks enough that you know it's a threat and the game slowly explains what that threat is and where it came from. In FF13, the game throws around terms like Cocoon and Pulse and Fal'cie without knowing what any of the shit means. You learn their importance but the way game introduces its world, especially for a Final Fantasy game is nothing short of amateurish.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 22, 2011, 04:14:55 PM
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Not understanding people's problem with the story and notably the characters (particularly Vanille and Snow) sounds like some really cute naivete. How anyone can NOT be annoyed by Vanille's mannerisms I don't know.

oh come on,final fantasy had always these kind of characters,selphie? zell? rikku? rings any bells?
if anything all the cutscene involving vanille and sazh are gold but the other chirpie final fantasy girls don't add anything else to their respective games other than lot of dirty dirty fanart

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The game has a lot of potential plot developments that are left untangled, random, or have extremely poor resolutions. The party has no goal for more than 80% of the game, character intentions are vague and completely left open

the plot of FF13 is pretty simple,they have to murder a godlike entity and they are chased by the government and really that's all you need to know to enjoy it,you know what? i never entered the datalog once and i don't think i have missed anything from it

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villains are underdeveloped and make pathetic boss of the chapter appearances akin to Sailor Moon

FF13 villain is not exactly the best villain the serie had but i don't think it's that bad,i have seen worse,sadly himuro will never probably never see the ending of xenoblade :fbm

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But again neither of them are extraordinarily bothersome compared to other stuff that doesn't get nearly as much hate, so yeah, still not seeing it.

you know what i hate about FF13? everytime there is a flashback,ESPECIALY if it's a flashback involving serah,it turns from a jrpg into what looks like a romance novel for preeteen girls,and people go tell me about the "moms are tough" line like that's the worst part of the script :yuck

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 04:36:52 PM
Vanille is nothing like Rikku, Yuffie, or Selphie. I know cuz those tend to be a favorite of mine. I like spunky characters with attitude. Yuffie is the best character in FF7; her lines are hilarious. Selphie is a blood thirsty school girl high on sugar all the time; Selphie owns. Vanille and Snow are nothing like Zell or any of those characters you listed.

Also mom are tough isn't the worst thin about the script. Any piece of dialogue mentioning heroes is. But it is an example that FF13's script is easily the worst of the 3d FF's, especially since IX, X and XIi have arguably the best.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 04:37:12 PM
I think it's just a different style and not necessarily a bad thing, but you're probably right that SF/fantasy stories that use an 'outsider' character for the audience to identify with tend to be more popular. This is kind of confirming my suspicion that it's mainly a combination of some IMO valid but unpopular decisions, and anger over the game structure that's led people to look at something average and see it as terribad because some flaws that are really par for the course stand out more when you're unfavorably disposed to it for other reasons.

I do agree that the way the whole populace of Cocoon outside of the main characters is basically portrayed one-dimensionally as "HURR WE R ANGRY BRAINWASHED MOB" is a major flaw and not just a different decision. This is my biggest problem with the story (one it sort of shares with FFTSW). I was hoping XIII-2 might improve on this, what with having towns and being about rebuilding and stuff, but apparently they decided to mostly ignore that in favor of time paradox nonsense.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on December 22, 2011, 04:37:47 PM
Vanille was OK till her plot twist.

Come on now.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 04:44:32 PM
not going to translate everything, but some brief notes from their reviews:

1st review:

good: battle system is enjoyable, likes the monster catching cuz it reminds him/her of Dragon Quest Monsters, cutscenes look good
bad: story is shit, encounter system sucks, red chocobo sucks, music sucks

main complaint from him/her is that the story blows

2nd review:

good: game is fun, battles have lots of variety, music is good
bad: recycled graphics, story sucks and doesn't fit well with 13, shitty QTEs

overall he/she says to wait for a price drop and compares its quality to third birthday

3rd review:

good: graphics, sound, battle, crafting system
bad: story, some spoiler shit about a particular character, criticism of the time travel aspect and says DQ7 did it better, sub events suck, mini games suck, doesn't like the monster recruiting

overall he/she says it's not bad, but nothing special

4th review:

good: it's easy to make money, the main story is fairly long, the graphics are good, the monster system is cool, the crystarium system (?) is fun
bad: story sucks, music sucks

overall: it's so-so

there are more reviews but that's all i feel like translating

Story by Motomu Toriyama & Watanabe  :-\

I don't know what kind of blackmail they have on SE to let them keep writing important games for the company, but some needs to conveniently make them unemployed.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 22, 2011, 04:44:33 PM
Also mom are tough isn't the worst thin about the script. Any piece of dialogue mentioning heroes is. But it is an example that FF13's script is easily the worst of the 3d FF's, especially since IX, X and XIi have arguably the best.

something something lion :smug
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 04:46:15 PM
At some point I do think the CEO is going to have to put his foot down and say "Ok, everyone in the world says our stories are F- quality bad.  I think we need to change writers".

In America this would have happened 1.5 years ago.  In Japan this may take a decade for them to do something about.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 04:46:18 PM
Also mom are tough isn't the worst thin about the script. Any piece of dialogue mentioning heroes is. But it is an example that FF13's script is easily the worst of the 3d FF's, especially since IX, X and XIi have arguably the best.

something something lion :smug


???
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 04:47:59 PM
and yeah, Serah is the actual worst character in the game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 04:48:59 PM
I don't see how given how little she's actually in it.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on December 22, 2011, 04:50:28 PM
Don't make him leave again now, Borys.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 22, 2011, 04:59:20 PM
and yeah, Serah is the actual worst character in the game.

:bow victory!

I don't see how given how little she's actually in it.

everytime she appears i want to punch her,she serves no other purpouse other than act meek,holier than thou,whiny or a combination of the three

Quote
???

i'm pretty sure FF8 had a pretty stupid scene involving a lion ring or something...
point is,stupid pointless rant about friendship and love happen in final fantasy,news at 11
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
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Story by Motomu Toriyama & Watanabe  :-\

I don't know what kind of blackmail they have on SE to let them keep writing important games for the company, but some needs to conveniently make them unemployed.

I guess Toriyama is the latest popular hate-object among fans, but over time it's been Sakaguchi (FFTSW), Koichi Ishii (the later Mana games), Hiromichi Tanaka (FFXIV), Akitoshi Kawazu (SaGa Frontiers/Unlimited SaGa, FFXII), Takashi Tokita (The Bouncer), Kitase (FF8, Dirge of Cerberus), Nomura (FF8, Advent Children, KH2), Masato Kato (Chrono Cross, FFXI add-on stories), Nojima (FF8, Advent Children, KH2). Looks like nobody's immune whether they've been around and influential almost since the beginning (like Sakaguchi, Ishii, Tanaka, Kawazu and Tokita) or they're more recent hires. About the only significant figure who's never had much of a hatedom is Matsuno, but that's just because he conveniently quit midway through FFXII so fans can say he wasn't responsible for anything they didn't like.

The truth, IMO, is that Square games have always been flawed and uneven. I think they've actually been pretty consistent over time in a lot of ways. Whether they're loved or hated at a given time depends mostly on whether people choose to focus on the flaws or on the good parts, which depends on a lot of things not really directly related to quality.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:03:26 PM
IX was pretty much the only solid product that Square's put out in terms of a game with very little in the way of flaws. The final boss aside, it was a culmination of all the best parts about Square's development capacity.

Chrono Trigger I guess could also be a game that fits this too.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 05:05:05 PM
As for CT, one IMO major flaw (that it shares with a lot of other JRPGs) is that battles other than bosses are almost completely pointless, because recovery items are so plentiful that you can't really get worn down through the course of a dungeon like in older games. But you still have to fight a ton of them.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 05:05:51 PM
No way.  Toriyama is absolutely deserved as one of the worst writers, if not THE WORST, in the gaming industry.  I think he's a fine director (though XIII had problems), but he absolutely positively cannot write a story

This is where he started writing through now:
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Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings    2007    Nintendo DS    Director, scenario writer
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King    2008    Wii    Scenario writer
Dissidia: Final Fantasy    2008    PlayStation Portable    Scenario supervisor
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Darklord    2009    Wii    Scenario writer
Blood of Bahamut    2009    Nintendo DS    Director, scenario writer, event planner
Final Fantasy XIII    2009    PlayStation 3, Xbox 360    Director, scenario designer
Front Mission Evolved    2010    PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Windows    Lead scenario writer
The 3rd Birthday    2010    PlayStation Portable    Scenario writer
Final Fantasy XIII-2    2011    PlayStation 3, Xbox 360    Director, scenario designer

Bolded have incredibly bad (F-) stories.  And I'd assume the rest do as well, I just haven't played them.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
* 15 second battle load times
* Lots of redundant cutscenes with characters repeating the same schtick over and over again

are just what comes immediately to mind.
What redundant cutscenes? I can understand the battle load times but that other one is just mind-boggling. You're confusing it with XIII.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:07:41 PM
everytime she appears i want to punch her,she serves no other purpouse other than act meek,holier than thou,whiny or a combination of the three

???

Serah is never holier-than-thou and rarely whiny.


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i'm pretty sure FF8 had a pretty stupid scene involving a lion ring or something...
point is,stupid pointless rant about friendship and love happen in final fantasy,news at 11

There's nothing wrong with Squall giving Rinoa his ring. That scene is perfectly fine, much more, it has no voice acting.

The point is, the characters in past FF's weren't total caricatures. Snow goes on and on about heroes. Who does this in past FF's except for maybe Terra's longing for love?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:08:38 PM
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Story by Motomu Toriyama & Watanabe  :-\

I don't know what kind of blackmail they have on SE to let them keep writing important games for the company, but some needs to conveniently make them unemployed.

I guess Toriyama is the latest popular hate-object among fans, but over time it's been Sakaguchi (FFTSW), Koichi Ishii (the later Mana games), Hiromichi Tanaka (FFXIV), Akitoshi Kawazu (SaGa Frontiers/Unlimited SaGa, FFXII), Takashi Tokita (The Bouncer), Kitase (FF8, Dirge of Cerberus), Nomura (FF8, Advent Children, KH2), Masato Kato (Chrono Cross, FFXI add-on stories), Nojima (FF8, Advent Children, KH2). Looks like nobody's immune whether they've been around and influential almost since the beginning (like Sakaguchi, Ishii, Tanaka, Kawazu and Tokita) or they're more recent hires. About the only significant figure who's never had much of a hatedom is Matsuno, but that's just because he conveniently quit midway through FFXII so fans can say he wasn't responsible for anything they didn't like.

The truth, IMO, is that Square games have always been flawed and uneven. I think they've actually been pretty consistent over time in a lot of ways. Whether they're loved or hated at a given time depends mostly on whether people choose to focus on the flaws or on the good parts, which depends on a lot of things not really directly related to quality.

Have you looked into the Third Birthday?

Toriyama sucks, as does Watanabe.

You're missing Ito btw.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 05:09:32 PM
You know, Toriyama made great games with FFX (co-directing) and FFX-2 (his game) because he didn't have a single say in the scenario/script of either game.  No good has come of letting him write.  He obviously used his position of power as director of mainline FF to push his ego of "I'm a great writer with stories I long to tell the world" and choose his own scripts for his games.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:09:59 PM
No way.  Toriyama is absolutely deserved as one of the worst writers, if not THE WORST, in the gaming industry.  I think he's a fine director (though XIII had problems), but he absolutely positively cannot write a story

This is where he started writing through now:
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Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings    2007    Nintendo DS    Director, scenario writer
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King    2008    Wii    Scenario writer
Dissidia: Final Fantasy    2008    PlayStation Portable    Scenario supervisor
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Darklord    2009    Wii    Scenario writer
Blood of Bahamut    2009    Nintendo DS    Director, scenario writer, event planner
Final Fantasy XIII    2009    PlayStation 3, Xbox 360    Director, scenario designer
Front Mission Evolved    2010    PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Windows    Lead scenario writer
The 3rd Birthday    2010    PlayStation Portable    Scenario writer
Final Fantasy XIII-2    2011    PlayStation 3, Xbox 360    Director, scenario designer

Bolded have incredibly bad (F-) stories.  And I'd assume the rest do as well, I just haven't played them.

Nojima is definitely much better at writing characters, scenarios and crafting unique worlds despite his faults.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 05:11:16 PM
As for CT, one IMO major flaw (that it shares with a lot of other JRPGs) is that battles other than bosses are almost completely pointless, because recovery items are so plentiful that you can't really get worn down through the course of a dungeon like in older games. But you still have to fight a ton of them.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 05:12:30 PM
You know, Toriyama made great games with FFX (co-directing) and FFX-2 (his game) because he didn't have a single say in the scenario/script of either game.  No good has come of letting him write.  He obviously used his position of power as director of mainline FF to push his ego of "I'm a great writer with stories I long to tell the world" and choose his own scripts for his games.

he had a lot of story and script involvement for both games.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 05:14:17 PM
Type-0 is not written by Toriyama (in fact, it's actually written by Tabata afaik who directed it), and the script from the first 5-10 hours I've played is already leagues above the latest FF products.

KH BBS is one of the best stories SE has put out in the last few years and it was by a new lead writer with Masaru Oka.


When SE makes rpgs written by other people, the stories have the potential to be good.  With Toriyama + Watanabe combo they are doomed from the start to be trash.  I really hope XIII-2 is their final writing job.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 05:16:13 PM
Nojima is definitely much better at writing characters, scenarios and crafting unique worlds despite his faults.

Nojima is crazy, like very very crazy, and lots of plot twists, but that's a good thing because his stories are interesting and have a lot of complexity.  They also sometimes get distinguished mentally-challenged, but I'm willing to take some Genesis if that's what it takes to have an interesting story with good characters.

he had a lot of story and script involvement for both games.

Yeah, he looked over people's shoulders and said "hey, good job" ;)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2011, 05:16:32 PM
I played some Final Fantasy 7 yesterday and I made Cloud dress up as a woman so that he could be picked by a notorious crime lord/womanizer to become his bride, but this happened after I made him get raped by a group of muscle guys in a Jacuzzi. It was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 05:16:48 PM
The lead scenario writer for Type-0 is actually Hiroki Chiba, who was the scenario writer and event director for Dirge of Cerberus. Which further supports my point.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:18:20 PM
I played some Final Fantasy 7 yesterday and I made Cloud dress up as a woman so that he could be picked by a notorious crime lord/womanizer to become his bride, but this happened after I made him get raped by a group of muscle guys in a Jacuzzi. It was pretty awesome.

:bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
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I played some Final Fantasy 7 yesterday and I made Cloud dress up as a woman so that he could be picked by a notorious crime lord/womanizer to become his bride, but this happened after I made him get raped by a group of muscle guys in a Jacuzzi. It was pretty awesome.

Toriyama wrote and directed all the Honeybee Inn stuff (seriously)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:19:14 PM
I played some Final Fantasy 7 yesterday and I made Cloud dress up as a woman so that he could be picked by a notorious crime lord/womanizer to become his bride, but this happened after I made him get raped by a group of muscle guys in a Jacuzzi. It was pretty awesome.
Everything that was good in that game happened in Midgar.

So it should have just stayed there.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 05:20:56 PM
Kazushige Nojima: What I remember is the Honey Bee Inn, Toriyama (Motomu Toriyama) was in charge of the Honey Bee Inn’s events, but at first what took place there was more extreme, and everyone was saying “That’s going too far.”

Yoshinori Kitase: Was it really that bad?

Nojima: Yeah… for example, Palmer would emerge from the inn saying “Well, that was refreshing!” *laughing*

Kitase: Toriyama was always making weird, tricky little events like that that kept getting edited. For instance, there was once a scene on the station platform where Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie from AVALANCHE would face each other and try to combine into one.
(...)

Kitase: When an event begins in Final Fantasy VII, the other two party members separate themselves from Cloud’s avatar. Once the event finishes, the party recombines and Cloud is alone once more. It’s just the way the game’s set up, but Toriyama parodied that. The three members of AVALANCHE were like "Let’s do that too!" and do their best to combine together, but they just ended up running into each other and muttering "I guess we still don’t have enough practice." *laughing*
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:20:56 PM
I played some Final Fantasy 7 yesterday and I made Cloud dress up as a woman so that he could be picked by a notorious crime lord/womanizer to become his bride, but this happened after I made him get raped by a group of muscle guys in a Jacuzzi. It was pretty awesome.
Everything that was good in that game happened in Midgar.

So it should have just stayed there.

.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:22:20 PM
Also, Sephiroth shouldn't have existed in the first place. Shinra were much better villains.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:23:14 PM
Aside from the Shadow Hearts series, I'd kill for another dark, adult RPG set in a dystopian city. Something in the vein of SMT:N but with people instead of monsters.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2011, 05:24:14 PM
I liked the part where the characters had to disguise themselves as Shinra soldiers and infiltrate the parade. And then purposefully mess everything up.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:25:13 PM
I liked the part where the characters had to disguise themselves as Shinra soldiers and infiltrate the parade. And then purposefully mess everything up.

I did that part perfectly last run.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:26:01 PM
The only other part of FFVII I liked was the City of the Ancients. Dat music.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2011, 05:26:47 PM
The best part of FF7 outside of Midgard was the Golden Saucer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT4xRwi5gUU

:rock

:bow Going on a date with Barrett :bow2
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
FFVII has a lot of interesting ideas and stuff. I love how light hearted it is. If the game difficulty were higher it'd be such a boss game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:28:38 PM
Light hearted? The game's a giant cesspool of brooding angst. If there was any more angst, the game would explode in Hot Topic tears.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
I remember the first time I got the submarine and the music played and then I encountered Emerald Weapon. Fuck Emerald Weapon all day, all night long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_5zD7rhwPo

This song man.

12 years old.

FF7 was the perfect game for a pre-teen/early teen.  :-[
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2011, 05:29:07 PM
The scrap-metal rocket was pretty awesome too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB6vl2ejqTw

And the Mako cannon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oJeTCGEic
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:31:10 PM
FFVII's underwater theme is pretty cool, though I preferred The Serpent Trench in FFVI.

Just because that's a fucking awesome name -- the Serpent Trench.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
Light hearted? The game's a giant cesspool of brooding angst. If there was any more angst, the game would explode in Hot Topic tears.

You must be joking. FF7 is among the most light hearted FF's. The wall market? Don Corneo? Yuffie? Rude getting high in Junon? The parade? You jump on to a thing 50 feet in the air from the nose of a dolphin.  The Golden Saucer? The bitch slap fight? Beneath the brood, FF7 has a lot of heart.

I love the part where you break in Shinra HQ and go into the toilets. :lol
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 05:31:57 PM
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I liked the part where the characters had to disguise themselves as Shinra soldiers and infiltrate the parade. And then purposefully mess everything up.

Toriyama did that part too! (seriously). He was responsible for (wrote/directed the events, NPC/townspeople text, minigames etc.) Sector 7, the Midgar trains, Honeybee Inn, upper Junon, Temple of the Ancients, the undersea Mako reactor, and the submarine minigame.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:32:31 PM
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I liked the part where the characters had to disguise themselves as Shinra soldiers and infiltrate the parade. And then purposefully mess everything up.

Toriyama did that part too! (seriously). He was responsible for Sector 7, the Midgar trains, Honeybee Inn, upper Junon, Temple of the Ancients, the undersea Mako reactor, and the submarine minigame.

How does one man go from gold to bronze?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:33:39 PM
FFVII also has the upper floors of Shinra, the slums, the fall of Sector 7, Nibelheim, Mt. Nibel, everything related to Sephiroth, everything related to Cloud, everything related to the planet, everything related to Aeris, and the finale with what happens to Midgar.

There were bits of goofy fun but the game is silly grimdark most of the time.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:35:58 PM
The upper floors of Shinra has a mad scientist trying to breed a young woman with a red wolf dog. :lol And then...and then...the dog talks! And he cries over his grandpa! :lol

The upper floors of Shinra were awesome, actually. Everything in Midgar owns. The slums own. The sector 7 fall owns. Nibelheim OWNS.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:36:28 PM
now I can bury the best FF track in snow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dHbozmyJmA

Esto Gaza :bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:38:15 PM
I have sucessfully replayed IX only once. Too slowwwwwwwwwwwww, too easyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Script, villains, characters (well...Zidane, Vivi, Dagger, and Steiner) are great! Riverdancing rats! :bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:39:45 PM
It's all about the experience. The music, the locales, the characters, the story, the goddamn DETAIL to everything in IX's world is just the absolute pinnacle of jRPGs. Bring whoever wrote IX back, they can write a good story.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 05:41:25 PM
IX had a crap villain and Zidane and all the rest of the good guys were pretty dull outside Vivi.  The battle system takes FOREVER.

It had some great scenes though.  But I think it was the weakest of the PS1 trio.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:42:56 PM
Crap villain? Kuja is one of the most well-written villains in the series.

lol Zidane being dull

wow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
Zidane and Steiner dull? lol
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 22, 2011, 05:44:47 PM
don't you guys dare to touch my FFVII :punch

It's all about the experience. The music, the locales, the characters, the story, the goddamn DETAIL to everything in IX's world is just the absolute pinnacle of jRPGs. Bring whoever wrote IX back, they can write a good story.

yes! this man understand how jrpg works
but  kuja was still a lame villain :shh
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:46:42 PM
Why, exactly? He was an actor who thought he was the director in his own play, and completely snapped when he realized he had no control over his own existence.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:48:39 PM
Yeahhhh...I don't think I play jrpgs for "the experience". I play wrpgs for "the experience".
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:49:56 PM
IX IS an experience, from beginning to end, though. It constantly tops itself over and over and over again.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 22, 2011, 05:51:11 PM
it's just that he strikes me as generic,there's really nothing interessing about him,he's crazy and evil and that's about it... he might as well be called kefka 2
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:51:39 PM
I just remember getting my grindan on to 100% every skill and playing Chocobo Hot and Cold and Moogle Mail because they all owned.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
it's just that he strikes me as generic,there's really nothing interessing about him,he's crazy and evil and that's about it... he might as well be called kefka 2

He's also flamboyant. At the time that was pretty different for a jrpg villain.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:53:40 PM
it's just that he strikes me as generic,there's really nothing interessing about him,he's crazy and evil and that's about it... he might as well be called kefka 2
He's not generic, though? He's legitimately scared about dying, about not being able to have any control over his own fate. Kefka was insane just to be insane, Kuja had an absolutely manic fear of death.

He's not just crazy and evil.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:54:39 PM
Don't worry Zephyr, you will soon learn that "generic" is Magus' rebuttal to every thing.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 22, 2011, 05:54:47 PM
what can i say,i like queen's brayne goofy evil muppet look better :derp
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:56:17 PM
what can i say,i like queen's brayne goofy evil muppet look better :derp

(http://i.imgur.com/kjCo3.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 05:56:44 PM
Don't worry Zephyr, you will soon learn that "generic" is Magus' rebuttal to every thing.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2PuLGUs5e0A/SapzlSoNHyI/AAAAAAAABZ4/XjQbZ5oEpEk/s400/kujatrance.jpg)

Kuja doesn't like being called generic.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
Kuja completely decimates riverdancing rats. How could he?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2011, 05:59:37 PM
Bring whoever wrote IX back, they can write a good story.

That was Sakaguchi, so, yeah, not gonna happen.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
Quote
I liked the part where the characters had to disguise themselves as Shinra soldiers and infiltrate the parade. And then purposefully mess everything up.

Toriyama did that part too! (seriously). He was responsible for Sector 7, the Midgar trains, Honeybee Inn, upper Junon, Temple of the Ancients, the undersea Mako reactor, and the submarine minigame.

How does one man go from gold to bronze?

That just gets back to my thesis, that Square has actually been pretty consistent in a lot of ways but is perceived differently based on context and some other stuff that's basically external to the things themselves. Toriyama for example has always specialized in fucked-up events, weird and tricky ones as Kitase put it, but his fucked-up weirdness in the Honeybee Inn etc. in FF7 get perceived differently than the fucked-up weirdness in 3rd Birthday for example. But from his and Square's perspective while making them, they probably think of them as basically the same kind of thing.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
9 is too slow, i've played vii too much...have never even booted up 8.  so....how is it?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 06:55:09 PM
9 is too slow, i've played vii too much...have never even booted up 8.  so....how is it?

Definition of love it or hate it.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2011, 06:56:35 PM
I gave up on 8 after the first 3 hrs.  Shit was too damn slow.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
is the battle system/gameplay slow? 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Timber on December 22, 2011, 06:58:19 PM
VIII is a beautiful dream of a game, it's all about taking strolls through quiet seaside towns and feeling all :uguu :uguu and wanting desperately to marry Squall. At least that's how I feel about it.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 07:00:20 PM
so....about that gameplay
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 07:01:36 PM
battles in FF8 are quite slow with 10 second load times, long animations (that play one at a time as in FF7 and 9), and high-HP enemies.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 07:03:33 PM
damnit.  oh well.  XIII-2 is about a month away, along with SC5, then Tales of the Abyss 3DS a couple weeks later and some other stuff and goddamn even when you try to not have a backlog you get a backlog if you like games too much.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
Yeah, FF8 is also really unbalanced for the first 75% of the game, although the remaining 25% is actually interestingly designed and nicely challenging provided you don't do the annoying sidequests that get you the game-breaking ultimate stuff.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 07:17:56 PM
The problem with FF for me is that while I haven't really liked any of them overall since 6, I haven't been able to hate or write off any of them either as they all keep having a lot of aspects that are cool or could have potentially been cool or are at least interesting. So while pretty much all of them from 7 on have been about a 5 out of 10 for me, they unfortunately haven't been ordinary mediocre 5/10s but rather "if only ...  :'(" 5/10s. Thus I've been doomed to keep following them and never find closure  :'(
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 22, 2011, 07:21:59 PM
9 is too slow, i've played vii too much...have never even booted up 8.  so....how is it?
Don't bother, try IX again.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 07:28:04 PM
VIII is faster than VII or IX.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 07:28:04 PM
I'd like to see an FF9 rerelease on more powerful hardware - it'd be worthwhile even if it just fixed the load times and nothing else.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 07:29:09 PM
VIII is faster than VII or IX.

It is slower than 7 in every way. Compared to 9, the load times are (a few seconds) shorter, the animations are longer.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 07:34:01 PM
VIII is faster than VII or IX.

It is slower than 7 in every way. Compared to 9, the load times are (a few seconds) shorter, the animations are longer.

Faster ATB at fastest speed, though I'll give you 7 has faster animations.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
That doesn't have much effect on the overall speed (throughput) - other than in pathological cases (1-character party), you spend a lot more time waiting for animations to finish than waiting for ATB bars to fill up (or for charge time to finish in 9's case).
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
The summoning animation was too long.  They should have let people skip that crap.

How's 12 in that area?  I still haven't gotten past the 1st hour. 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 22, 2011, 07:39:26 PM
play parasite eve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBvCsJRE6A0

problem solved :smug
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 07:42:36 PM
The summoning animation was too long.  They should have let people skip that crap.

How's 12 in that area?  I still haven't gotten past the 1st hour.

In 12 summons join you in gameplay and aren't elaborate cutscenes. also, on the hand, FF8 does have boost for when you summon.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 07:53:56 PM
Button mashing while watching a video makes it so much more engaging, I should make a browser plugin that lets you button mash while watching YouTube videos
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 22, 2011, 08:31:51 PM
this thread just took me back to highschool :o
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 09:36:22 PM
fuck it, i'll just play Crystalis. 

:bow Crystalis :bow2
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 09:38:13 PM
Crystalis is pretty rad, yeah. and is better than any post-SNES FF
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 09:40:47 PM
i just singlehandedly revived this thread. 

this thread is now about Crystalis.  all final fantasy talk banned. 

poison forest is a bitch!   

kyu, kyu 

SNK had some damn good nes ports...haven't quite gotten back to that mark again.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 09:48:21 PM
What's so much better about pre-psx FF? Better gameplay? FF6 is among the easiest FF's, FFX-2 massacres FF5.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
Faster, more balanced (4/5 anyway), more cohesive overall package
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2011, 10:11:56 PM
FF12, 13 and X-2 are faster than all of those games, though. As for balance, 5 isn't that balanced given the many ways you can abuse the system. 4 I can see, but not 5 or 6. Not that you'll get any complaints out of me as I think the SNES FF's are the best FF "trilogy" (hell, 5 and 6 are at the top of my FF list) but I'm not seeing them being so good they make the 3d games look bad.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 22, 2011, 10:16:53 PM
as a story hater, FF6 was actually pretty fun in that sense.  I liked the party splitting stuff and the characters had personality and interesting backstories that they told quickly and which stuck with you the whole game.  memorable villains too.  i couldn't even tell you the villain of FFXIII's name, nor do I know exactly who it is.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 23, 2011, 11:18:08 AM
I don't think I used mist or summons or whatever either.  Then again, I got my ass handed to me in the final dungeon.  Is that part supposed to be super hard?  I may have just been doing it wrong...used up ALL the ethers I found in the game, but still managed to beat it.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 23, 2011, 01:35:15 PM
i stopped playing FF12 on a dungeon where the map was hand-drawn and i think all the room were the same
there was some teleporting bullshit or something
how far was i from the ending?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2011, 01:54:23 PM
was it in a giant crystal? there was one more level

that crystal surpasses the tower in ff2 for shittiest dungeon in the series
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2011, 02:10:44 PM
Giruvegan owns you pussies
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2011, 02:21:18 PM
total shit level.  the bonus stuff with the maze & the timed switches is for jrpg sadists only.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 23, 2011, 02:27:02 PM
i stopped playing FF12 on a dungeon where the map was hand-drawn and i think all the room were the same
there was some teleporting bullshit or something
how far was i from the ending?
It doesn't matter, the game sucked.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2011, 03:02:58 PM
Pharos is the best dungeon in the series. :bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 23, 2011, 03:13:29 PM
was it in a giant crystal? there was one more level

that crystal surpasses the tower in ff2 for shittiest dungeon in the series

That was actually 2nd best dungeon in the game and one of the top 3 in whole series (FF1-FF13). But what would losers like you and magus know...

after beating gilgamesh every other fight was trivial and i couldn't care about the plot less
CHESTBINNED
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2011, 03:17:15 PM
was it in a giant crystal? there was one more level

that crystal surpasses the tower in ff2 for shittiest dungeon in the series

That was actually 2nd best dungeon in the game and one of the top 3 in whole series (FF1-FF13). But what would losers like you and magus know...

my nicca

top three dungeons in the series:

1. Pharos
2. Ultimecia's Castle
3. Giruvegan
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 23, 2011, 04:42:38 PM
I like FF1's hook of being normal dudes for half the game and bad ass dudes the second half.  It's like the normal to L'cie change, except not lame as shit. 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 23, 2011, 04:43:34 PM
You sure it was the last dungeon? It's the pre-last (Pharoh) that is insanely hard. Last one is basically 3 rooms.

whichever the really long, multitiered one was.  shit was crazzzzzzzzyyyyy

thought I was gonna be statistically fucked if I ran out of ethers and potions.  am I remembering correctly that you couldn't leave it?  or am I just thinking of how difficult it would be to leave it and come back and start all over? 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
You sure it was the last dungeon? It's the pre-last (Pharoh) that is insanely hard. Last one is basically 3 rooms.

whichever the really long, multitiered one was.  shit was crazzzzzzzzyyyyy

thought I was gonna be statistically fucked if I ran out of ethers and potions.  am I remembering correctly that you couldn't leave it?  or am I just thinking of how difficult it would be to leave it and come back and start all over?

Sounds like Pharos. :bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 23, 2011, 04:48:28 PM
they better fucking make XII HD based on the international version.  all that awesome code just sitting there for the dirty japanese. 

well either that or I better get a PC that can run PCSX2 at some point so I can play the translated version.  or a used ps2 + swap discs...but it's pretty ugly. 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2011, 04:49:12 PM
Use component cables with ps2
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 23, 2011, 04:50:41 PM
Use component cables with ps2

component cables don't put the AA and AF on the polygons  :-\ 

I wanna see all that glorious FFXII detail that went to waste on the ps2.  I don't understand  why they even put in that much detail, but I guess I'm thankful.

supposed I could fuck with a BC PS3 to use swap discs, but i don't need 3 of these things...already half way to asperger's by owning 2.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2011, 04:52:49 PM
The best part of Pharos is that you get to choose your own penalty. I like to go for No Weapons, forcing me to use magic and skills to get by. Makes the dungeon TOUGGGGGGGGH since ethers are rare in 12.

FFXII :bow

The best FF :bow
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 23, 2011, 04:56:13 PM
Forgot about that part.  aghghhh i wanna forget the game exists until they announce the inevitable port after Final Fantasy 1-5 HD Remakes for the PS4 are complete.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on December 23, 2011, 06:51:19 PM
Giruvegan was awful, one of my least fave FF dungeons ever.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2011, 08:35:57 PM
high-five

all the indoor areas sucked in ff12 except pharos
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 23, 2011, 10:20:54 PM
Memoria was the best FF dungeon; not because of the gameplay but the visuals + actual story put into the place. It's a walk down memory lane for the entire series.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2011, 10:33:06 PM
high-five

all the indoor areas sucked in ff12 except pharos

Henne Mines :rock
The Leviathan :rock
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 24, 2011, 12:45:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtyTxrDLPug

fuckkkk yes
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 24, 2011, 01:42:05 AM
Don Flamenco: if you are in Pharos and still have the save MAN UP. You are >-< this close to beating the game. I'd say you are at max 5 hours to go. Do not abandon the game after all the time you invested in it :'( You are so close to the end!

yes! finish what Matsuno couldn't!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 24, 2011, 02:58:23 AM
Memoria was the best FF dungeon; not because of the gameplay but the visuals + actual story put into the place. It's a walk down memory lane for the entire series.

Haha, yeah it's literally a walk down a lane (of memories)!

But I thought FF8's last dungeon was both the best in the series, and the only good dungeon in the game. Although good dungeon / level design, gameplay-wise, has always been a rarity in Square games tbh. Take your pick from straight lines, thinly veiled straight lines with occasional branches with treasure chests, stupid mazes, and lame shallow puzzles and gimmicks. Another way that Square has been and continues to be pretty consistent over the years!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2011, 03:27:18 AM
Great Final Fantasy dungeons:

- Ultimecia's Castle (FFVIII)
- Deep Sea Lab Research Center  (FFVIII)
- Via Infinito (FFX-2)
- Pharos (FFXII)
- Giruvegan  (FFXII)
- Henne Mines (FFXII)
- The Leviathan (FFXII)
- Tomb of Raithwall (FFXII)
- Barheim Passage  (FFXII)
- The Stilshrine of Miriam  (FFXII)
- Feywood  (FFXII)
- Fanatic's Tower (FFVI)
- Daryl's Tomb (FFVI)
- Phoenix Cave  (FFVI)
- Kefka's Tower (FFVI)
- X-Death's Castle  (FFV)
- Tower of Zot (FFIV)
- Tower of Babel (FFIV)

Can't remember specific dungeons from FF1-3, 7, 9, 10, or 13.

Of course, FFXII has the best dungeons AND locations.

Paramina Rift :bow
Ogir-Yensa Sandsea :bow
Nam-Yensa Sandsea :bow
Cerobi Steppe :bow

The best FF.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2011, 03:35:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf6Nuy0k_iA

UNF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4srnwd-FEX8

UNF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpkAJsZeOaM

OH YEAH
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2011, 03:47:37 AM
I like Leviathan due to the amount of enemies. You're gonna trip the alarm SOME TIME, and when you do, you will be fighting like 8-10 guards at once. SO BOSS.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2011, 03:50:04 AM
The Stilshrine of Miriam - HOLY FUCK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ImrBTZsIGo

Holy shit, this guy is overleveled by at least 10-15 levels :rofl
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: naff on December 24, 2011, 05:08:23 AM
Easy to do with all the hunts and sidequests in XII. Levelling isn't that important in XII anyway, hence things like the 122333 challenge.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 24, 2011, 09:32:31 AM
Don Flamenco: if you are in Pharos and still have the save MAN UP. You are >-< this close to beating the game. I'd say you are at max 5 hours to go. Do not abandon the game after all the time you invested in it :'( You are so close to the end!


I did beat it a few years ago!  :rock
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2011, 10:51:09 AM
Easy to do with all the hunts and sidequests in XII. Levelling isn't that important in XII anyway, hence things like the 122333 challenge.

He chained Dustia's.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2011, 11:14:36 AM
kefka's tower & via infinito :yuck wtf is wrong with you son
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2011, 11:21:19 AM
Kefka's Tower requires the team to split up. It owns. Same reason I love ultimecia'w castle.

Via Infinito is great cuz you WILL oversoul bosses and some may be tough as nails despite you having trigger happy.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 24, 2011, 11:44:56 AM
Kefka's Tower requires the team to split up. It owns. Same reason I love ultimecia'w castle.

Via Infinito is great cuz you WILL oversoul bosses and some may be tough as nails despite you having trigger happy.

splitting up is super annoying,when i played the game i cleared one section with the first team,then retreated,then cleared the second section with the first team again,then retreated,then cleared the third section with the first team again

so you don't even have to do that
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2011, 11:46:05 AM
ah, i was thinking fanatic's tower, not kefka's tower

and yeah the battles were fun in via infinito (when i stopped playing i only had two more monsters that needed to be oversouled :'( ) but i was just thinking of the repetitive level design
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2011, 11:47:48 AM

splitting up is super annoying,when i played the game i cleared one section with the first team,then retreated,then cleared the second section with the first team again,then retreated,then cleared the third section with the first team again

so you don't even have to do that

why would you do this?  balancing teams made up of strong and weak characters and being forced to rely on abilities you hadn't used in hours was fun!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on December 24, 2011, 11:56:15 AM
because that spare me a lot of pointless grinding
also the rest of the party includes character that are super annoying to use like gau,gogo and that snowman i can't remember the name

and besides the whole game becomes a cakewalk anyway as soon as you get your hands on the offering and there is one member in your party that attacks 8 times for 5 digit damage
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on December 24, 2011, 12:32:34 PM
God I can't stand 6's party dungeons

Fuck Gau Fuck Mog, fuck all those third tier shit turds
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 24, 2011, 12:39:33 PM
when I play RPGs that have you choose a party I usually just always take whichever characters are lowest leveled at any given time. That way nobody ever gets too far behind, nobody gets to all that high a level which is a good thing since most RPGs are too easy anyway, my party keeps getting changed up for more variety, and I never feel compelled to go on message boards and whine about having to grind or whatever.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 24, 2011, 02:41:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ16BFVlrq0

the only FF dungeon that matters
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2011, 03:22:44 PM
I forgot Moria even existed. I did that final dungeon at my grandma's house on Christmas 2000.

Most forgettable final dungeon I can even think of. It was the final dungeon, right? I just breezed through it and I wasn't even that high a level.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 24, 2011, 07:04:45 PM
Then I guess you seriously weren't paying attention. Kinda like how I was during the entirety of the narcolepsy-inducing FFXII.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 28, 2011, 12:47:26 PM
Yeah, Memoria at least had awesome prog-rock album cover backgrounds, and the invisible card game players were a cool touch.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on January 06, 2012, 12:48:57 PM
Also on xbl
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on January 27, 2012, 06:52:36 PM
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1217386p1.html

"gee i wonder how many words will go before the reviewer talk about FF13 linear..."

Quote
"Linear." A word hurled at the original Final Fantasy XIII without relent, and rightly so.

ZERO! ZERO WORDS! IT'S A FUCKING WORLD RECORD! THE CROWD GOES WILD! A RESULT NOBODY WOULD HAVE EXPECTED
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on January 27, 2012, 07:23:50 PM
ok
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2012, 08:15:54 PM
Good thing they cleared that up as soon as possible, wouldn't want people getting the wrong idea about FFXIII-2. :smug
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 27, 2012, 08:16:20 PM
only 3 moar days
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on January 27, 2012, 08:34:56 PM
Good thing they cleared that up as soon as possible, wouldn't want people getting the wrong idea about FFXIII-2. :smug

LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER ALL THE DLC AND STUPID SERAH QUOTES
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on January 27, 2012, 08:37:35 PM
I'm buying this and prepared to hate myself afterwards.

At least it won't be as bad as FFVI
it's better than FFXIII, so you should be okay
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on January 28, 2012, 05:49:39 AM
I'm buying this and prepared to hate myself afterwards.

At least it won't be as bad as FFVI

i am going to fucking KILL you
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2012, 10:28:24 PM
So I just read the FF Wiki on FFXIII (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII) and I think I'm refreshed on the plot/world/characters of the game.  Reading about the story and worldview stuff makes me kind of want to replay FFXIII because it doesn't sound so bad in hindsight.  Those of you who were replaying XIII before XIII-2...did you find the game better this time around?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on January 28, 2012, 10:42:30 PM
i'm replaying it now, and while it's less bad, it's only because i already know the game stays awful the whole way through so there's no continual disappointment to factor in.  it's still every bit as boring and tedious as you remember though.  it seriously feels like they just took the basic outline for an ff and figured they'd flesh out the details later, but they NEVER DID.  why the FUCK is does the sewer level have more cut-and-paste rooms than halo 1?  why do i not even need to bother changing paradigms regularly until about five hours in?   why does so much of the plot revolve around people wanting to say something to each other but putting it off over and over again?  why why whyyyyy
Title: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 29, 2012, 02:26:57 AM
why does so much of the plot revolve around people wanting to say something to each other but putting it off over and over again? 

So true lol.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Vizzys on January 29, 2012, 04:05:09 AM
because anime
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: naff on January 29, 2012, 06:25:56 AM
Demo was ok. I'll pick it up once it's bargain bin fodder
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 30, 2012, 11:15:35 AM
Demo was ok. I'll pick it up once it's bargain bin fodder

T MINUS TWO WEEKS
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 30, 2012, 02:38:55 PM
Amazon shipped my copy today, probably start playing it tomorrow night.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: MCD on January 31, 2012, 09:46:46 AM
http://andriasang.com/comzte/ffxiii2_lightning_amoda/

(http://i.imgur.com/t36Io.jpg)

Look at this beastly motherfucker
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on January 31, 2012, 12:16:22 PM
I want to have sex with him.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 12:46:22 PM
Longest day everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 02:18:59 PM
Amazon is giving $30 credit with X360 version.

Just picked up a copy, gonna take it back to Toys R Us when it arrives, cause I'm using a gift card to buy it there anyway.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 02:28:30 PM
Yes, I bought 2 copies of FF13-2. Bring on 13-3
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 06:26:16 PM
she used Army of One on Caius... yeeeeeee
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: G The Resurrected on January 31, 2012, 06:34:30 PM
I bought 2 copies of the CE today just to get some DLC for the misses. Thankfully I can take back the other, but sadly I must now be annoyed for god know's how long with this game running next to me for the next few months.

What a horrendous soundtrack thus far.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2012, 06:34:43 PM
Is that big dude supposed to be a modern take on Barret?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 06:58:20 PM
I bought 2 copies of the CE today just to get some DLC for the misses. Thankfully I can take back the other, but sadly I must now be annoyed for god know's how long with this game running next to me for the next few months.

What a horrendous soundtrack thus far.

Yer crazy, the songs I heard were great. And it isn't as grindy as 13 was, should be done with it by end of the month myself.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 06:58:47 PM
Is that big dude supposed to be a modern take on Barret?

He was Lightning's superior in 13... starred in maybe one or two flashbacks I think.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 07:33:38 PM
I dont understand the new Crystarium... do they all share the same path?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 31, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
UPS sucks. Where's mah copy of the game?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 07:47:07 PM
New Crystarium is ballsack. You have to choose what role is upgraded. And if it has an ability and you use it, the ability it was for is moved. So you can be like Level 20 Ravager and still level 3 Sentinel, and you are punished because suddenly that level 3 Sentinel requires 50000 CP to use.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2012, 07:58:18 PM
I thought it scales.

Like Role A can be 1000CP for next item, but Role B is 100CP for next item because it's lower level.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 07:59:06 PM
Naw man, I beefed up Ravager to about 6, but from what I could see Level 2 Sentinel required the same price as Level 7 Ravager - the price rises every time you hit one of the special orbs (bigger orbs)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
oh, I don't think I hit a special orb.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on January 31, 2012, 08:06:37 PM
Really? It's one of the first orbs you hit. It says "Commando/Sentinel/Ravager Bonus"
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 31, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
What the fuck, UPS. Release day delivery with Amazon. Why u no give me my game?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2012, 09:28:46 PM
Really? It's one of the first orbs you hit. It says "Commando/Sentinel/Ravager Bonus"

Hmm, didn't pay attention enough.  Only in ep2.  Didn't play since Sunday.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on January 31, 2012, 09:56:14 PM
I bought 2 copies of the CE today just to get some DLC for the misses. Thankfully I can take back the other, but sadly I must now be annoyed for god know's how long with this game running next to me for the next few months.

What a horrendous soundtrack thus far.
You're insane, this soundtrack is godly.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2012, 01:06:54 AM
I had no idea Origa does vocals in FFXIII-2. Very cool.

edit: Where the hell are save points? I need to get to bed.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 01, 2012, 01:17:58 AM
I had no idea Origa does vocals in FFXIII-2. Very cool.

edit: Where the hell are save points? I need to get to bed.
You can save

anywhere
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2012, 01:22:31 AM
Oh thank fuck. I'm tired.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2012, 05:28:24 PM
Strange game.  Feels so unorthodox and more like a tri-ace game with a million systems than an FF.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
Tri-ace apparently worked on the game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2012, 09:41:22 PM
Ok, finished Ep2 and moved to the next areas.

I'm really liking this!  It feels a lot like FFX-2 where it's a meaty gameplay game with TONS of stuff to do in a sometimes non-linear order, like an oddball rpg with the budget of an FF in visual presentation.  Lots of sidestuff, lots of hidden goodies, plot is light hearted like X-2 and broken down into 2 hour episodic adventures which makes it like a fun sci-fi show.  Combat is pretty good, like the new encounter system, music is definitely different.

Also it helps that the cast is not annoying so far!  Noel is like the most level headed cool, but not-annoying-snow-cool, positive and semi-intelligent teenage male lead that we've had since Tidus.  Serah is just the cute dumb chick to go "??" with her head titled sideways all the time, but she's less of an airhead than say Vanille's act in XIII, and fairly tolerable.  I don't necessarily find her character interesting, but she doesn't bother me and I just pretend the story is about cool guy time traveler Noel going on episodic adventures in the past to rewrite the history into a GOOD END in the far future.

Only really stickler so far is the framerate, which is a shame (2 year dev cycle being the new SE standard :| ) and combat could be a little tougher.

Looks like I might not bail on SE after all.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2012, 03:36:57 AM
What I like about this game, is that it already has 1000x the strategy and depth of FF Type 0.  So coming from that it's like AWESOME STRATEGY BATTLES WITH DEPTH AND DECENT CHALLENGE OMGGGG.  I'm almost not really seeing where people are saying this game is easy until the final dungeon.  I'm only about 5-6 hours in, so maybe once I get some good monsters it'll turn cake, but the difficulty level has been quite good so far.  Normal fights are easy, but the goal isn't to win, it's to win quickly and efficiently to get 5 stars and up your drop rate.  And that takes some real strategy in picking your monsters and paradigms.  Bosses have been a good challenge too.  They hit really hard and are decently fast (this might get easier when you have higher HPs later on), so you gotta be pretty smart and sometimes use a lot of items.  Feels just right for an rpg and tougher than a lot of other rpgs this gen where you steam roll everything.

Right now because the Crystarium is a PoS like demi said, I'm just doing ATTACKER MAXING with Noel and Serah is getting a BLASTER/HEALER split and for everything else (additional healing/buffing/debuffing) I just figure I'll use monsters.  It's working pretty well though I wish I would get some decent BLASTER monsters.  I'm still using the first guy I got in the game if I need 3 x BLASTER.  But normally I'm starting with a buffer monster to buff Noel/Serah then switching in an attacker to do ATTACK x 2 + BLASTER to destroy everything and switch in healers when necessary for a few moments.

Like this game a lot.  People bashing it because it's light and wacky like FFX-2 are stupid.  Nothing wrong with some non-serious, fun and meaty gameplay rpgs with heavy duty production values.  FFX-2 was one of the best FFs and this is starting off pretty great as well.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 02, 2012, 09:51:52 AM
know that as soon as i get my hand on this,you guys will all suffer my wrath

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 02, 2012, 10:05:05 AM
Nobody's going to be surprised you have issues with it, magus.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 02, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
I got my ass beat too, I'm not sure if I'm underleveled (yes, underleveled) or I'm upgrading wrong, but I couldn't get past the boss at Yaschas (the paradox thing) or Sunleth (the giant flan).
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 02, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
Gonna finally start this game today, and gonna play all weekend long, only stopping to see the G-Men hopefully win. Can't wait!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 02, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
Nobody's going to be surprised you have issues with it, magus.
and/or nobody would care
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2012, 04:57:15 PM
I care about magus's opinions. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
but sometimes I go  ::)
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Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2012, 04:58:54 PM
I got my ass beat too, I'm not sure if I'm underleveled (yes, underleveled) or I'm upgrading wrong, but I couldn't get past the boss at Yaschas (the paradox thing) or Sunleth (the giant flan).

I have this idea that they upped the difficulty for the US/Euro release and patched the JP version to match it with the worldwide patch released at the same time.  No idea if this happened, but it seems really weird that everyone who played the import said the game was jokingly easy, yet it doesn't seem that way at all so far.

I'm probably underleveled too.  Not grinding, not fighting every random encounter, and using chocobos whenever available to dodge all encounters.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2012, 01:11:21 PM
I like it, except for Oerba which is still the most boring location to run around even after 200 years.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2012, 08:37:08 PM
It's probably because I don't read tutorials anymore in games, but even 8 hours in I still have no idea what I think about this game because I don't even really get how to play it.  It reminds me of most Tri-ace games where I have no idea what I'm doing until 30 hours in when I learn how to play.  I'm ok with Tri-ace games being obtuse but don't really want that creeping into my FF.

Like I just never can tell if I'm kicking ass and doing good at battles or I'm doing it all wrong.  I don't know which enemies I should be breaking and which I should just be attacking real fast.  I don't know if my monsters I'm using are good or if they're worthless.  I just can't tell much.  The game isn't giving me good feedback on if I'm playing it right because of the kind of "auto-playing" that is in the battle system.

But I do like some of the fights where I die and have to think up a new strategy and then 5 star win it.  It seems the system is good, I just need to sit down and learn how to play correctly.  Same with the Crystarium.  Apparently I've been doing it all wrong and that might be a little bad in hindsight.  Wish the game was more clear in explaining stuff.

And like the side quests, after the 2nd area I haven't done any of them because I have no idea how to do them if they want an item or something.  I'm exploring all the maps out that I can so dunno.  It's just hard to figure out whether you're missing something or you just haven't gotten there yet. 

I also don't get some of the time traveling stuff from a story-perspective, like the parallel branchings etc...

Seems neat, just kind of a confusing game. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Snow is still a Bro though
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Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 04, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
you should probably sift through the Datalog, honestly. Nothing about the battle system or the monsters should be confusing.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 04, 2012, 09:02:22 PM
The Crystarium is just bad, I hate it. It was 100% fine before.

The monsters are "ok" but like Bebpo said, they're all very samey, and I don't understand the various snippets under their profile (Frostproof, etc.) and the star rating for them. As far as I care, they could practically be th same monster, aside from their stats.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 04, 2012, 09:48:22 PM
Except they're not. Each monster has different resists, stats, and abilities. Frostproof should be a no-brainer if you've ever played FFX or just know what something + proof means. In this case, it means that monster is strong against Ice spells.

Early Peaker is any monster that maxes out early, like at level 20 or something. Well-Groomed monsters max out at mid level, and Late Bloomers max out at 99.

The star rating is the level of material it takes to give them levels on their Crystarium. Also, different monsters have different Feral Links that help both doing damage AND for acquiring other monsters.

Don't see what's wrong with the Crystarium. They didn't really change anything at all.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2012, 10:25:58 PM
Wait, how do you acquire monsters anyhow?  I just assumed it was like a random drop.  I only seem to get the shitty ones.  Don't have ANY SEN so far, my only MED is the first monster you get in the story, and my whateverthefuckyoucallthem buffers/debuffers are awful and have like 1 spell.  I'm using a COM blob, the starting cat in a floating horn MED, and the started RAV you first got as my monsters still 8 hours in.


Btw, I need to rant on how fucking stupid the localization for XIII and XIII-2 is.  As someone playing the JP version, whenever I try to talk to someone playing the US version it's always confusing because of the job role renames and monster renames and SYNCHRO BAR being FERAL POINT or something.  Almost nothing is a direct translation.  I mean WTF, what ever happened to translating Japanese words and not MAKING UP ENTIRELY NEW ONES INSTEAD.  The Japanese job roles make sense because you can identify what they do from the name: ATTACKER, HEALER, DEFENDER, ENHANCER, JAMMER, the only weird one is BLASTER.  But the US ones are totally stupid.  Blah.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2012, 10:29:35 PM
The Crystarium sucks because if you keep boosting 1 job role and CP requirements get high, now it's going to cost you 1000CP per level to get from lvl.1-10 in another job.  That's what demi first complained about and he's 100% right on that.  The CP cost shouldn't be the same across the board for jobs, it should be like DO YOU WANT TO SPEND 5000CP ON NEXT COM SKILL or 100CP on next SEN skill.  Thus making it so you don't feel bad about picking up little side stuff along the way.  As it is, I'm like "do I really want to waste 5000CP on some shitty job I don't even want to main as, instead of putting that toward my main job?".

And monster level sucks, at least for me.  I can't get any of my monsters over lvl.15 so far because I'm just not getting enough of the rank 2 items at this point in the game.  So the monsters seem to suck compared to Noel/Serah for me.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2012, 10:32:19 PM
you should probably sift through the Datalog, honestly. Nothing about the battle system or the monsters should be confusing.

The battle system isn't confusing, the feedback is job non-existent during battle.  I can't tell if what I'm doing is working or not working since the enemies die regardless.  I can only tell afterwards when the star rating comes up.  Since Libra is now rare, I don't know what strategies I'm supposed to be using for each type of enemy.  Should I have Noel use magic on them?  Or should I go with 3 attackers?  Who knows, I don't know their strengths or weaknesses and I'm still winning the battles so oh well.  But that also makes it less fun because for normal battles I'm just doing the same thing every battle regardless of the enemy type I'm facing.  I dunno why they took out the Libra skill.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2012, 10:33:04 PM
Anyhow I'm not complaining.  I think the game is good, it's just a little odd so far.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 04, 2012, 10:36:44 PM
Wait, how do you acquire monsters anyhow?  I just assumed it was like a random drop.  I only seem to get the shitty ones.  Don't have ANY SEN so far, my only MED is the first monster you get in the story, and my whateverthefuckyoucallthem buffers/debuffers are awful and have like 1 spell.  I'm using a COM blob, the starting cat in a floating horn MED, and the started RAV you first got as my monsters still 8 hours in.


Btw, I need to rant on how fucking stupid the localization for XIII and XIII-2 is.  As someone playing the JP version, whenever I try to talk to someone playing the US version it's always confusing because of the job role renames and monster renames and SYNCHRO BAR being FERAL POINT or something.  Almost nothing is a direct translation.  I mean WTF, what ever happened to translating Japanese words and not MAKING UP ENTIRELY NEW ONES INSTEAD.  The Japanese job roles make sense because you can identify what they do from the name: ATTACKER, HEALER, DEFENDER, ENHANCER, JAMMER, the only weird one is BLASTER.  But the US ones are totally stupid.  Blah.
Killing enemies with a Feral Link (i.e., if you get a 250% link and kill that enemy) adds the Link % to your chance of getting the crystal (so like 250% of a 10% drop rate would be a 25% chance, now).

The Crystarium level up is following the same rule as the first game, it's not really the game's fault that you sat there and boosted one job all the way to the max. You just got a bunch of skills way earlier than you need them, why should the game cater to that? It also keeps you from just getting everything superbly early.

The Libra skill is gone, but you can still find and buy Librascopes, and you can find an accessory in the Archylte Steppe that gives you free Libra for every battle.

You need to fight in better places for higher-level material. Generally, your monsters are going to outclass your characters almost all of the time, which is why they limit how much you can level them at a certain time in the story.


I MUCH prefer Medic, Commando, Ravager, Synergist, Saboteur and Sentinel to the Japanese names. By fucking far.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Positive Touch on February 04, 2012, 10:45:39 PM
Quote
The Crystarium level up is following the same rule as the first game, it's not really the game's fault that you sat there and boosted one job all the way to the max. You just got a bunch of skills way earlier than you need them, why should the game cater to that? It also keeps you from just getting everything superbly early.

no, in ff13 every ability had a pre-set number of points to unlock it, so you could level characters up any way you saw fit.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 04, 2012, 10:46:17 PM
And yet every character turns out the same way, which is exactly why XIII-2 is freeform with it.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2012, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, spent 30 mins figure out how everything works, grinding and monster hunting a bit and now everything is perfect.  Awesome game.
Title: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on February 05, 2012, 12:05:26 AM
I just started this game. I really hope I'll find enough pros to wash out the bad taste the new crystarium left when I tried the demo.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
What's wrong with the crystarium? it's the same thing except you now have more free reign.
Title: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on February 05, 2012, 12:16:44 AM
I've had the same issue Demi and Bebpo are having when I was playing the demo. I'll see how that first impression develops in the full game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 12:47:39 AM
What's wrong with the crystarium? it's the same thing except you now have more free reign.

Doesnt feel more "free reign" - what is the difference between what 13 did and this? I can still pump points into Commander just as much as I can Ravager in 13, and it drains my points.

As it is, I have a hard time pulling the trigger on a Medic node because points cost up to 300 now (which is a lot considering I'm still only getting like 60 points a battle)

The way the monsters upgrades are set up is much better. I gotta fight stronger to get stronger items. Sure, whatever, fair enough.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2012, 12:56:43 AM
Fought a bunch of Behemoths for practice and recruited one.  Unfortunately for him my MR. BLOB is still my best COM/ATK guy. BLOB BLOB BLOB


I like the monster system, but instead of the "pass on 1 ability" thing I would rather have had SMT style fusions.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2012, 02:46:30 AM
Went to the Tower thingy on the upper part of the timeline and it was pretty short, only 3 or 4 floors.  I like that; everything in this game is nice and bite-sized episodic.  I picked up one of those PSI-COM CLAW ROBO guys and after a few upgrades he has 500ATK lolololololol.  Replaced my 250ATK blob with him.  Noel/Serah have like 200atk/mag.

Went off to the big field place that has like 12 fragments and chocobos everywhere.  Will explore it out tomorrow if I have time to play.  Cool game bro.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2012, 03:06:38 AM
And one thing I like about the game is how the enemies don't have levels and that combined with the non-linearity of the order you go through the stages and side bosses and stuff it feels like a throwback to oldschool rpg design where you just explore around and if you can take on an enemy, you do it.  If it's close, you keep trying until you do it.  If you're dying in 1 hit, you come back later :P
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 05, 2012, 03:32:28 AM
What's wrong with the crystarium? it's the same thing except you now have more free reign.

Doesnt feel more "free reign" - what is the difference between what 13 did and this? I can still pump points into Commander just as much as I can Ravager in 13, and it drains my points.

As it is, I have a hard time pulling the trigger on a Medic node because points cost up to 300 now (which is a lot considering I'm still only getting like 60 points a battle)

The way the monsters upgrades are set up is much better. I gotta fight stronger to get stronger items. Sure, whatever, fair enough.
Well that's kind of on you that you decided not to level Medic at all. On the other hand, just get a good Medic monster and don't worry about it until you have the points.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2012, 03:36:00 AM
To be fair, normally in an rpg you have more than two characters so it's ok to specialize each character in a job or two.  Here you have 2 characters and you need to figure out which of 6 jobs you want them to main and have in support.  Without knowing what kind of monsters you'll get for the 3rd slot later on it's a bit of a guessing game. 

I think the upgrade system has been weak in every major FF game in many many years.  A lot of other rpgs do character upgrading much better.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 03:40:28 AM
What's wrong with the crystarium? it's the same thing except you now have more free reign.

Doesnt feel more "free reign" - what is the difference between what 13 did and this? I can still pump points into Commander just as much as I can Ravager in 13, and it drains my points.

As it is, I have a hard time pulling the trigger on a Medic node because points cost up to 300 now (which is a lot considering I'm still only getting like 60 points a battle)

The way the monsters upgrades are set up is much better. I gotta fight stronger to get stronger items. Sure, whatever, fair enough.
Well that's kind of on you that you decided not to level Medic at all. On the other hand, just get a good Medic monster and don't worry about it until you have the points.

The point is - that you seemed to have missed - is that Level 1 Medic shouldnt cost 300 points. It should be 50. Or 5. Or 10. If I want to spend money on ranking up that Level 30 Commander, great. But don't charge me a Level 30 Commander cost for a Level 1 Medic. What exact benefit is there for this.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 05, 2012, 03:42:41 AM
What's wrong with the crystarium? it's the same thing except you now have more free reign.

Doesnt feel more "free reign" - what is the difference between what 13 did and this? I can still pump points into Commander just as much as I can Ravager in 13, and it drains my points.

As it is, I have a hard time pulling the trigger on a Medic node because points cost up to 300 now (which is a lot considering I'm still only getting like 60 points a battle)

The way the monsters upgrades are set up is much better. I gotta fight stronger to get stronger items. Sure, whatever, fair enough.
Well that's kind of on you that you decided not to level Medic at all. On the other hand, just get a good Medic monster and don't worry about it until you have the points.

The point is - that you seemed to have missed - is that Level 1 Medic shouldnt cost 300 points. It should be 50. Or 5. Or 10. If I want to spend money on ranking up that Level 30 Commander, great. But don't charge me a Level 30 Commander cost for a Level 1 Medic. What exact benefit is there for this.
Then that would undermine the free-reign nature of the game by giving you the ability to just max out every role in minutes. They curb it so that way you can't just take a level 99 Ravager and stomp the whole game with it, you need to spread shit out and level up everything equally if you're using those Paradigms.

The benefit being that it makes an already easy game a little more difficult.

On top of that, it only costs about 500,000 CP (total) to max out Noel and Serah's roles, so this issue fixes itself really, REALLY quickly.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2012, 04:00:06 AM
On top of that, it only costs about 500,000 CP (total) to max out Noel and Serah's roles, so this issue fixes itself really, REALLY quickly.

500,000 CP / ~300cp a battle = 1,666 battles.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 05, 2012, 04:04:00 AM
On top of that, it only costs about 500,000 CP (total) to max out Noel and Serah's roles, so this issue fixes itself really, REALLY quickly.

500,000 CP / ~300cp a battle = 1,666 battles.
You get boatloads of CP from Fragments and story events. You're never going to be hurting for CP in this game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 05, 2012, 05:54:21 AM
Wait, how do you acquire monsters anyhow?  I just assumed it was like a random drop.  I only seem to get the shitty ones.  Don't have ANY SEN so far, my only MED is the first monster you get in the story, and my whateverthefuckyoucallthem buffers/debuffers are awful and have like 1 spell.  I'm using a COM blob, the starting cat in a floating horn MED, and the started RAV you first got as my monsters still 8 hours in.


Btw, I need to rant on how fucking stupid the localization for XIII and XIII-2 is.  As someone playing the JP version, whenever I try to talk to someone playing the US version it's always confusing because of the job role renames and monster renames and SYNCHRO BAR being FERAL POINT or something.  Almost nothing is a direct translation.  I mean WTF, what ever happened to translating Japanese words and not MAKING UP ENTIRELY NEW ONES INSTEAD.  The Japanese job roles make sense because you can identify what they do from the name: ATTACKER, HEALER, DEFENDER, ENHANCER, JAMMER, the only weird one is BLASTER.  But the US ones are totally stupid.  Blah.

the italian version suffer from this problem too,the medic role is now called therapist but most amusing the MED-MED-MED paradigm is called "anthem to Asclepius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius)" instead of salvation :lol

anyway i finished the first 2 zone's so i don't have too much to say about it so far other than the new crystarium sucks ball
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 05, 2012, 09:59:04 AM
I just made it to the start of chapter 4 and I love it... may even try for the Platinum as long as it doesn't require 80 hours of fighting oretoise for rare drops :P I really love how surreal the plotline is, the different environments you go to, and oh man the music. Only thing I don't like is some places the framerate is terribad.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 05, 2012, 11:33:13 AM
this is...actually pretty good. the combat improvements make the ff13 shit system almost tenable. blessedly, it gives up trying to pretend it has a story early on, and lets you get down to the looting and grinding and unlocking and powering up.

the frame rate (ps3) really is awful, though.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Sho Nuff on February 05, 2012, 12:30:24 PM
I hear that the PS3 and X360 versions look almost identical, which was pretty impressive that they took the time to give a shit.

Man, are they ever abusing Alpha2Coverage to render ALLLL that fabulous feathered hair
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 05, 2012, 01:28:38 PM
Having way more fun with this than FFXIII.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 05, 2012, 01:32:03 PM
Chapter 4 is a little annoying so far:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
having to constantly fight these shitty ghoul enemies in tight, dimly lit corridors, which give you shitty rewards
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but the rest of the zone looks beautiful. Very much like something out of Mass Effect or Deus Ex.

Been pretty much sticking to the main "story" for now, but I'm gonna go back and try and get some of the fragments I missed/100% a few maps. Seems that just going through the main story isn't really that long at all (I've been playing ~13 hours so far), but there's a lot of optional stuff to do.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
I got the Mog Throw so I am revisiting older areas to see what I can do now.

Also make sure you talk to anyone with a bubble... they might have a fragment quest. Even if you cant do it now, it is better to unlock it so when you do come across the item...
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2012, 01:41:07 PM
Yeah, throwing moogles is fun :)

I hear that the PS3 and X360 versions look almost identical, which was pretty impressive that they took the time to give a shit.

Man, are they ever abusing Alpha2Coverage to render ALLLL that fabulous feathered hair

Easy to achieve parity when you lower the bar substantially.  Now the game runs like shit on both systems.

:(

Future of Square 2 year dev cycle
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 02:01:45 PM
lol, I got a Munchkin from the Snowy Bresha Ruins... it is beast
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Rman on February 05, 2012, 02:41:24 PM
this is...actually pretty good. the combat improvements make the ff13 shit system almost tenable. blessedly, it gives up trying to pretend it has a story early on, and lets you get down to the looting and grinding and unlocking and powering up.

the frame rate (ps3) really is awful, though.
I spoiled myself on the story.  Boy, I had trouble even following the write up. 
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 03:20:32 PM
http://www.bit-hive.com/~tomita/FF13-2TL/

For those silly clock puzzles
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2012, 03:55:04 PM
Yeah I saw people spamming that link in the gaf thread.  Sounds bad.  The constellation stuff was already pretty bad in 300AF Oerba.  That place is seriously cursed.  It sucked in XIII and it sucks in every era of XIII-2.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 05, 2012, 04:29:31 PM
Yeah I saw people spamming that link in the gaf thread.  Sounds bad.  The constellation stuff was already pretty bad in 300AF Oerba.  That place is seriously cursed.  It sucked in XIII and it sucks in every era of XIII-2.
The clock puzzles are surprisingly easy once you figure out the gimmick.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 05, 2012, 04:49:33 PM
FFXIII-2 is really good. I heard Tri-Ace was involved in this, maybe the reason why this game actually has gameplay.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
All the puzzles are doodoo. Really out of place. "Oh shit! There's a paradox! Let's solve a puzzle!"
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 05, 2012, 05:16:57 PM
All the puzzles are doodoo. Really out of place. "Oh shit! There's a paradox! Let's solve a puzzle!"

well atleast it HAS puzzles. I am having more fun with this than FFXIII.

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 05, 2012, 06:13:42 PM
mmm... i'm not really sure what to think about this

the first hour is kinda boring,it starts with lightining fighting generic villains and they do their best impressions of emulating a saturday morning cartoon,making stuff explode... screaming attack names.... and such,after that it then becomes mostly about serah whining... "OH LIGHTINING WHERE ARE THOU :'(" which is exactly why i frowned when i learned she would be the main character

after you are done with the intro,the game gets into motion... and the heroes go around traveling in time,one neat thing is that some time periods have more than one exit,so you can decide which path to take... i got my ass kicked by the boss of one timeline so i went to the other and by the time i was done with it,i was strong enough to fight the boss of the previous timeline

the music is kind of sleep inducing and boring,some pieces are also recycled from FF13,the zones are mostly new,they have some forks and such but i don't think it's the huge upgrade all the people that complained about FF13 wanted,some NPC gives you quest but so far the only 2 variety they came from are either super easy fetch quest or killing a special monster

encounter works differently now,monster don't roam anymore and instead just pop at random,when they appear you can attack them for a first strike,getting first strike is super easy now,but you don't get instant-stagger anymore,instead you only get a 20% increase in stagger and autohaste for the first 30 seconds like you were wearing hermes shoes in the original,you also don't get a game over when the leader dies,as long as either serah or noel lives,you are good

i said first that the new crystarium sucks but to be fair,it doesn't take a lot of CP to get all the good skills from a role,you get to keep all the stat upgrades you get from leveling up a job into the other's and the game is pretty generous handling big quantities of them so the fact that new roles skills cost more end up being a non-problem,what really kind of sucks is monster recruiting

there is really barely any difference between monsters,a lot of them are forced either in the ravager or commando role,but of course you only need one of those so you end up gathering tons of useless mon
each of them has trait like "timid" or "aggresive" but i'm not really sure what these do since the game doesn't bother to explain,you can fuse monster together so you can pass skills to each other like "ATK UP %10" but there are a lot of pointless skills ("woohoo! poison resistance!") and the game isn't really clear about who learns what so it's kind of frustating... when you do get a monster with sabouter skills or the like,it only comes with 1 lame spell like bio,making support monster pointless... this also made the first bit of the game harder than it should have because i was hoping to use a medic monster for healing but the only 2 medic monster you can recruit up to where i played completly sucks ball which forced me to rely on potions and such until serah and noel learned the role themselves (seriously make them learn the medic role as soon as you can)

one thing that bother me about the monster is that they each have different stat but they all share their HP in battle,if you bring out a sucky monster with 500 HP and then he gets killed in one hit,the other two monster in your team will be considered dead too even if they had a bajillion of HP

the challenge in this game is weird... either the monster are so weak that you don't even need to bother with staggering or they are so strong they murder you in 2 hits and you can't do anything else other than escaping,the bosses instead hit the right spot more often and so far have been the highlight of the game,though most of the challenge came from the fact that 1) i had no decent medic for a while 2) that "bleeding" rule where you lose max HP is quite some grade A bullshit,at least you can buy potion to regain them back

the time travel plot is also totaly half-assed,they go 300 years in the future,fight some random dude,watch a video and apparently THIS CHANGE THE FUTURE! AND THE PAST! even though it makes absolutely no sense,it's like someone made a bunch of generic plot-lines and then didn't want to bother stringing them together so TIME TRAVEL!

so.... it's good fun when you are killing monsters,wandering around,kicking bosses ass but it could use improvements like better music,better mon management,a more sensible challenge and especialy a better plot since when serah open her mouth and starts pouting for 20 minutes it totaly ruins the pacing of the game

oh and the framerate sucks ass
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 05, 2012, 06:38:40 PM
the music is fine. I don't know what you're talking about. "New Bodhum", which the game starts out with, is a fantastic track.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 05, 2012, 06:54:44 PM
the music is fine. I don't know what you're talking about. "New Bodhum", which the game starts out with, is a fantastic track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm2qDQ2pAmI

bleh,but the biggest offender is the chocobo theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Q3CcCFaHs

it's like they forgot it was supposed to be the chocobo song and then tried to made it up on the road
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 07:26:35 PM
The music can be a bit too Himusona, but the occasional vocal-less ones are good. The Gran Pulse theme is reused and it's still as good as it was then.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 05, 2012, 07:27:51 PM
Uhhh... the regular battle theme is awesome. I fucking love Last Hunters, particularly when the badass-as-fuck guitar and violin solos come in and complement one another.

Groovy Chocobo is also an astoundingly good light jazz track, I was surprised how much I liked it, and the huge nods to the original chocobo theme means they know what they were doing.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 07:56:07 PM
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3475/img0097lp.jpg

smh
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
People still use Image Shack?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Yes... ?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 05, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
I know, how dare Square Enix do DLC
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 05, 2012, 09:31:41 PM
For a game of blackjack? :lol

I think that STI has gone to your brain.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
Apparently the ending blows hard.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2012, 09:47:02 PM
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3475/img0097lp.jpg

smh

Haven't seen in-game DLC promotion that shameless since Dragon Age.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 05, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
For a game of blackjack? :lol

I think that STI has gone to your brain.

And your complaints are getting stupider.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 06, 2012, 12:40:59 AM
Apparently the ending blows hard.

Don't really care. The game is a blast to play.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Himu on February 06, 2012, 02:39:04 AM
Apparently the ending blows hard.

The ending owns.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 06, 2012, 05:34:52 AM
is the game really short? I am having fun so far and it would suck if it ends too soon.

also the music kind of blows so far.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 06, 2012, 07:34:13 AM
Apparently the ending blows hard.

Quote
In the ending of Final Fantasy XIII-2, the game will display "To be continued...." after the credits, this is a reminder to players that the game has multiple endings, and the story will be extended in future through download content

:duh :duh :duh
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Damian79 on February 06, 2012, 08:41:30 AM
is the game really short? I am having fun so far and it would suck if it ends too soon.

also the music kind of blows so far.

The music is absolutely terrible.  Had to stop becasue the music was so bad.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 06, 2012, 09:16:40 AM
I love the music so far. Would you guys have preferred a Sakuraba dial-a-soundtrack or something?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Damian79 on February 06, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
I love the music so far. Would you guys have preferred a Sakuraba dial-a-soundtrack or something?

Yeah i would.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 06, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
I love the music so far. Would you guys have preferred a Sakuraba dial-a-soundtrack or something?
I'm waiting until they get to when The Ruler of Time and Space and all the other awesome orchestral pieces play. Fucking epic as shit. Best OST in the series.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2012, 01:49:29 PM
The vocal music is kind of bad, but it's not too offensive.  Just very generic.  The vocalist they got for all the vocal songs is not good.  Non-vocal stuff is alright.

Not the best ost in the series, not the worst.  XIII's soundtrack was better.


I never knew ZephyrFate worked for Square until this thread.

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 06, 2012, 01:56:42 PM
The vocal music is kind of bad, but it's not too offensive.  Just very generic.  The vocalist they got for all the vocal songs is not good.  Non-vocal stuff is alright.

Not the best ost in the series, not the worst.  XIII's soundtrack was better.


I never knew ZephyrFate worked for Square until this thread.
If I did, I wouldn't have absolutely hated FF12.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 06, 2012, 02:15:51 PM
I never knew ZephyrFate worked for Square until this thread.

lol, shit's shameful.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 06, 2012, 02:19:06 PM
I never knew ZephyrFate worked for Square until this thread.

lol, shit's shameful.
lol ok
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 06, 2012, 02:36:49 PM
The vocal music is kind of bad, but it's not too offensive.  Just very generic.  The vocalist they got for all the vocal songs is not good.

You don't like Origa? She also did stuff for Turn A Gundam and GitS Stand Alone Complex. I think her songs in FFXIII-2 are great.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 06, 2012, 02:43:01 PM
At least the soundtrack isn't Shimomura. I don't think I've liked a soundtrack by her since Live A Live.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2012, 02:44:40 PM
The vocal music is kind of bad, but it's not too offensive.  Just very generic.  The vocalist they got for all the vocal songs is not good.

You don't like Origa? She also did stuff for Turn A Gundam and GitS Stand Alone Complex. I think her songs in FFXIII-2 are great.

I don't think her stuff here is that great.  The song in Oerba AF300 is grating and the New Bodhium song is pretty meh.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2012, 02:45:06 PM
At least the soundtrack isn't Shimomura. I don't think I've liked a soundtrack by her since Live A Live.

Kingdom Hearts games?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 06, 2012, 02:59:18 PM
Needs less of everyone else and more Hamauzu

Sigma Harmonics is yee yee
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 06, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
The vocal music is kind of bad, but it's not too offensive.  Just very generic.  The vocalist they got for all the vocal songs is not good.

You don't like Origa? She also did stuff for Turn A Gundam and GitS Stand Alone Complex. I think her songs in FFXIII-2 are great.

I don't think her stuff here is that great.  The song in Oerba AF300 is grating and the New Bodhium song is pretty meh.
The only thing she sings weirdly is the Oerba song and Historia Crux. New Bodhum is one of the best town tracks I've heard.

TIME

AND

SPACE

TIME

AND

SPACE

ugh.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 06, 2012, 07:35:32 PM
academya is a hot shit zone,what's with the whole futuristic city setting and actualy the only piece of music i actualy noticed so far,bet it was supposed to be a zone of FFXIII :smug
also i want to punch whoever came up with the achievements in this game... i have 149/1000 points which totaly ruins my usual count,why the fuck there are achievements that give 14 or 16 points? :maf
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 06, 2012, 08:45:53 PM
I'm playing on PS3 but I fucking hate hate hate that DJ Hero 2 fucked up my multiple-of-5 gamerscore :P

Had to get that game because I pretty much needed this achievement:http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/dj-hero-2/achievement/43023-World-Number-One.html (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/dj-hero-2/achievement/43023-World-Number-One.html)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 06, 2012, 08:55:03 PM
Meh, this game is an easy 1000 so it's not a big deal.

Something like Goldeneye or Infinite Undiscovery are doodoo examples.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 12:48:44 AM
Got to the Serendipity Casino World.

Card game "To be unlocked with future downloadable content." :lol
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 07, 2012, 01:14:07 AM
That's probably Sazh's DLC. In some interview the guy said Sazh's little adventure - and why he disappeared - is because he wound up in Serendipity and "escaped thanks to a chance draw"
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 07, 2012, 07:51:48 AM
(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-t8C4nnx/0/L/i-t8C4nnx-L.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2012, 12:30:58 PM
Hey, that's my medic!  :lol
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 01:49:21 PM
Hey, that's my medic!  :lol

Same here. Is there much benefit to using other monsters? I'm on episode 4 and I've only buffed up Cait Sith (medic) and that Zerg Scandroid (ravager) thing.
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Post by: demi on February 07, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
You want a Sentinel for boss fights, Rav for setting up the chain, Com for when Stagger, and Medic for obvious reasons

You can get a Flanitor at Augusta Tower, they are better than that shitty cat.
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Post by: tiesto on February 07, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
Hey, that's my medic!  :lol

Same here. Is there much benefit to using other monsters? I'm on episode 4 and I've only buffed up Cait Sith (medic) and that Zerg Scandroid (ravager) thing.

I really like this one synergist monster I have called Gahongas - his Feral Link fully buffs up my party.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 03:10:50 PM
This is probably the only part of FFXIII-2 I'm not a fan of. I don't desire Pokemon OCD management. Just give me a third party member.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2012, 03:52:40 PM
i have some fuckin' robot commando that has like 3000 hp and tanks the fuck out, and i switch to some plant medic during boss fights. demi's approach is overkill; this game isn't hard enough to care about managing pokeymans
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Post by: SantaC on February 07, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
the monster having high HP is useless if your characters die though. Too bad that there is game over when your chars die but the monster is still alive.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2012, 04:03:51 PM
i don't think i've come close to dying in 10 hours of play, i was unaware that having a main character die = game over!
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Post by: MrAngryFace on February 07, 2012, 04:15:18 PM
I think if I had to throw away one thing from FF13 games in general, its the battle rank. You can win a fight, then get three stars- then youre just like 'I suck even though I won wtf'
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 04:37:05 PM
i have some fuckin' robot commando that has like 3000 hp and tanks the fuck out, and i switch to some plant medic during boss fights. demi's approach is overkill; this game isn't hard enough to care about managing pokeymans

I haven't had to resort to "you-put-the-pokey-in-the-manz!" strategy yet. The first few monsters I acquired have done the trick alongside Noel and Serah acting as different roles.
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Post by: magus on February 07, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
Hey, that's my medic!  :lol

Same here. Is there much benefit to using other monsters? I'm on episode 4 and I've only buffed up Cait Sith (medic) and that Zerg Scandroid (ravager) thing.

i've been using a gremlin and a robot which i can't remember the name... the robot maxed out at level 20 but got around 1800 HP and 170 ATK,the gremlin got the same amount of HP and around 400 magic attack... seriously why i should ever collect other ravager monster when i have one with a huge attack and one of the most usefull skills in ATB charge?

Quote
i don't think i've come close to dying in 10 hours of play, i was unaware that having a main character die = game over!

if a main character die,you just switch to the other,you only game over if they both die... as for game over,i got a few of them but it was mostly because i ended up being in the wrong timeline or against some bosses before putting some CP into medic (since the cat medic sucks big time)
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Post by: demi on February 07, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
Everyone says the last boss and the side-monsters can be pretty tough. I don't think what I'm doing is overkill...
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Post by: MrAngryFace on February 07, 2012, 07:21:49 PM
Playing this for a few hours got me back into my TRUE FF passion- Dissidia ;P
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Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2012, 07:35:57 PM
i have some fuckin' robot commando that has like 3000 hp and tanks the fuck out, and i switch to some plant medic during boss fights. demi's approach is overkill; this game isn't hard enough to care about managing pokeymans

Sounds like the dude I have.  From the AI tower thing?

i don't think i've come close to dying in 10 hours of play, i was unaware that having a main character die = game over!

I died a couple of times on Kaius in Oerba 300 and I've had a few battles where I needed to use restart/items (first time fighting behemoths, some other stuff).

I think the difficulty is just right.  I don't feel it's too easy, but I also don't think you need hardcore strategy outside of the boss fights.  I just wish the fights were a little quicker (and this is with 5 star-ing most).  They're pretty fast yet sometimes they feel like a grind.  I felt the same way about XIII.
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Post by: ZephyrFate on February 07, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS7BM5b0A6Y

mother of god the final boss battle themes...
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 07, 2012, 07:52:22 PM
Doesnt sound any diff from 13. Opera final boss theme.
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Post by: ZephyrFate on February 07, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qyavbSmxW4

They both use choirs but they couldn't be more different. Plus XIII-2 has THREE final boss themes.

XIII-2's sounds way, way more fucking awesome.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 07, 2012, 09:11:58 PM
I think you said that about 3 times now.
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Post by: demi on February 08, 2012, 09:26:33 AM
Casino achievement(s) and related fragments = doo doo to the max
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Post by: SantaC on February 08, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
this game is amazing.

Squeenix redeemed?

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Post by: ZephyrFate on February 08, 2012, 12:40:27 PM
this game is amazing.

Squeenix redeemed?
Indeed.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 08, 2012, 12:52:36 PM
They pretty much get to the point in Chapter 5 which is pretty funny how much BS you have to go through to get there.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 08, 2012, 05:30:44 PM
How do you know what chapter youre on? I see no mentions of chapters.
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Post by: demi on February 08, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
How do you know what chapter youre on? I see no mentions of chapters.

The save file. It also does a panoramic shot of the episode at the start. "Episode 3: Hope in my boypussy"

Chapter 5 is after you give the Graviton Cores.
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Post by: demi on February 08, 2012, 10:48:30 PM
The casino achievement is soooooooooooooo doodoo

But I got the lucky coin fragment... just need this stupid achievement
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Post by: ZephyrFate on February 08, 2012, 11:56:07 PM
lol @ the framerate in Odin vs Bahamut fight. Sub 10 fps?

Game is amazing otherwise. Omaha Beach moment opening a f-ing HD town (village) with lots of VO, mini-quests and just stuff to do. Graphics when looking at the small details are worse than in FF13 but the levels seem much larger and the draw distance is just nuts.

Meanie Miss Faron, Meanie Miss Faron... - that's a Final Fantasy Scene alright.

So we search for Lighting now, just like we did for Tidus in X-2? Wow, how original Square.
It is BEYOND different. In X-2 you have barely any idea if Tidus is still alive; in this game you know Lightning is still around.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 09, 2012, 02:41:48 AM
This game.

This fucking game.

so awesome
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 09, 2012, 12:41:06 PM
This game.

This fucking game.

so awesome

How awesome? Soo awesome.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 09, 2012, 01:14:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn5dHmirZSY#t=3m10s

Kenshiro's 100 Fist Crack from Fist of the North Star is in the game, if you didnt know

GOTY

(pick up a Flanbanero)
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Post by: demi on February 09, 2012, 11:41:40 PM
Fuck the slots... just do the Chocobo method... I set up my Silver Chocobo with the right parts in about an hour or two. Gonna do one last slots run during bed then just race tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 10, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
bad OST but good gameplay. I agree on that.
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Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2012, 04:06:04 PM
What's the sentiment on this game now that people have gotten further into it?  On GAF I'm seeing a lot of hate for the game.  Is it a bad rpg or a good one?  I've enjoyed the dozen hours I've put in for chapters 1-3.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 10, 2012, 04:13:15 PM
I just got to episode 5 last night. I've found it to be pretty easy, but it's really an awesome game.
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Post by: demi on February 10, 2012, 04:36:15 PM
What's the sentiment on this game now that people have gotten further into it?  On GAF I'm seeing a lot of hate for the game.  Is it a bad rpg or a good one?  I've enjoyed the dozen hours I've put in for chapters 1-3.

It's super easy - even moreso if you take the time to do a sidquest or two - but it's a fun ride. There's an achievement for getting Level 99 for all jobs so I'm not even butthurt over overpowering myself.

I've even come across some enemies that flexed my hole. There is this Cieth similiar to that one enemy in 13, with the sword, just wandering around Archlyte Steppe when it is windy, as a regular enemy.
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Post by: ZephyrFate on February 10, 2012, 08:21:11 PM
What's the sentiment on this game now that people have gotten further into it?  On GAF I'm seeing a lot of hate for the game.  Is it a bad rpg or a good one?  I've enjoyed the dozen hours I've put in for chapters 1-3.
Depends on where you go. People on SA and Penny-Arcade are loving it, GAF users are dumb as hell.

I'd definitely say it's a good RPG.
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Post by: SantaC on February 11, 2012, 01:04:34 AM
What's the sentiment on this game now that people have gotten further into it?  On GAF I'm seeing a lot of hate for the game.  Is it a bad rpg or a good one?  I've enjoyed the dozen hours I've put in for chapters 1-3.

if gaf hates it then it must be good.
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Post by: demi on February 11, 2012, 01:38:48 AM
A lot of the late monsters are pretty anus flexing. And I have about 2 jobs maxed.
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Post by: SantaC on February 11, 2012, 04:50:47 AM
LOL @ 5/10 from EDGE
Wtf...

What did FF13 get?
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Post by: demi on February 11, 2012, 04:55:27 AM
Easily the best ending ever... just beat it

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Final boss fight is leagues better than Orphan too
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Post by: SantaC on February 11, 2012, 07:31:43 AM
Easily the best ending ever... just beat it

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Final boss fight is leagues better than Orphan too

GOOD to hear
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Post by: tiesto on February 11, 2012, 11:52:43 AM
:piss clock puzzles :piss2

Some of the sidequest-y stuff is pretty lame, like the fetch quests over yet-another-Yascha's Massive-paletteswap. Went back and collected a lot of fragments I missed (some of which I don't know how the hell you were supposed to find without a guide). Now on to the Augusta Tower 400AF.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 11, 2012, 12:00:43 PM
meh the fetch quests are still better than xenoblades kill X monster.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on February 11, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Easily the best ending ever... just beat it

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Final boss fight is leagues better than Orphan too

And now I'm fucking hyped again.

(Currently in Bresha ruins, doing the same crap I've already done and seen 10s of times :yuck)

How would you rate the game, demi?
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Post by: SantaC on February 11, 2012, 05:58:58 PM
wow that clock puzzle...ugh

other than minor annoyances, this is a good rpg. Atleast you dont have to play it in a straight line.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 11, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
Easily the best ending ever... just beat it

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Final boss fight is leagues better than Orphan too

And now I'm fucking hyped again.

(Currently in Bresha ruins, doing the same crap I've already did and seen 10s of times :yuck)

How would you rate the game, demi?

Much better than 13, though I hope the sequel to this sequel (or DLC? I dunno)  has an actual cast of characters : (
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Post by: SantaC on February 11, 2012, 06:11:18 PM
Easily the best ending ever... just beat it

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Final boss fight is leagues better than Orphan too

And now I'm fucking hyped again.

(Currently in Bresha ruins, doing the same crap I've already did and seen 10s of times :yuck)

How would you rate the game, demi?

Much better than 13, though I hope the sequel to this sequel (or DLC? I dunno)  has an actual cast of characters : (

when is the DLC coming out?
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Post by: demi on February 11, 2012, 08:39:12 PM
lol, I just ran through all the bonus monsters on easy mode. I'm just rushing to get the 1000.
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Post by: ZephyrFate on February 12, 2012, 02:01:06 AM
(http://livedoor.3.blogimg.jp/jin115/imgs/4/c/4c983fe5.jpg)

for himu
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Post by: demi on February 12, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
yesssssssssss 1000
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 12, 2012, 11:10:52 AM
How is the game overall?  Is it better or worse than XIII?
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Post by: demi on February 12, 2012, 11:17:55 AM
I answered that already above.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 12, 2012, 01:49:25 PM
lol i have to quote amir0x (always disliked that guy) shitty opinion on gaf:

Quote
FFXIII-2 sounds about right, the game so far feels like someone is gnawing on my ballsac. Every torturous second I proceed feels like an eternity, slowly slicing years off my life without me even realizing it. Listening to moogle's voice is something equivalent to gouging my eyes out I'm sure. Noel and pretty much every character encountered is abysmally written tripe not out of place in some Trekkie freaks' Captain Kirk/Picard 'bi-curious' fanfiction.

Edge rates on the entire scale though, so realistically FFXIII-2 should be a 2 out of 10. Amalur should be a 7/10 on their scale, good game.

wtf how is the story worse than any other FF, none is good  :lol

also, the battle system is definitely not dumbed down with all the different monsters and their abilities.
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Post by: Positive Touch on February 12, 2012, 05:25:06 PM
yesssssssssss 1000

so how much do you have to grind?
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Post by: demi on February 12, 2012, 06:01:24 PM
Zero
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Post by: Positive Touch on February 12, 2012, 10:19:17 PM
well i like that!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 12, 2012, 10:44:09 PM
You have to grind if you want to fuck with monsters - you can make some badass creations if you wanted - or if you want to create weapons, which requires drops from the stronger enemies. But you can get by with just the Fragment weapon (Chaos Crystal), which gains more strength as you collect Fragments.
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Post by: SantaC on February 13, 2012, 03:39:15 AM
Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine in the deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep skyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space
Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space
Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space
Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space
Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space
Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space
Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space
Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space Time and Space


Jesus, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

This game is AMAZING.

So I can go now and visit 4 *new* locations:

Bresha Ruins 300AF
Yaschas Massif 01XAF
The Archlyte Steppe
Coliseum

4 new locations! In any order I want to! Is this a FF13 game? I cannot believe it. Unbelievable.

Square!!!

Why didn't you make FF12-2. You sad fucks...

yeah atleast they listended on the linear criticism. I am having really fun.

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 13, 2012, 05:26:31 AM
you visit bresha ruins like 3 times but people instead of having problem with that are like.... OMG I CAN PICK TWO WHOLE DESTINATION WHICH WILL LEAD ME TO THE SAME PLACE IN THE END ANYWAY

:duh
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Post by: tiesto on February 13, 2012, 08:28:05 AM
Just beat both of the Vile Peaks and about to jump into Chapter 5... have to catch up doing the Casino stuff too, building up a Silver Chocobo.

That Monster Hunt fragment looks like it's gonna be a beeyotch to get.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 13, 2012, 09:03:48 AM
It's not
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 13, 2012, 02:41:13 PM
Easily the best ending ever... just beat it

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Final boss fight is leagues better than Orphan too

That's good to hear. Orphan was stupid.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 13, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
Got to the part in episode 5 with
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Vanille and Fang, and learning about Noel's past with Caius.
[close]

How much more is left?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 13, 2012, 07:32:30 PM
A bit more. Academia 500 is the final area.

Did you like Noel's Theme? Probably my favorite song, given the setting.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 14, 2012, 09:00:10 AM
http://www.bit-hive.com/~tomita/FF13-2TL/
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 14, 2012, 09:23:28 AM
F U C K Clock Puzzles. It's trial and error. Spend 20 minutes yesterday "solving" the one in Yacshas Mastiff, solved by chance.

Gaddam at Archylte Steppe.

Grass in my Final Fantasy game?

change the weather to storm and you'll get owned by attacus clones :P
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 15, 2012, 03:02:07 AM
Sazh DLC 2/28 for about $6/400 MS points
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 15, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Maxed out Flanitor is awesome. On to endgame of episode 6.
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Post by: maxy on February 16, 2012, 02:24:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hBAta.jpg)
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Post by: Vizzys on February 16, 2012, 02:43:06 AM
 :uguu
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 16, 2012, 04:31:01 AM
so, how does this enhanced mog throw work?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 16, 2012, 04:18:30 PM
Took me 23 hours to get to the endgame fight. I think I died once when running into a Behemoth while being low-leveled. Also, I'm not getting how people don't understand the plot, it's very straightforward.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 16, 2012, 04:33:32 PM
This awesome game is too short
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Post by: tiesto on February 16, 2012, 05:21:05 PM
I actually appreciate the concise length, especially as 12 and 13 were waaaay too long with major pacing issues.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 17, 2012, 01:25:22 AM
So.... about that ending...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Whoops.

Hopefully its resolved with some DLC and not XIII-3.
[close]
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 17, 2012, 02:00:32 AM
I would've played it the same way if the baby didn't come 11 days early. I don't have RPG OCD. No offense meant. I did a few side things but I tend to play through the single-player storyline. My backlog is so fucking massive that I don't have time to do every single thing in every game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 17, 2012, 07:32:16 AM
Enjoy wasting your time.
Title: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on February 17, 2012, 09:12:37 PM
I'm not sure if this has been communicated yet or not, but gatdam this game is actually fun. Wut?!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 17, 2012, 11:07:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKmZ7Uw76qI

so awesome.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 17, 2012, 11:54:53 PM
I'm not sure if this has been communicated yet or not, but gatdam this game is actually fun. Wut?!

TONS OF FUN.

Seriously, I had more fun with XIII-2 than XIII. And I liked XIII!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 19, 2012, 03:20:44 PM
Can you continue playing after you beat the game?

Yep! You're able to keep playing and unlock everything else.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 19, 2012, 05:08:07 PM
called it. great game!
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 20, 2012, 08:42:20 AM
Beat it (with 0 stars :-\ ), did all the paradox endings... still some more to do before I platinum:

-get slot machine fragment
-beat Long Gui and Yomi
-Monster Collector fragment
-max levels trophy (almost there!)
-99999 damage trophy
-10000 steps on Chocobo trophy (should be easy just time consuming)
-100 preemptive attacks trophy (any way to speed this up?)
-capture Don Tonberry trophy
-5star end guy trophy
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 20, 2012, 09:03:39 AM
havent been able to play much lately, but this is the most fun i had with a game in years.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 20, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
havent been able to play much lately, but this is the most fun i had with a game in years.

It's got a few issues here and there (mainly relating to the difficulty curve and a few ill-conceived minigames/areas) but this is probably the best FF I've played since 9. I'd like to think it's due to the tri-Ace involvement.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 20, 2012, 10:19:35 AM
Beat it (with 0 stars :-\ ), did all the paradox endings... still some more to do before I platinum:

-get slot machine fragment
Rubberband

-beat Long Gui and Yomi
Just set to Easy Mode, but they're easy regardless

-Monster Collector fragment
Easy, use a list

-max levels trophy (almost there!)
Easy

-99999 damage trophy
Long Gui, equip Odinblade + Power Wristbands, Stagger, beat the shit out of it, then use Meteor Javelin

-10000 steps on Chocobo trophy (should be easy just time consuming)
Run in a circle, if you have the speed time skill it goes even quicker

-100 preemptive attacks trophy (any way to speed this up?)
Do a preemptive attack, then hit Retry, rinse and repeat

-capture Don Tonberry trophy
Easy, equip fragment skills, use feral links

-5star end guy trophy
lol easy - it counts the fight form, not all the shit prior
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 20, 2012, 11:23:47 AM
Thanks boo  :-*
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 20, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
You're also missing the Raspatil achievement (beat Raspatil) - requires Normal Mode

Tackle that one last when you're maxed out.


Also I meant the FINAL form, not the fights prior
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Trent Dole on February 20, 2012, 07:02:22 PM
ME costume for Noel incoming, apparently...
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/02/20/final-fantasy-xiii-2-x-mass-effect-collaboration-in-the-works/
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 20, 2012, 10:43:00 PM
Alright, how in gods name do you beat
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Caius in the Void Beyond in the Paradox Ending
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?

Guy is kicking my ass, I can't do nearly enough damage to him before he restores all his HP and then buffs himself. My Serah is almost maxed out, also using a max Silver Chocobo (SEN) and max Gold Chocobo (COM), also equipped with the Odinbow (with 152 or so fragments).
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 21, 2012, 11:03:02 AM
Alright, how in gods name do you beat
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Caius in the Void Beyond in the Paradox Ending
[close]
?

Guy is kicking my ass, I can't do nearly enough damage to him before he restores all his HP and then buffs himself. My Serah is almost maxed out, also using a max Silver Chocobo (SEN) and max Gold Chocobo (COM), also equipped with the Odinbow (with 152 or so fragments).

Real way: Use SEN to keep him busy, start battle with SEN/SEN cause he will attack Serah immediately. Then use SAB/SEN and Poison him, Imperil, then RAV/SEN to build up stagger. Chances are he will reset it which is annoying.

Easy way: Set it to Easy Mode and kick his ass
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 22, 2012, 12:33:30 PM
490/1000

5* last boss like it was nothing.

Still have 2 roles to max out. Funny how you can simply buy the best weapon (Odinblade). 105/160 fragments collected.

Game rox :rock

It's not the best weapon. But it's the best easily accessible weapon.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 22, 2012, 03:23:54 PM
I took the hits, healing with items and magic, until he sucked them back up.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 22, 2012, 03:45:46 PM
I think it's random, but I could be wrong

Maybe he spits them out based on what he absorbs.

Try just pumping your people up. Get dat chichu.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 22, 2012, 05:05:36 PM
Think I'm just gonna set the game on Easy to power through all the tough boss challenges just to get my plat. Should hopefully get lots of time Sat and Sun to play, as long as I make my goal of platinum-ing it before Mass Effect 3.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 23, 2012, 01:52:34 AM
You're also a dumbass. You don't win any awards for doing it with pen and paper. lol.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on February 23, 2012, 10:16:58 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462028

Look at all those losers whining about FF13-2. Over 1000 posts of pure bile. Reminds me of magus. Yuck.

gaf has shit taste, news at 11.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 23, 2012, 10:30:15 AM
Don't be a pussy, mang.

I did all the Oerba Time Clock puzzles without using a guide and only used pen and paper for that one pictured above.

I did them all by trial and error, myself... guess we're both a bunch of stubborn Polacks :P

I beat Long Gui on normal but had to dial the difficulty down for Serah vs Caius paradox scope battle, and I got very close to beating Yomi like 3 times before I dialed it down b/c I was getting sick of fighting :P Sucks you can't do that for Rasptail, but I'm 1 level away from maxing out Noel/Serah so hopefully by that time I can just breeze through that battle.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 23, 2012, 05:35:00 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462028

Look at all those losers whining about FF13-2. Over 1000 posts of pure bile. Reminds me of magus. Yuck.

:-*
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 23, 2012, 09:10:41 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462028

Look at all those losers whining about FF13-2. Over 1000 posts of pure bile. Reminds me of magus. Yuck.
It's funny just how wrong most of GAF is about this game.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 02:57:54 PM
You can poison it.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 28, 2012, 08:22:34 AM
Anyone grabbing the Sazh DLC today?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 28, 2012, 10:16:50 AM
I beat him with the Fragment Weapons, all I had was STR increase on Noel, and some Magic stuff on Serah. I used Chichu, Silver Chocobo, and some Ravager Mud Frog. I didnt farm any Traps or do anything unnecessary.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 28, 2012, 11:31:52 AM
Yeah, I didn't really have much of a problem with Rasptail - maxed out party, a Gold Bangle on Serah and some Power Bangles for Noel, a Silver Chocobo (SEN), Gold Chocobo (COM) and Yakshini (SYN).

-start the round with SAB/SAB/SYN, try to inflict Deshell and Imperil on Rasptail
-ignore Wladislaus (sounds like a Polish name haha), though kill the Vampires if they get summoned
-build up stagger meter with RAV/RAV/whatever
-if he does Aleph Zero, shift to Tortoise (SEN/SEN/SEN)
-Combat Clinic (MED/MED/SEN) if necessary
-when staggered, switch to COM/COM/COM

I had much much much more trouble with Serah vs Caius Paradox Scope fight, even at max level (had to switch to Easy  :-\)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on February 28, 2012, 11:41:46 AM
Also make all your Paradigms the Wide version so your characters cast the bigger variants. I kept spamming Ruinga.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 28, 2012, 11:14:36 PM
Finally got this goddamn Lucky Coin fragment! Just gotta get the 99999 dmg, and then 5 star the end boss and get the "secret ending". Hopefully I'll have that done by tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on February 29, 2012, 08:34:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yema3Gd620w

minigames not included for dirty poors :smug
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 29, 2012, 12:51:21 PM
How is the Sazh DLC? Just card games?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on February 29, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
Basically, but Chronobind, the original game included, is the best minigame since Chocobo H&C in the series. So addictive.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on February 29, 2012, 10:01:20 PM
Got my Platinum!!! Now to just finish reading the datalog/fragment datalogs and then run through Sazh's DLC and it's time to pack this up.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on March 01, 2012, 08:52:33 AM
Go for the 99999 one after getting 160 fragments and the Odinblade, and equip 4 Durable Power Bangles on Noel. Then when the Long Gui is staggered and deprotected, use Meteor Javelin and the 99999s will flow like wine.

Can't really help you with the casino one, just make sure you are playing the slots when the girl is like "It's a hot summer's day!". And if you can help it, play manually when you are in Victory/Super Victory mode. I got like 2 jackpots in a row and wondered why the hell I wasn't getting the fragment - turns out I already had it (probably when I left it on autoplay and went to take a poop).

For the Serendipitous one, play the Chocobo Racing with a maxed out Silver Chocobo infused with the Pulsework Gladiator (I think that's the one) to give him "second wind" till you get it.

Do you have the fragment skill that enables monster capture easier? That should help with the Don Tonberry.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on March 01, 2012, 09:09:36 AM
You need to win 7,777 coins in slots (not at once) to get the fragment.

Then you need to earn 10,000 in profit in general. Just breed the Silver Chocobo up and race for a couple hours.

The 10,000 is confusing to understand, but just start at a set number (ex. 5,000) and don't spend a single coin until you reach 10,000 more (ex. 15,000)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Freyj on March 02, 2012, 10:51:34 PM
Playing this for the first time in a week or so and Academia 400 AF is making me want to put it down for another week.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on March 02, 2012, 11:07:36 PM
That's really the only doodoo point. Get through it and you'll never have to do it again, unless you're going for the fragments.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Freyj on March 02, 2012, 11:16:06 PM
That's really the only doodoo point. Get through it and you'll never have to do it again, unless you're going for the fragments.

I normally wouldn't, but I really like fragment hunting  :(
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 04, 2012, 12:53:43 AM
So I haven't booted up the game in while, and today I was prompted to download patch 1.04. Does it fix anything or does it basically set the game for DLCs?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on March 04, 2012, 03:23:42 PM
140 fragments, i tried 2 hours taming a proto behemoth. is there any skill to easier tame monsters?
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on March 04, 2012, 03:26:28 PM
Yes, except I'm not even sure you can tame the Proto Behemoth
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 04, 2012, 03:33:22 PM
140 fragments, i tried 2 hours taming a proto behemoth. is there any skill to easier tame monsters?
Look in your bestiary or in the Librascope menu to see if you can actually tame it.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on March 04, 2012, 03:35:04 PM
Yes, except I'm not even sure you can tame the Proto Behemoth

it's tamable commando.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on March 04, 2012, 03:41:08 PM
Well, activate the skill that makes it easier to capture. As well as killing it with a Feral Link
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on March 04, 2012, 03:49:09 PM
heh i just got it. This game is so addicting. I played 5 hours in last story and went right back to ff13-2.

Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: SantaC on March 05, 2012, 11:13:59 AM
this game is a nice comeback for squeenix. There is only one thing wrong though, and it is too short.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: tiesto on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
The 99999 dmg achievement was very tricksy.

Odinblade, 1200 strength and Long Gui. Deprotect, Imperil, Deshell, Enaero, 999% Stagger and Meteor Javelin did NOT cut it. I had to throw a Behemoth in my party cause I remembered his FL gives you Bravery and Faith.

With Bravery and Faith plus all the debilitations listed above 99999 were flowing like wine plus he dropped Ribbon AND Adamntite! Talk about LUCKY STRIKE!

Did you have the Cerberus paradigm active? You get str bonuses if you are using all 3 COM iirc.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: magus on March 05, 2012, 05:00:32 PM
Quote
Eat shit, magoose

too busy playing dark souls to care about this lame game :smug
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 05, 2012, 05:21:42 PM
No one cares
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 05, 2012, 05:53:07 PM
Did you have the Cerberus paradigm active? You get str bonuses if you are using all 3 COM iirc.

Wait, certain paradigm configurations give team bonuses? I'm only aware of role bonuses to individuals.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on March 05, 2012, 06:23:56 PM
Only Borys could care about something as irrelevant as taming all the monsters. There's nothing to "get" - polack. The game is easy, the DLC is shameful, and Academia 400 is garbage.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 05, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
Only Borys could care about something as irrelevant as taming all the monsters. There's nothing to "get" - polack. The game is easy, the DLC is shameful, and Academia 400 is garbage.
Despite being the most gorgeous environment in the series.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on March 05, 2012, 07:38:02 PM
4xx? Sure
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 05, 2012, 08:15:53 PM
4xx? Sure
All versions of Academia are awesome. Red and black Academia filled with monsters looks insanely great, and regular Academia is straight out of Blade Runner with some added sunlight. Final dungeon Academia has trippy textures and a wonderful aesthetic.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: demi on March 05, 2012, 08:18:31 PM
You jump on blocks.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 05, 2012, 08:20:09 PM
You jump on blocks.
That are fucking insanely cool looking.
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 21, 2012, 04:15:09 PM
(http://andriasang.com/con0cs/images/23uc1/full.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 21, 2012, 04:41:28 PM
omg  :o
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 23, 2012, 11:43:47 PM
Oh my god please don't tell me that's the 13-2 version of Ultros
Title: Re: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 23, 2012, 11:47:11 PM
It is literally a HD version of FF6 ultros. they are identicaL.