THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: demi on February 19, 2012, 08:56:23 PM

Title: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 19, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
So... I'm pretty hype for this. I hear it's not Xenoblade, which was pretty fucking awesome. But I feel like this could be just as good.

Comes out this week, import/internet store exclusive.
Title: Re: The Last Story
Post by: Himu on February 19, 2012, 08:57:46 PM
PUMP.

Gimme full details, demi-chan.
Title: Re: The Last Story
Post by: Tasty on February 19, 2012, 09:01:51 PM
Oscar said it wasn't any good.
Title: Re: The Last Story
Post by: magus on February 19, 2012, 09:01:58 PM
i've already played 2 not-so good mistwalker game and my wii is currently plugged off and i still have to bitch about FF13-2

so i'll pass
Title: Re: The Last Story
Post by: Himu on February 19, 2012, 09:24:06 PM
Magus doesn't like blue dragon and lost odyssey? Why am I not surprised
Title: Re: The Last Story
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 19, 2012, 11:14:02 PM
I heard it was a DudeBro-Gears Of War version of Final Fantasy as seen through Gooch's eyes.
Title: Re: The Last Story
Post by: Bebpo on February 20, 2012, 03:08:48 AM
It's kind of bad.  Playable and sort of fun for the short length but terrible story, shallow combat, super linear corridor slasher and really short with AI/camera/control problems.  It's not terrible, but it's like totally 6.5/10 and the bad guy looks like Ganon.
Title: Re: The Last Story
Post by: iconoclast on February 20, 2012, 04:59:32 AM
Can you use the classic controller? I'll give it a shot if it runs well on Dolphin.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 22, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
XSEED bringing it over
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: cool breeze on February 22, 2012, 10:58:45 AM
Xseed means it's not exclusively sold by Gamestop or Nintendo, right?

Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 22, 2012, 12:31:38 PM
Well it's up to the retailers to buy the product. And XSEED is pretty niche as is. So you'll probably only find it at GameStop. But you wil be able to buy it at Amazon. lol
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 23, 2012, 08:52:08 AM
I got it last night... will start playing after work.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 24, 2012, 09:25:15 PM
This game's battle, upgrade, and everything system is hella confusing...

Right now I'd easily pick Xenoblade
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: MCD on February 25, 2012, 06:51:10 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35456812&postcount=7525
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: SantaC on February 25, 2012, 10:08:23 AM
This game's battle, upgrade, and everything system is hella confusing...

Right now I'd easily pick Xenoblade

yeah, i am not feeling this game so far. I am still very early though.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 11:21:43 AM
This game is really easy. I'm just grinding one spot, and the game just lets you keep doing this over and over. I think I'm playing the game wrong.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on February 25, 2012, 12:40:43 PM
No, it's just really easy :P
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 02:11:44 PM
How many chapters?
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on February 25, 2012, 04:04:59 PM
Don't remember.  Game is about 10-20 hours long.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
Well... nothing's exactly happened yet, and I'm around Chapter 17 or so. Just got beat to shit in the trial.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on February 25, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
Just checked.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
40 chapters
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Though about 10 can be missed.  I'd recommend using a faq tbh.  The game has tons of stuff you can miss with short windows to activate them.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 06:00:11 PM
Meh, this game hasnt been interesting enough to harbor interest in sidequests. You guys had it right, this is a bit of a stinker.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on February 25, 2012, 06:19:39 PM
Yeah, I didn't bother with most of the sidequests.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Trent Dole on February 25, 2012, 06:56:00 PM
So wait for the TheBlackStallion is hysterical firesale on this one, got it.
lol, quite the word filter for shizbin.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
Xenoblade is definately better... I cant even think of any thing to convince someone to try this. It's just very bland.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 07:31:36 PM
Arc Rise Fantasia is better
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: magus on February 25, 2012, 07:33:23 PM
Arc Rise Fantasia is better

arc rise fantasia is better than xenoblade too :smug
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
Disagree, but considering its competition (re: none), Arc Rise would be easily at the top
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: magus on February 25, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Disagree, but considering its competition (re: none), Arc Rise would be easily at the top

chocobo mysterious dungeon is clearly the best wii rpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_rIK4dr3s

:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Tasty on February 25, 2012, 08:35:52 PM
u guys are all wrong crystal bearers fo sho
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
Crystal Bearers isn't an RPG unfortunately, you could go rank it with the other action games though
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on February 25, 2012, 09:19:23 PM
I still haven't played ARF past the intro... :(
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 09:41:29 PM
It's pretty good. And you can even use a Gamecube controller with it. Makes it feel like a Gamecube RPG.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Tasty on February 25, 2012, 09:47:36 PM
Crystal Bearers isn't an RPG unfortunately, you could go rank it with the other action games though

Just in general how would it compare with TLS, Xeno, and ARF?
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 25, 2012, 10:02:54 PM
Pretty low since it's not really an RPG
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 26, 2012, 12:17:33 AM
Jesus this game turns into a 5 frame slideshow.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 26, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
Last boss is complete dogshit.

Everything runs in sub-10 frames, shit's exploding everywhere, people dying, I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Huff on February 26, 2012, 09:20:01 PM
This thread is just disappointing. Rent or just not bother?
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 26, 2012, 09:25:24 PM
Once you play Xenoblade you wont want to bother.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 26, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
There, all done. I appreciate that they let you do a couple quests after the game to "wrap up" some stuff.

Still. Very disappointed. Buy Xenoblade
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2012, 02:42:48 AM
There, all done. I appreciate that they let you do a couple quests after the game to "wrap up" some stuff.

Still. Very disappointed. Buy Xenoblade

Yeah, but then Mistwalker has been hit or miss for a few years now, so it wasn't that unexpected.  I do wonder if it'll be sakaguchi's last game.  If so, what a weak forgettable game to go out on.

I don't think going for a gears of war style arcade-y rpg was a bad idea.  It just needed a lot of work and definitely needed a way better story and characters.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: MCD on February 27, 2012, 04:55:30 AM
The Last Shit.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: SantaC on February 27, 2012, 02:12:23 PM
yeah this game wasn't good at all. It shows that monolith soft are on another level than mistwalker.

Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 27, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
I enjoyed BD and LO, but that's because I can tolerate more traditional systems. This was just a big clusterfuck of what and wrong.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: SantaC on February 27, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
I enjoyed BD and LO, but that's because I can tolerate more traditional systems. This was just a big clusterfuck of what and wrong.

LO was pretty good except it was fuck slow and the whiny brats took up too much space in the story.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2012, 03:50:13 PM
BD and LO also had a thing called budget.

Games on Wii don't get that!
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on February 27, 2012, 03:59:25 PM
True enough, but I thought this was funded by Nintendo. The same Nintendo that pooped out Xenoblade.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: SantaC on February 27, 2012, 04:54:06 PM
no expenses spared on xenoblade for sure.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: magus on February 27, 2012, 04:57:43 PM
no expenses spared on xenoblade for sure.

yeah it's not like the game reuses a lot of monster and equipment models amirite? :smug
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: SantaC on February 27, 2012, 05:01:37 PM
no expenses spared on xenoblade for sure.

yeah it's not like the game reuses a lot of monster and equipment models amirite? :smug

it's one of those rare rpgs were changing clothes in menu actually changes in the game.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: wrowa on March 01, 2012, 09:28:17 PM
The people on the market place are totally talking Japanese. Since everything else is dubbed I'm not sure if this is an oversight, or if Nintendo just didn't give a fuck.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: SantaC on March 02, 2012, 04:29:52 PM
so gaf loves this game but hate on ffx13-2

their shit taste never cease to amaze.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: wrowa on March 07, 2012, 07:20:05 PM
Last boss is complete dogshit.

Everything runs in sub-10 frames, shit's exploding everywhere, people dying, I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
Strangely I didn't encounter any framerate problems during that paricular boss, but yeah he's an ass. For all the wrong reasons.

The last boss isn't difficult, but what makes him frustrating is that surviving becomes more or less a matter of luck. You don't have enough power to prevent your party from dying (you can give them orders sometime, but in that particular fight that's not really enough)  and the boss gives you not only a pretty long fight but can als one hit kill you if you are unlucky. Really annoying.

Up to this fight the 5-live system of Last Story made the game rather easy most of the time. During the last boss however it becomes simply frustrating. Stupid.

I actually used an ocarina cheat for infinite lives at this point, because after dying three or four times at the end of the battle I simply lacked the motivation to go one. That cheat made it easy, obviously but... afterwards something awkward happened.

After I've completed the last side quests and have seen the credits, I wanted to give the online mode a shot. Let me tell you one thing: If your party is online getting hammered by a 99 boss and you suddenly realize that you aren't losing any lives when dying because you forgot to disable that stupid cheat... Makes you feel like scumm, man! :lol
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on March 07, 2012, 07:33:38 PM
so gaf loves this game but hate on ffx13-2

their shit taste never cease to amaze.

It's on a nintendo system, of course gaf loves it.  Anyone still owning a wii over there probably thinks ever new wii game is pure gold.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Tasty on March 07, 2012, 07:50:49 PM
so gaf loves this game but hate on ffx13-2

their shit taste never cease to amaze.

It's on a nintendo system, of course gaf loves it.  Anyone still owning a wii over there probably thinks ever new wii game is pure gold.

I like how you

A) Lump all of GAF into the sliver of people who still actually remember they have a Wii
B) Lump all those people into an even smaller fraction of people who actually like this game considering
C) Everyone in that group will admit Xenoblade is far better anyways

But sure. Keep generalizing.  :dur
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: wrowa on March 07, 2012, 07:59:37 PM
"GAF" doesn't even love Last Story. The impressions are pretty mixed over there.

It's quite ironic that Bebpo of all people is complaining though, since he rated the game pretty good in his own review, lol.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on March 07, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
I didn't rate it pretty good, I rated it ok and flawed.  There's a difference!  :lol  Plus I use the IGN scale.  7-10 only.  A-C if in letter form.

Anyhow, I just like lumping all the ntards together. 
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: wrowa on March 07, 2012, 08:15:43 PM
I didn't rate it pretty good, I rated it ok and flawed.  There's a difference!  :lol  Plus I use the IGN scale.  7-10 only.  A-C if in letter form.

Anyhow, I just like lumping all the ntards together.
You are pretty bad at rating things if an 8/10 is "ok and flawed" :P

Anyhow, I think Last Story is a game that is captured in an awkward sport between good ideas and a sub-par execution of these ideas. I can understand why some people strongly dislike it, while other are really enjoying it. Don't see a reason to ridicule anyone for his opinion on this particular game.

Personally, I think it was an enjoyable ride. There's nothing in this game that actually shines and even though it barely scratches its potential in most areas, it was still good enough to grab my attention until the very end. I'm glad that it's not any longer, though.

I hope that there'll be a sequel. If Sakaguchi learns from Last Story's mistakes, a sequel could become a pretty damn good game.



And for what it's worth, it made me interested in finally giving Lost Odyssey a chance. I've heard that it was plagued by really long loading times upon its release; is there a way to fix this? Has there been a patch since then or is installing the game a solution? Long loading times are my kryptonite nowadays.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on March 07, 2012, 08:28:10 PM
The point is, Xenoblade takes a doodoo on it, and you can't use the argument "they're different games" cause it doesn't even matter if they were.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: wrowa on March 07, 2012, 08:33:54 PM
The point is, Xenoblade takes a doodoo on it, and you can't use the argument "they're different games" cause it doesn't even matter if they were.

I don't see how that point matters at all, honestly. I've put more than 100 hours into Xenoblade and yes, it's a better game in pretty much every regard. But how does that matter? Even Xenoblade ends at some point and I still want to play something afterwards. If I stop enjoying games that aren't as good as other games I've already played I wouldn't be able to enjoy a single game anymore nowadays.

I mean, sure, if the only thing you are interested in is that people will choose Xenoblade over Last Story when the games are getting released in the US I can see where you are coming from. Apart of that I fail to see how a better game makes another game worse all of a sudden.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: demi on March 07, 2012, 08:36:58 PM
There's no fault in enjoying The Last Story, as long as you are aware you are enjoying something not as good as Xenoblade. Sometimes you're high and dry for an RPG. It's cool.

I'll be playing Graces F next week. It's probably not as good as Xenoblade. But it's cool.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on March 07, 2012, 09:47:49 PM
My problem with The Last Story is that the story was insultingly terrible.  If they had the same linear weird gameplay with a story I could actually get behind I'd call it a flawed gem or something and be supportive.  But it's a flawed rpg with an annoyingly bad plot and characters.  So I dislike it even if it was still entertaining and the mechanics were not bad in themselves.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: Bebpo on March 07, 2012, 09:49:06 PM
There's no fault in enjoying The Last Story, as long as you are aware you are enjoying something not as good as Xenoblade. Sometimes you're high and dry for an RPG. It's cool.

I'll be playing Graces F next week. It's probably not as good as Xenoblade. But it's cool.

Graces isn't as good as Xenoblade, but it's still pretty good.  The combat and title system are fuck awesome and fun.  Story is bland as hell and not many interesting characters and the world is boring, but it's enough to get you to keep playing and enjoy the combat and building your characters into badasses.
Title: Re: The Last Story (Coming to NA)
Post by: wrowa on March 08, 2012, 07:49:38 PM
My problem with The Last Story is that the story was insultingly terrible.  If they had the same linear weird gameplay with a story I could actually get behind I'd call it a flawed gem or something and be supportive.  But it's a flawed rpg with an annoyingly bad plot and characters.  So I dislike it even if it was still entertaining and the mechanics were not bad in themselves.

Flawed gem? I wouldn't be able to call it that either. I had fun times with it and I like the ideas it brought to the table, but considering that I can't think of any idea that hasn't been executed poorly in the game, I wouldn't be able to use the word "gem" in a sentence together with Last Story.

And, yeah, the story... It can't even be called a trainwreck, since that would imply that there would have been a train to start with. The title Last Story was probably not taken literally enough by people. It's the last unused story that was burried somewhere deep down in Sakaguchi's drawer; a story so pointless he never decided to use it.

It tries to be political -- and it fails. It tries to be about racism -- and it fails. It tries to be about the tragic bond between two childhood friends -- and it fails. It tries to tell a love story -- and it fails. It tries to build up some really weird lore -- and it fails (honestly, I can't think of any other RPG whose lore was less credible than Last Story's...). It tries to tell a story -- and it fails.

The only two party members that are somewhat likeable are Lowell and Syrenne. The way they constantly pick on each other is entertaining -- at the same time both of them don't have any background story whatsoever. It simply doesn't exist. The other party members, including the main char, have something that resembles a small background story, but the stories are as deep as a puddle. What all of them also have in common have are shallow, one-sided, boring personalities. The side-characters of the game, guess what, have neither backstories nor plausible motivations for what they do. The same is true for the antagonists, sadly.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
And then there's the final plot "twist". A twist that was after a third of the game obvious to even a braindead person...
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Oh well. At least it's no Eternal Sonata whose story made me seriously question whether or not witnessing it made me lose some IQ points.