THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Tieno on February 24, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
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So I haven't been into gaming for a while and I wonder wether the console wars has been decided and by whom?
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Depends what you care about; sales or gaming.
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Gamers won, together. :heart
... Is what someone trying to resist answering with "Apple" would say.
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Nintendo won games and sales
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Nintendo won games and sales
The first statement is assuredly false
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xbots won
i think that next next gen will either eradicate us or make us gods
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xbox didn't win anything. it lost last generation and it lost this generation.
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Sega with the dreamcast.
suck my nuts.
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Apple big winner.
Sony big loser
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Sony lost son.
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cheap gamers
new systems are taking forever to come out and most games don't sell well enough to not be discounted soon after launch
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pc
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nobody. worst generation yet
alternatively: pc gamers
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pc gamers can't play ssx
conclusion: pc gamers lost
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to be fair, pc gamers do have the superior Dragon Age pc version and I dunno Starcraft 2/WoW. But even games like Civ 5 were disappointments.
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I'm not much of a PC gamer but I'd say that they won - lots of great indie games, lots of games at really cheap prices, more retro games than ever getting re-released (thanks to Steam and GOG), and a lot less bullshit than the other platforms have you sit through. Not to mention the best gfx if you can afford it.
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The truth is: digital download gamers won. unless they only own a wii.
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I have a nice collection of Wiiware and Virtual Console games. No need to exclude us.
I think the reception of the next consoles will reveal which box retained mindshare. Therefore, who 'won'. Wii will probably be at 100 million sold by WiiU launch, and it will be interesting to see the transition. I don't think its as screwed as some naysayers do. Whats going to matter is features, gimmicks, software, exposure, and how it all ties together in the end.
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Real answer would have to either be the casual gamer or people who never gave a fuck about a console war.
or this, yeah.
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pc gamers can't play ssx
conclusion: pc gamers lost
(http://i.imgur.com/Yk4Ys.jpg)
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Stolen from some other forum:
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http://www.gamerlive.tv/article/video-game-analyst-michael-pachter-says-nintendo-disarray
Video Game Analyst Michael Pachter Says Nintendo Is in Disarray
“I think Nintendo is in disarray. I think they’ve completely blown the Wii U by not telling people what the price is going to be. It’s going to launch at $249 because it has to. I think they’re dead anyway because Xbox with Kinect will be priced below that by the time they launch. Wii was a bubble and that the Wii bubble has burst.” - Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter
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pc
because consoles are shit
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Stolen from some other forum:
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http://www.gamerlive.tv/article/video-game-analyst-michael-pachter-says-nintendo-disarray
Video Game Analyst Michael Pachter Says Nintendo Is in Disarray
“I think Nintendo is in disarray. I think they’ve completely blown the Wii U by not telling people what the price is going to be. It’s going to launch at $249 because it has to. I think they’re dead anyway because Xbox with Kinect will be priced below that by the time they launch. Wii was a bubble and that the Wii bubble has burst.” - Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter
Has Pachter got any analysis right?
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Valve
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Stolen from some other forum:
(http://i.imgur.com/e9xHG.gif)
http://www.gamerlive.tv/article/video-game-analyst-michael-pachter-says-nintendo-disarray
Video Game Analyst Michael Pachter Says Nintendo Is in Disarray
“I think Nintendo is in disarray. I think they’ve completely blown the Wii U by not telling people what the price is going to be. It’s going to launch at $249 because it has to. I think they’re dead anyway because Xbox with Kinect will be priced below that by the time they launch. Wii was a bubble and that the Wii bubble has burst.” - Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter
Has Pachter got any analysis right?
Wow this is really tearing you up huh?
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Stolen from some other forum:
(http://i.imgur.com/e9xHG.gif)
http://www.gamerlive.tv/article/video-game-analyst-michael-pachter-says-nintendo-disarray
Video Game Analyst Michael Pachter Says Nintendo Is in Disarray
“I think Nintendo is in disarray. I think they’ve completely blown the Wii U by not telling people what the price is going to be. It’s going to launch at $249 because it has to. I think they’re dead anyway because Xbox with Kinect will be priced below that by the time they launch. Wii was a bubble and that the Wii bubble has burst.” - Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter
That's awesome! Since the opposite of everything Pachter says comes true, Nintendo will be killing it in the near future.
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pachter, stopped clock etc..
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pachter the analyst is apparently pretty good at his job
pachter the game industry commentator has a pretty lousy track record
it's important to remember his real job (which he is good at) is a separate thing from the context we usually hear him in (which he has admitted he does for the lulz sometimes)
That's my general feeling as well. Plus, Pachter is less of a douche than most industry analysts.
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pachter the analyst is apparently pretty good at his job
pachter the game industry commentator has a pretty lousy track record
it's important to remember his real job (which he is good at) is a separate thing from the context we usually hear him in (which he has admitted he does for the lulz sometimes)
Nailed it. That's how I've always viewed his participation in this space.
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Video Game Analyst Michael Pachter Is A Gigantic Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged Faggot
It's true!
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Oh, and I guess the answer to the thead question would vary based on which Gen and Region we're talking about. Ninty won this round based on hardware sales/profits, but MS and Sony probably pulled in more fat royalties from third party publishers in the home console space.
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Considering how this is probably the worst generation I've been in (I've played games since the 8 bit NES era), while I'm not sure who won, I can definitely tell you that I wound up losing.
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I played a ton of great games this generation, so I guess I won.
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Japanese Xbox 360 owners won. Best console for arcade ports ever (probably).
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Ninthings are really really angry at Pachter,like he offended their mothers or something.
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Me, as the only winning move is not to play.
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console wars still exist?
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console wars still exist?
Obama promised to get us out of the Console Wars. :'(
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Console wars will be over when threads like this (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464421) get only few responses
/never
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taco bell
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console wars still exist?
Only in the minds of Sony fans who think their company of choice is still relevant and in the minds of Nintendo fans who think their company still makes "video games"
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console wars still exist?
Only in the minds of Sony fans who think their company of choice is still relevant and in the minds of Nintendo fans who think their company still makes "video games"
lolmfw you think xbots aren't the worst. they are whiny and tried for years justifying their piece of shit first console and then the mediocre second console. lul @ you.
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taco bell
Nice. Not only have you managed a fantastic movie quote, but you've also upped the count of threads mentioning Taco Bell! Well-played, sir.
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console wars still exist?
Only in the minds of Sony fans who think their company of choice is still relevant and in the minds of Nintendo fans who think their company still makes "video games"
lolmfw you think xbots aren't the worst. they are whiny and tried for years justifying their piece of shit first console and then the mediocre second console. lul @ you.
uh huh. stfu, honkey.
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uh huh. stfu, honkey.
:rofl
Michael responded to gaf attacks
My speech was about the potential for growth of social gaming. I am pretty sure it was taped and posted on gamerlive.tv
The Wii U comment was in response to a question about the potential for the Wii U.
I believe (and please feel free to disagree) that a large portion of the Wii audience comprised casual gamers--those who bought one or two games a year the first two years, then put the Wii aside--and that those casual gamers moved on to another platform. The "other" platform may have been Facebook games, smart phone games, tablet games, or one of the other consoles, but once they moved on, they are not likely to come back.
At the same time, I believe (again, please feel free to disagree) that the growth of smart phones and tablets has attracted many potential dedicated handheld game customers, and these people also are unlikely to come back to either 3DS or PS Vita.
Summing this up, I think the addressable market for the Wii U is around half of the market for the Wii, and I think Microsoft and Sony will compete for a portion of that market if the Wii U is priced too high. I think that the dedicated handheld market is permanently impacted by smart phones and tablets, and think that Nintendo's addressable market is probably also half of its former market.
Nintendo is in disarray because they waited too long to launch the Wii U. I know that this sounds like (and is) sour grapes because they didn't launch the Wii HD in 2009 or 2010 as I "predicted". They should have, and because they didn't, the decline in Wii and DS hardware and software sales drove them into generating LOSSES. For those of you who aren't financial analysts, losses mean that the company is worth less than it was before. Nintendo stock has dropped by over 80% in the last few years, and the market has appreciated over the same period. I'm paid to advise investors, and none have made a profit owning Nintendo stock. I don't think that many will make a profit over the next few years, because I don't think Nintendo's strategy will return them to profitability.
If the context above infuriates you, go back to school and pay attention, then read it again ;-)
go back to school you stupid nintards
Michael Patcher :bow2
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Ninthings are really really angry at Pachter,like he offended their mothers or something.
I'm laughing too much to be angry or offended. :lol
Yeah, Nintendo not telling the Wii U's price 9 months before it comes out is totally the single thing that will sink it. Even though they didn't tell the Wii's price or launch date until two months before it came out, not to mention MS or Sony. ::)
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Andrex, Pachter is clear.
He advises investors, not telling the price is driving the stock price down.
Rtfm
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The Wii and DS tapered off due to a lack of desirable software, but Nintendo's offerings still sold well during this period. Also, Just Dance is arguably keeping the Wii from totally flatlining. What I'm saying is that it is ALWAYS about the software, and if Nintendo can ensure the WiiU has a steady stream of desirables this time around then they will return to profits. The reason I'm wary about the 3ds is because ,outside of Japan, franchise power is mostly consolidated on consoles atm. They do have pokemon of course, but they need another Nintendogs/Brain Training phenomenom.
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Andrex, Pachter is clear.
He advises investors, not telling the price is driving the stock price down.
Rtfm
The language in this post is so broken I can't understand it. Try again.
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I wish Pollacks would stick to what they know. Wait, what is that again?
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I wish Pollacks would stick to what they know. Wait, what is that again?
Dress stomping.
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Andrex, Pachter is clear.
He advises investors, not telling the price is driving the stock price down.
Rtfm
The language in this post is so broken I can't understand it. Try again.
This is your best response? Go back to Gaf.
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Andrex, Pachter is clear.
He advises investors, not telling the price is driving the stock price down.
Rtfm
The language in this post is so broken I can't understand it. Try again.
This is your best response? Go back to Gaf.
I just literally can't understand what you were trying to say with the post, or how it related to anything I said whatsoever.
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taco bell
Dortio Taco food console of the forever. :bow
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I think the whole thing is really interesting, it's rather like that guys theory about the free-market negro. Back in the day, the (I'd just like to say that I'm racist, but it applies to being racist about shit tv, music and really fucking bad food, like chips that taste of staleness) black man was affeared of god, and had a real sense of family, and a profound grounding in community; nowadays god and the other things have been replaced with a serious case of 'want it now, and fuck everything else'.
This can be applied to the console situation, it used to be a fairly simple case of planting your flag on the one you like best, because of exclusives etc. But due to the promiscuity of dev cos this is not the case, and the IOS equation has made the dynamics of the olden times fan boy wars far more complicated. Reading that back, it has no real bearing on the previous stanza. So I just hope that MS seriously misstep with their next gen console, because they seem to have become a cunt sponge and bean countersville for people who don't give a shit about enjoyable games. I guess Bioware too, but I have always LOATHED the Mass Effect series for its mediocrity and the mediocre sort of person that it attracts. That said, if a bomb went off in the Mass Effect disco, the world would have lost a bomb.
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martin, i think your semantic constructor pattern went tits up.
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who could have guessed that a guy that called himself martin raperman would turn out to be a fucking idiot
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The bros won. Everything is accessible, dirt-stupid, and predictable. Gaming has been dumbed down to the point at which I have ceased giving a fuck
In the last 2 months I haven't fucking played any game that wasn't
1. A board/card game
2. A pinball sim
3. Daytona USA
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The bros won. Everything is accessible, dirt-stupid, and predictable. Gaming has been dumbed down to the point at which I have ceased giving a fuck
In the last 2 months I haven't fucking played any game that wasn't
1. A board/card game
2. A pinball sim
3. Daytona USA
Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes, Brocephus. Me and the other bros will be busy playing some MW3 while waiting for the next Madden and CoD. EXTREME!
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Hrnnnnnnggg....I'm just going to listen to my 78s of Bing Crosby and play "Labyrinth"
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who could have guessed that a guy that called himself martin raperman would turn out to be a fucking idiot
This has actually been bugging me for a while, I'm seriously sorry if I pissed you off, it wasn't my invention. My thought posts are sometimes not so great. I have a serious complex about pointless things, so let's be friends.
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yeah thats cool
i act like a dick a lot for no reason; please dont take it personally