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Title: Valve making a console...Steam press accounts mysteriously reapearing
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 12:55:25 AM
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According to sources, the company has been working on a hardware spec and associated software which would make up the backbone of a "Steam Box." The actual devices may be made by a variety of partners, and the software would be readily available to any company that wants to get in the game.

Apparently meetings were held during CES to demo a hand-built version of the device to potential partners. We're told that the basic specs of the Steam Box include a Core i7 CPU, 8GB of RAM, and an NVIDIA GPU. The devices will be able to run any standard PC titles, and will also allow for rival gaming services (like EA's Origin) to be loaded up.

Part of the goal of establishing a baseline for hardware, we're told, is that it will give developers a clear lifecycle for their products, with changes possibly coming every three to four years. Additionally, there won't be a required devkit, and there will be no licensing fees to create software for the platform.

We're hearing that a wide variety of USB peripherals will be compatible with the boxes, though it will likely ship with a proprietary controller. It's possible that the controller will even allow for swappable components, meaning that it can be reconfigured depending on the type of game you're playing.

The Steam Box could be unveiled at GDC, though we're also hearing that the company may wait until E3 this year to show off what it's been working on.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/2/2840932/exclusive-valve-steam-box-gaming-console (http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/2/2840932/exclusive-valve-steam-box-gaming-console)

Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2012, 12:56:26 AM
My reaction: hahahahahhahahahahahaha what
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 03, 2012, 01:04:11 AM
it's a brilliant idea if they can keep the price low enough, i've wondered for years why nvidia or amd hadn't done something similar regarding a branded, standardized spec box

at any rate, hopefully this means big picture mode (controller compatible steam interface) is coming soon
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 01:05:56 AM
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Additionally, we're told that the kind of biometrics Valve uses in game testing will somehow be incorporated into these devices. Sources of ours say that the realtime biometric feedback in games will be a sea-change for users. To put it more succinctly, the sentiment we've heard is: "You won't ever look back." These biometric devices could come in the form of a bracelet, or be part of the standard controller.

The consoles will also take advantage of Steam's "Big Picture" mode, a feature Valve touted last year at GDC, but has yet to release to the public. According to the company's press release in 2011 "With big picture mode, gaming opportunities for Steam partners and customers become possible via PCs and Macs on any TV or computer display in the house."

The most interesting piece of this puzzle may be related to that statement. According to sources, the Steam Box isn't intended to just clash with current gaming consoles. Rather, Valve wants to take Apple and its forthcoming new Apple TV products head-on. Newell has clear questions about Apple's strategy, telling the The Seattle Times "On the platform side, it's sort of ominous that the world seems to be moving away from open platforms," adding that "They build a shiny sparkling thing that attracts users and then they control people's access to those things."
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 03, 2012, 01:07:05 AM
valve time, big picture mode coming in 2015
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on March 03, 2012, 01:12:13 AM
No, they're making a HTPC.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 03, 2012, 01:16:50 AM
pretty much, but i think the main point is setting standardized specs, and valve might have enough clout to get most everyone on board with it

it's a good thing to bring more mainstream people into pc gaming, and doesn't appear to have much of a downside

also a good thing because you know they'll have a crazy week of ridiculous sales when (if it even exists) this thing launches
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 03, 2012, 01:25:00 AM
all they ahve to do is make TF3, Portal 3 and HL3 exclusive to console only and theyre set
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 01:30:51 AM
HL3 exclusive to Steam,coinciding with Steam box console release,free with every Steam box purchase....hmm
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on March 03, 2012, 01:41:43 AM
I'm more interested in the software and controllers than whatever the htpc will be.  Valve sorta partnered with Razer and its motion controller (hydra or something).  That's Wii/Move-ish for aiming.  There could always just be a standard 360 style pad.  I'm hoping they experiment with a touch pad for aiming.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 01:54:32 AM
Didn't a company try this before?  Phantom or some shit like that. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: pilonv1 on March 03, 2012, 01:59:09 AM
Everyone can join the winning team now.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on March 03, 2012, 02:04:37 AM
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Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 02:18:22 AM
I guess it's possible if internet bandwidth is so high and fast that 1080p streaming is possible.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 02:18:50 AM
No, they're making a HTPC.

This. Just sounds like a Valve Branded PC with steam pre-installed. To be honest I don't really think it makes much sense. The people who buy PC's are already served in the current market with traditional and custom built pc's and unless this box is priced competitively with consoles I don't see it tempting any significant portion of the console market. Especially with new consoles on the horizon already.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 02:21:22 AM
It would make sense if it's cheap.  Most PCs marketed as gaming PCs are too expensive for most people. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: pilonv1 on March 03, 2012, 02:24:34 AM
Wish people would stop calling it a console.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 02:26:03 AM
It would make sense if it's cheap.  Most PCs marketed as gaming PCs are too expensive for most people.

Then they are going to have to eat hardware costs to subsidize these things. It still doesn't make sense to me unless these boxes are like $300 or less or something. I know they make their money on the software but I have a hard time seeing these little boxes expanding the market in a significant way. They already have this market covered on the existing PC spec. This presumes that their is a large audience who is eagerly waiting for something in between a PC and a console. And I would argue if there is such a thing tablets have already cornered that market. On the other side if its truly just a gaming PC that costs around what other gaming PC's cost and is just branded with a Valve Logo then that's really no big deal to me. Or less of a big deal.


But that's just my initial thoughts. What do I know. Maybe the thing will sell gangbusters.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on March 03, 2012, 02:28:44 AM
Wish people would stop calling it a console.

why, would would it be?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: pilonv1 on March 03, 2012, 02:28:59 AM
They wont be $300 or less, that's ridiculous. It will just be a standard mass produced PC.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on March 03, 2012, 02:35:53 AM
They wont be $300 or less, that's ridiculous. It will just be a standard mass produced PC.

Isn't that just what a console is? A mass produced PC
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 02:41:56 AM
They wont be $300 or less, that's ridiculous. It will just be a standard mass produced PC.

Isn't that just what a console is? A mass produced PC

The thing is mass produced normally means prices for the masses. But PC gaming hardware rarely is. That's why these seems more like a move to get standardization on the PC side rather than being real competition to consoles.

I mean technically there are already PC in consoles style boxes already on the market.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51/pd.aspx

They still cost as much as real PC's which is the true defining point. There are real inherent differences in the philosophy behind a console and a PC even though consoles are just PC's in a different box. But the real ultimate dividing line is the price. (Despite whatever absurd price the PS3 and 360 began at)
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 02:44:29 AM
Consoles are not what they used to be...

This will probably be something in line with that Alienware thing,small console form factor and limited upgrade ability.
Standardized min specs have pretty big implications.I bet that games will run better on Steam-box than on some equivalent in power xyz configuration.Driver overhead in PC games is huge and even burdened by fixing legacy code bugs.There is a lots of grumble against current PC drivers today and its very clear that something needs to be done in that regard.
Standardized box with minimum overhead could do wonders.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 02:48:30 AM
whoops wrong thread
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on March 03, 2012, 02:49:30 AM
So would Valve's machine be a 600 dollar monstar

or a 200 dollar steam on the tv kinda thing?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 03, 2012, 02:50:23 AM
As long as it can fit on my desk etc.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 03, 2012, 02:52:18 AM
Hi Stoney, what do you think of Waking Mars?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 02:54:40 AM
Hi Stoney, what do you think of Waking Mars?

I've been busy with SSX so I haven't bought any ios games recently but I'll certainly buy it soon.

I thought Spider: The Secret of Bryce Manor was excellent so I really like those dudes. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on March 03, 2012, 03:10:48 AM
Nah, their expanding PC gaming
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 03:28:30 AM
If the price is right, I'd definitely buy one.

What is a "right" price though? $600, $800. What price would you pay for something like this? Serious question.

That's my problem. Maybe because I recently upgraded my PC and don't need this device I'm not getting exactly who such a product would be targeted at and why they wouldn't just buy an existing gaming PC. I know not every gamer is tech savvy enough or cares enough to build a gaming PC. But this just seems like something for somebody who already wanted a gaming PC but doesn't have the dough or desire or knowledge to build one. I'm assuming the assumption they are making is that there are tons of these people around. I just wonder if there are outside of people on messageboards or forums. The price seems to be the thing here. Depending on that its either snooze worthy news or something that actual normal people would buy.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 03:42:22 AM
$400 is possible if this thing is designed to be mass produced in large amounts.  The reason that high-end GPUs and CPUs are so expensive is because not enough people buy them.  OTOH, look at how quickly SSD prices have fallen.  Not too long ago, a 100gb SSD cost more than the fastest GPU. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 03:44:40 AM
Somehow i think that this thing won't be too expensive.
If I can make(buy) cheap PC that does everything that expensive Steam box does,what is the point?

The real question is:

Why is Valve doing this?
Steam can be easily installed on any PC,so why bother?


Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on March 03, 2012, 03:49:49 AM
Somehow i think that this thing won't be too expensive.
If I can make(buy) cheap PC that does everything that expensive Steam box does,what is the point?

The real question is:

Why is Valve doing this?
Steam can be easily installed on any PC,so why bother?

Exactly, what is there to gain?

Isn't hardware just there to sell software.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 03:59:45 AM
Because many gamers would jump aboard but just have no idea how to build a fast & cheap gaming PCs.  Two of my best friends are like that.  They love playing on my gaming PC and always comment on how much better the games run and look compared to PS3 and 360.  They certainly have the money for pretty good PCs but are just too lazy to build one themselves or learn how to go through the typical game configuration.  If Steam can come up with a user friendly UI and easy default controls, that would make their box really attractive for gamers like my friends. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 04:08:03 AM
Good thing that world will end this year.Hopefully some asteroid splits Earth in half.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on March 03, 2012, 04:11:58 AM
isn't your pc like 8 million dollars?

the valve htpc is in a place where it needs to be powerful enough to show a comparable advantage to consoles while remaining affordable.  and basing on little to no info but it's gonna be compared to both current and next gen systems. 

you're not going to be playing Battlefield 3 at 1080p 60fps maxed out.  or at all.  OriginCube exclusive!
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 04:17:08 AM
and basing on little to no info but it's gonna be compared to both current and next gen systems. 

That's the other real problem to me. The Wii U and Xbox 720 are right around the corner. Probably the PS 4 too despite whatever Sony says.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 04:18:34 AM
Obviously, I'm not judging by my standards.  I know it's not normal to have 5 gpus in a PC, 4 10000 RPM HDs in a Raid-0, 500gb SSD, $200 soundcard, etc.  Most people can enjoy PC games without having that kinda gear. 

As another example, a friend absolutely loved playing TF2 on my PC.  He rented it on the 360 and absolutely hated how it felt.  I'm sure he'd jump in if someone can give him a $400 to $500 box that will setup in 5 mins just like a console and let him play TF2 the same way as most PC gamers.  I doubt he'd notice much if the settings are lower compared to my PC.  I always mess around with the settings to show him the differences but most of the time he can't even tell 2xAA from 32xAA. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 04:23:53 AM
Good points Smooth Groove. But I wonder about how future proof such a box will be? PC gaming is constantly raising the graphics bar, how will that play out in a typical 4-5 year console life?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 04:27:39 AM
Games require more power because devs are lazy and just make sure that games run well on high end PCs.  It's not impossible to make a new game run and look nicely on an older PC while adding features for more powerful PCs.  Quite a few games have been able to do that.  Most of the Capcom games have been able to do that really well. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 04:30:21 AM
The thing is I'm not suggesting people like Oscar or Smooth Groove's friends don't exist. I'm just curious about truly how many of them there are. For everyone of those I can tell you I talk to tons of people who literally think graphics can't get any better than a 360 or a PS3. I mean I can show them better graphics on my PC and they often have a hard time discerning any difference or more to the point any difference that would convert them enough into being a PC gamer. I know the hardcore audience appreciates technical improvements in graphics and frame rate but I think the masses just look at something and says that looks good. And for a lot of them they'll get 720's or PS4's not so much because the new graphics will be amazing to them but because its the latest version of that thing they already enjoy and own.

So the thing is I don't think the masses will look at the graphics in a SteamBox and go holy shit I gotta get that. I think a small subset of gamers who can't afford high ends pc's will look at this as a way to get into PC gaming. Which is fine I guess. I'm just surprised manufactures think the numbers are there for this.

Now if they get some special tie in with Best Buy and they flood their stores with this thing and it costs $400 or $500 and they really hype up that this is a computer that's also a next gen console then maybe it could work. I just think its a lot of work. The real heat in the market right now is for tablets and casual gaming on low end PC's and laptops. This seems out of step with market realities to me.

And that's probably enough market analysis for me for awhile.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 04:34:15 AM
It will be future proof just like any other console.

Anything released on it will have to run nicely on non upgraded box.That means 30fps at some recommended res.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 04:35:22 AM
It's not just graphics though.  Much of the enjoyment from those friends came from gaming with KB+Mouse and playing certain games that work better on a smaller screen like tactical RPGs or RTS.  Console companies just haven't been very active in supporting KB+M or those kinda games. 

Also, mods and add-ons are still very complicated for consoles and for PC games, those latter enhancements often become even more popular than the original games.  I'm pretty sure lots of people would be interested in playing Fallout with female characters wearing lingerie or be completely nude. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 04:49:49 AM
I agree.We all have those kinds of friends.

Full hassle free experience is what matters to them.There are two things that separate this rumored box from ordinary PC config:

1.Standardized specs
2.Proprietary controller

and they both go into hassle free direction
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 05:13:39 AM
An adult edition of this box with access to streaming adult entertainment would also be pretty awesome. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Timber on March 03, 2012, 05:55:42 AM
When I was looking for a laptop I briefly considered getting one of those Alienware things, but it felt like they required me to wear Fatal1ty brand clothing and call people n00bs all the time. If Valve can pull off a good console-PC hybrid for respectable persons such as myself, all power to them. Specs seem to be in line with what I have right now though so I'll probably pass.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: naff on March 03, 2012, 07:52:46 AM
Sounds cool. I'm imagining it running some form of reduced fat Windows, streamlined for running Steam/Origin/other supported service and it's vidya instead of just being some Valve brand PC.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2012, 08:22:14 AM
Will buy.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: archie4208 on March 03, 2012, 08:24:35 AM
Will buy if it comes with exclusive TF2 hats.

Fixed for me.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Chinner on March 03, 2012, 08:58:56 AM
i think this could be pretty amazing but last time i checked the bore is full of xbots so im not surprised by the lack of euphemism.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 03, 2012, 09:04:17 AM
PC gaming is deep down in every real xbot blood.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 03, 2012, 09:41:28 AM
there's actually a good percentage of pc gamers here, it's just that most games nowadays are console ports so all our talk is just mingled in with the console threads
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 03, 2012, 10:17:55 AM
i think this could be pretty amazing but last time i checked the bore is full of xbots so im not surprised by the lack of euphemism.

This console is brownie batter and will toss some major salad.

Is that enough euphemism?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Momo on March 03, 2012, 12:13:18 PM
I would really go for this, Valve could take all the research and labour out of the PC upgrade cycle for me
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 12:45:35 PM
there's actually a good percentage of pc gamers here, it's just that most games nowadays are console ports so all our talk is just mingled in with the console threads

I love how many supposedly dedicated PC gamers in this forum celebrate over a game being available on the PC and promptly buys it for 360 the day it's released. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 02:22:57 PM
there's actually a good percentage of pc gamers here, it's just that most games nowadays are console ports so all our talk is just mingled in with the console threads

I love how many supposedly dedicated PC gamers in this forum celebrate over a game being available on the PC and promptly buys it for 360 the day it's released.

Well PC gamers never forget where they came from. It's like when you see that alcohol can now be bought at your local joint with food stamps. You nod your head in approval, briefly reminisce on the less generous way things were when you were on the government dole, then pay for your Bud Light with hard earned cash
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 02:37:05 PM
Or like how you only had pixelated streaming porn on the phone as a kid but now you're watching the latest Evil Angel blu-ray on your >50" HDTV?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 02:42:00 PM
Porn in HD is too real for me :'(
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 02:49:37 PM
I think the video editors do a much better job of touching up now than in the early days of HD porn.  Good looking chicks like Kayden Kross look stunning in HD. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 02:55:51 PM
Didn't know you supported contract girls who dodge
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on March 03, 2012, 02:57:15 PM
I agree with smooth groove that there are other reasons to like PC gaming besides superior visuals and performance.  Maybe not performance.  I'd gladly make games uglier than console versions to run smoother.  And that's the strength of pc gaming, imo.  It's all the options it allows for.  I can customize my controls, in some cases increase fov, disabled those start up movies, mod my games, play mod that're entirely new levels or games, and all that stuff.  There's also a huge library of games that never ends and constantly grows and actually gets better with time.  That's why I prefer PC gaming, at least.

And while I was negative (or critical/realistic/whateveR) on the last page, I'm interested in what this Valve htpc will be.  I'm still interested in external graphics cards and stuff like that too.  I wouldn't mind a time when I can have a compact laptop as my main computer, and then still enjoy the benefits of PC gaming when I come home.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 02:59:12 PM
Didn't know you supported contract girls who dodge

It annoys me but I can't help it if they're hot.  Jessica Drake annoys me the most since she's been doing everything in the last few years but IR.  She arguably has bigger influence in the industry than any other female performer.  If she jumps onboard IR, lots of other top names will follow. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Timber on March 03, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
the hell
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: etiolate on March 03, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
Seems like an attempt to further establish a generational standard with PC gaming and offer console gamers a gateway to PC gaming. This all assumes it will be priced at less than half of like an Alienware gaming rig.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on March 04, 2012, 04:46:54 AM
(http://i.minus.com/i6gpDNjriXNkR.jpeg)

I don't think this will be upgradable,at least not by Valve console Steam Box intended audience.If this thing takes off,future PC recommended requirements will look like

-xyz cpu,gpu,ram
-Steam box

Valve is a software company so there is one question

What does God need with a starship?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Vizzys on March 04, 2012, 05:51:29 AM
dont make valve smite you maxy
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on March 04, 2012, 11:05:20 PM
valve's controller patent:

(http://i.imgur.com/KqH8H.jpg)


trackball and touch pad options :hyper
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on March 04, 2012, 11:06:45 PM
The Nintendo Steam U
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on March 05, 2012, 12:22:51 AM
The Nintendo Steam U

Everyone rippin' off Nintendo, it's nothing new.

DUMB MACRO (2005):

(http://i.imgur.com/zhQYs.jpg)

FIVE YEARS LATER

(http://i.imgur.com/0wd3O.png)
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Momo on March 05, 2012, 12:52:13 AM
^I lol'd
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: chronovore on March 05, 2012, 02:11:41 AM
(http://i.minus.com/i6gpDNjriXNkR.jpeg)

I don't think this will be upgradable,at least not by Valve console Steam Box intended audience.If this thing takes off,future PC recommended requirements will look like

-xyz cpu,gpu,ram
-Steam box

Valve is a software company so there is one question

What does God need with a starship?

The vents look like some minimalist cross-stitch.  :undecided
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2012, 04:01:53 PM
Quote
Shooting Down Rumors, Valve Says They’re Not Making a Game Console Any Time Soon
Delay those dreams of a Steam Box competing with a PlayStation, Xbox or Wii. Valve Software is not making a gaming console in the near future and that the various rumors swirling around don't add up to them making their own set-top box.
"We're prepping the Steam Big Picture Mode UI and getting ready to ship that, so we're building boxes to test that on," he said, referring to a new Steam interface that will make the online gaming service easily useable for people who want to play Steam games on a PC that's connected to their TV. "We're also doing a bunch of different experiments with biometric feedback and stuff like that, which we've talked about a fair amount.

"All of that is stuff that we're working on, but it's a long way from Valve shipping any sort of hardware."

Lombardi refused to flat-out say that Valve isn't working on a console. When I posted it to him this way—"What you're saying is, there's definitely nothing coming any time soon, nothing at GDC or E3, but what you're not ruling out is the possibility that, hey, maybe some day Valve would make hardware. "-he said, "I think that's accurate."

Rumors of an impending Steam Box have heated over the last week, since leading tech site The Verge reported that Valve was working on a console that it would develop in partnership with various hardware manufacturers, similar to Google's approach with the Android platform. Some of the evidence cited were patents for configurable controllers and rumors of an incorporation of Valve's public interest in tracking and reacting to player's biometrics into a Steam console. The Verge report also cited a hardware spec that turned out to match that of a PC built last fall by Valve's Greg Coomer. Could that have been a prototype, we had wondered?

"Greg's one of the guys leading the effort of the Big Picture mode," Lombardi said. "The idea is that you can take Steam to any display. What we're trying to do is say, 'here's a box that we're going to use for testing that's common for Big Picture mode and get performance at a base level.'... We're always putting boxes together. Going all the way back to the Half-Life 1 days, we built special boxes to test our software render… it's just part of development."

http://kotaku.com/5891697/shooting-down-rumors-valve-says-theyre-not-making-a-game-console-any-time-soon
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: pilonv1 on March 08, 2012, 05:32:57 PM
Typical terrible gamez jurnalizm reporting
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2012, 06:29:01 PM
With full acknowledgment that maybe one day Valve will make a gaming device or partner to make a steam branded PC, what people were talking with this simply didn't make sense outside of a certain niche kind of gamer hoping/wishing it to be true.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Robo on March 12, 2012, 01:39:42 PM
Only just now saw this thread.  Swag me out, y'all.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=37684.msg1431955#msg1431955
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2012, 02:37:08 PM
Only just now saw this thread.  Swag me out, y'all.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=37684.msg1431955#msg1431955

http://kotaku.com/5891697/shooting-down-rumors-valve-says-theyre-not-making-a-game-console-any-time-soon
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Robo on March 12, 2012, 02:39:35 PM
I don't care about that, I said swag me out.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on April 14, 2012, 01:44:50 AM
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/13/apple_ceo_tim_cook_spotted_at_valves_gaming_headquarters.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/13/apple_ceo_tim_cook_spotted_at_valves_gaming_headquarters.html)
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Apple's chief executive Tim Cook reportedly visited the Bellevue, Washington headquarters of Valve Corporation earlier today, inciting questions about new potential for collaboration between the two companies.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2012, 01:59:56 AM
Awesome, Apple is potentially the only thing that would derail Valve enough for them not to be a competitive threat.

I can just see it now... the Valve Pippin.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2012, 02:01:00 AM
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/13/apple_ceo_tim_cook_spotted_at_valves_gaming_headquarters.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/13/apple_ceo_tim_cook_spotted_at_valves_gaming_headquarters.html)
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Apple's chief executive Tim Cook reportedly visited the Bellevue, Washington headquarters of Valve Corporation earlier today, inciting questions about new potential for collaboration between the two companies.

*masturbates furiously*

Hey andrex, stfu and go to one of the gaming ghetto (nofriendo) threads.  This thread is for REAL GAMERS WHAT PLAY REAL GAMES.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2012, 02:05:28 AM
But you're replying to a post about Apple. ???
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2012, 02:08:08 AM
The Valve Pippin.

$799 Wi-Fi, $899 3G (why do you need 3G in a home console? it's magic and revolutionary, that's why)
16 GB and 32 GB available! (what do you mean more space? just empty out dat fridge!)
Yearly product updates! (games don't work on models older than two years)
Completely locked down, for your own good! (graphics settings? what are these settings you speak of?)
All Angry Birds games available at launch! (and only those games)


Unfortunately it'd sell a billion in a day.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2012, 02:11:35 AM
You sound sad, let me build you a fortress of solitude to cry in out of these tens of thousands of unsold 3ds units.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2012, 02:14:11 AM
You sound sad, let me build you a fortress of solitude to cry in out of these tens of thousands of unsold 3ds units.

Can I have the keys to your TARDIS? Because you seem to be in 2011.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: parallax on April 14, 2012, 05:16:05 AM
The Valve Pippin.

$799 Wi-Fi, $899 3G (why do you need 3G in a home console? it's magic and revolutionary, that's why)
16 GB and 32 GB available! (what do you mean more space? just empty out dat fridge!)
Yearly product updates! (games don't work on models older than two years)
Completely locked down, for your own good! (graphics settings? what are these settings you speak of?)
All Angry Birds games available at launch! (and only those games)


Unfortunately it'd sell a billion in a day.

i need to find that gif again. that had me rolling.

to be honest, i dont give a shit about the specs at the moment, but i do want to see what the potential controller looks like. that prototype pic listed above didnt do it for me though despite it being possibly fake and based on a 360 pad
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: magus on April 14, 2012, 05:29:56 AM
i don't care about valve or apple but i would love if someone came and made a console with uber-cheap games just to put some fire under the ass of everybody
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on April 14, 2012, 05:48:56 AM
i don't care about valve or apple but i would love if someone came and made a console with free games just to put some fire under the ass of everybody

Fixed.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2012, 06:15:30 AM
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Can I have the keys to your TARDIS? Because you seem to be in 2011.

yeah, come on guys, give the ntard a break - he's just about to enter 2006 with the Wii U - let him glimpse our past. I doubt it'll cause a space time issue as Iwatards have already accepted that living in the past is cool and awesome*



* cept for those 6 months they get "superior ports" - then it'll be amazing.


How is the PSP 3DS treating you Andrex? I remember when i was blown away by that tech way way back too. Ah... Mmmmeeeeemorrieees like the corners of myyyy miiiiiind, misty water coloured meeeemorieess of 8 year old tech.....

2011 - it must seem like a distant dream! We should maybe send back sports reports so we can make some money!


Still - you can always dry hump your bed whilst looking at financial report pdfs whilst actively celebrating being ripped off by the company you love. Go you! Plant that flag, you black satan jizzum swallowing fagulon.

"I am done with Iwata... next... send in MC HAMMER!"

The real tragedy of all of that is that I'm probably the only one who got the Bill Hicks riff at the end.

Well, that and people like Nintendo, but whatever.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on April 14, 2012, 06:59:08 AM
Hard for the 3DS to be treating Andy to anything since he doesn't own one.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: archie4208 on April 14, 2012, 07:47:55 AM
The Valve Pippin.

$799 Wi-Fi, $899 3G (why do you need 3G in a home console? it's magic and revolutionary, that's why)
16 GB and 32 GB available! (what do you mean more space? just empty out dat fridge!)
Yearly product updates! (games don't work on models older than two years)
Completely locked down, for your own good! (graphics settings? what are these settings you speak of?)
All Angry Birds games available at launch! (and only those games)


Unfortunately it'd sell a billion in a day.

Does it come with hats?  :drool
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 14, 2012, 08:27:47 AM
I didn't realize Valve was in Bellevue - huh, they're like 10 blocks from my apartment in fact
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2012, 12:19:44 PM
yeah, come on guys, give the ntard a break - he's just about to enter 2006 with the Wii U - let him glimpse our past. I doubt it'll cause a space time issue as Iwatards have already accepted that living in the past is cool and awesome*



* cept for those 6 months they get "superior ports" - then it'll be amazing.


How is the PSP 3DS treating you Andrex? I remember when i was blown away by that tech way way back too. Ah... Mmmmeeeeemorrieees like the corners of myyyy miiiiiind, misty water coloured meeeemorieess of 8 year old tech.....

2011 - it must seem like a distant dream! We should maybe send back sports reports so we can make some money!


Still - you can always dry hump your bed whilst looking at financial report pdfs whilst actively celebrating being ripped off by the company you love. Go you! Plant that flag, you black satan jizzum swallowing fagulon.

"I am done with Iwata... next... send in MC HAMMER!"

Wh... what? ???

Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey.

yeah in terms of handing over money to big nintendo, dcharlie has got andrex beaten like andy's pikachu doll after a rough night of "training"

andrex - 0 3dseses
dcharlie - like goddam 900 3dses i think?

:lol

tsk tsk

it's a $150 - that's an evening down the docks with a sign and a tub of lard.

Hand over your flesh, Iwata demands it.

What was your first Nintendo machine, Andrex?

The first one I owned or the first one I played?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
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The first one I owned or the first one I played?

give us both

Played: SNES
Owned: N64

Even after getting an N64, I played the SNES much more.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2012, 02:18:19 PM
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The first one I owned or the first one I played?

give us both

Played: SNES
Owned: N64

Even after getting an N64, I played the SNES much more.

Let's be fair, with the level of support the n64 got you would have played any console more
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: ManaByte on April 14, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
Get in bed with Sony or Apple, then we're talking.

Tim Cook was at Valve HQ yesterday...
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: ManaByte on April 15, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
http://www.cultofmac.com/160760/why-apple-ceo-tim-cook-met-with-valve-exclusive/

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We’ve gotten word that Cook was indeed at Valve yesterday, and what’s more, Apple is planning a full-on assault to take over the living room. This assault won’t just be limited to the long-rumored Apple HDTV set, but will also include a revolutionary home console as well.

According to sources to Cult of Mac, Apple is working on a television set with an iTunes-integrated touch screen remote and Siri-like voice command technology. The TV set will be coming before the end of 2012. Rumors and patents have said as much for the past year, so that’s nothing new. But that’s not all we’ve heard.

Our sources also say that Apple’s television set will come with an Apple-branded, Kinect-like video game console. The interface will rely heavily on motion and touch controls.

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Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on April 15, 2012, 11:48:17 AM
Great,Appletards gaming forums invasion imminent.

 :yuck
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2012, 12:22:28 PM
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The interface will rely heavily on motion and touch controls.

I'm out.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: archie4208 on April 15, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Now I'm more interested, if only for the forum banter when it is a runaway success.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2012, 12:25:27 PM
Now I'm more interested, if only for the forum banter when it is a runaway success.

:fbm
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2012, 12:25:45 PM
Now I'm more interested, if only for the forum banter when it is a runaway success.

I'll probably alternate between enjoying fanboys wailing about apple come to take their precious and wanting to hang myself over what videogames have become.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: magus on April 15, 2012, 12:28:45 PM
no longer interested  :yuck

ready to waggle all over again sir!
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on April 15, 2012, 12:35:01 PM
Now I'm more interested, if only for the forum banter when it is a runaway success.

If Apple can make $40 million budget games profitable for $10 per copy,fine by me.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2012, 12:54:11 PM
"iTunes integrated touchscreen remote"

What does that even mean? It's an iPod Touch without apps? If it's capacitive that'll be a big chunk of money. I don't buy that they'd do this when everyone using it will have an iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad already, just put an app out for those.

Don't buy that rumor.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Momo on April 15, 2012, 01:11:04 PM
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Kinect-like
:'(
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on April 15, 2012, 01:32:11 PM
"iTunes integrated touchscreen remote"

What does that even mean? It's an iPod Touch without apps? If it's capacitive that'll be a big chunk of money. I don't buy that they'd do this when everyone using it will have an iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad already, just put an app out for those.

Don't buy that rumor.

sometimes people refer to touchpads as touchscreens.  it could just mean it's a touchpad remote.  I think samsung already has tvs with kinect functionality and touchpad remotes with gestures.


if this is real it might be cool, I guess.  Not if it's a whole new display.  I liked the idea of a steambox more, in that it's something like the alienware x51 but not as expensive, large, and solely for playing games.  If it was somewhere between the Apple TV and Mac Mini, then yeah, I might be into that.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Positive Touch on April 15, 2012, 03:18:14 PM
so basically it'll be like running your ipad through the tv, but more integrated?  great; i had been hoping the next gen would offer something like this anyway!
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 15, 2012, 06:52:10 PM
capacitive touch screens aren't really expensive anymore, andrex, nintendo are just cheap fucks
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on April 15, 2012, 09:54:04 PM
Why would Apple team up with Valve for a console and vice versa?  Apple would want iTunes on it and nothing else, Valve would want Steam on it and probably nothing else.  Apple wouldn't need Valve's games because all they need to do is make the thing and people will put games on it.  Basically, what would God want with a spaceship?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 15, 2012, 10:12:05 PM
any one device that combines the App Store and Steam probably shouldn't exist for the chance of monopolizing the industry too fast.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2012, 10:29:52 PM
any one device that combines the App Store and Steam probably shouldn't exist for the chance of monopolizing the industry too fast.

It's important to remember consumers buy games, not platforms. Valve's games alone won't guarantee any measure of success, nor will Apple's pedigree alone.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
any one device that combines the App Store and Steam probably shouldn't exist for the chance of monopolizing the industry too fast.

It's important to remember consumers buy games, not platforms. Valve's games alone won't guarantee any measure of success, nor will Apple's pedigree alone.

U SKURRED?

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U SKURRED
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2012, 10:42:03 PM
I think Apple would be incredibly smart to put out a game console but never actually call it a game console. A product that's essentially an evolution of the ipad which itself is a stealth game console but isn't called a game console.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2012, 10:51:13 PM
I think Apple would be incredibly smart to put out a game console but never actually call it a game console. A product that's essentially an evolution of the ipad which itself is a stealth game console but isn't called a game console.

This.  Brand it the iLife or whatever, you can stream videos on it, load videos on it, and also dl shit via steam and play it on there.  One stop living room entertainment box that will finally do away with this lame multi-console reality we suffer from.

BRING ON OUR APPLE/GABE OVERLORDS
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2012, 10:53:12 PM
Also, why not just completely bypass cable?  Hbo could offer streaming stuff.  Other channels could follow suit or even try some sort of subscription package where you get the channel over the internets.  No more fucking terrible cable packages where I have to have the outdoors network and 9 espns.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: ManaByte on April 15, 2012, 10:58:53 PM
"iTunes integrated touchscreen remote"

What does that even mean? It's an iPod Touch without apps? If it's capacitive that'll be a big chunk of money. I don't buy that they'd do this when everyone using it will have an iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad already, just put an app out for those.

Don't buy that rumor.

It'll probably be an iPod Touch like device but with an updated version of the iTunes Remote App. They would probably release a version of the app for existing iPhone/Touch/iPad users as well. You can already control iTunes and AppleTV using your iOS device. So I don't see how hard it is to buy the rumor as the functionality has existed for years...
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2012, 10:59:58 PM
I think Apple would be incredibly smart to put out a game console but never actually call it a game console. A product that's essentially an evolution of the ipad which itself is a stealth game console but isn't called a game console.

This.  Brand it the iLife or whatever, you can stream videos on it, load videos on it, and also dl shit via steam and play it on there.  One stop living room entertainment box that will finally do away with this lame multi-console reality we suffer from.

BRING ON OUR APPLE/GABE OVERLORDS

Google already did this, it's called Google TV. Full Market/Play and HTML5/Chrome game support. The Revue was a game console in everything but name.

Unfortunately Apple's reality distortion field will probably trick a bunch of rubes into buying whatever they put out, like they always do.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: ManaByte on April 15, 2012, 11:09:23 PM
I think Apple would be incredibly smart to put out a game console but never actually call it a game console. A product that's essentially an evolution of the ipad which itself is a stealth game console but isn't called a game console.

This.  Brand it the iLife or whatever, you can stream videos on it, load videos on it, and also dl shit via steam and play it on there.  One stop living room entertainment box that will finally do away with this lame multi-console reality we suffer from.

BRING ON OUR APPLE/GABE OVERLORDS

Google already did this, it's called Google TV. Full Market/Play and HTML5/Chrome game support. The Revue was a game console in everything but name.

Unfortunately Apple's reality distortion field will probably trick a bunch of rubes into buying whatever they put out, like they always do.

And it'll kill the Wii U just like the iPhone killed off the 3DS.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: drew on April 15, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
would buy
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
I think Apple would be incredibly smart to put out a game console but never actually call it a game console. A product that's essentially an evolution of the ipad which itself is a stealth game console but isn't called a game console.

This.  Brand it the iLife or whatever, you can stream videos on it, load videos on it, and also dl shit via steam and play it on there.  One stop living room entertainment box that will finally do away with this lame multi-console reality we suffer from.

BRING ON OUR APPLE/GABE OVERLORDS

Google already did this, it's called Google TV. Full Market/Play and HTML5/Chrome game support. The Revue was a game console in everything but name.

Unfortunately Apple's reality distortion field will probably trick a bunch of rubes into buying whatever they put out, like they always do.

Fact- you're just jelly.  If Nintendo could inspire that sort of frothing demand for it's products, you'd just sit there and smugly tell us how awesome they were.  You're a really annoying little twerp.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2012, 11:39:52 PM
I think Apple would be incredibly smart to put out a game console but never actually call it a game console. A product that's essentially an evolution of the ipad which itself is a stealth game console but isn't called a game console.

This.  Brand it the iLife or whatever, you can stream videos on it, load videos on it, and also dl shit via steam and play it on there.  One stop living room entertainment box that will finally do away with this lame multi-console reality we suffer from.

BRING ON OUR APPLE/GABE OVERLORDS

Google already did this, it's called Google TV. Full Market/Play and HTML5/Chrome game support. The Revue was a game console in everything but name.

Unfortunately Apple's reality distortion field will probably trick a bunch of rubes into buying whatever they put out, like they always do.

And it'll kill the Wii U just like the iPhone killed off the 3DS.

Yes, exactly like that.

As in, it hasn't happened and won't happen. I don't know why this is a point of contention. People play games, not hardware. They'll go where the games are. If Valve can moneyhat a whole slew of third party developers it might be an interesting venture, but I don't think that's what would happen.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2012, 11:41:05 PM
Fact- you're just jelly.  If Nintendo could inspire that sort of frothing demand for it's products, you'd just sit there and smugly tell us how awesome they were.  You're a really annoying little twerp.

I just don't like Apple. TBH I'm not that much of a Nintendo fan, nowadays. I like them, but you're off the mark if you ever think I would seriously ever say how awesome it is that Nintendo has blind cultists. I never said that even when I was a massive fanboy, even though it was true (as evidenced, by, well, my prior self.)

Glad to know you have a completely wrong interpretation of me in your head, though. It's an entertaining thought.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2012, 12:02:52 AM
Probably.  People who like Nintendo genuinely enrage me, though.  I firmly believe that they're not good for videogames in general.  I usually try not to BELIEVE anything, either- if you can categorize ways to view things as believing, knowing or thinking then imo they're listed previously in ascending order of usefulness.  I guess there's just something about a console manufacturer that inspires idiot manchildren to assert that KIRBY AIR RIDE really gets going around hour 40 solely because they're running damage control on an online forum for their side in the console wars that I find unforgivably terrible, and in need of sterilization.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on April 16, 2012, 12:13:07 AM
You are just hurting yourself.  And I ordinarily wouldn't care, but the empathetic embarrassment response I get is pretty annoying, especially because you don't seem to feel any at all.  Maybe you should start.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2012, 12:23:22 AM
Probably.  People who like Nintendo genuinely enrage me, though.  I firmly believe that they're not good for videogames in general.  I usually try not to BELIEVE anything, either- if you can categorize ways to view things as believing, knowing or thinking then imo they're listed previously in ascending order of usefulness.  I guess there's just something about a console manufacturer that inspires idiot manchildren to assert that KIRBY AIR RIDE really gets going around hour 40 solely because they're running damage control on an online forum for their side in the console wars that I find unforgivably terrible, and in need of sterilization.

oh this is stupid man.  :lol

Nintendo can be sucky a lot of the times, but they've also happened to make some of the best video games in the last two console generations.  Their software teams are awesome.  Blame their awful corporate structure.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 12:28:53 AM
Probably.  People who like Nintendo genuinely enrage me, though.

I figured that's what this comes down to. Doesn't matter the degree to which I like Nintendo, you just group all of us together.

Can't be helped I guess, but I'd figure you'd have gotten to know me by now.

I firmly believe that they're not good for videogames in general.

I can't not respond to this in a way that won't spawn a three-page argument, so I'll say I think you're... probably wrong about that.

I guess there's just something about a console manufacturer that inspires idiot manchildren to assert that KIRBY AIR RIDE really gets going around hour 40 solely because they're running damage control on an online forum for their side in the console wars that I find unforgivably terrible, and in need of sterilization.

If you could find me a similar example of this on GAF, I might be a little more empathetic to your view. Otherwise it just sounds like you're making stuff up and spreading FUD about a fanbase that, for the most part, just enjoys playing Nintendo's games. The fact that they enjoy doing so is what enrages you and causes you to fabricate or hyperbolize things.

I don't doubt there are some real crazies out there, but I've never seen anything close to that Kirby Air Ride example personally. Back in my G4 days I might have been close, but I was easily the worst.

ὁ αἴσχιστος παῖς εἶ. Q.E.D.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Trent Dole on April 16, 2012, 12:29:03 AM
Probably.  People who like Nintendo genuinely enrage me, though.  I firmly believe that they're not good for videogames in general.  I usually try not to BELIEVE anything, either- if you can categorize ways to view things as believing, knowing or thinking then imo they're listed previously in ascending order of usefulness.  I guess there's just something about a console manufacturer that inspires idiot manchildren to assert that KIRBY AIR RIDE really gets going around hour 40 solely because they're running damage control on an online forum for their side in the console wars that I find unforgivably terrible, and in need of sterilization.

oh this is stupid man.  :lol

Nintendo can be sucky a lot of the times, but they've also happened to make some of the best video games in the last two console generations.  Their software teams are awesome.  Blame their awful corporate structure.
Yep. Love some of their games, fucking hate their business practices. There's a reason long time gamer fucks wish they'd go third party. Imagine a Mario with current gen tech or even better a Zelda with an actual budget that didn't just recycle three cliched environments for 50 hours. :drool
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 12:31:47 AM
Yep. Love some of their games, fucking hate their business practices. There's a reason long time gamer fucks wish they'd go third party. Imagine a Mario with current gen tech or even better a Zelda with an actual budget that didn't just recycle three cliched environments for 50 hours. :drool

TBH they'd probably stick to handheld games, except for maybe the one-off Mario or Smash.

It's a neat idea to think about but I do appreciate that however misguided they may be, their hardware introductions generally at least keep things fresh. What a boring, stagnant industry if we just had PS3, 360, and PSP this gen. I imagine the developer bloodbath would have been even worse.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2012, 12:40:15 AM
Nintendo's got some great teams, but too often, especially lately, corporate's just not really letting them do anything.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 16, 2012, 12:46:04 AM
i don't give a 10th of a fuck about console wars and even i can tell you that for the past several years a good majority of nintendo fans countered any criticism perceived or real with that "it prints money" gif (or some variation thereof)
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2012, 12:51:46 AM
I like nintendo software. Hate Nintendo hardware and their policies and corpororate philosophies that limit the software that appears on their hardware. Therefore I no longer buy their hardware. Unfortunate but that's the way I feel.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on April 16, 2012, 12:53:27 AM
Yep. Love some of their games, fucking hate their business practices. There's a reason long time gamer fucks wish they'd go third party. Imagine a Mario with current gen tech or even better a Zelda with an actual budget that didn't just recycle three cliched environments for 50 hours. :drool

Agreed, but I'll also add that I dislike its hardware.  Not talking about power either; more the overall cheapness.  It'd be great if people at Nintendo took a look at the Gameboy Micro and set that as its standard.


Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2012, 12:56:56 AM
I'm just gonna say this about Nintendo, and maybe we can get back to talking about a potential valve/apple team up or an imaginary steambox.

For as long as I can remember, every single hardware decision they've made has been either archaic or gimmick driven, or in some cases both.  The fact that you (andrex) think waggle drove the industry in interesting new directions instead of that it was a pox on the realm demonstrates that you don't think right.  Online is a fad, but waggle is an interesting new direction for videogames to go in.  Sure.  Ok.  That kool aid must be awesome. 

And that is why Nintendo, and by relation their bigger, die hard fans are shitty for the industry.  Instead of moving forwards, you want to either take a step sideways into whimsy land or anchor your ass in last gen's assets and call it an exciting new direction.  You. are. bad. for. videogames.  Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Vizzys on April 16, 2012, 12:59:24 AM
consoles are bad for videogames, buy a video card you bastards
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2012, 01:00:09 AM
consoles are bad for videogames, buy a video card you bastards

I LOVE YOU VIZ
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 16, 2012, 01:01:50 AM
I'm not really interested in a Valve or Apple console as I have a decent PC that's already hooked up to my TV, but whenever I can afford another iPad (sometime around 2035, from the looks of things) if Apple came out with a TV dock and a bluetooth controller I'd probably buy those in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2012, 01:04:39 AM
I don't own a nice tv, but one of my next purchases now that I've picked up more hours at work is gonna be a nice, bigger monitor for my pc. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 16, 2012, 01:05:57 AM
my tv's a 5 year old vizio

pretty much any lcd/plasma tv nowadays has pc inputs, even the dirt cheap walmart-specific hdtvs
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on April 16, 2012, 01:06:44 AM
My favorite part of the original steambox rumor was the controller valve patented.  Modular parts with trackball and trackpad options.  I can have comfy couch gaming and aim properly!
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 01:06:58 AM
For as long as I can remember, every single hardware decision they've made has been either archaic or gimmick driven, or in some cases both.

Carts for DS was gimmick driven? The analog stick is archaic? Rumble is either?

The fact that you (andrex) think waggle

Waggle? No. And for most games, it was unfortunately out of place. It did lead to some very fresh gameplay experiences, though, but publisher mandates early on in the Wii's lifecycle really gave "motion control" (derogatory: waggle) a bad name.

Similarly, Kinect for the vast majority of games is useless, but as evidenced by Skyrim voice control has some interesting secondary applications. Like motion control and IR (two different things, mind.)

Online is a fad

Again putting words in my mouth and setting up this imaginary strawman Ninthing you think everybody who enjoys Nintendo's games must be like. Get over yourself and grow up.

And that is why Nintendo, and by relation their bigger, die hard fans are shitty for the industry.  Instead of moving forwards, you want to either take a step sideways into whimsy land or anchor your ass in last gen's assets and call it an exciting new direction.

I dare you to go into the Wii U speculation thread on GAF (a set of threads that even I stay away from, for sanity's sake) and find one poster, one poster saying it would be a good thing if Wii U was underpowered. There's your homework for tonight, kid.

Anybody who likes Nintendo's output (which, really, has actually been really good compared to Capcom, or Konami, or heck most of the Japanese gaming industry this gen) always wants to see them do their best when it comes to hardware. I remember Matt Casamassina, subject of ridicule the net over for his Nintendo worship, flip his shit when he found out Wii wasn't going to be HD.

We don't condone these decisions, we don't enjoy them. We live with them, and try to find the good in things. Like IR, without which we wouldn't have a couple of my favorite games, especially my favorite Sega game of all time The House of the Dead: Overkill.

You. are. bad. for. videogames.  Have a nice day.

I will, since none of what you said even remotely applies to me. But if the only way you can get your rocks off is flinging insults wildly in a random direction, be my guest. You just won't look very smart doing it.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2012, 01:10:01 AM
I like nintendo software. Hate Nintendo hardware and their policies and corpororate philosophies that limit the software that appears on their hardware. Therefore I no longer buy their hardware. Unfortunate but that's the way I feel.

I don't even really hate Nintendo hardware, itself.  The Gamecube and the Wii are really well-designed consoles, and incredibly efficient.  It's just that, yeah, the Wii is just fucking old.

I don't mind motion controls either, but I DO mind Nintendo's insistence that developers shoe-horn it in.  Same with 3D, but that seems to be an industry wide issue.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: pilonv1 on April 16, 2012, 01:10:44 AM
why would they need to money hat anyone?

Exactly, people need to realise that large third party exclusives are dead, a relic from another era. There's no benefit for third parties limiting their opportunities by tying themselves to one platform and no hardware manufacturer is ever again going to gain enough from the cost of securing one.

If companies cannot see the benefit of having their software on as many platforms as possible then they're not going to last very long.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on April 16, 2012, 01:13:27 AM
re: waggle

What I consider waggle is when a binary input is mapped to shaking the controller.  Pointer controls, which're great and briefly revived light and rail gun shooters, and are the preferred control option in sin and punishment 2, are another story.  Same with motion plus / PS move.

edit:  or even tilting in Kororinpa.  it's just that most games use waggle (lazily).
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2012, 01:13:57 AM
It's hard for me to imagine a Mario on "current gen tech," just because my first thought is a bump-mapping Mario game.  But I'm sure that won't be the case.  Only thing I can think of with current gen tech is a bunch of zany shit happening everywhere.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: pilonv1 on April 16, 2012, 01:19:46 AM
I'm not really interested in a Valve or Apple console as I have a decent PC that's already hooked up to my TV, but whenever I can afford another iPad (sometime around 2035, from the looks of things) if Apple came out with a TV dock and a bluetooth controller I'd probably buy those in a heartbeat.

That's why i don't get the Apple tv set + console rumours. TV business is about low margins and has reached saturation. They could instantly own living rooms with some sort of docking station console without the need to invest so heavily in screens, as the hardware is already out there.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2012, 01:21:32 AM
Nintendo would never make a NES Zelda ever again, no matter what hardware they had.  I love it but the reasons why I like it are basically fuck-offs to modern gamers at large.  The only thing Dark Souls and Zelda have in common are that neither coddle the player terribly much.

I don't even really like the NES Zeldas very much  :ninja
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on April 16, 2012, 01:55:18 AM
ok lets talk about whats wrong with zelda now
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2012, 02:01:28 AM
ok lets talk about whats wrong with zelda now

I don't think there's much wrong with modern Zelda games.  I am firmly in the camp that thinks Twilight Princess was totally awesome.  Older Zeldas suffer from the limitations of the hardware and design mentalities of the era and are probably better remembered through the lens of nostalgia than trying to replay them.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2012, 02:04:39 AM
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Nintendo would never make a NES Zelda ever again, no matter what hardware they had.  I love it but the reasons why I like it are basically fuck-offs to modern gamers at large.  The only thing Dark Souls and Zelda have in common are that neither coddle the player terribly much.

the big thing is i've had talks with several Nintendo fans who bring this up and for some of them it's akin to giving Nintendo credit for something they had absolutely nothing to do with.

The feeling of adventure, the lack of handholding? Sure i can see that early Zelda's made you feel that way - but that's akin to pretty much any old school game.

Yeah, I feel the same way about Metroid.  Some of the things that lots of people (including myself) love about it are I'm sure just a happy byproduct of the limits of the tech/design choices of the time.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2012, 02:20:11 AM
barf, NES Metroid is even worse than NES Zelda.  Super Metroid and the Prime series is all I need.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: magus on April 16, 2012, 06:33:55 AM
there hasn't been a good nintendo game since the first super mario galaxy

FACT
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2012, 08:13:20 AM
shut up magoose
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Positive Touch on April 16, 2012, 08:23:49 AM
no, he's right
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 08:33:40 AM
no, he's right

Pokemon HGSS and BW came out. ???
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: magus on April 16, 2012, 09:17:08 AM
also a quiz for borys
http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewtopic.php?t=35279

there have been plenty, especially considering we're working with magoose's standards here

oscar and andrex waggling under a tree

Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 09:33:47 AM
also a quiz for borys
http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewtopic.php?t=35279

I know which ones are about Twilight Princess, read IGN's review like four times before I played the game. :-\ Can probably guess most of the others, especially Skyward Sword, too.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 10:42:23 AM
rhythm tengoku wagglefaggle

:lol

probably some pokefag shit

:maf

list of useful things magoose has done with his life since super mario galaxy:

fuck all, nada, shit all of nothing, can't think of anything really

:lol
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: magus on April 16, 2012, 11:12:49 AM
also a quiz for borys
http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewtopic.php?t=35279

oscar and andrex waggling under a tree

erm, you're more of a wiitard than i am.  weren't you trumpeting about rhythm tengoku not that long ago?

anyway, thou hast invoked list wars and i shall oblige.  some good nintendo games post super mario galaxy the first:

new super mario bros wii, super mario galaxy 2, sin and punishment 2, xenoblade, rhythm tengoku wagglefaggle, the art style games, advance wars days of ruin, band brothers dx, rhythm tengoku inept stylus edition, bowser rpg, picross 3d, probably some pokefag shit, super mario 3d land, mario kart 7, pushmo

they are also the sole reason dq6 and dq9 got english releases.

list of useful things magoose has done with his life since super mario galaxy:

fuck all, nada, shit all of nothing, can't think of anything really

SHUT UP YOU ARE NOT MY FATHER *goes crying in his room* :'(

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aren't half of those titles just published by nintendo like xenoblade and sin & punishment 2? when i says nintendo sucks i mean nintendo EAD,and other than making lame version of zelda and mario they have done squat nothing,rhythm tengoku is probably the only title worth any damn... so fuck them! also you forgot donkey kong country return :maf
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Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2012, 11:17:04 AM
Monolith Soft is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Nintendo.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 11:27:48 AM
Yeah Monolith and Retro are first party, heck they're more "Nintendo" than Game Freak is.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Momo on April 16, 2012, 12:13:46 PM
oh i didn't forget donkey kong country returns.  i didn't forget it at all.
that thread
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on April 16, 2012, 12:19:11 PM
I really liked donkey kong country returns outside of those horrible rocket and railcar levels.  Surprised me since I actively disliked the donkey kong country series before it.  Jungle Beat is still the better game, but that didn't have 'country' in the title.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on April 16, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
there's a homebrew solution for using the classic controller on dkcr.  it just moves waggle to a button press.

I remember reading some line from Sakurai about how Miyamoto despised user options like customizing control and difficulty levels, something about how the game should be played one way.

and I would argue that mario and luigi 3 is pretty far from a good game.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Momo on April 16, 2012, 12:35:47 PM
that thread was about DKC1 and DKC2, both of which are some of the most hilariously beloved mediocre games of all-time.

dkcr would be fine if it didn't have idiotic waggle but nintendo
I never really got why people liked that game past the period it came out. Sure it has some great animations and a very striking looking game for the age, but everything else was meh. (I only played the game late in the 2000's)

there's a homebrew solution for using the classic controller on dkcr.  it just moves waggle to a button press.

I remember reading some line from Sakurai about how Miyamoto despised user options like customizing control and difficulty levels, something about how the game should be played one way.

and I would argue that mario and luigi 3 is pretty far from a good game.
senile old man
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: tiesto on April 16, 2012, 12:56:33 PM
I really liked donkey kong country returns outside of those horrible rocket and railcar levels.  Surprised me since I actively disliked the donkey kong country series before it.  Jungle Beat is still the better game, but that didn't have 'country' in the title.

Yup, my thoughts exactly... was never a fan of the SNES DKC games (especially the first one... the most ham-fisted level design ever), but enjoyed DKC:R outside of the rocket/railcar levels and the "waggle to roll and blow stuff".
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 12:57:28 PM
Oh good another DKC discussion. :-\

I'll always have a nostalgia-on for 2 but I think we can agree the games had great presentation (graphics for the time, music) but slightly off collision detection and character design that has not withstood the test of time. I also felt in terms of level gimmicks, DKC1 was very bland while DKC3 was really stupid most of the time; DKC2 stands out for having the most good ones (roller coasters, hopping on hot air balloons, etc.) These gimmicks were employed like the ones in NSMBW (which is why that game is also good) in that whole levels were dedicated to them, and they only lasted one level. Very little was repeated and I really appreciated that.

Returns was a pretty good game (aside from the obscenely stupid waggle), but something about it never clicked with me. It felt kind of boring and soulless for some reason. Maybe it's because the music was just there. It would be nearly impossible to surpass the original games but it could have been much better.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: magus on April 16, 2012, 01:13:40 PM
oh i didn't forget donkey kong country returns.  i didn't forget it at all.

you don't like it oscar? DKCR is great,pisses all over new super mario bros in a way it can't be described,look at all this glorious shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7wdsOhOgtg

new super mario bros,ehy look you can waggle the torch on top of the boat :derp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gEMDDxVgiI
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 01:27:04 PM
oh i didn't forget donkey kong country returns.  i didn't forget it at all.

you don't like it oscar? DKCR is great,pisses all over new super mario bros in a way it can't be described

Except for level design, music, and controls (the waggle implementations are similar but works much, much better in NSMBW.)

If you mean the DS game, then yeah, that's almost DKC1 levels.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: magus on April 16, 2012, 01:29:09 PM
oh i didn't forget donkey kong country returns.  i didn't forget it at all.

you don't like it oscar? DKCR is great,pisses all over new super mario bros in a way it can't be described

Except for level design, music, and controls (the waggle implementations are similar but works much, much better in NSMBW.)

If you mean the DS game, then yeah, that's almost DKC1 levels.

ahahahahahahah

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx5lqyG19e1qaa7gwo1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2012, 01:41:00 PM
If you guys are gonna fight for my amusement, please wait until I've finished making popcorn.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2012, 01:48:56 PM
oh i didn't forget donkey kong country returns.  i didn't forget it at all.

you don't like it oscar? DKCR is great,pisses all over new super mario bros in a way it can't be described

Except for level design, music, and controls (the waggle implementations are similar but works much, much better in NSMBW.)

If you mean the DS game, then yeah, that's almost DKC1 levels.

ahahahahahahah

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx5lqyG19e1qaa7gwo1_400.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/gP8hL.gif)
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2012, 08:53:41 PM
I fucking loved DKCR, come at me bros
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Timber on April 16, 2012, 08:55:20 PM
Yup DKCR is amazing. Looks like it's decided.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: chronovore on April 18, 2012, 10:38:14 AM
Why would Apple team up with Valve for a console and vice versa?  Apple would want iTunes on it and nothing else, Valve would want Steam on it and probably nothing else.  Apple wouldn't need Valve's games because all they need to do is make the thing and people will put games on it.  Basically, what would God want with a spaceship?

The thing is, Apple still thinks of itself as a hardware company. They want control of the hardware you're holding, and they will make some very slick software to make that hardware more desirable. Putting some variant of Steam on it, which is essentially a software layer, does not run counter to Apple's interests.

Or they may just be looking to hire Cook.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2012, 07:46:50 PM
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Gabe Newell Says Valve-Apple Meeting Didn’t Happen

Apple CEO Tim Cook and Valve head Gabe Newell did not actually meet last week as rumored, according to a new podcast interview with Newell.

He squashed the week-old rumor in an interview with the fine folks at Seven Day Cooldown, who were kind enough to let us in on some early excerpts from the fascinating and far-ranging discussion with Newell. He didn't dodge the question:

We actually, we all sent mail to each other, going, "Who's Tim Cook meeting with? Is he meeting with you? I'm not meeting with Tim Cook." So we're... it's one of those rumors that was stated so factually that we were actually confused.

No one here was meeting with Tim Cook or with anybody at Apple that day. I wish we were! We have a long list of things we'd love to see Apple do to support games and gaming better. But no, we didn't meet with Tim Cook. He seems like a smart guy, but I've never actually met him.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: originalz on April 19, 2012, 09:36:24 PM
Games journalism strikes again!  Twice in the same thread, even.  Who actually needs to do any fact-checking these days?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on December 09, 2012, 02:03:04 PM
http://kotaku.com/5966860/gabe-newell-living-room-pcs-will-compete-with-next+gen-consoles

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Steam's Big Picture mode was just the first step: according to Valve boss Gabe Newell, you'll be able to buy a living-room-friendly PC package next year.

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Newell said he's expecting a lot of different companies to release these types of packages—"We'll do it but we also think other people will as well," he told me—and that Valve's hardware might not be as open-source or as malleable as your average computer.

"Well certainly our hardware will be a very controlled environment," he said. "If you want more flexibility, you can always buy a more general purpose PC. For people who want a more turnkey solution, that's what some people are really gonna want for their living room.

hmm

Sounds like a new console/entertainment box in the making.I guess it all depends how well it sells.

HL3 as a launch game?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 09, 2012, 02:38:19 PM
Think it will be just a prefab pc, not what gaf expects.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2012, 02:39:35 PM
I bought some snacks in preparation to read this thread again. Andrex's posts will be even more entertaining post WiiU launch
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on December 09, 2012, 02:50:31 PM
Think it will be just a prefab pc, not what gaf expects.

Yeah,I think so too.

But it will be just one configuration and that could be a pretty big thing.PC has a pretty big api overhead-- Carmack said that in order to match consoles you need 4x-5x more powerful PC.

With just one configuration you could significantly lower that,the question is will Valve bother?
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Huff on December 09, 2012, 02:51:41 PM
forgot how much this thread was ruined with ninfag shit
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2012, 02:53:07 PM
I'll say the same thing I said earlier. It comes down to price if its gonna be a mass market thing or not.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 09, 2012, 02:59:45 PM
Think it will be just a prefab pc, not what gaf expects.

Yeah,I think so too.

But it will be just one configuration and that could be a pretty big thing.PC has a pretty big api overhead-- Carmack said that in order to match consoles you need 4x-5x more powerful PC.

With just one configuration you could significantly lower that,the question is will Valve bother?

Haha I said the same thing about power in the GAF thread only to have blind Pc noobs tell me Im wrong which I know In not.

400/500 dollar Pc from 2005 wont run Far Cry 3 now, but a 360 will. The steambox would need a 2/3 year upgrade, still a step up if it could sell even million units, would give devs something to go by.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 09, 2012, 03:34:09 PM
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"Well certainly our hardware will be a very controlled environment," he said, and then continued on to complain about the Windows 8 app store some more.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2012, 05:08:44 PM
:bow one console future :bow2

:bow based gaben :bow2
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2012, 05:11:20 PM
I'm not sure if I should wait for steam box and pick up a new laptop or just build my own heavy duty pc
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2012, 05:19:48 PM
I was thinking about building a new pc but now I'm gonna wait for details of steam box.  Gonna get either a laptop or a surface next semester for sure though, it will be for school not gaming.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2012, 05:25:04 PM
My thing is, I need power FOR work so I dunno what route to take. I guess I could a PC and get a steam box down the line but that is redundant.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Fifstar on December 09, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
If you're somewhat pc literate, why would you buy a steam box? I would wait at least until it is out for half a year to see if games are actually optimized for it and if it's a good system.
Otherwise, building a gaming system right now is easy, just build a decently powerful pc and throw in a 150$ graphic card and you can play 80% of the games at high settings@60fps and the rest still at much better quality and higher fps than the consoles.

Heavy duty work pc and a tablet with a keyboard seem like the best bang for the buck too me, unless you need a laptop for work on the road.

Of course, if Valve prices it's box very competitivly it could be interesting, but closed system and pc are just two things that don't go together for me.
Title: Re: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: naff on December 09, 2012, 06:04:35 PM
If you're somewhat pc literate, why would you buy a steam box? I would wait at least until it is out for half a year to see if games are actually optimized for it and if it's a good system.
Otherwise, building a gaming system right now is easy, just build a decently powerful pc and throw in a 150$ graphic card and you can play 80% of the games at high settings@60fps and the rest still at much better quality and higher fps than the consoles.

Heavy duty work pc and a tablet with a keyboard seem like the best bang for the buck too me, unless you need a laptop for work on the road.

Of course, if Valve prices it's box very competitivly it could be interesting, but closed system and pc are just two things that don't go together for me.

As others have said earlier, with a locked down system theres the potential for better performance. More bang for your buck, more console like, less jiggery pokery involved just plug and pray
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: mjemirzian on December 09, 2012, 09:11:40 PM
I've got a lot of questions about how this is going to work, but I'm a Steam addict so I'll probably get one anyway.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 09, 2012, 09:43:57 PM
how much cheaper could a Steam box be than a PC you build yourself though...unless they go nuts and sell them at a loss and make up for it in game sales.  Which they could probably safely do.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2012, 09:47:10 PM
how much cheaper could a Steam box be than a PC you build yourself though...unless they go nuts and sell them at a loss and make up for it in game sales.  Which they could probably safely do.

They could probably put something together for about $400, I'd think.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 09, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
they could call it the Valve Gusher
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: cool breeze on December 09, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
I don't think it would be comparable to what you build, assuming you'd want a console-like PC.

Most small mini-ITX cases are still quite large compared to consoles.  The Alienware one is the comparable to the original PS3 but is pretty expensive.  I think it has an external power supply, which is why it's able to get smaller and more console-like.  And of course, gaming laptops are relatively small.

And I'm sort of amazed at the reaction to that free street fighter x mega man game.  Some people strangely don't view computers as gaming platforms.  So, maybe there is an audience for a PC-console-thing.
Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: D3RANG3D on December 09, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
I don't think it would be comparable to what you build, assuming you'd want a console-like PC.

Most small mini-ITX cases are still quite large compared to consoles.  The Alienware one is the comparable to the original PS3 but is pretty expensive.  I think it has an external power supply, which is why it's able to get smaller and more console-like.  And of course, gaming laptops are relatively small.

And I'm sort of amazed at the reaction to that free street fighter x mega man game.  Some people strangely don't view computers as gaming platforms.  So, maybe there is an audience for a PC-console-thing.

You are surprised about the way GAF unpeople behave?
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Why did I read that thrread :yuck
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Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: maxy on January 05, 2013, 01:42:18 PM
http://www.golem.de/news/pc-spielekonsole-steam-box-ohne-windows-1212-96609.html

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German site Golem.de attended a conference on the 29th of December where Ben Krasnow, Valve electronics engineer, talked ( among other stuff) about the company's plans for a Linux-based console. Here are the main takeaways from the article:

- Valve's console reveal  this year
- It will use Linux, not Windows
- Valve's hardware labs will reveal other stuff in 2013 (possibly controllers? VR?)
- Krasnow has been working on Valve hardware with Jeri Ellsworth since 2011
- Possible reveal at GDC, Phoronix thinks that E3 is more likely

So PC(Steam) feggits,will you buy?

War is coming  :punch

Modified it a little bit cuz article doesn't say anything about 2013 release,just reveal.

Title: Re: Valve making a console
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 02:08:32 PM
http://www.golem.de/news/pc-spielekonsole-steam-box-ohne-windows-1212-96609.html

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German site Golem.de attended a conference on the 29th of December where Ben Krasnow, Valve electronics engineer, talked ( among other stuff) about the company's plans for a Linux-based console. Here are the main takeaways from the article:

- Valve's console reveal  this year
- It will use Linux, not Windows
- Valve's hardware labs will reveal other stuff in 2013 (possibly controllers? VR?)
- Krasnow has been working on Valve hardware with Jeri Ellsworth since 2011
- Possible reveal at GDC, Phoronix thinks that E3 is more likely

So PC(Steam) feggits,will you buy?

War is coming  :punch

Modified it a little bit cuz article doesn't say anything about 2013 release,just reveal.


of course i won't buy.   The target market is people who don't own a gaming pc yet.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 05, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
If HL3 is a launch title, I'll buy it.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 02:16:44 PM
that'd be a good way to generate interest and get attention...to say the least. 

Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: cool breeze on January 05, 2013, 02:18:20 PM
I don't know how the linux will play out.  PC support is something like 1900 games.  Mac support? ~350.  Linux? ~40.

Still very interested in the controller Valve is working on.  If it's the modular pad patent with trackballs, trackpads, etc. it could turn out pretty great.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: archie4208 on January 05, 2013, 02:23:38 PM
What if there are exclusive TF2 hats for buying a Steambox?  :drool
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: maxy on January 05, 2013, 02:26:35 PM
Archie buying 10 Steamboxes then
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: SantaC on January 05, 2013, 02:35:40 PM
If HL3 is a launch title, I'll buy it.

whats so good about HL again. The first game was good due to the lack of quality fps on the market at the time. HL2 was ok, a graphical showing but the game itself wasnt anything special. 10 minute boat ride, 10 minute buggy ride, etc.

Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: maxy on January 05, 2013, 02:50:17 PM
My nostalgia tells me that I had lots of fun playing HL1,2.HL3 is a long awaited sequel and I would certainly check it up.

I doubt Valve would lock it to Steambox,that would anger their userbase...PC/Steambox only--maybe

Console peasants would get port sometime later,money is money.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 05, 2013, 04:13:37 PM
Linux?

This thing will be doa.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 04:36:48 PM
i've just given up that they're working on cool games.  They've got steam, they've got DOTA2, they've got hats...there's literally no incentive for the company to make HL3.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Huff on January 05, 2013, 04:37:51 PM
any interest I had pretty much dissolved with the linux aspect
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: originalz on January 05, 2013, 04:53:10 PM
If HL3 is a launch title, I'll buy it.

whats so good about HL again. The first game was good due to the lack of quality fps on the market at the time. HL2 was ok, a graphical showing but the game itself wasnt anything special. 10 minute boat ride, 10 minute buggy ride, etc.

Maybe they're showing their age now, but at the time of release the HL games were way beyond anything else on the market.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: archie4208 on January 05, 2013, 05:00:50 PM
I remember Doom 3 looking much better than HL2 at release.  Granted, I think HL2 has aged better visually because it has superior aesthetics.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2013, 05:08:00 PM
> LINUX

LOL
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 05, 2013, 06:14:43 PM
Sexy kernel compiling ooh yeahhh
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 05, 2013, 06:59:39 PM
Linux= Valve Games and Tux Racer.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2013, 07:05:51 PM
Sexy kernel compiling ooh yeahhh

But that's not inherent to the OS, is it? Surely there's a way to keep the kernel intact, and work around the one with which they ship.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
You guys are dumb.  Once the general public gets ahold of Linux, they'll realize they've been stuck in dualistic slavery between Microsoft and Apple their whole lives.  They'll marvel at open source software and the tight-knit community.  Games were the last step.  Then the revolution will begin. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 05, 2013, 08:12:48 PM
You guys are dumb.  Once the general public gets ahold of Linux, they'll realize they've been stuck in dualistic slavery between Microsoft and Apple their whole lives.  They'll marvel at open source software and the tight-knit community.  Games were the last step.  Then the revolution will begin.

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Nice most likely Neogaf copypasta bro :lol
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Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: naff on January 06, 2013, 02:47:52 AM
You guys are dumb.  Once the general public gets ahold of Linux, they'll realize they've been stuck in dualistic slavery between Microsoft and Apple their whole lives.  They'll marvel at open source software and the tight-knit community.  Games were the last step.  Then the revolution will begin.

:lol :fbm yeah the mainstream will never give a shit about Open Source. And I don't think they should but I don't see what's so funny about using Linux as a base for this console. Google did it and valve are killing it with steam but you guys know better than valve. Bomba confirmed
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: archnemesis on January 06, 2013, 02:54:21 AM
Using Linux is probably the only way to get the price low enough. It's still not very useful without DirectX support.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2013, 04:06:59 AM
You guys are dumb.  Once the general public gets ahold of Libertarianism, they'll realize they've been stuck in dualistic slavery between Republicans and Democrats their whole lives.  They'll marvel at the power of the individual, and the tight-knit community.  Guns were the last step.  Then the revolution will begin.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: archie4208 on January 06, 2013, 07:16:18 AM
The faster it bombs the faster I can get those exclusive hats.  :drool
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Momo on January 06, 2013, 08:49:45 AM
so long as it's cross compatible with regular ol' window steam. Dont want boritos to be left out in the cold on empty serbian servers filled with rats and dust.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: MCD on January 15, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
http://xi3.com/news.php?id=781
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2013, 08:00:07 PM
integrated graphics so no kind of a gaming device
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Tasty on January 15, 2013, 08:02:08 PM
:bow Linux :bow2
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
you must be very clever Andrex, since you use Linux

i am very impressed
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Tasty on January 15, 2013, 08:17:12 PM
you must be very clever Andrex, since you use Linux

i am very impressed

That's what they tell me.

Linux on my Chromebook~
Linux on my Android~
Linux on my laptop~

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Linux in my pants.

 :tauntaun
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Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 16, 2013, 03:25:16 AM
(http://extremetuxracer.com/screenshots/035/tux_sshot_10.jpg)
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2013, 03:56:31 AM
Ah, Penguin Frottage Racing. I remember that chestnut.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Momo on January 16, 2013, 03:57:31 AM
That is NOT pen pen tri-icelon
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Tasty on January 16, 2013, 10:34:14 AM
:bow (http://i.minus.com/ibeqC4zlilFGj7.png) :bow2
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 16, 2013, 01:06:25 PM
:bow (http://i49.tinypic.com/rrmh74.jpg) :bow2
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Tasty on January 16, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
What a surprise, an pseudo MS employee is slobbering on Gates pen0r. ::)
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 16, 2013, 01:20:06 PM
I'll never know why someone would shill for free, especially because of those NDAs
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Brehvolution on January 16, 2013, 01:23:19 PM
It's no Crayon Physics Deluxe, but it's an impressive list.

Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: hampster on January 16, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
LOL consoles. Razer just made the steam handheld  :bow2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WHgpKluW2U

Its dumb and expensive but I want one :drool
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 16, 2013, 01:36:32 PM
What a surprise, an pseudo MS employee is slobbering on Gates pen0r. ::)

 :lol
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2013, 12:54:18 AM
What a surprise, an pseudo MS employee is slobbering on Gates pen0r. ::)

 :lol

Sho Nuff reads this response, chuckles, and looks forward to a night on the town. Sho Nuff dons his moneyhat, moneycape, and ventures into the evening drizzle common to Washington state, and fires up his Windows8 Phone to have the on-loan, pre-release Microsoft SexBots drive the moneycar to the side wing of Sho Nuff Mansion.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2013, 01:31:26 AM
 :lol thebore has been on fire today
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: maxy on February 13, 2013, 01:02:24 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186592/Several_out_of_work_as_Valve_makes_large_decisions_about_its_future.ph#.URvVdh2gr0c

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Several employees were let go from Steam and Half-Life maker Valve on Tuesday, Gamasutra can confirm.

We've been unable to determine an exact headcount, but phrases we've heard from affected employees describing the incident include "great cleansing" and "large decisions." We've seen the number "25" tossed around, but are unable to confirm this.

We can, however, confirm that the cuts have affected more than one department, namely hardware and Android development.

Affected employees were asked not to speak about specifics, but the impression we get is that these cuts were driven more by company challenges than by individual performance issues.

Valve has not responded to our requests for clarification. This story will be updated as we learn more about what happened.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 13, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
Huh thats suprising.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 13, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
More like Half Life NON-maker, amirite
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2013, 01:34:11 PM
Still don't understand the market logic of a steambox where it makes business sense but whatevs.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 13, 2013, 01:35:28 PM
me neither.  it was intriguing because Valve was making it, but if anyone else was trying, I'd lol.  And the end result was sounding (and looking) pretty janky.   

That's without mentioning the problems people will have when they start buying and trying to run shit they have no business trying on that hardware.  Valve would need to open a full fledged technical service department to support it.  Or find some way to limit what people can buy on any Steam box...but how do you do that?   

I'm a bit surprised the idea managed to get such a strong foot hold in the company.  It was surreal seeing Valve discuss it like it was something they were releasing to the public soon. 

I don't think they're a small, cute homey company like Internet dreg think it is, but the Steam box would have to be taken as seriously and require as much attention as Steam itself to be a worthwhile endeavor, which they aren't big enough for as a software company.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: maxy on February 13, 2013, 03:09:34 PM
http://www.develop-online.net/news/43261/Jason-Holtman-leaves-Valve
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Jason Holtman has left Valve, Develop understands.

A reliable source has told us Valve's director of business has departed the company, although it is currently unclear as to the reasons for his exit.
The news follows the studio's decision to also fire hardware engineer Jeri Ellsworth, who had been working on prototype controllers for the upcoming Steam Box.
Gamasutra has also reported up to 25 employees have been let go from the company, mainly in the hardware and Android development divisions.
Holtman acted as one of the company's primary points of contact for devs using Valve's digital distribution platform Steam, playing a key role in developer relations at the studio, and has worked at the development giant since 2005.

The news of his departure will come as a shock to many, given has important role at the firm and the continued success of Steam, a platform driving the success of the PC games market.

Develop has contacted Valve for more details on the matter and we will update the story as soon as we learn anything.

What is going on?
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 13, 2013, 03:15:59 PM
oh shit, what's next, Gabe Newell caught on tape calling his internet fans "a bunch of sad little nerds with nothing better to spend their money on"
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Purple Filth on February 13, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
deciding to not release hardware after all?
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2013, 03:28:16 PM
It's a good thing andrex isn't here anymore, this would kill him  :'(
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: maxy on February 13, 2013, 03:32:53 PM
gaf
Quote
been just informed from a friend of mine who knows them:

Moby Francke, the art lead of TF2, is gone
Bay Raitt (lead of SFM) is gone too
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 03:46:04 PM
Sex scandal?
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Linux based,2013 reveal(release?)
Post by: bork on February 13, 2013, 03:54:17 PM
It's a good thing andrex isn't here anymore, this would kill him  :'(

He's just lurking.   :P
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 13, 2013, 04:00:00 PM
buyout

this year is gonna be fucking insane in the industry
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: maxy on February 13, 2013, 04:03:56 PM
Sony buying them? :teehee
How much is Valve worth these days,does Sony have enough money?
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2013, 04:06:10 PM
Always knew Valve was suspicious and here they are proving it!

These brave souls probably spoke up against Gabe's plot to monopolize the entire game industry and then shut it down running off with the loot.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: hampster on February 13, 2013, 04:20:49 PM
I wonder if 2012 wasn't as good as they hoped. The digital distribution market is getting rough, might be better for them to double down on what they do well and fight off competition there rather than enter the crowded console/hardware market

In other words - Gaben on blast!
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Sho Nuff on February 13, 2013, 04:35:06 PM
wow @ this decision
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2013, 04:36:52 PM
I think Valve should focus on what they are strong at. The Digital Distribution stuff and actual software development. I respect a lot of the good things they have done for the PC market but a lot of their behavior in recent years has been odd to me. The weird paranoia about windows 8 and apple. All this stuff about steamboxes, Wearable computing which sounds like the dumbest idea ever outside of niche stuff like the oculus rift and other niche stuff.

Just seems like too nuch focus on things outside of their core.


Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 13, 2013, 04:38:20 PM
They're getting rid of some extra people now that Half-Life 3 has gone gold.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: archie4208 on February 13, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Time to short my hat futures.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Vertigo on February 13, 2013, 04:49:13 PM
Good. Maybe they can go back to actually making games I want to play again.

And not HL something new please.

Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2013, 05:21:08 PM
Some more of the changes:
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Garry’s Mod creator Garry Newman tweets the appearance of a number of differences on Valve’s staff page seen through Diff Checker. The comparison tool indicates the removal of nine employee bios from the People section of Valve’s company page, listed below:

Quote
Moby Francke, Half-Life 2 character designer and Team Fortress 2 art lead
 Jason Holtman, director of business development for Steam and Steamworks
 Keith Huggins, character animator and animator for Team Fortress 2 “Meet the” video series
 Tom Leonard, software engineer for Half-Life 2 and Left 4 Dead
 Realm Lovejoy, artist for Half-Life 2, Portal, and Left 4 Dead. She was also part of the original DigiPen-turned-Valve team that created Narbacular Drop, the inspiration for Portal
 Marc Nagel, test lead for Half-Life, Counter-Strike, and patch updates
 Bay Raitt, animator for Half-Life 2, Team Fortress 2, and Portal
 Elan Ruskin, engine programmer for Left 4 Dead, Portal 2, and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
 Matthew Russell, animator for Team Fortress 2 “Meet the” video series
Just shows how suspicious everything Valve does is. Ubisoft is having employee riots over providing games to gamers and nobody is fired, meanwhile at Valve people are working hard on classic franchises and are thrown out on the street.

This is what Linux does to companies.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: etiolate on February 13, 2013, 05:41:27 PM
strange

I guess they felt they were overreaching into too may things.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Seems like a prime opportunity for Nintendo to purchase them. Reggie needs to cut the check.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 13, 2013, 07:18:38 PM
Seems like a prime opportunity for Nintendo to purchase them. Reggie needs to cut the check.

Gaben's making way too much money off of hats to want to sell Valve.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Purple Filth on February 13, 2013, 07:44:17 PM
Gabe reponds

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/13/valve-gabe-newell-layoffs-statement/

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"We don't usually talk about personnel matters for a number of reasons. There seems to be an unusual amount of speculation about some recent changes here, so I thought I'd take the unusual step of addressing them. No, we aren't canceling any projects. No, we aren't changing any priorities or projects we've been discussing. No, this isn't about Steam or Linux or hardware or [insert game name here]. We're not going to discuss why anyone in particular is or isn't working here."


Basically "nothing to see here"
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: chronovore on February 18, 2013, 04:44:07 AM
What a weird statement: It's unusual for us to say anything, but this situation has elicited a lot of speculation, so... we're still not saying anything.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 18, 2013, 07:57:58 AM
My tinfoil hat theory is that Microsoft paid off Valve not to release the steambox and that there will be a Steam client on the Durango.  So Gabe will have to keep his mouth shut (except for when he eats amirite) until E3, which explains his comment.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
PROBABLY
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 18, 2013, 10:15:42 AM
I was listening to Giant Bomb the other day, and someone mentioned that Valve doesn't owe the people waiting for HL3 anything, and while that is technically true, it's still pretty bullshit. Everyone seems to have forgotten Gabe shooting his mouth off about "episodic gaming" (lol), and every episode of HL2 ends on a cliffhanger. So yeah, as someone who bought the episodes under the assumption that I'd get an Episode 3 and the end of the story someday, I do think they owe me a bit of closure. I'm not asking for the world or anything, just for them to deliver what Gabe himself promised (again, people tend to forget this) - an end to the story. I give you money, you give me an ending, everybody's happy. I don't understand what's so hard about that. I was a bit invested in the world and the characters, and I want to put a straight fucking to those assholes who killed kindly old Benson. You're not painting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel*, motherfuckers, you're just making a pretty cool science fiction action game.


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* that only took four years, btw
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Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 18, 2013, 10:27:29 AM
Damn straight.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: archie4208 on February 18, 2013, 10:41:54 AM
I'd rather have hats and #ESPORTS over another scripted shooter.  :patel
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 18, 2013, 10:45:18 AM
don't you want the special golden headcrab hat you'll get from preordering half-life 3
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 18, 2013, 06:25:46 PM
After stuffing around with installing Ubuntu and Steam/TF2 last weekend I can't imagine this ever working.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Sho Nuff on February 18, 2013, 06:34:50 PM
Make HL3 a motion comic

Problem solved
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 06:41:34 PM
I am glad that there are a tiny handful of quality game companies that get to not rush out shit when the publisher says so. True, I don't know why it's taking so long but on the other hand, Aliens: Colonial Marines. Whenever the next Half-Life game hits, I will buy the shit out of it and have a great time, then expect nothing for 5 years minimum. If they want to burn through cash and time and employees to make me an incrementally better game and push the industry forward as well, I guess I'm OK with that!
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: chronovore on February 18, 2013, 08:01:33 PM
Make HL3 a motion comic

Problem solved
Who needs Half-Life 3 when you've already got that Half-Fife: Full Consequences movie?
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 08:12:47 PM
Make HL3 a motion comic

Problem solved

Mr T is very available
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: maxy on February 25, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
Gaf found this
Quote
Originally Posted by LinkedIn:
Doug Lombardi

Previous: Valve corporation, Sierra Online, CNET Networks

Experience

Valve corporation
VP of Marketing
Valve corporation
January 2000 – February 2013 (13 years 2 months)
Title: Re: Valve making a console...and losing some Steam at the moment(people fired)
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 25, 2013, 11:49:54 AM
kids, download your steam libraries and stock up on campbell's soup
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Rumor:Doug Lombardi has left Valve
Post by: maxy on February 25, 2013, 12:13:54 PM
Crisis averted, apparently
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 25, 2013, 12:16:53 PM
I was just about to post that the right troll in light of this news could turn GAF against Gaben, which would be funny.   

"anonymous" blog post about gabe secretly being a control freak ala Lance Armstrong
and you're done.  could prob still do it with the rest of the exodus
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2013, 12:27:26 PM
The Nintendo rumbling are sounding more and more true
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 01:33:07 AM
Quote
Talking about the procedural-generated horror series Left 4 Dead, Newell said, "you need to actually be able to directly measure how aroused the player is - what their heart rate is, things like that - in order to offer them a new experience each time they play." This would certainly open up potentially fascinating feedback loops between games and their players.

:poop

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-05-valve-expects-steam-box-prototypes-to-be-ready-within-four-months
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2013, 01:43:30 AM
i suggest, humbly, that some sort of Tanita scale be employed for feedback on game-induced physiques
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: Himu on March 06, 2013, 01:44:23 AM
Quote
Talking about the procedural-generated horror series Left 4 Dead, Newell said, "you need to actually be able to directly measure how aroused the player is - what their heart rate is, things like that - in order to offer them a new experience each time they play." This would certainly open up potentially fascinating feedback loops between games and their players.

:poop

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-05-valve-expects-steam-box-prototypes-to-be-ready-within-four-months

Yes this has nothing to do with E3.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2013, 01:54:51 AM
Vitality Sensor saved.

What if Nintendo packs in the upgrade dongle with it and a Valve exclusive.  :omg
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 02:06:46 AM
Maybe I'm just an unimaginative old stick in the mud but this idea of biometric data outside of anything related to fitness software just strikes me as a loser of a concept.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2013, 03:08:20 AM
How about the game companies just make me as excited and aroused as they possibly can

i mean, who wants 75%
Title: Re: Valve making a console...
Post by: maxy on March 06, 2013, 03:44:58 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21677119
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"We're working with partners trying to nail down how fast we can make it," Mr Newell told the BBC.

"We'll be giving out some prototypes to customers to gauge their reactions, I guess, in the next three to four months.

"There are noise issues and heat issues and being able to [deal with] that while still offering a powerful enough gaming experience is the challenge in building it."
Title: Re: Valve making a console...prototypes going out to customers in next 3 to 4 months
Post by: chronovore on March 06, 2013, 05:18:26 AM
Valve releases powerful SteamEngine.

System is so powerful that players can use any loading screen to play in the world's largest drop-in/drop-out TeamFortress Ultra game.

Valve makes a fortune on Hats.

Our gaming future is safe until the distributed network forms SkyNet and kills us all.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...prototypes going out to customers in next 3 to 4 months
Post by: Brehvolution on March 06, 2013, 09:51:10 AM
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Mr Newell told the BBC.

:teehee
Title: Re: Valve making a console...prototypes going out to customers in next 3 to 4 months
Post by: ManaByte on March 06, 2013, 10:31:06 AM
If I can play my 300+ steam games on this, I'm sold.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...prototypes going out to customers in next 3 to 4 months
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2013, 04:24:50 PM
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Steam press accounts gone?
Following a bunch of games press mention it on Twitter. What's going on? New policy or error?

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I know for a fact Phil Kollar, Matt Kessler and Arthur Gies just lost theirs. I don't think this is isolated to them, though.

(http://i.minus.com/isCAWacglNvKO.png)
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Steam press accounts mysteriously dissapearing
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 20, 2013, 04:35:24 PM
Bubububu~
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Steam press accounts mysteriously dissapearing
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 20, 2013, 04:36:58 PM
Steam does not need the gaming press.  If it isn't a mistake, then it probably isn't for a bad reason.

If it is for real, gaming press is gonna get exposed hardcore.  I feel like that's been happening a lot recently. 
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Steam press accounts mysteriously dissapearing
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2013, 04:50:57 PM
Looks like false alarm.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Steam press accounts mysteriously reapearing
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 20, 2013, 05:12:22 PM
Thank god, I can't take that much sodium in one day
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Steam press accounts mysteriously reapearing
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 20, 2013, 07:57:55 PM
Valve should make them tweet "Valve is awesome! #Gabeismydaddy" to get their accounts back.
Title: Re: Valve making a console...Steam press accounts mysteriously reapearing
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 20, 2013, 08:54:57 PM
hey, if it wasn't for Rock Paper Shotgun having a Steam press account, they'd never report on half the weird shit they do. It just lets them do their actual jobs, free of bias and needless expense