Like, what do entry level accounting peons start out at?
I have a job that has nothing to do with my two associates- it was actually my experience doing things LIKE what I currently do on the side as a hobby + contacts + getting through enough college to not look like im gonna flake + opportunity!
So yeah, im a lucky fuck. I try to remember that when I get all BLEH about something.
There's never enough school psychologists to meet the demand. We're federally required. Requires a Masters degree, though.
a fun fact from one of my econ books,
one accountant today equip with just excel is more productive than an entire army of a thousand or so accountants of a major company in the 1950s.
or something like that.
Like, what do entry level accounting peons start out at?
It depends, usually around 35-45k or so; in 2010 median pay was around 60k for accountants with B.S. degrees; I'd imagine that has lowered due to economy but it's still damn good. You can also look into book keeping jobs while you're in school.
Considering how everyone and their dog wants to be an accountant, I'm not sure its the land of milk and honey that people are proselytizing. Note how people talk about accounting are people who are currently in school for accounting or want to go to school for accounting. Best to talk to someone who is an entry level accountant in the "real world" instead of listening to hopeful students.
I'm not in school for accounting, nor do I want to be. My grandmother is an accountant, and two of my high school friends are accountants. I don't know about America (the country is a shitty black hole for jobs I guess?) but in Canada it's a well-paying job with extreme security. And there isn't exactly a swell of accountants either because all the people who rush in for the hot jobs are doing pharmacy or IT. Also the work is deadly boring and makes you want to die every day.
I don't know, I feel like facebook is a bubble waiting to burst any time soon.
thats crazy as hell. could you imagine the damage that could do if hackers gpt ahold of it
someone in my position ahs to be very safe on the internet alot of people get mad when i troll so they try to estalk me thats why all my profiles are private
Like, what do entry level accounting peons start out at?
I've been "jobless" for 3 years struggling and searching for work in the corresponding field I had experience in. Analytics and SEO look great on paper but I have none of the corresponding college education to back it up on my resume. I have a pretty impressive list of accomplishments while I was there but that still doesn't even get a glance due to my education.
Also the work is deadly boring and makes you want to die every day.
Web Development. Facebook especially. Not design, difference
i wish i had a lust for a subject in life. i never really liked anything except programming but my horrible skills at math make that something that wont ever happen :'(
Well that's not good, obviously. I only gave up when it came to hardcore calculus. Geometry is feh for me but I actually do love Algebra. Gotta thank the arabs for that.
Like, what do entry level accounting peons start out at?
A CPA firm hired me right after I got my bachelor's at 40k a year. This was with no experience / no CPA license. Job was total shit though; I hated doing tax returns, audits were slightly less bad. There is the potential to make serious bank doing public accounting if you ever make partner, but good luck with that. I'd second what people are saying and go straight to a private company. Will immediately make more money, not have to deal with idiot clients, etc. Had so many clients coming in after election day '08 panicking that they were gonna get taxed into oblivion or whatever. Oil companies in the south pay out the ass, but the rub is you have to live in the south.
Well that's not good, obviously. I only gave up when it came to hardcore calculus. Geometry is feh for me but I actually do love Algebra. Gotta thank the arabs for that.
exactly how much calc would do you need to know in order program comfortably when you just start to dabble in it? outside of derivatives, i really don't know how you'd even start to apply alot of the theorems taught in calculus to programming unless you're developing a 3d engine.
I got my bachelors in accounting in 2010 and I still can't get an accounting job. Maybe because the school I went to wasn't all that special. Or maybe it's because I live in NYC.Like, what do entry level accounting peons start out at?
A CPA firm hired me right after I got my bachelor's at 40k a year. This was with no experience / no CPA license. Job was total shit though; I hated doing tax returns, audits were slightly less bad. There is the potential to make serious bank doing public accounting if you ever make partner, but good luck with that. I'd second what people are saying and go straight to a private company. Will immediately make more money, not have to deal with idiot clients, etc. Had so many clients coming in after election day '08 panicking that they were gonna get taxed into oblivion or whatever. Oil companies in the south pay out the ass, but the rub is you have to live in the south.
What are you doing now?
What are you doing now?
Who does accounting and doesn't get their CPA?
Who does accounting and doesn't get their CPA?
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. A lot of it isn't straight up math, and the only hardcore math stuff is in optimizations and algorithms. The stuff I do is pretty straightforward.
I find this fascinating.I don't know, I feel like facebook is a bubble waiting to burst any time soon.
The whole social bubble is gonna burst soon enough. I was postulating that we'd see a myspace like departure from site based content to a central user based content. I don't know the how but I know its gonna happen. There's just too many networks and more coming every day. My thought is that eventually people will tire of having to take action to find and communicate. Eventually the user content is gonna just automatically generate everywhere.
While at Yahoo! we dabbled with our employee's data (those that shared willingly) of emails, phone logs, and their gps logs. We were able to create several algorithms that took that info and was able to match based on frequency contacted a "friendship pyramid." We then gave those in our test a place to post updates and it was able to detect who knew who automatically across everything. So when they posted or went somewhere it would populate for others to see that were in the "friendship pyramid" automatically. It got a bit out of hand as it was able to tell who was romantically involved based off of keywording. It even found more connections outside the test data using another algorithm from bing. Eventually we got the plug pulled on the project cause it was rather invasive. Like a facebook friend finder on steroids without all the fuss.
The sad truth is that the internet as a whole is gonna go through some growing pains here in the next few years. Cloud based computing, IP protection madness, and that grey zone known as privacy.
Are the Icons home-fathers? Is that what it is.
mr gundam how do you like teaching? I am seriously considering it.
Isn't that a guidance counselor? ???
oh i see cool, do you like it? what was your major psychology?
I make literally no money right now, work 60 hours a week and I have the best job on the 'bore. #suckit
Really? Why? So much more money.Well, you can't get it right away. You need experience, and you may need extra schooling to meet the education requirements (if your schools program doesn't cover all the credits). Then you have to take the exam. It can take multiple attempts, and if you don't pass all four parts after a certain amount of time you need to retake the parts you did pass. So some unlucky people just get stuck in a loop of taking and retaking the CPA exam.
I make $120,000 a year in engineering. I started off at $61,000 a year in 2009 and worked my way up mostly by taking lead on shit projects and high risk projects. There's a lot of change going on right now in basically every branch of engineering and if you have the intelligence and drive, the world is your oyster. It doesn't even need to be green technologies (which is seeing a huge influx anyway), just the rapid pace of technological progress opens up all kinds of interesting possibilities.
The downside is that engineering fucking sucks ass in school. Also, engineering isn't even close to a guaranteed job. For as much talk as there is about a shortage of STEM people, there are quite a few that are still having shitty luck finding an entry level job. There is basically no guaranteed job these days.
Can you just study for the CPA exams for a few weeks and pass them and start working? Or do you need the degree?
Can you just study for the CPA exams for a few weeks and pass them and start working? Or do you need the degree?
Depends on the state. My state requires a bachelors (can be in anything) but you need to take a certain amount of specific accounting undergrad courses. Also need 150 credit hours total; most typically go get their MBA to make up the extra hours, or do a dual bachelors. But as I said earlier, need the year of working under a CPA before you can get the license, regardless if you pass the exam.
I'm curious where the engineering guys are located that are having difficulty finding a job. That seems like the one field where oil companies are handing out jobs like candy more so than accounting.
Can you just study for the CPA exams for a few weeks and pass them and start working? Or do you need the degree?
i make a healthy amount of annual cash being a pushy, arrogant bastard. type b's forced into type a behaviors 4 LIFE, cuntdrips
:bow me :bow2
I got my CCNA and A+ certs in high school before my daughter was born because it was a quick program to hopefully have a decent job by the time she was born. It helped back then when people saw it on my resume (actually got me the job I'm doing now) but anything in actual computer repair or networking was off limits because I had no real experience in the field. And that was in fucking 2004 when the job market was great. I can't even imagine what it would be like now.I make $120,000 a year in engineering. I started off at $61,000 a year in 2009 and worked my way up mostly by taking lead on shit projects and high risk projects. There's a lot of change going on right now in basically every branch of engineering and if you have the intelligence and drive, the world is your oyster. It doesn't even need to be green technologies (which is seeing a huge influx anyway), just the rapid pace of technological progress opens up all kinds of interesting possibilities.
The downside is that engineering fucking sucks ass in school. Also, engineering isn't even close to a guaranteed job. For as much talk as there is about a shortage of STEM people, there are quite a few that are still having shitty luck finding an entry level job. There is basically no guaranteed job these days.
What field of engineering are you in?
I just finished my associates in Computer Engineering and need a job before I can finish the real degree. Wondering if I should stick with Computer, switch to Electrical or a different field.
Most of my calculus is done but I'll probably have to start over and do it again since I'm only through Calc 3 and I don't remember that shit anymore (did it in HS and 15+ years ago at Georgia Tech.) But I think I can handle the math, the rest is just the drive and desire to finish it off.
Finding a job has been a bitch and a half though :'( Got a few certs and some desktop repair/support experience but it's hard to even get an interview in the field. I'd really like to get into networking having my Network+ and studying for my CCNA but without experience I can't get an entry level job, so why should I even bother with the CCNA at this point until I actually get an entry level job.
Fucking thing sucks.
I make $120,000 a year in engineering. I started off at $61,000 a year in 2009 and worked my way up mostly by taking lead on shit projects and high risk projects. There's a lot of change going on right now in basically every branch of engineering and if you have the intelligence and drive, the world is your oyster. It doesn't even need to be green technologies (which is seeing a huge influx anyway), just the rapid pace of technological progress opens up all kinds of interesting possibilities.
The downside is that engineering fucking sucks ass in school. Also, engineering isn't even close to a guaranteed job. For as much talk as there is about a shortage of STEM people, there are quite a few that are still having shitty luck finding an entry level job. There is basically no guaranteed job these days.
My main problem is that I absolutely hate "marketing" myself or networking at all. I just want a transaction where I show up, show my credentials and get a job offer. I know this is completely unrealistic but whatever. I'm just terrible at any sort of networking or interviewing bullshit.
My main problem is that I absolutely hate "marketing" myself or networking at all. I just want a transaction where I show up, show my credentials and get a job offer. I know this is completely unrealistic but whatever. I'm just terrible at any sort of networking or interviewing bullshit.
The job market for software developers with certain skills on their resume is so insane right now that I still get like three calls a week from recruiters despite having taken my resume off Monster and not sent it out to anyone since I started my current job seven months ago. I doubt the situation will last though.
I got my CCNA and A+ certs in high school before my daughter was born because it was a quick program to hopefully have a decent job by the time she was born. It helped back then when people saw it on my resume (actually got me the job I'm doing now) but anything in actual computer repair or networking was off limits because I had no real experience in the field. And that was in fucking 2004 when the job market was great. I can't even imagine what it would be like now.I make $120,000 a year in engineering. I started off at $61,000 a year in 2009 and worked my way up mostly by taking lead on shit projects and high risk projects. There's a lot of change going on right now in basically every branch of engineering and if you have the intelligence and drive, the world is your oyster. It doesn't even need to be green technologies (which is seeing a huge influx anyway), just the rapid pace of technological progress opens up all kinds of interesting possibilities.
The downside is that engineering fucking sucks ass in school. Also, engineering isn't even close to a guaranteed job. For as much talk as there is about a shortage of STEM people, there are quite a few that are still having shitty luck finding an entry level job. There is basically no guaranteed job these days.
What field of engineering are you in?
I just finished my associates in Computer Engineering and need a job before I can finish the real degree. Wondering if I should stick with Computer, switch to Electrical or a different field.
Most of my calculus is done but I'll probably have to start over and do it again since I'm only through Calc 3 and I don't remember that shit anymore (did it in HS and 15+ years ago at Georgia Tech.) But I think I can handle the math, the rest is just the drive and desire to finish it off.
Finding a job has been a bitch and a half though :'( Got a few certs and some desktop repair/support experience but it's hard to even get an interview in the field. I'd really like to get into networking having my Network+ and studying for my CCNA but without experience I can't get an entry level job, so why should I even bother with the CCNA at this point until I actually get an entry level job.
Fucking thing sucks.
what's your skill set?My main problem is that I absolutely hate "marketing" myself or networking at all. I just want a transaction where I show up, show my credentials and get a job offer. I know this is completely unrealistic but whatever. I'm just terrible at any sort of networking or interviewing bullshit.
The job market for software developers with certain skills on their resume is so insane right now that I still get like three calls a week from recruiters despite having taken my resume off Monster and not sent it out to anyone since I started my current job seven months ago. I doubt the situation will last though.
My main problem is that I absolutely hate "marketing" myself or networking at all. I just want a transaction where I show up, show my credentials and get a job offer. I know this is completely unrealistic but whatever. I'm just terrible at any sort of networking or interviewing bullshit.
Talking specifically about the college "kids" like PD and FoC. "If I go this safe route, I'll make bank! It's guaranteed to happen!"
Talking specifically about the college "kids" like PD and FoC. "If I go this safe route, I'll make bank! It's guaranteed to happen!"
Talking specifically about the college "kids" like PD and FoC. "If I go this safe route, I'll make bank! It's guaranteed to happen!"
Tall words from someone who wants to study abroad in London because "It's cheaper"
I did well enough on my GMAT and in a few community college courses that I was accepted into the best accounting grad school in the country. I finally feel like I might have a future.Which school is this?
As an aside, the fact that most of you people are concentrating your efforts on America, especially when talking about MONEY is pretty narrow minded. If you guys want to make dough, try looking overseas. Not only will this look good on your resume in the future, you will be adding to a global and international culture as the world becomes more and more tightly knit and ESPECIALLY as America loses even more jobs and jobs continue going outside the country.
Try to predict trends and look to the future. Do not think in small term.
As an aside, the fact that most of you people are concentrating your efforts on America, especially when talking about MONEY is pretty narrow minded. If you guys want to make dough, try looking overseas. Not only will this look good on your resume in the future, you will be adding to a global and international culture as the world becomes more and more tightly knit and ESPECIALLY as America loses even more jobs and jobs continue going outside the country.
Try to predict trends and look to the future. Do not think in small term.
Tech startup scene is kind of pathetic outside the US, heck SV. NY and Boston are OK but aside from those three it's like a barren wasteland (thankfully, don't really want to move outside the country.)
Best nation ever. :usacry
That's exactly WHY you should jump in. If other countries are lacking in tech jobs, well guess what, buddy? They're probably trying to get some development in that area done.
Himu, I don't want to seem combative, but can you you help me understand why you are an authority on achieving success? Didn't you just get a job locally after a sustained period of unemployment? Mind you, I don't think your advice is terrible. I'm just trying to understand why you're so cocksure about it.
If you have extensive skills in three or more of the following you have it made in Cali: HTML5, JavaScript, Node, iOS dev, Android dev, jQuery, Git, Ruby.
Well my dream is to move to England because I love football more than anything. The problem is it's almost impossible to move into England and get a job because you have to proove you have a skill that a perosn in England can't do.
What do you guys think a job would be that would qualify as that? That's kind of waht pushed me towards like maybe History and education, but I think studying about American history might unqualify me.
If you have extensive skills in three or more of the following you have it made in Cali: HTML5, JavaScript, Node, iOS dev, Android dev, jQuery, Git, Ruby.
Random question: Is it at all difficult to learn this stuff in your free time. Not for a career or anything since I'm happy where I'm at. Just for 'fun' or to have a better understanding of software development, coding, w/e.
If you have extensive skills in three or more of the following you have it made in Cali: HTML5, JavaScript, Node, iOS dev, Android dev, jQuery, Git, Ruby.
Random question: Is it at all difficult to learn this stuff in your free time. Not for a career or anything since I'm happy where I'm at. Just for 'fun' or to have a better understanding of software development, coding, w/e.
Well my dream is to move to England because I love football more than anything. The problem is it's almost impossible to move into England and get a job because you have to proove you have a skill that a perosn in England can't do.
What do you guys think a job would be that would qualify as that? That's kind of waht pushed me towards like maybe History and education, but I think studying about American history might unqualify me.
The best way to move to UK is through schooling. If you go to school there, you will land connections while also having a Visa.
are history degres that bad i was going to go for one with a minor in education i wanan teach history
also holy crap some schools require atleast a 3.0 to do study abroad.Yup.
Himu, I don't want to seem combative, but can you you help me understand why you are an authority on achieving success? Didn't you just get a job locally after a sustained period of unemployment? Mind you, I don't think your advice is terrible. I'm just trying to understand why you're so cocksure about it.
If you have extensive skills in three or more of the following you have it made in Cali: HTML5, JavaScript, Node, iOS dev, Android dev, jQuery, Git, Ruby.
Random question: Is it at all difficult to learn this stuff in your free time. Not for a career or anything since I'm happy where I'm at. Just for 'fun' or to have a better understanding of software development, coding, w/e.
If you have extensive skills in three or more of the following you have it made in Cali: HTML5, JavaScript, Node, iOS dev, Android dev, jQuery, Git, Ruby.
Random question: Is it at all difficult to learn this stuff in your free time. Not for a career or anything since I'm happy where I'm at. Just for 'fun' or to have a better understanding of software development, coding, w/e.
NO
Just apply it to whatever you want. Make a fansite, make something you would deem useful. Make something that categorizes your gaming library.
Here's some useful links on "learning"
http://www.teamtreehouse.com/
http://www.codeacademy.com/
Look at examples on other websites, STEAL those examples. The idea is to understand why it works.
As an aside, the fact that most of you people are concentrating your efforts on America, especially when talking about MONEY is pretty narrow minded. If you guys want to make dough, try looking overseas. Not only will this look good on your resume in the future, you will be adding to a global and international culture as the world becomes more and more tightly knit and ESPECIALLY as America loses even more jobs and jobs continue going outside the country.
Try to predict trends and look to the future. Do not think in small term.
Tech startup scene is kind of pathetic outside the US, heck SV. NY and Boston are OK but aside from those three it's like a barren wasteland (thankfully, don't really want to move outside the country.)
Best nation ever. :usacry
w3schools documentation and tuts are just fine for a beginner.
Seattle/Portland are ok too
also holy crap some schools require atleast a 3.0 to do study abroad.A 3.0 isn't hard to get.
I like Chris Coyer's css-tricks as well, he always posts something useful or just "hey that's neat"
http://www.css-tricks.com/
I would also do Chris Coyier.
I love it, it's great fun for me but everyone's different. Then again I only have an appreciation for HTML5 and jQuery because I did things the hard(er) ways for a few years. Those two really amp things up and make dev fun again.
For me at least. The key is that you have to have an idea you want to mess around with and then go for it.
Games are piss easy to make. I was in college for a year on how to make games and I could've learned everything from that class just by buying a few books on how to develop.
http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Flash-Game-Programming-Dummies/dp/0764589628/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1334337395&sr=8-3
I loved this book alot. It's useless now that flash is dead, but it was great.
Also there's programs like StencylWorks, which literally require no programming skills to make a iOS or android games.
NO
Just apply it to whatever you want. Make a fansite, make something you would deem useful. Make something that categorizes your gaming library.
Here's some useful links on "learning"
http://www.teamtreehouse.com/
http://www.codeacademy.com/
Look at examples on other websites, STEAL those examples. The idea is to understand why it works.
Talking specifically about the college "kids" like PD and FoC. "If I go this safe route, I'll make bank! It's guaranteed to happen!"
Tall words from someone who wants to study abroad in London because "It's cheaper"
http://chronicle.com/article/Study-Abroad-Numbers-Rebound/129755/
:wtf
Parents are encouraging their children to enrol in foreign universities to avoid soaring tuition fees in England.
The common view used to be that US universities were very costly but since the rise in UK tuition fees, they don't look so expensive any more.
what schools? 26,000 sounds expensive for UK unless you're talking about places like oxford or a really specialized school.
also, please note that england != uk. UK is a group of countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and North Ireland. You will find a limited search if you are looking for "England universities" as opposed to "United Kingdom universities"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8901380/Study-cheaper-degrees-abroad-parents-tell-teenagers.html Nov 2011QuoteParents are encouraging their children to enrol in foreign universities to avoid soaring tuition fees in England.QuoteThe common view used to be that US universities were very costly but since the rise in UK tuition fees, they don't look so expensive any more.
UK has the highest amount of students study abroad in their country.
The United States is the biggest destination.
The UK is the second biggest destination for overseas students.
The number of students to Africa, Asia and the Middle East increased by more than eight percent each. This growth is fueled in part by new and sometimes more affordable program opportunities in these destinations, strategic partnerships between higher education institutions in the United States and abroad. An expansion of programs in diverse fields and short durations, often led by home-campus faculty, accommodates an increasingly diverse study abroad population.
Can you guys quit talking about where you want to go to grad school and get back to getting me into a job within the next two years? Priorities, people.