Yeah it's "great" because you can be a human piece of shit all of your life and still go to heaven because you believed that Jesus saved you.
Well... that depends how you interpret certain passages.Yeah it's "great" because you can be a human piece of shit all of your life and still go to heaven because you believed that Jesus saved you.
But that's not what it says in the New Testament at all...
"It doesn’t matter what the rules are because you don’t have to follow the rules."
When I came to this realization that's when my Christian faith slowly started to deteriorate.
Christians in my social circle always stated how great it is that they are "saved by grace through faith and not by works." Yeah it's "great" because you can be a human piece of shit all of your life and still go to heaven because you believed that Jesus saved you. And on the flip side, you can cure AIDs, cancer, and defeat world hunger yet still go to hell because you didn't believe that Jesus was your savior.
It just blows my mind that people think that this is a good and just thing...
I'm not denying that."It doesn’t matter what the rules are because you don’t have to follow the rules."
When I came to this realization that's when my Christian faith slowly started to deteriorate.
Christians in my social circle always stated how great it is that they are "saved by grace through faith and not by works." Yeah it's "great" because you can be a human piece of shit all of your life and still go to heaven because you believed that Jesus saved you. And on the flip side, you can cure AIDs, cancer, and defeat world hunger yet still go to hell because you didn't believe that Jesus was your savior.
It just blows my mind that people think that this is a good and just thing...
I know you had a bad experience with Christianity, but you can be a good person who does good things and be a Christian. Shocking, I know.
I'm not a huge fan of organized religion, but I know plenty of awesome people who are religious.
"It doesn’t matter what the rules are because you don’t have to follow the rules."
When I came to this realization that's when my Christian faith slowly started to deteriorate.
Christians in my social circle always stated how great it is that they are "saved by grace through faith and not by works." Yeah it's "great" because you can be a human piece of shit all of your life and still go to heaven because you believed that Jesus saved you. And on the flip side, you can cure AIDs, cancer, and defeat world hunger yet still go to hell because you didn't believe that Jesus was your savior.
It just blows my mind that people think that this is a good and just thing...
I know you had a bad experience with Christianity, but you can be a good person who does good things and be a Christian. Shocking, I know.
I'm not a huge fan of organized religion, but I know plenty of awesome people who are religious.
JESUS COUNTS YOU
Gundam- keep in mind that myself and Himumu are from the south, so I'd say probably about 95%+ of our experiences with organized Christianity can be termed "fucking awful"
You want an example of parishoners pushing back? The Washington Cahtolic Diocese is against Referendum 74, which would legalize gay marriage. Most Seattle Catholic church-goers are telling the leadership to go fuck themselves. They're also in support of the "crazy liberal nuns who destroy to the religious order," according to the dudes in charge.
I'd just point out the article discussion of the Old/New Testament is off. The Law was fulfilled by the death and resurrection of Christ. Works are no longer required for salvation, which is now strictly through the cross. Finally, the Law was given directly to the Jews, and Jesus' earthly message was exclusively aimed at the Jews.
When I went to church as a kid/teen the general take on this was that while you could never lose your salvation, if you were a bad ambassador for Christ your heavenly reward would be worse. The New Testament mentions heavenly awards basically being given to the most devout Christians, and interestingly most discussion I read/heard about this made it sound like real estate. The closer you were to god in life, the closer you would be in heaven, whereas if you were a fuck up you might be living in the ghetto of heaven. Some followers might be given dominion over existing angels as well.
Meh. Personally if there was a heaven I'd be glad to be there, whether my heavenly location resembled OC or Compton. I already won by getting into heaven, why should I care whether I qualify for a continental breakfast toospoiler (click to show/hide)(http://tinyurl.com/c54zt3q)[close]
In Canada, religion isn't the taboo topic it was a couple generations ago. Pretty much everyone is atheist, so it's rare to get a good scrap out of someone by accident.
surprised no one has brought up pascal's wager
Let people believe whatever they want. I don't understand the need to evangelize and convert people either toward religion or against it, it just makes you creepy.
Let people believe whatever they want. I don't understand the need to evangelize and convert people either toward religion or against it, it just makes you creepy.
as long as others adhere to it, i'm quite live and let live.