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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: ManaByte on August 24, 2012, 07:20:53 PM
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http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/24/jury-reaches-verdict-in-apple-vs-samsung-trial/
And Apple gets $1 billion from Samsung.
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:piss US patent laws :piss2
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patent laws :lol
The software ones bother me the most.
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Who knew rounded edges were so sacred
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HOLY SHIT YOU DON'T SAY
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I wonder how Andrex is taking this :lol
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fuck that jury. wow
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If this kills Touch Wiz than Samsung Android owners owe Apple a heartfelt handshake and hug.
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Thanks for convincing me to buy a Galaxy S3, Apple!
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fuck that jury. wow
Having a jury on a patent case is all sorts of dumb.
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that pinch to zoom thing is gonna straight fuck a lot of tablet stuff
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Might as well patent mouse clicks and keyboard keys.
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that pinch to zoom thing is gonna straight fuck a lot of tablet stuff
Pinch to zoom AND tap to zoom. Fucking ridiculous.
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If only Xerox had learned to wield patents like Apple. :'(
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I wonder how Andrex is taking this :lol
It doesn't matter to me because it doesn't really change much. I was pissed with the Galaxy Nexus injunction but injunctions demand a separate level of outrage.
Really, a lot of Samsung's CrapWiz and their recent industrial design was probably intentionally taken from Apple. Apple suing over those phones don't bother me because they deviate from Android so much. (That was another reason the GN injunction pissed me off. The GN is stock Android.)
It's kind of effed Microsoft was able to blatantly rip off Mac OS and get not much more than a slap on the wrist in the 90's, while the patent wars are on the verge of going nuclear today.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation
Apple Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corporation, 35 F.3d 1435 (9th Cir. 1994) was a copyright infringement lawsuit in which Apple Computer, Inc. (now Apple Inc.) sought to prevent Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard from using visual graphical user interface (GUI) elements that were similar to those in Apple's Lisa and Macintosh operating systems. The court ruled that, "Apple cannot get patent-like protection for the idea of a graphical user interface, or the idea of a desktop metaphor [under copyright law]..."
RIP technological innovation :'(
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Oh wow :lol
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This is getting ridiculous. How long before they hound whoever is using something as basic as rubber-band/momentum touch scrolling? I remember them being very proud of it in 2007. Even Steve declared "and yes, we patented it" during the OG iPhone reveal.
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who patented doube clicking with mice
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This is getting ridiculous. How long before they hound whoever is using something as basic as rubber-band/momentum touch scrolling? I remember them being very proud of it in 2007. Even Steve declared "and yes, we patented it" during the OG iPhone reveal.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they included that patent for the 'bounce' when reaching the bottom of a page asa bullet point against Samsung in this recent lawsuit. Reading Tim Wu's 'Rise and Fall of Information Empires' at the moment, it amazes me that with such a rich history of patent litigation and corporate warfare cases like this still seem so badly handled. Having a jury of some regular joes deciding the outcome in cases like this is hilarious.
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Your airplane has two wings too? Sued.
I'm never buying fucking apple shit ever. My Galaxy S2 > iPhone 4GS.
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I just patented breathing, guys. Better start coughing up some money fast.
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True innovation has to be protected by law. No other way around it.
So if Google/Motorola bent Apple backwards and got an injunction on the iPhone5 due to 3G or notification system patents, you'd be totally fine with that right?
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So who do we hate here? The company coming up with original ideas or the company stealing them? I'm confused.
Well, I think the problem is that this is somewhat akin to patenting wheels on a car and then suing people who don't use some other method.
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So who do we hate here? The company coming up with original ideas or the company stealing them? I'm confused.
the software patent system
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So who do we hate here? The company coming up with original ideas or the company stealing them? I'm confused.
the software patent system
yup
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I have never been so proud of being an Apple hater.
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I am pretty sure mobile phones had round edges Before IPhone, no?
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I have never been so proud of being an Apple hater.
I feel the same way, unsurprisingly.
I wonder if this is how Apple fans felt in the 90's when Microsoft was sued by Netscape.
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I am pretty sure mobile phones had round edges Before IPhone, no?
That's the '889 patent, which is the one they said Samsung didn't infringe on.
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Namco is the reason we can't play a mingame during loading sections, right?
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Time to stop using a shitty OS, Samsung.
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Time to stop using a shitty OS, Samsung.
There's rumors that multiple manufacturers will release Nexus phones next year. The pure Android experience will dominate.
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I wish more phone manufacturers would adopt OpenWebOS. That would be awesome. :hyper
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So who do we hate here? The company coming up with original ideas or the company stealing them? I'm confused.
the software patent system
:usacry
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Time to stop copying a shitty OS, Samsung.
Fixed.
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I wonder how Andrex is taking this :lol
It doesn't matter to me because it doesn't really change much. I was pissed with the Galaxy Nexus injunction but injunctions demand a separate level of outrage.
Really, a lot of Samsung's CrapWiz and their recent industrial design was probably intentionally taken from Apple. Apple suing over those phones don't bother me because they deviate from Android so much. (That was another reason the GN injunction pissed me off. The GN is stock Android.)
It's kind of effed Microsoft was able to blatantly rip off Mac OS and get not much more than a slap on the wrist in the 90's, while the patent wars are on the verge of going nuclear today.
Thought it was more seeing Apple winning again.
So who do we hate here? The company coming up with original ideas or the company stealing them? I'm confused.
the patent system
fixed.
That shit is pretty broken right now with Patent trolling almost becoming the norm.
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As someone who uses both on a frequent basis,
S3>>>>>> 4S
Also, Apple didn't invent things like multitouch. Most of those technologies were in theoretical phase in the 80s.
how so? i think i'll pick up one of the two soon...
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S3 is garbage. Get a Galaxy Nexus instead. Google Play version if possible.
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S3 is garbage. Get a Galaxy Nexus instead. Google Play version if possible.
::)
Stop exaggerating.
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GAR
BAGE
:maf
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Pfft
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Time to stop copying a shitty OS, Samsung.
Fixed.
you're a moron
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The S3 is awesome don't listen to the google stan.
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As someone who uses both on a frequent basis,
S3>>>>>> 4S
Also, Apple didn't invent things like multitouch. Most of those technologies were in theoretical phase in the 80s.
70s
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Time to stop copying a shitty OS, Samsung.
Fixed.
you're a moron
The only morons are those who buy Apple products. Toy OS's. :teehee
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Time to stop copying a shitty OS, Samsung.
Fixed.
you're a moron
The only morons are those who buy Nintendo products. Toys. :teehee
Fixed
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Manabyte finally right on something
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Time to stop copying a shitty OS, Samsung.
Fixed.
you're a moron
The only morons are those who buy Nintendo products. Toys. :teehee
Fixed
Games are supposed to be toys, don't let the frat crowd fool you.
Whereas PCs and phones, those are workin' machines I tell ya.
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Time to stop copying a shitty OS, Samsung.
Fixed.
you're a moron
The only morons are those who buy Nintendo products. Toys. :teehee
Fixed
Games are supposed to be toys, don't let the frat crowd fool you.
Whereas PCs and phones, those are workin' machines I tell ya.
Windows 8 says you're wrong.
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I know, fricking Microsoft. :-\
Oh well, I'm fine with Win7/Linux.
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I know all dat Samsung touchwiz crap grinds some android fans gears, but uh, doesn't it suck not having an easily removable battery or expandable memory in your Nexus? I really like the Nexus, but it lacks some basic stuff I wanted, hence having an S3
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(http://i.imgur.com/P8jL3.jpg)
(Although this is slightly inacurrate, Apple was already very successful by 1996 even if they were on a downslope.)
I know all dat Samsung touchwiz crap grinds some android fans gears, but uh, doesn't it suck not having an easily removable battery or expandable memory in your Nexus? I really like the Nexus, but it lacks some basic stuff I wanted, hence having an S3
Hasn't been a problem for me yet, and I've downloaded a frickton of comics and apps. Then again I have the 4G one which has 32 GB.
It probably helps I use Google Music and only have like one playlist pinned though.
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If the 32GB one was available here to order through my work I would've been down. Unfortunately that wasn't the case. S3 is sex though. But I'm not some phone fanboy, I'm not going to start hating because it doesn't follow some arbitrary design doc. Only thing that gets me a little bit is the home button going to S Voice on double tap, not the running app list. S Voice is terrible.
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I know all dat Samsung touchwiz crap grinds some android fans gears, but uh, doesn't it suck not having an easily removable battery or expandable memory in your Nexus? I really like the Nexus, but it lacks some basic stuff I wanted, hence having an S3
But the Galaxy Nexus does have an easily removable battery.
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I know all dat Samsung touchwiz crap grinds some android fans gears, but uh, doesn't it suck not having an easily removable battery or expandable memory in your Nexus? I really like the Nexus, but it lacks some basic stuff I wanted, hence having an S3
But the Galaxy Nexus does have an easily removable battery.
Oh yeah, didn't catch that. It does. The extended battery doesn't add much bulk either.
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Clearly I need to do my research on these things rather than getting my info from office conversations
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Software patents are pretty creepy.
But Namco owning "minigames in loading screens" isn't what prevents you from playing them. It's no-one talking to Namco about using their patent. The "ghost car" for optimum previous replay in racing games is patented; everyone pays to use that. It's a matter of approaching and paying for it.
...But Apple wouldn't have allowed that, fer shure.
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I think the worst part of this is that Samsung HAS TO sell those distinguished mentally-challenged fellows some technology patents without which you can't even make phones, cause it's law you have to sell them.
But Apple can patent total BS and get away with it.
Also my Galaxy S2 with upgradeable memory >>> any iPhone out now.
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But Namco owning "minigames in loading screens" isn't what prevents you from playing them. It's no-one talking to Namco about using their patent. The "ghost car" for optimum previous replay in racing games is patented; everyone pays to use that.
oh comeonnow.gif
i knew bout the loading screens but GHOST CARS are patented?! next you'll be telling me on-screen button prompt and recharging health are copyrighted too
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You know the arrow indicator from Crazy Taxi?
Having an arrow point you to your destination is patented by Sega.
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Why didnt they patent it on foot? Typical Sega oversight. They should have patented QTE too, and blue skies.
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brb, going to patent square ice cube trays with rounded bottoms.
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Borys :lol
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Yes. Black is black, white is white, and there's nothing in between.
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Why didnt they patent it on foot? Typical Sega oversight. They should have patented QTE too, and blue skies.
They could have or should have patented QTEs (then, maybe no-one would use them!), but there is "prior art" for blue skies.
Also, Midway appears to own the ghost car patent. With them out of business, I wonder what happens to patents then. Someone may have picked that up at their fire sale?
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If Google and Motorola win in court against Apple then Apple should pay up. I'm not defending Apple. Just innovation and patents. They are there for particular reason.
They are "there" because software wasn't a thing when they were invented. They're completely destructive to innovation. The fact that two people on opposite ends of the earth could come up with the same solution to a problem but one of them could get sued by the other because they didn't get a patent first is quite frankly sickening to me as a software developer.
That situation happens in software all the time and the use of patents is just corporate bullying at that point.
What makes the situation more broken is that US law was changed somewhat recently so that it doesn't matter who actually invented something first, all that matters is who was first to file the patent. So even if you could prove you invented something thirty years before someone else, you're SOL if you didn't get a patent on it.
I don't understand how anyone even minutely educated could disagree that software patents are a disgrace in their current form. It's like arguing the moon doesn't affect the tides.
Software patents suck. YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT
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Yeah, software patents are now primarily a new form of currency with which corporations can negotiate (or consume each other). Patents have only ever been as valuable as one's ability to defend them in court, and you can see with the Samsung/Apple battle how much these things can cost to pursue.
In terms of a legal device to foster and encourage innovation, while protecting the inventor from outright theft of their ideas... yeah, it is not really filling that role in the larger software development landscape. However, it is worth noting how much influence the iOS UI has had on tablet design.
http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tablets-before-and-after-ipad.jpg
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There will always be trend chasers but those chasing a trend shouldn't be punished because they usually put their own spin on things and give consumers greater choice, and force the trend setter to compete more evenly.
Take the standard desktop GUI. If Xerox had been smart about things and exploited the system as much as Apple is abusing it, then there would be no Mac OS, no Windows. No mouse except for Xerox mice. It would be a veritable dark age of computing, where Xerox would be as big as Microsoft was in its heyday times 1000 and no one being able to remotely compete with them.
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War has changed, Borys.
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War has changed, Borys.
:lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAtje5weAU0
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:lol
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For anyone more knowledgeable about software patents I'm kind of curious how you would propose fixing the system. Everyone seems to be saying it's awful yet I haven't really seen any really solid explanations of what to do with it. Should software patents be thrown out completely? How do you get companies to invest heavily in R&D in that case if everything they release can be cloned by competitors? Do you keep software patents but restrict them to something like FRAND licensing so the patents are available to everyone? Do you more heavily restrict what exactly can be patented?
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I've got a pretty extreme view on the whole patent system bullshit. Which is to say, I don't think there should be any such thing. They say it promotes creativity, but it looks to me more like it stifles it. I trust that even without the patent system, companies would still innovate, if only to get the leg up on competition even for a short while.
Exactly.
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Ok dudes, yall smarter than me so explain:
why is there not a movement to "disable" software patents because they are "evil" nowadays?
There is, it's just that only programmer nerds and startup business nerds care about it
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For anyone more knowledgeable about software patents I'm kind of curious how you would propose fixing the system. Everyone seems to be saying it's awful yet I haven't really seen any really solid explanations of what to do with it. Should software patents be thrown out completely? How do you get companies to invest heavily in R&D in that case if everything they release can be cloned by competitors? Do you keep software patents but restrict them to something like FRAND licensing so the patents are available to everyone? Do you more heavily restrict what exactly can be patented?
The clause in the Constitution that covers IP law and copyright and patents is worded very clearly and concisely: the entire system is supposed to be a balance of the rights of the creators and the rights of the citizens in order to spur growth in innovation and creation. Patent law is a bit more of a grey area because that also introduces trade secrets, business practices, etc., but basically, current patent law severely limits the scope of aforementioned innovation and creation due to the awful litigious nature its taken. IP and copyright law are nearly as bad.
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As for what to do, fuck if I know because I'm not smart enough for patent law. I'd say trivial shit like "TOUCH ZOOM" is too broad; too general to patent. There should be a written law that go into great detail what warrants a patent and what doesn't. Copyright suffers the same shit. "IS IT NOT distinguished mentally-challenged AND YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT? SHIT, LIFE+70 YEARS FOR YOU"
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Time to stop using a shitty OS, Samsung.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJsX3yzGUQo
Yup.
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Time to stop using a shitty OS, Samsung.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJsX3yzGUQo
Yup.
:lol