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Title: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2012, 06:14:24 PM: You'd think after like 10 years of development it'd at least get a topic!

Gonna download tonight. Impressions have all been very positive and the screens look great.
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2012, 06:30:34 PM: Were you even born when Half-life came out?
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Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2012, 07:16:52 PM: Which portions are cut? If they cut out the bad parts of the game to make it a better product I don't see that as "unfinished" but rather a decision to improve the game experience.

I've watched some videos from it and it looks pretty nice to me! I'll be playing through it over the weekend and see for myself, but I mean it's free, it's done and it's polished and it also takes a classic game that is really really ugly and hard to take serious today and fixes the visual problem, restoring it to classic and still playable status.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2012, 07:53:21 PM: Hmm, yeah that was what I was guessing. I mean the Xen portions are pretty bad and the worst part of the game. How do "beat" the game though if there's no Xen in the end? IIRC it was pretty integral to the final area.
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Post by: Raban on September 14, 2012, 07:55:19 PM: The original Half Life is the king, baby. I still play that game to this day. The expansions Gearbox did were made of pure win, especially Opposing Force.

On topic, I'm gonna check this out as a curiosity, but I'm not expecting much. The enemy behavior in GoldSrc is second to none.
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Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 08:02:52 PM: When they get Xen done it'll go up on Steam I believe.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on September 14, 2012, 08:04:51 PM: Played about 20 minutes, I was pretty impressed, lotta new assets there
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2012, 08:06:45 PM: I'll check it out, just too bad they don't have it up on Steam yet.
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2012, 08:50:26 PM: Quote from: Sho Nuff on September 14, 2012, 08:04:51 PM
Played about 20 minutes, I was pretty impressed, lotta new assets there

Apparently it has more new assets than the entire asset count of Half-life 2 :o
Title: Black Mesa is out
Post by: chronovore on September 14, 2012, 09:35:12 PM: HL2 was just made more efficiently, most likely.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2012, 09:43:03 PM: Quote from: chronovore on September 14, 2012, 09:35:12 PM
HL2 was just made more efficiently, most likely.

Probably, but it still took six years and was being made by professionals working full time. Black Mesa took 8 [though, to be fair, it still isn't quite finished] and was done by volunteers working in their free time.
Title: Black Mesa is out
Post by: chronovore on September 14, 2012, 10:32:00 PM: Yeah, but that's exactly what I mean. You will probably have a dozen concrete textures which are indistinguishable from each other, or doors which appear exactly the same but have separately authored open/close/lock logic.
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Vizzys on September 15, 2012, 06:34:45 AM: Its actually pretty amazing. Doesnt feel like some half assed mod at all.

For whatever reason the game defaults to easy mode in the options, so turn that to normal first off
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 15, 2012, 08:08:30 PM: Holy shit. I thought it was going to end when the soldiers appear, but apparently they redid the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME up to Xen (AKA the shitty part). Mad respect to these guys.

One of the most impressive things to me is that the voice acting isn't shit!
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 15, 2012, 08:42:59 PM: i didnt really play HL1. well i did, but i didn't play all of it and i think i skipped around?

so those that know the game pretty well, how accurate is this?
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2012, 09:03:15 PM: Quote from: fistfulofmetal on September 15, 2012, 08:42:59 PM
so those that know the game pretty well, how accurate is this?

Pretty accurate from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Bebpo on September 16, 2012, 01:31:10 AM: Yeah I played the first hour or two and it's been great so far. Very impressed with the textures, models, voices. It's good to be back in Black Mesa!
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 16, 2012, 09:37:00 AM: i got to the part after i killed the pit monster and went down into the hole it came from. but i cant figure out where to go next. i assume i need to swim down into the water but there's no openings that i can see
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Timber on September 16, 2012, 10:13:44 AM: Swim all the way down, go around underneath the rim or whatever and go back up on the other side.

This is the most satisfying ostensibly-vaporware release ever. The movement isn't entirely perfect, but aside from that it's damn good. Not a 1:1 conversion, either. My playthroughs of HL must have reached double digits by now. No regrets.
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Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on September 16, 2012, 11:21:31 AM: Excited to play this! Haven't replayed Half Life in years and have been looking forward to this as my excuse to do it.
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Post by: Positive Touch on September 16, 2012, 11:53:51 AM: holy shitballs this is professional quality!
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 16, 2012, 12:55:29 PM: Quote from: fistfulofmetal on September 16, 2012, 09:37:00 AM
i got to the part after i killed the pit monster and went down into the hole it came from. but i cant figure out where to go next. i assume i need to swim down into the water but there's no openings that i can see

I just got stuck there. I also got stuck:

-- Climbing back up through the Pit Monster room, no matter how many grenades / remote charges I used it always killed me (WTF)
-- The part where you have to "surf" through the radioactive ooze on the back of a barrel/crate/pallet. If this is what you're SUPPOSED to do, the physics simply do not work. I had to cheat/noclip to get past it.

Also, I have gotten killed a lot due to falling off ladders, since the get on/get off code is dogshit (that's Valve's fault though).
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Raban on September 16, 2012, 02:03:49 PM: Quote from: Sho Nuff on September 16, 2012, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: fistfulofmetal on September 16, 2012, 09:37:00 AM
i got to the part after i killed the pit monster and went down into the hole it came from. but i cant figure out where to go next. i assume i need to swim down into the water but there's no openings that i can see

I just got stuck there. I also got stuck:

-- Climbing back up through the Pit Monster room, no matter how many grenades / remote charges I used it always killed me (WTF)
-- The part where you have to "surf" through the radioactive ooze on the back of a barrel/crate/pallet. If this is what you're SUPPOSED to do, the physics simply do not work. I had to cheat/noclip to get past it.

Also, I have gotten killed a lot due to falling off ladders, since the get on/get off code is dogshit (that's Valve's fault though).

The solution is
spoiler (click to show/hide)
a series of pipes above the lake of radioactive waste that you can access
[close]
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Post by: Positive Touch on September 16, 2012, 05:34:28 PM: i give valve a lot of shit because i feel like their games are too long but GOD DAMN THIS IS FUN

already telling myself im going to reinstall the old expansion packs and play through them lol
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 16, 2012, 05:46:07 PM: Does it support a gamepad
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Post by: Sho Nuff on September 16, 2012, 06:03:06 PM: Oh my god Residue Processing is terrible. Horrible jumping puzzles / conveyor belts / insanely slippery physics. This was so so so very bad
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 16, 2012, 07:53:56 PM: This game is uhh...really, really long
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Positive Touch on September 16, 2012, 11:33:02 PM: Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 16, 2012, 05:46:07 PM
Does it support a gamepad

yes

Quote from: Sho Nuff on September 16, 2012, 07:53:56 PM
This game is uhh...really, really long

yes

i think the original's like a 30 hour game
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 17, 2012, 12:44:43 AM: It really starts dragging once you get topside.

Also the part with all the laser tripwires inside the ordnance building is fucking horrific with HL2's physics
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 17, 2012, 01:54:26 AM: FINISHED. Wow that was pretty amazing. They left out Xen but who cares, that part's ass anyway
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 17, 2012, 04:23:24 PM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s90Bukdwbig
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: chronovore on September 17, 2012, 04:35:47 PM: Quote from: Timber on September 16, 2012, 10:13:44 AM
Swim all the way down, go around underneath the rim or whatever and go back up on the other side.

This is the most satisfying ostensibly-vaporware release ever. The movement isn't entirely perfect, but aside from that it's damn good. Not a 1:1 conversion, either. My playthroughs of HL must have reached double digits by now. No regrets.
"Carpe Mesa"?
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Fifstar on September 20, 2012, 07:45:00 AM: Started this yesterday, amazing so far.
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Barry Egan on September 20, 2012, 05:37:29 PM: this game is so great and this project is great. Has there ever been a videogame plot-twist as awesome as
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the HECU being sent to exterminate the survivors?
[close]
cause it's lovely.
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Positive Touch on September 21, 2012, 10:31:49 PM: so... anyone have any extra copies of blue shift & opposing force? i opened my old game box and the disc was missing :'(
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2012, 10:57:54 PM: Putting the Half-Life key into Steam nets you those games, as well, if I remember correctly.
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Post by: Positive Touch on September 21, 2012, 11:12:17 PM: my half-life disc is missing too :'(

i got half-life source from the collector's edition of half-life 2
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Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2012, 12:31:55 AM: Is it the pack that also has CS and TFC? I think you can use those as well.
Title: Black Mesa is out
Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2012, 01:47:43 PM: Yes, the Opposing Force disc, IIRC, doesn't activate anything on Steam.

And if you complain about it on The Bore, Cormacaroni will tease you.
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Bebpo on September 30, 2012, 04:19:00 PM: Hmm, I'm gonna throw a little blasphemy in here. Back in the day HL1 was mind-blowingly amazing FPS that changed everything. HL2 was even better. But playing HL1 again now 14 years later...this is kind of a long, dull game. The combat has never been a strong point of the series, and it feels even more dated now. There's little enemy variety, lots of similar sections since it's a lengthy game (how many vents do you crawl through) and the puzzle platforming controls can be kind of janky. It also lacks the narrative push that Half-life 2 has where even if the gameplay wasn't doing a lot of things the story would be advancing and keep it interesting. HL1 is kind of a lonely solitary experience. It's definitely a classic, but I don't think I'm going to finish Black Mesa when I just feel like I'm going through motions and would rather be playing a more interesting FPS. They did a great job with the remake though!
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Post by: Timber on September 30, 2012, 04:44:30 PM: Nope.
Title: Re: Black Mesa is out
Post by: Timber on September 30, 2012, 04:46:09 PM: You're mostly describing Black Mesa's problems, not those of Half Life.