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Title: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2012, 06:42:18 PM: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57552196-75/analysts-turn-negative-on-windows-8-prospects/

Pretty much agree. No really big killer feature. The tablet desktop interface on a desktop isn't intuitive.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Himu on November 20, 2012, 06:52:24 PM: I tried it the other day and found the tablet interface surprisingly intuitive for desktop use. ???
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 20, 2012, 07:03:23 PM: ive been using it for the last few days. it's perfectly OK
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 20, 2012, 07:04:01 PM: "intuitive" is a total Rorschach blot of a word anyway
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 20, 2012, 07:09:41 PM: "intuitive" = "so easy even dull old tech media journalists can figure it out"
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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 20, 2012, 07:10:57 PM: I just don't need it. No reason to switch over.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Positive Touch on November 20, 2012, 07:28:07 PM: cost me 15$ so whatev
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: pilonv1 on November 20, 2012, 07:29:34 PM: Andrex thread
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Tasty on November 20, 2012, 08:01:39 PM: http://kneeland.me/2012/11/17/metro-is-that-text-clickable-or-not/

(http://i.imgur.com/RVRhIl.png)

Bad UX.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Himu on November 20, 2012, 08:03:30 PM: That doesn't loom tiny
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 20, 2012, 08:08:01 PM: Quote from: Positive Touch on November 20, 2012, 07:28:07 PM
cost me 15$ so whatev

Agreed.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MCD on November 20, 2012, 08:10:31 PM: It's OK.

Steven Sinofsky is out and MS is now ruled by women.

My fetish.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MCD on November 20, 2012, 08:20:35 PM: spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/onxhV.jpg)
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Andrex, U jelly?
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Robo on November 20, 2012, 08:22:25 PM: Just so long as my porn keeps downloadin' like it's supposed to, I'm perfectly happy.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 20, 2012, 08:30:58 PM: Quote from: MCD on November 20, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
It's OK.

Steven Sinofsky is out and MS is now ruled by women.

My fetish.

:lol
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 20, 2012, 08:32:56 PM: The most vocal obnoxious people I know online (that just happen to work for competition) have been dialed up to 11 lately- so at the very least its enough of something to make them spare time out of their BUSY DAYS CHANGING THE WORLD WITH TECHNOLOGY IN ONLY THE WAY THEIR CHOSEN ONE COMPANY CAN to FUD it up....that's something.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 20, 2012, 08:36:23 PM: Played around with it at Best buy and its definitely a good UI in that it places everything you need at your finger touch. In my case I always have a couple of apps open all the time and rarely see my desktop unless I'm diving into some folders. But even then most of the stuff I have saved on my PC that I peruse are managed by certain applications (like my photographs which Lightroom manages, or my Music which the Zune software sees). So I can see myself acclimating to the Windows 8 experience rather easily.

The only aspect I would find odd is having a massive LCD right in front of me that I have to constantly reach out and touch when navigating the UI. The keyboard and mouse placement can be a comfortable neutral position. In this regard I think it'll be extremely interesting when Kindect gets integrated with Windows 8 and you can do everything that would involve touching the screen comfortably close to your body in the air. Gestures, scrolling and other navigation.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2012, 08:37:18 PM: Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 20, 2012, 06:52:24 PM
I tried it the other day and found the tablet interface surprisingly intuitive for desktop use. ???

I'm not talking about computer literate people. My mom can use windows 7 to do the small amount of things she needs to do.

I debated installed Windows 8 on her machine and then realized that I would need to explain how to do everything again and then even after I installed it, she probably still wouldn't understand it. To joe six pack I have a feeling that it makes almost no sense. A desktop without a touch screen monitor is not a tablet and not even close. So why pretend it is. That seems to be the fundamental flaw to me at least. Why should a "normal" person want Windows 8 on his desktop machine. It's an os that's not in line with current tech that most people are using at the moment.
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Post by: Himu on November 20, 2012, 08:41:16 PM: I am getting my momma a new computer and I am dreading teaching her to use W8
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Post by: MCD on November 20, 2012, 08:51:15 PM: Why teach her? Get her an RT tablet and tell her to mess with it to her heart's content.

No viruses and apps from the app store only. And it will be easier for her to swipe from all sides than to try doing that with a mouse/trackpad.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on November 20, 2012, 08:55:42 PM: boboboboobobobobobo
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Tasty on November 20, 2012, 09:08:09 PM: Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2012, 08:37:18 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 20, 2012, 06:52:24 PM
I tried it the other day and found the tablet interface surprisingly intuitive for desktop use. ???

I'm not talking about computer literate people. My mom can use windows 7 to do the small amount of things she needs to do.

I debated installed Windows 8 on her machine and then realized that I would need to explain how to do everything again and then even after I installed it, she probably still wouldn't understand it. To joe six pack I have a feeling that it makes almost no sense. A desktop without a touch screen monitor is not a tablet and not even close. So why pretend it is. That seems to be the fundamental flaw to me at least. Why should a "normal" person want Windows 8 on his desktop machine. It's an os that's not in line with current tech that most people are using at the moment.

That would be cool.

Straight up touch laptops/all in one PCs don't make sense to me atm, why would you smudge your screen up when you have a trackpad/mouse right there? Maybe on a laptop it wouldn't be such a distinct choice but on desktops it would definitely fall into "use it in the first week to make yourself feel cool, then never use it again when you actually want to use the thing for actual stuff."
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 20, 2012, 10:03:35 PM: have you actually tried touch on a laptop? it's kind of addictive. dunno why you'd want it on desktop though, unless you had a setup like this -> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2012/2-030 (skip to 30:35)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 21, 2012, 04:34:23 AM: No Flash in Metro IE is a mortal sin. It really makes NO SENSE (the workaround is a JOKE, how is this user friendly?)

Its super pretty, but if you been using windows before its really not intuitive, just restrictive in many aspects (like the mail app that when you go into a folder only shows the past 2 weeks of emails.. so then I need to start it up in the browser, but best to use the desktop browser not the metro one... WHY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BROWSERS ANYWAY, THE CONFUSION)
Title: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Shaka Khan on November 21, 2012, 04:38:15 AM: Metro IE = mobile environment => Adobe ceased mobile Flash support for all mobile platforms.

Just a wild guess.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 21, 2012, 04:41:59 AM: Yes yes I get that but why do I have this on my laptop then, couldnt they change it for desktop?

It really makes little sense to give me this gimped browser as my main browser, its NINTENDOESQUE.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MCD on November 21, 2012, 04:44:23 AM: Quote from: Premium Lager on November 21, 2012, 04:34:23 AM
No Flash in Metro IE is a mortal sin. It really makes NO SENSE (the workaround is a JOKE, how is this user friendly?)

Its super pretty, but if you been using windows before its really not intuitive, just restrictive in many aspects (like the mail app that when you go into a folder only shows the past 2 weeks of emails.. so then I need to start it up in the browser, but best to use the desktop browser not the metro one... WHY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BROWSERS ANYWAY, THE CONFUSION)

Charms bar while in the mail app --> settings --> Accounts

Click on your account then pick the option to download mail from anytime.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 21, 2012, 04:46:29 AM: Thanks, but why isn't this stuff on from the get go then? It would kind of make sense when I go into archive folders to be able to see things older then 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MCD on November 21, 2012, 04:47:45 AM: As for choosing what IE to use as default: go to IE (Desktop) Internet Options --> Programs tab and choose how you open links from there.

Edit: I dunno, but I knew about this thing because it was the same in Windows Phone mail app. Save space I guess?
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 21, 2012, 05:36:24 AM: Quote from: Premium Lager on November 21, 2012, 04:46:29 AM
Thanks, but why isn't this stuff on from the get go then? It would kind of make sense when I go into archive folders to be able to see things older then 2 weeks.

only having mail sync from the last 2 weeks is pretty standard on a mobile device and that's essentially what the W8 mail app is, a smartphone mail app.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: lordmaji on November 21, 2012, 09:55:59 AM: I can't stand it... It's on my new laptop and the laptop doesn't have win 7 drivers yet... blah. I added the program classic shell just to get some sort of normal desktop feel.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: chronovore on November 22, 2012, 06:38:53 PM: Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 20, 2012, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on November 20, 2012, 07:28:07 PM
cost me 15$ so whatev

Agreed.

Is this deal still available?
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MCD on November 22, 2012, 08:30:07 PM: http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Positive Touch on November 22, 2012, 09:43:41 PM: as long as you have your windows 7 serial key and are ok with telling microsoft that you got it in the last six months, then yes
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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2012, 02:48:46 AM: Bought a laptop with windows 8 on it and I hate it. Customization is real clunky and non-intuitive. Not much going on in the store to get me excited about this. Hopefully things change in the coming months.

I want to like Metro, but it seems like you really need a touch surface to fully enjoy it.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 23, 2012, 03:35:37 AM: What are you trying to customize?
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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2012, 12:59:35 AM: Sorry, I missed your question. I was trying to get rid of a bunch of windows I will never use and/or resize them. Also how to figure out how to make the Mail window goto Gmail instead.

I gave up and got a program called Classic Shell that has allowed me to bypass Metro altogether.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 30, 2012, 01:36:29 AM: Are you talking about tiles? Just right-click them -> Unpin, Uninstall or Resize. You can right-click a bunch of them and unpin all of them at once. You can set up the mail accounts including Gmail in Settings (swing mouse around lower right corner), or just pin the Gmail website to Start (right-click -> pin in "new" IE, or "gear button" -> Pin to Start in desktop IE).

For the most part, if there's something you can't find it's probably either in the right-click commands or in the Charms (search/share/devices/settings). Once you get comfortable with those two things you're pretty set.

But hey, if Classic Shell (or Win7) works better for you, great.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 30, 2012, 01:48:25 AM: Quote from: Andrex on November 20, 2012, 08:01:39 PM
http://kneeland.me/2012/11/17/metro-is-that-text-clickable-or-not/

(http://i.imgur.com/RVRhIl.png)

Bad UX.

That follows a general pattern of you being able to tap categories/headings to jump to a list of categories/headings, so if you're familiar with it from elsewhere you know what to expect. Besides, all it gives you is a shortcut to the category so if you don't know it you'll just have to scroll down, big deal.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on November 30, 2012, 10:21:33 AM: Its andrex- this is what he does. I hope all of his hard work gets him extra g+ credits or whatever
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 30, 2012, 10:37:51 AM: Well I bought a Nexus 4 so he should be happy!
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 30, 2012, 10:42:09 AM: Use what works, that's what I say. Competition is good, that's what I say. I like technology.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 30, 2012, 10:42:54 AM: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/windows-8-basics-tips-tricks-and-cures/2/
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Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on November 30, 2012, 06:45:55 PM: My basic tip and cure for Windows 8 on my laptop was to buy a copy of Start8.

http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Purple Filth on November 30, 2012, 06:49:24 PM: i honestly dont use the metro side much except for checking email and the occasional search (which is fucking great). Everything else is through the good ol desktop.

Quote from: Positive Touch on November 20, 2012, 07:28:07 PM
cost me 15$ so whatev

also this.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 30, 2012, 10:45:25 PM: being able to search netflix directly from windows is pretty awesome
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Post by: naff on December 01, 2012, 12:13:06 AM: Quote from: Premium Lager on November 21, 2012, 04:34:23 AM
No Flash in Metro IE is a mortal sin. It really makes NO SENSE (the workaround is a JOKE, how is this user friendly?)

Its super pretty, but if you been using windows before its really not intuitive, just restrictive in many aspects (like the mail app that when you go into a folder only shows the past 2 weeks of emails.. so then I need to start it up in the browser, but best to use the desktop browser not the metro one... WHY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BROWSERS ANYWAY, THE CONFUSION)

I found this to be the most distinguished mentally-challenged thing about metro from my small amount of time using it. Why have multiple applications? I like metro as a replacement to the start menu in some ways but this made the experience feel really half assed. Based on my initial outing with W8 it felt like a massive fail, especially after 7 felt near perfect for me.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 01, 2012, 01:42:44 AM: Having "two browsers" sucks, but unfortunately the alternatives at the moment would be to either (a) not have a browser that fits into the new UI model (and pretends to fit into the new app model, and can deliver on the promises customers are meant to associate with the new UI/app model, i.e. unafflicted by the UX/reliability/security degradation that current plugin models carry) or (b) not have a browser that supports many remaining important multitasking and/or extensibility scenarios like side-by-side document workflows, and either alternative would suck a lot more than "two browsers".

Ultimately this is just a reflection of the limitations of the new UI/app model, which is to say it's a reflection of the immaturity of the new UI/app model.
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Post by: DCharlieJP on December 01, 2012, 12:42:22 PM: Don't 8 , Masturb8
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Momo on December 01, 2012, 02:13:14 PM: Quote from: MCD on November 20, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
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Andrex, U jelly?
This is like the worst OS-tan ever lol
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 01, 2012, 10:18:14 PM: from a functionality standpoint? WTF? It has all the functionality 7 has, modulo some very small (in the scheme of things) changes.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: D3RANG3D on December 01, 2012, 10:21:32 PM: Quote from: MCD on November 20, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
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(http://i.imgur.com/onxhV.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/guWqC.jpg)
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Andrex, U jelly?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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/Andrex
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 01, 2012, 10:33:46 PM: 'k
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: tiesto on December 02, 2012, 10:45:59 AM: Those pics are pretty funny considering I'm in the middle of a rewatch of Serial Experiments Lain.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2012, 10:57:02 AM: Worse than Windows ME? Vista? ::)
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: Momo on December 02, 2012, 10:58:35 AM: Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on December 02, 2012, 10:57:02 AM
Worse than Windows ME? Vista? ::)
ME is satan level, Vista actually became good after patching out all the jank.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: huckleberry on December 02, 2012, 11:27:01 AM: Any of you tried using the Xbox Music app yet? I cannot get it to see my music properly no matter what I do. :maf
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 02, 2012, 12:36:07 PM: Quote from: Arde0 on December 02, 2012, 11:27:01 AM
Any of you tried using the Xbox Music app yet? I cannot get it to see my music properly no matter what I do. :maf

i've been trying to use the smartglass app for awhile and it's not working either. for forza horizon its supposed to be a GPS but shit never initiates.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: huckleberry on December 02, 2012, 12:48:56 PM: Windows Media Player works like a fucking champ....so I know it's not id3 tags.

This is on a new install too.

So goddam frustrating. All I want to do is listen to music with the splitscreen.

Between this and the shitty scrolling implementation my view on Windows 8 is becoming sour pretty quick.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 02, 2012, 01:35:25 PM: dunno if you've seen this, but http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-8-tip-overcoming-library-limitations is a guide to some common issues that might pop up getting Xbox Music to work with local content.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: huckleberry on December 03, 2012, 05:40:31 AM: Recursive you are a lifesaver!

When moving my libraries off of the SSD to my storage drive I accidentally misnamed the My Music folder. That was just enough to throw the xbox music app off...would have never thought of it if you hadn't linked that article. Thank you so much.
Title: Re: Windows 8 - Who cares
Post by: chronovore on December 11, 2012, 06:22:25 PM: Quote from: DCharlieJP on December 01, 2012, 12:42:22 PM
Don't 8 , Masturb8

8'ers gonna 8.