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Title: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 26, 2012, 07:07:49 PM
holy shit

go see this film
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 26, 2012, 07:20:09 PM
Great review. 10/10, would read again.

Sam Jackson steals the show but all the actors brought it. It even made Jamie look good.

Anyone who says Django takes slavery lightly is a fucking idiot. They had face masks, they were whipped Kunta Kinte style, there were castrations, attack dogs...Spike Lee is a fucking idiot. "Insulting to my ancestors" my ass.

Movie is hilarious as all hell too.

Great acting, fantastic commentary on America and race, fucking awesome western, and the most ill soundtrack I've seen in ages.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Eric P on December 26, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
"- holy fuck this film is black power defined "

white guy frees him and sets everything into motion manipulating the black man for his own ends?

sure sounds like black power defined to me.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 26, 2012, 07:23:48 PM
"- holy fuck this film is black power defined "

white guy frees him and sets everything into motion manipulating the black man for his own ends?

sure sounds like black power defined to me.

The ending is black power as fuck.

but it's not surprising that EricP the local expert on black culture would have a problem with the movie.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Eric P on December 26, 2012, 07:31:23 PM
i haven't actually seen it yet.

 :teehee
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 26, 2012, 08:29:59 PM
The Klan scene is probably the funnest scene I've witnessed in theatres this year. Absolutely amazing.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 26, 2012, 08:34:07 PM
Goddamn, I might need to see this movie a second time here soon.
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Post by: The Sceneman on December 26, 2012, 08:50:56 PM
really looking forward to seeing this! Comes out in a month here.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 26, 2012, 08:53:53 PM
I am going to see it again this weekend with mups
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 26, 2012, 08:57:40 PM
The Klan scene is probably the funnest scene I've witnessed in theatres this year. Absolutely amazing.

Funnier than the Klan scene in O Brother Where Art Thou?  Also, that's historically inaccurate I think- klan didn't show up until after slavery right?  Obviously doesn't matter but whatever.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 26, 2012, 11:14:18 PM
It wasn't the Klan but it was something that resembled the Klan
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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2012, 12:53:43 AM
well this is tense
Title: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Bloodwake on December 27, 2012, 02:39:22 AM
The Klan scene is probably the funnest scene I've witnessed in theatres this year. Absolutely amazing.

Don Johnson as "Big Daddy." LOL
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Post by: Himu on December 27, 2012, 04:19:00 AM
Leonardo DiCaprio is the best actor in hollywood.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/2013-golden-globes/leonardo-dicaprio-real-blood-django-unchained-scene-201237591.html

spoilers
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Beezy on December 27, 2012, 08:25:53 AM
Did I just say I would shoot up a theater full of black people? What's wrong with me? :(
:lol

smh
Title: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Verdigris Murder on December 27, 2012, 08:46:47 AM
I can't tolerate a black audience or a Tarantino film separately. Combined, I might shoot up a theater.
Hahaha
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
I cannot stop thinking about this movie. Best black film in years.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Steve Contra on December 27, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
I cannot stop thinking about this movie. Best black film in years.
(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/TARANTINO-FISTPUMP.GIF)
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: bork on December 27, 2012, 03:32:06 PM
Did I just say I would shoot up a theater full of black people? What's wrong with me? :(

 :drudge(http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Dodge/2009-Dodge-Charger-police-car-2.jpg) :drudge
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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 27, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
Yes the Klan didn't show up until reconstruction; they were a terrorist organization trying to proove how Reconstruction really doesn't matter, atleast Jacksons version of it.

Ironically, the Klan supported Lincolns plan of reconstruction  ???
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2012, 04:14:56 PM
The Root has a three part interview with Tarantino:

Part: http://www.theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-1-django-trilogy
Part 2: http://www.theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-2-n-word
Part 3: http://www.theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-3-white-saviors
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Spurgeon on December 27, 2012, 05:38:10 PM
Fantastic movie, but this is my third Tarantino film in a row in which someone brings their toddler with them to the theater  >:(

I thought
spoiler (click to show/hide)
the Mandingo fight scene was the most disturbing to me, just was so brutal and inhumane
[close]

Wonder how Will Smith would have done in this if he wasn't such a bitch
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Post by: Himu on December 27, 2012, 05:39:31 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The dog eating scene is way worse than the mandingo scene to me
[close]
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: demi on December 28, 2012, 11:57:13 PM
I heard a white guy yells at a black penis for like five minutes. True?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 29, 2012, 12:25:57 AM
Well there's a part where sam jackson is staring at jamie foxx's cock for 5 minutes while talking to him
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Positive Touch on December 29, 2012, 02:19:54 AM
good movie, but calling this "black power defined" makes stokely carmichael roll in his grave

was cool but i expected a lot more
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on December 29, 2012, 02:46:22 AM
Black power is acceptance and embracing of ones blackness. Tell me how that ending is not black power as fuck. I don't think you know what black power is, or if you do buy into the black nationalist idea of black power rather than the pride element of black power. In other words you read too much black panther shit.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Positive Touch on December 29, 2012, 03:29:18 AM
ending was great; what i had a problem with is that 80% of the movie beforehand was german dude leading around django, coming up with all the plans, explaining words to django over and over ( ::) ). jamie foxx barely had any lines for most of the movie, and christopher waltz was  positioned as the central character in most of the scenes. django's character arc was way too muted too. he'd talk back and insult the white people, but we never got to hear him rebut all their bullshit, never even got to hear him detail his thoughts or tell a story or SOMETHING while he was with waltz or his wife or someone. we got to see multiple sides of a lot of characters, but django just felt like a cardboard cutout when he shoulda been a lot more.

basically i was hoping for something like kill bill's bride's asskicking mixed with some righteous anger and what i got was a typical hero story against a backdrop of white slaveowners.

also kerry washington's role was so wasted :'(
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: headwalk on December 29, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
Black power is acceptance and embracing of ones blackness. Tell me how that ending is not black power as fuck.

the theatre was full of white people.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Sman on December 29, 2012, 10:45:51 AM
Great review. 10/10, would read again.

Sam Jackson steals the show but all the actors brought it. It even made Jamie look good.

Anyone who says Django takes slavery lightly is a fucking idiot. They had face masks, they were whipped Kunta Kinte style, there were castrations, attack dogs...Spike Lee is a fucking idiot. "Insulting to my ancestors" my ass.

Movie is hilarious as all hell too.

Great acting, fantastic commentary on America and race, fucking awesome western, and the most ill soundtrack I've seen in ages.

It is insulting to my slave-owning ancestors.

:mattdrudge
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/black-racism-unchained/#CksjHmmczyvE3PQ7.99
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Purple Filth on December 29, 2012, 07:15:24 PM
"- holy fuck this film is black power defined "

white guy frees him and sets everything into motion manipulating the black man for his own ends?

sure sounds like black power defined to me.

 :lol
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2012, 07:24:17 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/black-racism-unchained/#CksjHmmczyvE3PQ7.99

Some other choice quotes from Jesse Lee Peterson:

Quote from: http://www.newshounds.us/hannity_buddy_thanks_god_for_slavery_03112012
“I’ve often said that, ‘Thank God for slavery,’ because, you know, had not, then the blacks over here would have been stuck in Africa… Everybody and their Mama are trying to get out of Africa and come to America and so God has a way of looking out for folks and He made it possible by way of slavery to get black folks into this country.

…I thank God that He saw fit for me to get here. Never mind that, you know, (my ancestors) were sold… by Arabs and blacks to white folks… The ride over was pretty tough but you know, it’s like riding on a crowded airplane when you’re not in First Class. It’s a tough ride. But you’re happy when you get to your desitination… I thank God that he got me here and to show my appreciation to the blacks who suffered as the result of coming here, and Arabs and blacks who sold us to the white man, the white man for going there and getting us and bringing us here, I want to say, ‘Thanks.’”

Quote from: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/worldnetdailys-peterson-unleashes-nu
He's -- Obama, in all honesty, is the Congressional Black Caucus, he is Louis Farrakhan, he is Rev. Wright, his minister, he is all of them wrapped up in one -- and he's gonna take -- if we allow this health-care thing to happen, he's gonna turn America into Detroit. And we cannot let this happen.

Quote from: http://www.wnd.com/2005/09/32454/
About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 29, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
Sold out at one theater, but not at the other. Phew! Date night survives.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 29, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/black-racism-unchained/#CksjHmmczyvE3PQ7.99

Some other choice quotes from Jesse Lee Peterson:

Quote from: http://www.newshounds.us/hannity_buddy_thanks_god_for_slavery_03112012
“I’ve often said that, ‘Thank God for slavery,’ because, you know, had not, then the blacks over here would have been stuck in Africa… Everybody and their Mama are trying to get out of Africa and come to America and so God has a way of looking out for folks and He made it possible by way of slavery to get black folks into this country.

…I thank God that He saw fit for me to get here. Never mind that, you know, (my ancestors) were sold… by Arabs and blacks to white folks… The ride over was pretty tough but you know, it’s like riding on a crowded airplane when you’re not in First Class. It’s a tough ride. But you’re happy when you get to your desitination… I thank God that he got me here and to show my appreciation to the blacks who suffered as the result of coming here, and Arabs and blacks who sold us to the white man, the white man for going there and getting us and bringing us here, I want to say, ‘Thanks.’”

Quote from: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/worldnetdailys-peterson-unleashes-nu
He's -- Obama, in all honesty, is the Congressional Black Caucus, he is Louis Farrakhan, he is Rev. Wright, his minister, he is all of them wrapped up in one -- and he's gonna take -- if we allow this health-care thing to happen, he's gonna turn America into Detroit. And we cannot let this happen.

Quote from: http://www.wnd.com/2005/09/32454/
About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.

'How do I make it to White Heaven?' Well, start by askin' yourself 'How is my relationship with the white man?' Do you celebrate the white man's goodness every day? Do you stop and thank the white man for the food you eat and the clothes you wear? Huh? Well, if you don't, you goin' to Hell. Now, I want everybody who isn't white to turn to a white person and say 'Thank you'.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 29, 2012, 11:21:34 PM
Great film. Fuck the haters and fuck the PC police. Good movies are good.

Really like how the language was so over the top that you got desensitized to it, but then you're aware of this fact and bothered by it.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2012, 12:51:58 AM
I'm seeing black friends on Facebook wring their hands over QT's use of the n word. These are people I know, people who literally use the word in nearly every discussion we have. Why is it hard to admit the word was quite casually thrown around in slave times, and is still casually thrown around today?

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 30, 2012, 01:28:09 AM
Reminds me of people who wre disturbed by the imagery in Schindler's List. It happened, lets not hide from the truth.
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Post by: Robo on December 30, 2012, 01:34:55 AM
When I saw this in the theater, there was an audible gasp from the audience every time anyone said the N-word.  Really, every single time, right up to the very end.  I wonder if the trailers painted this out to be a different sort of film for those who aren't familiar with Tarantino.  What furthers my suspicion is that someone brought their 7-year-old (and then stayed through the entire showing) . . .

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2012, 01:44:01 AM
I honestly didn't expect there to be so much backlash, among black and white people about it. QT is far from a racist.

jesus, if you want to get offended by a truly tasteless film about slavery, go watch Goodbye Uncle Tom. Definitely the most "realistic" film about slavery, created by actual racists
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Post by: Beezy on December 30, 2012, 03:09:08 AM
This movie was so amazing. :lol
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 30, 2012, 07:24:53 AM
I honestly didn't expect there to be so much backlash, among black and white people about it. QT is far from a racist.

jesus, if you want to get offended by a truly tasteless film about slavery, go watch Goodbye Uncle Tom. Definitely the most "realistic" film about slavery, created by actual racists

Interesting.  When I saw this movie, most of the theater audience was black and I never heard any audible gasps or shit like that.  Everyone seemed to have enjoyed the movie.  A cursory review on the internet shows that it is mostly white hipsters who are grousing about the movie.  Considering their awful taste in just about everything, it only actually plays up the strength of the movie.  Buncha asshurt motherfuckers.
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Post by: T234 on December 31, 2012, 06:10:30 PM
The movie was tits.

QT has still got it.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Beezy on January 02, 2013, 12:55:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD__XBhYExc

Nier vibes :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: bork on January 02, 2013, 01:04:21 PM
"Black power defined" - in a film made by a white man!

Saw this last weekend and really enjoyed it.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 05, 2013, 07:17:34 PM
Quite good movie. I felt the first act was the weakest part of the film but when Leo enters the fray it's gold from there.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 05, 2013, 07:22:06 PM
Leo nails it, Jackson is just so gosh darn evil, and Waltz is his usual bubbly self. Jamie Foxx's acting wasn't bad, not by a long shot, but he does kind of get overshadowed by the more talky characters around him.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 05, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Lots of awesome spaghetti western tracks in this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlVBpEnjig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1BiMHTVz8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFsFKJvnEIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4PYRdb71_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH8ALyYC-hw

This new track by Morricone is awesome too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD__XBhYExc

Also, I was pumped when Franco Nero showed up. :rock
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Post by: Diunx on January 07, 2013, 08:04:10 PM
Movie was amazing.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 10:14:07 PM
Saw it earlier today. I went in expecting some crazy shit but was surprised at just how ridiculous it is lol. I've never been to an afternoon showing that was almost full, and the audience cheered at the end. The first few n-bombs clearly threw the audience off guard, but after awhile they were laughing at some of the racial jokes/slurs

Overall I thought the film was good. IMO the first half or so is alright, whereas the second half is pretty damn great. That first half has a few standout scenes, such as Django riding through the town on horseback for the first time (great use of the Sister Sarah track). But at the same time, the first half is quite reliant on Foxx and Waltz...and IMO Foxx wasn't particularly noteworthy - at least not initially; I do think he got better as the film progressed. Likewise Waltz didn't really impress me much early either. I think the issue with both was that a lot of their dialogue felt rather forgettable. Perhaps my favorite scene from the first half (outside of the hooded gang scene which was hilarious) was the campfire scene where Schultz tells Django the German fairytale.

Basically things get amazing once they meet Candie. I thought Leo's performance was great and he brought more out of Foxx than Waltz did. And then there's Samuel L Jackson...wow. Definitely the memorable character of the film, and one of the most memorable I've seen in years; you could tell the role was specifically written for him, and he played it perfectly.

Overall I thought it was a very good movie that perhaps missed out on greatness due to the beginning, and also the first shootout at the house. There's some very odd editing going on there, but overall my biggest problem was that the shootout overshadows the final scene. I feel like it would have been better if Shultz died and Django was immediately beaten up and arrested; then you could have Django escape from the mining shit, save his girl, and then return to the house and kill everyone/kill Stephen/blow up the house.

Also, I HATED the 2pac remix. I hate that Untouchable remix to begin with (fuck Swizz Beats), and adding it to that great remix of Payback seemed like sacrilege. Why not just let the Payback track play through the gun fight. Can't say I liked the Rick Ross addition earlier in the film either; it's not a bad sound, but it just felt odd. This is perhaps the first QT film I've ever had second guesses about his soundtrack selections.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2013, 10:20:09 PM
Nobody at the showing I went to seem to be bothered by the n-bombs. Although, it was a theater in a small, Texas town.

There was an old white couple sitting behind me that were really excited about the movie. :lol
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
I went with a white friend, and afterwards we talked about the film and I kind of got an impression why some white (and black, to be fair) people were offended by the film: it seems like a shit ton of people are not aware of the house slave and field slave dynamic, and seemed to think this was some wacky offensive Tarantino creation. I looked back at some friend comments on Facebook and found similar befuddlement, and even some anger. At one point Django says a black slaver is lower than a head house negro, and that lays the groundwork for his disdain for Stephen; I took that as a logical view that a field slave would have at the time, whereas some of my black friends were like "Django hates black people, just so film goers can say he's no different than the slave owners herp derp."

And then on the flip side when Shultz ponders whether Broomhilda is inside or outside the house, Django seems offended by the assertion and basically says "she's pretty, of course she'll be in the house." I found that to be an interesting undercurrent to the film, one that is both historical and honest. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that many white people aren't familiar with the concept considering how absent slavery is in most public school history curriculum, and those that are familiar seem to only recognize it on partisan political grounds that serve their agenda (for instance, the idea that black republicans=Uncle Toms; or that black democrats=content slaves).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQe9nUKzvQ
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Post by: Beezy on January 07, 2013, 10:43:36 PM
Overall I thought it was a very good movie that perhaps missed out on greatness due to the beginning, and also the first shootout at the house. There's some very odd editing going on there, but overall my biggest problem was that the shootout overshadows the final scene. I feel like it would have been better if Shultz died and Django was immediately beaten up and arrested; then you could have Django escape from the mining shit, save his girl, and then return to the house and kill everyone/kill Stephen/blow up the house.
Apparently it was like this in the original script. Not sure why they changed it.
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Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 07, 2013, 10:51:37 PM
Yeah they really bungled the climax. The editing was pretty awkward in an lot of parts. Amazing how tangible Sally Menke's absence is.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 10:53:00 PM
It just feels like such an odd transition. You go from an amazing shootout to...Django hanging from his ankles getting fondled by Shane Vendrell. And then the journey to the mine and that meh cameo - all of which would have felt more natural if it didn't follow that shootout
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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 07, 2013, 10:53:15 PM
the ultraviolence felt way out of place and just dumb. amaizng movie otherwise. And there was some weird edit in the very beggining of the movie where I was like "wait is there a scene missing there?" .


The scene where Django rides into town on horseback reminded me of blazing saddles too much though.
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Post by: Beezy on January 07, 2013, 10:56:26 PM
the ultraviolence felt way out of place and just dumb. amaizng movie otherwise. And there was some weird edit in the very beggining of the movie where I was like "wait is there a scene missing there?" .


The scene where Django rides into town on horseback reminded me of blazing saddles too much though.
How is that a bad thing?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 10:59:47 PM
The whole film had Blazing Saddles vibes to a degree, it was inevitable; I don't think that's a fair criticism against the film. You have to have a scene where a black guy rides into a town...and naturally everyone will automatically compare it to that Blazing Saddles scene.
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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 07, 2013, 11:00:09 PM
its not, it was clearly a homage, just it made me want to go watch blazing saddles more than django.

the first half of djange is real real bad. once leo comes in its god tier
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 07, 2013, 11:01:36 PM
well i shouldnt say bad but feels incredibly out of place
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 11:34:18 PM
I continue to believe Idris Elba would have been a better casting for Django than Foxx. Not saying Foxx was bad, but he just had so little screen presence to me for most of the film. To be fair, Tarantino didn't give him much material to work with either. Early in the film there's a scene where Hilda (another rather forgettable performance from Kerry Washington) is being whipped as Django begs for her to be spared. Watching it you don't get the impression DJango has any viseral reaction to his wife being whipped, he's kind of just calmly begging for her to be spared. Why not have a closeup shot of him wincing at every whip lash as he begs? Give your protagonist something to do, jeez
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 08, 2013, 12:24:46 AM
yeah that pissed me off so much in the film. every other character in a qt movie cant shut the fuck up, then here comes what could potentially be on of the most interesting characters hes done yet all django can say is "WHATS THAT WORD MEAN PLEASE EXPLAIN." i dunno if tarantino made this intentional or not but it totally felt like django never showed his full personality til his partner got killed.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2013, 12:41:43 AM
yeah that pissed me off so much in the film. every other character in a qt movie cant shut the fuck up, then here comes what could potentially be on of the most interesting characters hes done yet all django can say is "WHATS THAT WORD MEAN PLEASE EXPLAIN." i dunno if tarantino made this intentional or not but it totally felt like django never showed his full personality til his partner got killed.

I'm pretty sure it was intentional, since that's a pretty basic setup for the genre [and many others]. Basically, the same thing happened in Star Wars with Luke and Obi-wan.
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Post by: Beezy on January 08, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
I continue to believe Idris Elba would have been a better casting for Django than Foxx.
His height/size would make things awkward. He looks like a mandingo fighter.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 01:37:53 AM
I continue to believe Idris Elba would have been a better casting for Django than Foxx.
His height/size would make things awkward. He looks like a mandingo fighter.

Foxx looked pretty big shirtless too. Elba isn't as big as those fighters
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Post by: Beezy on January 08, 2013, 02:40:00 AM
Googled his height. He's 6'3". Foxx is 5'10". Huge difference.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2013, 04:03:19 PM
meh too generic, after Django imo. No need for more enslaved people

I'd rather see badass gays during the 70s.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on January 09, 2013, 04:04:39 PM
I'd rather see badass gays during the 70s.

Ah yes, the Tom of Finland era.
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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 09, 2013, 04:45:13 PM
You'll notice theres a strong German link so far, so if anything has to do with early America it would deal with the Hessians who were the german mercenaries who came over for the British.

But wouldn't Kill Bill be the first of the opressed trilogy?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 09, 2013, 04:51:10 PM
So after reading Tarantino's interview on the root, I've been thinking a lot about his "trilogy about the oppressed taking down the oppressors" and I think that the next logical step is Native Americans.

It goes further back, like how Inglourious Basterds is Jews during WW2 times which led into Django Unchained with Blacks during Slavery times. It's probably an even touchier subject than either, also there's a lot more misinformation about that than slavery even. Badass Jews in Germany during WW2 times to Badass Black Dude in the South during Slavery times to Badass Native American(s?) in America during the Revolution? Makes sense to me.

With QT's love of genre movies, I think it would make more sense to tackle a Roman empire sword and sandal movie. Caligula 2: Electric Dickaloo.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2013, 04:58:53 PM
QT doing a scifi movie might well be the best thing ever.
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Post by: Steve Contra on January 09, 2013, 07:18:56 PM
I'd rather see badass gays during the 70s.

Ah yes, the Tom of Finland era.
Please make this movie.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on January 11, 2013, 07:17:24 PM
ending was great; what i had a problem with is that 80% of the movie beforehand was german dude leading around django, coming up with all the plans, explaining words to django over and over ( ::) ). jamie foxx barely had any lines for most of the movie, and christopher waltz was  positioned as the central character in most of the scenes. django's character arc was way too muted too. he'd talk back and insult the white people, but we never got to hear him rebut all their bullshit, never even got to hear him detail his thoughts or tell a story or SOMETHING while he was with waltz or his wife or someone. we got to see multiple sides of a lot of characters, but django just felt like a cardboard cutout when he shoulda been a lot more.

basically i was hoping for something like kill bill's bride's asskicking mixed with some righteous anger and what i got was a typical hero story against a backdrop of white slaveowners.

also kerry washington's role was so wasted :'(
In the films foetal stage it was called 'Angry in a woodpile''.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2013, 07:40:10 PM
Kerry Washington sucks and doesn't date black men

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Post by: Positive Touch on January 11, 2013, 07:57:55 PM
yeah well shes still got a pretty face
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on January 11, 2013, 08:24:43 PM
Odd film.
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 12, 2013, 01:16:13 AM
I continue to believe Idris Elba would have been a better casting for Django than Foxx.
to be fair, Idris Elba would be better at most roles then most other actors, including Superman, Willie Loman, Ghenghis Khan, and Captain Kirk.

Just saw it tonight, and I really dug it.  Foxx was a bit of a weak link though.  I guess QT had to compromise on getting the lead he wanted for all the other very uncompromising content of the film.  And I'll be danged if this wasn't the funniest film I saw in a theater in many a day.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on January 12, 2013, 01:09:15 PM
I loved Don Jonsons snowy white whiskers in contrast to his luxuriant and obviously dyed hair.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 12, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
I would do very inappropriate things to Kerry Washington.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2013, 10:19:35 PM
Went and saw it this afternoon. Was better than I expected. Was a bit more cartoony than I expected also which turned out to be a positive.   The obvious comparison is Inglourious Basterds but I liked it a lot more than that movie.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 13, 2013, 03:04:19 AM
Tarantino movies are way too fucking long.  just got to the big shoot out and stopped.  seems like it should have ended here.
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Post by: Himu on January 15, 2013, 11:55:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS34OiuNmG0

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I’ve seen ‘Django Unchained’ 12 times. Never in the history of Hollywood, have they ever made anything that freed the inside of me. The inside of me. I’m 80-years-old, I saw cowboy movies, wasn’t no Black folks in cowboy movies. I’m looking at a Western, plus a love story. To those of you all that see it, you’ll never see a love story about a Black man and a Black woman where it wasn’t some foul sex and foul language, huh. And Spike Lee can’t appreciate that. The little thug ain’t even seen the movie; he’s acting like he White.
So it must be something personal. And all them Black entertainers that know Spike Lee, how you gone attack this man and don’t be attacking them … and then say everyone’s a fool but me. [Talking about] ‘it offended my ancestors,’ but when you did ‘She’s Got To Have It’ and some of those other thug movies you did…you took Malcolm X and put a Zoot suit on him…did that offend your ancestors, punk?
It’s a game, man. So whatever he’s mad about is something that happened way, way long ago. Thank God it didn’t work [to stop the movie from being successful].

:o

:bow
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Post by: Himu on January 15, 2013, 11:58:06 AM
I went with a white friend, and afterwards we talked about the film and I kind of got an impression why some white (and black, to be fair) people were offended by the film: it seems like a shit ton of people are not aware of the house slave and field slave dynamic, and seemed to think this was some wacky offensive Tarantino creation. I looked back at some friend comments on Facebook and found similar befuddlement, and even some anger. At one point Django says a black slaver is lower than a head house negro, and that lays the groundwork for his disdain for Stephen; I took that as a logical view that a field slave would have at the time, whereas some of my black friends were like "Django hates black people, just so film goers can say he's no different than the slave owners herp derp."

And then on the flip side when Shultz ponders whether Broomhilda is inside or outside the house, Django seems offended by the assertion and basically says "she's pretty, of course she'll be in the house." I found that to be an interesting undercurrent to the film, one that is both historical and honest. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that many white people aren't familiar with the concept considering how absent slavery is in most public school history curriculum, and those that are familiar seem to only recognize it on partisan political grounds that serve their agenda (for instance, the idea that black republicans=Uncle Toms; or that black democrats=content slaves).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQe9nUKzvQ

The BEST part of Stephen's character is that he is not your stereotypical house negro archetype character.

:bow QT bringing it
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 15, 2013, 05:03:34 PM
 :o i take back my criticism

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but seriously old dude:
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2013, 03:32:57 AM
:o i take back my criticism

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but seriously old dude:
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Like I said before. You have a idyllic, almost mythical idea of what black power even is. 

Django is a man who talks to white people in a time when it was the norm in America for blacks to not do that. Django reads, thought by all purposes, he shouldn't. Django has a wife, which again, by that time periods estimation he shouldn't. Django talks crap to white people like any other person and is not scared to do so. Django rides a horse, which to many, he shouldn't be allowed to do. Django rises above slavery and becomes a man, despite his blackness, doing great things and becoming a truly great person.

The most refreshing black film since Hotel Rwanda - that embodies everything about black power/black pride...

and you mention a fucking Black Panther rolling in his grave.

Never talk about race relations ever again, for my sake.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2013, 03:37:00 AM
Hotel Rwanda was refreshing? Too ripe for me
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2013, 03:46:17 AM
00's was fucking dry. I could have said the Great Debaters, but I don't think it's that refreshing. I was thinking of saying City of God, but I forgot what year it came out. I should emphasize on good. The top black films of the 00's are what, Love and Basketball, Antwone Fisher, Precious, Baby Boy, Brown Sugar, City of God, Drumline (:rock). It wasn't as varied as the 90's, that's for sure.

When did Undercover Brother come out? I miss black comedy films that aren't Tyler fucking Perry.
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2013, 03:50:18 AM
Goddamn looking at that list it's good to have a black movie where it's funny as hell. These other movies are too damn serious. Drumline :rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDXVgqmaYJk
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Post by: brawndolicious on January 17, 2013, 03:54:50 AM
Fucking Drumline? I don't know if that's sarcasm.

I was like 13 when Undercover Brother came out so I guess early 2000's. It's near the end of the decade but there was also Black Dynamite.
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2013, 03:57:36 AM
You hating on Drumline? :maf You probably don't "get it" because you weren't a band kid.

I forgot about Black Dynamite. Goddamn. :(
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Post by: brawndolicious on January 17, 2013, 04:10:37 AM
I was in band! Not Jazz band, I wasn't good enough. But I was still in band.

And I was a drummer!

I have a really serious question though: Can only black people have black power? I'm Iranian so that makes me ethnically Aryan and obviously I can't say that I have Aryan power. I want to get some of that black power.
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2013, 04:11:52 AM
BAND BUDDIES :rock

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Post by: Eric P on January 17, 2013, 07:48:42 AM
drumline is a legit very good film
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Post by: Vertigo on January 17, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
Finally get to see this tomorrow as it's out in the UK.




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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 17, 2013, 09:51:35 AM
Himuro black people had wifes back then. They weren't legally realized though and (like in this film) once the slaves were traded away it was broken.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2013, 01:12:14 PM
I'm starting to doubt Himu's understanding of black power
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2013, 01:15:31 PM
Is it because of Drumline? :maf
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 17, 2013, 01:16:59 PM
:lol
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2013, 01:27:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM6YxPZ8oRE

:piss PHOENIX DARK :piss2
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Post by: Mupepe on January 17, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
I hated drumline.  But I haven't seen it in ages.  I remember hating it though. 
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2013, 02:27:50 PM
I don't know anything about Drumline, but Black Dynamite and Undercover Brother are SO AWESOME.
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 17, 2013, 04:40:46 PM
real talk on a scale of 1-10, if malcom x were alive today how disappointed do you think he would be while reading through himus posting history
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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 17, 2013, 04:45:35 PM
could malcolm x even read  ???
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2013, 04:55:54 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on January 18, 2013, 07:46:28 AM
I loved the bit when he was allowed to choose his own clothes, and also the way that guy from Mortal Kombat and The Warriors was given two roles, the Dukes of Hazard guy, and Goggins saying distinguished black fellow and duhjango.

There were also bits that were utterly suffused with gayness.
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Post by: Robo on January 19, 2013, 12:48:52 AM
Has anyone ever been more appropriately typecast as a racist hick than Walton Goggins?

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Post by: drew on January 19, 2013, 01:34:00 AM
Django became who he is because a white man free'd him and had to coddle him through the transition, every time they free'd slaves they had to be told that they were free and what to do before they even thought about taking any action on their own behalf.  I can definitely see where all the hoopla comes from.  anyways great movie, the violence was hilarious and the guy who played the German stole the show.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 19, 2013, 10:18:39 AM
When I saw this in the theater, there was an audible gasp from the audience every time anyone said the N-word.  Really, every single time, right up to the very end.  I wonder if the trailers painted this out to be a different sort of film for those who aren't familiar with Tarantino.  What furthers my suspicion is that someone brought their 7-year-old (and then stayed through the entire showing) . . .

Who the fuck would bring a 7 year old to a Tarantino movie.

This is nothing to do with trailers but with people being stupid as fuck.
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Post by: Robo on January 19, 2013, 05:37:51 PM
When I saw this in the theater, there was an audible gasp from the audience every time anyone said the N-word.  Really, every single time, right up to the very end.  I wonder if the trailers painted this out to be a different sort of film for those who aren't familiar with Tarantino.  What furthers my suspicion is that someone brought their 7-year-old (and then stayed through the entire showing) . . .

Who the fuck would bring a 7 year old to a Tarantino movie.

This is nothing to do with trailers but with people being stupid as fuck.

It's like bringing your 13 year old daughter to a Polanski.
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Post by: Lan on January 19, 2013, 05:45:11 PM
I have made a promise to myself recently to never give money to any movie in theaters where the main plot revolves around a black character who is a slave, thug, ghetto, gangster, rapper, criminal, prostitute, crackhead, extremely overweight, has a speech impediment, mentally slow, or uneducated.

So I cant go see this movie.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 19, 2013, 05:50:30 PM
Ya I don't like to support black actors either.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 19, 2013, 05:55:49 PM
What?  I just feel like I shouldn't support bad acting.  That's all.  No racism. 
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Post by: Lan on January 19, 2013, 05:56:02 PM
Ya I don't like to support black actors either.

Cause they can only play demeaning shit to pass as believable? Well i know you weren't saying that.
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Post by: Diunx on January 19, 2013, 06:46:19 PM
I have made a promise to myself recently to never give money to any movie in theaters where the main plot revolves around a black character who is a slave, thug, ghetto, gangster, rapper, criminal, prostitute, crackhead, extremely overweight, has a speech impediment, mentally slow, or uneducated.

So I cant go see this movie.

lol
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Post by: Yeti on January 19, 2013, 07:00:25 PM
I have made a promise to myself recently to never give money to any movie in theaters where the main plot revolves around a black character who is a slave, thug, ghetto, gangster, rapper, criminal, prostitute, crackhead, extremely overweight, has a speech impediment, mentally slow, or uneducated.

So I cant go see this movie.

What if it's just the B Story that deals with that and not the main plot?
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2013, 08:08:47 PM
its always the side plot
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Post by: Lan on January 19, 2013, 10:22:41 PM
If its a minor character that is a negative a stereotype, I miiiiiiight watch it on netflicks.

I forgot to add the mammy/black nurse maid, shuck and jive, baby mama, baby daddy, pimping aint easy attitude, gangs, strong black female/angry black woman, black man complaining about black women, and drug dealers.

Sure that might sound unreasonable, but until there are more movies with blacks in positive roles I plan to forgo watching movies with these stereotypes.

I dont have any problem with others enjoying these movies, more power to you!
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2013, 10:34:46 PM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...
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Post by: Lan on January 19, 2013, 10:50:15 PM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

I dont believe his role was as positive as it seems. From the reviews i have read, He acts like a child after being freed, and only starts to kill after asking if he can by his sidekick who is really his puppetmaster. He only does this killing to get his wife back. Not to get revenge because he was enslaved or that his people as a whole was enslaved.

He is a ex-slave with no education who relies on a white man to mold/teach him but he doesnt use his new found knowledge to make life better for ones still in slavery, he just wants to save his wife...

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Sorry if I might be wrong, but I'm going by the reviews I have read.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 19, 2013, 10:53:36 PM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

He never really felt like the main character until the white dude died. Then they have to spend another 30 mins building him up as the real main character.
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Post by: Lan on January 19, 2013, 11:01:48 PM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

He never really felt like the main character until the white dude died. Then they have to spend another 30 mins building him up as the real main character.

That is what i read from some reviews. One good thing that this movie did was build interest in talking about it. There are so many view points on this film. I do enjoy reading all the reviews I have come across.
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Post by: drew on January 20, 2013, 12:11:09 AM
who the fuck is this nicca? OH I see now, his name is Lan LAN lan lan
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Post by: brawndolicious on January 20, 2013, 01:35:53 AM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

I dont believe his role was as positive as it seems. From the reviews i have read, He acts like a child after being freed, and only starts to kill after asking if he can by his sidekick who is really his puppetmaster. He only does this killing to get his wife back. Not to get revenge because he was enslaved or that his people as a whole was enslaved.

He is a ex-slave with no education who relies on a white man to mold/teach him but he doesnt use his new found knowledge to make life better for ones still in slavery, he just wants to save his wife...

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Sorry if I might be wrong, but I'm going by the reviews I have read.

He's sympathetic and realistic. Well not even realistic since he slaughtered a plantation house full of racists. And yes, he does get revenge on the people who were selling him and his wife. He even whips one of them!

Would Roots or any other movie about slavery not be interesting to you?

Yeah a lot of movies do the strong, black character mentored by an older white dude cliche (Antoine Fisher, Men of Honor) but he was a FUCKING SLAVE that got turned into a bounty hunter within 10 minutes. He was literally in chains, other than that he had nothing holding him back and the German dude didn't even do much beyond teach him how to shoot.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 02:20:55 AM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

I dont believe his role was as positive as it seems. From the reviews i have read, He acts like a child after being freed, and only starts to kill after asking if he can by his sidekick who is really his puppetmaster. He only does this killing to get his wife back. Not to get revenge because he was enslaved or that his people as a whole was enslaved.

He is a ex-slave with no education who relies on a white man to mold/teach him but he doesnt use his new found knowledge to make life better for ones still in slavery, he just wants to save his wife...

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Sorry if I might be wrong, but I'm going by the reviews I have read.

Way too much analysis going on here.

edit: or maybe I'm sleepy and this is a joke. Not sure of which.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 02:43:31 AM
The white guy broke Django's chains and set him down the right path, it was Django's decision to keep going down that path and get a little vengeance on the people [and the sorts of people] that put those chains on him in the first place. And calling King a "puppetmaster" is pretty ridiculous, I think, as there are several key moments where it's abundantly clear that Django isn't just taking orders from King or hanging around in the background until things are taken care of.

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Specifically, when Django kills two of the bounties on the plantation without waiting for King to show up and when he pulls King out of the fire over the Mandingo fighter that Candie was going to have killed. Plus, King got himself killed over a matter of pride, while Django seemed like he was more willing to swallow his pride if it meant getting the job done.
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Post by: Beezy on January 20, 2013, 03:24:42 AM
I dont believe his role was as positive as it seems. From the reviews i have read, He acts like a child after being freed, and only starts to kill after asking if he can by his sidekick who is really his puppetmaster. He only does this killing to get his wife back. Not to get revenge because he was enslaved or that his people as a whole was enslaved.

He is a ex-slave with no education who relies on a white man to mold/teach him but he doesnt use his new found knowledge to make life better for ones still in slavery, he just wants to save his wife...

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.
This. All of this. Is fucking dumb. Especially the part in bold.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2013, 03:57:03 AM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

I dont believe his role was as positive as it seems. From the reviews i have read, He acts like a child after being freed, and only starts to kill after asking if he can by his sidekick who is really his puppetmaster. He only does this killing to get his wife back. Not to get revenge because he was enslaved or that his people as a whole was enslaved.

He is a ex-slave with no education who relies on a white man to mold/teach him but he doesnt use his new found knowledge to make life better for ones still in slavery, he just wants to save his wife...

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Sorry if I might be wrong, but I'm going by the reviews I have read.

Do you view all films with such broad, macro expectations? Like say is Schindler's List a bad film because Schindler didn't free all the Jews? The plot of that film isn't about him saving every Jew, nor is Django Unchained about Django free every black slave. It's a typical revenge flick about someone trying to free his wife - and it happens to be set during slavery.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 20, 2013, 04:09:06 AM
wow, lan is a stupid asshole, who knew.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2013, 04:32:58 AM
wow, lan is a stupid asshole, who knew.

chill dude  :-\ ::)

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Post by: Diunx on January 20, 2013, 09:37:53 AM
lan :lol
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Post by: Sman on January 20, 2013, 10:36:54 AM
Quote
Leonardo Dicaprio taking 'a long, long break' from acting.

http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/leonardo-dicaprio-taking-a-long-long-break/

Django-related maybe?

I won't make the obvious joke here.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 10:42:25 AM
i would watch a movie staring lan, a strong black female protagonist who doesn't need a man and isn't afraid to speak her mind.
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Post by: Sman on January 20, 2013, 11:22:35 AM
i would watch a movie staring lan, a strong black female protagonist who doesn't need a man and isn't afraid to speak her mind.

And by venting online, generates an unstoppable movement leading to the creation of slave trade reparation payments to all who can prove their African American ancestry. Epic music lead to final scene with crowds cheering.

The End.

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After the end credits, America goes bankrupt, Chinese bankers dictate Greek-style austerity terms, country nose-dives, African Americans who can't flee wastes their reparation money trying to survive and end up worst off than before. The name Lan becomes synonym for 'hot-headed fool'.
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Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Beezy on January 20, 2013, 11:31:49 AM
Lan is a female?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Momo on January 20, 2013, 12:27:00 PM
Just started watching this. My first thought "why is this three hours"
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 12:41:01 PM
Quote
Leonardo Dicaprio taking 'a long, long break' from acting.

http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/leonardo-dicaprio-taking-a-long-long-break/

Django-related maybe?

I won't make the obvious joke here.

NO! Leo's been on a roll lately, he needs to keep making more movies!
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Momo on January 20, 2013, 12:54:38 PM
Oh yeah wanted to ask, apart from Tarantino is there any official link to Sukiyaki Western Django? Is this movie anywhere near as good? (30 mins in now)
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 01:06:27 PM
I just couldn't get past the awful, awful English dialog [spoken by people who likely don't understand English] in Sukiyaki Western Django. Quit after about 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Verdigris Murder on January 20, 2013, 03:57:42 PM
I still think that Tarantino has found his De Niro.

Also LAN, despite your views, if you watched it, and had a tolerance of fantasy violence, you'd really enjoy it !

Have you seen Kill List? There's no racism, and if you're a DIY fan, there's a great bit.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 08:55:03 PM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

I dont believe his role was as positive as it seems. From the reviews i have read, He acts like a child after being freed, and only starts to kill after asking if he can by his sidekick who is really his puppetmaster. He only does this killing to get his wife back. Not to get revenge because he was enslaved or that his people as a whole was enslaved.

He is a ex-slave with no education who relies on a white man to mold/teach him but he doesnt use his new found knowledge to make life better for ones still in slavery, he just wants to save his wife...

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Sorry if I might be wrong, but I'm going by the reviews I have read.

Do you view all films with such broad, macro expectations? Like say is Schindler's List a bad film because Schindler didn't free all the Jews? The plot of that film isn't about him saving every Jew, nor is Django Unchained about Django free every black slave. It's a typical revenge flick about someone trying to free his wife - and it happens to be set during slavery.

I have said in an eariler comment that I've decided recently to be more selective of the movies I spend my money on. I dont have any problem with anyone else enjoying this film. Why is there a problem with me deciding what I choose to expose myself to? Is it because everyone is watching it and most people accept this film? Im glad for that, but I can not enjoy these kinds of films anymore. People may call me stupid, moronic, an asshole, or whatever they may please. But I wont change my decision on the manner.


Summary: Ive watched movies like this before but I wont anymore.


Fistful: why do you think I see myself as a strong black woman who doesnt need a man?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2013, 09:02:56 PM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

I dont believe his role was as positive as it seems. From the reviews i have read, He acts like a child after being freed, and only starts to kill after asking if he can by his sidekick who is really his puppetmaster. He only does this killing to get his wife back. Not to get revenge because he was enslaved or that his people as a whole was enslaved.

He is a ex-slave with no education who relies on a white man to mold/teach him but he doesnt use his new found knowledge to make life better for ones still in slavery, he just wants to save his wife...

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Sorry if I might be wrong, but I'm going by the reviews I have read.

Do you view all films with such broad, macro expectations? Like say is Schindler's List a bad film because Schindler didn't free all the Jews? The plot of that film isn't about him saving every Jew, nor is Django Unchained about Django free every black slave. It's a typical revenge flick about someone trying to free his wife - and it happens to be set during slavery.

I have said in an eariler comment that I've decided recently to be more selective of the movies I spend my money on. I dont have any problem with anyone else enjoying this film. Why is there a problem with me deciding what I choose to expose myself to? Is it because everyone is watching it and most people accept this film? Im glad for that, but I can not enjoy these kinds of films anymore. People may Call me stupid, moronic, an asshole, or whatever they may please. But I wont chance my decision on the manner.


Summary: Ive watched movies like this before but I wont anymore.


Fistful: why do you think I see myself as a strong black woman who doesnt need a man?

I don't think it's a problem, just was curious on how you critique films. What are some of your favorite movies form the last few years?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 09:06:48 PM
because i wish i was as strong as you lan. tell me the secret of your strength
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 09:15:11 PM
because i wish i was as strong as you lan. tell me the secret of your strength

Im not sure what you are talking about, Ive never said "I dont need a man" or that "I am a strong independent woman"....I dont know even know where you are getting this from tbh. At least troll with a bit of sense.

Ive been in a relationship, have you?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Robo on January 20, 2013, 09:20:47 PM
annihilated.  :bow Lan :bow2
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 20, 2013, 09:30:29 PM
Lan if you attack anything popular here people will jump down your throat just ignore them
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 09:32:33 PM


Ive been in a relationship, have you?

are you asking me out on a date?  :-[
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
But...Django has a black main character in a positive role...

I dont believe his role was as positive as it seems. From the reviews i have read, He acts like a child after being freed, and only starts to kill after asking if he can by his sidekick who is really his puppetmaster. He only does this killing to get his wife back. Not to get revenge because he was enslaved or that his people as a whole was enslaved.

He is a ex-slave with no education who relies on a white man to mold/teach him but he doesnt use his new found knowledge to make life better for ones still in slavery, he just wants to save his wife...

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Sorry if I might be wrong, but I'm going by the reviews I have read.

Do you view all films with such broad, macro expectations? Like say is Schindler's List a bad film because Schindler didn't free all the Jews? The plot of that film isn't about him saving every Jew, nor is Django Unchained about Django free every black slave. It's a typical revenge flick about someone trying to free his wife - and it happens to be set during slavery.

I have said in an eariler comment that I've decided recently to be more selective of the movies I spend my money on. I dont have any problem with anyone else enjoying this film. Why is there a problem with me deciding what I choose to expose myself to? Is it because everyone is watching it and most people accept this film? Im glad for that, but I can not enjoy these kinds of films anymore. People may Call me stupid, moronic, an asshole, or whatever they may please. But I wont chance my decision on the manner.


Summary: Ive watched movies like this before but I wont anymore.


Fistful: why do you think I see myself as a strong black woman who doesnt need a man?

I don't think it's a problem, just was curious on how you critique films. What are some of your favorite movies form the last few years?

Wow, I cant even remember all the movie Ive watched....

I did like Last summer's Batman, I liked James Bond.... i usually enjoy fantasy movies and sci fi. My favorite from 2012 was The Avengers.

Tbf, I watched these before I decided to be more selective. Yet I do think these films would still pass because there are less black stereotypes in them. Partly because there are few black actors playing in these movies. But the few black actors that played in these films, were not part of any stereotype that I have found demeaning.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
do you want to go see a movie on our date? i hear there is a pretty good movie staring jamie foxx in theaters right now.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 09:37:40 PM
Lan if you attack anything popular here people will jump down your throat just ignore them

I've ignored them, notice how I only address PD.  :)
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 09:39:45 PM
do you want to go see a movie on our date? i hear there is a pretty good movie staring jamie foxx in theaters right now.

Why are you mad that you have never had a girlfriend? Thats not my fault dude.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 09:44:22 PM
it will be your fault if you no-show
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2013, 09:44:42 PM
do you want to go see a movie on our date? i hear there is a pretty good movie staring jamie foxx in theaters right now.

Why are you mad that you have never had a girlfriend? Thats not my fault dude.

He's mostly mad that it's illegal for him to date the women in the age range he's truly interested in.  Did I say women?  I meant pre-teens.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 09:48:53 PM

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Django is a love story mixed in with revenge story and western. what the fuck do you want? Django even learns how to read.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 09:51:58 PM

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Django is a love story mixed in with revenge story and western. what the fuck do you want? Django even learns how to read.

Im just over slavery, racism films. I want to see black actors with less stereotypes connected to their roles. I'm fine with waiting.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 09:52:52 PM
real talk on a scale of 1-10, if malcom x were alive today how disappointed do you think he would be while reading through himus posting history

real talk on a scale of 1-10, who else is sick of positive touch thinking he has a pulse on blackness?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2013, 09:53:03 PM
I also want a unicorn, and won't use my car until I get one.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 09:54:25 PM

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Django is a love story mixed in with revenge story and western. what the fuck do you want? Django even learns how to read.

Im just over slavery, racism films. I want to see black actors with less stereotypes connected to their roles. I'm fine with waiting.

1. slavery films are not that common.
2. how is slavery a stereotype? it was a part of our history.
3. django is not a slavery film.

???
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2013, 09:56:31 PM
mmm, pulsing blackness :drool
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 09:59:46 PM

It would be a revenge film if after he saved his wife he fought to end slavery by meeting up with Abraham Lincon or start a task force to end slavery.

Django is a love story mixed in with revenge story and western. what the fuck do you want? Django even learns how to read.

Im just over slavery, racism films. I want to see black actors with less stereotypes connected to their roles. I'm fine with waiting.

1. slavery films are not that common.
2. how is slavery a stereotype? it was a part of our history.
3. django is not a slavery film.

???

Himmy, Im very particular.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
Slavery films are VERY rare. Wasn't the last "big" slavery film Amistad?

I masturbated to the nudity scenes in that movie. I'm not proud but my only other option at the time was the Sears catalog  :'(
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 10:01:18 PM
i enjoy the fact that QT can pretty much make whatever movie he wants to but i would like him to go back and do something smaller. changing film styles and genres every film has, itself, become predictable. of course my favorite movie oh his is Reservoir Dogs so I'm a bit impartial.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 10:03:39 PM
mmm, pulsing blackness :drool

(http://i.minus.com/igh5Ekr84EuMK.gif)
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2013, 10:04:37 PM
real talk on a scale of 1-10, if malcom x were alive today how disappointed do you think he would be while reading through himus posting history

real talk on a scale of 1-10, who else is sick of positive touch thinking he has a pulse on blackness?

 :heart never stop being so sensitive
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 10:05:02 PM
i enjoy the fact that QT can pretty much make whatever movie he wants to but i would like him to go back and do something smaller. changing film styles and genres every film has, itself, become predictable. of course my favorite movie oh his is Reservoir Dogs so I'm a bit impartial.

Fuck that. I want a sci-fi film.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Momo on January 20, 2013, 10:06:02 PM
well i finished it
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 10:06:50 PM
shrug. i'm not a fan of campy sci-fi schlock and i would imagine that's exactly what QT would go for if he ever made one.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 10:08:05 PM
i enjoy the fact that QT can pretty much make whatever movie he wants to but i would like him to go back and do something smaller. changing film styles and genres every film has, itself, become predictable. of course my favorite movie oh his is Reservoir Dogs so I'm a bit impartial.

Fuck that. I want a sci-fi film.

I said that earlier in this thread and got shot down! :maf
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
real talk on a scale of 1-10, if malcom x were alive today how disappointed do you think he would be while reading through himus posting history

real talk on a scale of 1-10, who else is sick of positive touch thinking he has a pulse on blackness?

 :heart never stop being so sensitive

It's not me being sensitive. It's me being tired of your incessant fuck-white-people-I-love-black-people-wigger-let-me-name-drop-this-black-panther- because -I'm-down-I-wish-I-were-black-so-I-could-fuck-a-black-chick shtick.

Shit is played out. It's great that you care so much about brown people but DAG.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 10:14:09 PM
Yes, slavery films are rare. I didnt see Amistad.


Um wtf about the above comment. Lol


White guys: If you want to date a black girl just ask her. Despite popular belief many black women will date men who are not black.

You Welcome..
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2013, 10:17:03 PM
if it makes you feel any better my favorite band is ween
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 10:19:16 PM
Yes, slavery films are rare. I didnt see Amistad.


Um wtf about the above comment. Lol


White guys: If you want to date a black girl just ask her. Despite popular belief many black women will date men who are not black.

You Welcome..

If you acknowledge that slavery films are rare and we have said that Django is not a slavery film then ???

Anyways, I don't know what this is about black people playing in stereotypes. Aside from Tyler Perry films aren't we kinda past that?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 20, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
if it makes you feel any better my favorite band is ween

my favorite band 2 :bow :bow
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
Yes, slavery films are rare. I didnt see Amistad.


Um wtf about the above comment. Lol


White guys: If you want to date a black girl just ask her. Despite popular belief many black women will date men who are not black.

You Welcome..

If you acknowledge that slavery films are rare and we have said that Django is not a slavery film then ???

Anyways, I don't know what this is about black people playing in stereotypes. Aside from Tyler Perry films aren't we kinda past that?

The Help, Blind Side, and Precious are some films that come to mind.

Why hasnt anyone touched on how Django doesnt kill Candi?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 10:34:48 PM
what's there to touch upon? As a viewer, you expect Django to kill Candi because you want it to happen. QT is a film maker and sometimes in films, doing the opposite of what the viewer wants is the superior choice.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 10:35:46 PM
But I agree. Django should have killed Candi so you could satiate your bloodlust for Black on White vengence.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2013, 10:37:36 PM
if it makes you feel any better my favorite band is ween

my favorite band 2 :bow :bow

 :heartbeat :heart :heartbeat :heart :heartbeat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e-aPughYQQ
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 10:37:49 PM
Fist might be the worst user on this forum.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 20, 2013, 10:40:20 PM
if it makes you feel any better my favorite band is ween

my favorite band 2 :bow :bow

 :heartbeat :heart :heartbeat :heart :heartbeat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e-aPughYQQ
:heartbeat :heart :heartbeat :heart :heartbeat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5J0fdimtHM
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 10:40:50 PM
excuse me, i have a legit to troll post ratio to maintain.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 10:43:24 PM
but by all means, ignore the post above and continue to see ulterior motives in movies just to fit your narrow childish view on films.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 10:49:10 PM
Fistful is right. Django is a western. And much like westerns QT has an admiration for Kung fu films. What is a constant trope in westerns and pint fu films? A master teaching a student. Besides being friends that is their relationship. In genre films like this the master often dies for the student to grow. Think Obi Wan in Star Wars.

This is basic film making.

And Tarantino is a total film NERD and bases his films around common film tropes and outcomes with a twist. Django not killing Candie is merely an ode to westerns.

That is all.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Lan on January 20, 2013, 10:56:45 PM
Then can it be a revenge film? Candie took his wife, but he doesnt kill him, someone else does. He also has to ask for permission to kill white people until the end of the movie. I dont see Django as a hero, what hero answers to his side kick for most of the movie? From what i read in reviews Django has less lines than his own side kick.  :lol
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 20, 2013, 11:06:23 PM
Foxx and Waltz are both the heroes of the film. However Foxx is the student and Waltz is the teacher. He's passing his knowledge down to Django and ultimately sacrifices himself to instill the morals onto him. It isn't just that "someone else does". It's the master dying so that student can go. Like what Himu stated.

You don't understand the film because you have not seen it.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 11:14:02 PM
Django's wife had been taken away long before Candie had anything to do with her, and Django killed two of the Brittle brothers early in the film well before King was able to get to the scene. King didn't "give him permission," and for most of the movie they're actually working together as PARTNERS.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Beezy on January 20, 2013, 11:29:27 PM
Django's wife had been taken away long before Candie had anything to do with her, and Django killed two of the Brittle brothers early in the film well before King was able to get to the scene. King didn't "give him permission," and for most of the movie they're actually working together as PARTNERS.
Seeing as how you didn't watch the movie, the Brittle brothers are the ones who whipped, branded, and sold Django's wife.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2013, 11:39:53 PM
Yes, slavery films are rare. I didnt see Amistad.


Um wtf about the above comment. Lol


White guys: If you want to date a black girl just ask her. Despite popular belief many black women will date men who are not black.

You Welcome..

If you acknowledge that slavery films are rare and we have said that Django is not a slavery film then ???

Anyways, I don't know what this is about black people playing in stereotypes. Aside from Tyler Perry films aren't we kinda past that?

The Help, Blind Side, and Precious are some films that come to mind.

Why hasnt anyone touched on how Django doesnt kill Candi?

But aren't The Help and Blind Side pretty standard "white person helps black person find something good about themselves" Oscar bait films?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 11:46:11 PM
Why hasnt anyone touched on how Django doesnt kill Candi?
You don't know what you are talking about. It's one thing to have opinions about things you have actually seen to see the full context of things but you read a plot summary or some reviews and are making all these weird assumptions or going in with all these weird assumptions about how the movie should be. It's cool to not like something or not be interested in something. It's not that cool to speak as an expert on something you haven't even seen.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Diunx on January 22, 2013, 02:29:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oykezQu1oc
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Momo on January 22, 2013, 02:36:37 PM
Oh yeah wanted to ask, apart from Tarantino is there any official link to Sukiyaki Western Django? Is this movie anywhere near as good? (30 mins in now)

Franco Nero is the guy Jamie Foxx spells his name too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_(character)

Jesus.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 22, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
Oh yeah wanted to ask, apart from Tarantino is there any official link to Sukiyaki Western Django? Is this movie anywhere near as good? (30 mins in now)

Franco Nero is the guy Jamie Foxx spells his name too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_(character)

Jesus.

Most of those are just ripoffs that the production company slapped Django's name on, though. :lol
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 22, 2013, 02:58:32 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Django_2_dvd.jpg)
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: TEEEPO on January 22, 2013, 04:13:15 PM
Then can it be a revenge film? Candie took his wife, but he doesnt kill him, someone else does. He also has to ask for permission to kill white people until the end of the movie. I dont see Django as a hero, what hero answers to his side kick for most of the movie? From what i read in reviews Django has less lines than his own side kick.  :lol

Django and especially Schultz never intended to walk into Candyland guns blazing and instead, devised a clever plan to work around having to pull their guns from their holsters. the film makes it explicitly clear that the moment Django discovered the whereabouts of Broomhilda, that he was firmly in control of his own actions and was better capable at assessing the situation than even his own "white" master hence the trope, the apprentice becomes the master. also, he never needed permission to kill anyone...

and to address the part of Candie taking his wife, in terms of narration, Tarantino does a-lot of interesting twists that plays with the users expectations which are basically the simple narrative structure we've come to expect from our films, which very few seldom breakaway from. you'd imagine with how they setup the beginning, that the mid to end game would've been Django tracking down and killing the Brittle brothers, who branded, tortured and sold Broomhilda, thus getting revenge. Instead, we see him passionately murdering the two of them a few scenes after they're introduced via flashback, before he even becomes a bounty hunter or a freeman. it was only natural for a woman with her looks and set of skills to be a house slave somewhere along the Mississippi, and while Candie was a terrible person, he was just like any other slave owner during that time, just maybe a bit more of an eccentric. Schultz despised the man, more so than probably Django, and couldn't resist killing him even if it meant ending his life along the Mississippi which he stated is the last place he wanted to die. Also it's a common western trope for either of the antagonists to be shot by who you least expected.

the film is incredibly well calculated, even with Schultz killing Candie and Django being captured and sold to the mining company. everything serves its purpose, either to paying tribute to the past or even help progressing the story. like Himuro said, Tarantino is a self-indulging film aficionado who likes to incorporate common film tropes and twists from the past into his movies. it doesn't hurt that he's also very intuitive when going about with it. I don't even know why i even considered seriously responding to your crap but if you've enjoyed his past movies and aren't an overly sensitive about racial issues, then by all means, do see the film. then again, you've literally already read the entire fucking wikipedia so why bother?
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Vertigo on January 22, 2013, 05:07:31 PM
Finally got to see this. Fantastic as expected.

Went to a friends house at the weekend for a movie party and he had this movie. I'd heard of it but never seen it.  :o Some real crazy shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFJQ-XHcUGg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCtCEKzmMsQ
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2013, 08:57:04 PM
That movie is legit insane, and created by racists. Definitely worth watching though imo
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: brawndolicious on January 23, 2013, 06:39:54 AM
Then can it be a revenge film? Candie took his wife, but he doesnt kill him, someone else does. He also has to ask for permission to kill white people until the end of the movie. I dont see Django as a hero, what hero answers to his side kick for most of the movie? From what i read in reviews Django has less lines than his own side kick.  :lol

Django is very good at playing up the egos of the slavers and outlaws. In every life or death situation, he always reacts instantly but he doesn't instigate violence if he can avoid it.

Eventually, he gets revenge on everyone. For the first third of the film, Schultz plays the " white guy " in their cons to get closer to the targets. About the first half of the movie is about showing how Django and Schultz can be just as cunning in wit and skilled with guns.

Once they get to the plantation, and you see how much Schultz and Candie hate each other and Django and the head butler hate each other, it's about showing the dignity these people have is completely separate from their skin color.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 03, 2013, 10:45:10 AM
Just saw this last night, and while I thought it was a really good movie the logic sort of falls apart for me when Schultz kills Candie. I just didn't buy that he would jeopardize everything they came to Candie Land for over a crisis of conscience. He's written as a very smart character, and that was a very dumb, out of character move. He'd have known there was no possible way they could shoot their way out of there, and in all likelihood they'd both be killed along with Broomhilda. My fiance looked at me when he did that and said "Why did he do that? That was stupid." Surely Tarantino could have thought  of a better reason to escalate the violence at that point, because it just seemed to me Schultz killing him was only there to set up the bloodbath which followed. "Django has to kill a bunch of people at this point in the movie, so Schultz has to kill Candie first."
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2013, 12:42:45 PM
Well, illogical or not, stupid or not, it was the kind of scene that I absolutely wanted to see at that moment. Ya know?
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Post by: naff on February 03, 2013, 05:00:22 PM
I thought it fit his character well, despite being written as very smart he was also this passionate badass who loathed Candi and everything he stood for. Absolutely wanted to see that happen and witness the showdown too so pretty happy with that scene.

The part where Tarantino comes in and sounds like an Australian really baffled me. What the fuck was a group of Aussies doing in the wild west??? Good movie nonetheless.
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Post by: Mupepe on February 03, 2013, 05:39:17 PM
It fits Schultz's character as a guy who would hate "losing" to someone like Candie.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 03, 2013, 05:44:18 PM
I don't think so.  I'm pretty sure he had to be killed off because Schultz was a better character that Django, and a revenge movie of a white dude getting revenge on other white dudes for slavery doesn't work.  It would have been better had he died from a mess up instead of suiciding. 
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2013, 05:56:45 PM
Django wouldn't take unnecessary risks to try to get revenge. He actually has something besides his own life to lose.

I think it says something that a person like Schultz (who is not black) could afford to show his disgust with slavery. Any black people in the country at the time would have method-acted how to hide their emotions around slavers and wouldn't have let their emotions be expressed verbally much less by a Derringer.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 03, 2013, 06:14:19 PM
The point I'm trying to make is even if Schultz were the type to kill Candie and commit suicide out of some sense of honor or conscience (and up until that point in the movie there was no indication he was), he certainly wasn't the type to put a death sentence on his friend (and the wife they were so close to walking out of there with) along with him. A short bit where he maybe catches Candie giving the nod to his thugs and realizing they weren't going to be allowed off the property alive, so he might as well kill him, would have made a bit more sense.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2013, 06:29:19 PM
The point I'm trying to make is even if Schultz were the type to kill Candie and commit suicide out of some sense of honor or conscience (and up until that point in the movie there was no indication he was), he certainly wasn't the type to put a death sentence on his friend (and the wife they were so close to walking out of there with) along with him. A short bit where he maybe catches Candie giving the nod to his thugs and realizing they weren't going to be allowed off the property alive, so he might as well kill him, would have made a bit more sense.

Agreed. I suppose he may have truly thought Django was an actual hero who would save his wife regardless of what happened, but overall he seemed rather grounded/realistic throughout the film compared to that final rash decision.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2013, 07:07:54 PM
You have to remember that we've never seen Schultz kill anybody for the sake of morality or cathartic pleasure until he killed Candie. That was never a situation he had been in, d it was basically his first murder that wasn't premeditated. That was a mistake that only somebody who wasn't black could make, which is why he turned to Django and said that he was sorry.

I'm sure all of Candie'a field slaves imagined everyday how they would kill the slavers but they would never act on it. The fact that Schultz wasn't used to having that restraint is what made him kill Candie.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 04, 2013, 09:21:42 PM
Looks like Django Unchained is going to become Tarantino's most successful movie. It's currently at a little over $300 million worldwide and it's still pretty early in its overseas release, where it's been doing very well.
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Post by: Himu on February 05, 2013, 12:58:10 AM
Looks like Django Unchained is going to become Tarantino's most successful movie. It's currently at a little over $300 million worldwide and it's still pretty early in its overseas release, where it's been doing very well.

:bow
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 05, 2013, 05:48:01 AM
Looks like the butthurterati took a big L with this one.  Movie was great and I'll probably get the Blu Gay of this when it comes out.
Title: Re: Django Unchained - holy fuck this film is black power defined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2013, 09:13:04 AM
You have to remember that we've never seen Schultz kill anybody for the sake of morality or cathartic pleasure until he killed Candie. That was never a situation he had been in, d it was basically his first murder that wasn't premeditated. That was a mistake that only somebody who wasn't black could make, which is why he turned to Django and said that he was sorry.

I'm sure all of Candie'a field slaves imagined everyday how they would kill the slavers but they would never act on it. The fact that Schultz wasn't used to having that restraint is what made him kill Candie.

He sure as he'll didn't sound sorry. He was basically like oh well, good luck nicca