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Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 01, 2013, 10:33:41 PM
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Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2013, 10:35:21 PM
buy a vita
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Himu on January 01, 2013, 10:38:32 PM
if you buy a vita i'll love you
if you don't buy a vita i'll hate you
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: treythemovie on January 01, 2013, 10:40:13 PM
Stores will soon be trying to give you one just to get it off of shelves?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: demi on January 01, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
You have no responsibilities and nothing else to spend money on. Why wouldn't you?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: pilonv1 on January 01, 2013, 11:00:18 PM
If you already don't play your PS3, then you're got the home version but with more choices of what not to play
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 01, 2013, 11:38:45 PM
buy a vita, lost causes are beautiful
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 01, 2013, 11:42:30 PM
are there lots of games you want on it?   do you like PS1/PSP BC?   Do ports sound good? 

if yes, then get one.  if no, then don't. 

feckin' "convince me" threads man, i swear
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 01, 2013, 11:45:48 PM
well you see

i really want to play P4G.

and PSN+ looks like a good deal. bunch of free games.


we're looking at a maybe 62% i'll have a vita by the end of the week.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 01, 2013, 11:53:19 PM
P4G isn't a bad reason, even if it's just to play through it then sell the Vita. 

PS+ for Vita is okay.  Mutant Blobs is gone now, so is JSR.  Chronovolt is in and it sucks.  RCR is in-- meh game with pretty funny nostalgia-stroking writing.  You still get Uncharted, Wipeout, and Gravity Rush.   The thing is, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot they could put up for Vita, so I'm thinking the offerings won't get much better over the course of this year, unless like every game on the system goes up for free. 

buuuut you get PS+ for PS3 also, which is where the value really comes in.

I think it's a tough sell on Vita games alone, but fuck do I have a ton of PSP and PS1 games on there to sweeten the deal.  I hadn't bought many PSP games on PSN before and was surprised to see how cheap they are. 

as for the system itself, definitely one of my favorite designs ever.  it's the system everyone dreamed of when the PSP came out--dual analogs on the go with console quality graphics.  just terribly timed though.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: DCharlieJP on January 02, 2013, 12:01:12 AM
If they really are going to do the -proper- rumoured relaunch in the March/April time frame then i'd expect them to either lop off a good $50, throw out some new colour machines, or , more likely, throw in some longer free PS+ time.

If you can hold off until then - it's likely going to be worth it.

If they announce nothing in the February Sony thing then you can start cremating this piggy (or, at the very least, hack the PSP side and play some emus - i was under impression this was some really hard tricky thing to do but it's easy. Why hallo thar, Revenge Of Shinobi...)
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: pilonv1 on January 02, 2013, 12:05:05 AM
$100 off here, new colours and 12mths PS+ free would be needed here to turn heads. Almost to the stage where you could buy two low end PS3's here for the price of a 3G Vita
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: DCharlieJP on January 02, 2013, 12:17:19 AM
i'd have thought the memory card + 1 year of PS+ might help but i don't think it will

it needs to be some sort of bundle -and- a price cut. But then what? I'm sure Nintendo will just lop off some more off the XL and they'll be back in "ah... still fucked"-ville

they need a proper relaunch to bring in "the masses" - big hitting names ASAP or it's all over. For maximum drama , a Monster Hunter game announcement would be hilarious, then something equally crazy like Diablo Vita for the west.

But yes - the reality is likely "Here is Soul Sacrifice again! And Gravity Daze 2!"

However, that's talking about the masses - the only other thing that is of slight concern is that , if this machine really is going down the tube and it's going to limp along for 2-3 years, then -unfortunately- Sony seem to have done a good job on the projection so it's secondary potential life as an amazingly solid emu/homebrew box looks unlikely too.

But hell, if you can find something worth playing - go for it.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: cool breeze on January 02, 2013, 12:24:11 AM
well you see

i really want to play P4G.

and PSN+ looks like a good deal. bunch of free games.


we're looking at a maybe 62% i'll have a vita by the end of the week.

If you really want to play P4G and think that experience is worth losing whatever you'd gain by waiting*, then go ahead.  If you didn't want to buy a Vita outside of P4G and are effectively treating it as if you're spending $300+ for a game and maybe some other stuff, then uh go ahead I guess maybe I dunno.  If you have the money and think it'll make you happy, P4G is supposed to be nearly 100 hours long or something.  That's a lot of time.  $300+ is also a lot of money for some people (for a toy).  Depends.  Default response is "no" but there's an actual use and reason for purchase this time.

Is Golden that much better than Persona 4 on PS2 or something?

Know that you should've thought considered this a week or three ago when there were some good deal.!

*what, $50 price cut with included game and memory stick?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: pilonv1 on January 02, 2013, 12:25:47 AM
i'd have thought the memory card + 1 year of PS+ might help but i don't think it will

it needs to be some sort of bundle -and- a price cut. But then what? I'm sure Nintendo will just lop off some more off the XL and they'll be back in "ah... still fucked"-ville

I would argue that prospective Vita buyers (all 7 of them) in the west aren't choosing between Vita and 3DS, they're choosing between Vita and tablets. I can get an iPad 2 here for the same price as a Vita + a game, and by the time I throw in a memory card it's getting close to iPad 4 pricing.

Ultimately I think you're right about it's future though.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: DCharlieJP on January 02, 2013, 12:32:31 AM
I guess i'm coming at it more from a JPN angle - i still think there's a slew of PSP owners who have yet to move but, as i say, once MH4 drops out here - if there's no sign of anything coming for Vita - then the chances of converting PSP owners to Vita owners is long gone.

That said - that's probably long gone anyways. PSP is the budget recession machine of forever. You can build a life long library on under a $100 - or , you know, just throw in a memory card and get the five-finger-discount on everything.
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 02, 2013, 05:14:40 AM
I can't recommend the Vita with no PSP backlog. But if you're like me, someone with a big backlog and a PSP that shat the bed years ago, the Vita is a good deal. The budding Vita library and PS+ offers are a nice bonus. As long as you get a nice deal on the system and 32gb that is, but those aren't hard to come by these days.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 02, 2013, 05:27:39 AM
Now that custom firmware is available there are no longer any valid reasons to not buy a Vita.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: maxy on January 02, 2013, 05:53:07 AM
i'd have thought the memory card + 1 year of PS+ might help but i don't think it will

it needs to be some sort of bundle -and- a price cut. But then what? I'm sure Nintendo will just lop off some more off the XL and they'll be back in "ah... still fucked"-ville

they need a proper relaunch to bring in "the masses" - big hitting names ASAP or it's all over. For maximum drama , a Monster Hunter game announcement would be hilarious, then something equally crazy like Diablo Vita for the west.

But yes - the reality is likely "Here is Soul Sacrifice again! And Gravity Daze 2!"

However, that's talking about the masses - the only other thing that is of slight concern is that , if this machine really is going down the tube and it's going to limp along for 2-3 years, then -unfortunately- Sony seem to have done a good job on the projection so it's secondary potential life as an amazingly solid emu/homebrew box looks unlikely too.

But hell, if you can find something worth playing - go for it.

Maybe Sony will use it as PS4 controller.

There is some talk about PS4 controller surprise,heard anything?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 02, 2013, 06:04:07 AM
I really hope not. Even though the controls are great for a handheld system they're nowhere close as good as a DualShock 3. It's very easy to accidentally move the analog sticks while using the d-pad or the face buttons. Also, the shoulder buttons are a bit flimsy.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: maxy on January 02, 2013, 06:17:11 AM
I was thinking about redesigned Vita,of course.

I don't think Sony plans to piss off COD userbase.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 02, 2013, 06:23:52 AM
That'd be fine I guess. I still don't get the benefit of using a tablet for a home console, but then again I haven't played ZombiU or any of the other titles taking advantage of the feature. Maybe I should unwrap Nintendo Land.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 02, 2013, 07:21:39 AM
Not sure how it could work as a PS4 controller unless they're willing to ditch L2/R2, L3/R3, and integrate the back touchpad.  Doesn't seem likely.

The only thing I can see working is if Sony really pushes cross play between the PS4 and Vita as a response to the Xbox Surface (or whatever they call it) and the Wii U gamepad.  I don't know, we'll have to see.  I'm not an industry insider or anything but I find it hard to believe that Sony won't start phasing the Vita out throughout 2013 to focus entirely on the PS4.  It's past the point of revival and I'm not even sure bringing back Monster Hunter would revitalize it.  It's a whole new world out there now.

However, there are so many good PS1/PSP/PSV games for it that I don't think you could get bored with it for the next couple of years.  I guess to me is if I can generate $1/hour worth of entertainment from it when it is all said and done, I think it would be worth it.  So as long as I play my Vita for over 180 hours, it wasn't a waste of my money after all.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 02, 2013, 07:48:58 AM
If they announce nothing in the February Sony thing then you can start cremating this piggy (or, at the very least, hack the PSP side and play some emus - i was under impression this was some really hard tricky thing to do but it's easy. Why hallo thar, Revenge Of Shinobi...)




hey, I need the details on this.  What are the implications for someone who doesn't want their PSN account banned and would eventually like to get back to OFW?   I will gladly hack the thing for a minute to play BBS.
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 02, 2013, 08:26:05 AM
Now that custom firmware is available there are no longer any valid reasons to not buy a Vita.

Wait, what? Tell me more.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 02, 2013, 09:03:58 AM
I still have plenty of other games to play so I haven't looked into custom firmware myself, but someone posted this image on WYL (http://wastingyourlife.co/forums/gaming/what-are-yall-playing-ver-1-0-a-34-p55.html) yesterday. Birth by Sleep is one of the few popular PSP games that aren't available on PSN.

(http://i.imgur.com/NItIk.jpg)

Once I'm done with Uncharted: Golden Abyss and Virtue's Last Reward I might give it a try.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 02, 2013, 09:10:11 AM
Vita is the best handheld ever made tech wise, and prob will go down as the greatest handheld ever made since handhelds are dead.

If you like the games it has buy it and enjoy it, just dont expect too much from future support I think.

When I first played it I was like omg its so sexy omg.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 02, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
Now that custom firmware is available there are no longer any valid reasons to not buy a Vita.

Wait, what? Tell me more.



it's not actual Vita CFW.  it's PSP soft mod features running under the PSP emulator.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 02, 2013, 09:18:08 AM
I still have plenty of other games to play so I haven't looked into custom firmware myself, but someone posted this image on WYL (http://wastingyourlife.co/forums/gaming/what-are-yall-playing-ver-1-0-a-34-p55.html) yesterday. Birth by Sleep is one of the few popular PSP games that aren't available on PSN.

(http://i.imgur.com/NItIk.jpg)

Once I'm done with Uncharted: Golden Abyss and Virtue's Last Reward I might give it a try.

This is shocling news!! People are still posting things on WYL?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 02, 2013, 09:20:23 AM
Well, only occasionally. It's pretty quiet most days.

Even though it's only a soft mod, wouldn't the added horse powers make emulation of other systems easier? I'm still waiting for a near perfect SNES emulator on a handheld.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 02, 2013, 09:32:03 AM
I don't think so...I think it's limited to PSP specs somehow. 
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 02, 2013, 09:38:11 AM
Well, that sucks. I already have a PSP-3000 with CFW and the second analog stick isn't worth jumping through hoops for.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: bork on January 02, 2013, 10:06:38 AM
No point in bothering with the PSP emulation stuff if you still have a CFW PSP sitting around.

fistful, look at the Vita games that are out.  Does enough of the software interest you?  Get one if so. 
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 03, 2013, 04:28:44 PM
WHO'S GOT TWO THUMBS AND IS A DUMB MOTHERFUCKER??

THIS GUY!
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2013, 04:30:42 PM
I still have plenty of other games to play so I haven't looked into custom firmware myself, but someone posted this image on WYL (http://wastingyourlife.co/forums/gaming/what-are-yall-playing-ver-1-0-a-34-p55.html) yesterday. Birth by Sleep is one of the few popular PSP games that aren't available on PSN.

(http://i.imgur.com/NItIk.jpg)

Once I'm done with Uncharted: Golden Abyss and Virtue's Last Reward I might give it a try.

how is this possible
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2013, 04:30:53 PM
buy a vita, lost causes are beautiful

Just like me right Drinky sama. :uguu
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 03, 2013, 04:36:09 PM
Congratulations fistful!
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 03, 2013, 05:05:54 PM
I still have plenty of other games to play so I haven't looked into custom firmware myself, but someone posted this image on WYL (http://wastingyourlife.co/forums/gaming/what-are-yall-playing-ver-1-0-a-34-p55.html) yesterday. Birth by Sleep is one of the few popular PSP games that aren't available on PSN.

(http://i.imgur.com/NItIk.jpg)

Once I'm done with Uncharted: Golden Abyss and Virtue's Last Reward I might give it a try.

how is this possible


the new Uno exploit, allows PSP CFW features.  I was thinking about trying it, but I've got too much to risk on my psn account. 

i'll have to wait for BBS HD. 



WHO'S GOT TWO THUMBS AND IS A DUMB MOTHERFUCKER??

THIS GUY!


good deal.  what'd you buy with it?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 03, 2013, 06:33:54 PM
just persona 4
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2013, 06:36:08 PM
if you buy a vita i'll love you
if you don't buy a vita i'll hate you

:heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat

fistful wishes to give my love back

 :-*
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2013, 08:18:32 PM
just persona 4

Virtue's Last Reward is good if you don't already have it on 3DS.
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Huff on January 03, 2013, 08:21:42 PM
Joe how long did vlr take you to get the best ending?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 03, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
just persona 4

Virtue's Last Reward is good if you don't already have it on 3DS.

isnt that a sequel to 999?

also I dont own a 3ds
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: hampster on January 03, 2013, 10:12:37 PM
Don't buy a Vita if you aren't prepared to buy the 32gig card. Memory management is such a pain :yuck
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2013, 10:48:13 PM
Joe how long did vlr take you to get the best ending?

~30 hours
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 03, 2013, 11:31:55 PM
Joe how long did vlr take you to get the best ending?

~30 hours


whoa, that's a long ass game. 

i didn't like the "puzzle" in the demo, but i somehow ended up buying the game.  I am a sucker for that kind of story.  See also: Gantz.  but if it has a Gantz-like ending, i'll shit on my vita.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Well, the good news is the puzzle room in the demo was one of the worst ones.

Also I've never seen Gantz, but the end of VLR is pretty amazing, in an anime way.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 03, 2013, 11:40:37 PM
Well, the good news is the puzzle room in the demo was one of the worst ones.

Also I've never seen Gantz, but the end of VLR is pretty amazing, in an anime way.


Gantz has the same premise-- a bunch of people end up in a room mysteriously, don't know why, there's a mysterious person controlling it.  Except instead of puzzles, they have to kill shit before it kills them.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 04, 2013, 05:51:41 PM
go to start P4G says i need a memory card

wtf? this has no internal memory at all? WTF
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 04, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
I'VE SPENT SO MUCH MIGHT AS WELL GO ALL IN.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: cool breeze on January 04, 2013, 06:11:33 PM
there's a lot of headache dealing with memory cards.  like, if you have playstation plus, uncharted will take up most of 4 gig (smallest and cheapest card at $20).  and since it's proprietary, the cards are expensive ($100 for 32 gigs).  plus game saves are contained within the games, meaning if you delete the large uncharted file, you'll delete your saves as well.  so, if you have a PC or PS3, you'll need to be backing up you stuff and deal with memory management.  it's a whole lot of bullshit.

that's really the one sour point of the vita hardware.  though, if you have playstation plus, theoretically you can upload saves to the cloud and delete the data on the unit.  I haven't tried that myself.
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Huff on January 04, 2013, 06:17:58 PM
Cloud saves work perfectly. Allows me to get by with only a 16 gig. Only problem is download speeds, but as long as I plan ahead or delete games when I'm done, it hasn't been a big deal
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2013, 06:22:54 PM
Get a 32 GB card. #yolo
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 04, 2013, 06:23:11 PM
its almost as if they designed it to be shitty so PSN+ would be a pretty good idea.

i just bought an 8gig. will be here tomorrow. so is there anything i can do with this thing in the mean time?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
Web browse (maybe).
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 04, 2013, 06:24:55 PM
great
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 04, 2013, 06:28:18 PM
Hello

Posting from my Playstation Vita
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Huff on January 04, 2013, 06:28:37 PM
Some early games maybe not need a memory card. Maybe
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 04, 2013, 06:36:18 PM
dont help me none since i only own P4G


can I atleast do the AR card stuff?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: cool breeze on January 04, 2013, 06:38:17 PM
if you have a PS3, you can do remote play stuff.  off the top of my head:

new vita remote play: god of war hd collection, tokyo jungle, shadow of the colossus hd + ico HD
old psp remote play workable on vita:  ps1 games, bionic commando rearmed, lair
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 04, 2013, 07:19:44 PM
Now that custom firmware is available there are no longer any valid reasons to not buy a Vita.

WHAT

My boss Jake is selling his for $150, wondering if I should splurge
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: maxy on January 04, 2013, 07:28:26 PM
Just for PSP games
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 04, 2013, 07:32:58 PM
But all my PSP games are on Unbelievable Magic Disc :(
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 04, 2013, 07:42:54 PM
But all my PSP games are on Unbelievable Magic Disc :(


do what everyone else does--

(http://i.imgur.com/Xi5mj.jpg)


edit: oh wait, for vita, derp ignore
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 05, 2013, 02:29:59 AM
dont help me none since i only own P4G


can I atleast do the AR card stuff?
You can play the tutorial app called Welcome Park! There are a few free AR games available from the PSN store that are worth trying out for the novelty alone, but you'll grow tired of them almost immediately.

I managed to the same mistake when I bought my first PSP.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 05, 2013, 08:50:59 AM
I would need to get the vita for $200 and a 32gb for $50 to take the plunge. Maybe not even then.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 09:43:58 AM
we totally forgot to tell him about the memory card. 
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 05, 2013, 11:07:44 AM
we totally forgot to tell him about the memory card. 

That's because we wanted him to buy one. :shh
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 05, 2013, 11:15:50 AM
Unless you're going digital distribution only you'll manage with a 16 GB memory card.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 05, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
we totally forgot to tell him about the memory card. 

That's because we wanted him to buy one. :shh

We doubled Vita sales for the month :rock
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 05, 2013, 11:18:13 AM
Unless you're going digital distribution only you'll manage with a 16 GB memory card.

I have a 32GB iPhone and a 64GB iPad, I shouldn't have to dwell in the 16GB slums for a $250+ device.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 11:51:36 AM
we totally forgot to tell him about the memory card. 

That's because we wanted him to buy one. :shh

We doubled Vita sales for the month :rock



Mission Comprete  8)
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 05, 2013, 11:53:18 AM
I plan on doing PSN+ and I honestly won't use this thing that much so an 8gig card will suffice.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 05, 2013, 12:02:54 PM
Unless you're going digital distribution only you'll manage with a 16 GB memory card.

I have a 32GB iPhone and a 64GB iPad, I shouldn't have to dwell in the 16GB slums for a $250+ device.
How much did you pay for those?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 05, 2013, 12:33:43 PM
How much is a 32GB microsd card?

How likely are they to receive dev support 6 months from now?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 05, 2013, 12:56:51 PM
How much is a 32GB microsd card?

How likely are they to receive dev support 6 months from now?

I got it for $80 after shipping but looks like amazon.com has it for about $90 before shipping.  So assume $100 worst case.

Probably not much development support.  I guess a new Tales game is coming out for it and I imagine we'll probably get another couple of Falcom games, if you're into that kind of thing.  There's a Killzone coming out for it in the next few months but in spite of the double sticks, most FPS games on Vita have been shit.

Honestly I think the main reason to get a Vita is if you missed out on a lot of PS1/PSP games and you want to catch up.  For instance, I've been wanting to play Wild Arms XF and it is $10 on PSN.  I don't have much faith in the original Vita software library but you never know.  Depends on how stubborn Sony wants to be in keeping it going.

Edit: To be fair to the Vita, there's a lot of good original games out for it now.  The "Vita has no games" thing is a bunch of bullshit.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 02:00:35 PM
Unless you're going digital distribution only you'll manage with a 16 GB memory card.

I have a 32GB iPhone and a 64GB iPad, I shouldn't have to dwell in the 16GB slums for a $250+ device.
How much did you pay for those?


somewhere between $600-$800


for that price, I expect dual analog sticks and buttons on my device.  Why is apple so cheap that they can't just add that stuff?  :teehee
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 05, 2013, 02:11:09 PM
Exactly, and the difference in price between a 16 and a 32 GB iPhone 5 is $100. I understand if you don't think it's worth the money, but comparing it with Apple products is just silly.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 05, 2013, 02:13:06 PM
I hope Apple's next generation of stuff will have a 128 GB SKU.  My 64 GB 4S is filled up.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 02:14:41 PM
the phone bill is also $80 a month minimum, unless he's on a family plan or business plan. 

I know the world likes Apple now, but remember what people used to say when apple products were "hipster"-- that they aren't a good value.  They still aren't a good value.  Not saying i don't like them, my macbook has been great and i'll buy another and i'll get an iphone if it ever goes prepaid.   What you get for what you pay doesn't add up though...it's just that you can't get that kind of form factor and software and app support anywhere else.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 05, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
My point was not to compare the two devices, but to say that I am not someone who wants to risk running out of space. Therefore I will not settle for a low spec Vita. Since Sony doesn't want me to use the 32GB MicroSD card I already have, I am stuck paying $350 for something that is near worthless.

I sell my old iPhones and iPads for nearly as much as I pay for them, there is no risk of them going belly up or being unsellable down the line.

For the record I don't think Apple should be selling 16GB anything anymore, either. But the point was not to make a direct comparison.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 05, 2013, 03:47:42 PM
I just picked up my first smartphone, a 16 GB iPhone 4, for less than half of what I paid for my Vita. What do you use all that space for? I figured iOS games would be tiny.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
I am stuck paying $350 for something that is near worthless.


It depends on what you get out of it.  definitely hasn't been worthless to me.  I'm not sure what the point of mentioning the idevices was for then....they have a tiny amount of space to me and do they have a port for flash memory now or something, cause you mentioned the micro SD card too.

I have about 40 games on my vita and still a couple gigs to spare.   I could buy a $500 dollar ipad and be in the same "what do i even do with this" situation as you with the vita, so I'm not sure where we're going with this...point taken about the resale value though.

they're both fairly overpriced devices using bullshit proprietary memory with subjective usefulness...except one company can afford to have a device like that on the market and the other really, really shouldn't :lol   

I guess one good thing about Vita memory is that the card size can always increase and prices can drop, go on sale, bought with store credit, etc.  Though I'm not sure what incentive they have to drop prices...it's not like pro-duo that was used in a wide variety of devices.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 05, 2013, 07:22:10 PM
paid extra to get my damn memory card today and havent received a goddamned thing yet. so basically if it doesnt come today i'll have this thing for 3 days and will have absolutely nothing to do with it.

fucking ups.
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Huff on January 05, 2013, 07:38:05 PM
I'm constantly running into spacing problems on my 16 gig 4. Won't make that mistake again when I upgrade to the 5d or 6 or w/e
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 05, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
I am stuck paying $350 for something that is near worthless.


It depends on what you get out of it.  definitely hasn't been worthless to me.  I'm not sure what the point of mentioning the idevices was for then....they have a tiny amount of space to me and do they have a port for flash memory now or something, cause you mentioned the micro SD card too.

I have about 40 games on my vita and still a couple gigs to spare.   I could buy a $500 dollar ipad and be in the same "what do i even do with this" situation as you with the vita, so I'm not sure where we're going with this...point taken about the resale value though.

they're both fairly overpriced devices using bullshit proprietary memory with subjective usefulness...except one company can afford to have a device like that on the market and the other really, really shouldn't :lol   

I guess one good thing about Vita memory is that the card size can always increase and prices can drop, go on sale, bought with store credit, etc.  Though I'm not sure what incentive they have to drop prices...it's not like pro-duo that was used in a wide variety of devices.

Statement: Vita costs $350 with 32GB card. Device is not worth it to me at this price
Response: You only need a 16GB card.
Statement: I do not like memory management so I would not settle for 16GB, it's 32GB or nothing. For example, I have these other two devices that I do not memory manage, that are not being introduced for the purpose of direct comparison.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 08:04:49 PM
 :fbm 
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 05, 2013, 08:06:48 PM
great. not getting my fucking card until monday. this'll continue to be a paperweight until then.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 05, 2013, 08:07:32 PM
great. not getting my fucking card until monday. this'll continue to be a paperweight until then.


Time to get some trophies in Welcome Park  :teehee
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 05, 2013, 08:22:13 PM
 :maf

i want to play P4G goddammit.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 05, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
I can't even use the camera app.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2013, 10:05:14 PM
Nice thing about Japan is that the latest iPhone model is usually free with contract.  So I finally paid an appropriate price for an Apple product.

As for the size of iOS games, some install at nearly 2 GB.  Can't imagine getting by with a 16 GB unit.  I feel tight enough with 32 GB.  Few of those large games support cloud saving, too, so if you delete the game for space, bye bye saved game.

I totally :derp ed, was gonna ask why you couldn't just go into the file system and back it up.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Like you can on Android.
[close]
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 05, 2013, 11:42:31 PM
:maf

i want to play P4G goddammit.

:bow I beat P4G tonight. GOTY :bow2
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 06, 2013, 10:47:27 AM
i wish you could romance mr. morooka
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 06, 2013, 11:02:23 AM
I got the the 3G model and a 32GB card at launch for $325 from a Lockerzzz deal ($250 system + $75 card). I am flabbergasted by the unavailability of cheaper deals for this bomb today.
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 06, 2013, 11:05:38 AM
Speaking of H4G, I've been avoiding it all this time because people have insisted to experience 3 first, since going back to the less developed mechanics of 3 would be unwise. How true is that?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 06, 2013, 11:14:11 AM
I got the the 3G model and a 32GB card at launch for $325 from a Lockerzzz deal ($250 system + $75 card). I am flabbergasted by the unavailability of cheaper deals for this bomb today.

I can only guess that's a combination of the exchange rate and Sony already giving up on the console. How many sales would really be gained from anything short of a huge price cut? $50 here or there will probably have little impact but cost Sony enough to dissuade them.

They should keep the price the same but sell a microSD->Vitacard adapter.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: DCharlieJP on January 06, 2013, 11:44:09 AM
Lol I wonder how many conversations with 3rd parties the last year started with "well, sure, you can have early ps4 dev kits but (unzipping sound, vita appears from pants) you are going to have to do a little something for me..."

Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 06, 2013, 12:31:04 PM
No wonder 3rd parties' reaction to the PS4's have been lukewarm, they were put off by the diseased Vita.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: maxy on January 06, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
Lol I wonder how many conversations with 3rd parties the last year started with "well, sure, you can have early ps4 dev kits but (unzipping sound, vita appears from pants) you are going to have to do a little something for me..."

Sure :-*...can you pick up that pen on the floor first?...:ninja... :hump
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Purple Filth on January 06, 2013, 01:53:36 PM
great. not getting my fucking card until monday. this'll continue to be a paperweight until then.


Time to get some trophies in Welcome Park  :teehee

i still haven't touch this yet  :lol
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 06, 2013, 02:26:47 PM
Speaking of H4G, I've been avoiding it all this time because people have insisted to experience 3 first, since going back to the less developed mechanics of 3 would be unwise. How true is that?


not very true.  P4 does do everything P3 does better, but it doesn't make P3 look like a dinosaur or anything.   
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 06, 2013, 02:38:53 PM
So would it be safe o play 4 then go back to 3 whenever I get PS3 back? I'd like to maximize my enjoyment.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 06, 2013, 02:41:49 PM
So would it be safe o play 4 then go back to 3 whenever I get PS3 back? I'd like to maximize my enjoyment.

ah, P3:Fes?  that changes things a bit...I'm not sure if that has the fast travel menus for town.  but P3P does.  Personally, i'd have to have that in there cause the run speed is a bit slow.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 06, 2013, 02:42:23 PM
In Persona 3 you don't have direct control of the other party members. Going back to that might be frustrating. When are you getting back your PS3?

Edit: P3:Fes is the same as the original game (+ one bonus game). You don't use menus to navigate through the game. That's one of the reasons it's the better experience.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 06, 2013, 02:43:45 PM
i think they put direct command in FES though.  if they didn't, that would suck.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 06, 2013, 02:46:52 PM
Nope, you don't have direct control but some people claim the AI is improved to avoid stupid decisions. It honestly didn't bother me at all when I played it. In fact, I thought it gave my companions more personality.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: demi on January 06, 2013, 02:49:59 PM
In fact, I thought it gave my companions more personality.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Writing this one down.

P3P is superior version. Deal with it.
Title: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 06, 2013, 02:50:01 PM
I should point out that I own both FES digitally and P3P on the Vita.

P3P is superior version. Deal with it.

Noice.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 06, 2013, 02:52:57 PM
Don't trust demi! P3P is only preferable if you want to play as a girl.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 06, 2013, 02:55:35 PM
i'm on team demi for this one
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 06, 2013, 02:56:17 PM
Boo!
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 06, 2013, 02:57:31 PM
SO DANCE-ANCE-ANCE WHILE I PUT YOU IN A TRANCE

SHAKE YA BOOTY

90S HIP HOP TROPE THAT JUST GOT TO JAPAN!
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: thisismyusername on January 06, 2013, 03:03:29 PM
I should point out that I own both FES digitally and P3P on the Vita.

P3P is superior version. Deal with it.

Noice.

Go with P3P if you really have no other way to play it, it's decent but the lack of some things is noticable if you've played FES.

But really, FES is the superior version. I don't really have a problem with AI teammates since I'm not a moron and know how to set them to "knock-down/wait->all-out attack"
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: demi on January 06, 2013, 03:06:30 PM
The Answer is all-around useless to the canon. Just read it on wiki. P3P cuts the fluff of the crappy Dating Sim and gets more to the point of grindan, fusan, persona-n
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 07, 2013, 03:52:13 AM
SO DANCE-ANCE-ANCE WHILE I PUT YOU IN A TRANCE

SHAKE YA BOOTY

90S HIP HOP TROPE THAT JUST GOT TO JAPAN!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGJ2lzhypf0

Every time I see the girl start dancing at the :20 mark I just die
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 07, 2013, 02:34:17 PM
so apparently my vita memory card got "lost in transit" so they ordered a replacement. will be here tomorrow.

 :maf
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 07, 2013, 02:35:39 PM
Have you beaten Welcome Park yet? The large sliding block puzzle is pretty hardcore!
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 07, 2013, 02:58:08 PM
SO DANCE-ANCE-ANCE WHILE I PUT YOU IN A TRANCE

SHAKE YA BOOTY

90S HIP HOP TROPE THAT JUST GOT TO JAPAN!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGJ2lzhypf0

Every time I see the girl start dancing at the :20 mark I just die



:lol 

i wonder what the crowd was like at that


so apparently my vita memory card got "lost in transit" so they ordered a replacement. will be here tomorrow.

 :maf


Probably a Nintendo fanboy hit squad intercepting the shipment, happens all the time. 
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: hampster on January 07, 2013, 03:27:37 PM
Can you pick skills when fusing Personas in P3P? Or is that a P4G thing only

I still need to try one of the persona games
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: archnemesis on January 07, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
Nope, you can't select which skills you want when you fuse personas in P3P. If you're only going to play one of them, go with Persona 4.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 07, 2013, 03:48:55 PM
i wonder what the crowd was like at that

Something tells me that Japanese Persona fans aren't exactly the types who go out of their way to build up their Social Links, if you know what I mean
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 07, 2013, 04:59:11 PM
P3P has a cool new battle theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IyaSb8uVis

Other then that it sucks. I like to walk around the areas.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: bork on January 08, 2013, 04:41:03 PM
so apparently my vita memory card got "lost in transit" so they ordered a replacement. will be here tomorrow.

 :maf

Was this an Amazon order, shipped via UPS?  Same shit happened to me last week.  My package got to the local depot and has said "out for delivery" for like a week.   :lol
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: demi on January 08, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
Can you pick skills when fusing Personas in P3P? Or is that a P4G thing only

I still need to try one of the persona games

Play the superior Persona 2, then
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 08, 2013, 05:55:06 PM
WHO IS 'UNFRIENDLY-LOOKING GIRL"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 08, 2013, 05:55:33 PM
it begins.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 08, 2013, 06:14:36 PM
you're not chie  :'(
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 08, 2013, 06:20:35 PM
welcome to crackhead chie who forced me to turn voices off
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
WHO IS 'UNFRIENDLY-LOOKING GIRL"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bonus waifu~!
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 08, 2013, 08:35:45 PM
I got PS Plus because I like getting actual content in exchange for yearly subscription fees (COUGH COUGH HELLO XBOX LIVE) and am currently mooching all dat Vita swag :bow

Is there any one centralized location where I can actually get a list of all the currently free content on PSPlus?
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 08, 2013, 08:46:12 PM
I got PS Plus because I like getting actual content in exchange for yearly subscription fees (COUGH COUGH HELLO XBOX LIVE) and am currently mooching all dat Vita swag :bow

Is there any one centralized location where I can actually get a list of all the currently free content on PSPlus?


Besides PSN, I check the PS+ thread on gaf: 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404938

but you still have to sift for the lists.  I think they announce new stuff on Mondays
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 08, 2013, 08:51:33 PM
got PSN+ as well

played a bit of Retro City Rampage. seems cool

so is there a way to have games automatically save to the cloud or do I have to manually back it up? i assume not.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2013, 09:41:08 PM
On the PS3 store, there's a PS+ section with all the free stuff including all the Vita games.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 08, 2013, 10:47:39 PM
SUPER STARDUST DELTA :bow2

Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 08, 2013, 10:50:06 PM
also, Gravity Rush is charming.
Title: Re: a thread for people to convince me to not buy a vita
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 13, 2013, 09:26:16 AM
got PSN+ as well

played a bit of Retro City Rampage. seems cool

so is there a way to have games automatically save to the cloud or do I have to manually back it up? i assume not.


go to content manager - PS Vita to PS+ Cloud transfer - click the "i" next to the save file, check the "upload automatically" box. 

super stupid way of doing it...I thought my auto-upload was broken for a while until I realized I had to go through all those steps.  It should be like the PS3 where they ask you on boot if you'd like to auto-up.