THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2013, 01:37:25 AM
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Somewhere Rick Reilly is softly crying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EZobdiJ4M
Lance Armstrong will admit to doping during his famed cycling career in an upcoming interview with Oprah Winfrey, according to USA Today Sports.
The newspaper cites a source who says that while Armstrong will confess, it is unlikely he will go into specific details about his doping.
The interview will tape Monday, but won't air until Thursday.
According to Winfrey's website on Tuesday, this will be a "no-holds-barred interview" with Armstrong, who was stripped of seven Tour de France titles in October.
It will be the first interview with Armstrong since his cycling career crumbled under the weight of a massive report by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. The report detailed accusations of drug use by Armstrong and teammates on his U.S. Postal Service teams. It caused him to lose most of his personal corporate sponsors, and he recently stepped down from the board of Livestrong, the cancer-fighting charity he founded in 1997.
The New York Times, citing anonymous sources, reported last week that Armstrong was considering a confession to help restore his athletic career in triathlons and running events at age 41. Armstrong has been banned for life from competing in sporting events governed by the World Anti-Doping Agency code.
David Howman, director general of WADA, said earlier this month that USADA, not WADA, would have the authority to decide whether to reopen Armstrong's case if Armstrong were to present new information.
"It's (USADA's) issue, although they could come to us to ask for guidance or advice," he said.
Speaking in general terms and not specifically about the Armstrong case, Howman said new information that might merit revisiting a case could pertain to the individual defendant or shed light on others involved in doping offenses. He said there is precedent for cases to be reopened and it would be "nonsensical" to close off that possibility.
The WADA code provides for reduced penalties in instances in which athletes provide "substantial assistance" in resolving other doping cases.
Howman did not want to speculate on the effect of a potential Armstrong confession.
"This is such a significant case with so many issues, and it has had a considerable effect not only on the sport of cycling but the world sports scene itself," Howman said.
Armstrong is facing other legal hurdles.
The U.S. Department of Justice is considering whether to join a federal whistle-blower lawsuit filed by former Armstrong teammate Floyd Landis. A Dallas-based promotions company also has said it wants to recover several million dollars paid to Armstrong in bonuses for winning the Tour de France. The British newspaper, The Sunday Times, has sued Armstrong to recover $500,000 paid to him to settle a libel lawsuit.
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:usacry
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I can't believe someone who landed on the moon would ever take drugs.
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Who gets those tour wins then? Given everyone was juicing to fuck it probably goes to the 37th placed dude- but in the last discussion on that the response seemed to be it would devalue the placing ... So rather than it goes to the best cleanest rider it would go to the least druggy top 10 rider ... Or something ?
Anyone know what current thinking is?
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I think the titles won't be reawarded to somebody else, they are just void.
Also lol at Armstrong now confessing so he can compete in triathlons now that he is already convicted.
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I think the titles won't be reawarded to somebody else, they are just void.
Also lol at Armstrong now confessing so he can compete in triathlons now that he is already convicted.
The article seems to indicate that he can't just confess, he has to sell out other people too
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probably just gonna admit that he was living strong
I can't believe someone who landed on the moon would ever take drugs.
:lol
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is he gonna bring all the money he stole and give it back?
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Yep, and he's gonna use it to buy everyone on the show a new car!
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I'd love to have a Livestrong bag of "supplements"
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To be honest, the really sad part is that he's made a huge impact on the medical community through the "Livestrong" campaign, and now that is tainted as well.
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sorry i got caught
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sorry i got caught
Maybe not such a bad idea if he just says that
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/01/who-cares-if-lance-armstrong-confesses/267102/
You know what I'd like to hear from Armstrong? Honesty. I'd like to hear him say that he isn't truly sorry—that he's only truly sorry he got caught—because no one who truly regretted everything contained in USADA's voluminous report (and everything else that didn't make it) would have done all those things for so long in such a systemic, calculating, ruthless fashion. Nor would they have tweeted this. I'd like to hear him lambaste society's irrational, hypocritical, unhelpful moral panic regarding performance-enhancing drugs in sports compared to performance-enhancing drugs in every other walk of life. I'd like to hear him puncture the myth that great performers are—by the very dint of their hard-charging competitive success—great guys, heroes even, and that if it took a man winning bicycle races to galvanize us about cancer, then maybe smuggled bags of EPO aren't society's biggest problem.
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If he's doing Oprah, then you know it's gonna be a mea culpa. That would be funny though if he came on there and just went nuts and started blasting society.
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Well THANK GOD he apologized, otherwise I'd be pretty upset!
Really, though, it would be so great if he just came out and said "You know who says doping is bad? LOSERS. I'm not a loser, I'm a winner. I beat cancer and I won the Tour-de-France 7 times in a row. I doped because I care about just one thing: winning."
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Even if he apologizes, he won't truly be sorry he did it, nor do I think he should. If it's the standard in the sport, why not do what you need to to even the playing field?
Do I think he should be boastful about it though? No. Because he is still a rolemodel for many younger athletes and it would be terrible if he sent the wrong message to them.
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Lance Armstrong to admit cycling is boring?
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I hope he is convicted and will have to repay all the money he stole till hia dying days.
Hypocrite fraudster.
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money he stole?
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Sponsorships, deals, everything he made is based on lies.
Time to pay back. Maybe some prison time.
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Lies? Did he get sponsorships for saying "I don't do drugs" or was he getting sponsors because goddamit, nicca can ride a bike?
The entire cycling sport had been uncovered as a doping circuit. I don't see why Lance should serve jail time when all of his peers did the same thing.
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http://www.hark.com/clips/kvbxkrygfh-dodgeball
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http://www.hark.com/clips/kvbxkrygfh-dodgeball
So because the man did drugs that all of his peers did, that takes away from his accomplishments. Okay!
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We ever figure out why Lager's on the warpath about this? I looked it up and couldn't find any Polish runners up for the Tour de France.
???
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I dont know why people still defend this piece of shit.
Doesnt matter who else does it, lances whole image was based on him being a miracle boy.
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Does Kos have a Baseball Hall of Fame ballot?
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(http://tonykriz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/A46nIWGCIAAcekB.jpg)
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I hate all cycling dopers ruining such a great sport.
Smug fucker armstrong is just the worst one.
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I dont know why people still defend this piece of shit.
Doesnt matter who else does it, lances whole image was based on him being a miracle boy.
I dunno. Coming out of brain, lung, and testicular cancer is kind of a miracle. At least around these parts.
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Well, like Barry Bonds and Ben Johnson, he was the best at his chosen sport, and took drugs to do better at a time when many or most of the people he beat were doing the same thing.
It's the prerogative of people running a competition to say what training methods and substances are kosher and if someone breaks those rules they run the risk of getting caught, punished, and banned. But moral outrage? Eh, I've only got so much and this seems like a lame way to spend it.
"But people looked up to him and he's a fraud!" Yeah, people thought he was a hero because he was really good at riding a bicycle. Only it turned out he was a guy who was really good at riding a bicycle who also used banned substances to make him better at riding a bicycle! I'm sure Nike feels very cheated after all the merchandise they were able to move based on the only marketable American cyclist since Breaking Away.
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I dont know why people still defend this piece of shit.
Doesnt matter who else does it, lances whole image was based on him being a miracle boy.
I dunno. Coming out of brain, lung, and testicular cancer is kind of a miracle. At least around these parts.
Pfft, he probably used drugs to help him do that too.
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I dont know why people still defend this piece of shit.
Doesnt matter who else does it, lances whole image was based on him being a miracle boy.
I dunno. Coming out of brain, lung, and testicular cancer is kind of a miracle. At least around these parts.
Pfft, he probably used drugs to help him do that too.
I bet he did chemotherapy. Phht, loser. I kill cancer cold turkey.
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So just because he beat cancer he cannot be a dickhead cheater?
Great logic guys.
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It's not cheating if every guy he's racing is doping too.
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But they dont all use doping. See all those fuckers that fall of in the mountain stages.
Then again did anyone of you watch cycling before lance was big in the us? Rhetorical question.
:piss people that ruin cycling :piss2
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I hate all cycling dopers ruining such a great sport.
In the journalist Albert Londres followed the Tour de France for the French newspaper, Le Petit Parisien. At Coutances he heard that the previous year's winner, Henri Pélissier, his brother Francis and a third rider, Maurice Ville, had resigned from the competition after an argument with the organiser, Henri Desgrange. Henri explained the problem—whether or not he had the right to take off a jersey—and went on to talk of drugs, reported in Londres' race diary, in which he invented the phrase Les Forçats de la Route (The Convicts of the Road):
"You have no idea what the Tour de France is," Henri said. "It's a Calvary. Worse than that, because the road to the Cross has only 14 stations and ours has 15. We suffer from the start to the end. You want to know how we keep going? Here..." He pulled a phial from his bag. "That's cocaine, for our eyes. This is chloroform, for our gums."
"This," Ville said, emptying his shoulder bag "is liniment to put warmth back into our knees."
"And pills. Do you want to see pills? Have a look, here are the pills." Each pulled out three boxes.
"The truth is," Francis said, "that we keep going on dynamite."
-1924
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well we found the person who cares about cycling guys, we can tell Lance to call off the show now
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But they dont all use doping. See all those fuckers that fall of in the mountain stages.
Then again did anyone of you watch cycling before lance was big in the us? Rhetorical question.
:piss people that ruin cycling :piss2
I have never watched cycling.
I think...I think...I think I watched it ONCE...on the Olympics. Wait, wait, wait. It's coming.
No, I didn't.
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But they dont all use doping. See all those fuckers that fall of in the mountain stages.
Then again did anyone of you watch cycling before lance was big in the us? Rhetorical question.
:piss people that ruin cycling :piss2
So you hate all cyclists since...forever?
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Himu the climb to Mont Ventoux is something anyone who is remotely interested in sports should see.
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So just because he beat cancer he cannot be a dickhead cheater?
Great logic guys.
No, we're saying he can be a cheater and still not history's greatest monster. Perspective, honkey.
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Yeah, he's no Jimmy Carter.
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The flipside to the irrational Armstrong hate is the folks who for years derided the allegations as witch hunting. In the early-mid 00's in the US most people who were aware of it at all treated it as a case of the French being jealous of an American champion (this was roughly around the Freedom Fries era), to the point where Leno could make jokes to that effect and expect everyone to be in on it.
Well, whoopsie.
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Plus he's cheating against cheters, and going along with a fine tradition of cheating. Hell, professional cycling without doping is a historical aberration.
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The flipside to the irrational Armstrong hate is the folks who for years derided the allegations as witch hunting. In the early-mid 00's in the US most people who were aware of it at all treated it as a case of the French being jealous of an American champion (this was roughly around the Freedom Fries era), to the point where Leno could make jokes to that effect and expect everyone to be in on it.
Well, whoopsie.
Well, it still kinda was a witch hunt, it just turned out that he actually was a witch in the end. You know them dirty Frenchers were all praying to their French gods for him to be juicing, whether there was any proof or not.
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Lager would be happier if Armstrong had fucked a 13 year old in her ass
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Lager would be happier if Armstrong had fucked a 13 year old in her ass
(http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/whoo.png)
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Lager would be happier if Armstrong had fucked a 13 year old in her ass
(http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/whoo.png)
:lol :lol :lol
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Yeah, he's no Jimmy Carter.
:lol
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Well I think Armstrong is a piece of shit for destroying people who told the truth about him. At least shit like that never happened with Bonds, Clemens, et al. Other than that, whatever.
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What if Armstrong had no choice but to juice, like having his bike sucked into a vortex if he didn't take some PEDs?
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Well I think Armstrong is a piece of shit for destroying people who told the truth about him. At least shit like that never happened with Bonds, Clemens, et al. Other than that, whatever.
Thats one of the reasons why I think he is the worst offender.
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Lager would be happier if Armstrong had fucked a 13 year old in her ass
Your joke is as relevant as you as a poster.
2 3 4 years past the best by date.
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Well I think Armstrong is a piece of shit for destroying people who told the truth about him. At least shit like that never happened with Bonds, Clemens, et al. Other than that, whatever.
Thats one of the reasons why I think he is the worst offender.
Legit reason. Dude is a sociopath.
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I dont know why people still defend this piece of shit.
Doesnt matter who else does it, lances whole image was based on him being a miracle boy.
I dunno. Coming out of brain, lung, and testicular cancer is kind of a miracle. At least around these parts.
Pfft, he probably used drugs to help him do
that too.
:bow
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sorry i got caught
Maybe not such a bad idea if he just says that
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/01/who-cares-if-lance-armstrong-confesses/267102/
You know what I'd like to hear from Armstrong? Honesty. I'd like to hear him say that he isn't truly sorry—that he's only truly sorry he got caught—because no one who truly regretted everything contained in USADA's voluminous report (and everything else that didn't make it) would have done all those things for so long in such a systemic, calculating, ruthless fashion. Nor would they have tweeted this. I'd like to hear him lambaste society's irrational, hypocritical, unhelpful moral panic regarding performance-enhancing drugs in sports compared to performance-enhancing drugs in every other walk of life. I'd like to hear him puncture the myth that great performers are—by the very dint of their hard-charging competitive success—great guys, heroes even, and that if it took a man winning bicycle races to galvanize us about cancer, then maybe smuggled bags of EPO aren't society's biggest problem.
put that way, I'd love that instead of the usual "I take all the blame and truly regret it and blah blah blah." He doesn't have a lot to lose, go for the gold....
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"And if I might point out, ladies and gentlemen, one of our country's greatest heroes also used drugs to enhance his performance against the axis forces of evil during WWII."
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Captainamerica1.jpg)
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tried to watch tour de france once. hella boring, most of the time the commentators were talking about local history of where ever the fuck they were bicycling through at the time.
though I suppose that's something bicycling has over cross-country skiing which I'm forced to endure every god damned winter for the sake of having something resembling a social life.
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europeans like the dumbest fucking "sports", I swear
:thumbsup
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"And if I might point out, ladies and gentlemen, one of our country's greatest heroes also used drugs to enhance his performance against the axis forces of evil during WWII."
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Captainamerica1.jpg)
Yeah but he never lied about it.
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I think the most interesting thing about this is how it was painted that the French were out to get him (which they were), but the biggest witch hunt for him was actually coming from Americans
europeans like the dumbest fucking "sports", I swear
Don't you dare say a word against cricket
tried to watch tour de france once. hella boring, most of the time the commentators were talking about local history of where ever the fuck they were bicycling through at the time.
Thats part of the charm of the tour though, since they don't always go through the same area you get to see a bunch of places in France you'd never go to yourself.
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France is $50~ away from me, but even on the off chance that I wanted someone to read me a tourist guide while showing poorly framed scenic views I'd watch the travel channel.
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Lager would be happier if Armstrong had fucked a 13 year old in her ass
Your joke is as relevant as you as a poster.
2 3 4 years past the best by date.
It's actually a fair criticism of your reaction here
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France is $50~ away from me, but even on the off chance that I wanted someone to read me a tourist guide while showing poorly framed scenic views I'd watch the travel channel.
Wait, are you Belgium?
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Norway. plane tickets R cheap!
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I mean, it seriously says something when the fans of certain sports defend them with "well yeah it's boring, but it's *supposed* to be"
Hockey?
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Norway. plane tickets R cheap!
Oh, ok. I was going to make fun of you if you were.
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It costs me minimum AUS$1000 to get anywhere interesting in flights alone (sorry NZ), Europe is AUS$2000 minimum. So there's some interest in me seeing where they cycle through.
I mean, it seriously says something when the fans of certain sports defend them with "well yeah it's boring, but it's *supposed* to be"
There's nothing boring about strategising to win a match that lasts five days. Or 21 days if you're talking about cycling.
Pilon, I would never speak ill of crickets, they are a vital part of the ecosystem
:maf
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europeans like the dumbest fucking "sports", I swear
*Boogie likes this*
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I mean, it seriously says something when the fans of certain sports defend them with "well yeah it's boring, but it's *supposed* to be"
Hockey?
You shut your filthy whore mouth. :maf
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Sunday Times - An Open Letter to Oprah Winfrey (In today's Chicago Tribune)
(http://i.imgur.com/a3gji.jpg?1)
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Lager would be happier if Armstrong had fucked a 13 year old in her ass
Your joke is as relevant as you as a poster.
2 3 4 years past the best by date.
Oh, so 9 years old, then?
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Oh man he's getting sued by so many people, delish.
Pay back that 7.5 million he won, pay back the Sunday Times.
:lol
Now going on Oprah for some more attention whoring, maybe squeeze out some fake tears.
What a horrible man, to have lied to so many poor people that looked up to him.
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(http://hackcartoonsdiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Cartoon_Lance_Armstrong_Cheat.jpg)
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tried to watch tour de france once. hella boring, most of the time the commentators were talking about local history of where ever the fuck they were bicycling through at the time.
though I suppose that's something bicycling has over cross-country skiing which I'm forced to endure every god damned winter for the sake of having something resembling a social life.
:bow biathlon :bow2
Next to ski jumping my fav winter sport.
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Imagine the steroid shot in that comic is a giant penis and that the steroid liquid.is just veiny goodness. :drool
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dickstrong :drool
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The fascinating thing about the Tour De France is how a race that lasts for 30 days and where the field is together for about 95% of the time ultimately gets decided on two or three key scenes. The tough mountain stages separate the top drivers and the normal field hard. All those guys that won the previous stages in the sprint finals? They struggle now to even make the time limit. And in front it's a game of cat and mouse that can go on for hours between the top man and their adjutants and one acceleration can win the whole tour. Basically, there is an extreme rise in tension and than catching that moment how the best separates himself alone from all the other guys is exciting to watch. Absolutly no need to watch all the flat episodes, you can just watch the sprint finale there. But something like alpe d'huez is great from start to finish.
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The fascinating thing about the Tour De France is how a race that lasts for 30 days and where the field is together for about 95% of the time ultimately gets decided on two or three key scenes. The tough mountain stages separate the top drivers and the normal field hard. All those guys that won the previous stages in the sprint finals? They struggle now to even make the time limit. And in front it's a game of cat and mouse that can go on for hours between the top man and their adjutants and one acceleration can win the whole tour. Basically, there is an extreme rise in tension and than catching that moment how the best separates himself alone from all the other guys is exciting to watch. Absolutly no need to watch all the flat episodes, you can just watch the sprint finale there. But something like alpe d'huez is great from start to finish.
:bow my man :bow2
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The fascinating thing about the Tour De France is how a race that lasts for 30 days and where the field is together for about 95% of the time ultimately gets decided on two or three key scenes. The tough mountain stages separate the top drivers and the normal field hard. All those guys that won the previous stages in the sprint finals? They struggle now to even make the time limit. And in front it's a game of cat and mouse that can go on for hours between the top man and their adjutants and one acceleration can win the whole tour. Basically, there is an extreme rise in tension and than catching that moment how the best separates himself alone from all the other guys is exciting to watch. Absolutly no need to watch all the flat episodes, you can just watch the sprint finale there. But something like alpe d'huez is great from start to finish.
:bow my man :bow2
:heart you guys :heart
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Also just having the Tour on in the background is soothing when there is a boring stage. Nice images, sound of the chopper and the commentators yapping about history and stuff.
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Also just having the Tour on in the background is soothing when there is a boring stage. Nice images, sound of the chopper and the commentators yapping about history and stuff.
Do you get the english commentators? Paul Sherwin is great.
Tends to be on here from 10pm-2am, perfect to put on when I go to sleep.
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Depends where I stream it from. Where is this guy on?
I love it with dutch commentary too.
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Armstrong is a shiny example of American Exceptionalism. Lie and cheat your way to fame and fortune. When you are eventually found out to be a fraud, who cares? You are still wealthy and don't have to spend any time in jail.
#YOLO
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The #YOLO made that :lol
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To be honest I guess I don't follow cycling enough to care in regards to that sport. I'm more familiar with the baseball guys of course where I think its a slightly different situation since I feel baseball itself was complicit in that stuff.
That being said, Armstrong does seem like a dick based on how aggressively he seemed to defend himself. The cancer shit is meaningless to me. It's nice that he did it but the only reason he had such a platform to do anything was because he had it himself and he had the platform to advocate for it because of his cycling stuff. That doesn't strike me as especially noble.
I honestly don't really understand why he is coming out. If it was me and I had lied all this time I would just shut up about the whole thing and just leave it. But that's me I guess.
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To be honest I guess I don't follow cycling enough to care in regards to that sport. I'm more familiar with the baseball guys of course where I think its a slightly different situation since I feel baseball itself was complicit in that stuff.
If you want to read a good piece on the baseball situation and the HoF and Bonds: http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/1/10/3857198/barry-bonds-mlb-hall-of-fame-voting-steroids
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Yeah the problem in baseball has more do with it being a hypocrisy issue since baseball kinda wanted to pretend nothing was going on.
On a personal level I don't really care what these guys put in their bodies in relation to sports performance. But I think a sport should be consistent with what it says publicly and how it conducts its business. It's unfair to the guys who aren't "cheating" to compete with guys who are.
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Oh Rick Reilly :lol
Instead of maybe pointing that mirror inward and asking why you allowed yourself to be duped like an idiot, it's all "HE LIED TO ME. :bawl"
Among my emails Wednesday morning, out of the blue, was one from Lance Armstrong.
Riles, I'm sorry.
All I can say for now but also the most heartfelt thing too. Two very important words.
L
And my first thought was ... "Two words? That's it?"
Two words? For 14 years of defending a man? And in the end, being made to look like a chump? Wrote it, said it, tweeted it: "He's clean." Put it in columns, said it on radio, said it on TV. Staked my reputation on it.
But here's the thing. When he says he's sorry now, how do we know he's not still lying? How do we know it's not just another great performance by the all-time leader in them?
And I guess I should let it go, but I keep thinking how hard he used me. Made me look like a sap. Made me carry his dirty water and I didn't even know it.
I guess I should forgive him. I guess I should give him credit for putting himself through worldwide shame. I guess I should thank him for finally admitting his whole magnificent castle was built on sand and syringes and suckers like me. But I'm not quite ready. Give me 14 years, maybe.
You're sorry, Lance? No, I'm the one who's sorry.
It's like a kid finding out there is no Santa.
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Oh Rick Reilly :lol
Instead of maybe pointing that mirror inward and asking why you allowed yourself to be duped like an idiot, it's all "HE LIED TO ME. :bawl"
Among my emails Wednesday morning, out of the blue, was one from Lance Armstrong.
Riles, I'm sorry.
All I can say for now but also the most heartfelt thing too. Two very important words.
L
And my first thought was ... "Two words? That's it?"
Two words? For 14 years of defending a man? And in the end, being made to look like a chump? Wrote it, said it, tweeted it: "He's clean." Put it in columns, said it on radio, said it on TV. Staked my reputation on it.
But here's the thing. When he says he's sorry now, how do we know he's not still lying? How do we know it's not just another great performance by the all-time leader in them?
And I guess I should let it go, but I keep thinking how hard he used me. Made me look like a sap. Made me carry his dirty water and I didn't even know it.
I guess I should forgive him. I guess I should give him credit for putting himself through worldwide shame. I guess I should thank him for finally admitting his whole magnificent castle was built on sand and syringes and suckers like me. But I'm not quite ready. Give me 14 years, maybe.
You're sorry, Lance? No, I'm the one who's sorry.
It's like a kid finding out there is no Santa.
This is what happens when you start to idolize people and elevate them above the average folk. In some way, maybe tomorrow and maybe ten years down the road, you're going to realize that they're flawed and not nearly the sparkling paragons of decency and honesty that you thought they were. I realized that lesson when I was still a teenager, some people take a bit longer, I guess.
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This is what happens when you start to idolize people and elevate them above the average folk. In some way, maybe tomorrow and maybe ten years down the road, you're going to realize that they're flawed and not nearly the sparkling paragons of decency and honesty that you thought they were. I realized that lesson when I was still a teenager, some people take a bit longer, I guess.
The thing is if it was somebody more naive I would agree. I just think Reilly is in a position where he looks like an utter idiot and now he has to puff up his chest and play the I was deceived card.
Here was an article from Reilly a few months back.
So Lance Armstrong may have cheated, just like everybody else. Or maybe he gave up the fight because the whole thing was more crooked than San Francisco's Lombard Street. After all, USADA convicted him on hearsay, not proof. They don't have a single failed sample to hang their hats on -- Armstrong has never failed one -- so they took the word of riders like self-admitted liar Floyd Landis. The whole thing, all their evidence, is based on testimony, not tests.
Maybe these riders are lying, maybe they're not. I don't care. I'm wearing yellow Friday because I want Armstrong to know what he meant to me, my family and the dozens of people I know who took Armstrong with them into those chemotherapy rooms and radiation labs and the darkest corners of their fears.
In five years, nobody will want to check to see if Lance Armstrong's name is still attached to those trophies. But in five years, they'll still want him leading any peloton that's trying to chase down cancer.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8310275/armstrong-worth-honoring
The only thing that's really changed is now everybody condemning Armstrong. I'd almost respect Reilly if he just stick with this line of argument. I don't agree with it, but at least its consistent.
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I can't imagine bigger wastes of time than spending 10 years chasing down dopers in cycling. Being a libertarian?
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Oh Rick Reilly :lol
Instead of maybe pointing that mirror inward and asking why you allowed yourself to be duped like an idiot, it's all "HE LIED TO ME. :bawl"
Among my emails Wednesday morning, out of the blue, was one from Lance Armstrong.
Riles, I'm sorry.
All I can say for now but also the most heartfelt thing too. Two very important words.
L
And my first thought was ... "Two words? That's it?"
Two words? For 14 years of defending a man? And in the end, being made to look like a chump? Wrote it, said it, tweeted it: "He's clean." Put it in columns, said it on radio, said it on TV. Staked my reputation on it.
But here's the thing. When he says he's sorry now, how do we know he's not still lying? How do we know it's not just another great performance by the all-time leader in them?
And I guess I should let it go, but I keep thinking how hard he used me. Made me look like a sap. Made me carry his dirty water and I didn't even know it.
I guess I should forgive him. I guess I should give him credit for putting himself through worldwide shame. I guess I should thank him for finally admitting his whole magnificent castle was built on sand and syringes and suckers like me. But I'm not quite ready. Give me 14 years, maybe.
You're sorry, Lance? No, I'm the one who's sorry.
It's like a kid finding out there is no Santa.
How do we know he's not still lying when he said he used steroids and that he actually DIDN'T DO THEM? :ohhh
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like Reilly wasn't making bank off the story the whole time
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Reilly:
(http://i.imgur.com/6kO6Z.jpg)
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Lance will never tell all about his doping. I just wanna hear how he spins his bullying ways and generally being a despicable person.
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Haha what a douche.
Did they ask him how he plans to pay back all the money he got?
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Maybe after cheat he can look up fraud in the dictionary.
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Armstrong is a shiny example of American Exceptionalism. Lie and cheat your way to fame and fortune. When you are eventually found out to be a fraud, who cares? You are still wealthy and don't have to spend any time in jail.
#YOLO
:lol
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the story in the URL is so much more interesting than the actual story: http://gu.com/p/3d6kj
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What a shit head. He's only admitting as much as he needs to to cover his ass right now. Insincere human garbage.
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Worst defence is saying everybody was doing it.
Nazi executioner: bu bu everyone is killing people
If everybody jumped off a bridge would you jump too?
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:hump
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if i was an awesome cyclist and there were millions of dollars available to me, hell yes i'd cheat
there, i am an awful person
not as awful as Nazi executioners maybe but CLOSE
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It's really pointless to discuss what we would do, this is about what he has done.
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Can the full video of the interview be watched anywhere?
Apparently he said he wasn't sure if he had sued O'Reilly (the former team masseuse, who accused him in the past) because he sued so many people he lost track. Regarding the wife of an ex team mate which he also sued because she accused him he said "yes I called her crazy and a bitch but I never called her fat" in an attempt to make a joke. What a classy guy.
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You don't understand Joe, everybody called her a bitch.
After Lance beat cancer he was assured suing normal people or calling peoples wifes bitches is normal, all the while embezzling million of dollars.
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Did I mention he beat cancer?
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Worst defence is saying everybody was doing it.
Nazi executioner: bu bu everyone is killing people
If everybody jumped off a bridge would you jump too?
One flaw with the executioner line; all the other executioners were killing people. He was doing what he had to do to stay alive and not get killed by Hitler.
Much like Lance... :lol
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I don't understand Armstrong's motivation for this. If you are not going to come out and be completely ashamed of what you did, then why open yourself to all these potential lawsuits and public scorn?
In that interview he seemed to still be proud of his accomplishments, because in his mind he was still competing on a 'level' playing field. Not only did he beat his opponents, he beat the tests also. Even his dickish behavior to friends, teammates and the media was excused as being 'carryover' from his fight with cancer. His amazing determination just didn't have an 'off switch' ... it wasn't his fault.
So he didn't come off as contrite at all and just further exposes that the guy behind the facade is a pretty unlikable fellow at his core.
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yeah, I just want to know who he's trying to screw over by doing this.
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Worst defence is saying everybody was doing it.
Nazi executioner: bu bu everyone is killing people
If everybody jumped off a bridge would you jump too?
One flaw with the executioner line; all the other executioners were killing people. He was doing what he had to do to stay alive and not get killed by Hitler.
Much like Lance... :lol
Tbh if your refused to execute people in the German Army you weren't killed but just placed in another unit that didn't do executions. Normally no one was FORCED to take part in genocide, it was just considered duty and dirty work.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxnqHvEbGnc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmzeKNiMkAs
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Worst defence is saying everybody was doing it.
This defense is not used to demonstrate Armstrong's action were OK, but is used to demonstrate that Armstrong didn't have an unfair advantage over his fellow riders, at least those riders that were runners up to him. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9497344/Lance-Armstrong-who-may-get-his-Tour-de-France-titles.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9497344/Lance-Armstrong-who-may-get-his-Tour-de-France-titles.html)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmzeKNiMkAs
You try to power just the vending machine outside of Chris Berman's office without PEDs.
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Worst defence is saying everybody was doing it.
This defense is not used to demonstrate Armstrong's action were OK, but is used to demonstrate that Armstrong didn't have an unfair advantage over his fellow riders, at least those riders that were runners up to him. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9497344/Lance-Armstrong-who-may-get-his-Tour-de-France-titles.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9497344/Lance-Armstrong-who-may-get-his-Tour-de-France-titles.html)
No on is getting those titles.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmzeKNiMkAs
You try to power just the vending machine outside of Chris Berman's office without PEDs.
hahahaha
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Worst defence is saying everybody was doing it.
Nazi executioner: bu bu everyone is killing people
If everybody jumped off a bridge would you jump too?
One flaw with the executioner line; all the other executioners were killing people. He was doing what he had to do to stay alive and not get killed by Hitler.
Much like Lance... :lol
Tbh if your refused to execute people in the German Army you weren't killed but just placed in another unit that didn't do executions. Normally no one was FORCED to take part in genocide, it was just considered duty and dirty work.
I forgot that Stalin was the only genocidal maniac that existed back in those days. You're right, the Nazi's probably just let it slide when soldiers refused to do their assigned jobs... ::)
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I forgot that Stalin was the only genocidal maniac that existed back in those days. You're right, the Nazi's probably just let it slide when soldiers refused to do their assigned jobs... ::)
In this case they did, but don't take my word for it, just get a degree in history with this as your specialty like I did. Then you can be sure ::)
But I bet you have the same level of expertise on this matter as I do.
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In this case they did, but don't take my word for it, just get a degree in history with this as your specialty like I did. Then you can be sure ::)
Well maybe I will!
But probably not.
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PED moral panic and Nazi apologism in the same thread? Keep it coming!
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In this case they did, but don't take my word for it, just get a degree in history with this as your specialty like I did. Then you can be sure ::)
Well maybe I will!
But probably not.
Please explain more what your expertise is of how Nazi's operate in the field?
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I've watched A LOT of movies about WWII. :lol
I mean, come on, Kosma. I almost bought Inglorious Bastards last night on Blu-ray. I would've done it too, if it hadn't been for the Daniel Craig two-pack 007 deal for $14.99.
I'm pretty sure this makes me more knowledgeable than you. Try not to feel bad about it.
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If we're entering the credential-waving phase of the thread, I'd venture that Kosma isn't trying to find some clear wallspace to hang all his degrees in moral philosophy.
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I was hoping this would cause livestrongs merchandise to lose value and to buy a bunch for cheap, but it hasn't happened yet
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Im an expert :miyamoto
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Hard for me to sympathize with all the people whose lives Lance "fucked over," on account of the fact that the only reason they were in that situation was for snitching. Betsy Andreu snitched and didn't even get stitches; all she got was being called fat.
We have the crappiest trolls.
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You take that back right now
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Ain't nothing wrong with snitching.
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It can work. Remember when Fresh Prince was utterly humiliated by Cheebs' master's degree? I've also seen quite a few people "win" an argument in the eyes of thread readers by revealing that they had a law degree.
I nearly have a law degree--though I haven't been to class yet this semester. It's almost as if I want to be kicked out, so I can Cajole myself.
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Ain't nothing wrong with snitching.
Arvie is a perv.
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lol lager no matter how sorely tempted you might be, you should never flash your credentials in an Internet argument
that is like one step away from posting your iq
I know :(
It was a weak ass shit to do and im not proud of it.
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Im sorry.
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Ain't nothing wrong with snitching.
Arvie is a perv.
I hope google doesn't index this.
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if you whip your credentials dick out and it squirts hard science or law people choke, but if it's humanities they laugh. They think they know as well as you do when they don't. :maf
edit: corrected mixed metaphor.
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:bow the hard sciences cock or the instrument of hard law. :bow2
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People always assume scientists are conservatively biased towards "the establishment". History majors can just point to secondary sources or witnesses of an event to say what did or did not happen. I mean it's easier for people to believe their religious books than a science journal with terminology they can't even fucking read.
You gotta sound right to be right.
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if you whip your credentials dick out and it squirts hard science or law people choke, but if it's humanities they laugh. They think they know as well as you do when they don't. :maf
edit: corrected mixed metaphor.
That's because you pretty much get a B+ in humanities and most LAS classes just for showing up. I got an A in a 400 level journalism class in spite of showing up half the time and it isn't because I am a genius. Grade inflation is out of control.
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naa, you're smarter than you think.
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Im sorry.
I accept.
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if you whip your credentials dick out and it squirts hard science or law people choke, but if it's humanities they laugh. They think they know as well as you do when they don't. :maf
edit: corrected mixed metaphor.
That's because you pretty much get a B+ in humanities and most LAS classes just for showing up. I got an A in a 400 level journalism class in spite of showing up half the time and it isn't because I am a genius. Grade inflation is out of control.
Showing up is overrated.
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if you whip your credentials dick out and it squirts hard science or law people choke, but if it's humanities they laugh. They think they know as well as you do when they don't. :maf
edit: corrected mixed metaphor.
That's because you pretty much get a B+ in humanities and most LAS classes just for showing up. I got an A in a 400 level journalism class in spite of showing up half the time and it isn't because I am a genius. Grade inflation is out of control.
I have to say that it doesnt work like that in Europe.
If you study something it means all your courses are on that subject. Its not the us system where you major in something but also take cooking classes and journalism and then you get your degree.
There is no taking classes in this or that or grade inflation.
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I got a 2.1 in Eng. Lit in the UK and almost never set foot in a classroom so yeah, livestrong
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Let's not whip out our good-grades-despite-never-attending-class cocks.
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I think it's ok if we're using them to beat a Nazi apologist with because logical phallusy
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because logical phallusy
:rofl
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I think it's ok if we're using them to beat a Nazi apologist with because logical phallusy
I'm a Nazi apologist now? :lol
That's probably the stupidest thing I've heard in my life.
You should really take that back.
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Look at what Lance Armstrong is doing to us. That MONSTER. :'(
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Let's not whip out our good-grades-despite-never-attending-class cocks.
Oh god - I'd have biggest peen of this of literally anyone I'm ever met or heard of - no joke, no hyperbole. It has exactly zero real world value and it probably more destructive than anything because in the real world you are in fact explicitly rewarded just for showing up
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most schools funnel you somewhere between a C and a B with minimum effort depending on the major. I doubt getting a liberal arts degree at UC would be that difficult
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Yeah most college students can get 2.0-2.5 just by remembering what classes they're taking. Getting above a 3.0 requires actually attending lecture or studying a lot on your own time. Getting om the high 3's would be difficult for any major, maybe even harder for lib arts because those teachers hate making their classes seem easy.
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Those in the know claim that Lance was still lying a bunch while on Oprah
Not surprising, I guess but it still astonishes how he was treated like a god for a decade
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"good mic skills" haha, I like that
Lance is Hulk Hogan of the cycling world
juiced up, great at being face or heel, rich, lonely
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Whatcha gonna do when Lanceamania runs wild on you?
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Let's not whip out our good-grades-despite-never-attending-class cocks.
I only missed like 1 class in four years. :(
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according to my academic advisor I 'made a cynical mockery of this university's examination system'
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(http://i.imgur.com/4UKdjEI.png?1)
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(http://i.imgur.com/nKY5EIO.png?1)
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George Carlin :bow2
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Let's not whip out our good-grades-despite-never-attending-class cocks.
I only missed like 1 class in four years. :(
There are about eight law classes I've never attended. Worst grade in those classes: B