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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

Title: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 12:04:10 AM
http://kotaku.com/5977118/the-slow-excruciating-death-of-final-fantasy

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18bwo6uxos6txjpg/original.jpg)

My first memory of Final Fantasy was in 1994 when I looked behind a game mag and saw an ad for Final Fantasy V's japanese sfam cart imported. I used to draw the characters because I thought they were cool.

I didn't have a Super Nintendo, and I didn't know what an rpg was until super mario rpg, because on sega genesis we mostly just had action games.

But I kept up with a lot of game news. I remember this GamePro where I first got excited for Final Fantasy VII. I was 10 years old when that issue came out in I think early 1997.

I got a playstation later that year with VII for Christmas. Been a fan ever since. In 1998, I went backwards and started playing from III (snes) to II (snes), and then went down the nes line and played through those with fan translations. I was 11 years old, so it's been years and years. But after all of this, I can't accept it anymore.

It's time to abandon this ship. The dream is over. Final Fantasy, like God, is dead.

Let's muse about good memories of a once legendary franchise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMvHTlWyxH0
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Post by: MCD on January 20, 2013, 12:07:22 AM
No.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/34191a5dec2b29a2a9182590f4e427d1/tumblr_mfb8hbNTuM1qblvxio1_500.gif)
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
13-2 is pretty fun
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Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 12:11:12 AM
For those looking for a proper funeral, you can do no better than Theatrhythm for the 3ds. Uematsu said it made him cry. It will make you cry as well.
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2013, 12:15:42 AM
lemme borrow yr 3ds so I can play it
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Post by: demi on January 20, 2013, 12:16:46 AM
No thanks, I didnt buy this and got Dimensions instead. Or I suppose flapping your arms like the sky is falling requires less effort.
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Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 12:18:11 AM
This is a thread for good memories, not your cynicism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-iC0JdpDzE
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 12:18:55 AM
lemme borrow yr 3ds so I can play it

iie
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: MCD on January 20, 2013, 12:21:31 AM
Dead = Suikoden.

Final Fantasy is as strong as ever. You are just too Himu to realize that.
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: demi on January 20, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
Square is targeting Himuro just the same. Bet you can't wait to replay all those classics again when they release them on iOS :teehee
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 12:24:47 AM
It's not dead.  It's changed a lot trying to keep focus on its main demographic and you've changed a lot, out of its demographic.  It's like an adult saying action figures are dead cuz they aren't ninja turtles anymore.

And linking Kotaku - shame on you.  Did you see the idiot piece they wrote on Yakuza 5 last night?  Morons.

Yeah, I read it. That kotaku article isn't bad though. It's written by someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 12:25:22 AM
Square is targeting Himuro just the same. Bet you can't wait to replay all those classics again when they release them on iOS :teehee

fuck you

*takes out wallet*

*unzips pants*

*raises ass for penetration*

:(
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 01:07:58 AM
That butt tard.
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Robo on January 20, 2013, 01:08:48 AM
I haven't played a Final Fantasy since FF8.  What a terrible game.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2013, 01:08:54 AM
"fuckskate" :lol
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Post by: tiesto on January 20, 2013, 01:22:14 AM
13-2 was good but other than that, the series sucked after 9... this new IOS game sounds distinguished mentally-challenged though.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2013, 01:41:09 AM
Let's face it, producing these games on current/next gen hardware costs a buttfuckingly large amount of money and takes a while.  So, you get into a situation where companies will reuse assets making knockoff sequels... kind of a lame business model that doesn't seem like it has much chance of producing awesome games, but whatever.

As far as what Oscar says, I can agree with that.  I've grown out of the demographic for FF games.  I kind of enjoyed FF XII because it at least tried some new stuff and didn't have your prototypical angsty lead, but look where that got them.  I will be honest and say that I haven't played a minute of XIII or the sequel and have no urge to do so.   People just grow out of certain stuff... unless you're Borys I guess, but apparently the only things to do in Poland are hate black people and play bad games.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 02:16:49 AM
Unfortunately I think 13 was the dagger for me ever playing another final fantasy. Too many fundamental issues of them not knowing what to do with the series anymore.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 20, 2013, 02:26:48 AM
Nah. 13 was fun. XIII-2 fixed some problems. XIII-3 looks to even more ambitious. 14's reboot looks like it may be as good as well.

So nope, I still greatly enjoy the series. Best jrpg series by a mile.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2013, 02:27:36 AM
Nah. 13 was fun. 14's reboot looks like it may be as good as well.

So no you can cry why I keep enjoying the series.

There's no need for anyone to cry; you have FF, we have taste.  Winning all around.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 20, 2013, 02:30:57 AM
Nah. 13 was fun. 14's reboot looks like it may be as good as well.

So no you can cry why I keep enjoying the series.

There's no need for anyone to cry; you have FF, we have taste.  Winning all around.
What the heck is your problem with me. You seem to like to point out my liking in games. Here and in the top 5 games thread and so on. I mean I really didn't say anything beyond what say MCD or demi said, yet you don't seem to feel the need to comment about them. Does it upset you or something? Deal with it I guess.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2013, 02:37:11 AM
Trolls gotta troll, son.
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 20, 2013, 02:38:14 AM
Drama queens gotta drama.
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 02:38:31 AM
I'm just not that big on JRPGs anymore. And this is coming from some one who played virtually nothing but back in the ol' PS1 days, that and Nintendo games on the 64. Sure, there are a few that I'll play and enjoy, but for the most part I've moved by the target audience of the genre. It just doesn't offer the sort of thing I look for in RPGs anymore. Well, whatever, there are RPGs still being made that do, so I'll keep playing those and not get myself worked up too much in worrying about the games that don't.
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2013, 02:40:46 AM
I'm just not that big on JRPGs anymore. And this is coming from some one who played virtually nothing but back in the ol' PS1 days, that and Nintendo games on the 64. Sure, there are a few that I'll play and enjoy, but for the most part I've moved by the target audience of the genre. It just doesn't offer the sort of thing I look for in RPGs anymore. Well, whatever, there are RPGs still being made that do, so I'll keep playing those and not get myself worked up too much in worrying about the games that don't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P99qJGrPNLs

:drool
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 02:45:20 AM
Euro-Jank RPGs :drool
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Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 02:47:00 AM
I'm just not that big on JRPGs anymore. And this is coming from some one who played virtually nothing but back in the ol' PS1 days, that and Nintendo games on the 64. Sure, there are a few that I'll play and enjoy, but for the most part I've moved by the target audience of the genre. It just doesn't offer the sort of thing I look for in RPGs anymore. Well, whatever, there are RPGs still being made that do, so I'll keep playing those and not get myself worked up too much in worrying about the games that don't.
I don't play very many JRPG's anymore either as my tastes have migrated elsewhere but I still respect the ones that feel like they have a vision. I don't feel like Final Fantasy has a vision anymore. It feels like this very cynical and half-hearted attempt to appeal to westerners. I feel roughly the same about the Resident Evil series now. 
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2013, 02:54:54 AM
I think that there's something missing that made jrpgs fun/charming/whatever on next gen hardware.  The last non-handheld jrpg that I would rate as "very good" or better is P4... most of the stuff that I've enjoyed in the past 5 years or so has been on handhelds.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2013, 03:07:03 AM
Another developer who didn't lead with the Wii at their own peril.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 03:11:32 AM
I think that there's something missing that made jrpgs fun/charming/whatever on next gen hardware.

That's what I think, too, could just be nostalgia talking, though.
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Post by: Damian79 on January 20, 2013, 03:20:47 AM
It is called the "jank".  IMO even Star Ocean was better than FF games this gen because of the jank but they went overboard with it.  FF13 was to serious.
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Post by: Damian79 on January 20, 2013, 03:34:42 AM
I just made that word up.  No such think as jank on its own.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 20, 2013, 04:10:49 AM
13 was a great RPG.  someone's blinded by dumbfucking nostalgia.
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Post by: Damian79 on January 20, 2013, 04:25:24 AM
My probelm with FF13 is that it takes itself way too seriously when it shoudlnt.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/34191a5dec2b29a2a9182590f4e427d1/tumblr_mfb8hbNTuM1qblvxio1_500.gif)

Seriously how can you take that seriously looking at that?
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 20, 2013, 04:26:15 AM
That feel when you realize you're getting older and are now outside the target demographic of most games :fbm

Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Diunx on January 20, 2013, 08:46:14 AM
Dead = Suikoden.


:fbm
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Post by: archie4208 on January 20, 2013, 08:58:20 AM
That feel when you realize you're getting older and are now outside the target demographic of most games :fbm

That feel when you realize you're getting older and appreciate games you couldn't in the past.   :smug
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Post by: tiesto on January 20, 2013, 10:43:46 AM
There are plenty of RPGs I've enjoyed this gen that felt like they had the 'charm' of previous gens - Xenoblade, Resonance of Fate, TWEWY, Tits, the DQ remakes, Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey... just that the FF series has been very very weak lately, like Stony said, with no clear vision at all. From everything I've seen and heard, Bravely Default looks awesome and sounds totally like my type of game, so it's clear that SE hasn't completely lost it.

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I'm still gonna get and play through Lightning Returns though
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Post by: Don Flamenco on January 20, 2013, 11:24:24 AM
For those looking for a proper funeral, you can do no better than Theatrhythm for the 3ds. Uematsu said it made him cry. It will make you cry as well.


so how does Theatrhythm manage to evoke the feelings and emotional reactions that the mainline series is constantly fishing for but never catches?  :smug
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Trent Dole on January 20, 2013, 11:24:53 AM
Yeah, RPGs aren't dead, it's just that what was the eastern flagship for them in the west has been kinda shit lately. 8)
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Post by: Momo on January 20, 2013, 11:41:32 AM
Well I feel Final Fantasy have been getting poo since PSX with rare sparks inbetween. Playing Star Ocean on mute while not giving a single fuck about the story is great too
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 20, 2013, 11:52:31 AM
FFX, FFXI and FFXII were still really good.

Just this gen they fucked up completely with XIII and XIV being dogshit.

Maybe they can comeback next gen but it will be tough, two shit games in a row... basicly 10 years without a good final fantasy :S
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Momo on January 20, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
FFX, FFXI and FFXII were still really good.

Just this gen they fucked up completely with XIII and XIV being dogshit.
I agree with X, but I cannot agree with XII


EDIT: Didnt notice your edit. will rather not mention FFXI since no one really cares
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Post by: Momo on January 20, 2013, 11:55:33 AM
Dammit stop editing :maf
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 20, 2013, 11:58:15 AM
Think what you want about FFXI but it was really popular and a solid mmo. Ive put at least 100 hours into it before I decided it was too hardcore. Sure its only mainline in name and number, but such a quality product.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2013, 12:03:41 PM
Square can only blame themselves for hitching to the wrong horse.  FF13 could have came out much sooner if they had just gone multiplatform right from the start and not tried to do something special on the complicated PS3.   By the time FF13 dropped, hype had died down and hardcore fans' expectations were much higher because of the long wait. 
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Post by: maxy on January 20, 2013, 12:04:12 PM
Road has made some nice Japan charts

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Final Fantasy X sales (3 million) = 100%.
Final Fantasy X-2 sales (2.3 million) = 2.3/3 = 77%.
That indicates 77% of the FFX buyers came back for FFX-2.

(http://i.minus.com/ibd8g3gei9jmY0.png)
(http://i.minus.com/ibgX3fJZlkydTv.png)

People were really pleased with FF13
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Post by: Don Flamenco on January 20, 2013, 12:05:11 PM
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The results for Japan’s female character vote is now in.

Much like the earlier male character poll which saw Zack (FFVII) as the over all winner, the fight for the top appears to have been fierce. Lightning came in at #1, just narrowly beating out Aerith after taking what was seemingly an early runaway lead. Aerith and Yuna, however, were fighting for the top spot from the very beginning and lost out to Lightning by only two votes.

46 character names in total were posted by fans and the results – although not as detailed as the previous poll – reflect a general opinion of Japan’s Final Fantasy Forum using fans.

Those with duplicate rankings held the same amount of votes, and are thus counted as a tied ranking. Check out the full compiled list below. Note that not all 46 names are represented here, as characters with too few votes are not represented.

1. Lightning (FFXIII)
2. Aerith (FFVII)
3. Yuna (FFX)
4. Tifa (FFVII)
5. Celes (FFVI)
6. Tina (FFVI)
7. Serah (FFXIII)
8. Garnet (FFIX)
8. Faris (FFV)
10. Rinoa (FFVIII)
10. Rydia (FFIV)
12. Selphie (FFVIII)
13. Rikku (FFX)
14. Beatrix (FFIX)
14. Yuffie (FFVII)
16. Ashe (FFXII)
17. Rosa (FFIV)
17. Eiko (FFIX)
17. Agrias (FFT)


(http://i.imgur.com/xvdLiCH.jpg)

Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Momo on January 20, 2013, 12:06:27 PM
Think what you want about FFXI but it was really popular and a solid mmo. Ive put at least 100 hours into it before I decided it was too hardcore. Sure its only mainline in name and number, but such a quality product.

nah, i like XI. Just weird discussing it in this thread as that and XIV has always been its own thing.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
Voice acting really hurt JRPGs for me.  For some reason, reading the shitty dialogue was okay, but hearing it out loud?  Blah.

That, and "realistic" 3D animu characters.

2D sprites. No voice acting. I can handle all that just fine!
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: tiesto on January 20, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Square can only blame themselves for hitching to the wrong horse.  FF13 could have came out much sooner if they had just gone multiplatform right from the start and not tried to do something special on the complicated PS3.   By the time FF13 dropped, hype had died down and hardcore fans' expectations were much higher because of the long wait.

I don't think hitching themselves to the PS3 early on was the problem. Development was fucked from the get-go, large teams with little communication and no clear-cut vision for the game. It wasn't until the small demo of FFXIII included with Advent Children that they even bothered with a vertical slice (this was ~1 year before its release), before that it was just a bunch of concepts and tons-upon-tons of art assets. There's a story of a guy spending a few months drawing a rock texture just because there was no direction from management.

FFXIII-2 seemed like it was made as a checklist of all complaints with XIII, so part of it feels very cynical... even if I had more fun playing through it than the last few FF games.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 20, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
Voice acting really hurt JRPGs for me.  For some reason, reading the shitty dialogue was okay, but hearing it out loud?  Blah.

That, and "realistic" 3D animu characters.

2D sprites. No voice acting. I can handle all that just fine!

This is an issue for me too.

As long as everything was small and blurry like on the PSX I didn't have to look at animu characters.
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2013, 12:55:19 PM
people have been saying that the current gen's FF games suck since the ps1 days, yet the series still sells shitloads. i dont like some of the current games, but obviously there are plenty of people who do, so the brand is hardly dead or lost. i think the real problem is that the company's management has always felt fucked since all the back to the square & enix merger. poor communication with medai, (seemingly) sharing of assets, unchecked crazy dev time, bad brand management, etc. they still put out good games, they still have strong sales, but their footing has seemed off for a long time now.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2013, 01:16:28 PM
I forgot about Tales of Vesperia.  That's a really solid, good jrpg too.
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Post by: Tasty on January 20, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
Why the hell can't Square just make a proper Crystal Chronicles sequel before they die. :( Fricking Kawazu.
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Post by: Robo on January 20, 2013, 03:37:27 PM
Make a Tactics game that isn't for babbies, please.
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2013, 05:44:28 PM
MAKE A NEW CHRONO TRIGGER SQUARE COME ON
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Post by: Tasty on January 20, 2013, 05:58:02 PM
MAKE A NEW CHRONO TRIGGER SQUARE COME ON

It'd suck, be on iOS, and have microtransactions out the ass anyways. If you still want it, sure, ask Square for it.
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Post by: SantaC on January 20, 2013, 06:05:34 PM
why does himuro get a free pass.  :fbm   When I make a thread like this, everyone comes in and say oh look it is a SantaC thread

oh and kotaku is beyond terrible.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 20, 2013, 06:06:23 PM
himu gets anything but a free pass.
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Post by: chronovore on January 20, 2013, 06:28:26 PM
Yeah, Himu catches plenty of shit. Sometimes he has to go walk it off in a park.
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Third on January 20, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
DEAD TO ME

FFXII is the last good FF game, and that's from 2006. FFXIII is terrible, I haven't even played XIII-2 because of how terrible XIII was. And I'm not going to play Lightning Returns because of how terrible XIII was.

Square needs to kill off FF XIII and reboot the franchise. Can't believe Square once released 4 great FF games in ~4 years time...
Title: Re: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: chronovore on January 20, 2013, 08:45:52 PM
They're not going to reboot FF, its going to be other RPGs on which they take chances. Once a property hits FF status, there's no way to reboot it until it's dead, and though there have been bad games, it's still making money as an IP overall, so it's not dead.
Title: It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40
Post by: Huff on January 20, 2013, 08:47:57 PM
Isn't every new numbered entry technically a reboot? I bet there's a reboot next gen
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 20, 2013, 09:20:25 PM
Not going to lie, I'm kind of butthurt over the fact that Square is releasing new FF content to iOS.

Not sure why considering I own an iPhone that can play these games without a problem.
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Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2013, 04:32:45 AM
Not going to lie, I'm kind of butthurt over the fact that Square is releasing new FF content to iOS.

Not sure why considering I own an iPhone that can play these games without a problem.
Isn't that being against Square releasing content on a platform you own? Then again, with FF:ATB, it sounds like that might be common sense, or a highly evolved survival instinct.
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Post by: Damian79 on January 21, 2013, 07:32:21 AM
Man FF dimensions is awesome.  Breath of fresh air after the shit that was  FF13 and FF13-2.
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Post by: archnemesis on January 21, 2013, 08:37:26 AM
How far in are you? The prologue wasn't very impressive.
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Post by: Diunx on January 21, 2013, 09:02:10 AM
looks like a flash game, pass.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on January 21, 2013, 03:09:04 PM
how do you reboot a franchise of mostly stand alone titles that span across a wide variety of locations, time periods, gameplay, and everything.

ni no kuni just scored damn well, so JRPGs aren't totally dead...hell, even popularity of gameplay is at an all time low (a "good story" + graphics can overcome it easily, apparently.)  The only thing they need to do is make a good final fantasy game and people will buy/play it.   
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Post by: Steve Contra on January 21, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 21, 2013, 04:20:27 PM
I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.
FFXII was bad? That was possibly the best direction the series should and could have gone. You had open environments making it closer to an open world which is what people want in their rpgs these days. While it was still turn based, you could freely move your character. People don't seem to like turn based comment and well they want something close to action based combat. Being able to move at least gives the illusion of more involvement. And while I don't mind and in fact prefer the more crazy Japanese character design style, it's not in vogue. More down to earth "realistic" design is and well FFXII was better in this regard then XIII and X. But it's not just character design, more "realistic" world is also in demand right now. Deatailed worlds that seemingly make "sense", that people can understand and connect with easier is whats popular now. I mean obviously Skyrim is the perfect example, but there's also Mass Effect, Read Dead Redemption, GTAIV, The Witcher , and even Human Revolution. These game's feature worlds and characters that seem more believable and I believe right now that's what people want.

And well FF could do that. It doesn't have to drop it's stupid anime teen angst story. I don't believe that's what is actually turning off people. Most of the games I mentioned above have stupid stories anyway. Honestly Versus XIII could have been that game to do it. It's got action combat. It takes place in a more "realistic" world. The characters are pretty, but their outfits are toned down and your average dude can make sense of it.

I'm not even sure how Ni No Kuni( I think it's just the graphics) scored so well, either way it won't sell here.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 21, 2013, 04:23:31 PM
I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.
FFXII was bad? That was possibly the best direction the series should and could have gone.

I'm not even sure how Ni No Kuni scored so well, either way it won't sell here.

Yeah if FFXII was the direction ff went in i think the game would be wat bigger in the west.
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Post by: Himu on January 21, 2013, 04:25:32 PM
Ni no kuni looks boring and I'm amazed people actually want that game
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Post by: tiesto on January 21, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Ni no kuni looks boring and I'm amazed people actually want that game

I played the demo at NYCC and it was awesome.

I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.
FFXII was bad? That was possibly the best direction the series should and could have gone. You had open environments making it closer to an open world which is what people want in their rpgs these days. While it was still turn based, you could freely move your character. People don't seem to like turn based comment and well they want something close to action based combat. Being able to move at least gives the illusion of more involvement. And while I don't mind and in fact prefer the more crazy Japanese character design style, it's not in vogue. More down to earth "realistic" design is and well FFXII was better in this regard then XIII and X. But it's not just character design, more "realistic" world is also in demand right now. Deatailed worlds that seemingly make "sense", that people can understand and connect with easier is whats popular now. I mean obviously Skyrim is the perfect example, but there's also Mass Effect, Read Dead Redemption, GTAIV, The Witcher , and even Human Revolution. These game's feature worlds and characters that seem more believable and I believe right now that's what people want.

I'm not even sure how Ni No Kuni( I think it's just the graphics) scored so well, either way it won't sell here.

"realistic" and "grounded" characters/worlds in fantasy games just seem like a total oxymoron to me.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2013, 04:52:58 PM
XII was utter fucking garbage.  It had such promise with a great setting and art direction, but the gameplay was so so so bad and boring.  XIII had a muuuuuuuch more engaging and fun battle system.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2013, 05:10:13 PM
XII was utter fucking garbage.  It had such promise with a great setting and art direction, but the gameplay was so so so bad and boring.  XIII had a muuuuuuuch more engaging and fun battle system to enjoy in a series of tunnels

fixt lol
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Post by: demi on January 21, 2013, 05:19:40 PM
Ni No Kuni has nothing to do with FF. We have our lowered expectations thanks to Level 5 as it is. I just want a new HD JRPG to play.
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Post by: SantaC on January 21, 2013, 05:29:00 PM
I just want a new HD JRPG to play.

wait for Monolith soft announcement.

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Post by: Diunx on January 21, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
FFXII was soooo fucking good, I pity the fools that disagree, specially if they enjoyed the piece of crap that was X.
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Post by: Steve Contra on January 21, 2013, 05:40:28 PM
FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.
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Post by: demi on January 21, 2013, 05:44:42 PM
I just want a new HD JRPG to play.

wait for Monolith soft announcement.

No thanks.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 21, 2013, 05:46:55 PM
You can set your gambits to only do the most tedious stuff all the while you control everything else. It allows you to play the way you want to. My faults with XII is it's bad character development system since you can max out the Licence bored pretty quickly and make everyone the same even faster. And the story whimpers out. Then again I also like X and XIII.
Ni no kuni looks boring and I'm amazed people actually want that game

I played the demo at NYCC and it was awesome.

I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.
FFXII was bad? That was possibly the best direction the series should and could have gone. You had open environments making it closer to an open world which is what people want in their rpgs these days. While it was still turn based, you could freely move your character. People don't seem to like turn based comment and well they want something close to action based combat. Being able to move at least gives the illusion of more involvement. And while I don't mind and in fact prefer the more crazy Japanese character design style, it's not in vogue. More down to earth "realistic" design is and well FFXII was better in this regard then XIII and X. But it's not just character design, more "realistic" world is also in demand right now. Deatailed worlds that seemingly make "sense", that people can understand and connect with easier is whats popular now. I mean obviously Skyrim is the perfect example, but there's also Mass Effect, Read Dead Redemption, GTAIV, The Witcher , and even Human Revolution. These game's feature worlds and characters that seem more believable and I believe right now that's what people want.

I'm not even sure how Ni No Kuni( I think it's just the graphics) scored so well, either way it won't sell here.

"realistic" and "grounded" characters/worlds in fantasy games just seem like a total oxymoron to me.
I guess it is. But I'm not sure how better to describe it. Things like Skyrim, Mass Effect, and Game of Thrones. All fantasy/ sci-fi, but popular. I think it's because they make their fantasy worlds feel more grounded more plausible.
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Post by: Diunx on January 21, 2013, 05:49:04 PM
FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

That's only truth if you are one of those idiots that activate the gambits for all three characters.
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Post by: tiesto on January 21, 2013, 06:02:20 PM
XII was utter fucking garbage.  It had such promise with a great setting and art direction, but the gameplay was so so so bad and boring.  XIII had a muuuuuuuch more engaging and fun battle system.

The funny thing is if you mashed up the good points of FFXII (sidequests, large world to explore, Mediterranean-style art direction, optional areas) with XIII (focus, battle system, graphics), then do a hybrid of the gambits/paradigm shift (like, micromanage the AI routines for different paradigms via a gambit-esque system)... then added a decent story you'd have an absolute classic. Both games on their own felt very empty.

FFXII wasn't even half-finished when Matsuno cracked, and it shows.  It's ten or so hours of awesome followed by thirty to forty hours of shit only a developmentally-stalled aspie could enjoy.

Bu-but it was sooooo exciting wandering around those oil rigs that stretched on FOREVER just to find a treasure chest containing a dust mite!
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2013, 06:07:04 PM
FFXII wasn't even half-finished when Matsuno cracked, and it shows.  It's ten or so hours of awesome followed by thirty to forty hours of shit only a developmentally-stalled aspie could enjoy.

which is why i put over 100 hours into it :bowser
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Post by: Don Flamenco on January 21, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
XII certainly dragged at times.  I didn't like the end game, running through a huge dungeon that you can't get out of. 

XII International seems like it'll be a big improvement, can't wait to give it my full attention.
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Post by: naff on January 21, 2013, 06:53:29 PM
nvm wrong thread lol. First time I did that
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Post by: Don Flamenco on January 21, 2013, 07:01:21 PM
i don't think XBLG should be acceptable anywhere after having PS+ for a year.   
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 21, 2013, 07:57:15 PM
It was pretty awesome during that "Oil rig" part. Place was big, different, and interesting. Felt like I was going on adventure, like I was traveling some strange foreign place. Thats why I play FF and jrpgs in general.
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Post by: Damian79 on January 21, 2013, 10:38:05 PM
How far in are you? The prologue wasn't very impressive.

I am at the second chapter.  Proluge wsa kinda meh though.
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Post by: Momo on January 21, 2013, 11:00:17 PM
FFXII was the one that broke my spirit. Fuck that game.
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Post by: Himu on January 21, 2013, 11:26:20 PM
FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

Eh, FFXII has a lot of tough bosses that do require a lot of strategy and pre-planning. comparing it to mgs4 is kinda off and just an insult
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Post by: Momo on January 21, 2013, 11:50:19 PM
My favorites are FFV, FFVII, FFVIII, FFX  (I would say FFX-2 but fuck, I couldn't look past the shit surrounding the battle system).  I like them because for the most part they give you a battle system that is your sandbox to go and do as you please. White mages doing monk damage in FFV, whatever the fuck you want in FVII, FVIII, FFX. FFIX pissed me off with it's stupid abilities on equips and no freedom to decide progression at all, fuck that game. FFXII's gambits can go die in an icy cold wet blowjob in Antarctica. Fuck all that stupid shit.

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Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2013, 11:59:15 PM
FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

Eh, FFXII has a lot of tough bosses that do require a lot of strategy and pre-planning. comparing it to mgs4 is kinda off and just an insult

i'd say it easily has the MOST tough bosses of any game in the series, especially since you can access higher-level areas throughout the game.
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Post by: Himu on January 22, 2013, 12:00:17 AM
My favorites are FFV, VI, VIII, Tactics, X-2, and XII. And I like them because they allow absolute freedom of how the player controls or customizes their characters.
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Post by: Himu on January 22, 2013, 12:00:44 AM
FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

Eh, FFXII has a lot of tough bosses that do require a lot of strategy and pre-planning. comparing it to mgs4 is kinda off and just an insult

i'd say it easily has the MOST tough bosses of any game in the series, especially since you can access higher-level areas throughout the game.

yup. makes the people say it plays by itself look stupid.
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 22, 2013, 12:03:06 AM
even moreso since you CAN play through it 100% manually (even with full ATB) if you want to.


My favorites are FFV, VI, VIII, Tactics, X-2, and XII

 :bow :bow2
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Post by: Himu on January 22, 2013, 12:12:00 AM
To be fair, 100% manual FFXII is shit. I played it like that and I hated it. Once I started using gambits for basic stuff like nearest enemy -> attack: leader target and cure < 20% hp, it was a lot more enjoyable. it's shit i was going to do anyways and it still doesn't take tension out of the game. When you're up against enemies who can't be damage because they use a ridiculous buff and you have to switch it up and unbuff, game delivers. If you're using every single gambit for every single action, I'd find the game boring too. If you limit your gambits, it's pretty much the same thing as usual except 10x better.
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Post by: Momo on January 22, 2013, 01:09:44 AM
I wasnt including sub series :)
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Post by: Himu on January 22, 2013, 01:59:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMGQOX1zKdA

best written final fantasy :bow
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 22, 2013, 02:06:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyprDdpnYMw

Best voiced FF.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 22, 2013, 02:29:47 AM
FFXII wasn't even half-finished when Matsuno cracked, and it shows.  It's ten or so hours of awesome followed by thirty to forty hours of shit only a developmentally-stalled aspie could enjoy.

No wonder I loved it, i only played 10/15 hours before I quit for some unknown reason (my ps3 broke I think)
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Post by: Momo on January 22, 2013, 02:34:54 AM
If we're going into sub series then Vagrant Story is the best FF anyway
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Post by: Hock on January 22, 2013, 02:45:03 AM
I loved XII. Makes me want to play xenoblade since people have said it was similar.

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Post by: Don Flamenco on January 22, 2013, 01:32:46 PM
FFXII was fantastic. The battle system was great, it was more involved and different enough that I loved it, it reminded me of something like Phantasy Star Online's gameplay just with a more turn based JRPG style. The world was fucking great with tons of fun side quests, the story was still not very good but at least decent enough to care to follow. The voice acting was definitely above other FF games as well.

When I look back on it, it was the perfect new evolution for JRPGs. It also had main characters for japan like Vaan and one's for the west like Basch or Balthier. It was fantastically paced and was varied, a lot more than most FFs especially XIII.

PS2 definitely went out on a high note with FFXII and Bully.


I got pretty addicted to the game's mmo-loot style...sometimes I'd put the game in to play and end up messing around with chains and gambits for a couple hours.  I also didn't think there was a big difference between gambits and what you normally do in a JRPG (lots of repetitive fights pressing the same buttons.)  People made a big deal about it taking control away from the player, but it really just gave you a more meta system to work with--it definitely did NOT play itself, as I got thoroughly destroyed when I wasn't adequately prepared.  Games nowadays take your control away a lot more than this.
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Post by: Himu on January 22, 2013, 01:38:34 PM
Yeap. You will be destroyed in FFXII if you don't have the right equipment. Game is all about that loot and in order to retrieve the best loot early you have to go in crypts where enemies are 10-30 levels above you.

:bow GOAT Final Fantasy :bow2
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Post by: Diunx on January 22, 2013, 01:52:51 PM
Himu knows what's up

:bow the voice acting :bow2
:bow the badass judges :bow2
:bow the loot :bow2
:bow finding a fucking t-rex 30 levels above you outside the first dungeon :bow2
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Post by: Positive Touch on January 22, 2013, 01:59:13 PM
Did anyone on here beat the ultimate boss besides borys? I did everything except a few random bosses on the map and whatever was in the dungeon under the last level.  Those fuckin frogs would swarm my party before I could get anywhere :\
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Post by: Don Flamenco on January 22, 2013, 02:14:29 PM
:bow coming back to beat the shit out of the T-rex later :bow2
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Post by: Diunx on January 22, 2013, 02:39:04 PM
Did anyone on here beat the ultimate boss besides borys? I did everything except a few random bosses on the map and whatever was in the dungeon under the last level.  Those fuckin frogs would swarm my party before I could get anywhere :\

I made it to the one in the frozen lake/snowy mountains map, gave up after my four of fifth try already had like 120 hours clocked in the game :bow2
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Post by: hampster on January 22, 2013, 02:49:16 PM
i'd say it easily has the MOST tough bosses of any game in the series, especially since you can access higher-level areas throughout the game.

yup. makes the people say it plays by itself look stupid.

The most fun I've had in a Final Fantasy might have been going off to grab the Zodiac Spear at the first opportunity. Running through those ruins trying to open chests as the monsters attacked me was intense. I went through like 5 of my 6 party members just getting out of there.  Plus some of the fights on the way were a challange like the big firebomb

Man I love FF12. They need to HD that now, forget FFX
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Post by: tiesto on January 22, 2013, 03:07:35 PM
Xenoblade = what FFXII would be if it was actually good.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 22, 2013, 03:15:22 PM
FFXII is good. Although, it does fall prey to the infamous Japanese illness "we-don't-know-how-to-write-a-coherent-ending-itis."
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Post by: Himu on January 22, 2013, 06:40:16 PM
FFXII INTL HD please.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 22, 2013, 06:45:49 PM
I'm with Tiesto.  Mix XII and XIII together and you'd have the best FF game since VI.
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Post by: The Sceneman on January 22, 2013, 06:48:06 PM
I'm up to the final boss in FFXIII and while it isn't a great game, it is a good one. I want Vanille to go to the bathroom on my face
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2013, 12:04:02 AM
I dabbled in FFVII as a kid but never finished it, since I didn't have a PS. In fact the only Final Fantasy I ever truly played and finished was IV. It's one of the best games I've ever played. I was surprised at how good the story and characters were
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 23, 2013, 12:27:59 AM
FF7 is one seriously flawed game in almost every way. I guess in spite of this the gonzo energy the staff put into the project kind of comes through which I think is why people still like it.