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Title: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 18, 2013, 10:32:59 AM
Instead of making it easier for europeans to come over?
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mupepe on February 18, 2013, 10:43:09 AM
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Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: MrAngryFace on February 18, 2013, 11:05:10 AM
I think there's this weird notion that illegals are living lives that are as good as legal citizens which skews the whole issue. I SUSPECT the majority of them came here because they had to, not because they wanted to.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 18, 2013, 11:09:55 AM
cuz god forbid you have to show the illegals the door out its considered "bad" this is why the republican party is the right party. no illegals.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Huff on February 18, 2013, 12:00:04 PM
cheap labor. none of us american's want to do hard labor picking oranges. rather live on the street
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Not much illegal immigration from Europe, I'd imagine. At least, not anymore.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2013, 12:17:59 PM
Because once the illegals have children and integrate them into our school system it becomes very icky to then deport the parents when (if) they are found out.



http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-14-immigrant-report_N.htm

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According to the report, children of illegal immigrants make up 6.8% of children enrolled in kindergarten through 12th grade.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2013, 12:38:27 PM
and at this point, what would be the purpose of deporting them? Just to look tough on law enforcement?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I2TAMdSKF4

tl;dw Illegal immigration causes drunk driving deaths, better deport them all back to Mexico before they kill our children.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2013, 01:12:54 PM
I'll never get tired of hearing white folks who bitch about speed cameras and marijuana statutes talk about how immigration should be restricted cause hey, rules are rules, and should we really reward these people for having broken our laws?

No wait, I'm already tired of it.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mupepe on February 18, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
I'll never get tired of hearing white folks who bitch about speed cameras and marijuana statutes talk about how immigration should be restricted cause hey, rules are rules, and should we really reward these people for having broken our laws?

No wait, I'm already tired of it.
My brother has been out of work for 2 years because everyone is hiring mexicans to do the work much cheaper!  How is that fair?

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Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 18, 2013, 01:31:35 PM
Because Mexicans smell better than Poles.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mupepe on February 18, 2013, 01:46:26 PM
There's a perfectly good argument that a country's labor force shouldn't have to face wage competition at sub-minimum wage levels from people living within the country, but to me the policy implication there is more enforcement of minimum wage laws, not deportation.
The issue with the statement is the exaggeration.  It's also the implication that every job this douche bag doesn't get is because a Mexican was willing to work for less.  I don't think I should really have to provide statistics for anyone to understand how absurd that is.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Diunx on February 18, 2013, 02:34:25 PM
Maybe you gringos should work for less too.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 18, 2013, 02:35:24 PM
Instead of making it easier for europeans to come over?

They should do both.  Although according to EuroGAF, Europe is so far beyond the United States that I find it hard to believe any Europeans want to come over here at all.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 18, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Instead of making it easier for europeans to come over?

They should do both.  Although according to EuroGAF, Europe is so far beyond the United States that I find it hard to believe any Europeans want to come over here at all.


It should be Europe deciding whether they want to grant us refugee status or not.  Every day is war zone here, with everybody packing heat, after all. 
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2013, 03:22:46 PM
Because we want people who are going to come over here and work, not you lazy socialist fucksticks with dick warts
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mupepe on February 18, 2013, 03:40:43 PM
I will say that it's annoying how quickly the cries of racism/xenophobia/jingoism get thrown around if you don't take the hard left stance on immigration. I can jump through a million hoops to go work in South Korea, but apparently the U.S. should unilaterally open its borders without reciprocity from any other countries. This is mainly something I've seen on other forums, not here so much.
This is definitely annoying.  I've had this argument with my in laws before, many of whom are/have been illegal.  But I can tell you that hispanic media like ImigranteTV and Univision, etc do a great job of not actually informing their viewers.  Especially when it comes to immigration law.  My theory? *puts on tin foil hat*  All those immigration lawyers that advertise on hispanic stations love to scare immigrants into going to them instead of filling out the paperwork themselves. 
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2013, 04:01:06 PM
Truly, AWESOME-O is the real victim here.  :'(
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mupepe on February 18, 2013, 04:02:39 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 18, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
I think a lot of people would call countries like south korea and japan racist and xenophobic so I dont think that should be something to aspire to.

Because Mexicans smell better than Poles.

In the battle of beans versus cabbage farts there are no winners.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Positive Touch on February 18, 2013, 05:24:52 PM
because being able to travel around or temporarily work in another country where you're considered privileged is clearly the same as trying to live in another country where you are looked at as a parasite
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Positive Touch on February 18, 2013, 05:25:44 PM
also who in the fuck would ever want MORE europeans
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Verdigris Murder on February 18, 2013, 05:32:45 PM
Great point. Europeans can only offer better food, art and everything else; whereas tacos, lawn-mowing, the milf in Modern Family is a need, not a luxury.

It's pretty interesting the open hostility between the beaners and the blacks though.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2013, 05:36:24 PM
Great point. Europeans can only offer better food, art and everything else; whereas tacos, lawn-mowing, the milf in Modern Family is a need, not a luxury.

It's pretty interesting the open hostility between the beaners and the blacks though.
Why can't we all just get along and fuck each others women  :'(
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Positive Touch on February 18, 2013, 05:36:43 PM
europeans smell bad and have boring movies. that isnt my opinion; its a proven fact.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Positive Touch on February 18, 2013, 05:57:07 PM
its almost like we set up our policies to be fucked up solely for the purpose of keeping people from certain countries out
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2013, 06:18:52 PM
the illegal-est immigrants of all are the whiteys

No way, breh.  Gave the natives all dem blankets.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2013, 06:25:53 PM
the illegal-est immigrants of all are the whiteys

No way, breh.  Gave the natives all dem blankets.

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Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 07:10:13 PM
There's a perfectly good argument that a country's labor force shouldn't have to face wage competition at sub-minimum wage levels from people living within the country, but to me the policy implication there is more enforcement of minimum wage laws, not deportation.

They are facing competition from workers getting sub-US minimum wage everywhere else in the world anyway; the only difference is that the ones in the US are visible to them. On the other hand, if done above-board, the ones in the US will be paying US taxes, in theory making life easier for everyone in the country
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: brawndolicious on February 18, 2013, 07:23:34 PM
There's a perfectly good argument that a country's labor force shouldn't have to face wage competition at sub-minimum wage levels from people living within the country, but to me the policy implication there is more enforcement of minimum wage laws, not deportation.

You could expand that to say that since it's harder for lower income legal citizens to find a job with a living wage, that makes sense for them to try to stay on welfare as long as possible.

I don't know if it counts as irony, but the solution is massive amnesty for those who have lived here for a while and have families and job skills but are held back by only being able to work under the counter jobs.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
Yeah, immigration gives foreign, low-skilled labor access to markets (construction/services, mostly) that they can't get through international trade, but the reverse is also true for manufacturing.  Plus immigrants add to local demand, so I'd imagine it's a wash.

In any case, you can't simultaneously advocate for 1) intervening (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=26303.msg699808#msg699808) to stop the offshoring of US jobs, 2) protecting US citizens from competing with immigrants in the domestic labor market, and 3) improving living standards in the developing world to ease the demand for labor movement.  If the world's poor are going to see any gains, it will be through access to developed markets; labor or goods/capital, something has to be allowed to cross borders at some point.
Title: Re: Why will usa grant citizenship to illegal immigrants?
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2013, 08:11:41 PM
Didn't mean to get your dander up.  If you've changed your mind since then nobody's stopping you from saying so.

The point stands, though: at least one of those three has got to give, and it's best that we face up to that.


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