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Title: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 11, 2007, 01:56:46 PM
I feel so dirty.  :(

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18875 (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18875)
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 02:10:49 PM
Yeah, she's pretty on target on this one.  That case was completely ridiculous.  It's ludicrous that Americans are conditioned like dogs to 100% believe the woman in these situations, despite any evidence to the contrary.  And it's not like there WASN'T a lot of evidence proving the innocence of the lacrosse players.

Shame on the faculty for using what was clearly a hoax to even further push their lame agenda furthering these conditioned responses to perceived racism and sexism.  Lameass PC bullshit.

Speaking of PC conditioning:

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According to the Los Angeles Times—in an article about another hoax "hate crime" on a college campus—false reports of racist hate crimes on college campuses have averaged about one a year for 20 years.

Without having read this LA Times article, I bet a lot of the hoax "hate crimes" weren't deliberate hoaxes, but just cases where an overly PC aware and "persecuted" jackass saw hate in something completely innocuous  or unintended.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Wobedraggled on January 11, 2007, 02:11:28 PM
she needs it in the dumper.

Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 11, 2007, 02:18:45 PM
Of course as a white male Ann would feel that way.

A week after this made the news it was pretty clear that there was no case here. Oddly it took a year for some people to finally realize this.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 02:23:18 PM
Of course as a white male Ann would feel that way.

I'd think anyone with at least part of a brain would think this way. 

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A week after this made the news it was pretty clear that there was no case here. Oddly it took a year for some people to finally realize this.

Wasn't the case just finally dropped like a month or 2 ago?  Even once the case was dropped, there were still people on GAF going BUT SHE CAN STILL NOT BE LYING!  There's this godawful response to any rape accusation that women would NEVER lie about being raped.  I'd wager there are a large amount of people in prison wrongfully do to that response.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2007, 02:44:10 PM
My dad's friend got into maximum security prison (federal) because he violated a restraining order by his exgirlfriend when she asked him to come over to comfort her because she was depressed.  She didn't call the cops until he was living with her for two weeks and they pointed their guns at him and told him he was under arrest when they woke him up after which a judge put him into maximum security prison for 8 months.  Men have no voice when it comes to defending themselves, people will never trust a man against a woman.

And Ann's a bitch.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 02:47:44 PM
Well, you see, that's a case of someone clearly breaking the law, not a case of SHE SAID HE DID it versus a mountain of evidence that says he didn't.

And come on, anyone that's, you know, ever lived can tell you that women can be as untrustworthy as men can.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2007, 02:57:57 PM
the part that annoyed me was that she didn't also get thrown into prison for being a god damn two-faced bitch.

Laws are making women feel overprotected and able to do whatever unethical things they want.

And Ann's a bitch.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2007, 02:58:55 PM
she needs it in the dumper.

http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 03:06:47 PM
I personally find Ann to be pretty freakin' funny.  There's no way she buys what she's selling most of the time.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 11, 2007, 03:13:01 PM
I personally find Ann to be pretty freakin' funny.  There's no way she buys what she's selling most of the time.

I have actually given serious thought to that. If, and this is a big if, she doesnt and its all satire I would have to say she is a genius.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Saint Cornelius on January 11, 2007, 03:14:13 PM
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: APF on January 11, 2007, 03:44:53 PM
I personally find Ann to be pretty freakin' funny.  There's no way she buys what she's selling most of the time.

I have actually given serious thought to that. If, and this is a big if, she doesnt and its all satire I would have to say she is a genius.

It's not satire so much as trolling.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Vizzys on January 11, 2007, 03:59:46 PM
she needs it in the dumper.

http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/

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...I went back to punishing her asshole, giving no thought whatsoever to compassionate conservatism as her chocolate socket gnawed on my pork pipe. She was babbling now, as out of a delirious reverie.

:rofl
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Soul Pole Deluxx on January 11, 2007, 04:01:18 PM
Fuck her. She only champions the white cause.

Where was she when dud got shot 50 fucking times in his car in NY?

Poor white people, they're such targets for hate crimes  :(
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 04:05:53 PM
Fuck her. She only champions the white cause.

Where was she when dud got shot 50 fucking times in his car in NY?

Poor white people, they're such targets for hate crimes  :(

Yes, let's judge her on things she didn't say.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2007, 04:24:59 PM
Whoa - Coulter...FTW?

Seems so. I feel dirty too
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Soul Pole Deluxx on January 11, 2007, 04:27:19 PM
Fuck her. She only champions the white cause.

Where was she when dud got shot 50 fucking times in his car in NY?

Poor white people, they're such targets for hate crimes  :(

Yes, let's judge her on things she didn't say.

That was a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged response dude.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: APF on January 11, 2007, 04:33:44 PM
Fuck her. She only champions the white cause.

Where was she when dud got shot 50 fucking times in his car in NY?

Poor white people, they're such targets for hate crimes  :(

Yes, let's judge her on things she didn't say.

That was a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged response dude.

Did you just say you wanted to kill all the Jews??  WTF genocide!!
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 04:34:29 PM
Fuck her. She only champions the white cause.

Where was she when dud got shot 50 fucking times in his car in NY?

Poor white people, they're such targets for hate crimes  :(

Yes, let's judge her on things she didn't say.

That was a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged response dude.

I too am glad that you finally have come to terms with your big black dick fetish.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2007, 04:38:59 PM
The part that pissed me off most was the responce to this in the black community. From the offset these guys were guilty until proven guilty-er in the minds of many black "leaders" and their ignorant followers.

It reminds me of OJ. This sense of entitlement some people have towards these crimes. "Oh yeah he might have murdered her, but whites have gotten away with killing blacks for years and it's time we balance it out" or "Oh, these guys might be innocent but if it was a group of black guys gangraping a white woman they'd be in prison right now." That doesn't address the issue at all, and that vendetta mentality has no place in law. You are innocent until proven innocent, not the other way around, and it's laughable that anyone could possibly think they have all the facts of the case because some asshole "expert" on CNN told them so.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 04:42:35 PM
Honestly PD, maybe there was a racial element to this, painting it as a Black woman v. White man thing, but I'd always considered it a sad showing of the apparently treasured "Women would never lie about rape" conditioned response that PCniks seem to love so much.

Actually, I'm fairly certain I did see some black/white takes on it, but I never paid much attention to them.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 11, 2007, 04:43:41 PM
Fuck her. She only champions the white cause.

Where was she when dud got shot 50 fucking times in his car in NY?

Poor white people, they're such targets for hate crimes  :(

Yes, let's judge her on things she didn't say.

That was a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged response dude.

OMG he didnt say that Osama BinLaden is evil. HES A FUCKING TERRORIST GET HIM!!!
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: APF on January 11, 2007, 04:49:13 PM
OMG he didnt say that Osama BinLaden is evil. HES A FUCKING TERRORIST GET HIM!!!

He's been suspiciously silent about baby-rape too.  Dude, you rape babies?? What a fucking psycho.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2007, 04:50:10 PM
Honestly PD, maybe there was a racial element to this, painting it as a Black woman v. White man thing, but I'd always considered it a sad showing of the apparently treasured "Women would never lie about rape" conditioned response that PCniks seem to love so much.

Actually, I'm fairly certain I did see some black/white takes on it, but I never paid much attention to them.

Trust me, this was a huge racial issue. A group of whites in a predominantly white, "elitist" college (located near a rather poor black area for irony) allegedly torture and rape an African American woman. BAM. Jesse Jackson just blew a load all over his turtleneck.

Cases like these always bring out race, which isn't surprising on one hand. But on the other hand you still have a group of people who's sole existance seems to be to play the race card at every moment. Oh, the case is taking long? If it was a black guy he'd be in jail already! Oh, they want to still play sports while the trial goes on? That's a damn shame!
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Nevermind Kobe lol
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Seems like people are waiting for another Rodney King
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 04:53:11 PM
So what if Ann Cunter thinks this way? Lots of people share the same opinion. I bet she thinks it's proper to wipe your ass after taking a crap, too. Are you gonna feel weird about that, now?  ::)

The Duke case IS ridiculous. And the amount of attention it received was just as if not more ridiculous.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 04:54:03 PM
So what if Ann Cunter thinks this way? Lots of people share the same opinion. Her reputation isn't so hot right now; I expect more of the same approach from her in the future.

The Duke case IS ridiculous.

Cool, so you agree with her on this then?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2007, 04:55:26 PM
So what if Ann Cunter thinks this way? Lots of people share the same opinion. Her reputation isn't so hot right now; I expect more of the same approach from her in the future.

The Duke case IS ridiculous.

Cool, so you agree with her on this then?

He can't admit it lol
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 04:57:29 PM
So what if Ann Cunter thinks this way? Lots of people share the same opinion. Her reputation isn't so hot right now; I expect more of the same approach from her in the future.

The Duke case IS ridiculous.

Cool, so you agree with her on this then?

Why the hell wouldn't I? And who says it's her exclusive opinion? I still hate Ann Coulter. Sean Hannity was right when he trash-talked the "god hates fegs" cult, but I don't think Sean Hannity is my hero. There are some things that are so fucked up that just about everyone would agree that it's wrong, and I think this is one of those things.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 04:57:46 PM
So what if Ann Cunter thinks this way? Lots of people share the same opinion. Her reputation isn't so hot right now; I expect more of the same approach from her in the future.

The Duke case IS ridiculous.

Cool, so you agree with her on this then?

He can't admit it lol

Come, on Diablos, why is it always about partisanism?  Just say "Ann Coulter is right on this one."  It's not that hard!

Admitting that she is right on one thing isn't saying she's the new hotness or nuJesus or anything.  Why can't the people on the extremes can't ever admit that their political enemies might have a good idea or two?  Oh, yeah, because if people were actually honest the world would take a giant shit.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 04:58:37 PM
So what if Ann Cunter thinks this way? Lots of people share the same opinion. Her reputation isn't so hot right now; I expect more of the same approach from her in the future.

The Duke case IS ridiculous.

Cool, so you agree with her on this then?

He can't admit it lol

Come, on Diablos, why is it always about partisanism?  Just say "Ann Coulter is right on this one."  It's not that hard!

Read up, MORAN
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2007, 04:59:53 PM
So what if Ann Cunter thinks this way? Lots of people share the same opinion. Her reputation isn't so hot right now; I expect more of the same approach from her in the future.

The Duke case IS ridiculous.

Cool, so you agree with her on this then?

He can't admit it lol

Come, on Diablos, why is it always about partisanism?  Just say "Ann Coulter is right on this one."  It's not that hard!

How can one ever agree with someone they've demonized to a point of not being human? If you feel Bush is a vicious killer who rapes babies and flies planes into buildings (not saying Diablos believes that) there's no way you can morally agree with anything he says. Because he's evil. And once you succeed in making him unhuman you've done the deed
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:00:13 PM
Sorry, I was making my post when you made yours.  SAY IT, DIABLOS!  "I agree with Ann," or something like that.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:04:47 PM
She made a couple good points, yes. I see nothing wrong with admitting this, because overall, she's still a joke.

Also, it's a waste of time to be partisan about Ann Coulter. I'd argue she gets so much press because people simply won't shut the hell up about her. "Do not feed the troll" comes to mind here.

Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:07:52 PM
I disagree.  I find her ranting hilarious, and I think part of the joy comes from knowing how much it outrages so many people.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:09:47 PM
I disagree.  I find her ranting hilarious, and I think part of the joy comes from knowing how much it outrages so many people.

It honestly doesn't surprise me that you would enjoy her bullshit and how it upsets people.

Also,

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Why can't the people on the extremes can't ever admit that their political enemies might have a good idea or two?

Ann Coulter IS "on the extreme", the extreme right that is. Why would you expect her "political enemies" to agree with her?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:13:53 PM
Ann Coulter IS "on the extreme", the extreme right that is. Why would you expect her "political enemies" to agree with her?


Because what she's saying makes sense in this rarest of cases?  Cmon, I thought you Democrats were going to start trying to be all bipartisan and shit?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:18:08 PM
Ann Coulter IS "on the extreme", the extreme right that is. Why would you expect her "political enemies" to agree with her?


Because what she's saying makes sense in this rarest of cases?  Cmon, I thought you Democrats were going to start trying to be all bipartisan and shit?

So because she says one thing about a rape case that makes sense, people should be expected to give Ann Coulter a free pass? Is that what you're saying? Come on White Man, don't be daft. With the exception of this, I can't ever recall ever hearing her say something that I remotely agreed with. Also, pleasing people like Ann Coulter is not how you start trying to be bipartisan. That's a waste of fucking time. What do you want, a headline in USA Today that reads "DEMOCRATS TO COULTER: "WE'RE SORRY"? :lol That'll make BIG CHANGES in the country, let me tell you!

Also, you say "you" Democrats like I'm a Congressman or Senator, :lol

Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2007, 05:21:09 PM
You don't get it Diablos. It's not about "giving a free pass" to anyone. It's about being fair and giving probs where it's due. If Coulter makes a good point, good for her; certainly you'd prefer her to keep up making good points lol.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:22:38 PM
Honestly, you two need to find a better example than Ann Coulter if you want to start talking about bipartisanship. She's already been quoted as calling herself a "polemicist".
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:23:38 PM
Ann Coulter IS "on the extreme", the extreme right that is. Why would you expect her "political enemies" to agree with her?


Because what she's saying makes sense in this rarest of cases?  Cmon, I thought you Democrats were going to start trying to be all bipartisan and shit?

So because she says one thing about a rape case that makes sense, people should be expected to give Ann Coulter a free pass? Is that what you're saying? Come on White Man, don't be daft. With the exception of this, I can't ever recall ever hearing her say something that I remotely agreed with. Also, pleasing people like Ann Coulter is not how you start trying to be bipartisan. That's a waste of fucking time. What do you want, a headline in USA Today that reads "DEMOCRATS TO COULTER: "WE'RE SORRY"? :lol

And here come the laughy faces!  Once again, I am not saying Ann Coulter is your new Jesus, she was right on one thing!  Free pass?  Fuck no.  I don't give anyone a free pass and I hold everyone's words up to scrutiny.  Unlike you, though, I never completely write anyone off because of who they are. . .oddly enough, the people that automatically  judged the lacrosse players guilty should look into that stance.

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Also, you say "you" Democrats like I'm a Congressman or Senator, :lol

No, I said it because your attitude is fairly typical to that of hardline democrats.  Lol it up, Diablos, you're as closed minded as THEY are.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:24:27 PM
I find it funny that you think things should be bipartisan, but only on your own freakin terms.  Kinda defeats the point, doesn't it?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: APF on January 11, 2007, 05:24:37 PM
Do people in the "reality-based community" really ignore reality when it comes from someone they've programmed themselves to hate?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:26:15 PM
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And here come the laughy faces!  Once again, I am not saying Ann Coulter is your new Jesus, she was right on one thing!
And that's basically what I said, too. So why'd you ask if Democrats are supposed to be bipartisan in this case? Who gives a shit; it's ANN COULTER.

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Unlike you, though, I never completely write anyone off because of who they are

Yeah, sure.

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No, I said it because your attitude is fairly typical to that of hardline democrats.  Lol it up, Diablos, you're as closed minded as THEY are.

This coming from someone who enjoys what Ann Coulter has to say. That's all I really need to know to take what you've said with a grain of salt.

I find it funny that you think things should be bipartisan, but only on your own freakin terms.  Kinda defeats the point, doesn't it?

Uh, I never said anything about my "own terms", but it's a waste of time to talk about Ann Coulter and bipartisanship:

Quote from: Ann Coulter Wikipedia Entry
Coulter has described herself as a "polemicist" who likes to "stir up the pot" and makes no pretense at being "impartial or balanced".
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:26:43 PM
Do people in the "reality-based community" really ignore reality when it comes from someone they've programmed themselves to hate?

Immediately writing people off and ignoring their pov is par for the course for these extremists.  Instead of trying to understand why someone believes the things they do, they find it easier to plant their own flag and say that their own opinions are absolutely correct.

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This coming from someone who enjoys what Ann Coulter has to say. That's all I really need to know to take what you've said with a grain of salt.

So I immediately get written off on the Diablos list.  What a close-minded duck fucker.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Mupepe on January 11, 2007, 05:27:03 PM
I find it funny that you think things should be bipartisan, but only on your own freakin terms.  Kinda defeats the point, doesn't it?
i.fucking.love.you
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:28:39 PM
So when did you decide to turn into such an asshole, White Man?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:29:37 PM
I find it funny that you think things should be bipartisan, but only on your own freakin terms.  Kinda defeats the point, doesn't it?
i.fucking.love.you

No doubt you do, sugar.  The type of hippie shit that Diablos follows down to chapter and verse is just as awful as the much-maligned bible belters refusing to change or learning to listen to people with different views.

Oh, I'm an asshole because I enjoy reading Ann Coulter and I think she made a decent point!   :'(
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:30:34 PM
You're a pretty sad and demented individual. You're completely twisting the argument. I agreed she made a good point yet you still continued to argue with me.

You're an asshole because you enjoy baiting me over stupid shit all the time.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: APF on January 11, 2007, 05:32:09 PM
Do people in the "reality-based community" really ignore reality when it comes from someone they've programmed themselves to hate?

Immediately writing people off and ignoring their pov is par for the course for these extremists.  Instead of trying to understand why someone believes the things they do, they find it easier to plant their own flag and say that their own opinions are absolutely correct.

It's weird, it's almost as though they're saying, "you're either with us or against us," or something along those lines; when you decide to cast someone as an "evildoer" you don't have to look into the "root causes" of their disagreements.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:33:16 PM
Because you added all sorts of ridiculous caveats to your agreement. And you put words in my mouth.

Look at this, Diablos, isn't this pretty much the opposite of being open-minded:

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Ann Coulter IS "on the extreme", the extreme right that is. Why would you expect her "political enemies" to agree with her?

Just because SHE may not be open-minded doesn't mean you shouldn't be.  Don't write people off because of their pasts!
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:34:52 PM
Ann Coulter's entire past is nothing but hating on liberals, White Man. It's kind of hard to not judge her past.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:41:41 PM
Ann Coulter's entire past is nothing but hating on liberals, White Man. It's kind of hard to not judge her past.

Well, I guess she won't be getting invited to your birthday party at McDonald's Playland this year.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:44:09 PM
Ann Coulter's entire past is nothing but hating on liberals, White Man. It's kind of hard to not judge her past.

Well, I guess she won't be getting invited to your birthday party at McDonald's Playland this year.

What?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Mupepe on January 11, 2007, 05:45:51 PM
Ann Coulter's entire past is nothing but hating on liberals, White Man. It's kind of hard to not judge her past.

Well, I guess she won't be getting invited to your birthday party at McDonald's Playland this year.

What?
I think he's calling you childish.  Her past should have no interference with her being right on a subject.  He's not asking you to agree with all her other views, only admit that she is correct in this instance without bringing up shit that has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 11, 2007, 05:47:36 PM
If you have experience with people who constantly misrepresent facts, construct bad arguments, and are generally demented it is then a good idea to primae facie write them off. The number of possible sources of information or opinion is so very vast that it is a good idea to lower that number when there is good cause to do so. For example if a conspiracy theorists constantly misrepresents facts then one need not pay attention to his new book that supposedly proves that George W. Bush is a robot controlled by "the Jews" or anything else he ever writes. Though, if he happens to be right about something, and this is brought to your attention, you can admit he's write while still writing him off in general.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 05:48:31 PM
Ann Coulter's entire past is nothing but hating on liberals, White Man. It's kind of hard to not judge her past.

Well, I guess she won't be getting invited to your birthday party at McDonald's Playland this year.

What?

I think he's calling you childish.  Her past should have no interference with her being right on a subject.  He's not asking you to agree with all her other views, only admit that she is correct in this instance without bringing up shit that has nothing to do with it.

Her past doesn't have anything to do with being right for once, yes. All I said was that it does not change my overall view on Ann Coulter. Which, you know, the OP was kind of talking about -- agreeing with Ann Coulter even if she's pretty icky otherwise.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 05:53:47 PM
If you have experience with people who constantly misrepresent facts, construct bad arguments, and are generally demented it is then a good idea to primae facie write them off. The number of possible sources of information or opinion is so very vast that it is a good idea to lower that number when there is good cause to do so. For example if a conspiracy theorists constantly misrepresents facts then one need not pay attention to his new book that supposedly proves that George W. Bush is a robot controlled by "the Jews" or anything else he ever writes. Though, if he happens to be right about something, and this is brought to your attention, you can admit he's write while still writing him off in general.

Pish.  This is why you hippies failed.  And coincidentally why I have over 20 gigs of Art Bell shows, too.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 11, 2007, 05:57:29 PM
If you have experience with people who constantly misrepresent facts, construct bad arguments, and are generally demented it is then a good idea to primae facie write them off. The number of possible sources of information or opinion is so very vast that it is a good idea to lower that number when there is good cause to do so. For example if a conspiracy theorists constantly misrepresents facts then one need not pay attention to his new book that supposedly proves that George W. Bush is a robot controlled by "the Jews" or anything else he ever writes. Though, if he happens to be right about something, and this is brought to your attention, you can admit he's write while still writing him off in general.

Pish.  This is why you hippies failed.  And coincidentally why I have over 20 gigs of Art Bell shows, too.
You're using Art Bell as a source of entertainment and not as a source of information. Though I would listen attentively if he is discussing how to get some Lemurs from the old country
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 06:08:32 PM
You're using Art Bell as a source of entertainment and not as a source of information. Though I would listen attentively if he is discussing how to get some Lemurs from the old country

Actually, in the early days, it was a fairly mixed up pot of credible vs. crackpot.  He'd get legit physicists to come on and explain the science behind things like wormhole theory and time travel, and sometimes even more everyday things.  George Carlin was also a guest a couple of times, and while we educated people don't take it seriously, he's had a parade of various priests come on to explain the more interesting facets of their respective religion.

The show didn't go 100% completely off the wall till probably the late 90s, at which point you could expect insane crap just about every night.  And apparently before he did Coast to Coast, he did a legit political talk radio thing for like a decade.

But, eh, I can devote an entire thread to Art.  I think the show is an educational experience.  Even the crackpots, I try to piece together how they've come to think what they think, and believe me, after a long time studying this shit, it's pretty easy to tell the "legit" crackpots from the people calling in just to joke.

But yes, it started out as a source of entertainment before I just got plain fascinated by the (I hate to use this word but I am watching Arrested Development and lol brain fart) "psychology" behind the crackpots.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 06:09:33 PM
What about Art Bell's Area 51 call? Wasn't that all set up?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2007, 06:10:31 PM
What about Art Bell's Area 51 call? Wasn't that all set up?

Yeah, that was an April Fool's Joke by Art.

Art is a tough guy to profile by the radio show.  You get the idea (most of the time) that's he's REALLY good at patronizing people, and making them believe he's following them, and on their side.  Because of this skill, it's difficult to tell how much of this crap he really believes. 
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2007, 08:58:32 PM
lol Diablos :lol
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 09:02:26 PM
lol what?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: y2kev on January 11, 2007, 10:53:37 PM
The poor kids' lives are basically ruined. I hope naively that there are no serious implications in the future when it comes to them getting jobs, meeting people, etc., but I know that's probably bullshit.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 11, 2007, 11:03:31 PM
The amount of media coverage was/is just pointless.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 13, 2007, 03:37:18 PM
Honestly PD, maybe there was a racial element to this, painting it as a Black woman v. White man thing, but I'd always considered it a sad showing of the apparently treasured "Women would never lie about rape" conditioned response that PCniks seem to love so much.

Actually, I'm fairly certain I did see some black/white takes on it, but I never paid much attention to them.

I stumbled on to the ad placed by the Duke faculty and if this isn't the biggest case of race baiting I don't know what is.

http://listening.nfshost.com/listening.htm (http://listening.nfshost.com/listening.htm)

80% of the African & African-American Studies, 72% of the Women's Studies, and 60% of the Cultural Anthropology departments signed it.

0% of the Engineering, law, Biological Anthropology and Anatomy, Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Economics, Genetics, Germanic Languages/Literature, Psychology and Neuroscience, Religion, and Slavic and Eurasian Studies departments signed it.

Big shock there.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Lonestar on January 13, 2007, 03:41:40 PM
Diablos, why do you constantly allow yourself to be baited?  It boggles the mind. 
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2007, 04:07:04 PM
Honestly PD, maybe there was a racial element to this, painting it as a Black woman v. White man thing, but I'd always considered it a sad showing of the apparently treasured "Women would never lie about rape" conditioned response that PCniks seem to love so much.

Actually, I'm fairly certain I did see some black/white takes on it, but I never paid much attention to them.

I stumbled on to the ad placed by the Duke faculty and if this isn't the biggest case of race baiting I don't know what is.

http://listening.nfshost.com/listening.htm (http://listening.nfshost.com/listening.htm)

80% of the African & African-American Studies, 72% of the Women's Studies, and 60% of the Cultural Anthropology departments signed it.

0% of the Engineering, law, Biological Anthropology and Anatomy, Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Economics, Genetics, Germanic Languages/Literature, Psychology and Neuroscience, Religion, and Slavic and Eurasian Studies departments signed it.

Big shock there.

Yup, told ya.

Pretty outrageous. And when you consider who signed it (many of the typical "social science" crowd) it's even less surprising lol

It's amazing how easy it is to pull race into an issue and totally discredit it.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 13, 2007, 06:40:57 PM
Honestly PD, maybe there was a racial element to this, painting it as a Black woman v. White man thing, but I'd always considered it a sad showing of the apparently treasured "Women would never lie about rape" conditioned response that PCniks seem to love so much.

Actually, I'm fairly certain I did see some black/white takes on it, but I never paid much attention to them.

I stumbled on to the ad placed by the Duke faculty and if this isn't the biggest case of race baiting I don't know what is.

http://listening.nfshost.com/listening.htm (http://listening.nfshost.com/listening.htm)

80% of the African & African-American Studies, 72% of the Women's Studies, and 60% of the Cultural Anthropology departments signed it.

0% of the Engineering, law, Biological Anthropology and Anatomy, Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Economics, Genetics, Germanic Languages/Literature, Psychology and Neuroscience, Religion, and Slavic and Eurasian Studies departments signed it.

Big shock there.

Wow, I didn't think the departmental slant of support for this would be that one sided.  I must say, I have to give the faculty more credit than I did.  I figured it was going to be a cross-section of the faculty, not just the usual gang of idiots.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: futami on January 13, 2007, 07:20:04 PM
Yeah, she's pretty on target on this one.  That case was completely ridiculous.  It's ludicrous that Americans are conditioned like dogs to 100% believe the woman in these situations, despite any evidence to the contrary.  And it's not like there WASN'T a lot of evidence proving the innocence of the lacrosse players.

Shame on the faculty for using what was clearly a hoax to even further push their lame agenda furthering these conditioned responses to perceived racism and sexism.  Lameass PC bullshit.

Speaking of PC conditioning:

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According to the Los Angeles Times—in an article about another hoax "hate crime" on a college campus—false reports of racist hate crimes on college campuses have averaged about one a year for 20 years.

Without having read this LA Times article, I bet a lot of the hoax "hate crimes" weren't deliberate hoaxes, but just cases where an overly PC aware and "persecuted" jackass saw hate in something completely innocuous  or unintended.



the lacrosse players, being white duke students, most likely are racist and could, conceivably, commit the acts they're charged with.

you still have no evidence it's a hoax.

she could very well be telling the truth, but she's black, living in the south, accusing wealthy whiteboys of rape.

from the outset, the odds were against her.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 13, 2007, 07:30:21 PM
Yeah, she's pretty on target on this one.  That case was completely ridiculous.  It's ludicrous that Americans are conditioned like dogs to 100% believe the woman in these situations, despite any evidence to the contrary.  And it's not like there WASN'T a lot of evidence proving the innocence of the lacrosse players.

Shame on the faculty for using what was clearly a hoax to even further push their lame agenda furthering these conditioned responses to perceived racism and sexism.  Lameass PC bullshit.

Speaking of PC conditioning:

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According to the Los Angeles Times—in an article about another hoax "hate crime" on a college campus—false reports of racist hate crimes on college campuses have averaged about one a year for 20 years.

Without having read this LA Times article, I bet a lot of the hoax "hate crimes" weren't deliberate hoaxes, but just cases where an overly PC aware and "persecuted" jackass saw hate in something completely innocuous  or unintended.



the lacrosse players, being white duke students, most likely are racist and could, conceivably, commit the acts they're charged with.

you still have no evidence it's a hoax.

she could very well be telling the truth, but she's black, living in the south, accusing wealthy whiteboys of rape.

from the outset, the odds were against her.

Nah dude, it's definitely a hoax.  And not even a good one.  The chick has changed her story about 6 times as the people she's accused have produced alibis.

The fact that this case has been so dragged out proves that her race has nothing to do with the case being dropped.  How about the lack of any DNA evidence, even across multiple tests?  Or how about the first people she accused ended up having solid alibis?

If the odds were truly against her, this case would've been dropped after the very first round of DNA tests, back in April, but no, they did more tests, and they let her change her story, multiple times.  She's been given more than the benefit of a doubt here.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 13, 2007, 08:55:57 PM
futami, this has nothing to do (or should have nothing to do) with "wealthy whiteboys." The whole thing has been overblown. That's what it boils down to. If you're dumb enough to make this about race, that's your problem. The case is, to put it simply, stupid.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: futami on January 13, 2007, 09:44:12 PM
futami, this has nothing to do (or should have nothing to do) with "wealthy whiteboys." The whole thing has been overblown. That's what it boils down to. If you're dumb enough to make this about race, that's your problem. The case is, to put it simply, stupid.

had it been three black boys, they probably would have been lynched by now.

it has everything to do with race.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 13, 2007, 09:55:58 PM
futami, this has nothing to do (or should have nothing to do) with "wealthy whiteboys." The whole thing has been overblown. That's what it boils down to. If you're dumb enough to make this about race, that's your problem. The case is, to put it simply, stupid.

had it been three black boys, they'd probably would have been lynched by now.

it has everything to do with race.

Yes, because we just know how common lynchings are in this day and age.  C'mon futami, these kids were held up to a high amount of scrutiny.  To totally destroy your argument, people continued to listen to the BLACK victim after it was discovered she lied multiple times and had many sexual partners. . .and this was all below the Mason-Dixon line, in supposed "racist" territory. 

If race had anything to do with this, color me shocked.  The supposedly racist south continued to investigate the repeatedly disproven claims of a known promiscuous black stripper.  Where's the racism here?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2007, 10:04:09 PM
I'm tired of the double standard given to women who cry rape. When an accuser starts changing their story on any other crime it's automatically (and universally) seen as the first admission of guilt. Yet when alleged rape victims start changing their story we have to hear the boo hoo hoo stories of how they were demonized, treated unfairly, and omg this is a sexist system and her privacy is now gone because of the media, so oh no wonder she wants to end the case right now. You either got raped or you didn't get raped, and if these holier than thou female defense attornies really cared about these alleged victims they would't be covering the story 24/7 and putting pressure on them (which is what they accuse everyone else of doing, excluding themselves).
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 13, 2007, 10:43:02 PM
Come on futami! She initially told police that she was raped by 20 white men, later claiming three (a few weeks ago she claimed she wasn't sure she was raped at all). The alleged victim originally claimed the white devils did not use condoms and ejaculated yet no DNA from any of the players was found on her. She also claimed she did not have sex for a whole week, but sperm from several males was found in her body. She also changed the timeline several times, nevertheless all of the timelines seem to be problematic for a variety of reasons (photo evidence, phone calls, taxi rides, ATM attraction, etc.). Let's not even get into her history.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 13, 2007, 10:47:20 PM
Come on futami! She initially told police that she was raped by 20 white men, later claiming three (a few weeks ago she claimed she wasn't sure she was raped at all). The alleged victim originally claimed the white devils did not use condoms and ejaculated yet no DNA from any of the players was found on her. She also claimed she did not have sex for a whole week, but sperm from several males was found in her body. She also changed the timeline several times, nevertheless all of the timelines seem to be problematic for a variety of reasons (photo evidence, phone calls, taxi rides, ATM attraction, etc.). Let's not even get into her history.

No malek you don't get it she was BLACK thus she CAN'T be lying!  You saw how quickly they've dismissed the charges!  Oh, wait. Er, I mean, you saw WHEN THE VICTIM WAS LYNCHED!  Oh, uh, wait!  But it's in the big racist south, so it has to be RACISM.  RICH WHITE RACISM!!
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 13, 2007, 10:51:47 PM
Nifong thought this case was his ticket to a nice political career, but now it looks as if he won't even have a legal career.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Diablos on January 13, 2007, 11:24:13 PM
futami, this has nothing to do (or should have nothing to do) with "wealthy whiteboys." The whole thing has been overblown. That's what it boils down to. If you're dumb enough to make this about race, that's your problem. The case is, to put it simply, stupid.
had it been three black boys, they probably would have been lynched by now.

Keep telling yourself that, futami. I agree with you when it comes to some things, but I'm just not following you here.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 14, 2007, 12:32:01 AM
You know, most people thought Kobe was innocent. What color was he again?
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 12:37:19 AM
Well, I think it's just distinguished mentally-challenged to try to say race was a factor in this case.  And the Kobe case for that matter.


Both were sexual assault cases, and I think the pavlovian "Women never lie about rape" thing outweighs the race factor.  No matter what color their skin, people pay attention to rape charges.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 03:10:32 AM
Well, I think it's just distinguished mentally-challenged to try to say race was a factor in this case.  And the Kobe case for that matter.


Both were sexual assault cases, and I think the pavlovian "Women never lie about rape" thing outweighs the race factor.  No matter what color their skin, people pay attention to rape charges.

With the Kobe case it was a big black guy allegedly overpowering a white girl and raping her. The race card was out from the beginning; I've never seen anyone deny that.

Here, the race factor is different but still large. It's not surprising why some whites including yourself don't see the race issue here, but from my position (and possibly Futami's, I don't know) it's not hard at all.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 03:21:32 AM
I dunno, PD, it's difficult to tell how hard the race card was being played when the equally big Celebrity card was also on the table.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 03:29:28 AM
I dunno, PD, it's difficult to tell how hard the race card was being played when the equally big Celebrity card was also on the table.

OJ much? lol

Kobe was never seen as a thug type player and was (and still is) given the benefit of the doubt. If this was an Allen Iverson, things would have been different.

With the Duke case the race card was played rather early on by the woman's team. Not to mention the big protests that went on at the school while this was happening; god I hope those people feel like idiots now.
Title: Re: I just agreed with Ann Coulter.
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 03:53:37 AM
Oh, PD, I'm sure that much like futami, they have fooled themselves into thinking that their actions were right on some level.