THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2013, 08:52:30 PM
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For those who 'Jump In', here is an attempt to make some lemonade.
•Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
If you are into this sort of thing. Obviously, this thread will be dead for a long time and may be replaced.
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I'm not sure how anyone can make lemonade with this? Is there a loophole of some sort like PSN sharing?
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mmmm piss :piss2
:mouf
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So along with the other info there will be a per game indication on the back of the box along the lines of "THIS GAME IS GIVEABLE"....
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Pissing in my mouth
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If PS4 does this as well then I'm totally done with console gaming across the board
Maybe I'll buy a Wii U---NO NO NO NON ONONONONONO
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Living the life of piss and shit
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I'm guessing the lemonade is selling a game to a fellow borito, or trading games.
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If PS4 does this as well then I'm totally done with console gaming across the board
Maybe I'll buy a Wii U---NO NO NO NON ONONONONONO
Yeah, the more I hear about Xbone, the more I feel like I'm going to be exercising my Steam account at long last.
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I "gave a game to my friend" just yesterday, by handing them the disc.
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I "gave a game to my friend" just yesterday, by handing them the disc.
Worse than piracy.
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Criminal :wag
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Yeah, there's no lemonade here, just piss. The game is "given", that means you don't own it/can't access it any longer, and your friend can't "give" it to anyone else, including back to you.
Right. The trade is final. May as well try to get something out of a game you don't play anymore. *shrugs*
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You're not going to get much, if anything, because you have to be friends with people for at least 30 days. It will also only trade once. They're killing trading and second hand markets they can't get a share of.
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System is obviously designed to push new games,only new game owner can get some money back.
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And only at certified retailers, who have no incentive to give you even as much/little as they give you now.
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Yes, I get all this. I have a lot of the bore on my XBL list for over a year. I don't see it as a huge barrier.
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Getting lemonade means being given lemons first and trying to make the best out of the shitty situation. Don't make the mistake that I'm taking this bullshit seriously.
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This is from MCV
GAME OWNERSHIP & TRADE-IN GAMES
Xbox One will introduce day and date digital/retail delivery of games.
Discs will "continue to be a great way to install your games quickly" - but you can also download them.
The games you buy are tied to your account.
That way, you can sign into any Xbox One device and play all your games.
Any games you assign to your owned device can be played by anyone who turns that device on, whether they are signed in as you, themselves, or a guest.
You can also allow up to ten friends or family log in to your library remotely from any Xbox One and play your games.
You can even be playing different games from your library at the same time from different locations.
Xbox One, again, is not built with anti-preowned measures.
But Microsoft has transferred the decision about preowned games to publishers.
Its up to them if you can trade their games in at retailers.
Microsoft is not charging a fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games - and has been clear it is not taking a slice of the cash.
Its first-party games can be traded in with no extra fees or stipulations or second user charges.
But it is allowing publishers to charge if they wish.
And it looks like trade-ins can only be done at 'participating retailers'.
"Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers" is how Microsoft describes it.
You can still lend your games to your friends, and it doesn't cost money to transfer/lend the licence to them.
But there are stipulations: "you can only give games to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."
So if you lend a game to a friend, get it back, and they ask to borrow it again, they will have to buy their own copy.
But in many ways a lot of this is moot - Microsoft says that 'loaning and renting games' isn't a feature available at launch of Xbox One.
That suggests that this plan has been tweaked in the days since the Xbox One reveal.
Clear as mud.
smh
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with lending being limited to gifting the game away, why do they have to have been on your friendslist for 30 days first? I don't understand. this mud isn't clear enough.
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So you can share/loan/etc games by letting people remotely play on your account.
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And so you don't sell them on eBay, Amazon marketplace, etc.
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Don't make the mistake that I'm taking this bullshit seriously.
:lol
::)
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Lemonaids morelike.
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This shit is cool only if they start pricing like Steam or at least have most games in the $40 range.
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Never gonna happen
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UK independent retailers
Matthew Brady – Game On
“They have left yet more unanswered questions. [Distributor] Gem doesn’t have any info and nothing is feeding back from Microsoft. We don’t know anything. The new information put to bed the issue of Kinect buying but ‘participating retailers’ could be anyone! If it’s just the big boys, they’ll be no competition. The EU is already on Steam’s back about restrictions and so what happens if Microsoft do it too?
“Microsoft is overcomplicating things. We can’t get the information from Gem or Microsoft and its going to affect us for the next six or seven years. Who knows, Sony could go the same way.”
Don McCabe – Chips
“Microsoft has screwed the launch up big style. It is digging a big hole. It’s the classic dominance leads to arrogance, arrogance leads to fall and the fall leads to a fall in sales and then they listen to consumers and become humble and being humble leads to growth.
“History always repeats itself. Our industry is very cyclic and some haven’t completed that dominance to humble cycle. Look at THQ – it became arrogant, invested in uDraw and it screwed them up. The history of video games is littered with companies that were massive in their day but took a wrong step. EA have gone through the same cycle a few times and now they have become humble again. Look at the Simcity debacle. You’d think Microsoft has looked at all the past mistakes and thought how can we do all of these.
“It’s another case of a manufacturer trying to control the market. Again, it’s a case of more questions than answers and that’s not good in terms of PR. The negatives are what people remember and all retailers are crapping themselves. This is my business, why should you control my business?
“But as retailers we evolve. You can’t say you can’t sell it. You might not be happy about it but you’ve got to evolve with the situation. If it doesn’t sell, you’ll move onto something else.”
Chris Muckell – Xpress Games
“The latest policies do sound like a retailers’ minefield, but that said we don't know yet what support and how low down the chain Microsoft will be supporting with the trading in at Retailers.
“Does ‘retailers’ mean GAME, HMV & Tesco? Or does it mean Xpress Games and all the other indies throughout the country? We’ve not been briefed on anything yet, so it’s hard to give a good honest judgment until we’ve heard from the horses mouth how/if Microsoft will be working with indie retailers.
“In a nutshell it just sounds over complicated for a consumer. There are too many rules, overcomplicating something that should be a simple process simply just to syphon out a few pounds of pre-owned revenue for the publisher/Microsoft.
“This is going to be a minefield for all retailers to one extent or another. Imagine the fun with customer returns/unwanted gifts. It will be an interested 12 months ahead. Let’s see what Sony have to say.”
Robert Lindsay – Games Centre
“Yet again it feels like Microsoft and publishers are still testing the water to see how far they can take this without causing a consumer revolt.
“In the good times a few years ago when revenue was healthy no one really mentioned the pre-owned market. Now that all publishers are feeling the squeeze they are grasping for any short-term solution they can find. If they do implement this there will be no winners and it's clear that customers are completely against this system.
Bryan Grieve – Videogaming 24/7
“It’s not very good, but it’s better than what it was first sounding like. Its biggest impact is on new games. Staff are going to need to know about the games and I cant buy a copy several copies to give to the staff. The new lending policies mean that I can’t pass one copy around to my staff and people cant lend copies to friends. It’s going to damage sales of new releases.
“But the possibility of having to register as a retailer is going to be a positive. It will help us because it means retailers may have to register to become a part of it, meaning the market stalls that sell games cheaply and don’t pay rent can’t stock games as they won’t be able to register as a retailer.
“I can’t see ‘registered retailers’ meaning just the big stores because, on the whole, publishers try and help indies. I go to a lot Namco Bandai events and they try to help us. There are a lot of us indies in the UK and across the world, so Microsoft won’t want to ignore us.
“But we still don’t know what publishers will charge for games and play pre-owned games and that’s an issue.”
Tony Porter – Games N More
“It’s pure arrogance. Microsoft is beyond arrogant. It’s becoming like a task on The Apprentice where they just haven’t got a clue. To think every Xbox One owner will have a broadband connection – it’s unbelievable. Internet is cut off for loads of reasons – faulty connections, people not paying bills on time – it happens.
“The trade-ins for participating retailers sounds like it’s for larger retailers that have got the money.
“I don’t see the point of stocking Xbox One at the minute and customers are saying that even though they had the Xbox and the Xbox 360, they will go for the PS4 as it’s a gamer’s console, not a entertainment system. What the hell are they doing? Not everyone has internet. Some just want the game and not to play online. Those people are being ignored by Microsoft.”
Julian Slater – Bits N Pieces
“It’s all still too vague. The pre-owned thing is fair enough but I can see EA charging a fortune. Always on is a massive blow. So many customers don’t have online or play Xbox Live. People are not that loyal to a particular console that they won’t switch to PS4.
“Participating retailers? I don’t know. Will participating retailers just have to sign up to a Microsoft website and pay a fee? Either that or it means Microsoft will sign a deal with the big retailers. But it sounds a fee based system and if so, that’s absolutely fine as it makes trade-ins last longer.
“If PS4 is a games console but Xbox needs to put more emphasis on the game side because it will turn people away. People already have laptops and smart TVs so we already have ‘entertainment systems’.
Pretty good comments.