THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Himu on June 10, 2013, 10:45:07 PM

Title: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 10, 2013, 10:45:07 PM
SONY WON. BUYING ONE AT LAUNCH.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 10, 2013, 10:46:55 PM
 :noah :noah :noah
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: cool breeze on June 10, 2013, 10:55:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

cruel
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: mjemirzian on June 10, 2013, 10:58:20 PM
lol Sony running with it. I guess paid multi is the tradeoff?

I'm still not convinced about EA adding DRM to its own games.

Good first step for Sony to come out against always online DRM at least.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: magus on June 10, 2013, 11:00:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

cruel

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: MCD on June 10, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Yeah, this is how gaming should be.

Fucking ms is in deep shit right now with multi games requiring no fucking DRM on ps4
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: Atramental on June 10, 2013, 11:01:48 PM
:obama
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2013, 11:02:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypot3CYECwE
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: Diunx on June 10, 2013, 11:02:57 PM
:bow, wait what is that about paid online?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 10, 2013, 11:04:51 PM
399
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 10, 2013, 11:06:12 PM
HOLY SHIT
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 10, 2013, 11:06:42 PM
that youtube video

jeezy
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Lucretius on June 10, 2013, 11:06:50 PM
It's like Sony just gave the gaming community a giant hug and said, "It's all going to be alright!"
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 10, 2013, 11:06:53 PM
Sony brought all the guns to E3. GODDAMN. Said everything I wanted to hear.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: Baiano19 on June 10, 2013, 11:07:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

cruel

holy fuck!
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: archie4208 on June 10, 2013, 11:07:18 PM
The only blunder was PS+ being required for online play.

No clue what Sony was thinking, especially since they could add the cloud streaming features as a future bullet point.

Otherwise, yeah, Sony killed it this evening.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 10, 2013, 11:09:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hsKaEun.jpg)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: tiesto on June 10, 2013, 11:09:34 PM
Buying it the day FFXV comes out.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: mjemirzian on June 10, 2013, 11:09:55 PM
The only blunder was PS+ being required for online play.
It's the "online pass" for all multiplayer content. Tradeoff for offline single player games.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 10, 2013, 11:11:01 PM
they should broadcast the shit out of that video.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Hock on June 10, 2013, 11:12:23 PM
paying for online is still bullshit, but since xbone is gonna have that too PS4 definitely looks like the better choice overall.....


as long as you ignore the PC

Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: maxy on June 10, 2013, 11:13:06 PM
This will be certainly fun to watch.So they are really blocking publishers from using DRM?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 10, 2013, 11:13:41 PM
I'm hoping, beyond reason of course, that basic multi is free, but you gotta pay to use voice and so on. doubt it, though.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 10, 2013, 11:14:23 PM
Buying it the day FFXV comes out.

Buying it the day RANDOMGUNDAMGAME comes out.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Please be region free.
[close]
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Vizzys on June 10, 2013, 11:16:18 PM
I'm hoping, beyond reason of course, that basic multi is free, but you gotta pay to use voice and so on. doubt it, though.

(http://i.imgur.com/OdLL0u4.jpg)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 10, 2013, 11:16:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4rHdrUG.png)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shaka Khan on June 10, 2013, 11:16:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

cruel

Wow.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 10, 2013, 11:18:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

cruel


 :gladbron


I thought you guys meant like some youtuber made a used games vid.  This is hilarious. :lol 

Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Lucretius on June 10, 2013, 11:18:47 PM
I just preordered PS4 from Amazon.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shaka Khan on June 10, 2013, 11:19:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/81EhSgJ.jpg)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Sho Nuff on June 10, 2013, 11:23:11 PM
There ain't no truce you're the only one
One world one love but the battle goes on
Shadows of MASS DESTRUCTION
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Snuflupagulus on June 10, 2013, 11:24:04 PM
Oh that sweet, sweet sharing.

 :dead

But I'll never, ever share. ick.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Diunx on June 10, 2013, 11:26:09 PM
lol that's what the ps4 looks like? can't wait to get home and watch the conference, can someone post a link to an archived stream on this thread?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2013, 11:27:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRvAAYjmqkE
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 10, 2013, 11:29:30 PM
Yeah, the last few minutes were brutal, but I still feel like there's some dodging going on
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 10, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
Yeah, the last few minutes were brutal, but I still feel like there's some dodging going on

They kept saying that THEY won't be imposing any of these features. Does that mean the publishers still can?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: hampster on June 10, 2013, 11:32:26 PM
What game are they sharing in that video?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2013, 11:34:11 PM
Microsoft is probably just happy Sony waited until after the markets closed to have their conference.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 10, 2013, 11:36:18 PM
What game are they sharing in that video?

Killzone.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Diunx on June 10, 2013, 11:36:27 PM
where is sony's cock I want to suck it!!!!
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 10, 2013, 11:36:32 PM
Yeah, the last few minutes were brutal, but I still feel like there's some dodging going on

They kept saying that THEY won't be imposing any of these features. Does that mean the publishers still can?

That's what I was thinking, yeah
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: helios on June 10, 2013, 11:38:30 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iNBWN3xpSLliX.gif)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 10, 2013, 11:39:22 PM
There might be a clusterfuck situation where some add the DRM, some don't.  then it'll be a fight against pubs.  what a headache.  but hey, at least it's not system level. 

We are still just celebrating that Sony is closest to the status quo :lol    and priced reasonably of course
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 10, 2013, 11:39:36 PM
SONY WON. BUYING ONE AT LAUNCH.
Me, too, but why is GameStop forcing a bundle with NBA Live 14? Can I swap that out for NBA 2K14?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Diunx on June 10, 2013, 11:39:56 PM
I just realized, the only EA game I have ever bought is fucking URBZ and have never purchased anything from activision or Ubisoft, so unless some of the smaller western publishers and some japanese companies decide to be dicks, the drm shit won't affect me in the least.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 10, 2013, 11:40:22 PM
Yeah, the last few minutes were brutal, but I still feel like there's some dodging going on

The greatest dodge is that they get to let MS test the waters doing everything they wanted to try but didn't have the balls for and come the generation after will adopt DRM and no used games because MS will do just fine regardless of internet bitching, and by the gen after it will just be standard stuff everyone is use to; like paying for online multiplayer.   
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 10, 2013, 11:41:17 PM
Xbox One preorder cancelled, will buy when MS drops the DRM crap.

Let's see, PS4 with Need for Speed Rivals, I think DriveClub is a PSPlus freebie... hm... what else...
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2013, 11:42:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRvAAYjmqkE
:rofl perfect choice

That's the Xbox 360 on the funeral pyre. He didn't deserve such a sad fate. :'(
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 10, 2013, 11:46:59 PM
Is there any other place where I can preorder a PS4 without having my credit card charged until it's shipped?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shadow Mod on June 10, 2013, 11:48:12 PM
Yup.

MS thought they could sell everyone bullshit. Sony said I'll see your bullshit and sell them a console.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shaka Khan on June 10, 2013, 11:48:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vLNmkwF.png)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Bildi on June 10, 2013, 11:49:42 PM
Just found out the news.  :elephant

Going from playing Xbox almost exclusively for two gens to probably buying a PS4 at launch and never buying an Xbone.  Nice job MS. :lol
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Post by: Shadow Mod on June 10, 2013, 11:50:21 PM
Just found out the news.  :elephant

Going from playing Xbox almost exclusively for two gens to probably buying a PS4 at launch and never buying an Xbone.  Nice job MS. :lol

Same here for even longer. MS really fucked the pooch.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 10, 2013, 11:52:01 PM
Yeah, the last few minutes were brutal, but I still feel like there's some dodging going on

The greatest dodge is that they get to let MS test the waters doing everything they wanted to try but didn't have the balls for and come the generation after will adopt DRM and no used games because MS will do just fine regardless of internet bitching, and by the gen after it will just be standard stuff everyone is use to; like paying for online multiplayer.   

Nah, you'd have to be pretty damned out of touch to think MS is going to do just fine, now.  They're fucked.

MS fucks up all the time.  The first xbox was super expensive as well with a quick price drop.  360 had a recall and a shitton of console deaths.  They will though money at the problem like always.  Remember MS has been gunning for the living room experience for a long time, it not here yet but they are getting closer, and they will just wait it out. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 10, 2013, 11:54:59 PM
The company will of course be fine, but the Xbox One is going to be a huge disaster.  They just got Saturned right in the nuts.
They better do something about the DRM, and now.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 10, 2013, 11:56:17 PM
The company will of course be fine, but the Xbox One is going to be a huge disaster.  They just got Saturned right in the nuts.

No.  These issues are things money can fix.  They won't be 360 strong but still more competitive than xbox/ps2. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 10, 2013, 11:59:05 PM
Just remember, Sony says and shows a lot of things. Jack Tretton was all about some PS3 game sharing early on.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 10, 2013, 11:59:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to revise some of their policies. One of their recently released statements, clearly motivated by then creeping panic, stated they're subject to change in order to adapt to the market.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 12:01:38 AM
Pre-ordered. #1 at my local GameStop. They had a line of people waiting as well.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 11, 2013, 12:02:18 AM
Just remember, Sony says and shows a lot of things. Jack Tretton was all about some PS3 game sharing early on.

The only thing that concerns me after those ballsy statements and videos is that there's no coming back from this. If they hasn't so much as fine print regarding used games and DRM they will be gutted.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Purple Filth on June 11, 2013, 12:04:13 AM
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/130611a_e.pdf

PR + SKU info out

HDD: 500GB

Includes a HDMI cable, Headset

Camera sold separately for $59.



new ad "Greatness Awaits"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdW1OuZ1U0
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shaka Khan on June 11, 2013, 12:05:32 AM
So even if they packed the camera it would have been cheaper? Not bad.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 12:05:53 AM
Can I replace the PS4's hard drive like I can with the PS3?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 11, 2013, 12:06:02 AM
Just remember, Sony says and shows a lot of things. Jack Tretton was all about some PS3 game sharing early on.

The only thing that concerns me after those ballsy statements and videos is that there's no coming back from this. If they hasn't so much as fine print regarding used games and DRM they will be gutted.

I think the fine print is THEY'RE not gonna require online DRM. They certainly won't stop publishers from requiring it.
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Post by: maxy on June 11, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to revise some of their policies. One of their recently released statements, clearly motivated by then creeping panic, stated they're subject to change in order to adapt to the market.
Publisher choice?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 12:07:32 AM
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/130611a_e.pdf

PR + SKU info out

HDD: 500GB

Includes a HDMI cable, Headset

Camera sold separately for $59.



new ad "Greatness Awaits"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdW1OuZ1U0

Surprised they didn't make a "No camera watching you" comment.

 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 12:18:52 AM
HDMI only (w/optical audio).  Didn't someone here have a problem with that on the Xbox One?

I thought the AUX port was for it, but according to the doc it's for the camera.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: helios on June 11, 2013, 12:19:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/NlVc6U3.jpg)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 12:21:27 AM
HDMI only (w/optical audio).  Didn't someone here have a problem with that on the Xbox One?

I thought the AUX port was for it, but according to the doc it's for the camera.


i use component with my ps3 and i'm sure a lot of the world uses A/V

but I got told "it's 2013" *shrug*
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 12:24:43 AM
Holy shit xbox is dead
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 12:25:23 AM
Xbox One being renamed to 3DO.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Raban on June 11, 2013, 12:27:23 AM
img
man, seeing them right next to each other shows you how insanely similar they look. I didn't know which was which at first.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 12:30:19 AM
The ps3 is the one that is 399.  If I could cap lock numbers I would.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Purple Filth on June 11, 2013, 12:30:41 AM
They're making some pretty clear statements that would be hard to worm around with regards to whether or not publishers can use DRM.  I mean, I'm sure they can do it like Capcom did on PS3 if they want, but if they do it, they'll be going against the message.

they have done that before and Tretton is usually the suspect but with House, Yoshida, etc also along with the ride a switch would look really fucked up  :lol


We'll see though.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 11, 2013, 12:31:05 AM
Still not fully buying it. It's healthy to be a skeptic. Once upon a time I could activate five PS3s.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 12:32:01 AM
microsoft has quite the hole to dig themselves out of, both in production and perception. and I thought the ps3 was bad, with it's $100 premium, but that could be bulletpointed with free online, wifi, etc. what does microsoft have, exactly?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 12:32:59 AM
(http://i.minus.com/inJLfoJps5OX3.gif)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Huff on June 11, 2013, 12:33:03 AM
Still not fully buying it. It's healthy to be a skeptic. Once upon a time I could activate five PS3s.

Granted, things could always change, especially with Sony, but at launch, I think this thing is going to be what it looks like.

little strange seeing you being optimistic
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Purple Filth on June 11, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
Still not fully buying it. It's healthy to be a skeptic. Once upon a time I could activate five PS3s.

plus install Linux  :P

so yea its gonna be mighty interesting to see if they keep the course
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 12:33:17 AM
Allright, ordered this bundle, (https://www.gamestop.com/ps4/consoles/playstation-4-killzone-4-bundle/110022) with Killzone and an extra gamepad, and added Need for Speed Rivals. I'm a PSPlus member in good standing, so I'll nab DriveClub for free. I'm set now.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 12:34:37 AM
They didn't make me do a bundle in-store. In fact, they couldn't even pre-order games yet. Just put the deposit down on the system and will get it all paid off next month. Then I'll pre-order BF4, AC4, and maybe Knack.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shaka Khan on June 11, 2013, 12:35:29 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to revise some of their policies. One of their recently released statements, clearly motivated by then creeping panic, stated they're subject to change in order to adapt to the market.
Publisher choice?

I'm not sure if this was clear from my post, but I was referring to MS. Though the same can be true for both I guess.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shaka Khan on June 11, 2013, 12:36:21 AM
Pacthter splooging:

Michael Pachter ‏@michaelpachter 1h
#PS4 $399--GENIUS.  Microsoft messed up on this one, Sony seized the opportunity. €399 and £329. Talked about consumer trust. Well played
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 12:37:53 AM
He predicted it on GT right before the conference, so that's his victory lap.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 12:41:37 AM
The bigger insult is now the Wii U

how the fuck is it 350 bucks
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 12:42:40 AM
I cant believe its cheaper and more powerfull

Such brutal murder, i dont think ms saw this coming
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 12:43:37 AM
He predicted it on GT right before the conference, so that's his victory lap.

yup. I was laughing at him on twitter when he first said it, calling him the gaming Dick Morris. Welp, he was right.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 11, 2013, 12:43:40 AM
The bigger insult is now the Wii U

how the fuck is it 350 bucks

They better announce a price drop or they're more fucked than they already are.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 12:44:53 AM
It won't be for long.  Hopium in me says 250 announcement tomorrow, with game downloads for people how payed 350 for the pos.  The Nintendo realist in me says 300 for the good sku, no more shitty sku, and a non-gameplay trailer of smash bros for your pleasure. 
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Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 12:46:07 AM
They didn't make me do a bundle in-store. In fact, they couldn't even pre-order games yet. Just put the deposit down on the system and will get it all paid off next month. Then I'll pre-order BF4, AC4, and maybe Knack.
GameStop is requiring bundles, Amazon isn't, but I was unsure if Amazon charges the credit card before shipping or not.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Raban on June 11, 2013, 12:46:58 AM
you probably found out already, but they don't
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 12:47:35 AM
you probably found out already, but they don't
Oh... switching now, then... Amazon doesn't charge tax, anyways...
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 12:49:33 AM
I still buy Nintendo for derp Nintendo games but they better bring the thunder this time.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 12:52:13 AM
It won't be for long.  Hopium in me says 250 announcement tomorrow, with game downloads for people how payed 350 for the pos.  The Nintendo realist in me says 300 for the good sku, no more shitty sku, and a non-gameplay trailer of smash bros for your pleasure.

$300 sounds more likely than $250; a $250 cut would be the ultimate white flag, but then again after tonight who knows.

All they had to do was release a semi decent system, with a free XBL-esque rip off online system and an expansive Virtual Console. That's it. And they fucked it up.

PS4 is going to cake. Predictions of the next gen's demise were greatly exaggerated.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 11, 2013, 12:54:22 AM
The Wii U was $239 at Target last week
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 12:56:51 AM
The problem is they have nothing up the pipe for next year.  They delayed pikmem to cover this winter but they have fuck all.  How can they not only convince people to pay 300 for old tech but also 300 for old tech that doesn't have any games?

Sony really got themselves into a nice spot to fight both fronts and I'm sure Nintendo was betting on a 500 ps4. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Raban on June 11, 2013, 01:00:23 AM
No matter what Nintendo does, PS4 will decimate the WiiU. Even if Nintendo rolls out the bigguns for the rest of the year, their in-house teams can't release games at the same pace that PS4 is sure to have thanks to its full third-party support.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: maxy on June 11, 2013, 01:02:25 AM
Quote
PS4 is going to cake. Predictions of the next gen's demise were greatly exaggerated.

I don't see how anything announced at this E3 will help the industry.It's the same old shit that we had for the past 7 years + online paywall for Sony.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shaka Khan on June 11, 2013, 01:04:08 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Oqg5ia5.png)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Raban on June 11, 2013, 01:04:36 AM
GAF, always banning the funny people
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 01:06:23 AM
No matter what Nintendo does, PS4 will decimate the WiiU. Even if Nintendo rolls out the bigguns for the rest of the year, their in-house teams can't release games at the same pace that PS4 is sure to have thanks to its full third-party support.

I'm not sure its even about trying to compete at this point.  Its trying to keep this thing alive for the three years it takes to get a new one out. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Raban on June 11, 2013, 01:07:11 AM
Three years is pushing it.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: helios on June 11, 2013, 01:07:47 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iQNHci9p4fFT3.gif)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 01:09:43 AM
Okay, let me try this again. Preordered on Amazon a PS4, Need for Speed Rivals, Madden, and an extra game pad.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: etiolate on June 11, 2013, 01:16:35 AM
dudebros will still buy a xbone while having no clue about the anti-consumer stuff
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 01:21:33 AM
dudebros will still buy a xbone while having no clue about the anti-consumer stuff

uhm no
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:28:10 AM
(http://i.minus.com/inJLfoJps5OX3.gif)

damnnn all i'm looking at is below the waist line
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 11, 2013, 01:36:58 AM
dudebros will still buy a xbone while having no clue about the anti-consumer stuff

Assuming there's no catch with PS4 promise, I don't know about that. Game stores are going to push the system that doesn't take a cut of their used game profits, and there's way less hassle involved for the user. MS avoided any mention of that stuff at their conference, while Sony made it a point of attack and discussion. Now it's gonna make the news. Word will get around that Xbone One is the system to avoid.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Snuflupagulus on June 11, 2013, 01:38:55 AM
Self-publishing. Oh lawdy, give me all those twee indie games. All over.

:aah

Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Raban on June 11, 2013, 01:42:26 AM
(http://i.minus.com/inJLfoJps5OX3.gif)

damnnn all i'm looking at is below the waist line
ikr? that's a mandingo I can get behin-I mean in front of :drool
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 01:43:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIFrTNfgN5o


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
:what :dayum :anhuld :picard :yeshrug :mynicca
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Bebpo on June 11, 2013, 01:53:05 AM
Missed the conference, saw the news in this thread, gonna catch up on the software announcements/vids.

But man,

$399 for most powerful console, no drm bullshit, 500gig HDD and it EVEN COMES WITH AN HDMI CABLE (no nickle diming crap)

wow, I never would have guessed that from Sony.  Thank god for the $599 humbling they got last time.  It's given us the best damn deal for a launch system in a while.


Now the only question is if Region free.  If it has that, I'm gonna be dancing a fire.


Also did they announce a release date?  My Amazon pre-order says Dec 31st, 2013 which is obviously placeholder.  I'm a little worried about Xbone beating them to the punch for the holiday season since that's about Xbone's only chance to get ahead for the first six months.  Plus I thought PS4 was further along in production, so hoping it's an early November date as well.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Bebpo on June 11, 2013, 02:01:45 AM
Oh shit.  AWESOME :rock


I don't even mind PS+ requirement since I've been paying for it the last 2 years and between discounts and free games it's been at least worth $50-60 a year.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 02:40:31 AM
Guys xbone will still will in the us and uk cause of dudebros i just read this on gaf

Just like ps3 won coming off the best selling console of all time all that brand loyalty
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shaka Khan on June 11, 2013, 02:42:01 AM
I overlooked this trailer/demo showcasing the UI at the end of the conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew&t=161m10s
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Purple Filth on June 11, 2013, 02:47:45 AM
I overlooked this trailer/demo showcasing the UI at the end of the conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew&t=161m10s

wow I missed that.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 02:48:06 AM
PS4 is region free?! Sweet mother.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Shadow Mod on June 11, 2013, 02:50:57 AM
I overlooked this trailer/demo showcasing the UI at the end of the conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew&t=161m10s

Not a fan of what I saw but I'll have to see it further in depth. Not a fan of hiding the shit I want to do and making everything else HUGE BOXES.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 02:52:16 AM
I overlooked this trailer/demo showcasing the UI at the end of the conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew&t=161m10s

Cleannnn.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Momo on June 11, 2013, 03:06:32 AM
Add "No region lock" to that list of wins. 
:rejoice
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 11, 2013, 03:15:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

cruel

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: maxy on June 11, 2013, 03:25:49 AM
Xbone allows the same.

Missed opportunity by Sony here.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 03:38:50 AM
Major Nelson: We are listening
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 11, 2013, 04:13:26 AM
call an ambulance. microsoft is down.

wii u wii u wii u wii u
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: mjemirzian on June 11, 2013, 04:22:52 AM
Region free? Sheesh, it's like Sony really wants me to buy their console.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 11, 2013, 04:56:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Hsb8qEq.gif)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 11, 2013, 04:56:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/jgfmJoj.jpg)
 :dead
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: radioheadrule83 on June 11, 2013, 06:21:20 AM
I made something

GOT Spoilers, technically

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.minus.com/iZZ3UXohjgH49.gif)
[close]
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 11, 2013, 06:31:03 AM
Microsoft dun goofd.

You'd have to really fucking love Halo to bother with an Xbox One at this point.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 06:46:59 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/11/4418144/xbox-one-launch-in-asia-late-2014

This shit is truly dead holy fuck
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 06:48:11 AM
 :dead
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Rufus on June 11, 2013, 06:57:08 AM
BITCHEEEEEEEEES, WHOOOOOOOOO!

OK, so where's TLG?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: archie4208 on June 11, 2013, 07:16:48 AM
aw man, i clicked over to a francis video where he's breaking kayfabe.  i'll never be able to properly enjoy him again.

If anything, that made me enjoy him more.

That Draw My Life video...  :fbm
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: chronovore on June 11, 2013, 08:15:04 AM
little strange seeing you being optimistic

it's a little strange having something to be optimistic about in this industry

It's interesting, hearing about all the cheering and love -- but Sony's just basically saying they're not taking away something we have right now. It's not like they're offering a second helping of desert.

Still, wild to think, if I continue being a console gamer next gen, it will likely be back to PlayStation for me.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY
Post by: Lucretius on June 11, 2013, 08:35:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj3LIH-DqM

Someone needs to put Jack Tretton's face on Lady Liberty in that video!
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 08:53:31 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/11/4418144/xbox-one-launch-in-asia-late-2014

This shit is truly dead holy fuck
so they're just giving asia to sony, no fight? welp

srs, what happened here?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Tasty on June 11, 2013, 08:54:39 AM
Looks like I voted for the right one in the E3 winners thread.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 09:00:47 AM
I overlooked this trailer/demo showcasing the UI at the end of the conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew&t=161m10s

Will can't figure out how to press jump twice, so he watches Sarah's play session.  Then his friend convinces him to buy Killzone by simply mentioning its existence--and he buys it without trying the demo first.  Will plays what seems to be the same level of Knack for hours until Killzone downloads, jumps in the game, and needs help on how to shoot.  Hell, even Sarah buys Killzone 4 after watching a 15 second clip, and she's smart enough to play Knack.


(separate downloads for single and multiplayer is cool.  steam sometimes does that.  great even if you just don't want the multiplayer wasting space on the hdd.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: maxy on June 11, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/11/4418144/xbox-one-launch-in-asia-late-2014

This shit is truly dead holy fuck
so they're just giving asia to sony, no fight? welp

srs, what happened here?
See sales numbers,see some Oscar post.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Purple Filth on June 11, 2013, 09:30:27 AM
I overlooked this trailer/demo showcasing the UI at the end of the conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew&t=161m10s

Will can't figure out how to press jump twice, so he watches Sarah's play session.  Then his friend convinces him to buy Killzone by simply mentioning its existence--and he buys it without trying the demo first.  Will plays what seems to be the same level of Knack for hours until Killzone downloads, jumps in the game, and needs help on how to shoot.  Hell, even Sarah buys Killzone 4 after watching a 15 second clip, and she's smart enough to play Knack.


(separate downloads for single and multiplayer is cool.  steam sometimes does that.  great even if you just don't want the multiplayer wasting space on the hdd.

Don't forget about the seemingly budding romance   :lol
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eric P on June 11, 2013, 09:31:13 AM
pre-ordered a ps4 through amazon.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 11, 2013, 09:33:39 AM
dudebros will still buy a xbone while having no clue about the anti-consumer stuff

uhm no

Dude bros I have seen IRL are loving the TV and voice control shit and know nothing about the drm
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 09:34:59 AM
i'm watching ps4 conference

shit is terrible

ms fucked them hard in terms of gaming
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Beezy on June 11, 2013, 09:44:10 AM
i'm watching ps4 conference

shit is terrible

ms fucked them hard in terms of gaming
They really did. That's why it's such a shame that they fumbled everything else.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 09:46:54 AM
Yup, I mentioned that. The MS conf was really good, its just overshadowed by the horrendous decisions they made in other avenues.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 09:47:51 AM
FF15/Versus looks sick and it ain't exclusive

Ladies and gentlemen, this is how you fuck up a game console: DRM

Presented by Steve Ballmer and Don Mattrick.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
i'm watching ps4 conference

shit is terrible

ms fucked them hard in terms of gaming
They really did. That's why it's such a shame that they fumbled everything else.

Agreed, but thinking about it, Sony's stuff was underwhelming because they were reannouncing games from back in February, and most of those games are coming out at launch.  It was Nintendo-ish how nearsighted the announcements were.  Most games at Microsoft's show were teases for games not coming out until 2014 or later, but that's exciting and lets you know the console has a future (maybe not in this example).  For 2014 there's Infamous, likely in March, and Order ####.  And ain't no one trusting Square to deliver a game.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 10:13:03 AM
how did MS "fuck them hard" in gaming?   

they both sucked and showed nothing that interesting.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 10:25:37 AM
Welp, Sony just said that you can upgrade the hard drive like the PS3. Good, a 750 GB hard drive was the best accessory I got for my PS3.

I'll be getting a 1TB drive with my PS4, there's no such thing as too much hard drive space.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 10:26:27 AM
and apparently it comes with a 500gb one, which is nice. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 10:27:28 AM
Yeah, that's correct, but game installs are going to eat that up pretty quickly.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
X1 supports USB3 external HDDs.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 10:36:40 AM
I'm really hoping DriveClub doesn't suck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXeeDTZg6Tk
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Beezy on June 11, 2013, 10:43:39 AM
X1 supports USB3 external HDDs.
Get out of this thread. :lol
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
I'm a terrible person
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 10:45:28 AM
X1 supports USB3 external HDDs.

welp, ps4 preorder canceled
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 10:46:08 AM
Even Wii U supports that

Lol Mark Cerny
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 10:47:05 AM
.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: mjemirzian on June 11, 2013, 11:07:27 AM
How about an SSD in your PS4? Lots of textures to load into RAM, could improve load times significantly.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 11, 2013, 11:12:16 AM
But SSDs didn't boost loading performance as much as expected for the PS3.

It might depend on how often the blu-ray is used and how much data can be installed. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 11:17:27 AM
people are trying to figure out the size based on the data sheet

(http://i.imgur.com/54MKlnp.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/w6ft5Qp.png)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 11:19:32 AM
There is a huge ass heatsink inside X1 plus drinky's blood

explain the size
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 11, 2013, 11:19:48 AM
How about an SSD in your PS4? Lots of textures to load into RAM, could improve load times significantly.
The bigger SSD drives cost an arm, a leg, and my left testicle, and as mentioned earlier, load times are pretty much the same.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 11:28:48 AM
and what game cases look like

(http://i.imgur.com/40ASqQ8.jpg?1)

blue, like the vita.  bad juju.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 11:41:48 AM
i'm watching ps4 conference

shit is terrible

ms fucked them hard in terms of gaming

Sony had more diverse titles. I stopped paying attention to the Ms conference as it was dudebro shit. How in the world did Ms have better games? Halo? Zzz. Forza? Zzz. KI? Zzz. Ryze? Zzz. Quantic Break? Zzz. That other shit game? Zzz. So you only have that fps whose name I don't remember and Panzer Dragoon. Yay! MGS5 is on ps4. Who cares. Witcher 3 is on PC. Who cares.

On the flip side, Sony showed more variety by way of: indie games, FFXV, KH3, Destiny,etc. I definitely prefer Sony's lineup.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 11:45:32 AM
Destiny is variety? lol.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 11:47:22 AM
How the fuck are any of those dudebro games? How the fuck is that even a criticism?

Sony showed some indie games(oh boy), an embarrassing FF game, a fake looking as fuck KH game, and Destiny. Such a fantastic lineup! Oh and Killzone, but I guess that doesn't get mentioned because it would count as a bro game.

Which bring's up a good point. Destiny isn't a bro game why? It looks basically on the same level of the FPS shown at MS's conference. Oh I know why it's not a bro game, because it wasn't at the MS conference.

But lets forget that MS decided to show a niche as fuck game by Swery. I guess they don't get cool points for that, but I bet if Sony showed it Sony would.

I mean the bias here is incredible.

Sony's big announcement was we don't have drm and the price. The games they showed were pretty underwhelming. Oh here's a new steampunk game WITH GUNS!
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 11:48:12 AM
Destiny is variety? lol.

I didn't say it was. I don't mind shooters if it isn't the only thing shown.

Xbox conf was shit.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
KH3 is the next vaporware by Square. You are too easy, Himu.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 11:50:16 AM
Don't do this to me MCD. Believe. :rejoice

Jrpgs > some shitty revival of a shit 90s fighter and the broification of one of my fave franchises (dead rising) any day. Fuck grim dark bullshit.

:rejoice jrpgs :rejoice
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 11:50:57 AM
KH3 is the next vaporware by Square. You are too easy, Himu.

And even if it does make it out, its still a kingdom hearts game. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 11:52:14 AM
I have a KH shirt. Two in fact.

Don't judge me.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 11:52:45 AM
The MS conference had two FPS.

2=The only thing shown.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 11:52:57 AM
Kingdom Hearts games are more fun than killer fucking instinct.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 11:53:46 AM
The MS conference had two FPS.

2=The only thing shown.

Dead Rising 3 might as well be a shooter. Fuck that game. Pissed me the fuck off.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 11:55:35 AM
Ms defense force is back i see.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
I SAW JRPGS. THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME. I HAVEN'T PLAYED A CONSOLE JRPG IN YEARS. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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Post by: Beezy on June 11, 2013, 11:56:50 AM
KH3 showed nothing and FF15 looked like ass. Plus they'll most likely be on the Xbox One also. Himu is on his shit again.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 11:56:55 AM
The MS conference had two FPS.

2=The only thing shown.

Dead Rising 3 might as well be a shooter. Fuck that game. Pissed me the fuck off.
Why because it's dark and not fanciful like the other ones? Trying to be more serious and Hollywood gaming?

Am I describing FF15?
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Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKABNLQez2E

Here is your wacky indie game of the week. You happy now, himu?

You shouldn't trust indie devs btw.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 11:58:36 AM
The MS conference had two FPS.

2=The only thing shown.

Dead Rising 3 might as well be a shooter. Fuck that game. Pissed me the fuck off.
Why because it's dark and gritty and not fanciful like the other ones?

Am I describing FF15?

FF15 starts with a girl holding the main characters hand and has a scene with a father and son bonding. I don't think you know what grim dark means but that's okay because I've already decided you're a fucking moron anyways.
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Post by: headwalk on June 11, 2013, 12:00:47 PM
i wonder how the reaction would've been if MS didn't set the stage by painting a blackened dystopic landscape?

i mean, some canned footage, some iffy live demos which either stuttered or all out died on stage, a reasonable price point and a mandatory online fee shouldn't have gotten the reaction it did.
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Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 12:01:32 PM
Quote
FF15 starts with a girl holding the main characters hand and has a scene with a father and son bonding.

is this real life
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Post by: Beezy on June 11, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
Quote
FF15 starts with a girl holding the main characters hand and has a scene with a father and son bonding.

is this real life
:lol
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
Himu comes for the handholding but stays for the paternal bonding. 
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 12:03:28 PM
Mcd ms showed no good exclusives,  sony showed mediocre ones, but more of them.

This coupled with everything else means you need to stfu
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 12:05:18 PM
The MS conference had two FPS.

2=The only thing shown.

Dead Rising 3 might as well be a shooter. Fuck that game. Pissed me the fuck off.
Why because it's dark and gritty and not fanciful like the other ones?

Am I describing FF15?

FF15 starts with a girl holding the main characters hand and has a scene with a father and son bonding. I don't think you know what grim dark means but that's okay because I've already decided you're a fucking moron anyways.
At least I can count.

Oh and I'm not a hypocrite. That counts for something.

And I know what a FPS is. Because remember, a game that has a dude doing melee and throwing saws at people in third person might as well count as FPS because someone dosen't like it's tone.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:06:13 PM
The MS conference had two FPS.

2=The only thing shown.

Dead Rising 3 might as well be a shooter. Fuck that game. Pissed me the fuck off.
Why because it's dark and gritty and not fanciful like the other ones?

Am I describing FF15?

FF15 starts with a girl holding the main characters hand and has a scene with a father and son bonding. I don't think you know what grim dark means but that's okay because I've already decided you're a fucking moron anyways.
At least I can count.

Oh and I'm not a hypocrite. That counts for something.

And I know what a FPS is. Because remember, a game that has a dude doing melee and throwing saws at people in third person might as well count as FPS because someone dosen't like it's tone.

You're not a hypocrite? You find MS conference more appealing because they have games that appeal to you. I find Sony conference more appealing because THEY HAVE GAMES THAT APPEAL TO ME.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 12:07:23 PM
So basically you are say, we like different things, why can't we just be friends and hold hands?
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Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
KH3 is the next vaporware by Square. You are too easy, Himu.

And even if it does make it out, its still a kingdom hearts game.


The story of KH3 is that your real life is KH3 and that everything you do is canon
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:08:07 PM
So basically you are say, we like different things, why can't we just be friends and hold hands?

YES
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Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 12:09:07 PM
Dead Rising 2 has a Father taking care of his Daughter who has been bitten by a Zombie, and he frantically finds a cure while clearing his name.

Sounds kind of Grimdark to me, for a funny, zany game.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:09:51 PM
Demi, that is Sy Fy Channel movie levels of dark. And it's not that dark anyways. But when I talk of grim dark, I'm talking about settings.
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Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 12:10:32 PM
OHHHHHHHHHH now there's a difference ;)
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:11:41 PM
You don't think there's a vast difference between DR1/2 and DR3? I guess Resident Evil is grim dark too now because YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON WHO ESCAPED THE MANSION!!!! THERE'S A PART WHERE YOU READ A LETTER OF A GUY TURNING INTO A ZOMBIE. GRIM DARK.
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Post by: Huff on June 11, 2013, 12:12:34 PM
Dudebro is a terrible word that only means "something I don't like" while trying to appear broader. Stop using it
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 12:12:55 PM
Dead Rising 2 has a Father taking care of his Daughter who has been bitten by a Zombie, and he frantically finds a cure while clearing his name.

Sounds kind of Grimdark to me, for a funny, zany game.
yeah but it's hilarious when you stay in the room let the time run down on purpose so she dies.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 11, 2013, 12:13:06 PM
:bow Region-free PS4 :bow2
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Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 12:13:07 PM
You're like a Phoenix Wright caricature. You're freaking out while put on the spot. I got you, Cinderella.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:13:57 PM
catch me on my feet, prince.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 12:21:10 PM
The MS conference had two FPS.

2=The only thing shown.

Dead Rising 3 might as well be a shooter. Fuck that game. Pissed me the fuck off.
Why because it's dark and gritty and not fanciful like the other ones?

Am I describing FF15?

FF15 starts with a girl holding the main characters hand and has a scene with a father and son bonding. I don't think you know what grim dark means but that's okay because I've already decided you're a fucking moron anyways.
At least I can count.

Oh and I'm not a hypocrite. That counts for something.

And I know what a FPS is. Because remember, a game that has a dude doing melee and throwing saws at people in third person might as well count as FPS because someone dosen't like it's tone.

You're not a hypocrite? You find MS conference more appealing because they have games that appeal to you. I find Sony conference more appealing because THEY HAVE GAMES THAT APPEAL TO ME.

Himuro-"MS ONLY SHOWED FPS"

Reality- MS showed like two FPS.

Himuro-"MS was all dudebro games"

Reality-"Battlefield was about the only dudebro game if you want to call it that even though BF is the least dudebro of the two big ones.

Himuro-"Sony showed non dudebro games like Destiny"

Reality-"Yep and? How does that game which took up a huge portion not get labeled dudebro game and TitanFall does. You know the fps with jetpacks and mechs. Also funny, that Sony showed pretty much the same amount of FPS games. They also took the time to show their dark and grity TPS game. Does that make it FPS because somehow Dead Rising 3 is?

And nope I'm not a hypocrite. I'm not the one being obnoxious and yelling about passion in games and being disingenuous about what was at each conference.  I find Sony's press conference more appealing because they had a FF game. But at least MS showed actual games, games that don't fit some stupid dudebro attack because you don't like them.
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Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 12:26:40 PM
 :badass

The pussy slayer has spoken
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 12:27:40 PM
:lol
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:28:15 PM
Ehhhhh. MS showed a bunch of offensive pap. But Sony showed less offensive pap. :yeshrug

Also, MS showed A LOT of gamesthat would appeal to a frathouse: Ryse, Halo, Battlefield, 1886, Dead Rising 3. Almost every single game features guns.

I guess stupid Imsoniac game wasn't a shooter! I was definitely wrong to point out first person shooters at the MS conf. What I really meant was shooters - PERIOD. They even managed to make Dead Rising a shooter.

Whoopee, Rah. You like GUNS! RATATATATATAT.

If you read my irc thoughts on the sony conf, I made fun of them for that too. But you know what Sony had that MS didn't have?

:bow JRPGS :bow2

:rejoice
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 12:28:59 PM
I think both showings were pretty meh. too bad there was a guillotine hanging over microsoft's neck that sony was more than happy to drop.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 12:29:11 PM
Yeah a jrpg that should have been out years ago and one that did'nt look real.
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Post by: Beezy on June 11, 2013, 12:30:10 PM
Nintendo showed the only good jrpg at E3. You getting a Wii U, Himu?
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:30:30 PM
You just said five minutes ago you liked the sony presser more BECAUSE one of those "jrpgs that should have been out years ago".


Nintendo showed the only good jrpg at E3. You getting a Wii U, Himu?

I'll borrow one from a friend.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:35:13 PM
Yeah. 1886 looked like shit.

Let's take an interesting setting for games - the 1800's - AND PUT STEAMPUNK IN IT.

RATATATATATATAT
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Post by: huckleberry on June 11, 2013, 12:36:27 PM
I know this doesn't apply to most of you since you aren't parents or just don't care but has anyone heard if one PS + membership covers all sub accounts for online play?
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Post by: Flannel Boy on June 11, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
You just said five minutes ago you liked the sony presser more BECAUSE one of those "jrpgs that should have been out years ago".


Nintendo showed the only good jrpg at E3. You getting a Wii U, Himu?

I'll borrow one from a friend.
I commend you for having the sense not to buy a Wii-u, but condemn you for maintaining a friendship with a person who owns one.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:37:38 PM
Anybody expecting a plethora of games they want before a console launches is an idiot.

At the point, the PS4 is more powerful, cheaper and apparently less restrictive.

Really, that's all I had to hear. Whatever games they showed were meh, the ones that weren't were icing

Seriously.

I gotta agree.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 12:37:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T5zX2DXDQM
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 12:39:03 PM
People keep saying more powerful but the difference is going to be absolutely negligible. 
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 12:39:05 PM
1886 was at the Sony conf btw, so just end this now.
that was a total boner deflating moment. why can't we just do a period piece with some simple old fantasy horror shit.  >:(
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Post by: huckleberry on June 11, 2013, 12:40:05 PM
People keep saying more powerful but the difference is going to be absolutely negligible.


How do you mean? 3rd party stuff?
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:40:54 PM
People keep saying more powerful but the difference is going to be absolutely negligible.

Isn't ps4 gpu 50% more powerful
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Post by: Flannel Boy on June 11, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
People keep saying more powerful but the difference is going to be absolutely negligible.

Isn't ps4 gpu 50% more powerful
Is it? Then Arvie is saying that the difference between a 4" cock and a 6" cock is negligible.
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Post by: mjemirzian on June 11, 2013, 12:45:21 PM
I'm getting a PS4 expecting some great exclusives down the line - Uncharted, God Of War, etc.

I might even get Watch Dogs for PS4 if it means I don't have to install/create a uplay account. Yeah, it might be less of a hassle to play games on PS4 than on Steam.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 12:46:03 PM
People keep saying more powerful but the difference is going to be absolutely negligible.

Isn't ps4 gpu 50% more powerful
Is it? Then Arvie is saying that the difference between a 4" cock and a 6" cock is negligible.

:lol
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Post by: huckleberry on June 11, 2013, 12:48:10 PM
People keep saying more powerful but the difference is going to be absolutely negligible.

Isn't ps4 gpu 50% more powerful
Is it? Then Arvie is saying that the difference between a 4" cock and a 6" cock is negligible.

I sure hope he is right then  :-\
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 12:51:42 PM
People keep saying more powerful but the difference is going to be absolutely negligible.

Isn't ps4 gpu 50% more powerful

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare

Quote
Ultimately, with both the Xbox One and PS4 having such similar hardware, real-world performance differences will probably come down to how well the consoles make use of those eight CPU cores, GPU offloading, and differences in the memory subsystem. It’s also important to bear in mind that a huge speed-up is available when developing games for a fixed platform with known performance/latency characteristics. Realistically, we wouldn’t be surprised if games on the Xbox 720 and PS4, just like the current generation, look very similar. Likewise, games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.

Yes the PS4 has a much better graphics card than the xbox one.  3rd party games will target the lowest common denominator like always.  Sony exclusives might be the prettiest of the bunch, but remember that large gaps in numbers on graphics cards don't mean large gaps in visial effect. 
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Post by: FStop7 on June 11, 2013, 12:56:35 PM
Yeah. 1886 looked like shit.

Let's take an interesting setting for games - the 1800's - AND PUT STEAMPUNK IN IT.

RATATATATATATAT

That trailer had my fullest attention until they busted out the guns and started shooting zombies.  They lost me instantly.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 11, 2013, 12:56:52 PM
Had there been no DRM nonsense and we were going strictly on quality of games, my level of apathy would be equal for both
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 12:59:12 PM
Ehhhhh. MS showed a bunch of offensive pap. But Sony showed less offensive pap. :yeshrug

Also, MS showed A LOT of gamesthat would appeal to a frathouse: Ryse, Halo, Battlefield, 1886, Dead Rising 3. Almost every single game features guns.

1886 is a PS4 exclusive no?

BF4 is on PS4 too.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:01:29 PM
Yeah, you're right. 1886 is shit, my bad.
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Post by: mjemirzian on June 11, 2013, 01:12:14 PM
Jack Tretton just confirmed on Gametrailers that extra DRM is totally in the hands of the publishers, Sony won't stop them.

In other words, EA can still throw on whatever DRM they want onto their games.

Also confirmed online multiplayer PS+ fee.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 01:13:29 PM
:rofl
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Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 01:13:57 PM
MAXY COME BACK

COME BACK MAXY
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 01:14:31 PM
Jack Tretton just confirmed on Gametrailers that extra DRM is totally in the hands of the publishers, Sony won't stop them.

Also confirmed online multiplayer PS+ fee.
So we expect DRM from basically everyone, all with their separate accounts and log in systems.  That is almost worse.  Hell wasn't piracy this gen very non existent compared to the previous two gens anyways? 
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:16:30 PM
Jack Tretton just confirmed on Gametrailers that extra DRM is totally in the hands of the publishers, Sony won't stop them.

In other words, EA can still throw on whatever DRM they want onto their games.

Also confirmed online multiplayer PS+ fee.

1. That is no different from now. Every pub could hit us with an online pass. Few do.

2. If you DO have used drm in your game you're definitely going up against the message. Which means fewer pubs are likely to do it.

3. Sony didn't build their entire infrastructure around it and required online. So your games will still work 10 years down the line.
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Post by: Tasty on June 11, 2013, 01:17:21 PM
Haha look at Rahx, kissing Satan's ass. But he's right, halfway.  Remember IRC, Himu?  "And in the end, should someone die?"

They both blew in terms of games, with a couple bright spots each peppering the same old shit again.

Wait are you talking about Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 11, 2013, 01:17:27 PM
knew it
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Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Unified DRM vs sign up for EA/ubisoft/activision DRM hahahaha
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 01:18:30 PM
part of me wonders if the backlash against drm means no pub would want to associate themselves with this mess... and even if some of the larger pubs did, I would hope/assume smaller pubs would be against it, but atlus did region lock persona 4...

So basically all this stuff is telling me is to wait a year and see what happens. gg industry.
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Post by: Barry Egan on June 11, 2013, 01:20:06 PM
someone needs to teach Tretton how to drop a mic smh.
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Post by: mjemirzian on June 11, 2013, 01:20:29 PM
You're right, it's no different from PS3.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 01:21:16 PM
Ya I'm waiting a year or two.  The thing is PC gaming seems like its been on the rise thought this whole gen.  My biggest take away has been that this gen is still pretty great and PC gaming is more than adequate for my needs. 
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
part of me wonders if the backlash against drm means no pub would want to associate themselves with this mess... and even if some of the larger pubs did, I would hope/assume smaller pubs would be against it, but atlus did region lock persona 4...

So basically all this stuff is telling me is to wait a year and see what happens. gg industry.

I think that if you do use the drm, you're definitely going up against the general message and few pubs will do it. Just like how only the big pubs require online passes. But it definitely seems a good idea to wait. However, I'm pre-ordering a ps4 out of principle for not being dicks.
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Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
All this is just words, these suits don't even know what's going on either. That's why you all are going to beta test for me while I'm still playing my 360 and PS3 games for the next year.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 11, 2013, 01:22:48 PM
You're right, it's no different from PS3.

oh, but it is

EA/Ubi/Activision etc. aren't gonna have DRM making money for them on one console and not the other, they'll put their own shit on PS4 - whether that's online passes or one-use key codes, it'll be there
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:23:54 PM
You're right, it's no different from PS3.

oh, but it is

EA/Ubi/Activision etc. aren't gonna have DRM making money for them on one console and not the other, they'll put their own shit on PS4 - whether that's online passes or one-use key codes, it'll be there

So no difference then because we currently have online passes right now?

The obvious answer is "don't buy ea/acti/ubi"
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 01:24:16 PM
You're right, it's no different from PS3.

oh, but it is

EA/Ubi/Activision etc. aren't gonna have DRM making money for them on one console and not the other, they'll put their own shit on PS4 - whether that's online passes or one-use key codes, it'll be there
Yep
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Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 01:24:24 PM
Ya I'm waiting a year or two.  The thing is PC gaming seems like its been on the rise thought this whole gen.  My biggest take away has been that this gen is still pretty great and PC gaming is more than adequate for my needs.


yeah, PC gaming pretty much only gets better, where consoles are a crap shoot.   now you can get superior HD console games and emulate everything up to PS2/Wii
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
I'm definitely upgrading my pc.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 01:26:25 PM
Ya I'm waiting a year or two.  The thing is PC gaming seems like its been on the rise thought this whole gen.  My biggest take away has been that this gen is still pretty great and PC gaming is more than adequate for my needs.


yeah, PC gaming pretty much only gets better, where consoles are a crap shoot.   now you can get superior HD console games and emulate everything up to PS2/Wii
I might have to do this too. I just need a controller and a non-ugly case.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 11, 2013, 01:26:44 PM
Really the only games I'll be playing on the PS4 are probably 1st party and downloadable titles. The former won't have any kind of DRM and the latter will be no different than the current setup.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:28:13 PM
PC will be my main AAA and indie system next gen. PS4 will be my Japanese game system for the ones that don't hit pc as well as media box. 3ds will be my alternative gaming system.

pc/ps4/3ds seems like a good combo.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 11, 2013, 01:28:50 PM
Sure, you'll punch in your code on the Origin servers - only instead of just MP it locks up the whole game. You'll have to log in to Origin to play. The next guy will have to buy a new key code to unlock the full game, or the disc will probably be a glorified demo.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 01:30:15 PM
What's Origin?   
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 01:32:17 PM
They just clarified on GT. Third parties can do online passes, etc, but the platform (system) won't restrict anything.

So if EA wants to block used games; they need to bring back the online pass.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 01:33:03 PM
Thats the same as now, or did anyone think Sony would STOP others from doing it?
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 01:34:40 PM
Ya I'm waiting a year or two.  The thing is PC gaming seems like its been on the rise thought this whole gen.  My biggest take away has been that this gen is still pretty great and PC gaming is more than adequate for my needs.

PC gaming has and will continue to have DRM like this.  Ubisoft tried to do always online back in 2009 with single player games.  PC is obviously the best choice, and the deep discounts mitigate these problems, but understand the context.  There's no safe haven.

I'll end up playing most of my games on PC, but those rare weeaboo games that don't come to PC, that's why I want a console.  I don't expect those to use DRM.  Unless they do, and in that case...shit.  Atlus did region lock that one game.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 01:35:40 PM
That was just Europe tho. Since Europe is going to shit and nobody cares, theres no big deal.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:37:06 PM
Yeah, if you're so worried about ANY drm - period - you might as well give up gaming. Common sense says they'll use drm on pc too just like ps4. The difference is ps4 ISN'T BUILT AROUND IT like the xbone. So any ":lol" or "knew it" post sounds pretty fucking stupid. Might as well not game on any platform except 3ds and wii u at that point.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 01:39:24 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out, especially for EA. I don't see Origin as being a huge deal considering most people who buy Madden/BF4/etc play online, but there are obviously a lot of people who will be left out. The huge PR backlash and Sony's entrance into the discussion might change a lot of publisher's views. By next holiday season.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 01:40:27 PM
Ya I'm waiting a year or two.  The thing is PC gaming seems like its been on the rise thought this whole gen.  My biggest take away has been that this gen is still pretty great and PC gaming is more than adequate for my needs.

PC gaming has and will continue to have DRM like this.  Ubisoft tried to do always online back in 2009 with single player games.  PC is obviously the best choice, and the deep discounts mitigate these problems, but understand the context.  There's no safe haven.

I'll end up playing most of my games on PC, but those rare weeaboo games that don't come to PC, that's why I want a console.  I don't expect those to use DRM.  Unless they do, and in that case...shit.  Atlus did region lock that one game.

Ya and I stopped buying Ubi pc games when they did.  Like you said its the price that changes everything.  If I am only paying 7 bucks for a game, they fucking do what they want and I'll live with it.  If they want 75 bucks to throat fuck me, I'm going to bit down.   
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 01:41:15 PM
But the difference between 4" and 6" is neglible. Suck it down Arvie.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: maxy on June 11, 2013, 01:45:43 PM
Thats the same as now, or did anyone think Sony would STOP others from doing it?
Tons of people,apparently.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Vertigo on June 11, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
You're right, it's no different from PS3.

oh, but it is

EA/Ubi/Activision etc. aren't gonna have DRM making money for them on one console and not the other, they'll put their own shit on PS4 - whether that's online passes or one-use key codes, it'll be there

So no difference then because we currently have online passes right now?

The obvious answer is "don't buy ea/acti/ubi"

Easier said than done for millions of gamers.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 01:52:34 PM
I'd say it's getting easier and easier though.

Assassin's Creed is a pretty "wait and see what the suckers who bought this version say about it" game. Same for Watch Dogs, since it's an early next gen Ubi title and they almost never get it right the first time. Ubi will release the occasional good game like every 4 years. In recent times that was Rayman Origins and Farcry 3 and FC3: BD.

All Activison has is Call of Duty, that's worth of note for the most part.

EA has screwed the pooch with many big name franchises recently like NBA Live, SimCity, SSX, Dragon Age 2. That leaves titles like Madden (:zzz unless you're into that) and FIFA (:zzz unless you're into that, which I am) and maybe The Sims if you're into that like I am.

EA/Ubi/Acti rarely release must have titles. Their shit is easy to avoid.

Publishers like 2k, Bethesda, Sega, and Square Enix however.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: frod on June 11, 2013, 01:54:53 PM
the solution with third party DRM is to just wait until it shitbins. For example, if Mirror's Edge 2 has insane DRM I'll wait.

I'd hate to have to do that with the whole console library. Sucks to be in the Xboat.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 01:55:55 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-the-last-guardian-now-on-hiatus-sony-says

SONY 1ST PARTY  :dead
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2013, 01:58:02 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-the-last-guardian-now-on-hiatus-sony-says

SONY 1ST PARTY  :dead

What a shocker.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 01:59:20 PM
mcd, you know that xbox is dead now right? as is windows phone etc?

You better get used to posting about PS4 cause that's the future
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 02:00:38 PM
the solution with third party DRM is to just wait until it shitbins. For example, if Mirror's Edge 2 has insane DRM I'll wait.

I'd hate to have to do that with the whole console library. Sucks to be in the Xboat.

The real solution is just to pirate the PC version to get around the DRM
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: frod on June 11, 2013, 02:01:32 PM
the solution with third party DRM is to just wait until it shitbins. For example, if Mirror's Edge 2 has insane DRM I'll wait.

I'd hate to have to do that with the whole console library. Sucks to be in the Xboat.

The real solution is just to pirate the PC version to get around the DRM

agreed definitely, if it exists.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MCD on June 11, 2013, 02:01:59 PM
I live in the present, euro brother.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 02:02:34 PM
I saw him, in state of shock, white haired and raving, in another thread, blessing his Sony overlords, but he seems to have overcome that.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 02:02:39 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-the-last-guardian-now-on-hiatus-sony-says

SONY 1ST PARTY  :dead

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 02:03:07 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-the-last-guardian-now-on-hiatus-sony-says

SONY 1ST PARTY  :dead
ah man I bought a ps2, ps3, and ps4 for this game  :'(
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: bork on June 11, 2013, 02:04:10 PM
I think that's it- going full-on J-tard now.  360 is going although I'll keep my J360 for Bayonetta and a few other titles. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 02:04:26 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-the-last-guardian-now-on-hiatus-sony-says

SONY 1ST PARTY  :dead
ah man I bought a ps2, ps3, and ps4 for this game  :'(

Why?  Ico was boring, and SoC was a technical disaster.  I like my games to be more than conceptual pieces, thanks. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 02:05:01 PM
I never played ICO or SOC.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 02:05:10 PM
I think that's it- going full-on J-tard now.  360 is going although I'll keep my J360 for Bayonetta and a few other titles.

Dibs, what's on the chopping block
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 02:06:29 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-the-last-guardian-now-on-hiatus-sony-says

SONY 1ST PARTY  :dead
ah man I bought a ps2, ps3, and ps4 for this game  :'(

Why?  Ico was boring, and SoC was a technical disaster.  I like my games to be more than conceptual pieces, thanks.
i was making a joke  :'(

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've never played ico or soc  :sabu
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Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Rufus on June 11, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-the-last-guardian-now-on-hiatus-sony-says

SONY 1ST PARTY  :dead
Fuck's sake!
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 02:09:02 PM
well it should probably be put out to pasture. leaving a pet on life support for this long is cruel IMO.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 02:11:08 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-the-last-guardian-now-on-hiatus-sony-says

SONY 1ST PARTY  :dead
ah man I bought a ps2, ps3, and ps4 for this game  :'(

Why?  Ico was boring, and SoC was a technical disaster.  I like my games to be more than conceptual pieces, thanks.
i was making a joke  :'(

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've never played ico or soc  :sabu
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:lol  Nor did most people who talk about them. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 02:33:41 PM
If the people on Microsoft’s Xbox team thought of their audience as human beings, they would have acknowledged some of the elephants in the room—like the Xbox One’s extraordinarily confusing used-games scheme or the privacy concerns regarding the always-on Kinect camera, which have only become more urgent as the nation realizes how thoroughly we are being surveilled. If they wanted to speak to people, Microsoft’s executives would not have ticked every box on their Buzzword Bingo card twice over. They know this talk of an “entertainment revolution” is bullshit, and we know it’s bullshit. Yet still they make us sit through this inane emperor’s-new-clothes charade, as they talk at length to nobody in particular.
This is how these events are done in the game industry, usually. It’s not like Microsoft is the only console maker that condescends to its players. Sony and Nintendo have done it on a regular basis, too. Sony did it just a few months ago, in fact. But last night, Sony changed the playbook. Its executives went ahead and talked about used games, assuring players that buying, trading, and lending software on the PS4 would be as simple as ever. They showcased a wide variety of games, refusing to pigeonhole their concept of the modern-day player (or the modern-day developer, for that matter). They promised not to make your console “phone home” to a nanny server. And they priced their new machine $100 lower than Microsoft’s.
Yet the substance of Sony’s riposte to Microsoft is almost less important than the fact that they made all these announcements with humor and swagger. It did not feel like Sony was talking past us—this was not a grim parade of humorless suits who were deigning to give us their attention. They made jokes and poked fun. The audience responded. What a difference it makes when you acknowledge the existence of the human beings in the room. Sony’s team spoke to us, and not because a technical glitch forced them into it. I bet Microsoft’s people now wish they had spoken to us when they had the chance.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 02:38:40 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/did-tretton-confirm-drm-on-ps4-after-all-not-quite--256052.phtml

Quote
Stories are circulating about an interview Jack Tretton did today with GameTrailers, in which he allegedly confirmed DRM would be allowed on the PlayStation 4 after all. Most outlets are running with the story of Tretton confirming DRM is "up to third parties," bringing the PS4 more in line with the Xbox One than we thought. However, what Tretton said really didn't deviate from Sony's existing policies.

Basically ... no need to panic yet.

"The DRM decision is going to have to be answered by the third parties, it's not something we're going to control, or dictate, or mandate, or implement," said Tretton, essentially describing the system already in place for the PlayStation 3.

Right now, on the PS3, publishers can choose to input online passes, or could theoretically toss in multiplayer features that require legitimate copies to work. Publishers can also choose whether or not to region-lock their discs -- most choose not to. Tretton is basically confirming all of that is still possible.

The major difference between PS4 and Xbox One, of course, is that Sony hasn't made it easier for corporations to control the behavior of their customers, because the PS4 doesn't tie your copies to your accounts, or initiate checks to scrub traded game data off your system. Basically, Microsoft designed the Xbox One to make it as easy as flipping a switch to eradicate any possibility of sharing your games, while Sony is maintaining its policy of this current generation.

While some outlets are already claiming Sony's gone back on its word, I'm yet to see that. All I see is Sony keeping things how they were, and making it easier for us to identify which individual publishers are going to be total dicks about this. Sony, apparently, won't be one of them -- first party games are said to not use DRM, full stop.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
http://www.gamefront.com/sony-third-party-drm-refers-to-playing-used-games-online-only/

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The Online Pass program for PlayStation first-party games will not continue on PlayStation 4. Similar to PS3, we will not dictate the online used game strategy (the ability to play used games online) of its publishing partners. As announced last night, PS4 will not have any gating restrictions for used disc-based games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 02:49:38 PM
Yup. There is no diff than now.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 02:49:45 PM
Places are really reporting it like he lied?   we've been saying this forever now. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 02:50:37 PM
Yup. There is no diff than now.

SCEA is also stopping their online passes.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 02:51:36 PM
:bow
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 02:53:23 PM
Just put another $100 down on my PS4. Will have it paid in full next month most likely.

Also reserved BF4 and AC4. May get Killzone too, but I don't really want two FPS at launch.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: maxy on June 11, 2013, 02:58:14 PM
Yup. There is no diff than now.

SCEA is also stopping their online passes.
I wonder why...
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: bork on June 11, 2013, 02:59:21 PM
I think that's it- going full-on J-tard now.  360 is going although I'll keep my J360 for Bayonetta and a few other titles.

Dibs, what's on the chopping block

This is still an incomplete list.  Is there really something in here you'd want?

Bayonetta
BioShock
Call Of Duty 4 (PAL, region free)
Call Of Duty Black Ops II
Crackdown (Japanese, region free)
Dance Central 3
Dance Masters
Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen
Dead Or Alive 4
Dead Or Alive 5
Dragon Age Origins Ultimate
Dragon Age II
Gears Of War (Asian, region free)
Gears Of War II (Asian, region free)
Gears Of War 3
Gears Of War Judgment
Halo 3 CE (Japanese, region free)
Halo 3 ODST
Halo Reach
Halo 4
Injustice
KOF XIII
Lollipop Chainsaw
Lost Planet Colonies (Japanese, region free)
Lost Planet 2
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2
Mass Effect (Asian, region free)
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
Mortal Kombat
Otomedius X
Resident Evil 5 (Japanese, region free)
Resident Evil 6
Rumble Roses XX
Saint's Row 2
Saint's Row The Third
Shadows Of The Damned
Sonic Transformed
Soul Calibur IV (Japanese, region free)
Soul Calibur V
Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition SE (Japanese, region free- not released in the States)
Street Fighter X Tekken
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider Legend (Pal, region free)
Tomb Raider Anniversary (Pal, region free)
Tomb Raider Underworld
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3
Velvet Assassin
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 03:10:43 PM
From that list? Not really. lol
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: bork on June 11, 2013, 03:20:39 PM
From that list? Not really. lol

 :lol

Between Amazon and Gamestop it looks like I can get some good credit for all this shit. 
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 11, 2013, 03:21:12 PM
From that list? Not really. lol

 :lol

Between Amazon and Gamestop it looks like I can get some good credit for all this shit.

Trade it in towards a PS4 :smug
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
From that list? Not really. lol

 :lol

Between Amazon and Gamestop it looks like I can get some good credit for all this shit.


I'll give you $10 for UMVC3
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: headwalk on June 11, 2013, 03:24:39 PM
i guess this could lead to a situation where third parties just lock their shit up on PS4 making them worthless to trade in, while on xbox you still get your corporate mandated exchange ration from gamestop.

gotta imagine third parties are rubbing microsoft's balls together like lucky pennies right now. how they got duped in to taking the fall for this shit is beyond me.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 11, 2013, 03:29:05 PM
sell me:

Dance Central 3
Shadows Of The Damned
Street Fighter X Tekken
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3

+ your kinect plz
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 11, 2013, 03:36:27 PM
Yeah, if you're so worried about ANY drm - period - you might as well give up gaming. Common sense says they'll use drm on pc too just like ps4. The difference is ps4 ISN'T BUILT AROUND IT like the xbone. So any ":lol" or "knew it" post sounds pretty fucking stupid. Might as well not game on any platform except 3ds and wii u at that point.

I'm a little tired of your belligerent attitude.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 03:39:16 PM
Really trading in all your 360 stuff?

lol I've also been thinking about doing it.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2013, 03:40:49 PM
Really trading in all your 360 stuff?

lol I've also been thinking about doing it.

Good luck trading in on xdowner
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
Really trading in all your 360 stuff?

lol I've also been thinking about doing it.

if either of you are getting rid of systems and a copy of umvc3, hit me up, i'll entertain offers
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 03:42:22 PM
Yeah, if you're so worried about ANY drm - period - you might as well give up gaming. Common sense says they'll use drm on pc too just like ps4. The difference is ps4 ISN'T BUILT AROUND IT like the xbone. So any ":lol" or "knew it" post sounds pretty fucking stupid. Might as well not game on any platform except 3ds and wii u at that point.

I'm a little tired of your belligerent attitude.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's the Estrogen
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Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 11, 2013, 03:46:33 PM
It's tiresome to read. Everything has to be an argument or a battle or an insult, nothing can ever be just be a simple discussion.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 03:49:21 PM
Tensions are high during E3, it will die down once everyone's pussy is done being flared up.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JQwX4B5.png)
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: demi on June 11, 2013, 03:51:38 PM
:lebronjameswidemouth
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 03:52:11 PM
Yeah, if you're so worried about ANY drm - period - you might as well give up gaming. Common sense says they'll use drm on pc too just like ps4. The difference is ps4 ISN'T BUILT AROUND IT like the xbone. So any ":lol" or "knew it" post sounds pretty fucking stupid. Might as well not game on any platform except 3ds and wii u at that point.

I'm a little tired of your belligerent attitude.

You've been playing the straight man on ps4 drm for weeks. We get good news and you have to bite harder and be pessimistic towards something that is obvious. Sorry.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: treythemovie on June 11, 2013, 04:02:48 PM
Unlike Microsoft, Sony actually has to focus for the entire world so I'm expecting more announcements at Gamescom and TGS. So all the fanboy "Sony announced less exclusives!?" talk is pretty stupid. Also I wouldn't be shocked if they teased Uncharted 4 at launch or the VGAs.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: bork on June 11, 2013, 04:16:59 PM
From that list? Not really. lol

 :lol

Between Amazon and Gamestop it looks like I can get some good credit for all this shit.

Trade it in towards a PS4 :smug

I might, but will probably use it all towards buying upcoming releases and PS3/PC versions of a few more games.  Not gonna re-buy stuff I'm never gonna play again like Tomb Raider (at least not on consoles- why the hell did I not get a decent gaming PC earlier than a few weeks ago?  :dizzy  PC game sales are fuckin' amazing. ) though.  Just the few titles I'd replay or never finished and want to go back through.

Really trading in all your 360 stuff?

lol I've also been thinking about doing it.

Yeah, I think it's time to get rid of it while I can still get something for it.  PS3 is the keeper system for me at this point.
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Post by: magus on June 11, 2013, 04:22:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JQwX4B5.png)

:donkeyse
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Post by: Rman on June 11, 2013, 04:44:09 PM
Any Vita stuff?
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Post by: archnemesis on June 11, 2013, 04:46:34 PM
No, nothing exciting. These games were shown during the conference.

Quote
Vita
• Batman: Arkham Origins
• Counterspy
• Destiny of Spirits
• Doki-Doki Universe
• Killzone: Mercenary
• Tearaway
• God of War 1 & 2
• Final Fantasy X & X-2
• Flower
• Dead Nation
• The Walking Dead: Season 2 - 400 days
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 04:52:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/uh0VPne.jpg)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 05:07:16 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iLFFqpZxPbqPs.gif)
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 11, 2013, 05:09:16 PM
Wario64 ‏@Wario64 8m
Craploads of EA's online passes went free today on PSN
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Post by: Tasty on June 11, 2013, 05:18:49 PM
No, nothing exciting. These games were shown during the conference.

Quote
Vita
• Batman: Arkham Origins
• Counterspy
• Destiny of Spirits
• Doki-Doki Universe
• Killzone: Mercenary
• Tearaway
• God of War 1 & 2
• Final Fantasy X & X-2
• Flower
• Dead Nation
• The Walking Dead: Season 2 - 400 days

At least Vita's not getting the deformed step brother of Arkham Origins, Blackgate.
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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 11, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
wait Vita is getting the full proper batman game?
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Post by: archnemesis on June 11, 2013, 05:34:53 PM
No, I think it's a sidescrolling game with the exact same name. There is also a third version for the 3DS.

Edit: Blackgate is the name of the 3DS version as Andrex mentioned.
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Post by: Purple Filth on June 11, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
No, I think it's a sidescrolling game with the exact same name. There is also a third version for the 3DS.

Edit: Blackgate is the name of the 3DS version as Andrex mentioned.

Huh I thought 3ds and Vita was getting the sidescrolling one and that was called Blackgate  ???
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Post by: parallax on June 11, 2013, 05:45:21 PM
No, nothing exciting. These games were shown during the conference.

Quote
Vita
• Batman: Arkham Origins
• Counterspy
• Destiny of Spirits
• Doki-Doki Universe
• Killzone: Mercenary
• Tearaway
• God of War 1 & 2
• Final Fantasy X & X-2
• Flower
• Dead Nation
• The Walking Dead: Season 2 - 400 days

is that just sonys booth, or overall?
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Post by: archnemesis on June 11, 2013, 05:52:53 PM
That was just the games they mentioned during the conference. They probably have more on the show floor.
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Post by: archnemesis on June 11, 2013, 05:54:23 PM
No, I think it's a sidescrolling game with the exact same name. There is also a third version for the 3DS.

Edit: Blackgate is the name of the 3DS version as Andrex mentioned.

Huh I thought 3ds and Vita was getting the sidescrolling one and that was called Blackgate  ???
You might be right. It's not a favorite franchise of mine so I wasn't really paying that much attention to it.
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Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on June 11, 2013, 06:25:34 PM
After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 06:29:16 PM
After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

Actually the 1995 price reveal was even better than just projecting the price on a screen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 06:32:15 PM
After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

Actually the 1995 price reveal was even better than just projecting the price on a screen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI

Omg :rofl
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 06:40:46 PM
first time i've seen that.

harsh. I love it.
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Post by: Snuflupagulus on June 11, 2013, 06:40:58 PM
@Hitler

Definitely agree the games are lacking. Not that what was shown by MS and Sony doesn't appear competent, but where's the imagination? Granted, it's a new gen, core audience, etc. That doesn't need to preclude some risk tho, does it?

I mean, fucking Killzone. Ugh.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 06:48:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

The guy isn't playing it well, assuming it allows the same creative play style, speed and agility of the last two.

Very, very happy that the camera is pulled way back now.  The smoke powers and visual effects look fantastic.  Environments look more destructible than before.

This is the one game I really want for PS4.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 11, 2013, 06:52:44 PM
After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

Pretty much how I feel except I'll probably just stay with the PC and skip the PS4 for at a year or two

Feels kinda weird since I've been getting every console day 1 or as soon as possible since the PS2
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Post by: Bebpo on June 11, 2013, 06:59:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

The guy isn't playing it well, assuming it allows the same creative play style, speed and agility of the last two.

Very, very happy that the camera is pulled way back now.  The smoke powers and visual effects look fantastic.  Environments look more destructible than before.

This is the one game I really want for PS4.

Looks good and pretty far along.  Hopefully it's early 2014 and not like June or something.  After the initial launch, there's probably going to be a drought of titles until this comes out.
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Post by: headwalk on June 11, 2013, 07:00:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

The guy isn't playing it well, assuming it allows the same creative play style, speed and agility of the last two.

Very, very happy that the camera is pulled way back now.  The smoke powers and visual effects look fantastic.  Environments look more destructible than before.

This is the one game I really want for PS4.

it looks okay (it's hard to get buzzed by a demo where there is no perceivable conflict or threat), but also a reminder that all that IN-ENGINE footage they rolled out in the press conference exists purely for message board arguments.

bullfootage is the new bullshot.

nintendo's conference was the equivalent of turning up to your ex's wedding with an extra 50lb, two week neckbeard and fedora.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 07:30:19 PM
and prerendered cutscenes.  don't forget those.

Looks good and pretty far along.  Hopefully it's early 2014 and not like June or something.  After the initial launch, there's probably going to be a drought of titles until this comes out.

My guess is early March. 

Launch isn't looking too bad.  Sony has three safe games with Killzone (PDZ), Knack (Kameo), and Driveclub (PGR), plus tons of third party games.  It's well rounded even if there's nothing I want for it.  I'll end up getting Knack to have a game to play.  Actually between the two consoles Dead Rising 3 is the launch game I want most, but I'm not getting the Xbox One.
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Post by: headwalk on June 11, 2013, 07:52:36 PM
and prerendered cutscenes.  don't forget those.

Looks good and pretty far along.  Hopefully it's early 2014 and not like June or something.  After the initial launch, there's probably going to be a drought of titles until this comes out.

My guess is early March. 

Launch isn't looking too bad.  Sony has three safe games with Killzone (PDZ), Knack (Kameo), and Driveclub (PGR), plus tons of third party games.  It's well rounded even if there's nothing I want for it.  I'll end up getting Knack to have a game to play.  Actually between the two consoles Dead Rising 3 is the launch game I want most, but I'm not getting the Xbox One.

i think this e3 has proved to me more than anything that my tastes aren't representative of what makes a game that people enjoy. i watch all this footage and i feel more like i'm trying to pick a good present for someone else's birthday rather than responding to some kind of internal craving.

i still enjoy the circus and the right game can definitely still chub me, but my tastes come from a completely arbitrary collection of unknowable influences to the point where i'd never advise anyone to spend more that a couple of million dollars making a game for someone like me.

i can't rage at the machine. i guess steam is right for me; a completely scatter-shot approach with such an esoteric spread of particular and peculiar shit that my game inbox is an ominous black monolith of questionable purchases.

maybe i am the cause of the industry funk, and whichever product touches my heart will ascend to legendary status and single handedly save the medium, but right now i'm just going to try and vicariously enjoy what i can and try not to be too much of an asshole when my big budget hopes and dreams go unfulfilled.

probably won't last.
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Post by: chronovore on June 11, 2013, 08:26:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

The guy isn't playing it well, assuming it allows the same creative play style, speed and agility of the last two.

Very, very happy that the camera is pulled way back now.  The smoke powers and visual effects look fantastic.  Environments look more destructible than before.

This is the one game I really want for PS4.

That looked like a lot of fun, fer shure.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 11, 2013, 08:28:56 PM
Graphics aren't that impressive, kinda like last gen done right or typical PC the last few years
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 08:54:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9w26TlD.jpg)
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 09:00:45 PM
Yup. There is no diff than now.

SCEA is also stopping their online passes.
I wonder why...

I know you would just LOVE for it to be due to DRM like your beloved Xbox, but it's because of the PS Plus requirement for online play:
http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/

To keep things fair they're removing the option for online passes. That goes for first and third party software.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 09:07:12 PM
At Gamestop today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
When I was putting more money down on my PS4 people were calling in asking about the PS4. They don't have any Xbone reserves yet.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 09:10:52 PM
At Gamestop today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks.


I was on Earth today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks
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Post by: Don Flamenco on June 11, 2013, 09:11:28 PM
Graphics aren't that impressive, kinda like last gen done right or typical PC the last few years

The facial animations stood out to me.  and there's some particle porn
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 09:14:04 PM
At Gamestop today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks.


I was on Earth today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks
hehe yeah I get it. It's just I rarely here people irl talk about video games.

But it's a testament to the fact that MS probably thought they would be safe with the dude who just buys CoD and Madden and they may have turned off your casual gamer just as much as your core gamer.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 11, 2013, 09:16:06 PM
http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/

Patrick asks Sonyguy about the paywall and free to play games.  Sonyguy tells Patrick that it's possible to play free to play games without being a subscriber, on a game to game basis.

Patrick also asks Sonyguy about multiple accounts from different regions.  Sonyguy confirms it supports multiple accounts, everyone can sign in at the same time (earns trophies, unlike the PS3).  Befuddled by region question.

Patrick's doing a good jon


and here's a video that shows how the camera can do Kinect and Move junk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvpCdtjTrAo
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Noo infamous bro don't trash the science center  :'( :'(
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2013, 09:21:54 PM
What about MMOs? With FF14 and Elder Scrolls Online, it's pretty obvious that PS4 is going to be even more open to MMOs? Are they going to be behind the PSN paywall as well?

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Post by: mjemirzian on June 11, 2013, 09:36:17 PM
Sure it doesn't look like Metro: Last Light running on a 780 but it's incredible for a $399 box.

I know people tend to roll their eyes at HD ports but I'd love some uprezzed PS3 games at 1080p/60 on PS4.

Oh and mouse/keyboard support, make it happen Sony.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 11, 2013, 10:00:46 PM
What about MMOs? With FF14 and Elder Scrolls Online, it's pretty obvious that PS4 is going to be even more open to MMOs? Are they going to be behind the PSN paywall as well?



As all of the MMOs announced so far (PS2, DCUO) except for FFXIV are Free 2 Play, the free 2 play rules probably apply to them.
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 10:06:58 PM
Infamous Second Son looks REALLY fucking cool. I dunno, I could never get into Infamous. But that just looks more appealing and I can't articulate on why. I mean technically it's the same thing right? But I like the fire powers, and especially enjoy how fire powers can be handled like a tps and the sheer destruction you can pull off. The main character appears to be more agile as well. Just all around badass.
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Post by: Bebpo on June 11, 2013, 10:13:29 PM
Definitely.

I really liked the first two games, but Cole had pretty much zero personality and his sidekick buddy was annoying.  Characters in this one seem a lot more appealing.
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Post by: huckleberry on June 11, 2013, 10:18:22 PM
Quote
I know this doesn't apply to most of you since you aren't parents or just don't care but has anyone heard if one PS + membership covers all sub accounts for online play?

Found the answer to my own question...if anyone else is interested the answer is 1 PS+ covers all accounts on the console.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 11, 2013, 10:20:29 PM
Sure it doesn't look like Metro: Last Light running on a 780 but it's incredible for a $399 box.

I know people tend to roll their eyes at HD ports but I'd love some uprezzed PS3 games at 1080p/60 on PS4.

Oh and mouse/keyboard support, make it happen Sony.

That would be nice, especially for games that were ruined by crappy framerates, like Heavenly Sword

But the PS4's power leap is probably not big enough to overcome the PS3's architectural differences for 1080P/60 ports
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 11, 2013, 10:22:35 PM
Infamous Second Son looks REALLY fucking cool. I dunno, I could never get into Infamous. But that just looks more appealing and I can't articulate on why. I mean technically it's the same thing right? But I like the fire powers, and especially enjoy how fire powers can be handled like a tps and the sheer destruction you can pull off. The main character appears to be more agile as well. Just all around badass.


lightning powers were really well done in Infamous though

I hope they bring them back
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Post by: Himu on June 11, 2013, 10:49:12 PM
Yeah I'm excited he's a native.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 10:52:48 PM
One of the best things about being a white male is not giving a shit about diversity in videogame characters. 
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 11, 2013, 11:10:18 PM
One of the best things about being a white male is not giving a shit about diversity in videogame characters.
this isn't true, I really would prefer to see minorities cleaning up the cities I am working to destroy.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2013, 11:14:51 PM
One of the best things about being a white male is not giving a shit about diversity in videogame characters.
this isn't true, I really would prefer to see minorities cleaning up the cities I am working to destroy.
Realism is important in games. 
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 11, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

Actually the 1995 price reveal was even better than just projecting the price on a screen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI

Omg :rofl

Now that was a mic dropping!  :gladbron
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Post by: Purple Filth on June 11, 2013, 11:48:35 PM
Infamous :obama

And I see that weird stance wont be going away  :lol


I also think that dude is more charismatic than Cole tbh

Yea its the opposite this time around where Cole was some dude who seemingly didn't really like having powers and broods a bit and now this new guy who is completely psyched and excited about it.

And he gives off a asshole vibe that's kinda refreshing  :lol
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 11, 2013, 11:59:31 PM
I never played the first two Infamous games, but the new one looks kinda cool

Honestly there's nothing I really want to play, but I have really narrow tastes at this point in my life.  ARPGS, infinity engine rpgs, and Bethesda games are what I like to play.  Oh, and Saints Row games.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 12, 2013, 12:03:26 AM
Fucking around in my hometown in a game? Yes, please.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 12, 2013, 12:11:57 AM
As long as you can skip through the godawful "Occupie SuperHeroez!" cutscenes.
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Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on June 12, 2013, 12:14:35 AM
The characters in Infamous were aggressively unappealing.  Fuck Cole, seriously.  And Zeke....kill it with fire.  What an awful collection of twats.

The games were a ton of fun to play though and I'm sure this will be too.  Plus Second Son is set in Seattle so I'm kind of required to play it by state law.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 12, 2013, 12:21:50 AM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18fajmlpkv4a1gif/k-bigpic.gif)
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 12, 2013, 12:28:43 AM
Noo infamous bro don't trash the science center  :'( :'(

Haha, that was literally my reaction. It feels weird to play inFamous in a non-fictional city. I still wonder why they picked Seattle. I wonder if we can reach and trash Redmond and Bellevue, that would be hilarious.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18fajmlpkv4a1gif/k-bigpic.gif)

To this day this still slays me. :rofl
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 12, 2013, 12:35:01 AM
Sucker Punch probably chose Seattle because:

1. They're from here.
2. Seattle is iconic and just plain awesome.
3. The Eastside is bland as fuck.
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Post by: pilonv1 on June 12, 2013, 12:42:43 AM
I liked the first one, but got bored of the second one because the characters were still annoying and there wasn't much new.

This looked like the best PS4 game I saw today, mostly 60fps with a lot of destruction and nice effects. The 1 on 1 combat still looked dopey but getting around the environment and using the powers to take them down was really cool.
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 12, 2013, 12:44:44 AM
I wonder if the toe truck is in there
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Post by: maxy on June 12, 2013, 12:56:13 AM
Yup. There is no diff than now.

SCEA is also stopping their online passes.
I wonder why...

I know you would just LOVE for it to be due to DRM like your beloved Xbox, but it's because of the PS Plus requirement for online play:
http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/

To keep things fair they're removing the option for online passes. That goes for first and third party software.

Expert for bloody obvious things,number 2.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 12, 2013, 01:08:55 AM
When they announced the game at the PS4 unveiling, this dude was out there talking about how he got pepper sprayed at a protest, and it made him wonder what if superheroes were real. He was extra-serious about it, too :lol
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 12, 2013, 01:15:47 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv1bslqdHN1qc4zybo1_500.jpg)


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18fajmlpkv4a1gif/k-bigpic.gif)


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8494175210_7f3e46df63_z.jpg)
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 12, 2013, 01:24:03 AM
Good thing he wasn't beat up, which have turned him into a bio-terrorist himself.

SMH white people.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 12, 2013, 01:29:37 AM
From the PS4 unveiling last month. When they first announced the game.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on June 12, 2013, 01:30:31 AM
that guy looks more like the cop than the hippies
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 12, 2013, 01:35:59 AM
I'm always surprised people liked the 1st Infamous. I thought it was pretty awful. It looked horrendous and didn't run that well. The story and character were completely uninteresting. It had those boring and repetitive tunnel puzzle things. Had enemies seemingly pop out of nowhere and just being annoying spam tards.

The 2nd one though....pretty amazing. I'm surprised people never talk more about the graphics for the 2nd one. It's a pretty great looking game. While I was annoyed they didn't stick with the original redesign, I do feel like Cole was a bit more tolerable. Game had none of the annoyances of the first 1, plus melee. It was a pretty great game honestly.

Hopefully the new one is good.
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Post by: Himu on June 12, 2013, 02:25:34 AM
Infamous looked TERRIBLE on my HDTV. Thought I was the only one.
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 12, 2013, 02:34:16 AM
I remember downloading the infamous demo  :-X
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Post by: maxy on June 12, 2013, 07:13:40 AM
http://www.edge-online.com/news/e3-2013-drm-free-ps4-is-a-pr-play-expect-similar-policies-across-both-consoles-say-sources/
Quote
Several development sources have told us that they expect game publishers to implement similar DRM policies across Xbox One and PS4, despite what has unfolded at E3 this week.

Our contacts described Sony’s conference announcements as a PR play, and revealed that its decision to go DRM-free was made at the very last minute.

Each platform holder’s DRM policy has changed continually over the last few months, they said, though Microsoft’s initial stance was much tougher than its position today. This suggests that the platform holder’s decision to let publishers decide for themselves whether to implement DRM on Xbox One was not part of the original plan.
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Post by: maxy on June 12, 2013, 07:25:53 AM
So Edge is now FUD?
They were among the first ones that wrote about  mandatory Xbone online drm.

btw,only payed shills use the word FUD
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Post by: Rufus on June 12, 2013, 07:29:09 AM
One of the best things about being a white male is not giving a shit about diversity in videogame characters.
I'm happy when there's a German that isn't a Nazi. :lol
Can't think of anyone besides Sam from FC3. In recent memory, anyway.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 12, 2013, 07:45:13 AM
Yoshida and another rep followed up with Tretton's gaffe that pubs' option to pursue DRM will only restrict online portions a la online passes, on other words the status quo. Sony first parties are dropping the passes, EA came on record after both conferences reiterating their online pass program is not making a comeback (brace yourselves for the replacement), Acti never used such a program and stated they have no interest to start doing so, etc etc. It's time to stop being so mad maxy, your employers fucked up, deal with it.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 12, 2013, 07:46:15 AM
Quote from: itsgreen
Patrick Klepek talks with Scott Rohde and they talk DRM for 30 minutes.

Online passes by third parties? Not allowed; Consumers already are paying for online.


http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/ (http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/)

You still mad bro?
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Post by: archie4208 on June 12, 2013, 07:54:56 AM
Apparently F2P games requiring plus will be decided on a game by game basis which is...weird.  Sony should just make exceptions for those games.
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Post by: Huff on June 12, 2013, 08:16:30 AM
They probably will.

If not maybe enough tweets will change their minds
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Post by: maxy on June 12, 2013, 08:28:53 AM
I'm not mad  ;),I don't even plan to get anything for at least 2-3 years...to see what is left when the dust settles :tophat

As I said,I never payed a single cent for Live...had gold for a while thanks to Demi  :bow2
Those fuckers are not going to make me re-license my games on a daily basis(not taking about the bone,but the future).

Will get a nice GPU for my PC and shill for a PC version of every game...no excuses now,consoles are X86/DX11,copy-paste job

Trusting a multi billion dollar corp. is a dangerous thing,just saying.But in the end gamers deserve all this

Quote from: itsgreen
Patrick Klepek talks with Scott Rohde and they talk DRM for 30 minutes.

Online passes by third parties? Not allowed; Consumers already are paying for online.


http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/ (http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/)

You still mad bro?

Pubs will be probably getting money from online subscription.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2013, 08:53:41 AM
So basically maxy has been trolling us all the time.

It was a social experiment and you all failed.
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Post by: MCD on June 12, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
maxy, just quit gaming with me.

Xbros self destruct.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 12, 2013, 09:11:47 AM
The thing is, no amount of flip-flopping will make their policies worse than the Xbone. The Xbone will forever be stuck with a pricier system, a weaker system, and a shittier rights' system.
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Post by: mjemirzian on June 12, 2013, 09:11:52 AM
Sony first party games are worth the $399 admission price imo.
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Post by: MCD on June 12, 2013, 09:32:20 AM
ps4 is just delaying the inevitable

they embraced pay for online, they will embrace digital only future

you read it here first
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Post by: maxy on June 12, 2013, 09:32:32 AM
So basically maxy has been trolling us all the time.

Trolling is fun. :)
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Post by: demi on June 12, 2013, 09:33:59 AM
infamous is dope, the first one takes a steamer on the second. they totally screwed the pooch on it.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2013, 09:34:32 AM
So basically maxy has been trolling us all the time.

Trolling is fun. :)


Uh-huh.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 12, 2013, 09:37:40 AM
So basically maxy has been trolling us all the time.

Trolling is fun. :)


If you zoom in on that smile you can see the right eye twitching.
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Post by: maxy on June 12, 2013, 09:39:21 AM
 ;)
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Post by: MCD on June 12, 2013, 09:47:10 AM
:dead
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Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2013, 09:54:50 AM
Sony first party games are worth the $399 admission price imo.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: mjemirzian on June 12, 2013, 10:25:16 AM
Sony first party games are worth the $399 admission price imo.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
::) Not to mention console exclusive games. Might not be as many this time around though.
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Post by: Himu on June 12, 2013, 10:48:04 AM
Sony first party games are worth the $399 admission price imo.
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Um. Uncharted 2 is better than any MS exclusive but okay.
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Post by: headwalk on June 12, 2013, 11:14:48 AM
Sony first party games are worth the $399 admission price imo.
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Um. Uncharted 2 is better than any MS exclusive but okay.

it's true, a tepid dragon's lair rip off is better than something which barely exists.
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Post by: Himu on June 12, 2013, 11:17:03 AM
Sony first party games are worth the $399 admission price imo.
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Um. Uncharted 2 is better than any MS exclusive but okay.

it's true, a tepid dragon's lair rip off is better than something which barely exists.

this post is going over my head. what?
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 12, 2013, 11:34:39 AM
U2 is great but Gears of War and Halo are better series overall than Uncharted
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Post by: Brehvolution on June 12, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yeY3LjR.gif)
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Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2013, 12:32:03 PM
Sony first party games are worth the $399 admission price imo.
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Um. Uncharted 2 is better than any MS exclusive but okay.
I didn't say anything about MS. I never did and never will think that their first party games alone are worth the price of admission.

Sony's first party was overrated this whole gen and I guess that you and mj at least will continue to overrate it next gen.
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Post by: mjemirzian on June 12, 2013, 12:50:47 PM
If it was just Sony's first party I wouldn't be as interested. But there will be some console exclusive games that also make it worth it. Otherwise I'd just stick with my PC.

Revengeance coming to PC might be a sign console exclusives are diminishing next gen.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 12, 2013, 12:52:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LTW3nVK.jpg)
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Post by: MCD on June 12, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
^

That's why you can't trust indies
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 12, 2013, 12:59:04 PM
more like shill nuff amirite
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 12, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Use your Microsoft points now! Because Microsoft couldn't figure out a way to convert them into real currency and put it in a persistent wallet.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582006 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582006)

Long story short, they're going to expire. A buck or two multiplied by X million members = scrilla for Drinky
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 12, 2013, 01:06:27 PM
this is more painful than when apple went intel
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Post by: demi on June 12, 2013, 01:07:47 PM
I believe it only expires if you have them stil in your account. Cards that haven't been redeemed, or are redeemed in the future will be forever.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 12, 2013, 01:13:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OegYm1dM9g

The PS logo fades in just like the Sony logo does on their TVs.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 12, 2013, 01:15:05 PM
(http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_3042/image_304219_fit_940.jpg)

and the Playstation 4 has an internal PSU (no power brick).  What you don't see is that the PS4 is more square than rectangle and goes further back.
Title: Re: SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399
Post by: ManaByte on June 12, 2013, 01:17:04 PM
(http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_3042/image_304219_fit_940.jpg)

and the Playstation 4 has an internal PSU (no power brick).  What you don't see is that the PS4 is more square than rectangle and goes further back.

It has about the same footprint as the 2009 PS3 Slim.
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 12, 2013, 01:20:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OegYm1dM9g

The PS logo fades in just like the Sony logo does on their TVs.
this is a sorta cheesy ad but it does a decent job of showing the streamlined functionality.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 12, 2013, 01:25:31 PM
Why is Xbone so much bigger?

Did MS cheap out on hardware design too?

I thought they hired the same people as Sony for hardware
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Post by: mjemirzian on June 12, 2013, 01:28:36 PM
Maybe I'm just caught up by the hype a little too much. :-[ I'm sure I'll come back down to reality soon.
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 12, 2013, 01:29:12 PM
you're asking if the people who brought you the rrod box went with cheap hardware?

I miss the sidewinder years  :(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2013, 01:29:41 PM
Why is Xbone so much bigger?

Did MS cheap out on hardware design too?

I thought they hired the same people as Sony for hardware

They were going for 1990 Laserdisc chic.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 12, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
Why is Xbone so much bigger?

Did MS cheap out on hardware design too?

I thought they hired the same people as Sony for hardware

They were going for 1990 Laserdisc chic.

So high quality for a niche market?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 12, 2013, 01:35:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OegYm1dM9g

The PS logo fades in just like the Sony logo does on their TVs.

:lol that lightning download speed, like that's ever gonna happen
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Post by: Brehvolution on June 12, 2013, 01:36:48 PM
:lol that lightning download speed, like that's ever gonna happen

I noticed that too and was like :comeon
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Post by: cool breeze on June 12, 2013, 02:13:12 PM
Sarah: Are you playing "Knack"©?

Sarah > Unfriend

Quote
Brian: Come play Killzone!

Brian > Unfriend

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 12, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/zOWrYhB.gif)
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Post by: Purple Filth on June 12, 2013, 03:02:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OegYm1dM9g

The PS logo fades in just like the Sony logo does on their TVs.

:lol that lightning download speed, like that's ever gonna happen

yep :lol

should have made it that "play a game while its downloading" feature.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 12, 2013, 05:49:17 PM
PlanetSide 2 running on Ultra settings on the PC is :drool  If the PS4 version looks as good on a 55" I'll be playing it a lot.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2013, 06:26:02 PM
released in 2014 (:dead)

 :gloomy
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Post by: Flannel Boy on June 12, 2013, 06:29:20 PM

Dog Major part of gameplay


 :xbone
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Post by: chronovore on June 12, 2013, 07:09:45 PM
Use your Microsoft points now! Because Microsoft couldn't figure out a way to convert them into real currency and put it in a persistent wallet.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582006 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582006)

Long story short, they're going to expire. A buck or two multiplied by X million members = scrilla for Drinky

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/billing-and-subscriptions/account-management/microsoft-points-retire-faq

...it's right there in the NeoGAF article, but why not link directly to the source? I'm much more likely to click on something not-NeoGAF.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2013, 09:55:50 PM
I'm never going to be able to spend that last 20 points.
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Post by: Bebpo on June 13, 2013, 12:27:41 AM
(http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_3042/image_304219_fit_940.jpg)

and the Playstation 4 has an internal PSU (no power brick).  What you don't see is that the PS4 is more square than rectangle and goes further back.

I'm seriously afraid that PS4's are going to having heating/death issues.  The system has A LOT of tech in it and internal power brick and yet it's also freaking tiny.  Uhhhhh, I know smaller chips run cooler and all that but launch systems have not had a good track record since the even before the PS1.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 13, 2013, 12:42:02 AM
^
that, and the back of the PS4 is all vents:

(http://i5.minus.com/iV6s1ldzZMpFl.jpg)

it's just neat that we're starting out with something the size of the 'slim' ps3.  PS4 is actually a bit thinner than the slim PS3, but with a larger footprint.

here's another comparison (large image): http://i.minus.com/iband6ss7wc5PQ.jpg
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Post by: Tasty on June 13, 2013, 12:45:39 AM
The Xbone design looks dummer the more I look at it. Putting it next to the OG 360 isn't even fair.

PS4 on the other hand looks great. I didn't like the OG PS3 or the SuperSlim but I dig the direction they're going with the PS4. The controller is still a bit meh looking though.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 13, 2013, 12:49:10 AM
They both look pretty dumb, but at least the PS4 tried to have some style.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 13, 2013, 12:59:18 AM
The Xbone design looks dummer the more I look at it. Putting it next to the OG 360 isn't even fair.

PS4 on the other hand looks great. I didn't like the OG PS3 or the SuperSlim but I dig the direction they're going with the PS4. The controller is still a bit meh looking though.

Thankfully controller impressions are pretty positive.  It seems like people who hated the old controller like the PS4 one.  People who liked the old controller like the PS4 one.  People still like the 360 controller more, and supposedly the XBONE controller is even better than that.  But the takeaway is that the Sony controller is good now.

And no one knows what to do with the touchpad.  I'm sure developers will figure out some stupid gimmick; free to play games have you scratching virtual lotto tickets.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 13, 2013, 01:07:02 AM
 Inventory stuff and mmos are probably going to use that touch screen well and that sounds dandy to me.

Could it also do some of this tablet crap that seemed to be all the rage this year?
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 13, 2013, 01:12:52 AM

and the Playstation 4 has an internal PSU (no power brick).  What you don't see is that the PS4 is more square than rectangle and goes further back.

I'm seriously afraid that PS4's are going to having heating/death issues.  The system has A LOT of tech in it and internal power brick and yet it's also freaking tiny.  Uhhhhh, I know smaller chips run cooler and all that but launch systems have not had a good track record since the even before the PS1.

A lot of low-mid PC tech

Nothing to worry about 

:mynicca
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Post by: mjemirzian on June 13, 2013, 04:19:45 AM
I don't think many people were expecting next gen to come in at 680 or 780 performance. PS4 is barely 660 performance in TF.