5 guys one girl on a panel discussing this. Seems reasonable.
All of them whiteys as well. I expect a balanced discussion. Also when did Penny Arcade go from being something to simply mock to actually fucking terrible?
pics of girl on panel?
/gamerbro
pics of girl on panel?
/gamerbro
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You guys remember the good ol' days when I could live out my harmless fantasy of paying a hooker to have sex with me in the back seat of a car so that I could gain more vitality only to proceed to run over said hooker after the deed was done and reclaim that money? Where did it all go wrong?I remember sneaking a copy of Leisure Suit Larry onto the computer as a teen. Hidden dos folders and everything :lol
The more you argue about these issues needlessly, the more taboo they become.
Peopleminorities, women and gays need to loosen the fuck up. Can't we all be white men for once?
No, the people working it out on twitter are being fucking stupid. These people don't care about shit, they just want to win something at that point. Whether it's getting a perceived enemy's head on a pole or expressing what ever anger is in them and getting props from those who agree.
No, the people working it out on twitter are being fucking stupid. These people don't care about shit, they just want to win something at that point. Whether it's getting a perceived enemy's head on a pole or expressing what ever anger is in them and getting props from those who agree.
No, the people working it out on twitter are being fucking stupid. These people don't care about shit, they just want to win something at that point. Whether it's getting a perceived enemy's head on a pole or expressing what ever anger is in them and getting props from those who agree.
That's possibly true. However, it's possible that some are being sincere, and the issue is important to them. Generally speaking, when I find myself somewhat disenfranchised with a movement -- unless I just flat out disagree with the underlying principles of the movement -- I generally just bow out. It's a mostly untenable position to carve out the narrow stance of "I mostly agree with what you're about, but something about how you're doing it rubs me the wrong way."
It's kind of how I feel about trying to take on smug atheists. Those assholes generally bug the shit out of me, but it's just not fucking worth it to start an argument when we're largely in philosophical agreement about the what, just not the how (to go about presenting our views).
No, the people working it out on twitter are being fucking stupid. These people don't care about shit, they just want to win something at that point. Whether it's getting a perceived enemy's head on a pole or expressing what ever anger is in them and getting props from those who agree.
That's possibly true. However, it's possible that some are being sincere, and the issue is important to them. Generally speaking, when I find myself somewhat disenfranchised with a movement -- unless I just flat out disagree with the underlying principles of the movement -- I generally just bow out. It's a mostly untenable position to carve out the narrow stance of "I mostly agree with what you're about, but something about how you're doing it rubs me the wrong way."
It's kind of how I feel about trying to take on smug atheists. Those assholes generally bug the shit out of me, but it's just not fucking worth it to start an argument when we're largely in philosophical agreement about the what, just not the how (to go about presenting our views).
Nah, people who hold considerable sway and whose opinions are closely watched need to be told to fuck off when they say stupid shit. I'm not even sure why a shitty flash artist has needed to wade into this several times except to prove he's a dick (which he is).QuotePS mojo: Oh, sorry. Maybe you could explain the ways women ought to talk about gender issues, for their own benefit?
What's the most effective way to deal with a bully? Pop Culture says, don't be the kid who takes the long way home. But confront the bully punch him in the nose, send him home crying. And that will be the end of it.
In reality, that might be true for you, but generally, that kid either has several issues at home or have some really out of whack values instilled in him from his parents.
Or both.
So it won't stop the moment you "Dominate" him. Its a vicious cycle that just goes and goes and goes.
So, I've been with Big Brothers and Sisters now for 5 years or so and for the last year been working at their resource center on weekends for kids (doesn't need to be a Little) to come in and talk about stuff.
Quite a good number of these kids are homosexual ranging in the ages of 13-17, mostly 13.
Knowing I would counsel a good number of them, the training I got mostly centered on "Instill these kids with a sense of pride in self and awareness that there will be people in the world that don't accept them and they may not be able to change that."
So they ALL come in with bully attacks, mental, physical, whatever.
And the advice I give each and every one of them is, "Don't feel bad about yourself, feel bad about the people attacking you."
Follow ups have been good, some have even sort of befriended their bully, while some just let it bounce off.
As corny as it sounds, the most effective method for these kinds of thing is exposition instead of explosion.
Its not a war, you don't have to choose sides.
Thankfully, there were people in that GAF thread who just didn't understand what all the lingo was but wanted to know. The fact that people want to know is a good sign.
We're in a really REALLY weird age of society now where people outside of societal norms are coming out but you still have people who have lifetimes of conservative training under their belt.
They won't come around with you attacking them on twitter. You just let them be and hope they come around, and if they don't they don't.
And its just WAY too easy for people on the internet to gang up on people and say "NO YOU'RE WRONG! YOU'RE EVIL!" without letting them say their piece.
Gabe isn't doing the best job himself, but the whole thing can be handled better.
Just don't go to PAX, don't visit their site, that's it.
But this power comes from the people, doesn't it?
I think people would naturally wander from institutions that support things they are against or vice versa. At least, I'd hope they would.
Penny Arcade has a habit of doubling down when called out on their bullshit. They say something that offends people, and then they go and revel in it to the delight of their fans until it becomes too much for them and they back down. And yes, it's an issue of scale. They're not two random guys on the internet, they run a huge business that wields considerable sway and who frequently editorialize on what goes in the industry.
Maybe its too Utopian of a hope.No, it's naive. You can't zen your way through a brick wall of stupidity, especially not when you're a minority. You're going to get ignored, belittled, disadvantaged or even beat down.
Twitter's not a great medium for nuanced discussion, but it can be a GREAT medium for getting all up in the grills of the e-famous. Not like he was trying to have a respectful, mutual exchange of ideas anyway.
He says stupid shit on twitter, he gets flamed on Twitter. All in the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cryMVK1PwuQ
^thanks:bow
if youre the person being shit on, theres a pretty good chance you dont get any recourse besides places like twitter. white dudes have pretty much everything on lock around here, and we're not giving an inch without a long, pathetic, embarrassing fight.
NO ONE is stopping these fucks (or most any white dude) from making anything they want or saying anything they want. hell, they can even still get rich as fuck off it. the only backlash they usually have to deal with is the people theyre shitting on criticizing and insulting them. THATS IT. but when you have millions of dicks that have been spoiled since birth and have never really had to deal with any kind of consequences to their actions, this is what you get. straight, middle-class white dudes acting like we're the most victimized people on the planet and boo hoo why wont these asshole be nice to us.
if you feel persecuted because people are being mean to you because you acted like and asshole, then please log off your computer and put a damn gun in your mouth.
Fuck you Mike Kralaualdfu;hik. I will rub my extremely feminized and size decreased limp dick all of your FACE.:phil
I finally have a bigger dick then a black man:phil
Is your dick shrinking?
I finally have a bigger dick then a black man
Kotaku ripped off my thread at neogaf about skin tone in Animal Crossing and I STILL CANNOT CHANGE MY SKIN TONE WITHOUT HAVING A "TAN".You're not just really tan ???
:maf
http://kotaku.com/we-dont-need-you-to-white-knight-us-poor-guy-thats-w-514315266
This kotaku article :o
:fbm :picard
I figured all the FGC bashing was just projection and picking on minorities.
All this shit makes my head hurt. Let's just talk about video games.
My issue isn't "everyone lighten up", but "everyone have a real discussion". It's either OMG this or OMG that. There's been very little real discussion. After awhile, it gets tiring and you don't even want to venture into that fog.
magoose, most human beings are capable of all sorts of nuances such as enjoying a product while critically viewing problematic aspects of the industry behind it.
well, most developmentally mature adult human beings, anyway. so almost no gamers, probably.
Mental ageismmagoose, most human beings are capable of all sorts of nuances such as enjoying a product while critically viewing problematic aspects of the industry behind it.
well, most developmentally mature adult human beings, anyway. so almost no gamers, probably.
whatever old man
wait... is this ageism? ???
Can't we all just get along?
And by "get along," I mean you shut up and I return to my position of unquestioned privilege.
My only problem with this stuff is that it in it's effort to change games, it seems everything that sure has sexist undertones get's attacked. Look, I wish games would be more diverse. It would be nice to play protags who aren't white, male, or American. it would be nice to play games where there's more to it then killing people. I'm all for that. Sometime's though I like fucking boobs and I like shooting guns. I don't need everything to be this thing that pushes game's forward, nor do I need every game that dosen't aspire to do that be talked down to. Hell, I don't want to be talked down to because I like to partake in these things.
These growing pains of video games are just very annoying.
Some gamers need to take themselves out of the argument and stop looking at criticisms of the games and the industry that you love as a criticism of you yourself. I think a lot of people get caught up in that and then it becomes an "i just want to play games" thing.
Boobs yes guns no.My only problem with this stuff is that it in it's effort to change games, it seems everything that sure has sexist undertones get's attacked. Look, I wish games would be more diverse. It would be nice to play protags who aren't white, male, or American. it would be nice to play games where there's more to it then killing people. I'm all for that. Sometime's though I like fucking boobs and I like shooting guns. I don't need everything to be this thing that pushes game's forward, nor do I need every game that dosen't aspire to do that be talked down to. Hell, I don't want to be talked down to because I like to partake in these things.
These growing pains of video games are just very annoying.
Are boobs and guns in any danger of going away?
Some gamers need to take themselves out of the argument and stop looking at criticisms of the games and the industry that you love as a criticism of you yourself. I think a lot of people get caught up in that and then it becomes an "i just want to play games" thing.Oh god this is me. I've become like the moe fans.
Some gamers need to take themselves out of the argument and stop looking at criticisms of the games and the industry that you love as a criticism of you yourself. I think a lot of people get caught up in that and then it becomes an "i just want to play games" thing.Oh god this is me. I've become like the moe fans.
I just feel like I'm being told I'm dumb because I'm perfectly happy with current games I could not understand why so many bore members were so uninterested in what was shown.
Meanwhile I see people gushing over games like Flower and Daid Cage's stuff and I'm just like "this looks boring".
I'm not sure I'm ready to blame anyone entirely for the "way games are". There are a lot of journos who do their best to highlight games that are different and give them an extra boost, even if they don't really deserve it on their own merits. As for the game makers, it's become a very risky business, so they're playing it safe, and in an industry historically dominated by young males, that means boobs and guns. And the customers themselves, while shouldering some blame for buying the same stuff all the time, can't take the full blame because they largely buy whatever is put in front of them with the shiniest spotlight. Everyone's a little to blame.
If anything's going to change in the big picture, we've got to stop worrying about what's happening in front of the curtain, because that stuff is just a necessary outcome of the real problems happening behind the curtain. I roll my eyes at stuff like Dead or Alive because I'm a bit of a prick, but the real stuff that needs addressing is the type of thing that Kotaku article was talking about. The pervasive sexism within the industry itself. If that gets sorted out, even partially, then you'll start to see more games catering to a variety of demographics.
^thanks
if youre the person being shit on, theres a pretty good chance you dont get any recourse besides places like twitter. white dudes have pretty much everything on lock around here, and we're not giving an inch without a long, pathetic, embarrassing fight.
NO ONE is stopping these fucks (or most any white dude) from making anything they want or saying anything they want. hell, they can even still get rich as fuck off it. the only backlash they usually have to deal with is the people theyre shitting on criticizing and insulting them. THATS IT. but when you have millions of dicks that have been spoiled since birth and have never really had to deal with any kind of consequences to their actions, this is what you get. straight, middle-class white dudes acting like we're the most victimized people on the planet and boo hoo why wont these asshole be nice to us.
if you feel persecuted because people are being mean to you because you acted like and asshole, then please log off your computer and put a damn gun in your mouth.
What's all this bullshit about "white dudes?" You're relegating people's thoughts to their gender and skin tone and you think that means you're somehow enlightened, and totally not a bigot?
What's all this bullshit about "white dudes?" You're relegating people's thoughts to their gender and skin tone and you think that means you're somehow enlightened, and totally not a bigot?
Like I was talking to Patel about earlier, the surface shit that the media likes to talk about is just a symptom of the main problem in the games industry, and that it is staffed with juvenile white dudes that are for the most part hostile towards women (especially) in the workforce. Sitting around complaining that women are portrayed poorly in games won't get you anywhere until there is some seismic shifts in the industry as a whole.
But that's not going to happen because the whole industry is about to take it in the pooper anyway.
I don't know why there are so few American women who are interested in the STEM field.
Can't we all just get along?
And by "get along," I mean you shut up and I return to my position of unquestioned privilege.
"How is it privilege? It's just how things are. I'm tired of non-gamers trying to make everything so complicated."
1second reply?:lol
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:lol holy fuck i just read that. he so mad. that cheev should have been worth more points.
I’ve spent the last few days trying to apologize to people I hurt. I’ve been doing it via email and I’ve given out my phone number a lot. I realize I was wrong and I’m genuinely sorry. I also realize I can’t possibly apologize on the phone to each and every person I hurt. I’m going to keep trying, but I’ve also decided to personally make a donation to the Trevor Project of $20,000.00. I also plan to keep interacting with people on a personal level and I understand that will be an ongoing process. In the meantime I’m hoping this donation will do some real good for a group that desperately needs it.