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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 08:56:23 PM

Title: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
I know that Nintendo have made many mistakes but none makes less sense to me than why Nintendo cant partner up with a mobile company and make a mobile phone DS combo.  Are they really that far stuck in the past?
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: MCD on June 26, 2013, 08:58:48 PM
You really don't want that.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Tasty on June 26, 2013, 09:08:07 PM
Would you really use a DS Phone instead of an iPhone/Android? You'd be OK with shelling out $200 and then being locked to your funky looking, no apps-having DS Phone for two whole years?

How about we look at all those Vita 3G sales? :teehee

3DS does one thing well: play games with hard buttons and a great d-pad and a pretty decent analog slider.

What we really should be asking is why the 3DS's OS feels kind of archaic and why the eShop absolutely blows compared to App Store/Play Store. (The Wii U eShop is a vast improvement, actually, which is saying something.)
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:12:34 PM
I actually would use a ds phone.  And as for having to pay 200 bucks for the phone, thats what we are paying now :lol.

EDIT:  Also why cant a phone have tactile buttons?  Sony did it before.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2013, 09:15:30 PM
I don't think another mobile closed-system is gonna cut it in this day and age. Nintendo might be better off just putting games on iOS and Android if they want to penetrate that particular market.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: MCD on June 26, 2013, 09:19:29 PM
The N-Gage did it too.

Look, this might work in Japan but it won't do shit anywhere else. Look at Blackberry ffs, they just lost to Windows Phone in the race for the third mobile ecosystem.

Nintendo's only choice is to swallow their pride and release their IPs on iPhone and Android.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
Eh kids need phones too.  If 3DS's sell i believe 3DS phones will sell better.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Tasty on June 26, 2013, 09:22:47 PM
EDIT:  Also why cant a phone have tactile buttons?  Sony did it before.

Ask Apple. :teehee

And how is Sony doing these days in the phone biz? :teehee (Hint: they're behind Huawei with 4.5% marketshare.)
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: MCD on June 26, 2013, 09:24:40 PM
Eh kids need phones too.  If 3DS's sell i believe 3DS phones will sell better.
All kids own iPhones.

Jesus you need to get out more and this is coming from a virgin.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:29:32 PM
What ages?  12 and up or 10 and up?  Considering Nintendo's main market is below that...
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2013, 09:30:31 PM
3DS does one thing well: play games with hard buttons and a great d-pad and a pretty decent analog slider.
I think a WarioWare-style game would be excellent on a touch-device. Animal Crossing could easily work, too.

You're selling Nintendo short if you don't think they could figure out how to make fun touchscreen games, they just need to swallow their pride. Nintendo's hardware sales have already been annihilated, I don't think it'd hurt much more to release a few games on iOS.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:33:25 PM
Annihilated?  Really?  They are selling ahead of the DS by a lot.
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Trunkswd/TotalSales.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2013, 09:34:54 PM
I meant relative to smartphones.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:37:09 PM
Exactly. Phones are a necessity while purely gaming platforms are not.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Tasty on June 26, 2013, 09:41:26 PM
Exactly. Phones are a necessity while purely gaming platforms are not.

This hasn't ever not been the case, lol.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Tasty on June 26, 2013, 09:43:01 PM
Annihilated?  Really?  They are selling ahead of the DS by a lot.
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Trunkswd/TotalSales.png)

Clearly the takeaway from this is that Nintendo should ignore what is currently bringing them success and enter a completely different, overcrowded market segment in which they have no experience and are several years late to the game.

Clearly.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2013, 09:43:48 PM
Exactly. Phones are a necessity while purely gaming platforms are not.
I don't see how this would help Nintendo make a successful smartphone. It might also be worth considering that Nintendo's utter ineptitude about online infrastructure probably wouldn't bode well for a device that practically streams data over the air at all times.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:43:55 PM
So why not shoe horn in the gaming side into something that is a necessity?
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:45:31 PM
I don't see how this would help Nintendo make a successful smartphone. It might also be worth considering that Nintendo's utter ineptitude about online infrastructure probably wouldn't bode well for a device that practically streams data over the air at all times.

Who says Nintendo have to do anything on the phone side?
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2013, 09:46:01 PM
I'd reckon Nintendo does.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:47:18 PM
:lol i guess you are right.  Nintendo is arrogant that way.  No experience on the phone side decide what the phone side does. :p
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 09:48:32 PM
Clearly the takeaway from this is that Nintendo should ignore what is currently bringing them success and enter a completely different, overcrowded market segment in which they have no experience and are several years late to the game.

Clearly.

Compare that to the phone side and that is getting annihilated.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Tasty on June 26, 2013, 09:51:04 PM
I'm sure refrigerators are outselling the 3DS too.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2013, 09:52:41 PM
I think what Andy is trying to say is that if you were in Nintendo's shoes, what you are proposing sounds like suicide. They're probably counting their blessings that 3DS has turned into such a success, they're not about to risk it all on entering a market that's completely out of their depth.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Tasty on June 26, 2013, 09:59:40 PM
I think what Andy is trying to say is that if you were in Nintendo's shoes, what you are proposing sounds like suicide. They're probably counting their blessings that 3DS has turned into such a success, they're not about to risk it all on entering a market that's completely out of their depth.

Yes.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 10:16:19 PM
But I believe even if they can get a portion of that market they still would be better off than what they are doing now.  Risk and reward and all that.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2013, 10:18:00 PM
:comeon
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 10:20:07 PM
Basically why should a kid have to carry round both a 3ds and iphone, when they could be merged together?
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
I dont have a chart for that, ill keep looking.

(http://videogam.in/images/0000001/ltd-gba-nds-3ds-launch-aligned.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 10:32:27 PM
*walks in and sees serious responses to a damian79 thread*

(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww256/whitlocklove/Disgust.gif)
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 10:35:11 PM
Good thing you dont make threads.   :P
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2013, 10:36:11 PM
*walks in and sees serious responses to a damian79 thread*
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I should know better, but the honest truth is that I'm a masochist :-[
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 10:36:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Eo0z07W.gif)
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
i am confused.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 26, 2013, 10:38:03 PM
What is the story behind that gif?   :lol
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 10:38:34 PM
 :lol that judge judy gif never gets old
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 26, 2013, 11:35:08 PM
you know what i would ahve been all over? A DS Micro with flash memory only and the ability to hack i mean download legit GBA/DS software to it.

I mean- i already have this with my DS LL - basically a machine with everything of note from the GBA/GB/GBC/DS/NES as a sort of ZOMG NINTENDO portable machine but if i could squeeze it down in size to something smaller, i'd be all over it.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: cool breeze on June 27, 2013, 12:37:06 AM
I kinda adore the Micro for how well designed it is and back in 2006 I had no trouble playing on that postage stamp screen, but these days tablets and large screens period ruined my tolerance for smaller screens.  Every once in a while I play the original 3DS or PSP Go and those are tiny compared to the other screens I interact with.  PSP Go is the best balance of function and compactness, but you can't replicate that form with the dual screen baggage.

Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Diunx on June 27, 2013, 01:47:45 AM
This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 27, 2013, 02:30:19 AM
Why is that the dumbest idea you ever heard?
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 27, 2013, 03:09:08 AM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 27, 2013, 03:36:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hKfeYPY.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Fifstar on June 27, 2013, 03:46:20 AM
I kinda adore the Micro for how well designed it is and back in 2006 I had no trouble playing on that postage stamp screen, but these days tablets and large screens period ruined my tolerance for smaller screens.  Every once in a while I play the original 3DS or PSP Go and those are tiny compared to the other screens I interact with.  PSP Go is the best balance of function and compactness, but you can't replicate that form with the dual screen baggage.

Yeah, I tried to play Advance Wars on my GBA SP 3 weeks ago and I couldn't believe that I could play on this for hours in the past. Obviously the quality suffers due to it being frontlit but just the size felt so tiny that I couldn't play on it (and my smartphone isn't even that big).
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: radioheadrule83 on June 27, 2013, 04:59:40 AM
I don't particularly need another phone, but I wouldn't mind if Nintendo tried to make their devices more multifunctional and easier to develop for. Their new dev headquarters might help ensure that future handhelds and consoles share better eco-systems. I love things like Miiverse, but I think Nintendo are pretty bad at OS design. If they are honestly going to come up with more weird menus with unnecessary schmaltzy music for everything, I'd rather they just fork Android like Amazon did and make app porting really easy. That way we get the best of both worlds... good quality game content that remunerates developers properly, but a non-game app environment that invites clever, cheap and innovative apps -- that anyone can develop for.

I have an SLR so I don't buy compact cameras anymore, but if I were buying one and weren't going for a Canon Powershot, similar Nikon or Lumix type thing, I'd probably try something like this for the functionality of it:
(http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/GALAXY-Camera-pair-580x416.jpg)

A 3DS that anyone could develop for, half decent cameras on board and 3G for networking / spotpass anywhere - would have been fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: MCD on June 27, 2013, 05:33:19 AM
Flip phones are still a thing in Japan so if Nintendo were to do this, it will be this most likely.
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: radioheadrule83 on June 27, 2013, 05:43:02 AM
Flip phones are still a thing in Japan so if Nintendo were to do this, it will be this most likely.

Remember when this was kind of cool?

(http://i.imgur.com/KDAwfYd.gif)

Makes me feel old
Title: Re: Nintendo dropping the ball since 1999
Post by: Damian79 on June 27, 2013, 12:29:48 PM
Fuck, I hate ninthings that want Nintendo to do some stupid shit just to get popular. Especially when it's stupid shit like a mobile phone DS... I mean what the fuck? Do you even give a shit about games or are you just interested in seeing some shithole company make money?

Or maybe i would buy it if they offered one.  For me it is about travelling light, i dont like the fact that i have to carry both a 3ds and a phone.