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Title: Re: Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: cool breeze on July 20, 2013, 04:32:10 PM
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mentioned in the other thread, but Flash 2016 and Justice League 2017 were paired with this in the rumors.
Title: Re: Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2013, 04:33:30 PM
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Title: Re: Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 20, 2013, 04:33:40 PM
Batman vs Superman:

"What's that in your hand, Clark?"
"Your heart."

*credits*
Title: Re: Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Himu on July 20, 2013, 04:34:10 PM
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mentioned in the other thread, but Flash 2016 and Justice League 2017 were paired with this in the rumors.

What about Wonder Woman?
Title: Re: Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 20, 2013, 04:34:26 PM
Hell yeah!
Title: Re: Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: cool breeze on July 20, 2013, 04:37:12 PM
What about Wonder Woman?

I think they're going to try for another Wonder Woman TV show....

Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Tucah on July 20, 2013, 04:55:55 PM
I want to get fucking psyched over this because it could be amazing but Man of Steel inspires very little confidence in me. I'm curious as to who's going to play Batman, they're going to have to start casting pretty soon if the movie's coming out in two years.
Title: Re: Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: cool breeze on July 20, 2013, 05:08:58 PM
I want to get fucking psyched over this because it could be amazing but Man of Steel inspires very little confidence in me. I'm curious as to who's going to play Batman, they're going to have to start casting pretty soon if the movie's coming out in two years.

Same.  Not overly fond of Zack Snyder and David Goyer being the guys behind all these DC movies. 

I remember a reason Snyder got the Superman job was a matter of timing.  You had Duncan Jones in talks to do it, but his version would've taken longer or something.  After Man of Steel I thought other talent would be brought in, but I guess Avengers changed all that.

Batman vs Superman:

"What's that in your hand, Clark?"
"Your heart."

*credits*

yeah, I thought it'd be Batman and Superman, not Batman vs Superman.  They're specifically referencing Dark Knight Returns as inspiration (which is strange enough considering the last Batman movie).  So who knows.  Fuck it, Batman is also Green Lantern in the movies.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2013, 06:36:53 PM
Fuck Snyder.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 20, 2013, 06:43:09 PM
nah, Snyder can stay, Goyer on the other hand...
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Tucah on July 20, 2013, 06:46:02 PM
Goyer's definitely the part that has me the most worried here.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Polari on July 20, 2013, 06:46:50 PM
Fuck Snyder.

Such a hack.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: cool breeze on July 20, 2013, 07:00:31 PM
nah, Snyder can stay, Goyer on the other hand...

yeah, or either/or to find a balance.  That's what makes the Flash movie strange and interesting.  I imagine a Flash movie being a comedy, only now it'd have to fit with the overall 'vision' of those two.

the only casting rumor that's been going around is (don't know if people care about these types of spoilers but just in case)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Denzel Washington for Lex Luthor.  I'd be all for that.
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Nothing about Batman.  Years ago the white guy playing a white guy in Lone Ranger was going to be Batman in Justice League, but after Lone Ranger, probably won't be considered.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Tucah on July 20, 2013, 07:21:07 PM
oh fuck yes to that casting rumor. Armie Hammer might have been a pretty good Batman but there really is no chance now after TLR bomba.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2013, 07:46:22 PM
nah, Snyder can stay, Goyer on the other hand...

yeah, or either/or to find a balance.  That's what makes the Flash movie strange and interesting.  I imagine a Flash movie being a comedy, only now it'd have to fit with the overall 'vision' of those two.

the only casting rumor that's been going around is (don't know if people care about these types of spoilers but just in case)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Denzel Washington for Lex Luthor.  I'd be all for that.
[close]
Nothing about Batman.  Years ago the white guy playing a white guy in Lone Ranger was going to be Batman in Justice League, but after Lone Ranger, probably won't be considered.

I watched Flashpoint today; definitely not a comedy, so they could do something like that to make it fit in the universe, though its not a good idea for an intro flash movie either.  The biggest flash problem is all his villain's are silly. 
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2013, 08:04:40 PM
Fuck Snyder.

Such a hack.

Snyder gave you guys a Supes vs Faora battle and Supes vs Zod battle that wiped the floor with any superhero fights ever put to film, and this only seven years after Bryan Singer had left the Superman film series for dead. Show a little appreciation.

Neither fight was that good. Just a bunch of floaty CG barely above Matrix Revolution's final fight.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Diunx on July 20, 2013, 08:20:02 PM
Holy shit this is gonna be soooo bad.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2013, 08:59:30 PM
Best news ever for people who hate comic book movies and just want to lap up bitter tears!
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 04:37:42 AM
This is going to be atrocious
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 21, 2013, 10:07:44 AM
I thought they will be fighting alongside not against each other. Supes should kill Bat in first 3 seconds, this is stupid.

Batman can easily beat Superman.

But it doesn't matter because the movie will just be

"Ohhh we're enemies!! Fight fight fight!!"

"Ohhh whats this greater threat looming? We must stop fighting and work together!!"

*animosity*
*mistrust*

*eventual respect*

*trust*

"Ohhh we defeated the greater threat! We aren't friends but we will continue to work together if need be!!"

*Setup for JLA*
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2013, 12:00:15 PM
Superman's a pussy, though.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 12:15:55 PM
Superman's a pussy, though.
Not like Batman is any less of a pussy.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2013, 12:17:16 PM
Superman's a pussy, though.

Not like Batman is any less of a pussy.

Not true.  Batman is a ninja.  Superman is some pussy from Kansas.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Barry Egan on July 21, 2013, 12:19:47 PM
Not true.  Batman is a ninja.  Superman is some pussy from Kansas.

Yes, but Batman did basically spend the first act of his last movie crying alone in a bathtub.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
Superman's a pussy, though.

Not like Batman is any less of a pussy.

Not true.  Batman is a ninja.  Superman is some pussy from Kansas.
Modern Batman and Superman is basically the same pussy in different tights. As many badass threads as Batman has made he never has to follow through with them, never. The last time he actually wrecked someones shit is when he had a gun and killed people.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 12:30:30 PM
Why cant I just get a Punisher movie starring Jonah Hill called Big Pun
Now here is a non pussy.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Batman.
Post by: cool breeze on July 21, 2013, 12:32:56 PM
I really have trouble taking people seriously when they suggest Batman can beat Superman, easily or not.  It would go like this: Round one, f- oh, look, Batman's in the fucking sun.  There is no other way that fight ends. 

You're exactly right about the plot of the movie, though.

That's why I like how the cartoon handled it.  Superman lets Batman throw him across the room, then shoulder checks him into a wall, calls him stupid, and looks through his mask to see who he is.  Batman uses kryptonite to sneak away, like a coward.  But this is Batman, so he has a plan b: sleep with Lois Lane as Bruce Wayne.

Snyder doesn't exactly have restraint and with citing DKR, we'll probably get a scene of Batman smacking Superman around with no real explanation as to how.  The real question is how much will they play up the gay innuendo once they team up.  Avengers was pretty successful with Tony and Banner.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 12:32:58 PM
Momo is a weeaboo. You're not a badass in his book unless you say something along the lines of "I can never forgive you :uguu"
(http://i.imgur.com/cHMPfQY.jpg)
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 21, 2013, 02:06:14 PM
Did anyone see the Dark Knight Returns Part 2 Cartoon? The fight between Superman and Batman there was pretty good and it was expanded from the comic. Though it made sense there how Batman was at least able to fight, not sure how MoS Superman is going to be able to fight Batman.

But either way, I'm excited for the movie.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 02:25:49 PM
Batman vs Superman can work. A fight between them is never a fight to the death, it's always Superman trying to subdue Batman and Batman trying to graft and trick his way out of getting fucked in all five holes. Thanks to Superman being just that bit more of a pussy than Batman, it's an easy fight to set out.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Tasty on July 21, 2013, 03:02:25 PM
IMO it depends on what people mean by one of them "beating" the other.

Contest of strength/fighting? Well no fucking duh Supes would win. He's a radioactive alien powerhouse.

Usually when talking about a movie though, it's about one of them "besting" each other -- prevailing over the other in some way other than raw strength. In that case it's pretty much a toss up although writers will always favor Batman in that situation.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Shadow Mod on July 21, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
Batman would only win if he had a kryptonite gun and a surprise attack.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Bebpo on July 21, 2013, 06:21:35 PM
Yeah, uh, this seems silly.  Why not make a co-op movie where they work together and Batman does the investigation and sleuth stuff to track down the criminal and then Superman punches him really hard.  Who wants a Mortal Kombat style versus movie of Superheroes fighting each other?  That was the dumbest part of the Avengers and it just comes across as fanboys wanting to have their VEGATA VS. NEO fights.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Shadow Mod on July 21, 2013, 06:30:07 PM
Yeah, uh, this seems silly.  Why not make a co-op movie where they work together and Batman does the investigation and sleuth stuff to track down the criminal and then Superman punches him really hard.  Who wants a Mortal Kombat style versus movie of Superheroes fighting each other?  That was the dumbest part of the Avengers and it just comes across as fanboys wanting to have their VEGATA VS. NEO fights.

Yeah. Although Stark's lines were cracking me up.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Himu on July 21, 2013, 07:16:15 PM
I hate that Spider-Man is in the Avengers. Spider-man is a street super hero. That's why he's popular. He shouldn't be involved with the fucking Avengers. Wolverine either. Wolverine is a loner, why the fuck is he with The Avengers, the X-Men and all those other groups? I don't get it. Fuck.  It's stuff like that makes me not following the comics as much as I like to, because I have so many different interpretations of the superheroes that the fanboy writers don't.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Himu on July 21, 2013, 07:28:07 PM
The only group I like Spider-man hanging around is the Fantastic Four.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Tasty on July 21, 2013, 07:33:15 PM
Powerful guys are often lame, I agree, but I guess I just don't see what's wrong with keeping characters in their own power scale for stories.  I'm okay with Batman stories where he's just detectiving it up, taking out guys the police can't handle.  I don't need to see him punching Darkseid and saving Earf.

Well he did shoot Darkseid and save the Earf (Final Crisis.)
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: cool breeze on July 21, 2013, 07:33:56 PM
That wasn't the writers, Himu-chan.  That was an executive wondering why DC's team had all their most popular heroes but Marvel's team was missing their big two. 

I'm actually legit thankful Wolverine and Spider-Man can't be a part of the film Avengers.  Aside from the little cheat of keeping Hulk around, the film Avengers are all core Avengers, and it's been nice to see them succeed when most people thought they couldn't.

In time Disney will own everything and we'll get a super movie that fans have been asking for.  Although movies will get so expensive that summer will be Justice League vs X-Avengers, Star Wars LVIII, and Avatar 3.
Title: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 21, 2013, 08:16:52 PM
There should be a scene when they both sit down for a drink and discuss their favourite bits in Air America.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 21, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
I always thought Billy Zane would make a cool, intimidating Lex Luthor.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Steve Youngblood on July 21, 2013, 09:33:26 PM
You should listen to your friend Billy Zane. He's a cool dude.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2013, 10:00:16 PM
They need to make a Batman movie based on Batman Odyssey, where Batman goes on a psychedelic voyage to the center of the earth and rides some dinosaurs.

(http://i.imgur.com/KmYPy2i.jpg)
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2013, 10:12:19 PM
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Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 21, 2013, 10:55:10 PM
I hate that Spider-Man is in the Avengers. Spider-man is a street super hero. That's why he's popular. He shouldn't be involved with the fucking Avengers. Wolverine either. Wolverine is a loner, why the fuck is he with The Avengers, the X-Men and all those other groups? I don't get it. Fuck.  It's stuff like that makes me not following the comics as much as I like to, because I have so many different interpretations of the superheroes that the fanboy writers don't.
Is it really fanboyish to make Wolvie a part of team since he's been part of time for most of his history?
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Himu on July 21, 2013, 11:01:08 PM
I hate that Spider-Man is in the Avengers. Spider-man is a street super hero. That's why he's popular. He shouldn't be involved with the fucking Avengers. Wolverine either. Wolverine is a loner, why the fuck is he with The Avengers, the X-Men and all those other groups? I don't get it. Fuck.  It's stuff like that makes me not following the comics as much as I like to, because I have so many different interpretations of the superheroes that the fanboy writers don't.
Is it really fanboyish to make Wolvie a part of team since he's been part of time for most of his history?

Yes, a team he's always clashed with, sure. So Wolverine joining two or even three more teams - when a part of his entire shtick is that he's NOT a people person - is an extremity. Maybe if you have't been paying attention to X-book storylines you may think that Wolvie gets along just jolly fine with people, but that's not the truth. He's not much of a team player and he's close to very few people in X-Men books despite being a part of the team. Wolverine is like Raphael, he does his own thing even if he's part of the group; he's an individual.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 21, 2013, 11:20:08 PM
Eh I don't agree with that.

Wolverine is possibly the most family man of the X-men. The tough love uncle of the team. He's loyal to the X-men

He vouched for Psylocke during her entire Asian body thing.

He's trained sidekick characters like Armor, Kitty, and Jubiliee.

During New X-men, he pretty much vouched and supported most of the characters. I mean no one else ran after Scott after his affair got out.

He was willing to create X-Force and do Scott's dirty work because at that time he believed in Scott and even continued to run it with Angel because they both felt it was needed for the team.

Even before the Schism he was behind Scott and in Consequences he wasn't exactly judgmental of Scott though everyone's frogetten that.

Yeah as far as the X-men would go, maybe a team player isn't the right word, but he's pretty loyal and carring for people. Hell he even seems to be ok with Gambit. He may be his own man, but I don't know about loner. He didn't seem to be that much in later 80s stories. Just the tough dude.

Thats the only reason I don't seem him being on the Avengers. Because he's pretty loyal to the X-men and while he's a part of that team, he's not afraid to make the hard choice when it comes to things. I don't see him as a heroic figure.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Himu on July 21, 2013, 11:32:45 PM
The general point is that despite being a part of the X-Men, Wolverine has always been depicted as kind of isolated from the team. No amount of sidekicks and girlfriends changes that. Especially when we talk about his own specific book line, he is very often depicted as a loner and not a team player, despite being on so many teams. Wolverine will go off by himself for weeks without a hint of where he's traveling, I'm not seeing how you can debate this.

But it ultimately comes down to who's writing the books at the mo.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2013, 11:40:13 PM
Could Batman beat Superman?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
They're not real people, guys.
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Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 11:49:11 PM
The Iron Man vs Thor fight was probably my favorite part of The Avengers.
A bullshit fight because Thor should squash IM like a bug
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 21, 2013, 11:49:21 PM
I'm not arguing that he dosen't like to handle his own business or do his own thing, but you questioned why he his even on teams. I don't think it's been depicted that he's isolated from the team usually. Even before his current status quo as lame headmaster, he's usually been written as the person who really cares for his friends and having a place where he belongs is pretty important to him. And he seems to be a good terms with most of the marvel universe heroes.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 11:51:51 PM
That wasn't the writers, Himu-chan.  That was an executive wondering why DC's team had all their most popular heroes but Marvel's team was missing their big two. 

I'm actually legit thankful Wolverine and Spider-Man can't be a part of the film Avengers.  Aside from the little cheat of keeping Hulk around, the film Avengers are all core Avengers, and it's been nice to see them succeed when most people thought they couldn't.
No Hank and Wasp makes these avengers worthless to me. Hey I see they are doing ultron anyway :-\
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Himu on July 21, 2013, 11:58:10 PM
By the way, anyone else think it's funny how Wolverine's character development has pretty much exactly mirrored the Fonz's?

?
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 21, 2013, 11:59:55 PM
Character power levels were clearly tweaked for the purpose of making a better film. And doing so indisputably made for a better film.
we might as well be having Batman running around fist fighting Superman to death then
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 22, 2013, 12:01:48 AM
I do agree the comic power levels are all sorts of broken though. Lowering other chars to come down to the level of the likes of Spiderman, Wolverine, Batman and in this case Iron Man because they are popular has always been fucking distinguished mentally-challenged though.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 22, 2013, 12:02:46 AM
Character power levels were clearly tweaked for the purpose of making a better film. And doing so indisputably made for a better film.
we might as well be having Batman running around fist fighting Superman to death then

This is a ridiculous comparison and you know it.
It is not, Thor is many, many times stronger than IM and Superman isnt nearly as broken today as he was 50 years ago.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 22, 2013, 12:09:42 AM
Nobody wants to see that kind of Thor in a movie, Momo. Literally nobody except maybe the most hardcore comic stans.
Oh, it would be a shitty Green Ranger candle-esq movie indeed. The point i was faffing around is, people who accept that kind of stuff really have no business criticizing Batman vs Superman, you guys are the folk who enable stuff like this. For the record I think both (physical) fights are bullshit
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Mandark on July 22, 2013, 12:11:13 AM
Just saying, Oscar.

Batman's "beaten" Superman more than once in stories that are considered canon by the folks who referee that sort of thing, no*?  So the question's already answered, unless there's a real Superman and those comics are libelous falsehoods.



*This is not a rhetorical question.  I only have a vague impression of how conflict between the two has been handled.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 22, 2013, 12:12:04 AM
The ONE time I really liked a Bat vs Supes scenario was in the comics when Bats had a bomb placed on 'an innocent civilian' and had a kind of barrier around himself so if Supes came near him the bomb would kill said civilian. That's always the realm their altercations should stay in.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2013, 12:15:08 AM
Just saying, Oscar.

Batman's "beaten" Superman more than once in stories that are considered canon by the folks who referee that sort of thing, no*?  So the question's already answered, unless there's a real Superman and those comics are libelous falsehoods.



*This is not a rhetorical question.  I only have a vague impression of how conflict between the two has been handled.

batman always cheats, pretty much
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2013, 12:19:05 AM
i mean, he'll use his supernatural powers of boy scout preparedness to coat his fists with kryptonite dust and do the civilian bomb thing or whatever because he's so paranoid superman might thump him, but he won't just cut off the joker's hands and feet

i think he wants to fuck the joker worse than joker wants to fuck him

it's the lipstick, gotta be
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Mandark on July 22, 2013, 12:21:18 AM
I always thought Superman would be more appealing if he had been born really really fucking stupid. Like not an actual distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, but about as smart as drew.

The no guns policy would definitely cause some friction between Bats and Drewperman.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2013, 12:21:22 AM
basically fuck batman, nowadays he's a more ridiculous character than that superhorse they used to have flying around
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2013, 12:28:18 AM
who is the ted mcginley of the xmen
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2013, 12:41:54 AM
Cannonball = Chachi?
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2013, 12:43:04 AM
Moira MacTaggert = Mrs. C
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Mandark on July 22, 2013, 12:48:46 AM
i mean, he'll use his supernatural powers of boy scout preparedness to coat his fists with kryptonite dust and do the civilian bomb thing or whatever because he's so paranoid superman might thump him, but he won't just cut off the joker's hands and feet

I might not even call that cheating.  Batman's superpowers are his paranoia, obsessive-compulsive tendencies, and his giant trust fund.  Taking those away would be like taking away the Earth's yellow Sun from Supes, unless they've changed that too.

I know what has and what hasn't happened, but I think it's okay to give my take on what happened, how it happened, and whether or not it stretches plausibility within the rules of the fiction. That alright with you?

Well sure!  Though calling out a particular movie/comic/whatever for being internally consistent is a bit different from the old Who Would Win game.

I mean, your points about mixing heroes with different power levels and Batman doing fine with street-level adventures are well-taken.  But that first post about how you just can't take people seriously when they make the wrong bet on Hypothetical Superhero MMA?  C'mon now.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Himu on July 22, 2013, 12:50:15 AM
I didn't watch Happy Days growing up.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 22, 2013, 12:52:06 AM
Nobody wants to see that kind of Thor in a movie, Momo. Literally nobody except maybe the most hardcore comic stans.
Oh, it would be a shitty Green Ranger candle-esq movie indeed. The point i was faffing around is, people who accept that kind of stuff really have no business criticizing Batman vs Superman, you guys are the folk who enable stuff like this. For the record I think both (physical) fights are bullshit

Do you not see the vast difference between these scenarios?

In one, you'd have an unaugmented human being physically defeating a man who can fly, lift jumbo-jets, and shrug off direct hits from missiles.

In the other, you have a guy in a super-powerful robot suit whose strength is never really quantified holding his own against a guy with super-advanced alien armor and weaponry whose strength is also never really quantified.

Batman physically holding his own against Superman without the help of Kryptonite or some mechanized armor suit is stupid, because there's no conceivable way that they could be physical equals. Iron Man physically holding his own against Thor is perfectly fine in this movie-verse, because it's easy to conceive of them as being equals.

You sound like a goddamn special fellow carrying on like this.
Whatever you want to say to justify things you like I guess :larry
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2013, 12:53:30 AM
also we have to find analogues for (and these count since they were crossover characters):

Laverne and Shirley
Mork from Ork

and if we're doing Laverne & Shirley, we have to do Lenny and Squiggy and the rest of the cast of that show, since they are a part of the shared Happy Days/Laverne & Shirley Universe much like X-Men and X-factor

The Big Ragu = Longshot
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Post by: Mandark on July 22, 2013, 12:57:30 AM
and if we're doing Laverne & Shirley, we have to do Lenny and Squiggy and the rest of the cast of that show, since they are a part of the shared Happy Days/Laverne & Shirley Universe much like X-Men and X-factor

http://www.slushfactory.com/content/EpupypyZAZTDOLwdfz.php
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Post by: Himu on July 22, 2013, 12:58:24 AM
leave x-factor out of this :(
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Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2013, 01:03:53 AM
I didn't watch Happy Days growing up.

Poor child.

What about Brady Bunch?
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Post by: Himu on July 22, 2013, 01:05:14 AM
Of course.

I'm still waiting for that cbs Brady Bunch reboot. Hopefully it has no laugh track and is more in line with the movies.
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Post by: Momo on July 22, 2013, 01:18:20 AM
I hope they do a decent rendition of Wonder Woman :fbm
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Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2013, 01:26:48 AM
Of course.

I'm still waiting for that cbs Brady Bunch reboot. Hopefully it has no laugh track and is more in line with the movies.

:bow Brady Bunch :bow

:bow2 Brady movies :bow2

Hey Jan, let's go knock over a 7 Eleven.
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Post by: Momo on July 22, 2013, 01:50:08 AM
I'd like a Prince Valiant reboot done in the style of Vagabond. It's nice to want things that wont happen :fbm
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Post by: Himu on July 22, 2013, 01:54:15 AM
Of course.

I'm still waiting for that cbs Brady Bunch reboot. Hopefully it has no laugh track and is more in line with the movies.

:bow Brady Bunch :bow

:bow2 Brady movies :bow2

Hey Jan, let's go knock over a 7 Eleven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5GZRnJTO5E

:lol
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Post by: Himu on July 22, 2013, 01:59:00 AM
Holy shit, Vince Vaughn is doing the new Brady Bunch series? Not sure if good or bad.

Fucking hell, the new Brady Bunch is multi-camera. GODDAMIT.
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Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2013, 02:19:24 AM
Of course.

I'm still waiting for that cbs Brady Bunch reboot. Hopefully it has no laugh track and is more in line with the movies.

:bow Brady Bunch :bow

:bow2 Brady movies :bow2

Hey Jan, let's go knock over a 7 Eleven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5GZRnJTO5E

:lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEw7dN28nrU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_bnlkaEss

:lol
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Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2013, 02:19:48 AM
Holy shit, Vince Vaughn is doing the new Brady Bunch series? Not sure if good or bad.

Fucking hell, the new Brady Bunch is multi-camera. GODDAMIT.

I didn't even know they were making a new one.
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Post by: Himu on July 22, 2013, 03:59:19 AM
Jane > Marsha

Goddamit, why did the new series have to multi-cam. Fucking GOD DAMMIT. I bet it won't be anything like the movies either.
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Post by: Yeti on July 22, 2013, 08:14:54 AM
Jan is a whiny bitch, even with all the prep time and kryptonite in the world she couldn't take out Marsha.
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Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2013, 11:17:37 AM
Jan is a whiny bitch, even with all the prep time and kryptonite in the world she couldn't take out Marsha.

All it takes is one football to the shnoz and Marsha's out of commission faster than you can say Darkseid.
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Post by: hampster on July 22, 2013, 11:20:13 AM
They'll make anything to avoid making a Batman Beyond movie :'(
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Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2013, 11:26:41 AM
Quote
It’s official that we are going to make another Superman movie. And you say, Zack, what is the movie about? But you don’t want me to tell you that. You want to go and see the movie. But I can say that maybe there’s a single element that will be in the film that I could… help you out with. I was thinking about how to do that. I pored through the DC Universe to look for a way to tell this thing. We’re writing the thing now, but I came across a thing I found that’ll help you understand it.

And then Harry Lennix read this line, from Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns: “I want you to remember, Clark, in all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember your hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you.” That’s Batman speaking to Superman from the end of Miller’s story, and that quote blew the roof off Hall H.

Snyder said “we’re not adapting this thing, but it is the thing that will help us tell that story.” So while the logo he showed on screen, pictured above, uses the bat logo design from Miller’s work, this won’t quite be a direct adaptation.

"thing" :derp

GRAET RITING
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Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Calling Batman a thing is a good start for this movie.

Could replace it with "gimmick" and it wouldn't be out of place.
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Post by: Himu on July 22, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
I was speaking of looks. Jane > Marsha
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Post by: Mupepe on July 23, 2013, 11:43:16 AM
He has to be trolling
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Post by: Himu on July 23, 2013, 12:08:53 PM
liquidsnake is gay, so probably not
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Post by: Mupepe on July 23, 2013, 12:39:34 PM
I loved TDKR, but that dude is nuts.  NUTS. 
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Post by: Himu on July 23, 2013, 12:49:52 PM
:lol
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Post by: Tasty on July 23, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
BB was toooooooons of fun.

Then TDK became a gritty crime drama.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2013, 09:20:34 PM
TDKR is a legit meh movie, no shame in admitting it fellas.

TDK was great, and I found it to be pretty damn fun despite the gloomy tone.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2013, 09:25:39 PM
I must have missed the memo where all super hero movies had to be happy fun time
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Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2013, 09:49:07 PM
I think the lesson from that is more "make better movies" than "be less grimdark."  There have been plenty of lighthearted superhero movies and it's not like they're immune to sucking hard.
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Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2013, 10:05:14 PM
I get that perspective; it's a unique kind of annoying.  But I'd be lying if I said I actually had any fun watching The Fantastic Four or Transformers.
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Post by: Himu on July 23, 2013, 10:07:12 PM
I don't really care either way if a movie is serious or lighthearted so as I find it enjoyable, and as flawed as the Batman trilogy was in regards to communicating ideas about freedom and other shit, they were ultimately high quality super hero films.
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Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2013, 10:08:45 PM
I saw Transformers in the theatre as a social thing.  The only point where I had any hope was when John Turturro showed up.  "Well, I always like this guy, no matter what movie he's in!"  Then they had a giant robot whizz on him.

 :maf
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2013, 10:11:14 PM
I don't really care either way if a movie is serious or lighthearted so as I find it enjoyable, and as flawed as the Batman trilogy was in regards to communicating ideas about freedom and other shit, they were ultimately high quality super hero films.

I'm with Himuro here.  I can get where Nolan's movies might not be someone's cup of tea though, but whatever.  As long as you're not gonna go on a Jarosh/Cloudwalking troll spree, we cool.
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Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2013, 10:22:48 PM
My problem with these discussions is that they inevitably turn into Team Grimdark vs. Team Cereal Mascot.  Which I think happens because so many nerds yearned for some gritty comic book movies (especially for Batman), and a lot of them put even more importance on the tone because having an "adult" movie wouldn't just match their tastes, but validate their hobby by showing it wasn't for kids.  So now we've had several somewhat mopey/growley superhero flicks and there's a backlash.

But as an argument it bogs down into the usual tiresome internet stuff so goddamn quickly.  Especially when there are always plenty of interesting things to waste time talking about, even when the movies themselves are not so great.
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Post by: Himu on July 23, 2013, 10:44:05 PM
I don't really care either way if a movie is serious or lighthearted so as I find it enjoyable, and as flawed as the Batman trilogy was in regards to communicating ideas about freedom and other shit, they were ultimately high quality super hero films.

I agree with your premise, I just didn't find TDKR enjoyable.  Dark Knight, sure.  Batman Begins, sure.  TDKR just wasn't up to snuff plotwise, character-wise, and it took itself dreadfully seriously.  There was no enjoyment in it for me, just watching the clock and waiting for the insufferable thing to lurch to a conclusion.

CoG: Yeah, I largely keep it to myself.  I know other people dig them, and in spite of what some might think, I don't actively enjoy pissing on people's fun.  I mean, except on weekends.  And bank holidays.

I can completely understand why someone would find TDKR flying a bit too close to the sun. It is pretentious. I'm not sure how anyone who enjoys the film could argue it's not.
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Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2013, 10:44:26 PM
Hell, I only really have patience for benjipwns these days, and he's buggered off God knows where.  I've just lost the thrill of forum thrust-and-parry.  It's a young man's game.

* Bequeaths his arguing hat to anyone but PD.
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Post by: Himu on July 23, 2013, 10:47:30 PM
For what it's worth, I love Rises wholly for its "rise" arc. I am a sucker for "the hero falls and has to save himself from the darkness" stories and I think TDKR nailed it. So there's that.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 23, 2013, 10:50:26 PM
TDKR is a success because the title ends up being about JGL's rise to become Batman! He literally rises at the end of the movie! THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

IT'S BRILLIANT.
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Post by: Himu on July 23, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
:lol
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Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2013, 10:53:44 PM
I think a big part of why the pacing was so off and the movie felt bloated was that they packed in too much big life turning points for Bruce Wayne.  He's gone into retirement as Batman!  But now he's back to catch a sexy thief!  But now he's crippled!  But now he's dragging himself back up again!

One of the benefits of having already done an origin story is that you can hit the ground running, like they did with TDK.  Giving the hero a big motivational breakthrough at the beginning and again in the middle of the movie is probably not going to be a good idea.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2013, 11:12:28 PM
TDKR is a success because the title ends up being about JGL's rise to become Batman! He literally rises at the end of the movie! THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

IT'S BRILLIANT.

It's so poetic it rhymes
:rejoice
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 23, 2013, 11:18:19 PM
On a whole TDKR is a superior film to me because there's an actual arc to Batman's character. In TDK he doesn't really struggle with anything and at the end he's the same as when he started. TDK is pretty much anchored by Heath's performance for the most part, it lacks in most other elements. TDKR is bloated and pretentious, yes, but it also has a better told story with actual themes that are represented in different ways throughout.

And again, the ending. I'm not trolling. When JGL stepped on that pedestal and it started to RISE I was floored.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 23, 2013, 11:39:43 PM
They should just make some more Batman TAS.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2013, 11:52:22 PM
I personally would rank the movies TDK>BB>TDKR.  Maybe BB and TDKR are about the same, I dunno.  Full disclosure: the Batmen/Xmen comics were what I primarily read as a kid, so I've always had a soft spot for the film adaptations.  Especially since the whole Bane/Azrael arc happened during my last two years of high school. 

And yeah, I'm totally and unabashedly on Team Grimdark, and no fucks are given.  I know lots of other people like comics for different reasons and enjoy reading lighthearted blah blah blah whatever, but I never got into that.  Yes, I watched the 60's Batman tv series as a kid and enjoyed it, but didn't love it.  I like comedy and shit like that fine, but not with my superheroes, kthxplzbye.
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Post by: Mandark on July 24, 2013, 12:13:35 AM
Batman TAS actually had a mandate from Fox to lighten up a bit, after which the episodes became more colorful and Robin-heavy.  So that debate's been going on at least 20 years.

The DCAU is the main reason I think a Batman-Superman movie could potentially be very good, but I haven't seen Man of Steel yet.  An angsty, alienated Superman wouldn't be the natural foil to Batman that slightly pompous, boy scout Superman is.
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Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2013, 12:31:28 AM
Keep in mind Oscar has said in the past that Batman to him is the one from the 40's/OG comics, so it's kind of a different viewpoint from anyone raised post-TDK Returns/Batman 89/TAS. When my father thinks of Batman, 90% of it is the Adam West TV show.

Rises has tons of problems, but one I feel has been overplayed is the whole "Batman isn't Batman!" in it. Like people say Batman taking 8 years off is a contradiction of the character. Batman retired in TDK Returns and Batman Beyond, and it was a central part of Mask of the Phantasm and several comic arcs. The problem is they kinda bungled the writing and made the reason 100% Rachel's death instead of a heavier or more believable angle.

Still, it was damn cool seeing bits of No Man's Land, Knightfall, and TDK Returns in a big budget Batman movie. Goyer knows his comics, I just wish they wouldn't let him near the scripts.

BB>TDK>TDKR
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Post by: Mandark on July 24, 2013, 12:41:08 AM
I think I said in the original TDKR thread that Bruce Wayne makes a lot more sense in that movie if you think of him as a sort of emo trust funder.  His relationship with Rachel objectively wasn't a romance for the ages, but he wants it to be and can prove it to himself by being a full-time mourner for the better part of a decade.  I don't think that's the intent, but I do think it's more coherent that way.

Plus, ostentatiously disproportional reactions to traumatic losses are right in his wheelhouse.
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Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2013, 12:52:49 AM
It's a bit more justifiable if you buy the "Rachel was the way out for Batman" angle definitively. But it's still kinda weak. Plus as mentioned, it dicks the story over to have Batman crippled and out of action, come back, then basically go right back to being crippled and out of action.
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Post by: Mandark on July 24, 2013, 12:57:43 AM
My reading is she wasn't his way out, but he builds her up as that posthumously.  Waiting for a woman to "save" you is the favorite pastime of the self-romanticizing manchild.

I realize I'm basically making a case for Batman as a Zach Braff character, but for TDKR it totally fits.




PS Triumph had the correct rankings.
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Post by: Himu on July 24, 2013, 02:54:07 AM
i don't understand how anyone can put BB over TDK.

TDK > BB > TDKR easily
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2013, 08:55:50 AM
The only real problem with BB is that Katie Holmes was so incredibly annoying.
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Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2013, 11:22:56 AM
i don't understand how anyone can put BB over TDK.

TDK > BB > TDKR easily

First 70% was basically straight Year One except somehow even better, that's how. And Bruce had an actual arc. You have to wait like an hour to even see Batman but when he finally, finally shows up and says "I'm Batman" it's like the best moment in a comic book movie ever.

Plus dat final scene. "Leaves a calling card." "I never thanked you." "And you'll never have to." :rejoice
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Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2013, 11:25:54 AM
Oh I know, and that's fine. I know Nolantards who won't admit that Batman(1989) or Batman Returns were great movies, even though they most assuredly were and still are.

89 is kinda quaint today but it gets by on Burton's excellent gothic Gotham sensibilities. Not very rewatchable IMO.

Returns I go back and forth on. The "Penguin for Mayor" shit is downright terrible and would be awful in any movie. But the gothic Christmas aesthetic was cool and Catwoman was handled very very well.

And plus, well, Batman kills people. Like straight out. Might as well give him a gun.
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Post by: Raban on July 24, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
When I walked out of TDKR with considerably less satisfaction than I had after seeing The Avengers, I realized that I've begun to prefer the more light-hearted summer blockbuster movie. It makes for a more tonally consistent experience. Batman Begins had, for the most part, more grounded special effects and stunts to match its dour mood. The Dark Knight Rises was really laughable about this, having one scene where Bruce and Alfred cry at each other and then ending the movie with Batman
spoiler (click to show/hide)
swinging a super-bomb around on a tow cable coming out of his CGI hovercraft, before riding it into the sunset :lol
[close]
This kind of thing would not only be tolerable, but at home in a movie like The Avengers or Pacific Rim, where spectacular shit is popping off every minute. It doesn't make as much sense to have it in a movie that's trying to be emotionally gripping.
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Post by: Eric P on July 24, 2013, 12:04:23 PM
this thread is making me really happy i didn't see dkr
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Post by: Yeti on July 24, 2013, 01:07:49 PM
I haven't seen it either but I did buy it on blu ray.  My anticipation has been kind of killed off.  :-\
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Post by: Himu on July 24, 2013, 01:11:31 PM
Batman Returns was terrible.

shut the fuck up
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
I just don't get how people play the "bad movie" card on Nolan's Batman flicks.  First of all, they're summer movies.  Second, they're super hero movies.  Accepting those two things, the bar is pretty fucking low, people.  In spite of that, they're pretty decent!  I'm sorry if you don't leave the theater with a warm fuzzy feeling and want to go play with puppies n shit, but I left 3 times having seen Batman be a badass, and that's all I really wanted to see.

You fucking people, Jesus.
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Post by: Himu on July 24, 2013, 01:16:34 PM
You......PEOPLE?!

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/bdc745944b85c3db03a7162e6e2dabbe/tumblr_mm3ffrgqoo1s85q99o1_250.gif)
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2013, 01:17:37 PM
 :shaq
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Post by: Steve Contra on July 24, 2013, 03:03:46 PM
The Nolan movies are each an hour too long, and the third is still a colossal mess. 
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2013, 03:10:39 PM
The Nolan movies are each an hour too long, and the third is still a colossal mess.

I don't necessarily disagree with any of those statements, but I still enjoyed them for what they were. :yeshrug

For all their faults, with the way movies are made in America, I just don't see better Batman movies being made.  Movies we deserve, not that we need, blah blah blah.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 24, 2013, 03:17:39 PM
Every Nolan Batman movie...hell, every Nolan movie period outside of Memento has poor editing.  Some shit just doesn't make sense sometimes, and they never address something that seems to garner more information due to how it was edited.  That scene in Wayne's penthouse in TDK is the biggest culprit I can think of.

Regardless, they're great superhero flicks, and great movies altogether despite pacing and editing problems.
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Post by: Raban on July 24, 2013, 03:18:04 PM
I'm with you for the most part, Triumph. I didn't hate any of the Baleman movies, and I wouldn't call them bad; but I was really bored during most of TDKR. The scenes with Hardy though :heartbeat
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2013, 03:22:27 PM
TDKR admittedly has shitty pacing; it's a large part of why I rank it last despite having probably the best action sequences in the series.  And yeah, a large part of the plot is typical summer movie dumb shit (the stock market thing Oscar touched on earlier as the biggest example) but it does have a really good story arc.  It's just kind of like listening to a slightly drunk person tell that story. :P
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Post by: bork on July 24, 2013, 04:10:17 PM
TDKR admittedly has shitty pacing; it's a large part of why I rank it last despite having probably the best action sequences in the series.  And yeah, a large part of the plot is typical summer movie dumb shit (the stock market thing Oscar touched on earlier as the biggest example) but it does have a really good story arc.  It's just kind of like listening to a slightly drunk person tell that story. :P

Looking back, I think Batman Begins is the best of the Nolan trilogy, with the best pacing and villains.  I liked TDR but it dragged on for a bit at the end, and the TKDR was a pacing nightmare as you already said.  I liked the movie, but I don't think I'd ever want to re-watch it.

Don't care about The Man Of Steel.  The old Superman movies never did much for me and Superman Returns was garbage.  I don't need to see Superman's origin retold 800 times with different actors and Zod in Superman II was enough.
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Post by: Eric P on July 24, 2013, 04:26:08 PM
i really didn't like the batman movies.
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Post by: Himu on July 24, 2013, 04:28:39 PM
Silver Spoon > TDKR
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Post by: Eric P on July 24, 2013, 04:31:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aRr2td6nYk
Rat Pfink a Boo Boo > BB
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2013, 05:16:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aRr2td6nYk
Rat Pfink a Boo Boo > BB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0TXp5lRaYk

Wild World of Batwoman > TDK
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Post by: Himu on July 24, 2013, 07:06:17 PM
batman returns OWNS. Great movie
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Post by: Himu on July 24, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
Yup. I watched Batman 89 and Returns a few years back.

89 sucks now. I have no clue why we thought that was a good movie back then. I was obsessed with that film when it came out and loved it very much. I liked Returns too.

after my rewatch, Returns kicks the absolute shit out of 89 in terms of pacing, villains, story, cinematography. Everything.

Returns is my favorite Batman movie at this point.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2013, 09:05:06 PM
I just don't get how people play the "bad movie" card on Nolan's Batman flicks.  First of all, they're summer movies.  Second, they're super hero movies.  Accepting those two things, the bar is pretty fucking low, people.  In spite of that, they're pretty decent!  I'm sorry if you don't leave the theater with a warm fuzzy feeling and want to go play with puppies n shit, but I left 3 times having seen Batman be a badass, and that's all I really wanted to see.

You fucking people, Jesus.

The film equivalent of the Final Fantasy 13 defence, and from CoG of all people.

There are no heroes.  :fbm

I'm not the hero you need, I'm the hero you deserve.  :shaq
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
My opinion of 89 was lesser after rewatching it.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 24, 2013, 10:16:55 PM
Adored Batman and Batman Returns. Thought the Nolan trilogy was poo.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2013, 01:03:57 AM
Like I said, Returns is a'ight but holy shit that awful Mayor Penguin plotpoint (why did Burton take the dumbest part of '89 and expand on it? (Joker giving out money and him suddenly being completely embraced by the idiot people.))
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 25, 2013, 01:22:56 AM
Like I said, Returns is a'ight but holy shit that awful Mayor Penguin plotpoint (why did Burton take the dumbest part of '89 and expand on it? (Joker giving out money and him suddenly being completely embraced by the idiot people.))
True. I mean you totally embrace Nintendo and they dont give out a cent.


 :shaq

Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 25, 2013, 01:48:43 AM
plus catwoman's dumbass origin story
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 25, 2013, 01:54:46 AM
I thought Penguin  bought into and was used by Christopher Walken. It's only when CH left him and he was disgraced by Batman did he do his "kidnap the first born thing". He had been planning it though because earlier in the film he collected the information on who Gothom's first borns where. But at first I believe he was just trying to actually because Mayor for whatever nefarious reasons.

I just love Returns because of how batshit insane it is. You got horny  Penguin, Christopher Walken, stupid extreme feminist Catwoman who's insane, creepy Batman who kills someone, and that cool Burton look. It's just entertaining to me. 
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 30, 2013, 12:13:00 AM
just saw man of steel.  very good.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Momo on July 30, 2013, 01:58:10 AM
just saw man of steel.  very good.
You've always liked abstract things though
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Diunx on July 30, 2013, 05:48:23 PM
I still can't believe WB is putting all their superheroes eggs in the Snyder/Goyer basket, what the fuck are they thinking?
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2013, 06:00:08 PM
I still can't believe WB is putting all their superheroes eggs in the Snyder/Goyer basket, what the fuck are they thinking?

Man of Steel is doing pretty decent numbers worldwide, way better than the last Superman movie.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Yeti on July 30, 2013, 09:19:59 PM
I still can't believe WB is putting all their superheroes eggs in the Snyder/Goyer basket, what the fuck are they thinking?

Green Lantern, lol
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Diunx on July 30, 2013, 09:44:17 PM
Movie was terrible except for some of the Smallville fight.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 31, 2013, 01:38:20 AM
I really feel the people hating MoS are from the "trying too hard: crowd.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2013, 01:42:54 AM
Probably cause that's how everyone feels they hear something they like getting trashed.  "Bah, these guys must have some ulterior motive."
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: cool breeze on July 31, 2013, 02:21:46 AM
tbh, I like that it's a largely divisive movie.  stuff like green lantern and marvel's non-iron man movies are too dull to get a passionate response from either side.  plus, as someone who falls in the middle, I can only hope they listen to the criticism and do better next time.  In the words of Snyder, "c'mon, a thing about this thing would be a cooler thing if stuff and, you know, things were to happen with the thing."


also, Barry Allen Flash is going to be on the Arrow TV show and spin-off into a Flash TV show and might be linked with the movies.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Eric P on August 01, 2013, 08:16:18 AM
Report: FRANK MILLER Meeting with Zack Snyder to Talk SUPERMAN vs BATMAN Movie

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Turns out, writer/artist Frank Miller noticed. According to a report by The Independent, Miller "had no idea the announcement was going to happen." But now that he knows, "he's going to be meeting up with Zack in the next few days to go over the plans for the Superman film." Now, take it with a grain of salt as the quote comes from "a source close to Miller," but it does seem likely that Snyder, a self-professed longtime fan of Miller and of Superman in general, would go to someone who so deftly told the tale of these two heroes' greatest clash. Whether the possible consultation will take on any kind of official role, or will just amount to a single lunchtime conversation, remains to be seen. The two of course worked together before - Snyder wrote and directed the big screen adaptation of 300, another comic written and drawn by Miller.

Snyder can also look a little closer to his Man of Steel team for help - Jay Oliva, who provided storyboard art for the movie and helped Snyder block out some of its major action sequences, also directed The Dark Knight Returns part 1 & 2, the two-part animated adaptation of Miller's story that came to Blu-ray and DVD in 2012. Oliva also directed Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox and the upcoming Justice League: War, in addition to storyboards for most of the modern DC Animated films featuring the two heroes.
Title: Re: #Banabyte Man of Steel 2 (2015) - Supes AND Bats.
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2013, 12:13:27 PM
Does anyone really trust Frank Miller to turn out anything worthwhile these days?