THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Stoney Mason on July 27, 2013, 02:48:31 PM
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is it true he's just trolling?
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is it true he's just trolling?
Who honestly knows (or cares). But I'm not really sure trolling is the correct term when most people already consider you a shitbag. There needs to be a better applicable term.
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Whatever, who cares, fuck him.
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The twitter salvos in that second thread started off fairly reasonable, then Fish went off the rails.
Full broadside:
(http://i.imgur.com/xPu9fff.png)
and then the breakdown:
(http://i.imgur.com/bCdgM63.png)
And then Fez 2 is canceled. Ho boy.
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There's few things more despicable than a thin skinned troll.
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The twitter salvos in that second thread started off fairly reasonable, then Fish went off the rails.
Full broadside:
(http://i.imgur.com/xPu9fff.png)
I guess its a generational thing but its hilarious to me that a person could think twitter is a real forum worthy of throwing a shit fit on.
Fez was a good game to me. It's over-rated but then so are most indie flavor of the moment games.
And a lot of devs are dicks in real life. Twitter has seemingly just given them the freedom to display that dickishness in a somewhat public forum.
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Seems like that Markus Beer fellow who started this off is a cunt himself though. You're not going to comment on this 2nd hand rumour? Well fuck you then! Cue disparaging video.
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i don't understand why anyone cares about phil fish
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Seems like that Markus Beer fellow who started this off is a cunt himself though. You're not going to comment on this 2nd hand rumour? Well fuck you then! Cue disparaging video.
He probably is but I'm happy he did it just to set off this little shit fest.
i don't understand why anyone cares about phil fish
Because DRAMA!
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Indie Drama.
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i don't understand why anyone cares about phil fish
I don't, but all the stupid shit he said was enough for me not to bother with Fez.
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It's internet drama. He delivers reliably. The story writes itself, too. "Phil Fish said a thing, look! Look!" The reactions to him (especially on Twitter) are much more revealing and entertaining than his demeanor.
D'aww, some wisdom from Jim Sterling:
Phil Fish ragequit Twitter. Your thoughts?
I am fond of both Phil and Marcus, the latter of which I would consider a pretty solid media chum at this point. Speaking as a guy who used to get into the same kind of twitter fights those guys get into, all I could say is I hope they mellow out, the pair of them, because there's no long-term satisfaction or happiness to be gained from one-upping people on Twitter. You just get more frustrated, lash out more, and make more people have fights with you.
Neither of them need my advice, but again, speaking as a guy who used to get himself into these sort of slanging matches on the regular, all I can say is I'm 100% happier and less stressed out professionally now that I go out of my way to avoid people who want to have fights (or just retweet the funny ones so *other people* go and fight them while I block them). It can be difficult not to bite back, and I still even find myself engaging it for a while now and then, but on the whole, mellowing out and learning not to step into the shit heap when I know, deep down, that's exactly what I'm stepping into (and you always *really* know), was one of the best things I did for my long-term job satisfaction and overall happiness in what I do.
In any case, I wish the best for Phil and Marcus both. I've never had cause to dislike either of them personally and it's a shame they used their weekend for this.
http://ask.fm/JimSterling/answer/58261446642
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i don't understand why anyone cares about phil fish
Compare your life to his then kill yourself.
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I wonder if he ever has these outbursts in person and if he tears up half-way through.
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feels good not having any idea who this guy is, what Fez is, etc. PC gaming master race
:rejoice
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feels good not having any idea who this guy is, what Fez is, etc. PC gaming master race
:rejoice
It would also help if you actually played games. :shaq
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You're in luck, it's out on PC, as well!
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feels good not having any idea who this guy is, what Fez is, etc. PC gaming master race
:rejoice
fez is on the pc
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feels good not having any idea who this guy is, what Fez is, etc. PC gaming master race
:rejoice
fez is on the pc
had no idea. I'm completely oblivious to bullshit
:rejoice
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Its always amusing to walk into the aftermath of some dumb twitter/internet meltdown and see a bunch of random people who weren't involved offering commentary, opinions and life advice. I know it's the weekend but do you really not have better stuff to do?
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feels good not having any idea who this guy is, what Fez is, etc. PC gaming master race
:rejoice
(http://i.minus.com/iRhnq44YSiue6.gif)
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FEZ is better than most of the games you losers love.
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http://polytroncorporation.com/fez-ii-cancelled#comments
blood in the water
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Is that Andy Kaufman in his twtter pic?
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Indie Drama.
Bollywood
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Someone please tell me you have the response to this (https://twitter.com/AnnoyedGamer/status/361180186483494912) that Phil's locked twitter account links to? I really want to know what he said to get the realtalk turned on him there.
Also, /v/ :lol: (http://i.imgur.com/yU9FsC2.png)
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73244976&postcount=990
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Is that Andy Kaufman in his twtter pic?
why yes. yes it is.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuDqraUlUcM
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73244976&postcount=990
:bow Joe :bow2
Lmao at that post. :rofl
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More people are talking about Phil Fish and FEZ today than yesterday, so mission accomplished.
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see ya dude; good luck being such a crybaby brat in the real world
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Never played Fez, but I never will so I can say horrible, mean-spirited things about Fish with no basis in experience, because apparently that will make him crazier
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Phil, I don’t know if you’re reading this, and a part of me hopes you aren’t because of these jerks trying to hurt your feelings, but here goes.
You are without a doubt the greatest creative mind this industry has ever seen. Every word you’ve ever spoken has been laced with the water of hearty truth, and you’re not afraid to speak your mind just because some online trolls deem it unsuitable. The industry simply wasn’t ready for a man of your claliber, and, if this recent debacle is any indication, I doubt that they ever will be.
You rock, man. Fez was the greatest game I have ever played, and ever day that goes by from this point forward, I’ll always retain a small glimmer of hope that you die you pathetic fucking manchild. Fez was insanely derivative and a pretty poor offering besides. You are one of the most unpleasant people it has ever been my displeasure to share a planet with. The gaming industry and Canada would be better places if you just fucking hanged yourself already you childish, arrogant cunt.
Suck my dick.
Choke on it.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73244976&postcount=990
:dead
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Phil Fish is the new Inetta the Moodsetta
:omg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=500deEeCOcA
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and apparently gaf is defending this guy because he is mentally ill and can say whatever he wants!
::)
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Internet, why won't you give me unconditional love?
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Everyone who thinks this quebecer is going to leave the industry please raise your hands.
*turns on laser beam*
*screaming*
You distinguished mentally-challenged fellows weren't going to do anything useful with your hands anyway.
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(http://i.imgur.com/Kdo5Nzf.jpg)
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He's a smug bitch, but oh so worth Fish ragequitting.
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That'd be pretty sweet if Fish ragequit life instead of just the gaming industry but we're going to end up with neither.
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Hah. What a silly bitch.
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he sucks. and the internet sucks. and people on the internet sucks
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he sucks. and the internet sucks. and people on the internet sucks
This is a fairly accurate description of the state of things
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Someone please tell me you have the response to this (https://twitter.com/AnnoyedGamer/status/361180186483494912) that Phil's locked twitter account links to? I really want to know what he said to get the realtalk turned on him there.
Also, /v/ :lol: (http://i.imgur.com/yU9FsC2.png)
Oh god I want to make that my avatar EVERYWHERE/
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FEZ is better than most of the games you losers love.
Can't argue with such compelling arguments.
You're the last person who should compl...
http://i.imgur.com/5nlo51al.png
http://i.imgur.com/qfnkm4Yl.png
...ain.
Stunning lack of self-awareness, the both of you. Amusing.
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I remember that Jeff Vogel (the Spiderweb RPG guy) said that one of the important things about marketing as an indie dev is just to be a nice guy and not offend people. It was the sort of thing that made me realize how many people just can't do that. I never cared about FEZ because Phil Fish is an asshole and I don't want to put money in his pockets.
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If only Molyneux was this easy to drive away.
:'(
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in retrospect, Denis Dyack looks like a guy with thick skin.
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in retrospect, Denis Dyack looks like a guy with thick skin.
That's because Dyack was always, and remains, in it for the money. He'll take loads of shit if he can just keep taking people's money. Fish, for all his other faults, apparently is wired differently.
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I don't believe that about Dyack. I dunno, something about him seems earnestly creative, even if I don't really care for him as a person. Molyneux's the same way.
Also both Dyack and Fish are Canadian. Just what are the Canucks doing up there...
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This all controversy has made me want to pirate Fez to see what all the fuss is about.
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ok that desire passed, gonna keep playing Mount & Blade.
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This all controversy has made me want to pirate Fez to see what all the fuss is about.
fez it's just an artsy fartsy game meet a collectathon,i couldn't stand it for more than 5 minutes
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Aren't the cryptic puzzles at the end supposed to be what elevates it above that simple premise?
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Also both Dyack and Fish are Canadian. Just what are the Canucks doing up there...
Fish is Quebec personified. He's a unique flower who demands attention from the rows upon rows of dandelions surrounding him. But once he gets attention, he's shocked that the dandelions shoot their seed at him.
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Man, everybody seems to hate Quebec and French Canadians.
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BUY SKULLS OF THE SHOGUN, NOW ON STEAM
I'LL GIVE YOU A HUG
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Sho you need to it like this :
"Have you seen my dick? it's huge - i'm a sexual panther, you guys are all stale prawn cocks. Wait till you see my game, it's a revolution of the soul and mind and if you don't like it then that probably means you bum people in the gob. $XX is filthy poor levels anyways - if you can't afford that, then i don't want the stale smell of your failed gene pool anywhere near my master piece - you know what Mona Lisa was smirking at? She was watching Citizen Kane on an old tv but she could see someone playing Skulls in the tv glass reflection. etc etc"
just dial it up to 11
Actually - just get involved "here at <name> we think it's important to let us know how you feel - buy X copies of GAMEY and we'll pay to have Fish bricked up into a building of your choice."
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:lol
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PC master race :gaben
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Nice doucheburns
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Indie games are cool and can lead to some cool, outside the box experiences, for sure. And it's nice for developers to have an avenue to utilize for getting more niche stuff out there.
BUT. There really is something to be said of forcing people to work in a structured environment where they have to shut the fuck up and do what they're fucking told sometimes, isn't there?
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I saw Fez and then passed on it because it looked like another boring 16 bit indie platformer with special snowflake jizz drizzled all over it
was i right
There's a huge 'end-game' puzzle marathon, where you can decode a cipher, among other things. Haven't played it myself, but that seems to be why it's so popular.
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I saw Fez and then passed on it because it looked like another boring 16 bit indie platformer with special snowflake jizz drizzled all over it
was i right
There's a huge 'end-game' puzzle marathon, where you can decode a cipher, among other things. Haven't played it myself, but that seems to be why it's so popular.
Then once you solve it, you find out that you've been building a nuclear bomb all along omg! :euphoric
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Read this and then realize you're smart for never giving Phil Fish a penny of your money [unless you already did]:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/04/why-it-took-almost-a-week-for-the-world-to-completely-finish-fez/2/
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I actually like that. 100% completion is a waste of time regardless of what the reward is, even if it is something as 'meaningful' as the last achievement or something. I'm not sure what the people who spend their time on it were expecting. "Thank you for playing" wouldn't haven been much better, but maybe that's just me.
Shame it's not an actual puzzle though. Or has someone since found out a way to actually solve it?
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I hope this guy is trying to be Andy Kaufman. If not, dude has serious issues and needs to get his shit figured out.
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He certainly has an Andy Kaufman type hairdo.
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I saw Fez and then passed on it because it looked like another boring 16 bit indie platformer with special snowflake jizz drizzled all over it
was i right
There's a huge 'end-game' puzzle marathon, where you can decode a cipher, among other things. Haven't played it myself, but that seems to be why it's so popular.
Then once you solve it, you find out that you've been building a nuclear bomb all along omg! :euphoric
Gantz :rejoice
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He certainly has an Andy Kaufman type hairdo.
My good friend who is an extremely sane and polite game developer, has similar mutton chops.
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Read this and then realize you're smart for never giving Phil Fish a penny of your money [unless you already did]:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/04/why-it-took-almost-a-week-for-the-world-to-completely-finish-fez/2/
yeah i knew of fez code because guacamelee has one of those hidden in the cathedral
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6130441&postcount=513
ive been bi-polar all my life.
altho i dont KNOW, i dont think the guy could have actually pull the trigger on anybody.
it takes a special kind of person to do that.
but it really just takes a poor little depressed dude to SAY things like that.
it was hella stupid on his part to say things like that, especially using the VA killings to add a bit more shock value to the whole thing. if the guy said things like that, then the guy was obviously in a hell of a low.
i know how these go. things seem absolutely hopeless...you get "despair attacks" where maybe for the span of one nights, things looks like theyll never get better. you say things. you do things. you regret them. i pitty the poor ****er that he got mixed up with this VA mess. it wasnt alright of him to pull that shit, and i cant blame the girl for being freaked out and calling the cops. but oh boy, what bad timing.
also, most of you are all ****ing jerks.
imagine being a pudgy jewish kid with googley eyes and what seems like somekind of mild mental illness... imagine being ridiculed on the internet because you dared put together an earnest little review show. it has to SUCK to be this guy. suck HARD.
one of the bigger challenges of being bi-polar is damage control. or atleast trying not to say and do those things you KNOW you shouldnt do. but sometimes you cant help yourself, you **** up hardcore and you get in that kind of trouble.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6130441&postcount=513
ive been bi-polar all my life.
altho i dont KNOW, i dont think the guy could have actually pull the trigger on anybody.
it takes a special kind of person to do that.
but it really just takes a poor little depressed dude to SAY things like that.
it was hella stupid on his part to say things like that, especially using the VA killings to add a bit more shock value to the whole thing. if the guy said things like that, then the guy was obviously in a hell of a low.
i know how these go. things seem absolutely hopeless...you get "despair attacks" where maybe for the span of one nights, things looks like theyll never get better. you say things. you do things. you regret them. i pitty the poor ****er that he got mixed up with this VA mess. it wasnt alright of him to pull that shit, and i cant blame the girl for being freaked out and calling the cops. but oh boy, what bad timing.
also, most of you are all ****ing jerks.
imagine being a pudgy jewish kid with googley eyes and what seems like somekind of mild mental illness... imagine being ridiculed on the internet because you dared put together an earnest little review show. it has to SUCK to be this guy. suck HARD.
one of the bigger challenges of being bi-polar is damage control. or atleast trying not to say and do those things you KNOW you shouldnt do. but sometimes you cant help yourself, you **** up hardcore and you get in that kind of trouble.
Nicca is trollin'
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpMxMPZ-Mk
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Completely agree with him in that video
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A MGS fan agreeing? Not surprising after 4.
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At least Kojima learn from his mistakes and brought Jack Bauer on board for the next one :american
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You'd have to be an idiot to agree with him on that.
He also really comes off as a big douche in that video. "Look at me I'm trying to be cool, look at how nonchalantly I say this".
And it's funny now to look at how he's throwing a temper tantrum when someone's being a douche to him.
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Blow only play 3D Zelda or something.
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I don't care that he doesn't like Japanese games or that he's rude to certain people. In most situations I try to separate the work from the man in any art form. I'm not saying everybody else has to follow that practice but I'm saying that's what I generally do unless the person is on a hitler level style of evil.
The thing is though you can't have strong aggressive and sometimes controversial opinions without having an equally thick skin. That's life. I'm not sure how old the dude is but at this point that's a lesson he really needs to learn.
Not to mention he is mad because people a relatively small segment of people on TWITTER ARE MEAN TO HIM! How insane is that. A service that you volunteer to be on so you can talk to random idiots. I mean its literally like someone quitting their job in real life because somebody insulted them on the bore. Instead of taking the logical step of stop posting on the bore. (Or in this case stop posting on twitter or make your twitter account private). It's the ultimate first world problem.
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Spergs are gonna special fellow, Stoney.
:yeshrug
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Blow is psycho, fish is bipolar, that capy dude went nutzo
Indie devs are crazy
Sho, what is your social dysfunction?
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Three out of whoever know how many isn't exactly telling us anything, is it?
Then again, either you know you have a shot at this from correct analysis, or you are off your rocker but not enough to fail making a game.
Nicca is trollin'
How can you tell? Now, him being bi-polar fits the picture (and he seems to sympathise with whoever the OP was about), but I assume he's taking meds now, so... I guess he's still an ass. :lol
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There's a saying in my line of work.
"You can't be a bitch and a crybaby."
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Also, does this mean he's never going to patch that one broken game he put out for the 360 after all?
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Also, does this mean he's never going to patch that one broken game he put out for the 360 after all?
:heh :sabu
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6130441&postcount=513
ive been bi-polar all my life.
altho i dont KNOW, i dont think the guy could have actually pull the trigger on anybody.
it takes a special kind of person to do that.
but it really just takes a poor little depressed dude to SAY things like that.
it was hella stupid on his part to say things like that, especially using the VA killings to add a bit more shock value to the whole thing. if the guy said things like that, then the guy was obviously in a hell of a low.
i know how these go. things seem absolutely hopeless...you get "despair attacks" where maybe for the span of one nights, things looks like theyll never get better. you say things. you do things. you regret them. i pitty the poor ****er that he got mixed up with this VA mess. it wasnt alright of him to pull that shit, and i cant blame the girl for being freaked out and calling the cops. but oh boy, what bad timing.
also, most of you are all ****ing jerks.
imagine being a pudgy jewish kid with googley eyes and what seems like somekind of mild mental illness... imagine being ridiculed on the internet because you dared put together an earnest little review show. it has to SUCK to be this guy. suck HARD.
one of the bigger challenges of being bi-polar is damage control. or atleast trying not to say and do those things you KNOW you shouldnt do. but sometimes you cant help yourself, you **** up hardcore and you get in that kind of trouble.
The gamelife guy was arrested? What was the sentence?
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6 months of being Phil Fish's roommate
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BUY SKULLS OF THE SHOGUN, NOW ON STEAM
I'LL GIVE YOU A HUG
Unless it's a side hug, no sale. >:(
Also, does this mean he's never going to patch that one broken game he put out for the 360 after all?
Didn't he alread--Oh, fuck.
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Yo man Japanese games suck and you all fools for liking them.
(makes a game which heavily apes the style of retro console games)
(when people ask indie creators what their big inspirations are, you'll always see the same Japanese-made retro games listed, but don't pay attention to that)
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O.Japan is top tier. Japan sucks.
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Yo man Japanese games suck and you all fools for liking them.
(makes a game which heavily apes the style of retro console games)
(when people ask indie creators what their big inspirations are, you'll always see the same Japanese-made retro games listed, but don't pay attention to that)
He was talking about modern japanese games.
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Yo man Japanese games suck and you all fools for liking them.
(makes one broken game which still hasn't been adequately patched which heavily apes the style of retro console games)
(when people ask indie creators what their big inspirations are, you'll always see the same Japanese-made retro games listed, but don't pay attention to that)
fixed it
releases one broken game.
says an entire nation doesn't know how to make good games.
says he'll take the money and run.
burberry hat + Phil Fish
chav meme generator GO!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpMxMPZ-Mk
This is the first time I've seen the clip. That poor guy's face while everyone else is laughing. Wow.
Let's just say that regardless of how we got there, I'm glad Fish doesn't have a platform anymore (pun intended). Whether it's Kaufman or Poe's, from now on I'll make a bigger effort to not contribute to the egos of any narcissistic nerds, as I am incapable of separating the craftsman from the craft (a.k.a Chinatown).
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Blow is psycho, fish is bipolar, that capy dude went nutzo
Indie devs are crazy
Sho, what is your social dysfunction?
Sex addiction? :drool
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I don't really give a fuck about the person behind the game. Is the game good? Yes? awesome, I'll play. No? awesome, I'm not gonna play.
Buncha weirdos basing their opinions on some personality bullshit like it really matters.
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I base my judgement on Fez because of Crush for the psp. Fish is only fucking extra.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpMxMPZ-Mk
jesus christ I had to turn that off after a minute :-\
Come on...
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(http://i.imgur.com/Kdo5Nzf.jpg)
@AnnoyedGamer should have responded "I've already consumed both of those."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpMxMPZ-Mk
This is the first time I've seen the clip. That poor guy's face while everyone else is laughing. Wow.
Let's just say that regardless of how we got there, I'm glad Fish doesn't have a platform anymore (pun intended). Whether it's Kaufman or Poe's, from now on I'll make a bigger effort to not contribute to the egos of any narcissistic nerds, as I am incapable of separating the craftsman from the craft (a.k.a Chinatown).
Yeah, I'm also happy I never put money in Fish's pockets. The broiling anger simmering around GDC after he said that was substantial, but today is the first time I'd actually seen how he said it, and now I'm even happier that I never gave Fish any money. There is absolutely no consideration for the degree of effort that Japanese freelance programmer manifested: flying to the USA, participating in an English-language professionals' convention, and getting up and asking a question in English.
Wasn't there also a huge stink where Fish whined about some other major indie game not being indie because it was on XBLA, and then his own game won the indie aware and was also on XBLA? Was that Super Meat Boy?
Blow is psycho, fish is bipolar, that capy dude went nutzo
Indie devs are crazy
Sho, what is your social dysfunction?
He likes to triangle-choke people.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpMxMPZ-Mk
How rude :(
First time ever seeing this clip or even hearing of this event at all. Why he couldn't just answer the question like a regular human being is beyond me. I mean, just showing this guy the respect he obviously has for him back.
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I don't really give a fuck about the person behind the game. Is the game good? Yes? awesome, I'll play. No? awesome, I'm not gonna play.
Buncha weirdos basing their opinions on some personality bullshit like it really matters.
I won't act as if I'm going to research the people behind every game I buy, but when we reach Fish's level of publicity, and where his fuckery is literally revolving around "I'm rich, I'm hot, look at my sales, look at my fame, here's my dick, choke on it!" meaning my money is directly inflating that ego, I'll try to do something about it. My disdain for dumb nerds supersedes my desire to play dumb games. I've got too many to last me a lifetime, I'd manage without playing theirs.
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http://www.edge-online.com/features/phil-fish-and-the-hate-mob-an-internet-tragedy/
But there are precious few people in Phil Fish’s position who are willing or capable of stirring up such debate, and almost none who are as entertaining. You might hate him, but he made Fez – and as such, he’s probably better than you.
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(http://i.imgur.com/0X5H1Fq.png)
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http://www.edge-online.com/features/phil-fish-and-the-hate-mob-an-internet-tragedy/
But there are precious few people in Phil Fish’s position who are willing or capable of stirring up such debate, and almost none who are as entertaining. You might hate him, but he made Fez – and as such, he’s probably better than you.
uhhh no. FUCK no that does not make him better than me. really anyone who can treat people with basic respect in their daily interactions is better than phil fish.
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The game industry needs more people like Phil Fish, and it’ll be all the poorer for his absence if he’s really gone.
roflmao
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watch?v=qYpMxMPZ-Mk
How rude :(
First time ever seeing this clip or even hearing of this event at all. Why he couldn't just answer the question like a regular human being is beyond me. I mean, just showing this guy the respect he obviously has for him back.
I imagine sometimes he hates himself for this, he'll lie in bed thinking why am i such a giant piece of shit? WHy does everyone hate me? I should change. Then wake up the next day and continue being a piece of shit, such is the life of a shithead.
The whole panel is stupid to the point of being insulting, "japanese games suck" -everyone laughs - one guy praises Souls as an outlier then uses only modern Nintendo pandering to casual western audiences as an example. The irony is too great with this shithead (and these other devs most likely also) pointing the finger at the community being toxic.
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http://www.edge-online.com/features/phil-fish-and-the-hate-mob-an-internet-tragedy/
But there are precious few people in Phil Fish’s position who are willing or capable of stirring up such debate, and almost none who are as entertaining. You might hate him, but he made Fez – and as such, he’s probably better than you.
:rofl Edge. I feel sorry for that writer feeling inferior to someone because they made a flavour of the month indie platformer
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I don't understand the hate for Jonathan Blow. He seems pretty well spoken and explains his points logically. His discussion on the GB E3 podcasts were interesting to listen to.
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The writing in Braid (the parts between levels) was dumb, but Blow gets hit with the pretension stick a lot outside of that, for reasons I don't really understand.
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Their complaints are all found in most western games, not to mention that their games aren't even good.
Braid was meh, mid-tier side scroller with a bad story.
I hate this method of marginalizing. HATE.
"Their games are bad so their opinions are invalid!"
What? That makes no sense! And it's such a lazy way of dismissing criticism. Nothing Blow said was outrageous or necessarily wrong. He even goes as far to say that western games have their own set of problems but I agree with his assessment of Japanese games in general.
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Yeah it's ironic they are the ones complaining about Japanese games when their own games are not shining examples of Western design at all.
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Japanese games suck and should get with the times. Here is a level from my smash indie hit
(http://megagames.com/sites/default/files/game-content-images/Braid%201.jpg)
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:whoo
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Well again, I don't care about if they are good at making games or not. It's irrelevant to what's being said. If the criticism is valid and the points back up the claim, his own skills at making game shouldn't matter. Separating the man from the products is a problem for a lot of people clearly. I find it silly and pointless.
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your argument is too soft Soulburn. Braid is a puzzle game. You can jump n shit, but it's hardly a platformer. The story is often criticized, but it's the puzzling that's held up as what makes Braid a good game. Also the crux of Blow's argument is that games are babby and hold your hand too much. Obviously this occurs in western games as well, but it's unfair to paint Blow's own games with that brush as his core philosophy in making games is to take the audience's intelligence seriously.
And I don't think Blow is "supposed to be some "I'm a genius and my games are art" pretentious douche who's always there to fucking shit on everyone else's games and talk up his". Rather he speaks his mind and aspires to make things that are non-perfunctory, but he doesn't go around talking about how big of a cock he has and how everyone else are assholes for him to fuck ala Fish. You can even see it in the video were Fish is shitting on the japanese dude, Blow makes a proper effort to stop Fish's ridicule and answer his question.
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How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
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@Bro, I was going to discuss Braid in relation to his criticism but I haven't really played it so I can't speak with any authority against it. But thanks for that post since my perception of Braid is that it's a puzzle game that forces the player to figure stuff out without spelling out game mechanics... which is exactly what he was speaking against in the video.
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Furthermore it would mean by extension that anyone who hasn't made a game can't critizise games either, which is bollocks. If you can make a case for why something is bad then the argument stands on its own.
But I guess it's far more important to be popular and argue well than it is to just argue well. Which is also why modern politics are a crock of shit, all in all.
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Fez was a videogame I enjoyed playing through. Pretty rare these days.
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I don't really give a fuck about the person behind the game. Is the game good? Yes? awesome, I'll play. No? awesome, I'm not gonna play.
Buncha weirdos basing their opinions on some personality bullshit like it really matters.
meh I disagree. I find that in art sometimes the annoying parts of peoples personalities come out. I cant listen to music by Eminem or The Game because I hate the fuck out of them. On the other hand I can tolerate Wagner and Burzum's racism etc because the music is good enough. Its a fine balance and seemingly doesnt apply to most games but I find that it becomes more relevant with smaller personal projects or games that are more aggressively trying to be art. This is one of those games.
Yeah, for me this argument is perfectly presented with the curious modern case of Troy Duffy and Boondock Saints.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overnight
Basically, someone with no real formal training sells a script, gets to direct his movie, his band will provide the soundtrack and get a recording deal, and oh yeah bro- Harvey Weinstein is gonna buy the bar you work at and let you run it! F'realz.
Shockingly, dude turns out to be a colossal, egomaniacal prick that burns every bridge he comes to, often before he's even able to cross it. It's everyone's fault but his, obviously. OBVIOUSLY.
...also, Boondock Saints sucks.
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I was mostly directing shit Fish, but Blow annoys me at times as well.
I've played and beat Braid, so I understand how it's more of a puzzle game. But it still is mid-tier IMO. I loved it when I first played, went back to it and thought it was overrated.
EDIT: I usually ignore how bad a person or his viewpoints are if I enjoy their music/movies/videogames/etc. But if a dude is everywhere criticizing everything like a Phil Fish, then I have every right to write him and his opinions off.
So your argument is that Blow shouldn't voice negative opinions about other games because he made a mid-tier game? Because that's annoying?
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I think what most people who find Blow annoying think is that he should maybe make a few more games (and maybe some better ones) before he tries to brosplain game developing to everyone.
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Blow has been giving seminars and writing about games for longer than he has made games. Anyway, I think people's opinion on Blow is often largely based on press writers asking him questions and presenting his opinions as if he showed up at the town square and started shouting and I have a hard time blaming Blow for that.
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:zzz
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I think what most people who find Blow and Fish annoying think is that they should maybe make a few more games (and maybe some better ones and ones that don't have game breaking bugs that they refuse to fix) before he tries to brosplain game developing to everyone.
Fixed it
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I'm trying to decide whether to blame the media or Blow/Fish Re: vocalness vs. number of games developed. Going into the next generation, both crazy fankids and websites relying on their clicks are just looking for the most potent ammo and they found plenty in those guys' repertoire.
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Blow has been giving seminars and writing about games for longer than he has made games. Anyway, I think people's opinion on Blow is often largely based on press writers asking him questions and presenting his opinions as if he showed up at the town square and started shouting and I have a hard time blaming Blow for that.
Maybe so. And yes, I might be jumping the gun on Blow when it comes to that.
All I'm saying is I can agree with the opinions of people I dislike and think are assholes, or people who have no skill or ability whatsoever in whatever we are talking about cause that doesn't mean they can't make valid points. What I am saying is at some point the amount of shit you talk will be measured up to your own results if all you do is talk shit, and that's certainly why I write off the Phil Fish of the world and won't pick up their games.
Phil Fish has never given a well reasoned opinion on anything as far as I've heard, so I don't care about him. Blow's criticisms against the babbying of games is very fair and the games he makes fundamentally opposes such design. So it seems feeble of you to ignore his arguments "whether it's valid or not" - when he has a pretty decent pedigree in games criticism and when he actually made a game he stuck to his principles and was successful at it. I didn't like the few minutes I spent with Braid, but I respect his efforts.
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Blow and Fish get a lot of shit because they've each made one well known game but each seem to have an opinion about nearly everything going on in the industry and how things should be. There are people who have been in the industry for nearly their entire adult life and don't have that sort of arrogance.
Like I said earlier, personally it doesn't overly bother me. Strong Opinions are fine. People certainly have them on this forum for instance. But when you want to be treated as a professional there is a certain way of going about that. And they seem to struggle with it. Fish clearly more so.
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Blow has been giving seminars and writing about games for longer than he has made games. Anyway, I think people's opinion on Blow is often largely based on press writers asking him questions and presenting his opinions as if he showed up at the town square and started shouting and I have a hard time blaming Blow for that.
So, he's some sort of authority about games, yet has only managed to shit out one average, derivative puzzler and a Myst clone. Dude is SO FUCKING AWESOME AND HIS OPINIONS ARE SO VALID. You're totes right.
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For the record, I actually agree with Blow about a lot of what he says, and share many of his opinions! Yet, and this part is likely to make heads 'asplode coming from me... HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SUCH A RAGING CUNT ABOUT IT. If your goal is to have an honest discussion about a subject and change people's opinion to your way of thinking, how you present your argument has a HUGE amount of importance. Blow fails spectacularly in that regard. It's almost like his goal is to actually talk about Jonathan Blow and be a raging cunt.
Phil Fish is just fucking insane, in comparison.
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I liked Braid just fine, and Blow's reasonable answers to the proffered question were clearly based in strong opinions but stated with a modicum of respect.
I'm willing to go with Brobzoid's statement that Blow's interview responses are not the same as standing on a street corner and bellowing capital-T "Truths." At worst, Blow is a theorist who has at least shipped something innovative, and is overly impressed with himself for it. Or is someone going to bring up Blinx?
Fish can DIAF.
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So, he's some sort of authority about games, yet has only managed to shit out one average, derivative puzzler and a Myst clone. Dude is SO FUCKING AWESOME AND HIS OPINIONS ARE SO VALID. You're totes right.
Don't be such a fuckhead COG. WTF kind of reasoning is that? Making a game means his opinions are worth even less than that of any random shmoe? Fuck off.
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I just don't see what about Blow is making people say he's a cunt? He's a calm and reasonable person. Yeah, he's one of those pie in the sky types like Molyneux but there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. I've never seen him say anything without backing it up with an explanation.
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I keep getting Jonathan Blow confused with Jonathan Mak
I never hear Mak's opinion on stuff. Guess he's too busy making awesome games :teehee
:bow Everyday Shooter :bow2 :bow Sound Shapes :bow2
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Eschaton and I made pretty much the same exact post with almost the same exact wording.
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I guess for me the comparison would be Markus Persson who would be the indie god that most people don't hate. You don't see tons of people hating on notch because while I'm sure he has opinions on lots of things and has created a game with a bigger cultural impact than Braid and Fez by a great magnitude, you don't get the sense the guy is constantly telling you how it is.
And maybe his role is less of a critic role while Fish and Blow seem to embrace the critic role.
You need critics. But you also need people who just do the work and let the public decide.
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I guess for me the comparison would be Markus Persson who would be the indie god that most people don't hate. You don't see tons of people hating on notch because while I'm sure he has opinions on lots of things and has created a game with a bigger cultural impact than Braid and Fez by a great magnitude, you don't get the sense the guy is constantly telling you how it is.
And maybe his role is less of a critic role while Fish and Blow seem to embrace the critic role.
You need critics. But you also need people who just do the work and let the public decide.
Notch either doesn't get asked for comment or refuses to offer comment more often. He is (or was) plenty vocal on Twitter. I remember him putting his foot in his mouth a couple times, not nescessarily about game's industry issues, but he did get a LOT of flak on occasion, which might be why we don't hear a whole lot of him any more.
If you want to listen what it's like to hear people constantly tell how it is, go anywhere on the internet. You'll find it here. In audio form even! I don't see how it's different coming from Blow, besides the amount of attention that's focused on him and others when they do it.
I honestly think the hang-up people have with Blow is that he has the audacity to be vocal while not making a (series of) near perfect games. I just don't get that attitude. You might have to earn the public's sympathies to get their ear, but you can speak sense without it. I can sympathize with the emotional response to preaching, but don't try and wrap your dislike into logic and pass it off as a more sensible opinion than it actually is.
And you have PLENTY of people who just do their work. So why shit on the few people that don't? Unless you actually want every creator to just shut the fuck up and keep their head down I don't see how some vocal developer-critic hybrids can be this upsetting.
For the record, I actually agree with Blow about a lot of what he says, and share many of his opinions! Yet, and this part is likely to make heads 'asplode coming from me... HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SUCH A RAGING CUNT ABOUT IT.
I guess I must have missed those episodes then.
The only thing that stands out to me as spectacularly bad was the coverage on the 1UP Show. That was framed and executed in the most ball-washing, "start of a new era"-wankery kind of way that it was too hard to watch. Ranks among the top 5 of 1UP proxy shame fests, along with their LBP coverage and the GTAIV "why this is nothing but a 10/10" round table.
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Eschaton and I made pretty much the same exact post with almost the same exact wording.
Why don't you guys blow each other at the back of you van?!
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For the record, I actually agree with Blow about a lot of what he says, and share many of his opinions! Yet, and this part is likely to make heads 'asplode coming from me... HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SUCH A RAGING CUNT
:whoo
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Eschaton and I made pretty much the same exact post with almost the same exact wording.
Why don't you guys blow each other at the back of you van?!
:kobeyuck black men
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smh fistful
he's brown
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I'll be totes honest. I have no idea if he's black or not. I just assume because I'm prejudicial.
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Blow has been giving seminars and writing about games for longer than he has made games. Anyway, I think people's opinion on Blow is often largely based on press writers asking him questions and presenting his opinions as if he showed up at the town square and started shouting and I have a hard time blaming Blow for that.
It certainly doesn't help when writers fellate him as some sort of high-class artist and has an entire article about philosophy with him or something.
I forget what site or magazine wrote that but it was so :yuck
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Blow has been giving seminars and writing about games for longer than he has made games. Anyway, I think people's opinion on Blow is often largely based on press writers asking him questions and presenting his opinions as if he showed up at the town square and started shouting and I have a hard time blaming Blow for that.
It certainly doesn't help when writers fellate him as some sort of high-class artist and has an entire article about philosophy with him or something.
I forget what site or magazine wrote that but it was so :yuck
I would categorize this more as a media problem but yeah certainly part of the backlash is certainly due to the inordinate amount of press both receive. They both have come to represent the indie movement which is the current hot topic in gaming.
And it was the Atlantic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/05/the-most-dangerous-gamer/308928/
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Thought blow sounded pretty interesting and put together on the giant bomb e3. Couldn't really get into braid though. Maybe I'm just too dumb.
Therefore blow>blow
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Hideki Kamiya
Arthur to Astaroth no Nazomakaimura: Incredible Toons
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 2
Devil May Cry
Resident Evil Zero
Viewtiful Joe
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trials and Tribulations
Viewtiful Joe 2
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble!
Okami
Bayonetta
The Wonderful 101
Bayonetta 2
Phil Fish
Fez (still not adequately patched on 360)
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I do have to concede that Blow generally seems reasonable compared to Fish.
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I would categorize this more as a media problem but yeah certainly part of the backlash is certainly due to the inordinate amount of press both receive. They both have come to represent the indie movement which is the current hot topic in gaming.
And it was the Atlantic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/05/the-most-dangerous-gamer/308928/
I think the enthusiast press really really wants prominent creators to exist because it adds credence to the idea that video games are creative expressions and that the industry has merit beyond being children's entertainment, time-wasters and stress-relievers.
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Kamiya didn't create Resident Evil. He may have had a hand in it, but why is it a major highlight on that list? ??? 2 he was a producer of, so that can stay.
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He only voiced Godot in Trials and Tribulations too, lol
Cmon Lucretius
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I dont see anything wrong with guys like Blow either, infact I wish the creators of games like Amnesia, Chivalry, FTL, Dear Esther type indie games would speak up a little more... but it seems you gotta be a console dev to make real noise....
What do you think this speaking up that they should do would achieve? That is rather than letting the work speak for itself which it is already doing. I don't understand this idea. These people often have personal blogs or give post mortems or design talks already in places like gamasutra.
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Esch, the Amnesia developers actually do write a fair bit about other games, trends, game design and other things on their blog.
http://frictionalgames.blogspot.se/
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Esch, the Amnesia developers actually do write a fair bit about other games and trends and such on their blog.
http://frictionalgames.blogspot.se/
Lots of people do. Gamers by and large just don't care. Actual real game dev talk is generally much different than what happens when Blow or Fish make the blogs.
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:bow Frictional :bow2
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Wait I just read that Fish has quit the gaming industry.
Drama queen
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Esch, the Amnesia developers actually do write a fair bit about other games and trends and such on their blog.
http://frictionalgames.blogspot.se/
Lots of people do. Gamers by and large just don't care. Actual real game dev talk is generally much different than what happens when Blow or Fish make the blogs.
I was a bit surprised when Frictional's post about Dead Space 2 (which offered a very negative and strong opinion) didn't kick off some shit-tossing on forums.
http://frictionalgames.blogspot.no/2011/02/thoughts-on-dead-space-2.html
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So, he's some sort of authority about games, yet has only managed to shit out one average, derivative puzzler and a Myst clone. Dude is SO FUCKING AWESOME AND HIS OPINIONS ARE SO VALID. You're totes right.
Don't be such a fuckhead COG. WTF kind of reasoning is that? Making a game means his opinions are worth even less than that of any random shmoe? Fuck off.
I don't think it's fuckheadish to expect someone who is supposedly such an authority on games that he gets to give lectures about how to make them to have produced something better than Braid, especially when he comes across as a condescending douchecanoe.
Calling him a raging cunt is probably overstating things, but as someone else said, he's big on the whole "games as art" mindset, and we all know where I stand on that.
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I feel like I often see articles that are fair, well written, respectful and correct (imo) get turned into ammo for forum shit tossing contests, but maybe I'm being overly cynical.
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Wait I just read that Fish has quit the gaming industry.
Drama queen
For today.
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I don't think it's fuckheadish to expect someone who is supposedly such an authority on games that he gets to give lectures about how to make them to have produced something better than Braid, especially when he comes across as a condescending douchecanoe.
Calling him a raging cunt is probably overstating things, but as someone else said, he's big on the whole "games as art" mindset, and we all know where I stand on that.
He didn't take that supposed authority all by himself and I don't think he's held any editors at gunpoint for an interview either. There are enough people, in the press especially, who grant and ascribe authority to him willingly, along with a platform to speak. Maybe he's more eager than average to take the opportunity, more convinced of his opinions and speaks openly about what he sees as problems in the industry. Maybe he does get an undue amount of attention. Lay that at his (and the media's) feet, fine.
But as Brob has said, what he critizises in other games he avoided in Braid, so he sticks to his convictions at least. That it wasn't the second coming or that inane details of its design won't fill shitty trivia threads in 20 years' time like Super Mario and the like do is besides the point.
I feel like I often see articles that are fair, well written, respectful and correct (imo) get turned into ammo for forum shit tossing contests, but maybe I'm being overly cynical.
Maybe, but that's my impression as well. All it takes is one phrase to start a shitstorm, with or without context.
There's also a tendency to repeat stories, because they're automatic winners as far as clicks and attention go. "Again, [xy] said something" because it's like a continuation of a familiar story. Eventually that's all they're now for and it becomes a running joke, like Molyneux's out there verbal fumblings about imaginary features. Applies any entity, really. "A new Edge is out. Behold these low numbers!"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0KinWLGOUI
I remember liking this skype interview Destructoid did with Blow. I also remember the interviewer being a bit obnoxious with his open fawning, but he doesn't pull his dick out or anything so it's not that much of a hassle.
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He only voiced the coolest character in the coolest series ever.
Cmon Lucretius
Fixed
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Kamiya lookin a little
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He only voiced the coolest character in the coolest series ever.
Cmon Lucretius
Fixed
:badass
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I dont see anything wrong with guys like Blow either, infact I wish the creators of games like Amnesia, Chivalry, FTL, Dear Esther type indie games would speak up a little more... but it seems you gotta be a console dev to make real noise....
What do you think this speaking up that they should do would achieve? That is rather than letting the work speak for itself which it is already doing.
open discussion about games development... which I think is healthy as long as egos stay in check. Not just for the sake of getting other people to reexamine their work, but also because I and many others find that commentary very interesting
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Check out Zeboyd Games entries about rpg design.
http://zeboyd.com/category/development/
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I dont see anything wrong with guys like Blow either, infact I wish the creators of games like Amnesia, Chivalry, FTL, Dear Esther type indie games would speak up a little more... but it seems you gotta be a console dev to make real noise....
What do you think this speaking up that they should do would achieve? That is rather than letting the work speak for itself which it is already doing.
open discussion about games development... which I think is healthy as long as egos stay in check. Not just for the sake of getting other people to reexamine their work, but also because I and many others find that commentary very interesting
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Check out Zeboyd Games entries about rpg design.
http://zeboyd.com/category/development/
They also have a pretty interesting take on this whole situation
http://zeboyd.com/2013/07/29/there-is-no-internet-war-on-creatives/
IMAGINE THAT
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if we're posting random musings from developers Imma throw this one from Kayin (I Wanna Be The Guy) out too
http://kayin.pyoko.org/?p=2501
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if we're posting random musings from developers Imma throw this one from Kayin (I Wanna Be The Guy) out too
http://kayin.pyoko.org/?p=2501
Since Phil’s departer from game design
...Arvie is a developer??? :ohhh
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this thread -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGTrWlzK3Ho
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this thread -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGTrWlzK3Ho
STOP STEALING ROB VAN DAM'S SHIT
(http://i.imgur.com/WJRMEpI.gif)
ROB
VAN
DAMME
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They also have a pretty interesting take on this whole situation
http://zeboyd.com/2013/07/29/there-is-no-internet-war-on-creatives/
IMAGINE THAT
:obama
Although I'm willing to bet that Fish is simply incapable of just walking away. From internet drama at least.
if we're posting random musings from developers Imma throw this one from Kayin (I Wanna Be The Guy) out too
http://kayin.pyoko.org/?p=2501
Why be Phil Fish when you can be Jonathan Blow instead? Why be Phil Fish when you can be Edmund McMillen and Tommy Refenes? Why be Phil when you can be Bennett Foddy or Doug Wilson? Cactus, Rorher, Auntie fucking Pixelante? Why not be Konjak, or Derek Yu… Pixel or Niffles? Why not be DanC, or Chris Hecker? Why not be Terry Cavanagh? He has a great accent! Why not be Jenova Chen? Hell, why aim small. Why not be Hideo Kojima, a Hidetaka Miyazaki, or a Hideki Kamiya? Why not more of whatever you are? Just try not to be a dick!
:lol
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Blow gets hate because of the way he speaks. If he put forth the same concepts and ideas with a lot of BRO thrown in, he'd get less hate. I know am reducing it down in a pretty dismissive way, but it's hard not to see that sort of pattern in the way people react to Blow. It's perfectly adult and okay to talk about matters which are not life or death with sincere intentions and reason. Some parts of the population haven't reached that point in their life where they can do that, and react rather adversely to those who do.
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Esch, the Amnesia developers actually do write a fair bit about other games and trends and such on their blog.
http://frictionalgames.blogspot.se/
Lots of people do. Gamers by and large just don't care. Actual real game dev talk is generally much different than what happens when Blow or Fish make the blogs.
I was a bit surprised when Frictional's post about Dead Space 2 (which offered a very negative and strong opinion) didn't kick off some shit-tossing on forums.
http://frictionalgames.blogspot.no/2011/02/thoughts-on-dead-space-2.html
Cool blog, it's interesting reading their tech/coding discussions..
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if we're posting random musings from developers Imma throw this one from Kayin (I Wanna Be The Guy) out too
http://kayin.pyoko.org/?p=2501
Since Phil’s departer from game design
...Arvie is a developer??? :ohhh
If Kayin is Arvie... that'd be pretty fucked up. Since Kayin lives nearby and I have met him for a minute at a local sci-fi con.
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Blow gets hate because of the way he speaks. If he put forth the same concepts and ideas with a lot of BRO thrown in, he'd get less hate.
Yeah the God of War guy's a jackoff too, lol.
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Jaffe doesn't have anything worthwhile to say though. The Cliffy B style double whammy.
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cliffyb is a tool
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Blow gets hate because of the way he speaks. If he put forth the same concepts and ideas with a lot of BRO thrown in, he'd get less hate. I know am reducing it down in a pretty dismissive way, but it's hard not to see that sort of pattern in the way people react to Blow. It's perfectly adult and okay to talk about matters which are not life or death with sincere intentions and reason. Some parts of the population haven't reached that point in their life where they can do that, and react rather adversely to those who do.
Like Jaffe and CliffyB? lol I disagree 100%
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Yeah CliffyB is just as bad, but on the opposite end of the spectrum.
At least he has some balls though and doesn't quit the game industry cause someone called him some names.
Plus he has a 25 year track record in the industry.