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Title: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2007, 02:57:43 PM
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=1951137

$35. That's much better than $50 but it's still high for something I've only seen a couple times. Granted I loved what I saw, I'm just very picky about huge purchases.

Last time I went to Hollywood Video I saw disks from season one for rent. I'll rent those this weekend and then decide whether I'm going to make the bigger purchase or not.

Also, what are you guy's thoughts on season one? Is it awesome?
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Solo on January 13, 2007, 03:02:13 PM
My second favorite season of TV ever (behind Veronica Mars S1). Its all down hill after that, though.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Solo on January 13, 2007, 03:03:45 PM
Also, you can get it for a HELL of a lot cheaper. I see it sold in pretty much every store for 29.99, and thats Canadian. So like $25 US. Find a better deal.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 13, 2007, 03:06:13 PM
My second favorite season of TV ever (behind Veronica Mars S1). Its all down hill after that, though.

Pretty much. I also love season 2 though. Season 3 started getting crazy, but I still enjoyed it thoroughly from what I remember.

But I'm still looking forward to this season. I actually already watched the first four episodes. I'm a sucker for Jack Bauer.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2007, 03:06:45 PM
Also, you can get it for a HELL of a lot cheaper. I see it sold in pretty much every store for 29.99, and thats Canadian. So like $25 US. Find a better deal.

What stores are these lol? From what I've seen Walmart has the lowest price (lol marketing). I checked Circuit City ($50), Best Buy (same), etc. I remember MAF or someone also said you can get them for under $30 but damn I haven't seen it on any site.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 13, 2007, 03:08:11 PM
Well, if you're willing to wait, deals for 24 seasons pop up all the time. I got Season 1 for $15 and Seasons 2 and 3 for $20. But that just to own them and to lend them out to people. I'm going to stop there... I hope.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Solo on January 13, 2007, 03:09:51 PM
Walmart, Futureshop in Canada.

Yeah Juice, I have managed to restrain myself from downloading the episodes. Thankfully, I only have to wait another 30 hours until some S6 HDTV goodness. But everyone is raving about the first 4 episodes, thats for sure. Im not gonna allow myself to get sucked into the hype though. S5 started off with about 4 awesome episodes too, then we got about 18 lame ones before the last 2 great ones.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 13, 2007, 03:15:51 PM
Walmart, Futureshop in Canada.

Yeah Juice, I have managed to restrain myself from downloading the episodes. Thankfully, I only have to wait another 30 hours until some S6 HDTV goodness. But everyone is raving about the first 4 episodes, thats for sure. Im not gonna allow myself to get sucked into the hype though. S5 started off with about 4 awesome episodes too, then we got about 18 lame ones before the last 2 great ones.

Yep, I've been saying the same thing to myself. I watched the first four episodes mostly because I saw a spoiler that was made up of just three words. I wanted to shoot myself. So I just watched the episodes to make myself feel better. Honestly, I feel that the first four episodes last season were better.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Error Macro on January 13, 2007, 03:31:05 PM
I bought it for $15 a couple of years ago :spin

But I still haven't watched a single episode, lol.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 13, 2007, 03:31:40 PM
I bought it for $15 a couple of years ago :spin

But I still haven't watched a single episode, lol.
:plutoed

lol b*anned is plutoed
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 13, 2007, 04:45:15 PM
I picked up S1 for $20 last year at Best Buy, w00t
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: TVC15 on January 13, 2007, 06:51:04 PM
It's trashy republican porn, so I am sure you will like it, PD.

That said, the first 2 seasons are pretty worthwhile.  3 was marginal enough in quality that I figured I should just skip the rest.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2007, 07:46:04 PM
I rented the first four episodes of the first season, along with Reservoir Dogs :)
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 13, 2007, 07:57:09 PM
It's trashy republican porn, so I am sure you will like it, PD.

That said, the first 2 seasons are pretty worthwhile.  3 was marginal enough in quality that I figured I should just skip the rest.

Don't let S3 ruin it for you. S3 is easily the worst, and I have seen every episode of this television show so far. S4 and 5 are really good.
S2, however, is my favorite season.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: TVC15 on January 13, 2007, 08:03:17 PM
Well, I'd be willing to give 4 a shot, I guess. 

It may sound immature, but I find it takes me out of the show when there isn't a realistic amount of vulgarity.  Like, if 24 were actually happening, it would be filled with cursing.  Same reason why I can't watch any cop shows anymore.

Premium channel TV has ruined everything for me :(
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 13, 2007, 08:11:28 PM
Bauer overuses "dammit" and "son of a bitch". It would be nice if he could just say "fuck" every now and then. Check out S4 if you have time, though.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2007, 03:41:02 AM
It was so awesome when Jack cursed in the prequel to Season 4.

"I can find my own fucking job."

I wish he could curse all the time too, TVC.  Especially after watching The Wire lately.  :(
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 03:45:46 AM
It was so awesome when Jack cursed in the prequel to Season 4.

"I can find my own fucking job."

I wish he could curse all the time too, TVC.  Especially after watching The Wire lately.  :(

Is that the season where he starts off working at a construction site? And with the arab terrorist who orders his son to be killed.

That's what I saw on Bravo; first couple episodes I think. Fucking amazing
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2007, 03:54:41 AM
That was Season 5. The first four episodes were fucking great. It was downhill after that. But at least Season 5 was better than 4.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 14, 2007, 03:57:22 AM
Yeah, I kind of preferred S4 to S3.  I rank them as S2 > S1 > S5 > S3 > S4.  Fourth season was just too damn goofy to me.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2007, 03:59:08 AM
Yeah, I kind of preferred S4 to S3.  I rank them as S2 > S1 > S5 > S3 > S4.  Fourth season was just too damn goofy to me.
You mean S3 to S4?  ???
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 04:03:15 AM
If season 4 is worse then 3, no way I'm going to continue.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2007, 04:04:29 AM
If season 4 is worse then 3, no way I'm going to continue.

Well if that's the case...stop watching.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Christopher on January 14, 2007, 04:17:21 AM
what is 24 even about?
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2007, 04:19:01 AM
what is 24 even about?

I'm really surprised that most of your frat house doesn't go ape-shit over it.

It's just about Jack Bauer saving the world...one day at a time.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Christopher on January 14, 2007, 04:20:18 AM
but how what is the concept about?
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 04:22:24 AM
but how what is the concept about?

Every season takes place over the course of 1 twenty four hour period, with each episode being 1 real time hour of that day.

Of course, nobody every eats or has to go to the bathroom during these days, for whatever magic reason.

In each season Jack, a member of a counter terrorism unit, takes on a new sudden thread.  The first season is really, really good, but the concept kinda doesn't work on repeated executions.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2007, 04:22:58 AM
Jack Bauer is a man within CTU (Counter-Terrorist Unit) and each season takes place within one day. One episode = one hour. It's supposed to be real-time, but each season they stretch it more and more ridiculously. The commerical breaks also make the DVDs funny to watch. The screen goes black and it's 9:26 and pops back up again and it's 9:31. Hey TVC, that's when they eat and shit!

Anyhow, it's a pretty awesome show, but if you wanna watch, I recommend watching it from the beginning.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 14, 2007, 04:24:35 AM
Yeah, I kind of preferred S4 to S3.  I rank them as S2 > S1 > S5 > S3 > S4.  Fourth season was just too damn goofy to me.
You mean S3 to S4?  ???

Oops, yeah.  It's late.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 04:34:49 AM
Also, the show is disgusting Republican porn that tells the public "SEE TORTURE REALLY WORKS!" and "YOU HAVE TO GO ABOVE THE LAW TO GET ANYTHING DONE!"

Far be it for me to criticize anyone's moral compass, but making 24 a popular television show isn't going to paint our culture as very flattering with ol' Monkeyface as president.  Our culture will be looked back as one that kept ours eyes covered whenever torturing suspects was mentioned, and 24 will be used as a bit of evidence to condemn America's acceptance of torturing suspects in terrorist cases.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 04:51:25 AM
*yawn*

I suppose that's one way to look at it. But in reality you can sit on your computer and critisize events all you want but at the end of the day there are people out there deciding what to do with informants who might know something about terrorist attacks. If you had one of these people in a cell and you knew he had information on an imminent terrorist attack, what would you do? And would you give a fuck about what some asshole was typing about you in his safe apartment lol?

It's a morbid, tough question. 24 will not be looked back as some indictment on American acceptance of the "torture" we may or may not be using. It's a very complicated issue in my judgement
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Vizzys on January 14, 2007, 04:54:13 AM
I rented the first four episodes of the first season, along with Reservoir Dogs :)
About fucking time.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 04:55:39 AM
I rented the first four episodes of the first season, along with Reservoir Dogs :)
About fucking time.

Watched it tonight actually. Review tomorrow...
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Vizzys on January 14, 2007, 04:59:14 AM
I look forward to it.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 04:59:44 AM
You might not





















Or will you...?
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Vizzys on January 14, 2007, 05:03:05 AM
I see no possible way for a negative review. Unless you are distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 05:04:04 AM
I might need to watch it again before posting my review, which would be a first
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2007, 05:05:06 AM
I might need to watch it again before I post my negative review and get plutoed
>:(
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 05:08:07 AM
*yawn*

I suppose that's one way to look at it. But in reality you can sit on your computer and critisize events all you want but at the end of the day there are people out there deciding what to do with informants who might know something about terrorist attacks. If you had one of these people in a cell and you knew he had information on an imminent terrorist attack, what would you do? And would you give a fuck about what some asshole was typing about you in his safe apartment lol?

It's a morbid, tough question. 24 will not be looked back as some indictment on American acceptance of the "torture" we may or may not be using. It's a very complicated issue in my judgement

It's not a complicated issue at all.  Torturing people is inhumane, even if it can gain info that can save lives.  Similar to how the death penalty is inhumane for the simple reason that it is absolutely wrong to take the life of another human being.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 05:15:56 AM
*yawn*

I suppose that's one way to look at it. But in reality you can sit on your computer and critisize events all you want but at the end of the day there are people out there deciding what to do with informants who might know something about terrorist attacks. If you had one of these people in a cell and you knew he had information on an imminent terrorist attack, what would you do? And would you give a fuck about what some asshole was typing about you in his safe apartment lol?

It's a morbid, tough question. 24 will not be looked back as some indictment on American acceptance of the "torture" we may or may not be using. It's a very complicated issue in my judgement

It's not a complicated issue at all.  Torturing people is inhumane, even if it can gain info that can save lives.  Similar to how the death penalty is inhumane for the simple reason that it is absolutely wrong to take the life of another human being.

The answer is not nearly as clear cut to those who are actually involved in these situations.

I'm against capitol punishment - that should be left up to the higher power - but I disagree about it being absolutely wrong to take life. If you have to defend yourself - be it your life, your family's, country, etc - then of course you do what you have to do.

I was in a pretty cool sociology class not too long ago, and one of the students in the class was fresh from Iraq (dude had some of the most fucked up stories I've ever heard). As usualy some jackass tried the whole "oh yea they're just killing innocent people over there rampantly, they all are guilty, etc" and the marine raised his hand to speak and then said "sir, has a 12 year old ever pointed an AK-47 at you?" On the surface that seems like a simple statement, but it's far more complex and layered and really demonstrates just how little credibility people have when they automatically jump onto this shit and critisize. If your life is on the line and you have a second to act, you're not going to be thinking "what ifs"
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 05:36:16 AM
*yawn*

I suppose that's one way to look at it. But in reality you can sit on your computer and critisize events all you want but at the end of the day there are people out there deciding what to do with informants who might know something about terrorist attacks. If you had one of these people in a cell and you knew he had information on an imminent terrorist attack, what would you do? And would you give a fuck about what some asshole was typing about you in his safe apartment lol?

It's a morbid, tough question. 24 will not be looked back as some indictment on American acceptance of the "torture" we may or may not be using. It's a very complicated issue in my judgement

It's not a complicated issue at all.  Torturing people is inhumane, even if it can gain info that can save lives.  Similar to how the death penalty is inhumane for the simple reason that it is absolutely wrong to take the life of another human being.

The answer is not nearly as clear cut to those who are actually involved in these situations.

I'm against capitol punishment - that should be left up to the higher power - but I disagree about it being absolutely wrong to take life. If you have to defend yourself - be it your life, your family's, country, etc - then of course you do what you have to do.

I was in a pretty cool sociology class not too long ago, and one of the students in the class was fresh from Iraq (dude had some of the most fucked up stories I've ever heard). As usualy some jackass tried the whole "oh yea they're just killing innocent people over there rampantly, they all are guilty, etc" and the marine raised his hand to speak and then said "sir, has a 12 year old ever pointed an AK-47 at you?" On the surface that seems like a simple statement, but it's far more complex and layered and really demonstrates just how little credibility people have when they automatically jump onto this shit and critisize. If your life is on the line and you have a second to act, you're not going to be thinking "what ifs"

To note, when I was talking about how wrong it is to take another life, I was ONLY talking about capital punishment, not war zones.

With that nitpick disarmed, you didn't say anything that justifies torture.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Solo on January 14, 2007, 08:33:17 AM
I cant wait for the BRD S1 of 24. I owned 24 S1-S4 on DVD, but I have traded them in. HD S1 is all I need!

"11:00PM-Midnight" is pretty much my favorite episode of television ever. Or its at least tied with "A Trip To The Dentist" from VM.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 14, 2007, 09:02:13 AM
*yawn*

I suppose that's one way to look at it. But in reality you can sit on your computer and critisize events all you want but at the end of the day there are people out there deciding what to do with informants who might know something about terrorist attacks. If you had one of these people in a cell and you knew he had information on an imminent terrorist attack, what would you do? And would you give a fuck about what some asshole was typing about you in his safe apartment lol?

It's a morbid, tough question. 24 will not be looked back as some indictment on American acceptance of the "torture" we may or may not be using. It's a very complicated issue in my judgement

It's not a complicated issue. They... glorify the threat of terrorism. Republican porn, as White Man said. It's a great show for being entertained, but it's not promoting torture of terrorists to be accepted. At least, I don't think so. It's just a show.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: drozmight on January 14, 2007, 09:24:07 AM
Not all terrorist attacks are bad... if I stumbled upon some plot to blow up the Capital Hill, I wouldn't do anything other than yell, "AWESOME!"
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 01:18:46 PM
*yawn*

I suppose that's one way to look at it. But in reality you can sit on your computer and critisize events all you want but at the end of the day there are people out there deciding what to do with informants who might know something about terrorist attacks. If you had one of these people in a cell and you knew he had information on an imminent terrorist attack, what would you do? And would you give a fuck about what some asshole was typing about you in his safe apartment lol?

It's a morbid, tough question. 24 will not be looked back as some indictment on American acceptance of the "torture" we may or may not be using. It's a very complicated issue in my judgement

It's not a complicated issue. They... glorify the threat of terrorism. Republican porn, as White Man said. It's a great show for being entertained, but it's not promoting torture of terrorists to be accepted. At least, I don't think so. It's just a show.

Glorify it? They seem to present it as a much larger issue than it is in the US currently; in some ways it examines what would happen if the terrorist attacks that effect Israel/Palestine were to happen here. And you better believe that if some jackass sets himself off in a mall one time you'll see a different America the next day

TVC: I'm not trying to justify terrorism. I'm just saying things are looked at differently by those on the ground who actually deal with this.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Boogie on January 14, 2007, 01:44:06 PM
Republican porn, eh?

Ya, that's why last season's main plotline featured the president trying to orchestrate a war under false pretences in order to secure America's continued world dominance and access to oil, and Jack trying to foil this plot...... :duh
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: APF on January 14, 2007, 01:45:11 PM
Republican porn, eh?

Ya, that's why last season's main plotline featured the president trying to orchestrate a war under false pretences in order to secure America's continued world dominance and access to oil, and Jack trying to foil this plot...... :duh
.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2007, 02:58:47 PM
lol ether
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2007, 03:17:45 PM
Republican porn, eh?

Ya, that's why last season's main plotline featured the president trying to orchestrate a war under false pretences in order to secure America's continued world dominance and access to oil, and Jack trying to foil this plot...... :duh

Sorry, I haven't watched 4-5.  I was speaking about what I saw, and what I saw was definite Republiporn.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 14, 2007, 03:46:28 PM
Republican porn, eh?

Ya, that's why last season's main plotline featured the president trying to orchestrate a war under false pretences in order to secure America's continued world dominance and access to oil, and Jack trying to foil this plot...... :duh

Still, methods of torture and the like remain similar in execution. I'd agree, S5 is different than the others in some ways; who the villains are and how they are trying to accomplish their objectives is no doubt different than other seasons, as you just mentioned. Overall, 24 is still filled with tons of "Republican porn", but who cares? It's not our problem if others can't separate that from real life. I'm not trying to be critical of the show, since 24 is my favorite one out there. I love the plot, characters, objectives, action, etc. etc.

White Man, you will like S4 and 5. I have a feeling you'd like 5 best. As Boogie hinted, it is a little different than the other seasons in how things unfold and what roles in society the villains play. S5 is my second favorite season.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 12:49:29 AM
Just got finished watching the first four episodes of season one, back to back. I didn't plan on watching all of them tonight but HOLY SHIT

Mind=blown

Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 15, 2007, 01:04:52 AM
You've got some catchin' up to do, son.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Lonestar on January 15, 2007, 01:06:38 AM
Terrible show.  This needs to be shitcanned along with Lost. 
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 01:07:10 AM
 :lol yeah I'm basically gonna be swamped

One of my friends is a 24 freak so I'll try to borrow his stuff; he lives somewhat far away but he works on UM's campus, which isn't that far away.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Stocky on January 15, 2007, 01:07:13 AM
Terrible show.  This needs to be shitcanned along with Lost. 
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 15, 2007, 01:10:38 AM
"I don't like it, therefore it should be cancelled."  Man, I hate self-important fucks like that.  You don't like it?  Well, every TV has channel and power buttons, your choice, use them both if you're feeling frisky.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Lonestar on January 15, 2007, 01:11:24 AM
"I don't like it, therefore it should be cancelled."  Man, I hate self-important fucks like that.  You don't like it?  Well, every TV has channel and power buttons, your choice, use them both if you're feeling frisky.

I don't watch it.  I do use the power buttons.  Yet people still talk about this terrible show.  Invent an off button for that, asshole. 
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Stocky on January 15, 2007, 01:12:24 AM
I don't watch it.  I do use the power buttons.  Yet people still talk about this terrible show.  Invent an off button for that, asshole. 
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 15, 2007, 01:12:30 AM
DON'T CLICK ON THREADS DISCUSSING SHOWS YOU DON'T LIKE

There's your off button for that, douchebag.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 15, 2007, 01:14:42 AM
Just got finished watching the first four episodes of season one, back to back. I didn't plan on watching all of them tonight but HOLY SHIT

Mind=blown



 :elephant
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Lonestar on January 15, 2007, 01:15:19 AM
DON'T CLICK ON THREADS DISCUSSING SHOWS YOU DON'T LIKE

There's your off button for that, douchebag.

What about real life, say, around the dinner table? 
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 15, 2007, 01:16:03 AM
EAT ALONE
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Lonestar on January 15, 2007, 01:18:09 AM
That would be disrespectful. 
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 01:22:04 AM
Fuck it, I'm going to buy the first season boxset, perhaps tomorrow. Although I shouldn't buy it tomorrow because I need to do some homework lol
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 15, 2007, 01:22:41 AM
Fuck it, I'm going to buy the first season boxset, perhaps tomorrow. Although I shouldn't buy it tomorrow because I need to do some homework lol

GO GO GO

JACK BAUER > HOMEWORK
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 01:28:13 AM
 :lol

I have lots of shit to do tomorrow. My brothers are bringing their friends over to my house to play videogames (ugh), and later I need to pick up my books for school lol. Usually I never study during the first week of school, but I have some problems I need to do for accounting. So...I could just get the boxset around 7, watch a couple episodes, then start homework at 10. Sounds like a good plan
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 15, 2007, 01:33:15 AM
You know you're never going to get to that last part of the plan  :lol
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 01:36:59 AM
I fucking better considering the class is at 8:30 in the morning lol.  :lol
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 15, 2007, 09:27:35 AM
Lonestar: What specifically don't you like?
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 12:50:53 PM
I'm going to head off to Walmart and pick up the boxset as well as some CDs (Portishead) in a couple hours.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Cheebs on January 15, 2007, 02:31:27 PM
I suppose that's one way to look at it. But in reality you can sit on your computer and critisize events all you want but at the end of the day there are people out there deciding what to do with informants who might know something about terrorist attacks. If you had one of these people in a cell and you knew he had information on an imminent terrorist attack, what would you do? And would you give a fuck about what some asshole was typing about you in his safe apartment lol?

My problem with tortue is not "it doesn't work!" but that it is 100% illegal and yet it is given a blind eye and tarnishes our image in the rest of the world.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 02:35:05 PM
I suppose that's one way to look at it. But in reality you can sit on your computer and critisize events all you want but at the end of the day there are people out there deciding what to do with informants who might know something about terrorist attacks. If you had one of these people in a cell and you knew he had information on an imminent terrorist attack, what would you do? And would you give a fuck about what some asshole was typing about you in his safe apartment lol?

My problem with tortue is not "it doesn't work!" but that it is 100% illegal and yet it is given a blind eye and tarnishes our image in the rest of the world.

I tend to think our torture is far more humane than anything that would be done to you in these countries we so desperately feel we need to have a good image with.

That doesn't make it "legal", but like I said if you had a terrorist in a room and you knew he had information that could stop an imminent terrorist attack, would you really be worrying about what you can or cannot do, or better yet what some asshole on Air America is going to say about you?
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Cheebs on January 15, 2007, 02:38:15 PM

I tend to think our torture is far more humane than anything that would be done to you in these countries we so desperately feel we need to have a good image with.
I mean places more like Europe, who used to generally "like" us in the 90's (Europe loved Clinton).
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 02:41:33 PM

I tend to think our torture is far more humane than anything that would be done to you in these countries we so desperately feel we need to have a good image with.
I mean places more like Europe, who used to generally "like" us in the 90's (Europe loved Clinton).

Do you honestly feel they don't use torture practices, or practices some would consider torture?
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Cheebs on January 15, 2007, 02:44:10 PM
I tend to think USA is far more likely to break laws(such as the tortue ones) set by the U.N. rather than Europe. We tend to act more rebellious to "wordly" things than Europe.

Even if they did, how does that make it ok for us to break the law?
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 02:47:11 PM
It certainly doesn't make it ok. I just don't like the idea that Europe is somehow better than us in these regards. Granted Bush is the president so I see your point, but Europe ain't no saints either.
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"As Saddam's food for whatever proves!"
-APF
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Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 15, 2007, 02:48:43 PM
Nobody's perfect, PD. But we've really sucked when it comes to foreign policy ever since Bush stepped into office.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Cheebs on January 15, 2007, 02:49:34 PM
Tony Blair is perfection. He'll go down as the greatest prime minister since Churchill :punch
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2007, 02:51:24 PM
Nobody's perfect, PD. But we've really sucked when it comes to foreign policy ever since Bush stepped into office.

Agreed :-\

I tend to think our foreign policy moves have hurt our reputation more than a little torture here and there; everyone has their hand in the cookie jar with respect to that, just to different degrees.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: brawndolicious on January 15, 2007, 02:54:17 PM
Torture usually doesn't work cause they tell the interrogators what they want to hear when most likely (9/10) are innocent and have no idea what to say.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Cheebs on January 15, 2007, 02:56:09 PM

 everyone has their hand in the cookie jar with respect to that, just to different degrees.
Not Tony Blair. What a man, what a hero.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/01/30/ublview.jpg)
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Lonestar on January 15, 2007, 03:11:08 PM
Lonestar: What specifically don't you like?

It's terrible. 
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 15, 2007, 03:33:57 PM

 everyone has their hand in the cookie jar with respect to that, just to different degrees.
Not Tony Blair. What a man, what a hero.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/01/30/ublview.jpg)

Most people seem to now hate him because of his initial mega-pimping of the Iraq war.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Cheebs on January 15, 2007, 04:03:52 PM

 everyone has their hand in the cookie jar with respect to that, just to different degrees.
Not Tony Blair. What a man, what a hero.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/01/30/ublview.jpg)

Most people seem to now hate him because of his initial mega-pimping of the Iraq war.
I used to be a "fan" of the labor party (from an American perspective)  :-\
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Diablos on January 15, 2007, 04:10:36 PM
pff, what is the labour party anymore?

They used to describe themselves as socialist... they wouldn't dare try that today, heh.
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2007, 09:26:25 PM
HOLY SHIT. I just watched episode 6

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Alan Yorke OMFG. Once he started killing his daughther my mind exploded . But I got the connection at that point that he was actually someone else, but with heavy plastic sugery in order to look like Yorke (which is the same thing they did to that photographer). But even though I saw that coming my jaw still dropped when Nina called Jack's wife to tell her the news. GOD DAMN

And why can't David Palmer be our president? This is is so idealistic yet at the same time a strong leader. His son killed someone omg, and his whole family covered it up. Wow
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The next two episodes were even better.
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OMG Jack got framed for attempting to kill Palmer
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Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2007, 02:23:45 AM
DAMN

Just watched four more episodes. This show is fucking amazing. Every storyline is interesting, and it brings you in like nothing I've ever seen before.

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Jack was able to save his daughter and wife from the combound they were held in, but now they're on the run. Holy shit.

But despite all that amazing action I'm more interested in Palmer. His wife is a total bitch though lol; basically it seems like Palmer is a man of courage, truth, and justice, but most of the people around him are the complete opposite and see things very differently. And this Carl guy, lol. So the therapist just got killed in an "accident", but of course someone was behind it. Although I don't think Carl did it.

About three times something very interesting was brought up. The "summer two years ago". Jack's wife mentioned to her daughter that a couple years ago Jack came back from a trip and wasn't the same. Palmer also seems to know about Jack due to this event. And apparently this event is why the terrorists wanted to kill them both. I'm guessing Jack took out a lot of terrorists in Belgrade and now some of them want payback.

And who is the "they" Carl referred to when talking to Palmer? OMG DON'T TELL ME ANYTHING FAGGURTS
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This is the best show I've ever seen
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 17, 2007, 03:45:50 AM
 :bow 24
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Solo on January 17, 2007, 07:56:35 AM
Indeed, PD. But keep in mind its FACTUAL information that S1 is leagues better than the rest, so be prepared for a slight drop in future seasons.

Enjoy that finale  :P
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2007, 12:59:42 AM
OMFG 24

This is is fucking amazing. I am constantly entertained and intrigued by the intersecting storylines as well as the characters who are caught up in it all. From Jack to Palmer to Tony. Wow.
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Jack saved his family from the terrorists only for them to be chased again while he was at CTU. I understand Jack's wife is a bitch, but Nina should not have left the safe house. Oh boy, when Jack finds out someone is going to die....HARD :lol

Perhaps the best thing about the episodes I just watched was the confrontation between Jack and Palmer. Palmer thought Jack was upset with him over a secret mission that went bad in Belgrade, but when the truth came out both characters clicked immediately. Both of them have opposing problems. Jack's only concern is his family while Palmer is being torn apart by his. Sherri is a BITCH omg. But his son is worse lol. I don't want any spoilers other than this: does Palmer's son die in the first season? I need to know because he's a fool and deserves to die a painful death.

And as I predicted the reason these particular terrorists want Jack dead is because he killed their father, and sister. I see why they'd go after Jack's family, but why not go after Palmer's family as well, at least his kids (easy targets)? Hm.
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Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 18, 2007, 01:04:22 AM
Why would you want to know anything, PD? You're going to finish the season by week's end if you continue at this rate anyway
Title: Re: 24 Season one
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2007, 01:24:20 AM
Why would you want to know anything, PD? You're going to finish the season by week's end if you continue at this rate anyway

4 episodes a night lol, which is 1 disk. I'll rewatch the season after I'm done though because there are details that's I've missed (names mainly)

Then I'll get season 2 when I find a deal.