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Title: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 12:27:47 AM
http://www.jp.square-enix.com/dqsp/
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2013, 12:29:00 AM
Neat!
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Post by: Bebpo on October 08, 2013, 12:33:48 AM
Getting the userbase familiar with the series before it gets the next mainline one  :jawalrus
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 08, 2013, 12:35:57 AM
Getting the userbase familiar with the series before it gets the next mainline one  :jawalrus
Wow, when you put it like that....yep thats whats going to happen. Gaming is so weird right now.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 08, 2013, 12:36:05 AM
Sweet, will play DQ VII
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Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 12:37:23 AM
Getting the userbase familiar with the series before it gets the next mainline one  :jawalrus

It's amazing how far this series has fallen... I daresay I'm more interested in the next FF game than the next DQ game...
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Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 12:41:21 AM
I could see my iPod 4 running up to 6, with 7 and 8 causing it to choke and die.
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Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 12:44:53 AM
hell yeah, tiesto owned

:piss Oscar :piss2

Still need you to give me one reason why games like these are better to play on phones than consoles/PCs/dedicated handhelds.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 12:47:52 AM
hell yeah, tiesto owned

:piss Oscar :piss2

Still need you to give me one reason why games like these are better to play on phones than consoles/PCs/dedicated handhelds.

I play Final Fantasy Tactics at my desk at work :yeshrug
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Post by: Raban on October 08, 2013, 12:50:12 AM
the delicious tears of touch-gaming haters :mouf
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Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 12:55:54 AM
Dragon Quest Monsters SUPER LITE RPG

http://www.dragonquest.jp/dqmsl/
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Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 01:00:05 AM
you could be playing dq8 on your toilet, or you could sit there and complain about how a turn-based rpg can't be properly played with touch controls

choose the right side of history, pal

I don't play games on my toilet. Nor would I be able to get away with playing something as long and involved as DQ8 at work (open floorplan at the new job, I'm lucky I can sneak a few seconds to send out a few texts to people). I'm a crusty old relic who loves to get immersed in a long and gripping adventure, relaxing on my couch in front of a big-screen TV (and to a lesser extent, playing on my PC). I dealt with RPGs moving to handhelds but even that wasn't an ideal. There are games that make sense for phones, like where you can play a few minutes stopped at an extra-long traffic light... but not 100 hour long RPGs. I've also found grid-based movement annoying in the few touch RPGs I've played (of the 2D variety with only 4-way movement) too. And I hate the whole IAP whaling that goes with a lot of phone games.

Even if console RPGs completely dry up and this IAP whaling unambitious mobile RPG future comes to pass, I'll still have more than enough console games to play until either the mobile marketplace finally collapses upon itself or until companies finally start making more ambitious titles on the platform (so far out of what I've played, no original title has even come close to a mid-grade 90's console RPG)
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Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 01:03:19 AM
lol, dude. All of Squeenix games do not require or even have IAP. The ones that do are clearly designed for it.

You are overreacting, man. There are plenty of console and handheld JRPGs coming out yet.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 01:05:17 AM
you could be playing dq8 on your toilet, or you could sit there and complain about how a turn-based rpg can't be properly played with touch controls

choose the right side of history, pal

I don't play games on my toilet. Nor would I be able to get away with playing something as long and involved as DQ8 at work (open floorplan at the new job, I'm lucky I can sneak a few seconds to send out a few texts to people). I'm a crusty old relic who loves to get immersed in a long and gripping adventure, relaxing on my couch in front of a big-screen TV (and to a lesser extent, playing on my PC). I dealt with RPGs moving to handhelds but even that wasn't an ideal. There are games that make sense for phones, like where you can play a few minutes stopped at an extra-long traffic light... but not 100 hour long RPGs. I've also found grid-based movement annoying in the few touch RPGs I've played (of the 2D variety with only 4-way movement) too. And I hate the whole IAP whaling that goes with a lot of phone games.

Even if console RPGs completely dry up and this IAP whaling unambitious mobile RPG future comes to pass, I'll still have more than enough console games to play until either the mobile marketplace finally collapses upon itself or until companies finally start making more ambitious titles on the platform (so far out of what I've played, no original title has even come close to a mid-grade 90's console RPG)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C4Sdb5NNbM
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Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2013, 01:10:00 AM
I have no issue with turn based RPGs and adventure games (Phoenix Wright) going to touch only devices. I get my knickers in a twist when it involves more complex stuff.

Which versions of each game are these gonna be? 1-3 SNES, 4-6 DS, 7 PS1, 8 PS2?
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Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 01:11:50 AM
3DS version for maximum jimmy rustle
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Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 01:16:58 AM
i don't like techno music because all the DJs wear silly hats

is your argument, more or less

How do you figure? (btw not to dwell but there aren't any big name techno DJs who wear silly hats. Unless you think deadmau5 is techno...) I gave my clear reasons why playing 100 hour long RPGs on a small phone screen with rigid touch-controls isn't for me (and luckily if I want to play any of the DQ games again I can play my console versions). If phone gaming appeals to you, that's nice and I'm glad you have a lot of games to play.
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Post by: mjemirzian on October 08, 2013, 01:34:07 AM
Turn based games and touch devices go together really well.
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Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 01:34:15 AM
1) if the screen size bothers you, use a tablet
2) if the lack of buttons bothers you, get a controller
3) if the IAP bothers you, play the 90% of JRPGs on iOS with no/inobtrusive IAP

or just keep whining in literally every thread about a jrpg being on ios/android, your call

Yes, I'm gonna run out and spend money I don't have on a tablet and controller to play ports of games I own on every console they're available for already :P

There's also the quality issue of SE's mobile ports. Those FF5 sprites still repulse me. And that portrait view DQ8 isn't really inspiring any confidence.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 01:49:11 AM
1) if the screen size bothers you, use a tablet
2) if the lack of buttons bothers you, get a controller
3) if the IAP bothers you, play the 90% of JRPGs on iOS with no/inobtrusive IAP

or just keep whining in literally every thread about a jrpg being on ios/android, your call

Yes, I'm gonna run out and spend money I don't have on a tablet and controller to play ports of games I own on every console they're available for already :P

There's also the quality issue of SE's mobile ports. Those FF5 sprites still repulse me. And that portrait view DQ8 isn't really inspiring any confidence.

see, this is why i don't give you better answers.  "yes but, yes but, yes but, yes but".  a whole lot of excuses you've imagined up and whenever anyone strikes one down, you replace it with yet another imagined excuse.  i'd say enjoy your misery, but we both know you're going to break sooner or later, because you are an impotent addict, just like every other gamer.

You seem to think that I haven't played anything on phones and I'm just pulling these excuses out of thin air. I've played enough games on phones, whether they be free trials, F2P, or purchased games, to come up with reasons why I don't like most of them. There are a ton of people on GAF who hate handheld games, there are a ton of people on GAF who hate PC games, and they have their reasons for that I'm sure (probably just as stupid, if not more so, as you find my reasons)... but do you go and argue with them?

Also, you'd be surprised. I don't really have an addictive personality, and I don't think it would be that hard to quit following modern gaming completely given my lack of time (which is only gonna get shorter as I get older), lack of finances, and a backlog that could very well last me 30 years. Not to mention I highly doubt quality traditional console/PC games will dry up completely from either Japanese or Western devs.
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Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 02:00:34 AM
Ehh, sometimes it's fun to just vent about shit on the internet... good stress reliever.

I won't go and bitch about RPGs on mobile gaming in every thread though if it makes you feel better. Though I feel it's different complaining about something you once really loved that went in a completely different direction than one you would've liked, than complaining about something you never once cared about (like you I'm not at all into military shooters but am rarely compelled to bitch when COD 38: Near Future Black Ghosts Warfare gets announced).
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Post by: mjemirzian on October 08, 2013, 02:06:16 AM
There are plenty of decent to good non-IAP turn based strategy games on iOS/Android, and I think there's a market for non-IAP touch games in general.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 08, 2013, 02:20:08 AM
i used to like fps games quite a lot actually, but i wasn't happy with the direction they went on the whole.

TAKE COVER

HELP YOUR BROS TAKE THE OBJECTIVE
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2013, 02:23:51 AM
Man I keep forgetting 7 had a full 3DS remake. Why isn't that out here yet? (He says without irony after that whole "translations r hard" spiel from yesterday.)
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2013, 02:26:32 AM
1) if the screen size bothers you, use a tablet

This is what I'm planning on doing.

New Nexus 7 is on the way. :rejoice

1080p  :rejoice

2 GB RAM  :rejoice

1.5 GHz S4 Pro  :rejoice

Adreno 320  :rejoice


I just reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly hope (REALLY) that these aren't locked to portait-only like the screens are. SE can't be THAT dumb, can they? :-\


(Also, if I was meaner I'd ask Vita stans how those FFX remakes are coming. :teehee)
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Post by: cool breeze on October 08, 2013, 02:31:48 AM
Getting the userbase familiar with the series before it gets the next mainline one  :jawalrus

the DQ9 to DS thread was awesome.  can't wait for the sequel.
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Post by: DCharlieJP on October 08, 2013, 02:35:23 AM
have to say that i'm surprised that they didn't throw DQ8 on the 3DS - that was cash money right there, and then they could STILL have put it on phones later.

But yeah - might well be a sea change - SE have been very pro-mobile phone gaming so ...

When Nintendo finally put stuff on phones the melt downs are going to be epic.

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Post by: Damian79 on October 08, 2013, 03:27:31 AM
Those FF games are god awful on tablets.  Cant stand playing it with weird controls.  Unless they got those new controller setups allowed for the tablets.
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Post by: archnemesis on October 08, 2013, 03:32:00 AM
The 3D FF games are a lot prettier on tablets than on the low-res NDS screen, but they still control horribly. Fortunately there are still plenty of games being released for PC, home consoles, and handhelds so I can ignore mediocre mobile games for another decade.
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Post by: magus on October 08, 2013, 06:33:04 AM
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/41/1381216891-3.jpg)

wow i didn't think a cellphone could pull that... that said i don't remember any old man in DQ8 so are they adding new stuff too?
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Post by: Huff on October 08, 2013, 07:00:42 AM
Can't wait for 11 on a glorious non 3DS screen
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 08, 2013, 08:05:08 AM
LOL at Nintards thinking DQ's future is on the 3DS.
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Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 08:34:13 AM
Hey tiesto - Executive DQ producer Yuu Miyake on the future of DQ:

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One thing I can say," he said, "looking across the series from DQ8 onward, is that the business model of creating a retail package and releasing it exclusively on a single platform has become difficult to execute. Gamers' play styles and tastes are getting segmented, and we can't settle on a single platform. We're also in an era where trying to make back development costs on a title good enough to be part of the main story is getting more difficult with the traditional business model. We have to build a new business model, one that doesn't end with a retail package being purchased.

Enjoy your 30 years worth of gametime backlog then! You fucking gaming dinosaur!

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:shh still :heart u
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Sounds good, we can play old DOS dungeon crawl RPGs together!  :-*
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 12:00:28 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=85279474&postcount=410
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=85279858&postcount=425
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=85280413&postcount=444

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Post by: archnemesis on October 08, 2013, 12:03:11 PM
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Both posters are right on point. DQ9 wasn't bad, but I do consider it a step in the wrong direction.
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Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 12:04:33 PM
I rather liked 8's more focused approach to a storyline.
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 12:07:43 PM
I'm going to regret this damning statement but, DQ8 is for casuals and DQ virgins. DQ8 was my first DQ, and I loved it. Then I went back - after playing the entire series. Its dungeons are terrible, it reuses entire storylines, alchemy pot sucks, battles are atrociously long in favor of classic DQ swiftness. DQ9 is objectively better than 8 in almost every single category, short of characters, and MAYBE story. And DQ has never been about characters, aside from VIII. DQ is about the world, the world and its vignettes are the characters these people crave.

If graphics and characters are your priority, sure, DQIX may be a step back!
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 12:10:19 PM
You hit stuff, you level up, and you buy better gear. All the same to me.
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Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2013, 12:19:44 PM
You hit stuff, you level up, and you buy better gear. All the same to me.

Sounds good to me. I know it's not as good as Pokemon but I always wanted to get into DQ.

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:bluesteel
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Post by: Diunx on October 08, 2013, 12:38:16 PM
:zzz
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 08, 2013, 12:39:23 PM
You hit stuff, you level up, and you buy better gear. All the same to me.

Sounds good to me. I know it's not as good as Pokemon but I always wanted to get into DQ.

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:bluesteel
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Goddammitandrex.
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 12:41:43 PM
To be fair, DQ8 would actually be playable in 2013 with random encounters taken out and the option for first person battles.
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Post by: Diunx on October 08, 2013, 12:41:48 PM
I'm going to regret this damning statement but, DQ8 is for casuals and DQ virgins. DQ8 was my first DQ, and I loved it. Then I went back - after playing the entire series. Its dungeons are terrible, it reuses entire storylines, alchemy pot sucks, battles are atrociously long in favor of classic DQ swiftness. DQ9 is objectively better than 8 in almost every single category, short of characters, and MAYBE story. And DQ has never been about characters, aside from VIII. DQ is about the world, the world and its vignettes are the characters these people crave.

If graphics and characters are your priority, sure, DQIX may be a step back!

DQ 9 was terrible, couldn't even finish that shit.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 08, 2013, 12:44:44 PM
Here ya go, tiesto:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=40952.0
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Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2013, 12:54:07 PM
You hit stuff, you level up, and you buy better gear. All the same to me.

Sounds good to me. I know it's not as good as Pokemon but I always wanted to get into DQ.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:bluesteel
[close]

Goddammitandrex.

(http://i.imgur.com/wkeYFqi.jpg)
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Post by: bluemax on October 08, 2013, 03:14:53 PM
DQ8 and DQ9 were probably the worst ones in the series. Maybe in portable form the shittiness of 8 will be lessened.
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 04:11:39 PM
8 and 9 are no way worse than 2. ???

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 08, 2013, 04:15:07 PM
I loved DQVIII.

[shrug]
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 05:07:34 PM
I like every DQ.

/shrug
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Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 06:20:57 PM
Loved 8, wasn't as into 9... wasn't too crazy about the lack of characterization (8's characters were awesome), the ugly DS graphics, and especially the really bad music in 9 (Sugiyama's worst).
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 06:31:24 PM
9's music problem is the rescue of old tracks. But Sugiyama is old.
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Post by: Yulwei on October 08, 2013, 06:46:01 PM
DQ8 and DQ9 were probably the worst ones in the series. Maybe in portable form the shittiness of 8 will be lessened.

IDK man DQ1-7 are pretty much unplayable in this day and age. They might have been decent in their time, but even back then there were much better RPGs around. The only redeeming features of the old DQs is their writing style and music, and DQ8 completely eclipses them in those areas and everything else.

DQ9 could have been fun if it wasn't for the lack of a challenge, character and decent graphics. 

DQ8 = Easily one of the best JRPGs ever imo
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 07:24:26 PM
Past DQ's have a sense of character progression, DQ8 is just dumping points into stats. It's very basic and lacks the customization of past games, particularly 3 and 7. DQ8's battles are also slow as molasses, another x. The difficulty in DQ8 isn't really that high, so I have no idea why you'd think DQ8's challenge is fine.  I find DQ9 more challenging than 8, especially given how expensive armor is and how often you need to start a class at level 1. Past DQ's have much better dungeons and vignettes. DQ5 and arguably 4 have better writing than DQ8, I certainly felt more emotional towards 4 than 8. That's without mentioning 7 which has the best vignettes in the series, though the overall plot isn't as personal as 5's.

1-7 are completely playable. :beli

Also DQ9 has the best graphics on the Nintendo ds. It's a beautiful game considering its limitations.

I find most people prefer 8 because of things like graphics and characters and voice acting. The characters are great, but the rest is pretty much extra stuffing.

I really like VIII, but almost every time someone says it's the best DQ it's from some superficial thing like graphics and you can kinda tell they don't like oldschool rpgs to begin with. :yeshrug or they're Playstation RPGers like Kagari :yeshrug
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Post by: Yulwei on October 08, 2013, 07:51:17 PM
All DQ games are really basic though. I mean you get a handful of skills for each job in the old DQs and that's it. That's not more customization, it's just divided up into a bunch of jobs in a clunky job system. In DQ8 it is centralized on the four main characters, and is open for the player to mess around with right away.

DQ8 is definitely the most challenging in the series. One of the reasons battles were slow is due to how you can get your shit wrecked in a random encounter. Compared to DQ9/7/5/3 where I didn't die a single time it is like night and day in that aspect.

The plot/characters in the DQ franchise as a whole are extremely shallow and only stand out due to the light hearted writing style that always plays it straight. In that aspect DQ8 also dominates.

DQ is a superficial series. Isn't that the entire point? Without all its superficial charm it's just another one of the endless suck-ass RPGs from Japan.

And DQ9? Beautiful? :dead
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
:what
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2013, 08:03:55 PM
Dragon Quest are old games for old fegs, bring on Lightning Returns. :rejoice
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Post by: Yulwei on October 08, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Oh and your bit about the dungeons is amusing since DQ dungeons of old were almost all empty and made up of the same few color-swapped tiles. If you want to talk about good old school console rpg dungeon design then lets talk Lufia 2  8)
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Post by: Yulwei on October 08, 2013, 08:06:18 PM
I can't wait to play dress-up with Lightning  8)
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 08:08:28 PM
Oh and your bit about the dungeons is amusing since DQ dungeons of old were almost all empty and made up of the same few color-swapped tiles. If you want to talk about good old school console rpg dungeon design then lets talk Lufia 2  8)

Are you a Magus alt?
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Post by: demi on October 08, 2013, 08:08:53 PM
Oh and your bit about the dungeons is amusing since DQ dungeons of old were almost all empty and made up of the same few color-swapped tiles. If you want to talk about good old school console rpg dungeon design then lets talk Lufia 2  8)

Been playing Vay on my iPod at work lately. So old. So school.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/vay/id284940607?mt=8
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Post by: Yulwei on October 08, 2013, 08:22:14 PM
Oh and your bit about the dungeons is amusing since DQ dungeons of old were almost all empty and made up of the same few color-swapped tiles. If you want to talk about good old school console rpg dungeon design then lets talk Lufia 2  8)

Are you a Magus alt?

lol
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 08:53:07 PM
1 is definitely a low-tier DQ for me, but DQ1 still has...novelty in its simplicity. I like it. But I don't love it. DQ2 potentially has all the makings of a classic but is highly flawed. I still enjoy the re-releases SNES and GBC versions a lot more than DQ1 though. DQ3 is really when the series gets into something special, and this continues onward with 4 and especially 5.

I can see why you'd think the series peaked at 5, however. 6 and 7 are basically reiterations of earlier ideas (namely DQ3 and CT). That being said, 7, I think has all of the best attributes of Chrono Trigger more so than DQ6. At its best, it's certainly better written than CT, and I think it explores the sense of time travel better than CT did. The main problem with 7 is its bloat, which CT simply does not experience.

In regards to VIII and IX, I really love both, though I'd place IX as a mid-tier game, and VIII as a low-tier game. Both are easily above 1 and 2, however. Though 2 has more memorable gameplay than 8.

It's pretty clear that they wanted to do something different with 9, and I can't blame them. I'm looking forward to 11 to see what they've got planned, but I'm more worried about Sugiyama than anything else.
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Post by: magus on October 08, 2013, 08:55:52 PM
Oh and your bit about the dungeons is amusing since DQ dungeons of old were almost all empty and made up of the same few color-swapped tiles. If you want to talk about good old school console rpg dungeon design then lets talk Lufia 2  8)

Are you a Magus alt?

I can't wait to play dress-up with Lightning  8)

i would have never said that :wag

but i do agree on DQ being a lame rpg series :heh
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Post by: Diunx on October 08, 2013, 10:38:46 PM

Also DQ9 has the best graphics on the Nintendo ds. It's a beautiful game considering its limitations.


:dead :dead
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 11:30:51 PM
I'm not really interested in arguing. It's what I think. Nothing can change that.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2013, 11:42:47 PM
That does sound delicious.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on October 09, 2013, 12:34:27 PM
Sugiyama needs to go away, he makes jammin tunes but his political views make him a walking piece of feces
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2013, 12:35:23 PM
Sugiyama is old. He will go away sooner than you think.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 09, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
When Sugiyama dies, he gets to go to the special Hell for extra terrible people.
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
What's the deal with this Sugi chap?
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Post by: Himu on October 09, 2013, 02:43:09 PM
I am ignorant of Sugiyama's politics? All I know is that when Uematsu did the Opera Scene in FFVI, Sugiyama listened to the soundtrack and sent Uematsu some call or something and he was like WHY DIDNT YOU CALL ME FOR ADVICE WHEN YOU WERE DOING OPERA? But I don't know anything about his politics.

Does Sugiyama subscribe to the idea of Japanese superiority?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2013, 02:46:01 PM
noted ds graphics experts himuro and diunx having it out in the field of combat

Which one gave you the least eye cancer?
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2013, 02:50:03 PM
Sugiyama is a Rape of Nanking denier.
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Post by: Himu on October 09, 2013, 02:52:40 PM
Ugggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 09, 2013, 03:01:11 PM
Not just a "denier" - he's one of the leaders of the denial movement. He's taken out full page ads in Yomiuri Shimbun denying, donates to several militant right-wing political groups, fronts at least one of them, etc.

It's like saying Orson Scott Card "does't think gay people should get married" - well, yes, that's one way of putting it.

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Tascar/koichi-sugiyama-my-love-hate-relationship-with-the-quot-big-boss-of-game-music-quot--178835.phtml
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Steve Contra on October 09, 2013, 03:05:23 PM
 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2013, 03:07:56 PM
Oh well. I will take solace in that Sugiyama is just another human being. It isn't my place to judge. If he wants to be a fool and deny such methods of human brutality, let him. He won't be any happier despite his riches or his transgressions. Still, it is pretty shocking to find out about.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 09, 2013, 03:09:04 PM
:kobeyuck

Actually, I had forgotten that he later took out a full page ad in ENGLISH in the WASHINGTON POST denying the Rape of Nanking ever happened or that comfort women ever existed.

http://kotaku.com/5901590/the-sad-story-of-a-japanese-gaming-legend-who-pretends-war-crimes-never-happened

So, he's denying WWII war crimes to AMERICANS DIRECTLY which is some pretty huge denial cojones.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2013, 03:11:28 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 09, 2013, 03:12:27 PM
I am trying to track down the actual letter, as I've never seen it. Here's an article he wrote later about the paid advertisement: http://studyofenglish.wordpress.com/2007/09/20/paid-advertisement-concerning-%E2%80%9Ccomfort-women%E2%80%9D-run-in-the-washington-post/
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 09, 2013, 03:19:57 PM
This list of signatories shows he was one of the 5 authors of the advertisement ("The Facts") with Japanese Diet members as signatories, not authors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_House_Resolution_121

More info about the signatories and committees involved: http://www.jiaponline.org/documents/Jun14AdALLSignatoriesLIST.pdf

Seriously, dude's in deep.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 09, 2013, 03:22:31 PM
found it. hidden due to size.

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(http://studyofenglish.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/ianfu_washingtonpost_thefacts_070614.jpg)
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Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2013, 03:37:11 PM
Why does he deny it? He was 7-8 when it occurred. Was his father one of the men who participated?
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Steve Contra on October 09, 2013, 03:40:48 PM
Because he's a fucking racist, nationalist asshole
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 09, 2013, 08:14:37 PM
DQ5 is the family generational one right? That sounds pretty good, I think I'd like that to be the first one I play. It's on the DS right?
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: magus on October 09, 2013, 08:28:21 PM
DQ5 is the family generational one right? That sounds pretty good, I think I'd like that to be the first one I play. It's on the DS right?

yes and yes

or you could play the original snes fantranslated

or the ps2 remake fantranslated (which is different and feature's actual 3D graphics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Kkdn-6tBg
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Positive Touch on October 09, 2013, 08:54:08 PM
i dont think its much of a stretch to say it prolly goes on in most major wars. what was the name of that huge prison the us ran in iraq? there was word that lots of that was going on over there, but from what i'd heard the pics and details were only shown to congress and not leaked to the media.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
Why does he deny it? He was 7-8 when it occurred. Was his father one of the men who participated?

uh, he was at exactly the right age to have his worldview warped by people around him.  it's disgustingly common for people his age to deny the "comfort women" (can we just call them what they were, sex slaves?) situation.  which is not to say it's excusable behaviour at all, it's fucking reprehensible, but what worries me more is when younger guys like the mayor of osaka toru hashimoto join in on the chorus. 

the whole military sex slave thing is just awful as fuck.  when i was digging around about japan's history on that, i found out koreans and americans did it too during the korean war and stuff.  makes me wonder if that shit still goes on today on the sly.

Makes a lot of sense and it makes me sad.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2013, 08:39:14 AM
They still haven't fixed the slow battles. Unless they allow first person mode or allow a DQ9 battle speed, I won't be getting DQ8 mobile. If a battle turn lasts an average of 20-30 seconds again, I'm not getting it. Then again the heros attack was fast as hell. Maybe they have it on default speed.

I'm more interested in DQ7. :yeshrug
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2013, 08:53:15 AM
Yup. That first turn to battle took over 20 seconds. :beli

Looks great!

Sadly I have no incentives to re-play the game again (it is quite long). I've beaten all mainline DQ games (1-9) and really, really, really do not like the idea of replaying those games again from scratch.

Oscar, your insight on where DQ11 will end up? 3DS is a lock, no?

To be fair borys, until 7, the average clock for a dq game is like 25-30 hours.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: demi on October 10, 2013, 08:56:11 AM
What device is that? Looked kind of sluggish. I am sure it will be ironed out, though. All square enix games on iOS have been rock solid. They even got FFT to run on my iPod, and FF4 DS.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: archnemesis on October 10, 2013, 09:16:56 AM
The DS version of DQ6 didn't feel that long. Did they cut anything from it?
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2013, 09:26:11 AM
Oh wow. Dq6 took me like 40. Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2013, 11:08:35 AM
Does this increase or decrease the likelihood of DQ7 3DS USA
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2013, 11:09:41 AM
That's what I want to know.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2013, 02:03:56 PM
I will sacrifice a virgin ninthing to get dq7 3ds to the US if that's what it takes
Title: Re: Dragon Quest 1 - 8 coming to smartphones
Post by: Steve Contra on October 11, 2013, 02:33:13 PM
I will sacrifice a virgin ninthing to get dq7 3ds to the US if that's what it takes
No need to repeat yourself  :jawalrus