I do understand the complaint of it being safe, but to me this album makes perfect sense for Gaga. Listen to it all the way through, it's stoner pop. Gaga is a stoner.
I think it's better than Born this Way :yeshrug
She's been remaking the same album for awhile to diminishing returns. Time to switch up your flow Gaga.
25mil down the drain :heh
Bitch, you haven't even listened to it all yet. In thisthreadforum, Himu can't tolerate different opinions
Some of the electronic songs (fashion comes to mind I think) have an almost Discovery feel, one of my favorite albums of all time
The impending day when her fans cry "sellout!" Is upon us.
(... Not realizing she sold out day fucking one, you goops)
How is she manipulative for realizing she has a bunch of gay fans, and supporting their cause financially and in every other conceivable way? I've never gotten the impression she's just doing that to win fans. There are plenty of pop stars who have realized gay men buy nearly as much shit as straight women, and thus have embraced that market. I don't think Britney Spears gives a shit she's a "gay icon," nor do many pop acts. Gaga seems to genuinely care about that stuff.
The Fame Monster is definitely her best album and I doubt she will ever reach those highs again
The production for Artpop is terrible. Is this the same producer as TFM and BTW?
Also Maurice you are now witnessing the diversity of Gaga's fan base. Some support her no matter what (see: popgaf stans). Some like Zeph want a return to TFM's horror and bombastic sound. Some like me want her to experiment. Some want her to return to her early club roots.
How is she manipulative for realizing she has a bunch of gay fans, and supporting their cause financially and in every other conceivable way? I've never gotten the impression she's just doing that to win fans. There are plenty of pop stars who have realized gay men buy nearly as much shit as straight women, and thus have embraced that market. I don't think Britney Spears gives a shit she's a "gay icon," nor do many pop acts. Gaga seems to genuinely care about that stuff.
The Fame Monster is definitely her best album and I doubt she will ever reach those highs again
The production for Artpop is terrible. Is this the same producer as TFM and BTW?
Also Maurice you are now witnessing the diversity of Gaga's fan base. Some support her no matter what (see: popgaf stans). Some like Zeph want a return to TFM's horror and bombastic sound. Some like me want her to experiment. Some want her to return to her early club roots.
and based on this thread, it seems like most don't like Born This Way, as I said. I just find it odd to complain about a lack of innovation while championing a stale album.
How is she manipulative for realizing she has a bunch of gay fans, and supporting their cause financially and in every other conceivable way? I've never gotten the impression she's just doing that to win fans. There are plenty of pop stars who have realized gay men buy nearly as much shit as straight women, and thus have embraced that market. I don't think Britney Spears gives a shit she's a "gay icon," nor do many pop acts. Gaga seems to genuinely care about that stuff.
Maybe a I am a bit too cynical, but from where I'm standing she's a always been the privileged kid who didn't make it as herself and had to transform her image and sound based on a thorough market research. I still enjoy some of her tracks, corporate or otherwise, but she does outside the studio ever felt genuine to me. That's not saying she's different than many others in that respect, but she has many millitant people defending her as "different" and "not like the others" which is is BS if you ask me.
How is she manipulative for realizing she has a bunch of gay fans, and supporting their cause financially and in every other conceivable way? I've never gotten the impression she's just doing that to win fans. There are plenty of pop stars who have realized gay men buy nearly as much shit as straight women, and thus have embraced that market. I don't think Britney Spears gives a shit she's a "gay icon," nor do many pop acts. Gaga seems to genuinely care about that stuff.
Maybe a I am a bit too cynical, but from where I'm standing she's a always been the privileged kid who didn't make it as herself and had to transform her image and sound based on a thorough market research. I still enjoy some of her tracks, corporate or otherwise, but she does outside the studio ever felt genuine to me. That's not saying she's different than many others in that respect, but she has many millitant people defending her as "different" and "not like the others" which is is BS if you ask me.
I'm sorry but I don't even like Gaga and that's not true. She under performed as a regular artist, found her image, and succeeded? That explains so many pop and rock stars over the last 50 years. What market research was done? She got big at a time when unce unce unce wasn't dominating mainstream radio yet, and no other pop artists at the time had similar looks. It's not like Jimmy Iovine had her in a lab, testing her viability. She put out a couple huge hits and exploded.
If you want market tested/lab created, look at Rihanna.
Miley has two real hits, Party in the USA and We Can't Stop.:umad this dude doesn't own a radio I guess
Nothing else.
If you're arguing about the originality or songwriting talent or production of pop stars, you already lost (hilarious given that you're backing gaga while saying that, btw... Who is a carbon copy of Madonna).
Might as well go with the one that has the bangers and club hits cause thats all that matters in the genre. It's not really a musical genre of any worth besides catchability.
Rihanna: Over the past eight years, Rihanna has rather inexplicably morphed into our most reliable pop star, consistently delivering bangers with multi-format appeal and experimenting with unapologetic (hardy har, I'm sorry, that was cheap) abandon. Rih's issue lies with her pace (seven albums in eight years!), a breakneck release schedule that has rendered her yearly albums into four great singles surrounded by 7 questionable though sometimes fleetingly-fun filler tracks. Even her best LPs (Good Girl Gone Bad, Loud) are a smorgasbord of genres that don't hold together as albums.
Rih's 2014 move is to make a pointed artistic statement. Or just any statement, really. Basically I will accept a record that is ethereally coherent as long as it's not 13 completely random tracks recorded with 16,879 different collaborators. And since Rihanna so openly loves the "D," I'm gonna go ahead and suggest two huge "D"s that could touch her in places she never even knew existed, artistically: Drake and Diplo. Drake would be a great executive producer if Rihanna opts for a moody, emo-futuristic R&B album. Diplo could serve the same function should she want to reconnect with her dancehall and reggae roots. Two "D"s, both exciting prospects. Whatever the case, the one "D" she needs to steer way clear of is David Guetta.
Katy Perry: For you, Ms. Perry, my prescription is simple: Do anything else. Literally anything at all. Witch-house? Fine. A cover album of classic, medieval bard tunes from the Nordic region? Super! A dubstep / string-quartet hybrid where you appear playing only a distorted, wobbling electric viola for 14 tracks? Well, that'd be just stupendous. All I'm saying is do anything besides another album where an apparently intelligent, 30-year-old divorcee sings the lyrics "I went from zero to my own hero" with a straight face. Cool? Cool.
Chris Brown: Just don't, ever again.
Justin Bieber: You either.
Robin Thicke: You most of all.
Lady GaGa: I have to confess something: I kinda like ARTPOP in spite of itself. Sure, it's not the "reverse-Warholian" mind-fuck GaGa may or may not think it is, but we should be thanking God for that! It's mostly just fun, dumb pop songs with soaring melodies and a lot of GaGa's freakishly bizarre yet compelling personality.
That said, it's not a great album by any means (it contains a "trap" song called "Jewels 'N Drugs," after all) but I think GaGa might really have the potential for greatness. By my count, she needs to drive further towards the '80s arena-rock sound that she began to develop of Born This Way. Her most compelling post-"Bad Romance" tunes have been the Springsteen-ian "Edge of Glory," the Queen-esque (Queeny?) stomp of "You and I" and on her current album, the Bon Jovi-goes-Elton John bar-rattler, "Gypsy." Bottom line: GaGa's a classic rocker pretending to be a disco-queen and I believe her future success lies mostly in the former but with an eye on the fun inherent in the latter. Got it? Fun-spirited, unpretentious, post-Springsteenian arena rock mixed with a touch of nu-disco, sprinkled with club-shaking dance-pop and a big ole wink. See? Easy!
Britney Spears: Dear Brit, Don't take this the wrong way, but it's been clear to some of us in the group for a while that your heart's really not in the whole song-and-dance routine anymore. Since I feel like no one's telling you this, I'm taking on the responsibility myself: You don't have to do this anymore! You're free!
Look: You did it, you made it to the top. We're all SOO proud! Now take your millions and Sean and Jaden and Jeremiah and whatever other kids you have stashed in that Malibu McMansion, go back to Louisiana and open up that roadside 'Po-Boy' stand you've always dreamed of! Cop an airboat at Home Depot and cruise around the bayou! Tan just a little bit too much and hunt some alligators. Watch all the football and eat all the Cheetos your precious little heart desires. You deserve it!
And on the note of deserving things, we deserve to never ever hear "Scream & Shout" ever again.
This should be the last time I hear Janelle Monae described as a "highlight reel of black music". Come the fuck on.
Or you can just shut the fuck up and listen to Janelle. Is she even pop? Sometimes I hesitate labeling her so.
I guess. She basically just is an updated highlight reel of black music with her own songwriting knacks thrown in. And yeah, she makes pop music.
Monae would probably be SO popular if she was white.
Meh, i dunno. She doesn't really make hits per se. I guess the closest comparison we have is someone like Adele maybe.
The only artist in this thread that uses "LGBT bait" is Lady Gaga. Monae has subtlely to overtly included LGBT references ever since her unreleased studio album, but it's never been a focal point. In fact, the press puts it on her because all these people think Monae is lesbian.This should be the last time I hear Janelle Monae described as a "highlight reel of black music". Come the fuck on.
And yeah, she does *some* pop music. Tightrope, Dance Apocalyptic, and Q.U.E.E.N. are the only songs even close, and they're a blend of genres themselves. Most of what she produces is not pop music, though.
:yeshrug the truth is hard to accept sometimes. But that's what she does. She makes updated versions and tributes. There's nothing wrong with that either; why do you think she overcompensates with LGBT bait and her style? It's because she needs a selling point, just like every other major label artist.Throwaway Coli Post Machine Vs. Master of All Hyperboles?Fuck off.
Why?
Isn't like half of Monae's band gay?I hope her bongo drummer/tribal drum whatever player is gay. What a hot piece of white muscle cub goodness.
BTW that article seems ridiculous. It compares previous SNL bumps to Gaga without mentioning all three artists listed had signifigantly less name recognition/popularity than Gaga. It's like an Apple ad leading to some unknown indie band's album getting an increase in downloads.
Miley Cyrus released three huge videos, had the entire media focused on her, had a hit song, "shocking" live performance...and only did 250k. Gaga is tracking towards 260k without a hit single or noteworthy video. To me this points more to the general law of diminishing returns in music sales now, plus of course the fact that Artpop wasn't being sold on Amazon for 99cents like Born This Way was. And, of course, the lack of a hit single.
Eminem is destroying everybody sales wise, right now; doesn't matter how shitty the album is, there will apparently always be 1mil white people ready to give him $14. And while Katy Perry's album sold <300k first week I'm assuming it'll have very long legs due to multiple singles being released over the next few months; just like her last album. Meanwhile I think Miley Cyrus is a flash in the pan type artist who will disappear the minute something else arrives (Rihanna's next album).
I'd imagine Gaga has a 360 deal as well, which is good news for Interscope. Her last two tours grossed more than $100mil each iirc
I've been listening to this album, and think it's pretty much right in line with where she was going with The Fame Monster. There's nothing surprising, and it is along the same trajectory; not sure what people wanted. I like it quite a bit.I can't speak for everybody, but I was hoping she'd iterate on the direction she went with Born This Way. For a moment it seemed like she was moving past the airy pop music, but Artpop does a U-turn right back into it.
apparently she lied about her album sales recently and the fact that she's playing much smaller venues for her Artpop tour means this baby is on the decline
I've been listening to this album, and think it's pretty much right in line with where she was going with The Fame Monster. There's nothing surprising, and it is along the same trajectory; not sure what people wanted. I like it quite a bit.I can't speak for everybody, but I was hoping she'd iterate on the direction she went with Born This Way. For a moment it seemed like she was moving past the airy pop music, but Artpop does a U-turn right back into it.
apparently she lied about her album sales recently and the fact that she's playing much smaller venues for her Artpop tour means this baby is on the decline
Ah, so she did: http://www.examiner.com/article/lady-gaga-lies-about-album-sales-as-career-continues-to-crash
Same thing is apparently happening to Kanye West (poor selling album, shit ticket sales)
oh, they have some beef with her? not as fun.apparently she lied about her album sales recently and the fact that she's playing much smaller venues for her Artpop tour means this baby is on the decline
Ah, so she did: http://www.examiner.com/article/lady-gaga-lies-about-album-sales-as-career-continues-to-crash
Same thing is apparently happening to Kanye West (poor selling album, shit ticket sales)
Do not trust Examiner when it comes to Gaga. There are writers there who have it out for her and will report outright lies. For example, the people being laid off rumor.
The foundation, which lists Gaga’s lovely mom, Cynthia Germanotta, as president, had a lot of expenses in 2012 that had nothing to do with helping anyone. They spent $300,000 on “Strategic Consulting (web, digital),” $62,836 on “Stage Productions (Harvard, LA, UN),” $50,000 on “Social Media,” and another almost $50,000 on “Event Coordination.”
What?
Born this Way also spent: $808,661 on “other”; $406,552 on “Legal”; $150,000 on “Philanthropic Consulting”; $60,000 on “research”; 58,768 on “Publicity fees”; $78,000 on “travel”. They spent $72,000 on salaries– presumably for running the Born this Way bus, although that episode had its own expense line.
Under ‘grants to organizations or individuals”: $5000. Five thousand dollars.
this woman :what
http://bzfd.it/1m2fi3Y
and
http://variety.com/2014/music/news/lady-gaga-slams-music-industry-at-sxsw-keynote-dont-sell-out-to-this-business-1201133455/
:what
this woman :what
http://bzfd.it/1m2fi3Y
and
http://variety.com/2014/music/news/lady-gaga-slams-music-industry-at-sxsw-keynote-dont-sell-out-to-this-business-1201133455/
:what
I feel like Gaga's work, at least visually, has favored a strong connection to the cheaply provocative, lurid, and pornographic. Oddly, I'm more interested in the vomit artist's regular work in its normal context, rather than this girl-on-girl emetophilia. It could be a remarkably deep statement about what drives an artist, but in the on-stage supportive performance with Gaga, it speaks an entirely different message.