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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Eschaton on November 26, 2013, 11:37:25 AM

Title: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Eschaton on November 26, 2013, 11:37:25 AM
Looks like a box :whew

(http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/adam/8aef66f370312e1a6b0809b609038689/steammachines837ibuypower.jpg)
(http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/13/nov/steammachine.jpg)

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/25/5146398/ibuypower-steam-machine-499-radeon-r9-270

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Valve's official Steam Machine prototype isn't cheap, but it won't be the only Steam-powered video-game console available come 2014. This morning, iBuyPower revealed a prototype of its own upcoming Steam Machine, which will go on sale for just $499 next year. For the price of an Xbox One, the computer will offer a multicore AMD CPU and a discrete AMD Radeon R9 270 graphics card — that's a $180 GPU all by itself — and come with Valve's Steam Controller as part of the package deal.

The company says the box is bigger than a PlayStation 4 but smaller than Microsoft's Xbox One, and comes standard with Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and a 500GB hard drive. The glossy white case also has a fully customizable light bar running down the center channel, and an integrated power supply. You won't have to find room for a power brick on your home entertainment center shelves.

Ibuypower-steam-machine-560

For the price, you won't be getting Windows, only Valve's Linux-based Steam OS, which could be an issue starting out. While Valve has quite a few games running on Linux already, and says that major game developers will be building triple-A game titles specifically for Steam OS in 2014, it's not quite the same as having the entire Windows catalog as a fallback. Still, iBuyPower says that existing Steam for Linux games should run quite well, at full 1080p resolution and 60 frames per second. We're looking forward to see just how much power iBuyPower can provide for under $500.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Himu on November 26, 2013, 11:41:45 AM
Can you replace the cpu and gpu? AMD graphics and processors.  :beli
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Himu on November 26, 2013, 11:44:52 AM
Don't tell me you like AMD. :beli
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 26, 2013, 11:49:32 AM
I WANT EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO NEED
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Yulwei on November 26, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
iBuyPower is a garbage company and you can bet that thing is not going to last more than 6 months.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 26, 2013, 12:59:55 PM
Linux only?

This is basically sent to die unless Valve starts converting its titles to Linux

Are there gonna be other steam boxes that are Windows convertible?
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 26, 2013, 01:12:31 PM
"existing Steam for Linux games should run quite well, at full 1080p resolution and 60 frames per second."

So ... 10-year-old Source engine games will be running at 1080p and 60fps?  :lenowned
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Pringo on November 26, 2013, 01:12:35 PM
Linux only?

This is basically sent to die unless Valve starts converting its titles to Linux

Are there gonna be other steam boxes that are Windows convertible?

Aren't these Steam Machines just custom built gaming PCs? As far as I know you should be able to install Windows if you feel like it. I do agree that the success of this program seems highly dependent on Valve getting significantly better Linux support for games.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 26, 2013, 01:18:36 PM
Why even buy a steam box if you have to install Windows 8 by yourself?  SMH
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2013, 01:18:57 PM
Linux only?

:rejoice

"existing Steam for Linux games should run quite well, at full 1080p resolution and 60 frames per second."

So ... 10-year-old Source engine games will be running at 1080p and 60fps?  :lenowned

Indies. :rejoice

(Still automatically a better launch line up than PS4/Xbone.)
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: hampster on November 26, 2013, 01:25:09 PM
How much does Windows 8 cost these days for non-students like myself (or 7 if they still sell that I guess).

My 5 year old dell desktop won't last forever :'( I was thinking about trying my hand at building a PC eventually but a ~$500 steambox wouldn't be so bad if I had a spare windows key. Does Microsoft do black friday ???
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 26, 2013, 01:27:26 PM
How much does Windows 8 cost these days for non-students like myself (or 7 if they still sell that I guess).

About $100.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 26, 2013, 01:37:23 PM
Self-installing Windows 8 defeats the whole purpose of a Steam box which is to make PC gaming easy for everybody.

Gaben might as well put out a list of his recommended components. 
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: headwalk on November 26, 2013, 01:41:56 PM
How much does Windows 8 cost these days for non-students like myself (or 7 if they still sell that I guess).

About $100.

there are plenty of OEM codes floating around for well under half that. try http://www.reddit.com/r/softwareswap.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2013, 01:46:55 PM
Self-installing Windows 8 defeats the whole purpose of a Steam box which is to make PC gaming easy for everybody.

Gaben might as well put out a list of his recommended components.

I would say fewer than 5% of people who buy this will then install Windows 8 on it. Think of it like a new console. It's meant to compete with Xbone, not gaming PC's, and is priced appropriately. The performance increase is just a benefit of the Steambox model.

The launch lineup of 400 games already puts the PS4/Xbone to shame. (http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/)
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2013, 01:52:47 PM
Self-installing Windows 8 defeats the whole purpose of a Steam box which is to make PC gaming easy for everybody.

Gaben might as well put out a list of his recommended components.

I would say fewer than 5% of people who buy this will then install Windows 8 on it. Think of it like a new console. It's meant to compete with Xbone, not gaming PC's, and is priced appropriately. The performance increase is just a benefit of the Steambox model.

The launch lineup of 400 games already puts the PS4/Xbone to shame. (http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/)

lol. With all those great games (print screen of top selling linux games on steam) and it being linux I'm sure these steam machines are going to sell millions then!
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 26, 2013, 01:54:04 PM
That's my point.  I got nothing against Linux but there are way too many games missing from that catalog.  No way it could compete against PS4/Xbone with so many big titles missing. 
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2013, 01:59:53 PM
That's my point.  I got nothing against Linux but there are way too many games missing from that catalog.  No way it could compete against PS4/Xbone with so many big titles missing.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/1z3t5pd.jpg)


Surely this is what the mainstream wants!


While I'm sure Valve will make a bigger push to get bigger games on the os, let's be real about this device and what its facing.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2013, 02:46:39 PM
Fez
Super Meat Boy
Metro Last Light
Dota 2
Shadowrun Returns
Amnesia 2
Hotline Miami

The fuck does Xbone have? Ryse? :heh That console ain't even BC.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MCD on November 26, 2013, 03:14:50 PM
You really are delusional.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on November 26, 2013, 03:36:39 PM
First third party box out the gate and it's already a giant fucking LED strip all around. :lol
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: cool breeze on November 26, 2013, 03:50:24 PM
$500 with the controller actually isn't too bad, actually.  On its own I'm guessing the controller will probably be somewhere between $60 and $100.

First third party box out the gate and it's already a giant fucking LED strip all around. :lol

LED strips on everything.  1980s future, here we come :aah

although I'd expect a gabebox to be black with a white strip in the middle...

Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Esch :rejoice
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 26, 2013, 04:22:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HIOvOnG.png)(http://i.imgur.com/HIOvOnG.png)(http://i.imgur.com/HIOvOnG.png)
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Your Stalker on November 26, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
why aren't sfags scared too?
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2013, 04:28:15 PM
This is basically sent to die unless Valve starts converting its titles to Linux
If you mean just Valve, they've already got all their games on Linux. Except maybe L4D? 2 is on there anyway so who gives a fuck.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MCD on November 26, 2013, 04:46:19 PM
You really are delusional.
:yeshrug its a scary time for you, I get it. 2nd place in the console race, idle position in the pc gaming space slowly getting murked, execs flipping coins about whether to sell of xbox or not. It must be hard
(http://i.imgur.com/ObMfyKb.png)
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2013, 05:00:53 PM
Jesus Christ. Internet please kill me.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MCD on November 26, 2013, 05:01:31 PM
grow up.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on November 26, 2013, 05:07:16 PM
...and peddle products for free. :heh
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Huff on November 26, 2013, 05:14:26 PM
grow up.

haha hes really getting to you
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2013, 05:17:15 PM
grow up.

:umad
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 26, 2013, 05:48:57 PM
Shouldn't sfags be more scared if the main reason for buying a steam box is to play indies?

This is basically sent to die unless Valve starts converting its titles to Linux
If you mean just Valve, they've already got all their games on Linux. Except maybe L4D? 2 is on there anyway so who gives a fuck.

Not just Valve.  Where are the popular mainstream titles like Ass Creed, COD, Need  for Speed, etc.? 

Let's be real.  Ain't nobody dumb enough to spend $500 just to play slightly more advanced Android games.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 26, 2013, 06:10:48 PM
Over 400 games no one cares about!
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MCD on November 26, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
grow up.

haha hes really getting to you
his stupidity, that is.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: brob on November 26, 2013, 07:05:50 PM
That design is only justifiable if that thing plays laserdiscs and/or the LED can be programmed to strobe with the music in hotline miami.


Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 26, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
My Steambox is gonna be a i7-4770k and a 780ti with a long HDMI cable attached to it.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Huff on November 26, 2013, 08:56:46 PM
grow up.

haha hes really getting to you
his stupidity, that is.

(http://th1014.photobucket.com/albums/af263/springzzz/Gifs/th_lollerskates.gif)
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on November 26, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
That design is only justifiable if that thing plays laserdiscs and/or the LED can be programmed to strobe with the music in hotline miami.
Yes. Yes please.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2013, 09:35:08 PM
Open OS brehs. :aah
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/6/5281824/steam-machines-are-here-how-alienware-is-realizing-valve-console-dream

(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9658437/2013-12-04_16-45-37_large_verge_super_wide.jpg)

(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3822985/2013-12-04_16-48-08.jpg)

(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3822987/2013-12-04_16-59-21.jpg)

:bow :gaben :bow2

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Controller still looks goofy as heck.
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Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2014, 11:23:56 AM
I like trolling McD as much as the next guy brehs, but let's be real- shit isn't gonna sell to anybody with just shitty ass Linux. And no, I don't count the fandrexes of the world as people, so that statement stands.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 07, 2014, 11:24:14 AM
It's pretty sad when Alienware has the best looking box...

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Fuck that grey alien shite.
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Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2014, 11:27:38 AM
I like trolling McD as much as the next guy brehs, but let's be real- shit isn't gonna sell to anybody with just shitty ass Linux. And no, I don't count the fandrexes of the world as people, so that statement stands.

250+ games before launch. How many do PS4/Xbone have? :smug
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2014, 12:07:20 PM
For the record these are going to sell like shit compared to consoles but could still carve a market out compared to PC's (which are dying a flaming death thanks to Win8 anyways.) I mean fuck, even Chromebooks are eating MS's lunch.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2014, 12:11:11 PM
I like trolling McD as much as the next guy brehs, but let's be real- shit isn't gonna sell to anybody with just shitty ass Linux. And no, I don't count the fandrexes of the world as people, so that statement stands.

250+ games before launch. How many do PS4/Xbone have? :smug

The entire xbone playerbase of CoD:Doge is likely higher than the number of people who WANT to play all of the linux steam catalog. For reals, pull your head of your ass.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2014, 12:17:55 PM
See above post, yo.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 07, 2014, 12:21:48 PM
I wonder what percentage of these machines will immediately have a Windows partition installed on them as soon as they're purchased.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 07, 2014, 12:22:48 PM
For the record these are going to sell like shit compared to consoles but could still carve a market out compared to PC's (which are dying a flaming death thanks to Win8 anyways.) I mean fuck, even Chromebooks are eating MS's lunch.

http://youtu.be/gku_xU2BXBs
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2014, 02:18:23 PM
For the record these are going to sell like shit compared to consoles

Not buying it. I've been told (by some people on here) that everybody wants one of these things so I'm expecting blockbuster sales for such a mainstream gotta have product!
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Trent Dole on January 07, 2014, 05:02:07 PM
Why can't I just run an HDMI to my TV from my regular machine again?
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 07, 2014, 05:18:59 PM
Have to agree with the cogmeister here, no one is waiting for a linuxbox outside the niche hobby crowd.

Btw these are the same people that say that gaming on a macbook with integrated graphics at 15 fps is nice.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2014, 05:12:38 PM
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At its Steam Dev Days event, Valve announced that the Steam Controller no longer has a touchscreen.

The Steam Controller is Valve's "different kind of gamepad" to be used with the upcoming line of Steam Machines. When it was originally announced, the developer stated that the controller's touchscreen, "allows an infinite number of discrete actions to be made available to the player, without requiring an infinite number of physical buttons." According to reports from Endgadget and various Twitter posts, it seems Valve has changed its mind, as now instead of a touchscreen, the Steam Controller will have a directional-pad (D-PAD) and a standard ABXY button configuration that can be remapped. No word where on the controller they'll be yet.

 
These changes were made to help with backwards compatibility issues. Additionally, Valve thought that the touchscreen distracted folks from the games they were playing as they were constantly looking at their hands instead of their TVs. In the past, Valve has said it wanted the Steam Controller to be competitively priced with other controllers. This may have been another reason they ditched the screen.

Valve also revealed that the controller will have an API that's built in to Steam API for developers. This will help them integrate the Steam Controller into their games and it will support up to 16 Steam Controllers at once.

As for connectivity, the Steam Controller will use low latency Bluetooth. For power it will use two AA batteries.

 :goty
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: cool breeze on January 15, 2014, 05:28:24 PM
?

sounds better and more versatile than before (sans AA batteries).  biggest problem with it is the lack of any input prompts in-game but they can't really do anything about that.

edit: they moved the center eight buttons to a more accessible location and ditched the proposed touch screen
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeDa6qsCAAAqqnq.jpg:large)
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on January 15, 2014, 05:29:50 PM
Haha. So much for that. Any bets on the haptic touchpads going? The d-pad and face buttons need space.

This shit isn't going to be ready til next year. Steam machines are supposed to ship with them. So either they'll get delayed as well or they'll shi without a proper comfy couch control interface. Or can you use a 360 pad on Linux?

Valve don't know what the hell they're doing.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2014, 05:31:07 PM
I think the biggest problem is that they are feverishly trying to create a solution for a problem that doesn't exist in general.

I read a lot of negative feedback on the old controller from some people at CES after the initial reports way back that the whole experience with it was amazing.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on January 15, 2014, 05:34:56 PM
There's that, too. I trust that right now, they very much want to eventually get there, if for no other reason than to wean themselves off Microsoft's tit. But the way they're going about this... I don't know. This is "early access" for hardware and I don't know if that'll work.
The manufacturers which only slapped together a pretty standard but small PC have the right idea.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Purple Filth on January 15, 2014, 05:54:34 PM
Wait so they changed the most interesting thing?

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on January 15, 2014, 06:07:14 PM
Why the hate on the batteries? I'd rather have replacable batteries than built-in ones that have to be docked into a charging station or hooked up to the console while it's on (does the PS4 still require that, or can they charge in stand-by now?).

I didn't buy these Eneloops for nothing.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 15, 2014, 06:14:31 PM
Yeah, built in rechargeable batteries are convenient and all, but my otherwise perfectly fine pack-in  PS3 controller's battery life dropped considerably over time.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: The Sceneman on January 15, 2014, 06:24:37 PM
Fez
Super Meat Boy
Metro Last Light
Dota 2
Shadowrun Returns
Amnesia 2
Hotline Miami

The fuck does Xbone have? Ryse? :heh That console ain't even BC.

Fez - garbage
Super Meat Boy - shit
Metro Last Light - whatevs
Dota 2 - mobas are dogshit
Shadowrun Returns - whatever
Amnesia 2 - probably good
Hotline Miami - awesome

Sorry but Ryse beats out all of these games. The action packed levels gives you the element of ancient time Rome and the battles of the good old sword and shield along with blood thirsty combos that gives you the ability of hacking limbs off your filthy enemies.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Tasty on January 15, 2014, 06:40:38 PM
Fez
Super Meat Boy
Metro Last Light
Dota 2
Shadowrun Returns
Amnesia 2
Hotline Miami

The fuck does Xbone have? Ryse? :heh That console ain't even BC.

Fez - garbage
Super Meat Boy - shit
Metro Last Light - whatevs
Dota 2 - mobas are dogshit
Shadowrun Returns - whatever
Amnesia 2 - probably good
Hotline Miami - awesome

Sorry but Ryse beats out all of these games. The action packed levels gives you the element of ancient time Rome and the battles of the good old sword and shield along with blood thirsty combos that gives you the ability of hacking limbs off your filthy enemies.

(http://i.imgur.com/kYrCqwU.png)
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: cool breeze on January 15, 2014, 06:50:48 PM
Why the hate on the batteries? I'd rather have replacable batteries than built-in ones that have to be docked into a charging station or hooked up to the console while it's on (does the PS4 still require that, or can they charge in stand-by now?).

I didn't buy these Eneloops for nothing.

it depends on how it works.  360 controller kinda sucks because you can't charge the batteries while they're in the controller.  my logitech mouse uses an eneloop and charges with a micro usb cable.  it's not specifically AA batteries; nintendo's stuff also suck for using proprietary cables.  most gadgets these days simply use usb to charge.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MCD on January 15, 2014, 06:51:59 PM
Why the hate on the batteries? I'd rather have replacable batteries than built-in ones that have to be docked into a charging station or hooked up to the console while it's on (does the PS4 still require that, or can they charge in stand-by now?).

I didn't buy these Eneloops for nothing.

I just think it usually looks and feels trashy, theres really nothing wrong with it i guess. I never have a problem with battery life or charging my shit cause I'm really anal about charging my stuff after i'm done using it.
Valve could always a charge and play pack.

The 360 one sucked but the X1 basically makes it like a PS3/PS4 controller.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MCD on January 15, 2014, 06:56:54 PM
Yes, they are going all out it seems. Music, Movie, Games etc.

This will be dangerous for console makers in the long run.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 15, 2014, 07:51:20 PM
I wonder what percentage of these machines will immediately have a Windows partition installed on them as soon as they're purchased.

"Partition"? Why would I keep SteamOS around?
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 15, 2014, 08:45:41 PM
Laughing at SteamOS fans in 2016 will be the next-gen version of laughing at Nintendo fans in 2014.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 15, 2014, 08:53:20 PM
I've got a SteamBox already- good times http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51/pd

(http://en.community.dell.com/resized-image.ashx/__size/550x0/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-00-00-07/7282.X51-vert-and-horiz.jpg)
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2014, 11:12:14 PM
edit: they moved the center eight buttons to a more accessible location and ditched the proposed touch screen

That just looks awful to me. I know I'm considered a hater on this thing but it just looks real awful and ergonomically awkward to me. Like a Swiss army knife of a controller.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 15, 2014, 11:25:08 PM
Moving the button begins the slow gradual retreat to the standard controller layout- that said, the pads are probably 'enough' for what theyre gunning for
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: cool breeze on January 16, 2014, 01:17:53 AM
Moving the button begins the slow gradual retreat to the standard controller layout- that said, the pads are probably 'enough' for what theyre gunning for

I'd be fine if they went further towards a regular controller. All I ever wanted was a touchpad replacing the right stick.  I'm happy someone is trying to improve the gamepad so I'm trying to be optimistic.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 16, 2014, 01:32:28 AM
The only thing that really irritates me about this is the weird blank check Valve apparently has for this whole venture. ANY company can fuck something up- be skeptical. Question why slapping a steam sticker on pre-fab computers is suddenly supposed to lure console gamers. QUESTION promises of a Linux revolution. Im not saying these things wont happen- but people need to fuckin pretend for a second that this shit goes south once in a while.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MCD on January 16, 2014, 03:00:03 AM
I wouldn't underestimate Valve still.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: duckman2000 on January 16, 2014, 05:01:23 AM
ibuypower licks ass, though.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: patrickula on January 16, 2014, 08:40:37 AM
Four buttons are not a dpad  :comeon
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 16, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
Your entire argument is one that console gamers have railed against forever- they don't care about scalable hardware. I think if you're into PC gaming at all yeah- this has appeal, but to suddenly act like this is some goddamned revelation is absurd. Form factor PCs are not new, and if they aren't planning to take significant cost hits to the hardware, instead offering mid-range notebook power solutions that WILL need the upgrading that console gamers have never wanted to bother with in the past...it's all just very silly.

That said maybe it really is a mad mad world and i'll be proven wrong as the console base pivots and Valve wins.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on January 16, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
They really just want to emancipate themselves from Microsoft. That's the only way all this makes sense. Only a tenth of the library is compatible with SteamOS right now and there's no real reason that I can detect for us to use it over regular Steam or Big Picture Mode. BPM, using the Steam controller, would be enough to 'win' the living room. That's not the point though, the point is to ditch Windows and Direct X, or at least establish SteamOS and Open GL as a viable option.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 16, 2014, 11:26:03 AM
I've got a Steam controller right now (was at dev days), I'm wondering what I should attempt playing with it. Need to figure out how to configure the thing. On Friday the guys will hook up Galak Z and see how it plays.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Raban on January 16, 2014, 11:32:03 AM
Saints Row 4 of course.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 16, 2014, 11:40:13 AM
They really just want to emancipate themselves from Microsoft. That's the only way all this makes sense. Only a tenth of the library is compatible with SteamOS right now and there's no real reason that I can detect for us to use it over regular Steam or Big Picture Mode. BPM, using the Steam controller, would be enough to 'win' the living room. That's not the point though, the point is to ditch Windows and Direct X, or at least establish SteamOS and Open GL as a viable option.

And that's a totally fine and sensible take on the situation- but MOST people on the Internet are off in crazy land.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 16, 2014, 12:45:28 PM
I've got a Steam controller right now (was at dev days), I'm wondering what I should attempt playing with it. Need to figure out how to configure the thing. On Friday the guys will hook up Galak Z and see how it plays.

Try some FPS games, older stuff without controller compatibility. Curious to see if it's good enough.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: archie4208 on January 16, 2014, 01:46:23 PM
SteamOS is Valve hedging their bets if MS ever goes off the deep end.  If in 2015, there are 100 million people on Steam that use Windows, Valve still wins.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 16, 2014, 02:03:19 PM
TBH im running iOS ports and indie games on my Venue Pro 8 through Steam.
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on January 21, 2014, 06:13:32 PM
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Alienware has announced its plans to launch Steam Machines every year, in order to mimic the lifecycles of consoles.

Alienware GM Frank Azor confirmed the plans to TrustedReviews, commenting that, like the consoles produced by Sony and Microsoft, the hardware of Alienware’s Steam Machines would be locked.

"Lifecycle wise, consoles update every five, six, seven years, we will be updating our Steam Machines every year," he explained. “There will be no customization options – you can’t really update it."
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755423


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Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 21, 2014, 06:15:20 PM
Wait so they release a locked linux box with no games?
Title: Re: First 3rd party steam machine shown off... 1080p 60fps for the price of an xbox
Post by: Rufus on January 21, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
Every year. That's the plan, anyway.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: cool breeze on January 21, 2014, 06:35:50 PM
it wouldn't be that bad if the price and power are right or there's some sort of trade in/upgrade promotion.  but I don't see that happening. 
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Rufus on January 21, 2014, 06:40:38 PM
I really don't see this upsetting the status quo in any way. Might as well buy a console, really.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2014, 06:46:28 PM
Their current offering that most resembles this, the x-51 isn't the most upgradable thing in the world. It's not really surprising to me that their steam machine variant would also not be.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2014, 03:57:29 PM
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Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: cool breeze on March 14, 2014, 04:21:43 PM
I wonder if those color coded buttons actually help newer players
 
 

 
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: a slime appears on March 14, 2014, 07:36:41 PM
Every time I see that controller it looks like Tupac designed it. Fucker looks like it's got sub-woofers ready to blast your goddamn face off.

 :pacspit
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: headwalk on March 14, 2014, 08:14:45 PM
i preferred the original concept. i bought into their whole "buttons? where we're going we don't need buttons" guff and i guess i got taken for a ride.

this whole project seems so uncharacteristically rudderless.

Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Tasty on March 14, 2014, 11:33:05 PM
That "d-pad" looks fricking horrible.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: thisismyusername on March 14, 2014, 11:46:50 PM
The first one was horrible, this revision is bad only because of the stupid "D-pad" button system.

If they fixed that, and maybe brought the touch-pad back... it'd be almost fine.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 15, 2014, 07:22:53 AM
Yeah I can see console gamers used to normal analog sticks for the past 20 years almost wanting to buy a 600 euro linux box with no games so they can use this akward pad.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: headwalk on March 15, 2014, 09:02:28 AM
The first one was horrible, this revision is bad only because of the stupid "D-pad" button system.

If they fixed that, and maybe brought the touch-pad back... it'd be almost fine.

the first one seemed like an actual revelation in controller design. that valve had conjured some game changing haptics which totally supplanted the need for both clumsy analog sticks and brutish old fashioned buttons.

this new compromise just makes the whole original premise seem like it was never there in the first place.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: thisismyusername on March 15, 2014, 09:38:31 AM
Okay, I'll bite: Tell me how having A/B/X/Y in the worst possible position available for four face buttons was a "revolutionary" idea?
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Rufus on March 15, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
Okay, I'll bite: Tell me how having A/B/X/Y in the worst possible position available for four face buttons was a "revolutionary" idea?
The buttons as they were before weren't meant to be used like the face buttons are now. You wouldn't have had to reach across the touch screen to swing Dante's sword or whatever. The way it was supposed to work, I think, was that sectors of the right touchpad were assigned face buttons. Don't ask me how you would stop the camera from moving in those scenarios, I don't know. Lift your thumb? Incorporate a slight delay?
Same goes for the d-pad. Assigned to sectors on the left, though the touchpad would have to know to stop moving the cursor/camera.

The touchscreen was neat in that you would theoretically have mapped a lot of things to it, with appropriately illustrative pictures. Or used it for other information, a bit like the Wii U pad. Turns out nobody actually wanted to look down at their controller to access what could be radically different functions from game to game, i.e. we discover yet again why controllers are the way they are.

What's left are the touchpads and the haptic feedback. The former bridges the gap between analogue stick and mouse controls, which could be revolutionary enough if you ask me. Haptic feedback is eh, though I suppose feeling the skipping wheels as your car loses traction or something would be pretty cool, though not too different from rumble, I suppose.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: thisismyusername on March 15, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
Okay, I'll bite: Tell me how having A/B/X/Y in the worst possible position available for four face buttons was a "revolutionary" idea?
The buttons as they were before weren't meant to be used like the face buttons are now. You wouldn't have had to reach across the touch screen to swing Dante's sword or whatever. The way it was supposed to work, I think, was that sectors of the right touchpad were assigned face buttons. Don't ask me how you would stop the camera from moving in those scenarios, I don't know. Lift your thumb? Incorporate a slight delay?
Same goes for the d-pad. Assigned to sectors on the left, though the touchpad would have to know to stop moving the cursor/camera.

So then you would've had to reach across to reach the horrible A/B/X/Y placement to play DMC or other such titles on Valve's controller... so, horribad then?

If your controller fucks up camera and normal game-pad functions for the sake of 2-3 genres that require massive mouse work (RTS, ARPG, uh... MMO's?) to fix those, then it really isn't fixing the problem, just showing it.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Rufus on March 15, 2014, 01:40:43 PM
You won't see me disagreeing.

Hence the impression that they've got no idea what they are doing.
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Rufus on June 12, 2014, 04:29:01 PM
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/06/alienware-steam-machine-now-a-windows-pc-for-the-living-room/

:lol
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: Tasty on June 12, 2014, 04:50:46 PM
:kobeyuck
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 02:02:39 AM
:kobeyuck
Civ V is out on Linux, join us...

One of us, one of us, one of us...
Title: Re: Steam Machine/SteamOS thread of no games or mass market appeal
Post by: archie4208 on June 13, 2014, 07:10:59 AM
This will make you feel right at home Andy. (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=158961200)