THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Beezy on December 02, 2013, 07:41:30 PM
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:-[
So I've never built a PC before and I have no idea what I'm doing. The little that I do know I learned from the GAF PC thread (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=600246). All I know for sure is that I want a PC that's capable of playing just about any game at 60fps without looking like shit. I assume I won't have to worry about much else if it's capable of that.
Anyway, right now I'm just trying to figure out what parts to get. Should I jump on these? Can I find them cheaper or better for about the same price?
http://www.microcenter.com/product/413248/Core_i7_4770K_35GHz_Socket_LGA_1150_Boxed_Processor
http://www.microcenter.com/product/415537/02G-P4-2774-KR_NVIDIA_GeForce_GTX_770_Superclocked_w-ACX_Cooler_2048MB_GDDR5_PCIe_30_x16_Video_Card (open box item for $305.96)
I'd like to spend about $800, but I'm willing to go up to $1000 if necessary. And I'm in no rush. I just want to build it before Titanfall drops (but not specifically for Titanfall, relax). Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance, brehs.
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i7 4770k is the top of the line so you're not getting any better.
The GPU is perfectly capable of demolishing pretty much anything out there without an issue. However system requirements are going to jump pretty quick so upgrading NOW isn't the best idea IMO. But upgrading NEXT YEAR will cost a bunch more.
Get a big PSU. I recommend 750+
Don't skimp on RAM. It's cheap as dirt so fill that bitch up. 16gigs of DDR3 will do you wonders.
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Do you suggest I get a cheaper GPU for now and just upgrade that later on?
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Nah. Anything cheaper will be a waste of money now. That card is essentially a slightly upclocked GTX 680 (what I have) so you'll be good for awhile.
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Thanks, I'll head up to that Micro Center after work tomorrow. Hopefully they still have that open box GPU for $300. If not, then I'll have to search for an alternative.
Any other parts or brands that you'd recommend? Or that I should avoid? Motherboard, case, etc?
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ASUS motherboards are good. Make sure yours supports the CPU. LGA 1150 socket.
Corsair makes great RAM. Their Vengeance series is pretty popular.
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I'm sorry Beezy but the thread title...I just...I'm really disappointed.
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That's a good CPU for sure
Try to get a bundle at microcenter if that's where you're getting it
They usually give you a pretty good discount if you buy CPU and Motherboard at the same time
They might even have bundles with RAM but RAM is super cheap anyways
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newegg usually has the best prices on ram, psu, and case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428
No sales tax for NY residents
Also you can use a free trial with shoprunner for free 2 day shipping
Shoprunner might actually offer you free membership if you try to cancel
They gave me a 2yr membership as long as I made 2 more purchases within the next 3 months, which was easy, since they also work with Domino's pizza
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Yeah, I think I will go with one of microcenter's CPU/motherboard bundles. Not seeing either parts any cheaper on other sites.
I'm sorry Beezy but the thread title...I just...I'm really disappointed.
:yeshrug
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You could never disappoint me, mybeezy.
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You look at case yet?
Don't skimp on it
Get one with good airflow and solid acoustics
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Not really. I was originally just gonna follow Hazaro's $805 build at GAF, so I had settled on the Corsair 200R. I'm obviously not following his build anymore though.
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I would recommend the Corsair 600t but it's like twice the price.
But it's also a fucking awesome case.
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I don't wanna end up doubling my budget. :stahp
I think I'll get the GPU, CPU, and motherboard soon. I'll continue to look out for deals on just about everything else for the next couple of weeks.
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Yeah but bro. Look at this sexy case
(http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/elladan/news/11/Corsair600TWhite/1.jpg)
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600T is sick but still pretty expensive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147158
This one is amazing for the price.
$70 shipped, after rebate
Supposedly more quiet and cooler than the 600T
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4648/rosewill-thor-v2-the-god-of-cooling-and-silence/7
If you think you can deal with the rough edges of the design, or if you want the most case you can get for the least money, the Thor v2 should definitely be on your short list. Able to compete even with enclosures nearly twice as expensive, I'd actually take it over Thermaltake's Level 10 GT just due to the comparative ease of assembly coupled with the less garish appearance. It's a better performer both acoustically and thermally than Corsair's 650D or 600T, too, at roughly the same price. Rosewill's Thor v2 isn't a homerun, but it's a very solid base hit, and there's no reason to think one more revision couldn't make it a top flight enthusiast case.
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Fractal Design Define R4 is a god tier case. Well worth it.
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Yeah, heard a lot of good stuff about the R4
Sold out on Newegg though, I dunno if Amazon charages tax for NY
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I'm liking those two and their prices a lot more than the Corsair. Only the white version of the Thor is on sale though, so I'd go with the R4. It's showing up for $74.99 and in stock for me on newegg.
White cases are kinda corny looking imo.
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Yeah that's why the white ones usually go on sale first
Weird that R4 is on sale at Newegg, I must have been looking at old link
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Okay, I really like the R4. Does NCIX charge NYers tax? It's $5 cheaper there.
Edit: Nevermind. Fuck their shipping fees.
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the fractal r4 is the most solid case I have ever seen. besides the noise foam on it the steel its made from is super strong. there is absolutely no flex from the side panel at all....if i hadn't committed to another itx build with a prodigy the r4 would have been mine.
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I like the removable rack at the front too, means you get maximum airflow too. Just a really well thought out case.
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That R4 is really nice looking, it's even threatening the absurd irrational hardon I've had for Antec's P18x series.
Fractal Design a good company? Looks like they are from the NewEgg reviews. Antec's always been overly good to me for a PC components company. For example, when I got the case I have now, it came with a piece of paper that basically said "so, we've had a bad batch of fans that could fail earlier than expected, but we can't tell which fans these are so instead of three we've stuffed like twelve of them in the box, hope they all work!" (I of course immediately put the six that could fix in the case in, the effect of which puts two fans on the mid 3.5 drive bays if you aren't using them and blasts a torrent of incoming air all over whatever's in the PCI-Ex16 slots.)
Also they were good about helping with a friends power supply, decided the rails must be off or something so just sent one and included a bunch of those adapters that I forget the name of that connect the newer black flat power connectors to the old white four prongers I think because I had mentioned it was connected to some older optical drives. Didn't even want the other one back.
Of course, for all I know this was just one really cool dude there and he's been fired for giving away all their stock.
But anyway that's a nice case, similar but removes some of the stranger cumbersome aspects. Will have to remember it.
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The one part you can't skimp on is the psu. It's the one component that could royally fuck up everything else if it fails, so be sure to go for a reliable brand like Seasonic. Unless you plan on running multiple gpus, you really don't need a big one. 500w should be plenty, maybe going up to 600w if you want a good bit of headroom. There's also the benefit that it could last you ages and will still be there after multiple upgrades of everything else in your box.
If I was getting a new case I'd also probably go for an R4. I have heard there are issues with their build quality recently, but for the price they are I could put up with a few niggles.
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You look at case yet?
Don't skimp on it
Get one with good airflow and solid acoustics
This. I did a 2000$ build and though the case was mostly just aesthetics, I was wrong. This thing is loud and shitty for cable management.
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I'm sorry Beezy but the thread title...I just...I'm really disappointed.
Help Beezy build a Peezy... Up in this heezy
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Fo' sheezy mah neezy.
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Fractal R4s are the best. I'm about to order a second one.
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Ordered the R4 from newegg for $74.99 last night and bought this GPU from a fellow EBer:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-DisplayPort-Graphics-04G-P4-3687-KR/dp/B0083YF55U
$405 in the hole. I'm officially committed to getting this done.
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http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=63535620&postcount=1
What are the chances that these end up on ebay for less than their current retail prices?
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http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=63535620&postcount=1
What are the chances that these end up on ebay for less than their current retail prices?
Crazy deal
I'm sure somebody will try to sell them but many people will also be bidding so you'll probably only get about a 10% discount
At least from my experience, that's how much those prices usually are
Also, warranty might not be recognized if you didn't buy from an official retailer
Too bad I don't know anybody working at those companies. Wal-green isn't owned by Wal-mart, right?
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Wal-green isn't owned by Wal-mart, right?
Nah, it's not.
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Got my case and GPU (thanks Smooth) so far. I forgot how fucking huge desktop PCs can be.
I haven't bought anything else yet. I want to wait to see if I'll spot any deals, but I'm already getting impatient now that I have my first two pieces.
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Quick question:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128592
Yay or nay?
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I have that same one. Been happy with it for the past few months, but I got it partly as a deal with my cpu. It isn't one of the two or three boards people would typically recommend, though. There may be a better option out there.
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I've seen in recommended a lot in the GAF thread. This is what made me consider it:
(http://sinhardware.com/images/z87xud3hreview/16a.jpg)
:yeshrug
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That doesn't really prove anything
A hotter part could be much more stable than a significantly cooler part
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130693
This seems like a better board for that price range. At the least, you'll have much better sound with SoundBlaster.
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Actually I'd pay extra $30 for this since both Anandtech and Hardocp highly recommend it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128594
Why you going to GAF for PC tips? They don't know shit.
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I have nowhere else to go except there and this thread. I'll stay here from now on. :lol
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GAF is mostly console gamers trying to build gaming PCs on the cheap.
You'll find many more knowledgeable people in the Hardocp and Anandtech forums.
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If you just want to build something basic it's fine. But they're more concerned with cost than things like power, heat or noise.
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The GAF thread is fine. If you ask for the same things you'll get the same recommendations there as you would here. Most people there just want advice on upgrades or build a bang-for-buck PC, so yeah, the recommendations will be along those lines. There are a couple of watercooling crazies and SLI nuts there too, though. And the most active users know their shit. They read the same sites as anyone else.
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reddit.com/r/buildapc is probably your best resource outside of GAF.
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I've always liked this guide although the prices are based on UK market,
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011
Any reason why I shouldn't buy this?
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No, that's a great PSU. Do you need all that juice? Are you planning on running two graphics cards?
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No, that's a great PSU. Do you need all that juice? Are you planning on running two graphics cards?
Smooth mentioned that it would be the cheaper way to upgrade in the future, so yeah. Just using one for now, but planning ahead for that. Do you agree?
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I've built PCs with that in mind before but then I never actually got the second card. I suppose it's a sensible alternative.
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That PSU looks great for the price
I like gold certified PSUs cuz they are probably more dependable when you push them to the limit.
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I've built PCs with that in mind before but then I never actually got the second card. I suppose it's a sensible alternative.
Everybody does that. :-\
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Lol I won't be breaking the trend. Bought it. One more question for the night:
http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx
The i7-4770K is $249.99 again at microcenter (in-store only). Should I go with one of their bundle deals or am I better off searching elsewhere for a motherboard?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=7034161&SID=
Guys, is $129.99 too much for 16GB (2x8GB) of ram?
Also, I've wanted this monitor for a long time:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=7034161&SID=
$280.99... am I going overboard? I'm getting anxious about starting this. I do dumb shit when I'm anxious.
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I use a 24" Dell UltraSharp and it's an excellent monitor. The price for the RAM seems fine to me but then again I'm used to European prices and 25% VAT.
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Thanks man. So the last big piece I have left to pick is the motherboard. I'll most likely do so this weekend.
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I'd wait for a gsync monitor or at least get a 3d monitor
No point building a super fast PC and not getting a monitor fast enough to handle the framerate
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I know nothing about either of these. Is the difference that noticeable? Are the monitor types that you mentioned more expensive?
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It's a new monitor type with adjustable refresh rate. Instead of always displaying e.g. 60 or 75 Hz, it will match the update rate with whatever the game is outputting. That means you can avoid screen tearing without having to enable vertical synchronization. Apparently it works like pure magic and it will make games look more awesome with less power.
I don't know anything about prices or release dates.
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German PC site Computerbase.de had some preliminary tests up.
Their verdict: G-Sync didn't make much of a difference at 144Hz, more so at 60Hz. Anno 2070 benefitted greatly. Tomb Raider, Alan Wake, AssCreed 4, looked more fluid too. Crysis 3 and BF4 didn't seem to benefit much from it. Furthermore it's only useful for dips below 60, not below 30.
Guru3D got a review sample as well: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_g_sync_review_guide.html
Verdict: Stay above 40fps and you're golden. No more tearing and no more v-sync stutter and no input lag. Best of both worlds.
Interesting tid-bit from this one: G-Sync only works in fullscreen, not when you run windowed or windowed without a border, for easy alt-tabbing.
Price for the 144Hz Assus monitor + built in G-Sync module: USD 602.75 (whut?, but that's what they cite anyway)
There are probably more, but I'm too lazy to look.
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Okay, I read up a bit on G-Sync. Makes sense to wait for it or just get the Asus VG248QE which is the same price as the Dell that I originally wanted.
Anything I need to know about CPU coolers?
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Are you overclocking? If not, then you don't need to know anything
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it can be a relatively inexpensive investment (~$30), and should you want to overclock in the future, it's preferable to get it in place during the build than later. the mechanisms to attach some heatsinks can be annoying.
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I'm still not sure how much of a benefit overclocking has, but I thought it would be good to have the option.
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Beezy if you have not bought a psu yet consider this one - Seasonic 660 Platinum full modular. $80 after rebate is an absolute steal. I got one and love it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=L1c5aGyQEeOTvu4ky_MqHA0_0zRt3_0_0_0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16817151121&cm_sp= (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=L1c5aGyQEeOTvu4ky_MqHA0_0zRt3_0_0_0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16817151121&cm_sp=)
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Thanks, but I already bought that overkill of a PSU that I linked earlier.
I still can't decide on a motherboard. Which would you guys choose?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128594
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130693
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131979
Leaning towards the Asus just because I've heard that they're more reliable. Smooth mentioned Sound Blaster on the MSI, but that's only for gaming, right? Besides gaming, I want to mess around with music production and recording. I don't know if that will make a difference.
Also, I figure dvd drives aren't that important so I chose this cheap one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151266
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:tocry
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Beezy, get the most expensive one. The motherboard is the balls and cock of the machine. You want to futureproof as much as you can, and the motherboard is the shaft which drives your hard, throbbing tower.
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So here is everything that I have so far: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2tUWB
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i74770k) (Purchased For $270.94)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz87xoc) (Purchased For $169.99)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f31600c9d16gxm) (Purchased For $129.99)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-04gp43688kr) (Purchased For $330.00)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcadefr4bl) (Purchased For $74.99)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-hx850) (Purchased For $119.99)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-optical-drive-sh224dbbebe) (Purchased For $14.99)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Full (32/64-bit) (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-fqc00129) (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1110.89
And I'm gonna get this SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147248
I haven't looked up overclocking, but I have a motherboard made specifically for it, so I might as well test it out at some point. Can someone recommend a CPU cooler?
Also, is there anything else that you guys recommend I get? Anything that I'd need for my build, cables, mouse, keyboard, etc? I already have decent 2.1 speakers. I'm aiming to finally do this thing next weekend.
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Cooler Master EVO fans are a popular choice. Try to see if you can find a 120 mm one that fits your CPU socket.
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Yeah Coolermaster EVO is fine for mild overclocking. I had one on my last rig that was great value.
I've got a Noctua one on my current PC which is more expensive but I can probably push the CPU as high as I can over air.
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Heh, that's the same one I looked up a few weeks ago. I can't remember where it was recommended. Thanks.
Anything else that I might need?
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An anti-static wrist strap perhaps?
(http://i.imgur.com/XQZVWmS.jpg)
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...da fuck?
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"An antistatic wrist strap, ESD wrist strap, or ground bracelet is an antistatic device used to safely ground a person working on very sensitive electronic equipment, to prevent the buildup of static electricity on their body, which can result in electrostatic discharge (ESD)." - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antistatic_wrist_strap)
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You also need a good set of screwdrivers and plenty of work space.
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I'm getting the cooler and thermal paste at microcenter. I'll pick up a screwdriver while I'm there.
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One last thing. You will likely need to fasten the CPU cooler from both sides of the motherboard. Do that before you attach it to the case.
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You don't really need to bother with an antistatic bracelet. Touching something made of metal (the case for instance) should discharge any static electricity build-up. If you've never been zapped by a doorknob in your house you probably don't build up much anyway.
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don't go overboard with thermal paste. you only need tiny bit in the center and it'll spread itself out when the cooler and cpu are pressed together.
trying to think of other mistakes that are easy to make. uh, the R4 has tons of room behind the motherboard to manage cables, so do your best to hide everything.
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Haven't actually watched any vids or read anything about building a PC besides picking the parts. I'll do that throughout the week and also see if the parts I bought came with any instructions at all.
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There is usually a good guide included with the motherboard.
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Smfh, that SSD goes on sale at ebay for $139.99 the day after I buy it from newegg. My order already shipped and the difference is only about $18 after tax is included, so I'll stick with what I got.
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Can you guys recommend me a keyboard? I was thinking of going mechanical and getting something with Cherry MX Brown switches, but they're all fucking expensive. Nothing colorful and gaudy as hell that's aimed at "hardcore gamers" though please.
I actually built the shit yesterday evening after making a shitload of rookie mistakes (story and pics later), but I have no monitor or keyboard at the moment. Monitor should be here by Tuesday. It turns on and everything is running just fine though. Hooked it up to my hdtv just to make sure it worked and it booted to a screen related to the motherboard and bios or something. I'll deal with all of that later in the week.
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I have almost no experience with mechanical keyboards, but I'm very happy with my Logitech UltraX Media Keyboard.
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Thanks, but it looks like those aren't made anymore.