THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 07:18:43 PM

Title: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 07:18:43 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97361657&postcount=300

Murayama you broke my heart. You left your fans. :(

I don't know what trouble happened at Konami, so I have to have empathy for his situation, but it's still like...if some writer/creator of a show/book series or whatever, just ups and leaves halfway through the story and just retires and it gets cancelled soon after.

Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: MCD on January 16, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
I thought it was all Konami's fault and blamed them for years (it could still be)...but that post broke my heart.

Murayama :(
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 08:12:25 PM
No. He left during III's development.

That's old news.

What's new is that Konami WANTED him to come back and finish it up and he didn't.

He abandoned us. :tocry
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 16, 2014, 08:27:49 PM
I imagine him pulling a Shatner during that SNL skit telling Trekkies to get a life.   :aah
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 08:30:18 PM
Nice comparison, dickhead.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 08:40:44 PM
Yeah it just makes no sense.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2014, 08:44:55 PM
And since going freelance he's done jack nothing. Good jon!
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 08:45:42 PM
Actually, he did one game in 2005. It sucked iirc. Either way, fuck him.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 09:01:19 PM
What's he doing?
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 09:11:16 PM
" He is currently writing a manga adaptation of Laura Resnicks Magic: The Gathering novel The Purifying Fire with artwork by Yoshino Himori."

from Wikipedia.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Positive Touch on January 16, 2014, 09:29:30 PM
so does anyone make games at Konami anymore besides Kojima
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2014, 09:46:31 PM
Konami sucks but they should have at least had someone ghostwrite the rest of the series instead of doing prequels.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2014, 09:56:37 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on January 16, 2014, 09:29:30 PM
so does anyone make games at Konami anymore besides Kojima

Kojima doesn't make games.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 16, 2014, 10:01:50 PM
Manga adaptation of a MtG novel. :neogaf
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: MCD on January 16, 2014, 10:26:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZxNJ7FOGo
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: thisismyusername on January 16, 2014, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 16, 2014, 10:01:50 PM
Manga adaptation of a MtG novel. :neogaf

I'd buy it if it came in English. Don't front, you would too Joe. :gurl  :'(
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 16, 2014, 11:30:15 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2014, 08:44:55 PM
And since going freelance he's done jack nothing. Good jon!
He did that 10,000 Bullets game.

I guess this puts that  "Rubicon" quote in perspective.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2014, 11:38:46 PM
IMO V proved they don't even NEED Murayama. The head writer for V did a GREAT job and if they couldn't hire Murayama they could at least consult him just to get an idea for an ending. According to the notes I've heard Murayama wrote, they were so extensive Konami didn't really need his output.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 12:09:32 AM
:lol
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: MCD on January 17, 2014, 12:21:02 AM
The core game of Tierkreis was solid Suikoden material but I stopped playing mid way through because god I don't care about these kids.

On a non related note, this is what IE11 suggest for Suikoden:

(http://i.imgur.com/WAoLLML.jpg)

:violin
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 12:27:00 AM
The core of Tierkries was not "solid Suikoden".

.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: MCD on January 17, 2014, 12:27:21 AM
the combat was ok.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 12:30:14 AM
The only Suikoden with any worthwhile combat is III. I never played Suiko for combat. I played it for story, sidequests, exploration, characterization, and gameplay variety.

As for that image, never fall in love with a game franchise that starts with the letter S. They're cursed. All of them
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: thisismyusername on January 17, 2014, 12:58:16 AM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on January 17, 2014, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on January 17, 2014, 12:30:14 AM
The only Suikoden with any worthwhile combat is III. I never played Suiko for combat. I played it for story, sidequests, exploration, characterization, and gameplay variety.

As for that image, never fall in love with a game franchise that starts with the letter S. They're cursed. All of them

Shin Megami Tensei. 

Maybe just avoid falling in love with series that have huge, overly ambitious plans without any guarantee of being able to finish their story arc within a few games?

One of these things isn't like the other Oscar.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Okay, they're self-contained and not really a story. But go with my objection here. :(
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Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 01:00:32 AM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on January 17, 2014, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on January 17, 2014, 12:30:14 AM
The only Suikoden with any worthwhile combat is III. I never played Suiko for combat. I played it for story, sidequests, exploration, characterization, and gameplay variety.

As for that image, never fall in love with a game franchise that starts with the letter S. They're cursed. All of them

Shinobi had a good run.  Street Fighter also looking dapper.  Super Mario, aw yeah.  Shin Megami Tensei. 

Maybe just avoid falling in love with series that have huge, overly ambitious plans without any guarantee of being able to finish their story arc within a few games?

But Sonic has created an entire legion of peole whose lives are ruined due to their fanhood. The S curse lives on.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 01:08:35 AM
Yeah SMT has a lot of lore. The games make nods and are even connected sometimes.

Oscar - I was joking and was hoping my sonic example would let you know that and you'd play along. :(
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2014, 01:51:57 AM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on January 16, 2014, 10:06:05 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on January 16, 2014, 09:46:31 PM
Konami sucks but they should have at least had someone ghostwrite the rest of the series instead of doing prequels.

They were clearly holding out hope they could get Murayama back, and futzing with his timeline was probably seen as an impediment to that.  As it is, if he had a change of heart and Konami still wanted him, he could pick up his continuity more or less where he left it.  Instead of making Hobgoblin Ned Leeds, so to speak.

And in the end they killed the series by doing so vs maybe the series staying relevant with a new writer.  Just seems like a silly choice especially by the time Suikoden V rolled around they should've known Murayama wasn't coming back.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 03:01:14 AM
V was a prequel to I
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: archnemesis on January 17, 2014, 03:59:36 AM
From Wikipedia:

"Suikoden IV (143 years before Suikoden V and 150 years before Suikoden) → Suikoden V (6 years before Suikoden) → Suikoden (3 years before Suikoden II) → Suikoden II (15 years before Suikoden III) → Suikoden III"

IV is very slow and being limited to a three-member party sucks. It's probably a lot more fun to play slightly sped up with the help of an emulator. 1, 2, 3, and 5 are great RPGs that everyone should play.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 04:00:14 AM
IV was a prequel 150 years before 1. V is a prequel to 1 but by only a few years at best. V is more of a prequel to II more than anything. It is full of continuations of themes and stories from II, notably Georg Prime.

IV is a mediocre rpg, and I know only three people who like it: RK, Shouta, and ZephyrFate.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 04:08:02 AM
Quote from: archnemesis on January 17, 2014, 03:59:36 AM
From Wikipedia:

"Suikoden IV (143 years before Suikoden V and 150 years before Suikoden) → Suikoden V (6 years before Suikoden) → Suikoden (3 years before Suikoden II) → Suikoden II (15 years before Suikoden III) → Suikoden III"

IV is very slow and being limited to a three-member party sucks. It's probably a lot more fun to play slightly sped up with the help of an emulator. 1, 2, 3, and 5 are great RPGs that everyone should play.

IV's problems are:

1. setting the location 150 years before 1 makes the entire thing inconsequential because none of the characters aside from mainstays like Viki and Jeane are relevant. Ted is in it, but he's underdeveloped. One of the things that makes Suikoden speical is how it ties locations and characters into a coherent world. The only reason to set it 150 years before I is to expand the world - it didn't, at least in a good way.

2. Battle has never been a terrible priority in Suikoden, but IV takes the cake. 3 character battles ruins any sense of strategic sense there was. It's an obvious response to III's buddy system criticism - which was novel and interesting in its execution. They were complete cowards in this regard. The result is a very boring combat system compared to even I and II.

3. Random battles in towns.

4. Extremely slow sense of travel via world map due to slow boat.

5. A barren location. There's only 3/4 towns, and only one major city. The idea of having it set in the Island Nations is that you should have a number of islands that stand on their own that are federation or united nations that are islands. This isn't the case. So most of your traveling by boat is empty water. Wind Waker's world is more populous. That says a lot.

5. Underdeveloped characterization, shoddy writing, and editing, poor villain motivation, poor explanation of the true rune. Just bad writing period.

6. Load times.

Good things about Suikoden IV:

1. Music.

2. Mini games.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: MCD on January 17, 2014, 10:35:33 AM
Don't forget:

3- Playable Jeane for the first time

4- Mitsuba
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Playable Jeane isn't a big deal and Mitsuba is okay. Snowe is the only stand out character in IV.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: MCD on January 17, 2014, 11:05:02 AM
Mitsuba is my waifu fuck u
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 11:07:17 AM
:gurl

aight
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 11:22:49 AM

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Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Steve Contra on January 17, 2014, 05:35:07 PM
Man Suikoden has some non-embarrassing art for a JRPG.  I forgot that even existed.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2014, 05:39:05 PM
You're gonna carry that weight.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Steve Contra on January 17, 2014, 05:56:52 PM
I might even play a JPRG again if buying it wouldn't make my wife call Stabler and Benson
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 05:59:03 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 17, 2014, 05:35:07 PM
Man Suikoden has some non-embarrassing art for a JRPG.  I forgot that even existed.

Suikoden was prolly the most egalitarian jrpg IMO. The embarrassing parts of Suikoden are furry animals. Kobolds were cool. But then they introduced ducks and well...
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 06:03:54 PM
That fucking kobold is the only bad kobold.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: MCD on January 17, 2014, 06:06:41 PM
But ducks had the best theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HneWfB9jsHk
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 06:14:36 PM
Dude.

Stupid Ducks. Celtic version. Holy shit. :rejoice :bow
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 17, 2014, 07:57:21 PM
Them fuckin' ducks.

Reminds me how much I enjoyed Suikoden III because the combat shat all over the continually overrated Suikoden II, tho :heh
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 08:03:21 PM
Suikoden III has great combat. If you play rpgs for combat, Sjikoden is definitely not for you. Luckily, I consider exploration and side questing equally as important to an RPG as combat. So I can enjoy Suikoden. III is on par with II though. Trinity Sight needs to make a comeback.
Title: Re: MCD, come grieve with me
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 08:05:44 PM
:yeshrug

Not my problem.