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Post by: Borys on January 17, 2014, 08:14:07 AM
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Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: brob on January 17, 2014, 08:18:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: bork on January 17, 2014, 08:22:35 AM
They can't force Iwata out?  Get rid of the guy already.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 17, 2014, 08:22:40 AM
To be fair, I'm not sure what Nintendo can do to turn things around.  This holiday proved that a new 3D Mario is no longer a big enough draw.  3D Mario is kind of their trump card and now that that doesn't mean shit to Americans and Europeans, I'm not sure what else they have left.  I fully expect more Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon games to get pumped out as a response but they have a significant challenge on their hands.  Saying "please understand" isn't going to work anymore (not that it ever has).  The bullshit and hubris of "Nintendo Magic" and "Nintendo Tax" is done.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 17, 2014, 08:27:01 AM
But what can Nintendo do?

1. It's too late to start making new games for Wii U that could turn it around, cause games have a 2/4 year dev time at least
2. Dropping the price will bleed them to death due to the stupid pad, even then they are lucky to do GCN numbers
3. 3rd parties have already abandoned the Wii U and have moved to next gen
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Post by: magus on January 17, 2014, 09:07:18 AM
I will buy a Wii U for $99/ E99. Drop the fucking price, Iwata.

please ban borys for price drop begging :wag
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Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 17, 2014, 09:13:34 AM
The actual premise of the console isn't bad: a dual screen console, with its own social network, capable of serving genres like art and touch based games, that can also serve as a powerful home-handheld when the TV is in use. Its the balance of components; favouring backwards compatibility and the associated compromises and costs. Its all made Wii U a much more difficult adventure than it should have been. It doesn't help that it was about 2 years late either. If they'd gotten the balance of power right, there'd be more third party content; if they'd gotten the price right, it'd be easier to sell. Having said that, the marketing for what they've actually made could be a shit-tonne better. In some areas it is practically non-existent, and where it DOES exist, the messaging is confused or preaching to the choir. Not all of this is Iwata's fault. There are deficiencies in Nintendo's HW contracting (by which I mean, they're not able to produce their own components like Sony, and don't seem as able to strike good deals), their US and EU subsidiaries' distribution channels are wavering, and they have problems with their advertising agencies. If he's not going to take a bow and exit stage-left himself, he needs to make sure that other people do.

Other companies are using IOS/Android for companion apps, and I think Nintendo should too. If / when PS360 HW numbers begin to drop off they need to treat that like an opportunity. If it means dropping the price again, or coming up with some other novel sales scheme, then they need to do that. Their next key software announcements (NDs) and E3 will be telling as to how far they're prepared to go.
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Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 17, 2014, 09:23:29 AM
Nope. The consoles without any of that outsold it in two months and it's coming off one of the best selling consoles of all time, so that argument doesn't work anymore  :yeshrug

The argument I'm making isn't really an argument, its more a statement of fact.

The premise is fine, but in terms of power level and price - its positioned horribly between PS3 and 360 - which are still selling well - and next gen machines, which appear to be viewed as a better investment. They can't fix the power, they have to fix the marketing, the price and what offerings are available. And thanks to fucking it up so badly to begin with, they can't rely on any third parties to help them do that unless they're willing to sign some big cheques.
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Post by: bachikarn on January 17, 2014, 09:36:38 AM
I think I read that after Yamauchi retired they changed their executive structure significantly. The President wouldn't have so much power and most of the decisions would be made by the board of directors. If so, Iwata leaving wouldn't do much. Maybe Oscar can shed light into the situation.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 17, 2014, 09:38:06 AM
Blaming it on marketing is old and tired.  The fact that Nintendo fans use it unironically is pretty sad to be honest.  It's pretty much the first excuse everyone throws out when their console, handheld, or game of preference doesn't do as well as it hoped.

The bottom line is that consumers don't see Wii U as a good value.  For $100 more, you can get a PS4, which is a huge gulf in terms of power, features, and potential.  Or you can spend $100 less to get a 360 or a PS3, which will let you have access to a huge library for dirt cheap.  Going to amazon.com and entering in "ps3 games", the first page is full of games that are $10-20.  You can get 5-10 good games plus a PS3 for the cost of a Wii U.  Or for $250 you can get a PS3 with THE CITIZEN KANE OF GAMES and 3-5 more cheap games for the cost of a Wii U.  Considering the graphics fidelity and considering that at this point the 2014 PS3 release schedule is pretty decent, the Wii U is a bum deal unless you love Nintendo games.  As you can see by the Top 10 for December, there was nary a Nintendo published game; consumers are moving on, leaving Nintendo behind.

The best way to turn Wii U around is to make it a better deal.  That means dropping the price AND making more games for it.  Nintendo is going to really have to step it up and getting more games out there.  That probably means farming their IPs out but they do that anyway.  They really should make a Mario 64 HD, they could probably get a couple million sales out of it.  I know Nintendo wants to rest on their laurels and hope Wii Party U accumulates 10 million sales instead of releasing five games that sell two million a piece but they don't have that luxury here.  They're going to need to push more software units by making more games.
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Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 17, 2014, 09:40:28 AM
It's dead, move on. The 3DS is awesome so play that.

If Nintendo thought along those lines themselves, the 3DS would still suck.
The Wii U is a better, more enjoyable machine in every way aside from the games library edit: and cost of entry of course. I don't really care if it does sub Gamecube numbers as long as good games come out for it, but it would be nice if they were able to salvage something more.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on January 17, 2014, 09:52:20 AM
It will be interesting to see just what Nintendo does in response to 2013. It's pretty obvious the company was living in a serious state of delusion given their forecasts for that year (100 billion yen profit and 9 million consoles sold).

The best they can hope for is to keep aggressively adding games to their lineup and hope that it will create enough of 'a tipping point' in the consumer's mind that it's a seen as a good value as a second console.

Ditching the Wii U now would be a huge mistake.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2014, 09:54:59 AM
Nintendo should fire Iwata and then hire Steve Ballmer.
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Post by: thisismyusername on January 17, 2014, 09:56:36 AM
The premise is fine, but in terms of power level and price - its positioned horribly between PS3 and 360 - which are still selling well - and next gen machines, which appear to be viewed as a better investment. They can't fix the power, they have to fix the marketing, the price and what offerings are available. And thanks to fucking it up so badly to begin with, they can't rely on any third parties to help them do that unless they're willing to sign some big cheques.

"OH BOY! I CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY MARIO #20599023405834900598308 ON THE WII U!"  :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz

(Radiohead: BUT THIRD PARTIES!)

Okay, let's play that game:

"OH BOY! I CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY BATTLEFIELD 5 ON WII U WITH 16-32 PLAYERS WHEN BATTLEFIELD 5 ON X-BOX U AND PS4 DOES 64!"  :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz

"Fixing offerings" isn't going to help. Mario didn't help. Pumping out more of that/Nintendo first party isn't going to help. And even if they did bring third parties back (:neogaf) Nintendo fans like you won't buy that and anyone with a lick of common sense won't buy the Wii U version when the "next-gen" offering has more players, better textures, etc. going for it.

"Better marketing" is going to amount to the above sarcasm "OH BOYS" because again: Mario didn't help. Nintendo fans were touting that as the second coming of Jesus and the press liked it, but no one wanted to get a dead system for it.

Nintendo needs to admit they fucked up. They need to sack Iwata TODAY and get the R&D team to go to Sony/Microsoft's stores, buy their consoles and play those for a year while coasting on the 3DS's mild "success" and then rebuild their entire console infrastructure to meet the Sony/MS demands. Because, clearly, they didn't do that in the run up to launch (Eurogamer story here).

It's dead, move on. The 3DS is awesome so play that.

If Nintendo thought along those lines themselves, the 3DS would still suck.
The Wii U is a better, more enjoyable machine in every way aside from the games library edit: and cost of entry of course. I don't really care if it does sub Gamecube numbers as long as good games come out for it, but it would be nice if they were able to salvage something more.

3DS at least has "Nintendo dominance of the market" as a shield to hide behind while it floundered, plus it's "gimmick" could be ignored by the masses that didn't like it (see: me) while still having a functional "DS" successor otherwise--I'd buy a 2DS, meanwhile. Still haven't done that... need to do that... but nope. Not yet.-- Plus it doesn't need the online functions a "next-gen" console needs. It's nice, but it's a portable and that means it's going to go into areas where wifi may not be (on a camping trip, for instance) for short-bursts of playing before doing something else in those areas. So the 3DS also has the "not the same market" excuse that the Wii U doesn't in comparison to the PS360/PS4/Xbox.

Wii U doesn't have that excuse or shield. The Wii was a fluke after two luke-warm console generations. The 64 wasn't terrible, the Gamecube was kinda terrible but still sucessful. But the Wii U is tracking far behind that one[/i] to be chugging along on the train-tracks of success. It's derailed. Time to accept that, clean house, and rebuild the company if they want success in the console market.
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Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 17, 2014, 09:58:56 AM
You just want to draw more EA hateart.

hatEArt™

Selfishly speaking -- anything coming out on 3DS, I'd just rather have on Wii U now. I grudgingly used 3DS for AC and ALBW, but I'd much rather of played those things with better controls and bigger screen(s). Does anyone here actually travel with their 3DS? Work / bog breaks and commutes I understand, but I can't really do those.
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Post by: Tasty on January 17, 2014, 10:00:31 AM
You were kidding yourself if you thought Iwata would go peacefully into that good night.

Hopefully he has a successor all picked out by now, though.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 17, 2014, 10:08:07 AM
Can't wait for Donkey Kong: Frozen Jungle. :bow2
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 10:29:25 AM
I think the best Nintendo can do is ride it out. Drop the price, make a cheap (comparitively) Zelda for it. Make only one as Wii U life cycle needs to be short and sweet. Keep supporting it by releasing new games to franchises.they havent touched in years.

In the mean time, go to the blackboard for new ips to fit the modern gaming fans taste. Release a few games like that (first person shooter, a take on indie games, an exploration RPG)  for their next system along with new 3d Mario, new Zelda at launch or launch window.

The next console should be ready before ps5 and nexbox. But it should be progressive. Go the fuck all out. It needs POWER to survive. More than that, it needs to be a tablet or tablet like. It needs to be touch screen. You should be able to take it anywhere. It should have its own store, or use Android os to have access to third party apps. It should come with usb and be able to install things like external hds and external disc drives. It should have controller support and come with its own controller as well as a dock to to help the system stand upright almost like Surface. It should come with technology that easily broadcasts to ones television. So they can play during the day and continue where they left off when they get home.

It should be both their new portable and new console in the same product. Every title should be digital and Nintendo should include and emulation for gb, gbc, gba, ds, and 3ds as well as nes, snes, n64, gc, and Wii U.

Price it at 300 - 500 dollars in different models and levels of power/hd size.

Desperate measures require desperate and different methods. Nintendo needs tk go balls out with their next system - portable or console. Doesn't matter how.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 17, 2014, 10:38:55 AM
Nintendo needs to admit they fucked up. They need to sack Iwata TODAY and get the R&D team to go to Sony/Microsoft's stores, buy their consoles and play those for a year while coasting on the 3DS's mild "success" and then rebuild their entire console infrastructure to meet the Sony/MS demands. Because, clearly, they didn't do that in the run up to launch (Eurogamer story here).

 :rejoice
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 10:47:11 AM
One thing I hope everyone agrees on? Cool it on the Mario.

Nintendo also needs to expand outside of games like make a theme park some where to keep their brand relevant. The success of Disney is not putting all of their eggs in one basket. There hasn't been a new Mickey Mouse movie in what, decades?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 17, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
I'd imagine they're already hard at work on whatever a Nintendo version of a tablet is. Whether they do the smart thing and build up a curated Android app store ala Kindle, or just toss together another half-assed eShop with a handful of emulated GBA games and a bunch of wacky clock apps, is the question.  And I think everyone already knows the answer to that  :-\
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Post by: Tasty on January 17, 2014, 10:55:05 AM
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It's not as simple as enabling Mario to move on a smartphone

Did you even like, read what you posted. :lol

It'll probably be more shit like that official Pokemon app or whatever.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 17, 2014, 10:58:05 AM
:lol it's not gonna be a game, it'll end up being some tamagotchi thing where you feed your mario or some such shit
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Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2014, 10:58:16 AM
The actual premise of the console isn't bad: a dual screen console, with its own social network, capable of serving genres like art and touch based games, that can also serve as a powerful home-handheld when the TV is in use. Its the balance of components; favouring backwards compatibility and the associated compromises and costs. Its all made Wii U a much more difficult adventure than it should have been. It doesn't help that it was about 2 years late either. If they'd gotten the balance of power right, there'd be more third party content; if they'd gotten the price right, it'd be easier to sell. Having said that, the marketing for what they've actually made could be a shit-tonne better. In some areas it is practically non-existent, and where it DOES exist, the messaging is confused or preaching to the choir. Not all of this is Iwata's fault. There are deficiencies in Nintendo's HW contracting (by which I mean, they're not able to produce their own components like Sony, and don't seem as able to strike good deals), their US and EU subsidiaries' distribution channels are wavering, and they have problems with their advertising agencies. If he's not going to take a bow and exit stage-left himself, he needs to make sure that other people do.

Other companies are using IOS/Android for companion apps, and I think Nintendo should too. If / when PS360 HW numbers begin to drop off they need to treat that like an opportunity. If it means dropping the price again, or coming up with some other novel sales scheme, then they need to do that. Their next key software announcements (NDs) and E3 will be telling as to how far they're prepared to go.

The actual console always seemed like a baffling and bad idea to me. It was a confusing mess of trying to leverage the original Wii but in the most confusing and lazy way possible. There was no real expansion on the original Wii idea. And the gamepad while I think its actually kind of cool is certainly not a mainstream solution in America. We have massive HDTV's that people play consoles on. The idea of suddenly playing on a gimped handheld tablet is not an appealing idea to the core gamer demo.

So that's the problem. The market has been changing for 20 years and Nintendo has always seemed to pretend they are impervious to these changes. So now they have a horrible reputation among the core demographic that currently constitutes gaming above the age of 15. They are viewed as baby's first console and then something you ditch. And the one really great idea they had with the original Wii has completely been usurped by the mobile/tablet market. And unlike the Wii they have proven they aren't a fluke and aren't going away.

They need a whole shitload of fresh thinking because what they are currently doing has no future.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 17, 2014, 11:02:35 AM
Iwata is just repeating what Nintendo has been saying for a while now, that they want to drive consumer to their premium devices through mobile, not that they want to make mobile games.

This plan is fucking bonkers stupid, Wii U level stupid, never gonna work. No one will fucking buy a 299/199 console after playing some ios teaser, they will just play the next ios shit.
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Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 17, 2014, 11:43:16 AM
Unless they made actual saleable, marketable games out of their companion apps, it wouldn't really bring in any money and as you say it'd be difficult to transition people over from $1 apps into paying big money for a console. Maybe even impossible.

I don't think that's how other companies are leveraging mobile though... Sony allow PS classics on their own mobiles, both manufacturers have official apps that link to their online networks. Companion apps from third party publishers usually have some sort of 'hook', something to play, but they also unlock rewards or points that can only be used on the full product. If its that kind of stuff they're talking about, its not really a bad idea -- but I agree, its not something that will reverse a consoles fortunes or anything. Nobody buys an Xbox because they can look at their Live account on a phone. Games like Splinter Cell Blacklist (awesome) sold like shit despite having companion apps and decent marketing.

I think he's talking about beyond Wii U and 3DS personally, and rethinking the value proposition. The devices that are eating into home consoles and portables, chiefly the Nintendo devices, are expensive in terms of what they actually are -- but they're perceptually cheap to Joe Public, because its simply accepted that everyone has a phone or a tablet. People consider taking a contract for one of them to be a natural thing; they happily buy them for their kids, and its as though they believe their kids 'need' them.

I don't think Nintendo are really in a place where they can, say, offer people the hardware in exchange for subscription to a contract -- or even in a place where people would buy a Nintendo branded smart-device. However, if all of this is making them reconsider the licensing and pricing structure that they have presided over of their own volition since the 80s, then that might actually be a good thing. The AAA market is a shark tank of insane budgets and ridiculous expectations - I believe people will still buy fun, as long as it comes at the right price -- and unfortunately, price has been a barrier of entry to games for a long time. If it means they might find the idea of streaming services or Nintendo licensed third party devices more attractive, then maybe that would be good too. IF it means they are just wholly evaluating whether they can continue to be a hardware manufacturer that takes in royalties, then I think that really portends quite seriously that software quality and quantity from Nintendo is going to be in serious jeopardy from now on. Which as a fan, is worrying.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2014, 11:45:32 AM
Don't really care either way if Nintendo reforms or fails, they're always going to be doing their own thing and eventually I'll always pick up their systems for their handful of good games.

But it's too bad he's staying because the internet drama if he left/got kicked would've been great to watch unfold.
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Post by: Huff on January 17, 2014, 11:50:38 AM
I dont think nintendo can get out of this downward spiral, so it really doesn't matter who is in charge of the ship
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Post by: ToxicAdam on January 17, 2014, 11:53:53 AM
Nintendo's game is cashing in on people's nostalgia.

Nintendo could easily cobble together a CCG with all their properties and clean up on the mobile side. Very little in the way of investment and instantly profitable.

But they will never do it, because they still have some weird 'pride' that prohibits them from properly licensing/using their properties in an effective way.  They've left billions of yen 'on the table' by not creating their own sandbox game or pushing for a Pokemon MMO. The ship has probably sailed on those ideas.

 

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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 12:04:25 PM
The lack of sandbox game and pokemon mmo were just utter waste of opportunities.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
Nintendo's game is cashing in on people's nostalgia.

Nintendo could easily cobble together a CCG with all their properties and clean up on the mobile side. Very little in the way of investment and instantly profitable.

But they will never do it, because they still have some weird 'pride' that inhibits them from properly licensing/using their properties in an effective way.  They've left billions of yen 'on the table' by not creating their own sandbox game or pushing for a Pokemon MMO. The ship has probably sailed on those ideas.

 

I agree with you but I also think there is some danger in just being a nostalgia company. It was mentioned in the other thread but Disney is regarded as a nostalgia company that still comes up with (or buys) new shit to stay relevant. Nintendo has failed at that piece of the puzzle.

The lack of sandbox game and pokemon mmo were just utter waste of opportunities.

Minecraft always struck me as the type of game that looks like it should be on a Nintendo console but never was. The fact that they were never able to examine that and say this is something we should be doing is the type of thing that is missing. They have no real American (Western) insight into gaming that is able to influence the company in any real way it appears.
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Post by: Himu on January 17, 2014, 12:09:57 PM
Disney is always cranking out new shit. This is something Nintendo does not understand.
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Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 17, 2014, 12:21:10 PM
Minecraft always struck me as the type of game that looks like it should be on a Nintendo console but never was. The fact that they were never able to examine that and say this is something we should be doing is the type of thing that is missing. They have no real American (Western) insight into gaming that is able to influence the company in any real way it appears.

Definitely agree with this. Minecraft 360 came out 6 months before Wii U's launch... Imagine if they'd had the foresight to get themselves a port with proper touchscreen UI. It'd have been the best non-PC way to play the game. And yeah, its not just about missing that particular title, its about not really knowing what's going on and what people are excited about. Dan Adelman has done alright getting some of the smaller things brought over to eShop, but I think they need a team dedicated to performing those kind of feats and tapping into things from the wider development community. I'd personally like to see them put out a public SDK that turns every console into a dev kit. Make the build&test system in such a way that the console has to be online to work, virtualise or wall off the test environment from eShop, prevent it from doing permanent NAND writes and stuff, and have devs sign up for a key that they can sign their test-binaries with. That way they can blacklist / ban any software that tries to do anything naughty. If they did something like this, people *would* play with it.
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Post by: SantaC on January 17, 2014, 12:22:49 PM
Iwata is a stubborn man. He still believes in cheap hardware and quick cashins.


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Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 17, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
Time for them to make a blood sacrifice and release a Pokemon MMO on the Wii U

With microtransactions


Profit
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 17, 2014, 12:30:10 PM
Purchase Master Ball for $0.99? Or a pack of 3 for $2.74? Best value, pack of 100 for $79.99
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Post by: MCD on January 17, 2014, 12:34:55 PM
Well, he won't resign.

He will be fired.
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Post by: Tasty on January 17, 2014, 12:37:20 PM
Time for them to make a blood sacrifice and release a Pokemon MMO on the Wii U

With microtransactions


Profit

Because DQX Wii worked out so well.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 17, 2014, 12:41:25 PM
Oh, my bad, didn't mean to make it seem like I actually know or care about what Nintendo is currently doing outside of the 3DS

Let them die, the invisible hand will provide us with new whimsy
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Post by: Raban on January 17, 2014, 12:44:39 PM
Oh, my bad, didn't mean to make it seem like I actually know or care about what Nintendo is currently doing outside of the 3DS

Let them die, the invisible hand will provide us with new whimsy
It already did
(http://i.imgur.com/ncpBt0p.jpg)
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Post by: magus on January 17, 2014, 02:35:54 PM
honestly i'd like to see nintendo try something from the bottom side of gaming,the ouya (and i guess indie games and kickstarter too) has showed people have an interess in a cheap console with cheap retro games and that was done by a bunch of hobo's who fucked it up so i'd think if nintendo made something like that and maybe... i don't know,convince konami to make gradius vi? and called it the "ULTRA FAMICOM" it could garner some traction

of course i guess the 3DS already sort of fills "nintendo cheap console" role anyway huh...
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Post by: Yeti on January 17, 2014, 03:21:34 PM
:lol it's not gonna be a game, it'll end up being some tamagotchi thing where you feed your mario or some such shit

Nah, it'll be an endless runner. Although a Mario styled cow clicker would be interesting.
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Post by: cool breeze on January 17, 2014, 03:55:14 PM
hey, NES Remix already turns Mario into a runner for some challenges making it like the Rayman iOS games.
 
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 17, 2014, 04:40:16 PM
I actually really liked the Wii U controller-screen-thingy when I played around with it a couple times at stores. It just evoked good feelings in me. But it didn't get me to buy one, so.
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Post by: MCD on January 17, 2014, 05:07:29 PM
Wii U is fun.

But I always end up buying some other shit during the month and forget about it.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2014, 06:02:20 PM
Wii U is fun.

But I always end up buying some other shit during the month and forget about it.

Yeah, I bought the system in November but still haven't played more than an hour of any game.  3D World isn't very motivating, and good stuff keeps coming out on other systems so I never turn the thing on.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 17, 2014, 09:18:00 PM
I bought Lego City Story today. :rock
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 17, 2014, 09:42:41 PM
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NTDOY

Nintendo's stock took a 17% hit today due to their readjustment.

Iwata may say he's going to stay but who knows at this point.

Edit: Holy shit, looks like if you count the start of this week, Nintendo's stock dropped about 25% from 19.09 to 14.90
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 18, 2014, 01:00:50 AM
Best Buy took a 29% stock hit also after underwhelming 4Q sales.

not really related, but kinda.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on January 18, 2014, 01:17:58 AM
Rented Nintendoland and .... It's actually really fun?!

What ...

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Post by: DCharlieJP on January 18, 2014, 01:43:19 AM
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I bought Lego City Story today

son finished the Japanese version - it looks pretty awesome.

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Post by: Tasty on January 18, 2014, 01:50:09 AM
How did the crazy amount of US pop culture references translate?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: tiesto on January 18, 2014, 01:52:14 AM
WiiU has about 10x as many games as I'd be interested in on it at this moment in time than either PS4 (none) or Xbone (one), so I can't say I'm entirely disappointed with my purchase. Sure, Nintendo fucked up pretty bad but I'm sure they'll find some way to weather it and turn a very miniscule profit until they can readjust their strategy or until the market drastically changes again. They should take a look at what Sony is doing with PSNow and totally cash in on their Virtual Console. Once the 3DS and WiiU's times are up, create a handheld ($150) and a tablet ($250) that could stream games to the TV. Go the Gamecube route - no bullshit gimmicks, just really efficient for a low price.

Also, Nintendo should have continued on what the original Wii did. Or at least have the pointer functionality back - seriously, while everyone was going crazy over waggle, this was the best thing about the original Wii controller (especially for rail shooters/light gun games/point 'n' clicks).
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Damian79 on January 18, 2014, 02:47:29 AM
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NTDOY

Nintendo's stock took a 17% hit today due to their readjustment.

Iwata may say he's going to stay but who knows at this point.

Edit: Holy shit, looks like if you count the start of this week, Nintendo's stock dropped about 25% from 19.09 to 14.90

They were priced to high.  They were worth more than Sony before that.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2014, 03:46:57 AM
Holy shit.

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303465004579325760899958956?mobile=y

You guys see this shit? Holy CRAP. Nintendo CEO actually SAID THAT. Holy SHIT.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 18, 2014, 04:50:34 AM
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"In Japan, I can be my own antenna, but abroad, that doesn't work," he said.

Isn't that what Reggie and Shibata are for? He needs to beef up the managerial capability of NOE and NOA and start pleasing western publishers. He should install one of his antennas in the UK as well, until the horror of it actually makes him cry.

Good comments... If he means to act on them
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Diunx on January 19, 2014, 09:51:31 AM
I'm definitely getting an used Weeeeoooo for 100 in the future when it can run emus and pirated games, it's gonna be glorious.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 19, 2014, 10:04:13 AM
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"In Japan, I can be my own antenna, but abroad, that doesn't work," he said.

Isn't that what Reggie and Shibata are for? He needs to beef up the managerial capability of NOE and NOA and start pleasing western publishers. He should install one of his antennas in the UK as well, until the horror of it actually makes him cry.

Good comments... If he means to act on them

Except the problem is that the Wii U is selling like shit in Japan as well.  So his antenna in general is busted.

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Wii U doesn't have that excuse or shield. The Wii was a fluke after two luke-warm console generations. The 64 wasn't terrible, the Gamecube was kinda terrible but still sucessful. But the Wii U is tracking far behind that one[/i] to be chugging along on the train-tracks of success. It's derailed. Time to accept that, clean house, and rebuild the company if they want success in the console market.

The PS3 got a strong second wind in mid-late 2009 with the PS3 slim + price drop.  It was one of those fabled relaunches that Nintards are always expecting when the latest Nintendo game comes out.  Sony had to pretty much start from the ground up though: new advertising campaign, new look, new price, PS Plus (although that came later), etc.  Nintendo is going to have to do the same I suspect.  However I doubt Nintendo has the wherewithal to do such a thing.  As much as Iwata is apologizing and saying "please understand", Nintendo's solution will probably be to bank on Mario Kart 8 and Smash Brothers lighting up the charts.  It's what Iwata has been doing for a long time (and Emily Rogers wrote another spergy essay about Iwata's ineffectiveness last year; him apologizing and talking about changing isn't anything new).
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2014, 10:27:09 AM
remember when nintendo tried to rekindle interest in the n64 by ripping off apple and making systems with bright colored plastic cases :sabu
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2014, 10:46:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/gN2hCxm.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/UzmNjmq.jpg)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 19, 2014, 02:29:14 PM
They did the same thing with game boys, no?

PURPLE. :drool
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 19, 2014, 02:44:36 PM
N64 had some dope system seller genre defining games though, unlike the wii u.

Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 19, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gN2hCxm.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/UzmNjmq.jpg)

Nintendo also pretty much copied off of Apple when designing the DS Lite and the Wii.

Nintendo "innovation" = copying off of Apple
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: tiesto on January 20, 2014, 01:26:56 AM
And Apple "innovation" was copied from Braun, your point? :P
http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future (http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Tasty on January 20, 2014, 01:32:26 AM
Good design is good design.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 01:44:11 AM
I thought that was ripping off play it loud game boys
The thing I'll always remember about that was when word first came out that Nintendo was preparing to release "colored Game Boys" and some people naturally assumed they were talking about the screen.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2014, 06:07:12 PM
This aggression will not stand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_1yUMPStaA
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 08:39:57 PM
good time to buy Nintendo's stock, brehs. Buy low sell high
(http://i.minus.com/iQu79TLlrlhBl.png)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: brob on January 20, 2014, 08:47:07 PM
Sound financial advice PD, but I put all my money in dogecoins and I don't think any exchange is accepting them (yet).

(http://i.minus.com/iQu79TLlrlhBl.png)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 21, 2014, 04:45:42 AM
I've actually been thinking of buying some. Could see a rebound from this position certainly... Friday morning was the best time for NTDOY and NTO by the look of it, and really... Feb 2013 was even lower than it is now. Was that pre 3DS price cut or something?

The stock at the height of the Wii days was something like 70+, I can't see it going back that high unless they really do go IOS or something
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 21, 2014, 05:21:03 AM
If you really want to make money easy on the stock exchange buy oil in the summer and sell in the winter.

Don't speculate on a toy company.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: archnemesis on January 21, 2014, 05:27:00 AM
If there were any sure ways to make money on the stock market then everyone would do it. Don't expect to gain more money than the average growth.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Rufus on January 21, 2014, 07:04:49 AM
For most mortals stocks are only useful to keep their money from depreciating too much.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: archnemesis on January 21, 2014, 07:25:31 AM
Sure, but if you don't have any inside information you might as well put your money into a mutual fund.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Rufus on January 21, 2014, 07:50:22 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: bachikarn on January 21, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
Sure, but if you don't have any inside information you might as well put your money into a mutual fund.

Index fund*
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: mjemirzian on January 21, 2014, 07:06:11 PM
Maybe I'll just skip the Wii U.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2014, 11:16:55 AM
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2014/01/nintendo-mobile/

ckohler spittin' that truth :rejoice
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
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One publishing executive, working on perhaps the biggest franchise in games today, recently told CVG that he felt Nintendo "just doesn't care about US developers". He claimed that not only is there a language barrier when studios submit development queries up the chain, but that his studio had to wait days for Nintendo to reply.

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"Nintendo was dead to us very quickly," one EA source told me when asked about why the publisher fell out with Nintendo so soon after committing to the system.

"It became a kids IP platform and we don't really make games for kids. That was pretty true across the other labels too. Even the Mass Effect title on Wii U, which was a solid effort, could never do big business, and EA like Activision is only focused on games that can be big franchises".

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/446277/blog/nintendo-must-reinvent-itself/
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 22, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
Every single WiiU ad I've seen has been targeted at kids. Every single one.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2014, 02:08:40 PM
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EA like Activision is only focused on games that can be big franchises

:derp

Biggest problem with the industry summed up so succinctly.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 02:23:23 PM
I don't know any gamer outside of forums above the age of let's say 18 who owns a Nintendo console. Which is not to say they don't exist at all. But that they lost that demographic in significant numbers a long time ago. It's a kid's console and a kid's brand for demographic and marketing purposes. And outside of the Wii which bucked that trend because it was a Hammer Please don't hurt em crossover success this has been the established pattern for a long time now.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 02:43:35 PM
The amount of those people who exclusively want to play Mario and Zelda on a console is not enough to sustain one as they are painfully finding out now.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: cool breeze on January 22, 2014, 03:19:38 PM
otoh kids games seem to sell well on the wii u.  I think rayman and maybe just dance are the two wii u games to sell as well or better than other consoles.
 
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: helios on January 22, 2014, 03:59:30 PM
All of the kids are playing GTA Online
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 22, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2014/01/nintendo-mobile/

ckohler spittin' that truth :rejoice

People who like what Nintendo still does sure like to keep saying Nintendo should just keep doing that

Too bad there are fewer of you every year, ask anyone with two brain cells at Nintendo if that worries them or not (assuming you can find someone who meets that criteria)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 22, 2014, 06:29:13 PM
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2014/01/nintendo-mobile/

ckohler spittin' that truth :rejoice

Holy shit talk about that kohler missing the point

Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 22, 2014, 06:47:09 PM
I don't know any gamer outside of forums above the age of let's say 18 who owns a Nintendo console. Which is not to say they don't exist at all. But they that lost that demographic in significant numbers a long time ago. It's a kid's console and a kid's brand for demographic and marketing purposes. And outside of the Wii which bucked that trend because it was a Hammer Please don't hurt em crossover success this has been the established pattern for a long time now.

you don't even know someone with a 3ds or ds?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 22, 2014, 07:36:28 PM
yeah i've been buying nintendo systems as second/third console since n64 days. it is never my main console. just a system to play nintendo stuff on.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 07:53:11 PM
I don't know any gamer outside of forums above the age of let's say 18 who owns a Nintendo console. Which is not to say they don't exist at all. But they that lost that demographic in significant numbers a long time ago. It's a kid's console and a kid's brand for demographic and marketing purposes. And outside of the Wii which bucked that trend because it was a Hammer Please don't hurt em crossover success this has been the established pattern for a long time now.

you don't even know someone with a 3ds or ds?

I know lots of kids who own a 3ds or ds. Almost no grown people.

And this isn't a diss. I'm not saying Nintendo makes kids games. I'm saying the perception is that Nintendo makes kids games. Which only drives away the core mainstream gamer dude. Go to any dorm or frat in America and I bet the number of Playstation and Xboxes dwarf the number of Nintendo consoles.

Now this wasn't an issue with the Wii because that was a once in a lifetime aberration of a success. But if they aren't going to be able to do that everytime, then they are in trouble at least on the console side. They will essentially be a declining gamecube every generation.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 22, 2014, 07:54:16 PM
I'm not suggesting it was a diss. I'm just surprised you don't know any people. Your gamer circle is different from mine I guess. My gamer circle all had 3ds systems and we all have nintendo consoles for secondary systems.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 08:02:29 PM
I'm not suggesting it was a diss. I'm just surprised you don't know any people. Your gamer circle is different from mine I guess. My gamer circle all had 3ds systems and we all have nintendo consoles for secondary systems.

I think your group of friends probably represent a group that is similar to the type of people that exist on neogaf and thebore. I think there is a large swath of people who are the real mainstream who are under-represented on forums.

None of this really reflects either way on the enjoyment one receives from the system and games a person owns. The Wii U I'm sure is some people's favorite console of all time. I just think its part of a declining demo of Nintendo fans that the original Wii made people forgot. At least in this country.

Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 22, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Oh completely. it's hard to forget that gamers like my circle just don't represent the majority of game fans.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Raban on January 22, 2014, 08:08:22 PM
None of this really reflects either way on the enjoyment one receives from the system and games a person owns. The Wii U I'm sure is one person's favorite console of all time. I just think its part of a declining demo of Nintendo fans that the original Wii made people forgot. At least in this country.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 08:11:26 PM
lol. Really I don't have much to shit talk about the Wii U. I mean I think I'm one of the few people on here who really dig the controller. And like most gamers I think Nintendo generally makes excellent stuff. I miss playing their stuff. Not enough to purchase Nintendo home consoles exclusively for that anymore but you get my point.

Not that I think going third party is the right move for them but I really would buy their software if I could get it on other platforms.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Damian79 on January 22, 2014, 08:22:01 PM
Ill just post a rumor and the response to the rumor from Kotaku here.

http://www.nintendonews.com/2014/01/nintendo-fusion-could-be-nintendos-next-gen-hardware-name/

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Domain Name: nintendofusion.com
Registry Domain ID: 98528369_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.melbourneit.com
Registrar URL: http://www.melbourneit.com.au
Updated Date: 2013-04-02T09:18:58Z
Creation Date: 2003-05-29T19:33:46Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-05-30T05:33:46Z
Registrar: Melbourne IT Ltd
Registrant Name: Nintendo of America Inc.
Registrant Organization: Nintendo of America Inc.
Registrant Street: 4820 150th Avenue NE
Registrant City: Redmond
Registrant State/Province: WA
Registrant Postal Code: 98052
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.4258822040
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.4258823585
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: webmaster@nintendo.com
Name Server: DNS1.NINTENDO.COM
Name Server: DNS2.NINTENDO.COM
Last update of WHOIS database: 2014-01-21T12:17:01Z

NOTE: nintendofusion.com was originally purchased because of the Nintendo Fusion Tour — a touring rock music and video game festival sponsored by Nintendo of America. The tour began in 2003, which explains the date of the domain name purchase. This may, or may not be, related to the tipped information below regarding Nintendo’s possible hardware. Additionally, the Nintendo Fusion Tour was last active in 2006.

Now, onto the other stuff.

The following information comes from our source, of whom which has provided us with possible hardware specifications related to Nintendo’s new hardware systems, said to be named “Fusion DS” and “Fusion Terminal,” respectively. I want to reiterate that everything below may not be guaranteed so please take that into consideration when viewing the information.

Fusion DS

CPU: ARMv8-A Cortex-A53 GPU: Custom Adreno 420-based AMD GPU
COM MEMORY: 3 GB LPDDR3 (2 GB Games, 1 GB OS)
2 130 mm DVGA (960 x 640) Capacitive Touchscreen
Slide Out Design with Custom Swivel Tilt Hinge
Upper Screen made of Gorilla Glass, Comes with Magnetic Cover
Low End Vibration for Gameplay and App Alerts
2 Motorized Circle Pads for Haptic Feedback
Thumbprint Security Scanner with Pulse Sensing Feedback
2 1mp Stereoptic Cameras
Multi-Array Microphone
A, B, X, Y, D-Pad, L, R, 1, 2 Buttons
3 Axis Tuning Fork Gyroscope, 3 Axis Accelerometer, Magnetometer
NFC Reader
3G Chip with GPS Location
Bluetooth v4.0 BLE Command Node used to Interface with Bluetooth Devices such as Cell Phones, Tablets
16 Gigabytes of Internal Flash Storage (Possible Future Unit With 32 Gigabytes)
Nintendo 3DS Cart Slot
SDHC “Holographic Enhanced” Card Slot up to 128 Gigabyte Limit
Mini USB I/O
3300 mAh Li-Ion battery
Fusion Terminal

GPGPU: Custom Radeon HD RX 200 GPU CODENAME LADY (2816 shaders @ 960 MHz, 4.60 TFLOP/s, Fillrates: 60.6 Gpixel/s, 170 Gtexel/s)
CPU: IBM 64-Bit Custom POWER 8-Based IBM 8-Core Processor CODENAME JUMPMAN (2.2 GHz, Shared 6 MB L4 cache)
Co-CPU: IBM PowerPC 750-based 1.24 GHz Tri-Core Co-Processor CODENAME HAMMER
MEMORY: 4 Gigabytes of Unified DDR4 SDRAM CODENAMED KONG, 2 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600 MHz (12.8 GB/s) On Die CODENAMED BARREL
802.11 b/g/n Wireless
Bluetooth v4.0 BLE
2 USB 3.0
1 Coaxial Cable Input
1 CableCARD Slot
4 Custom Stream-Interface Nodes up to 4 Wii U GamePads
Versions with Disk Drive play Wii U Optical Disk (4 Layers Maximum), FUSION Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) and Nintendo 3DS Card Slot
1 HDMI 2.0 1080p/4K Port
Dolby TrueHD 5.1 or 7.1 Surround Sound
Inductive Charging Surface for up to 4 FUSION DS or IC-Wii Remote Plus Controllers
Two versions: Disk Slot Version with 60 Gigs of Internal Flash Storage and Diskless Version with 300 Gigs of Internal Flash Storage
So, until Nintendo officially reveals their next-gen hardware lineup, don’t get too carried away with what we have presented in this article. The domain name, and information provided for the domain name, is entirely real. The hardware name and technical hardware specifications, along with some questionable code names, is another story.


Kotaku's response.

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Here at Kotaku, we love insider info. We like getting information both from random tipsters and our own sources. And because of those people—to whom we grant anonymity in our reporting—we're able to tell you stories you might not otherwise know about, and give you all the details about games like Titanfall and Alien: Isolation before they're even announced.
 
Of course, we're not the only ones: other outlets have also reported some terrific scoops using secret sources.
 
But the danger of anonymous sourcing is that when not handled judiciously, it can allow false information to spread.
 
Take "Nintendo Fusion," the recently-rumored "next Nintendo console" that you might have seen reported on major gaming websites like Destructoid, The Escapist, and VentureBeat. The rumor is this: in the wake of a rough 2013, Nintendo has started development on their next console, Nintendo Fusion, which will have two parts, called the Fusion DS and Fusion Terminal. There's also a giant list of specs for the system, including some questionable bullet-points like "Thumbprint Security Scanner with Pulse Sensing Feedback" and "SDHC 'Holographic Enhanced' Card Slot up to 128 Gigabyte Limit."
 
The timing is suspect, given that news just came out about Nintendo's rough 2013, and given that the company's last console launched just over a year ago. But while the list is full of red flags, the premise is certainly possible—plenty of pundits and observers would love to see Nintendo use its mighty developer talent for one hybrid console, rather than two. (Nintendo, when asked about the rumor, told me they don't comment on rumors and speculation.)
 
There's one bigger problem with this rumor: sketchy sourcing.
 
Where did all this come from? The above gaming sites all cite this article, written by Kevin McMinn for a website called Nintendo News, which says that this Nintendo Fusion rumor came from "an anonymous tip from one of [their] very reputable sources." Nintendo News presents the specs and information as a possibility, not a guarantee, and they warn readers to be skeptical about what's written there.
 
But when reached by e-mail last night, McMinn told me he doesn't actually know who gave him this Nintendo Fusion story. Although he believes that this is a "very reputable source," McMinn said he doesn't know who they are or how they might be privy to so many specific details about a new Nintendo console.
 
"I know little to nothing about the person who sent the email with the information," McMinn said. "All I know is that the person has been proven to have inside information and has given details to other sources as well; not just Nintendo News."
 
McMinn didn't elaborate, but said he hasn't published everything he's received from this anonymous tipster in the past, and what's more, he seems to regret allowing a rumor like this to spread.
 
"I'm really not sure why the Internet is blowing up right now over this," McMinn told me. "I've made it completely clear on numerous occasions throughout the article that the information is not 100% guaranteed and for readers to take caution when viewing the contents. I'm at a point now where I'll probably just keep tips to myself and not publish the info. This one article has been nothing more than a pain in the neck, really."
 
But the rumor might not have even started at Nintendo News. Yesterday, a website called GaminRealm also published those same specs, complete with one hell of a warning:
 
"Before I go any further though, let me make a disclaimer: Take all of this with a huge grain of salt. I'm not going to lie and make it out to seem like I have inside industry sources, because I don't. The information you're about to see comes from an anonymous origin, and an acquaintance of mine brought this to my attention – I'm just being honest with you. Yep, it's one of those situations."
In other words, GaminRealm's tipster could have been anyone ranging from Shigeru Miyamoto to a 14-year-old 4channer. Both websites list the same spec breakdown for this alleged Nintendo Fusion, and neither writer seems to know who provided the information in the first place.
 
It's not our norm to ask other reporters about their sources, but when a rumor is spreading and the origin of that rumor seems potentially suspect, we have to ask for any context that will help us size things up and discern what's worth sharing with our readers. So in an attempt to distinguish fact from fiction and untangle the confusing sourcing here, I asked GaminRealm founder Marlon Reid for more context.
 
"Our information came from one of our own sources whose information I cannot disclose," Reid told me in an e-mail. "I am well aware of [Nintendo News]. Unfortunately for them, my reporter was the first to have that info and has had that info for a while now."
 
Reid wouldn't elaborate on who sent GaminRealm the information or why they put a disclaimer like that, insisting in a follow-up e-mail that he "can not disclose source information," although the article itself makes it quite clear that writer Jahmai Williams did not know who sent in this info or whether it's real or not.
 
Meanwhile, Nintendo News's McMinn said he isn't sure whether the rumor he reported is legitimate.
 
"With regard to the hardware specifications, I can't give you an accurate answer," he told me in an e-mail. "I don't know enough about the listed hardware to provide you with an educated answer. For that reason alone, I cannot tell you if I think it holds any weight."
 
This is how the sausage gets made—from one or two anonymous e-mails to some of the largest websites in gaming. Flimsy rumors like Nintendo Fusion illustrate just how strange some of this stuff can get.

http://kotaku.com/tracking-down-the-odd-rumors-about-nintendos-next-cons-1506566012
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: tiesto on January 22, 2014, 09:32:18 PM
I dunno, I wouldn't count Nintendo out of the hardware business just yet. Trends change and they've got a history of making seemingly innocuous things that catch absolute fire. Considering how 'safe' MS and Sony have been lately, I miss that kinda huge risk taking in gaming.

What would be so beneficial to Nintendo on phones anyways (which is where everyone wants to see them go)?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 22, 2014, 10:08:01 PM
Eh. It's kind of impossible to argue that other than the aberration that was the Wii, they've been on a pretty consistently downward slope as far as share of the home console market since the SNES. They haven't shown an ability to stake a large claim to a stable share of the market as it exists; they've shown that once, they can catch lightning in a bottle. Which strategy sounds good to you?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: tiesto on January 22, 2014, 10:31:04 PM
For all that we know, Nintendo could bomb on smartphones, their games getting crowded out in the market or highly compromised to meet phone pay models... I have no stake in Nintendo as a stockholder and have no idea what they'll do, but I can see them to be the type of stubborn Japanese old guard company who will stick through till they don't have any $ left.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 22, 2014, 10:36:19 PM
Eh. It's kind of impossible to argue that other than the aberration that was the Wii, they've been on a pretty consistently downward slope as far as share of the home console market since the SNES. They haven't shown an ability to stake a large claim to a stable share of the market as it exists; they've shown that once, they can catch lightning in a bottle. Which strategy sounds good to you?

N64, aside from being cart based, did a lot right tbf. It wasn't until gc that I think things started getting bad.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: cool breeze on January 22, 2014, 10:51:12 PM
I dunno, I wouldn't count Nintendo out of the hardware business just yet. Trends change and they've got a history of making seemingly innocuous things that catch absolute fire. Considering how 'safe' MS and Sony have been lately, I miss that kinda huge risk taking in gaming.

What would be so beneficial to Nintendo on phones anyways (which is where everyone wants to see them go)?

3DS and Wii U are arguably safer than the competition.  Both are basically a traditional power bump + whatever was popular two years ago.

Not that I disagree.  I think that's why I want Valve's whole mess to work out.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 22, 2014, 11:08:44 PM
Eh. It's kind of impossible to argue that other than the aberration that was the Wii, they've been on a pretty consistently downward slope as far as share of the home console market since the SNES. They haven't shown an ability to stake a large claim to a stable share of the market as it exists; they've shown that once, they can catch lightning in a bottle. Which strategy sounds good to you?

N64, aside from being cart based, did a lot right tbf. It wasn't until gc that I think things started getting bad.

They absolutely got their asses kicked by the PSX that gen compared to what they used to do. I'm not dreaming this, am I? I'm pretty sure sales numbers reflect that.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 11:28:01 PM
The thing is back in the old days, even if they got outsold on the console side, they were still crazy profitable. So in a bottom line sense it didn't matter. Now not so much.

I mean I think you can trace them not keeping up with the market and the effect that would eventually have way down the road but that's a more speculative discussion.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 22, 2014, 11:29:43 PM
Eh. It's kind of impossible to argue that other than the aberration that was the Wii, they've been on a pretty consistently downward slope as far as share of the home console market since the SNES. They haven't shown an ability to stake a large claim to a stable share of the market as it exists; they've shown that once, they can catch lightning in a bottle. Which strategy sounds good to you?

N64, aside from being cart based, did a lot right tbf. It wasn't until gc that I think things started getting bad.

They absolutely got their asses kicked by the PSX that gen compared to what they used to do. I'm not dreaming this, am I? I'm pretty sure sales numbers reflect that.

everyone got their butt beat by psx. the point is that n64 was an actual alternative compared to what nintendo has...now. And the sales reflected this. n64 still sold VERY well.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 22, 2014, 11:39:40 PM
How many consoles in 3rd place have been financially viable?  The PS4 will outpace the Wii U by the end of this month if they haven't already and the Bone will be ahead of the Wii U probably by March.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 22, 2014, 11:55:02 PM
I didn't say the N64 wasn't profitable or didn't have 40% (just spitballing, probably less) of the US marketshare for that gen. My point is that Nintendo stopped being one of the big swaggering dicks of the console industry with the SNES, and the only time they managed to get back in the game was by making an underpowered gimmick machine that people forgot they owned after 2 years.

I also think focusing on profits when talking about Nintendo is missing the forest for the trees. Sure, they keep making money (until very recently at least) and have a fuck ton stashed away... what the fuck good is that doing them or you?  Not a fucking thing when they cheap out on hardware, don't have a solid launch lineup, are negligent at best or outright hostile at worst towards developing relationships with 3rd parties, and still in the 90's as it regards online play. 

Basically, they're not worth admiring because you like pokemanz, playing dress up with dumb fucking animals, or playing mascot brawl 37: button mash prime. This is like stanning for a chick that used to be hot and shits herself now. People can do better.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2014, 12:06:45 AM
I dunno. 3ds had an amazing year, partly due to nintendo support. I know you don't like handhelds, but nintendo did a really great job last year and was easily the best publisher/developer of the year.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2014, 12:14:48 AM
The problem Nintendo has is staying current with modern gaming tastes outside of japan. I think they had that in the 90's with the n64 with titles like goldeneye and perfect dark. I really would like to see a nintendo take on caller duty or halo or uncharted or some story-based game that is catered to people outside japan.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Trent Dole on January 23, 2014, 12:19:39 AM
Yeah those two games made by their non-JP studio Rare who they don't have anymore...
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2014, 12:22:07 AM
They've got retro, and Nintendo has money. They could probably find a way if they really wanted to.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: tiesto on January 23, 2014, 12:23:20 AM
The problem Nintendo has is staying current with modern gaming tastes outside of japan. I think they had that in the 90's with the n64 with titles like goldeneye and perfect dark. I really would like to see a nintendo take on caller duty or halo or uncharted or some story-based game that is catered to people outside japan.

I'm the opposite, I feel if you want western-oriented FPS or linear cinematic games there are 2 other platforms that have more than enough of it going around... Nintendo should concentrate on what they do best and it's not those types of games.

In fact, I argue with Wii U's awful marketshare in Japan, they have done even less to cater to Japan... outside of Monster Hunter, Wonderful 101 and Sonic there's not really a whole lot going for it with Japanese 3rd parties, there are definitely more western 3rd party games on the platform.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2014, 12:26:23 AM
I'm only saying that I would to like to see Nintendo's spin on it. Also, Goldeneye's existence didn't stop Nintendo from releasing new games in classic nintendo franchises. So your argument is kind of odd. Plus, as games like Vanquish have shown. Japanese spin on western genres can result in very, very awesome software.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 23, 2014, 12:45:40 AM
Console gaming in Japan is apparently dead as dogshit just in general, though, so that's not really surprising.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: cool breeze on January 23, 2014, 01:11:39 AM
Console gaming in Japan is apparently dead as dogshit just in general, though, so that's not really surprising.

I am curious about what the most expensive console game meant for the Japanese audience is.  If I had to guess I'd say the yakuza or tales series.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 23, 2014, 01:11:52 AM
I think the issue is that Nintendo could do more, but doesn't. Or maybe doesn't know how to anymore. It's kind of sad and frustrating.

And can anyone seriously tell me that Nintendo is currently on a path to doing anything other than satisfying their increasingly small and statistically irrelevant core fan base with what they're doing?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2014, 01:48:17 AM
Console gaming in Japan is apparently dead as dogshit just in general, though, so that's not really surprising.

I am curious about what the most expensive console game meant for the Japanese audience is.  If I had to guess I'd say the yakuza or tales series.

final fantasy.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: magus on January 23, 2014, 06:55:55 AM
I think the issue is that Nintendo could do more, but doesn't. Or maybe doesn't know how to anymore. It's kind of sad and frustrating.

And can anyone seriously tell me that Nintendo is currently on a path to doing anything other than satisfying their increasingly small and statistically irrelevant core fan base with what they're doing?

Is anyone in the video games industry?

eeeehhh but nintendo is a big company that has a ship that is going to hit an iceberg that they need to steer, it's not like they are konami and can or are willing to outsorce everything they have to pachinko companies, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about them every odd numbered week in the first place
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Damian79 on January 23, 2014, 07:34:00 PM
It's the exact same illness that killed the American comic book companies.  Pandering to a shrinking fanbase with no plan or idea of how to pull in anyone new.  It works until that fanbase leaves the hobby or dies off, and then you're right fucked.  Those kids who are playing tablets or smart devices right now instead of the consoles/computers we played when we were kids?  What makes anyone think those kids aren't going to just keep on playing on those devices as they grow up?  This isn't all of Nintendo's problem by any stretch of the imagination (I don't even think it's a tenth of what their problem is), but it is a factor in their present woes, and it's something that is absolutely coming down the line to your favorite gaming company.

Glad to see people here getting it.  People are going to migrate to "i" devices sooner than they think .
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 23, 2014, 08:59:50 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=756524

(http://i.minus.com/jueUweqUgoYM8.png)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 23, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
Look at all them fegs. Unban me, EviLore. They must be reckoned with, and I'm the one to do it.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: MCD on January 23, 2014, 09:33:55 PM
@Oscar

Do you think Nintendo will build their own OS/Ecosystem, perhaps a fork of Android like Amazon Kindle to counter the mobile war? Or is it too late considering giants like Blackberry are struggling and MS is still playing catchup.

Just wonder if they still have a chance at least in Japan.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: MCD on January 23, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
I see.

I was thinking maybe they will go solo and have their own branded tablets and phones like Amazon or perhaps the Surface RT but in Japan.

Oh well, considering the kids in my family are content with Minecraft and shooters shooters shooters, I guess it's no big loss seeing them go.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 23, 2014, 10:08:41 PM
I think Nintendo can still carve out an appreciable niche with a Roku type device.  They have enough stroke where they can get some company, maybe even Roku themselves to have their new games and a controller on their media streaming device(s).  They can sell a separate controller and let people download and play the latest super jumpyman game.  You could also have a Virtual Console setup there as well.  They would be "third party" but it would be largely on their terms and with a deal that lets them have exclusivity on that platform, as well as probably a cut of the sales of the media player itself.

I still think Nintendo will make another console.  It will be even dumber and further behind than the Wii U because Nintendo's response to shrinking marketshare is usually to be more conservative, not less.  Then that will be that for Nintendo consoles.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2014, 10:20:55 PM
If I was a betting man I would say Nintendo is going to try another crack at the console market. If that one fails then its game over but I think it will be almost impossible for them to ignore their history and their tradition. What shape that console will take will be fascinating. Hybrid handheld/console, Partnering with somebody else on it, a retro low tech virtual console machine, a super-duper this is our last chance so we will go out swinging with a power console, etc. I have no idea what form it will take yet.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2014, 10:47:20 PM
While I didn't enjoy owning a Wii I respected the Wii. It really was an attempt at trying something completely different than the paradigm that had existed before. It really had me excited and that's why I bought one. And the first time you played Wii Sports, it really did feel like something absolutely brand new.


The Wii U to me is nothing like that. It's a very cynical weird wanna be console imo. If ever a console kinda deserved to flame out from a design perspective its that one imo.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: headwalk on January 24, 2014, 12:22:18 AM
those kids who are playing tablets or smart devices right now instead of the consoles/computers we played when we were kids?  What makes anyone think those kids aren't going to just keep on playing on those devices as they grow up?

weird that you group consoles and computers together. computers were the realm of the dad when i was growing up, while today's hottest IPs with kids and young teens are minecraft and league of legends.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: headwalk on January 24, 2014, 12:41:21 AM
those kids who are playing tablets or smart devices right now instead of the consoles/computers we played when we were kids?  What makes anyone think those kids aren't going to just keep on playing on those devices as they grow up?

weird that you group consoles and computers together. computers were the realm of the dad when i was growing up, while today's hottest IPs with kids and young teens are minecraft and league of legends.

it's possible i'm older than you are, cuz when i was a kid, consoles were pretty well dead and we only had computers if we wanted to play games at home.  definitely not a "dad" thing.  fair point on kids playing a hell of a lot of minecraft/lol these days though.  my main point though is that kids who used to derp around on nintendos are now mostly derping around on tablets and smart devices, and hoping that they'll move over to something else when they get older seems about as wise as hoping kids who grew up on video games would move back to board games when they reached adulthood.

oh yeah, i agree with your wider point. it was just that my personal childhood idea of a computer was a beige monolith that you had to ask their dad to play tie fighter on, whereas today it seems to be the home of the more involved end of the youth gamer demographic.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 24, 2014, 01:50:14 AM
i can confirm. i always had to ask permission to play a game on computer. the same was true for my friends. we had only one friend who played computer games and we laughed at him and called him old.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on January 24, 2014, 02:04:39 AM
i got duke nukem 3d for christmas 96. it kicked ass.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2014, 02:52:03 AM
Atari 400/800, Commodore 64's were family computers that doubled as kids computer consoles. They had as much in common with consoles as computers and the line was blurry.

PC compatibles existed and so did games on them but they were considered Dad's computer back then. That started to shift in the late 80s's early 90's as consoles replaced the Atari and Commodore stuff and the PC compatibles became cheap enough to give to the kids.

At least this is how it happened in America.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 24, 2014, 03:45:05 AM
First game I remember playing was River Raid on my cousins C64.

:rock
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: archnemesis on January 24, 2014, 04:08:03 AM
Maybe I'm too young, but I've never met  any European using an Amiga, Atari, or Commodore computer for anything besides games or music production. Even back then 8086 PCs were available and that's what people were using for work.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 24, 2014, 06:34:41 AM
those kids who are playing tablets or smart devices right now instead of the consoles/computers we played when we were kids?  What makes anyone think those kids aren't going to just keep on playing on those devices as they grow up?

weird that you group consoles and computers together. computers were the realm of the dad when i was growing up, while today's hottest IPs with kids and young teens are minecraft and league of legends.

it's possible i'm older than you are, cuz when i was a kid, consoles were pretty well dead and we only had computers if we wanted to play games at home.  definitely not a "dad" thing.  fair point on kids playing a hell of a lot of minecraft/lol these days though.  my main point though is that kids who used to derp around on nintendos are now mostly derping around on tablets and smart devices, and hoping that they'll move over to something else when they get older seems about as wise as hoping kids who grew up on video games would move back to board games when they reached adulthood.

I'm not sure how much 'gaming' kids are actually doing on smart devices. They have tonnes of other stuff they can do on them as well. My nephew for example, he watches cartoons on my sisters tablet and on my Wii U, and I think primarily he sees the tablet as something he can watch something on. But he also knows it can do other stuff -- like we got him a Furby for christmas that interfaces with a tablet app - you feed it via the tablet etc. He loves that. He likes musical toy type apps, things that will distort photos or let you draw... He's also quite taken with using his mum's phone to send snapchats to us during the week, when he doesn't see us... usually just pulling a silly face or saying something daft. I see more teens fiddling away on Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest and Whatsapp than I do playing games. Consoles are trying to get in on this ancillary social stuff, but to this point, its all sort of superfluous and unnecessary when everybody has devices that do those things much quicker. Gaming devices can be functionally better for playing games all they want, but if there's no craze or unique phenomenon to tap in to, I think its going to be harder and harder to pull people away from other forms of quick consumption - certainly for things like handhelds, or casual oriented consoles. And by casual I mean - appeals to mass market (more than just gamers). If I were designing a casual console or interface myself, I'd want it to boot quickly, boot from sleep even quicker, and serve these sorts of services in a fast, efficient way. I think its more important for any console - home or handheld - to have an attractive, marketable USP and positive WOM though.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: MCD on January 25, 2014, 06:04:53 AM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-25-iwata-isnt-nintendos-problem-its-miyamoto

You guys were hating on the wrong person.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Fifstar on January 25, 2014, 06:32:17 AM
Not exactly a new opinion and I believe Nintendo has bigger problems than just the rehashing it's franchises. Also for a gaming only company wouldn't something like the general strategy that they need new IPs be something that the CEO would be responsible for as well? He should be able so see were the (general) problems in the gaming development departments are and if Miyamoto is at fault tell him what to do or appoint somebody else. Would be interesting to know if they have problems with their power structure, espeically after Yamauchi's death.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2014, 08:44:06 AM
Miyamoto hasn't done much of worth in a while, hasn't he?

I picture him puttering around Nintendo HQ in his house shoes, occasionally dropping in on development teams to share some back-in-my-day stories, before leaving to get drunk at 11:00am.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 25, 2014, 09:48:02 AM
Hold up, brb, lemme make this game about measuring shit
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 25, 2014, 10:05:50 AM
I still think they'll try a tablet. I believe they could do pretty well with a dockable rig, but the timetable is rapidly shrinking (two years, at best).  I think the 2DS was them dipping a toe in the water with the form factor. Take away that strip of plastic running through the middle and it's basically a really low-powered Fisher Price tablet already.  They could slap a "new" NinTablet together for not much investment. The Hisense I bought at Wal-Mart was only $129, but it's pretty full-featured. It has the Tegra 3 internals of the 2012 N7 with added camera, microSD, and HDMI out. Nintendo will want absolute control of whatever they use for the OS, though, so it'll ending up being some half-assed jank like those old import Android tablets that didn't even have access to Google Play.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: headwalk on January 25, 2014, 12:05:58 PM
Nintendo will want absolute control of whatever they use for the OS, though, so it'll ending up being some half-assed jank like those old import Android tablets that didn't even have access to Google Play.

maybe they won't, maybe it'll be the big submission to "western business trends" that they just go with a k1 nvidia chip and a fairly light android wrapper with just enough proprietary hardware tweaks to keep the emulators away for 18 months.

for me, that's their best and only bet to retain some hardware distinction and still hold some faint hope for market relevance.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: headwalk on January 25, 2014, 12:06:20 PM
DP'd harder than when demi met the legion of doom.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: cool breeze on January 25, 2014, 01:16:09 PM
Miyamoto hasn't done much of worth in a while, hasn't he?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGmkPqk-Ly4
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
That was the exact moment where I stopped identifying myself as a Nintendo fan.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: headwalk on January 25, 2014, 03:35:25 PM
That was the exact moment where I stopped identifying myself as a Nintendo fan.

while i haven't self-identified as a nintendo fan since the early days of the gamecube, this is the precise moment i knew they were done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPvjRwCeakM

(timestamp - 1hr 9m 43s)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2014, 03:52:45 PM
*polite applause*
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: cool breeze on January 25, 2014, 04:11:53 PM
e3 2012 wasn't all bad

(http://i.minus.com/i339toIDdn3jj.gif)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 27, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98670353#post98670353

Queue 100 pages of butthurt.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 27, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
If Nintendo thinks they will lure customers from ios to 3ds with videos and demos they are in for yet another rude awakening.

Who the fuck is running this company?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 27, 2014, 06:11:36 PM
They are smoking from the same crackpipe then in this regard.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Damian79 on January 29, 2014, 08:15:39 PM
https://twitter.com/gibbogame

Iwata is speaking now.  He says they will continue R&d into hardware in the future.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 29, 2014, 08:23:05 PM
Iwata bomb zal droppen
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: demi on January 29, 2014, 08:36:44 PM
Lol, dooooooomed.

Please give me X and SMTxFE before you croak
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Damian79 on January 29, 2014, 08:39:10 PM
I am not sure what they could do at this point, the problem is that people bought too MANY Wii U's for them to abandon them.  It isnt like the virtual boy scenario where they sold nothing so they could abandon them easily.  I think they are right to double down on pad because they have to ride out the wave now, may aswell.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Damian79 on January 29, 2014, 08:40:28 PM
I really dont understand why a price drop is not an option though.   Finally Nintendo ID's lol.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Takao on January 29, 2014, 08:50:34 PM
I really dont understand why a price drop is not an option though.   Finally Nintendo ID's lol.

They're still losing money on each Wii U sold.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: bachikarn on January 29, 2014, 08:52:23 PM
What’s Mr. Iwata going to focus on for the next 10 years? The main theme: enhancing the quality of life through entertainment. The key word is health, Mr. Iwata says. Citing a flood of wearable devices already on the market, he says Nintendo is trying out something completely new: non-wearables to monitor your health.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: bachikarn on January 29, 2014, 08:57:00 PM
Summary:

Wii U
- The problem is that people think it's an accessory for Wii
- They can't cut the price
- The Gamepad needs to be emphasized more
- The first game to emphasize the Gamepad will be Mario Kart 8, which uses off-tv play
- They will announce NFC games at E3.

General Direction
- No major changes in company's direction
- Further hardware R&D will continue
- They won't release games on other peoples platforms, including mobile
- They want to have a platform where the platform is not the device, but rather the user (IE integrated over multiple hardware platforms)
- They are considering a streaming service
- They have solved technical hurdles related to Virtual Consoles
- They will license characters to new partners -- it's unclear if this means merchandise or games

QUACK ZONE WARNING QUACK ZONE
- Nintendo wants to get into health care and wellness and lifestyle products
- They want to improve your quality of life
- This has nothing to do with games
- They want to announce ways to make you healthy
- This will not involve wearable devices because there are too many of those.
- This is integrated with games
- This will launch in April 2015
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: cool breeze on January 29, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
the big plan involves those fitness bracelets?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Takao on January 29, 2014, 09:00:03 PM
the plan for profitability lies in an unrelated market.  good jon, iwata.

works well enough for sega and konami
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: hampster on January 29, 2014, 09:02:07 PM
Well there are a lot of fat kids out there...
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Takao on January 29, 2014, 09:10:09 PM
DS games are going to look rough on a TV. The 3D ones already looked ugly on the machine.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Positive Touch on January 29, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
all aboard the u.s.s. whimsy!

(http://i.imgur.com/NXJ8rjo.jpg)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: cool breeze on January 29, 2014, 09:11:10 PM
are smart watches popular enough for nintendo to copy in two years? 
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 29, 2014, 09:13:51 PM
Nintendo should go back to managing love hotels.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: brob on January 29, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
Gamify fitness. Nabbit's superguide for your work-out routine. 
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Pringo on January 29, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
are smart watches popular enough for nintendo to copy in two years?

Nah, they said they want to leapfrog the wearable stuff. Into what exactly seems unknown.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfMUd-qCQAE7wfh.jpg)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Takao on January 29, 2014, 09:39:24 PM
"3DS dominates in Japan so 3rd party want to develop for, overseas console dominates with developers focused on console and not portable"
"But thinks with 3DS having 10m installed base developers are more interested, WiiU rebound will see 3rd party follow"

So your strategy to get third party support is to try to sell more Wii Us and then hope those studios drop their PS4/XB1 or Mobile games in favour of developing on it?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Takao on January 29, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
are smart watches popular enough for nintendo to copy in two years?

Nah, they said they want to leapfrog the wearable stuff. Into what exactly seems unknown.

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfMUd-qCQAE7wfh.jpg[img]

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=36618.msg1814260#msg1814260
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: bachikarn on January 29, 2014, 09:56:37 PM
Nintendo's third party strategy:
Wii U will rebound, and 3rd party devs will follow.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 29, 2014, 10:07:03 PM
FUCK. The day after we record a Cruncheons. Oh well.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 29, 2014, 10:08:00 PM
FUCK. The day after we record a Cruncheons. Oh well.

:(
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: bachikarn on January 29, 2014, 10:11:54 PM
"WiiU sales while weak in USA or UK they were strong in France and currently studying why that was the case"

Do we have any French boreans?

They also announced they are going to put out wallpapers on mobile? fucking lol
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Huff on January 29, 2014, 10:21:34 PM
non-wearables. what the fuck does that mean

nanomachines
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Raban on January 29, 2014, 10:31:12 PM
He's talking about injectables. Get that whimsy straight into the bloodstream.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Yeti on January 29, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
Snortables. Lickables. Fuckables.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Raban on January 29, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
Nintendo said they want to get into the health business, right? Maybe they'll just sell you pills that'll get you all fucked up on whimsy. Dr. Luigi's got something for you :shaq
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 29, 2014, 10:56:55 PM
I think this is fucking hilarious myself.  I suspect that Iwata believes that they don't really need to make any real changes because they think that Mario Kart 8 and Smash Brothers 4 will really turn things around for them.  In the meantime, the Wii U continues to flatline.  Pretty soon third parties aren't even going to bother with token ports but it isn't like Nintendo gives a shit about that anyway.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: cool breeze on January 29, 2014, 11:00:29 PM
non-wearables. what the fuck does that mean

nanomachines

Use your imagination

I'm playing Startropics 3 right now :heh

Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 29, 2014, 11:02:53 PM
I think this is fucking hilarious myself.  I suspect that Iwata believes that they don't really need to make any real changes because they think that Mario Kart 8 and Smash Brothers 4 will really turn things around for them.  In the meantime, the Wii U continues to flatline.  Pretty soon third parties aren't even going to bother with token ports but it isn't like Nintendo gives a shit about that anyway.

I think this already happened. What third party ports exist aside from watch dogs and Lego games for 2014?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: headwalk on January 29, 2014, 11:03:50 PM
are smart watches popular enough for nintendo to copy in two years?

Nah, they said they want to leapfrog the wearable stuff. Into what exactly seems unknown.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfMUd-qCQAE7wfh.jpg)

haha, they included wii music.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Tasty on January 29, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
They're looking into streaming services like Gaikai and that combined with their desire to unify development platforms tells me their next console might just be streaming-only, probably with the same hardware power as their next handheld. Then you play the same games on either.

However they need to GET A FUCKING ACCOUNT SYSTEM before then.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 30, 2014, 12:52:47 AM
sure, why not?  it sold more than 3 million copies.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59cg62wqpY
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: radioheadrule83 on January 30, 2014, 08:49:53 AM
Having read the Q&A and other reports, I've a few thoughts on it


Nothing in there to excite existing owners and gamers, but then, I suppose thats not the point of the investor Q&A. It was more "we have some ideas, promise"

I disagree with them that a price drop would be pointless. People in the UK are very price savvy and price motivated And they're fickle. See 360 giving way to a market of PS4 preferred to Xbone by 1.5:1. Price and value matter!
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2014, 09:19:52 AM
  • One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is the increase in licensing activities. I don't think they mean just toys... I've got a feeling they may be open to licensing hitherto more-restricted characters for cartoons or movies now. Which could be massive, if so.

Maybe we'll finally get that Super Mario Bros. 2 movie that we were promised. Bob Hoskins ain't getting any younger.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 30, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
LEAPFROG STRATEGY

(http://i.imgur.com/0sS1rh2.gif)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: bachikarn on January 30, 2014, 09:44:30 AM
  • One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is the increase in licensing activities. I don't think they mean just toys... I've got a feeling they may be open to licensing hitherto more-restricted characters for cartoons or movies now. Which could be massive, if so.

Maybe we'll finally get that Super Mario Bros. 2 movie that we were promised. Bob Hoskins ain't getting any younger.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-super-mario-bros-movie-gets-a-comic-book-sequel/
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Damian79 on February 04, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
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Last year Nintendo reorganized its R&D divisions and integrated the handheld device and home console development teams into one division under Mr. Takeda. Previously, our handheld video game devices and home video game consoles had to be developed separately as the technological requirements of each system, whether it was battery-powered or connected to a power supply, differed greatly, leading to completely different architectures and, hence, divergent methods of software development. However, because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. We discussed this point, and we ultimately concluded that it was the right time to integrate the two teams.

For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.

Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.
-Iwata

Fusion confirmed?  Forget the specs i posted before though.  Highly unrealistic.  But the next handheld will be about the same power as the wii u judging from this.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Tasty on February 04, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
Yeah, the next handheld will have Wii U-level power (well, probably a bit less, who knows), while their next console will have the same power but probably in a much smaller and less expensive ($99?) package (think Vita TV without the fail.) And you play the same games on both. As far as gambits to get third party support for their home systems go, this is probably the best bet.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Tasty on February 04, 2014, 09:00:35 PM
I was going to put a disclaimer that it wouldn't be the same kind of fail, but it was already kind of a run on sentence.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Himu on February 04, 2014, 09:02:32 PM
I heard vita TV is good?
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Tasty on February 04, 2014, 09:41:49 PM
I love the idea of Vita TV but the fact that most games have to be manually updated by devs killed it IMO. Just another reason that rear touchpad was a stupid fucking idea.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2014, 07:11:17 AM
Pretty soon third parties aren't even going to bother with token ports but it isn't like Nintendo gives a shit about that anyway.
I think this already happened. What third party ports exist aside from watch dogs and Lego games for 2014?
“If that (keeps happening), the console business becomes a commodity business. There is no reason to choose one console over another, except price,” he said. “Then it doesn’t matter which machine you choose–they all play the same games.”
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: helios on February 06, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
(http://i.minus.com/isxxRLHmkdsyI.gif)
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: bork on February 09, 2014, 03:21:51 PM
I heard vita TV is good?

It is good, in theory- you get a cheap little box that plays PS1, PSP, Minis, PS Mobile, and select Vita games right out of the box, plus it will be able to remote play PS4 games and will stream PS Now (so more PS1, plus PS2 and PS3) later on, and it offers streaming video services.

It's just too bad that so many Vita games aren't supported, we don't really know much about PS Now yet, and won't know how PS4 remote play is on it until the end of this month.

Plus it seems like Sony isn't releasing it here.  I'd still import one if U.S. accounts start working on them after a patch, though- if for no other reason than the streaming stuff.

I feel bad for the people who imported this thing, like this guy.  Glad I held off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLg7B74pPA
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2014, 04:18:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-KfkoQ0MqA
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Tasty on February 09, 2014, 04:19:58 PM
The Vita TV is exactly what I think the next Nintendo system will be (and should be, down to the price and size), except the games will be completely cross-playable between it and their next handheld.

Really hoping they get their account shit in order before then, though.

(http://i.imgur.com/nGEDd0Tl.jpg)

Look at this shit, it's so hot. Damn shame it'll probably be JP only and most Vita games will never work on it though.
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: Shaka Khan on February 09, 2014, 04:37:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-KfkoQ0MqA

Came here to post this. :dead
Title: Re: Iwata STAYS
Post by: magus on February 09, 2014, 06:18:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-KfkoQ0MqA

ehy i know that doggie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deBf0GqyxBY