I look forward to laughing at everyone buying this full price.
How long before it's $20?
Square just released a great new Final Fantasy game. It's called Bravely Default. It's not called Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.AV you magnificent bastard.
The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.
The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.
The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.
4.5/10
Quote from: The GIASquare just released a great new Final Fantasy game. It's called Bravely Default. It's not called Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.AV you magnificent bastard.
Quote from: http://www.egmnow.com/articles/reviews/egm-review-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.
The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.
The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.
4.5/10
:heh
Quote from: http://www.egmnow.com/articles/reviews/egm-review-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.
The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.
The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.
4.5/10
:heh
Quote from: http://www.egmnow.com/articles/reviews/egm-review-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.
The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.
The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.
4.5/10
:heh
Good review, makes the game sound awesome? The reviewer clearly didn't like FFXIII, calling Paradigm Shifts 'tedious' and the new system on par. I loved FFXIII I'm sure I'll enjoy this.
So sick of FF fans jacking off on nostalgia and hating a game because 'its not final fantasy'. How is the XIII trilogy not Final Fantasy? They are fucking RPGs and shit
I couldn't care less about Bravley Defualt. Hardly looks intersting and all the "savior of jrpg" crap reminds me of Ni No Kuni.
Whatever, game is getting crappy reviews with a lot of them talking about the gameplay. The gameplay seems to me to be the best thing about this series finnaly perfected. The reviews just seem like reviewers taking a crap on the series because there isn't going to be much backlash. Yeah shit on the story while jacking off that crap that is Bioshock Infinite. I've already got this paid off. Hell, I've already listened to the soundtrack which is great. I'm ready.
Quote from: The GIASquare just released a great new Final Fantasy game. It's called Bravely Default. It's not called Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.AV you magnificent bastard.
we could have the guy who made that legendary legend of dragoon review write a review of lightning returns but instead we have these lame article about gone home and what not
:wag AV :wag
Male reviewers scared of a strong women what don't need no man. Overthrow the patriarchy, sis.
Quote from: http://www.egmnow.com/articles/reviews/egm-review-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.
The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.
The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.
4.5/10
:heh
Good review, makes the game sound awesome? The reviewer clearly didn't like FFXIII, calling Paradigm Shifts 'tedious' and the new system on par. I loved FFXIII I'm sure I'll enjoy this.
So sick of FF fans jacking off on nostalgia and hating a game because 'its not final fantasy'. How is the XIII trilogy not Final Fantasy? They are fucking RPGs and shit
"The world of Gran Pulse and the Unseen Realm have merged together into a new land called Nova Chrysalia, where humanity, untouched by time, has spent the last five centuries waiting for the final curtain to fall. "
:neogaf
Paradigm Shifts are "tedious" though. Let's be honest: What does it bring to the combat table? It's basically a faster version of FFX-2's dress sphere system, but you don't gain full control over it for like... 50 hours. You're in a tutorial phase for those 50 hours. Now throw in the hunts that (for five stars) is dive bombing your HP and putting a medic on the team to heal everyone while staggering as quick as possible and... what is the point of the paradigms?But they aren't. Honestly, this just sounds like someone who dosen't know how to play the game and then complains about the bossess putting doom on them because they weren't fast enough. Paradigms are there for the quick switch between strategies. If you're playing offense with a commando, medic, and rav you're doing it wrong. That should only be you're set up for a quick heal where you need to keep the stagger , but don't need any buffs. Otherwise it should be commando, rav, rav. Maybe all ravs. maybe through in a sab because they keep stagger, but also raise it higher then a com. The beauty of the pradigm system comes in switching constantly and very quickly as you try to kill enmies as fast possible, which is what the game is about. If you're not switching a lot you're doing it wrong. The battle system has a lot of awesome strategy timing which makes the battle system amazing as the pace of battle is quick and always feels like it can change for better or worse during boss battles.
I own this and Bravely Default. I'll be enjoying all my JRPG goodness without the hipster. smug smug smug smug:yeshrug
To call paradigms tedious is very stupid when they are basicly why the battle system in XIII is incredibly fun. This is also why people confuse me when they complain about the begining of the game. You do have most of the battle system and the game is incredibly fun trying to use just two characters. The Vanile and Szah part is great.
If you're not switching a lot you're doing it wrong. The battle system has a lot of awesome strategy timing which makes the battle system amazing as the pace of battle is quick and always feels like it can change for better or worse during boss battles.
But they aren't. Honestly, this just sounds like someone who dosen't know how to play the game and then complains about the bossess putting doom on them because they weren't fast enough. Paradigms are there for the quick switch between strategies. If you're playing offense with a commando, medic, and rav you're doing it wrong. That should only be you're set up for a quick heal where you need to keep the stagger , but don't need any buffs. Otherwise it should be commando, rav, rav. Maybe all ravs. maybe through in a sab because they keep stagger, but also raise it higher then a com. The beauty of the pradigm system comes in switching constantly and very quickly as you try to kill enmies as fast possible, which is what the game is about.
To call paradigms tedious is very stupid when they are basicly why the battle system in XIII is incredibly fun. This is also why people confuse me when they complain about the begining of the game. You do have most of the battle system and the game is incredibly fun trying to use just two characters. The Vanile and Szah part is great.
Having two characters in XIII is very fun. The game is completely fun the entire way through.
If the FF dark period is where you have games that are extremely fun to play at the expense of crappy story execution then fine. Sounds better then other periods.
One of these things isn't like the other...There actually isn't any contradiction. I'm saying com/rav/rav should be the default and then you go from there. Medic should never be out unless you're healing. You should only be healing for a sec, because thats all it takes. A medic should never be in you're default starting paradigm. It's Com/rav/rav because there you start off the battle running.
What is the point of switching when "killing quickly" WANTS you to continue to use RAV/COM/RAV? At the very least you only need TWO: COM/RAV and then a MED to beat the game.But it dosen't. You have to stagger enemies most of the time. To do that the best is start off with a com or Sab and then quickly switch to rav/rav/rav. You can switch to something with sab so you can put some effects, but the AI is bad with sab because they stop after everything has been put on. It should only be com when something is staggerd honestly. The rest of the battle system is balancing healing, keeping the stagger bar up, and putting up buffs and debuffs. But if you have a com/rav/rav as you're main way to stagger people then you're wasting time. Thats why my party is Light/Vannile/Hope because they can do tri-disaster.
You can go "OH BUT TO BEAT THE HUNTS YOU NEED BLAH BLAH BLAH OR DOOM" and while yes those side-quests may need the system, the main game itself only wants those two. SAB/whatever the buff class is on the converse aren't really needed. Neither is Sentinel unless you need the damage buff.I did'nt say anything about hunts. The main game is fun enough. You say sab is useless, it isn't. It's a useful tool to keep stagger but actually impact something more effective. It also is what makes that Vannile and Szah part great because you don't have com and so stagger is harder, but ounce you start using sab it makes most enemies in that part go down really fast, like those shelled monsters. You can now easily stagger them. Sab is quite useful when you've switched the party to defending and buffing. It's great for Vannile because she has no com skill.
And since FFXIII did that stupid "PARADIGM SHIFT! PARADIGM SHIFT! PARADIGM SHIFT!" *animations* to where you couldn't get that buff instantly (thank god FFXIII-2 fixed that), what is the point of going Sentinel?Sentinel has no point other then taking damage for specific enemies that have charge attacks. But then again, this is FF. Whats the point of whatever Wakka was in X? Whats the point of the LP when I get everything easily in XII and characters have no affinities? These games always have flaws in thier systems. XIII is hardly the only one guilty.
No, it really isn't. And Paradigms are awful because there's no point to switching to them when you can get 5 stars easily just using COM/RAV/RAV RAV/COM/MED. Here's how I got five-stars in 13: Dive-bombing my HP to dangerously low levels (700HP or so) and then using Medic to raise those quickly if needed then switching back to RAV/COM/RAV while smashing X/Auto-battle.Sounds like a boring way to play the game when theres a much faster way to play it. You chose to do that, thats you're fault. I belive when I said XII sucked because characters are awful I was told to just limit how I spent the LP. I'm not sure why i can't say that.
"BUT THEN YOU'RE PLAYING IT WRONG!"As far as I'm concerned you are.
Then, why am I getting five-stars if I'm playing it so wrong? The game WANTED that. If it didn't, it wouldn't reward me for going dive-bombing as quickly as possible to beat the battles.The ranking system in XIII makes no sense and is pointless.
So, Paradigm System: Pointless. You only need TWO Paradigms at most.Not in my experience. I rather play the game in a fun way.
Well I'm just going to disagree. The game is fun from Breasha lake onward. More fun then any other FF to play. Can't help that it's linear, not like I care if a jrpg is linear.Having two characters in XIII is very fun. The game is completely fun the entire way through.
If the FF dark period is where you have games that are extremely fun to play at the expense of crappy story execution then fine. Sounds better then other periods.
Lol ffxiii is not fun until pulse and even that is just merely okay and pales to xii's mark quests.
Going through tunnels and five starring battles by hitting auto is not fun.
But if you use that logic then allow me to say FFXII is terrible because you don't need to do anything, but set gambits to auto attack and then let the game play itself.
The rest of the battle system is balancing healing, keeping the stagger bar up, and putting up buffs and debuffs. But if you have a com/rav/rav as you're main way to stagger people then you're wasting time. Thats why my party is Light/Vannile/Hope because they can do tri-disaster.
though 12 isn't very fun either, so they've got that much in common.
i have no earthly idea how a game that is literally half-finished could be considered well-made, even if you're positive on it
Rah: If the ranking system is so pointless, then why did FFXIII-2 want you to five star it to get better items? (Conversely, FFXIII wanted you to suck ass/one-star to get better items. :lol)Because it tired to improve it and do something with it?
You keep saying shifting is the "fun" for the system, but if that's the case: Shifting is still pointless when there's only two paradigms you need to set-up to beat the "main" game.Because I never played the game that way. You say that you can do that. I have no idea if thats true, because I never have tried to play the game that way. I don't see how thats all you need for battles, but if that is what it is then fine. I'm sorry you did'nt have fun.
Sure, and I wouldn't discount it. The game can be beaten with auto-attack in FFXII just like FFXIII. However the game (XII) also needs you to heal/micro-manage your health if you get low/KO'd.You can just set-up gambits to heal at 40% and have characters attack leader targets who attacks the closest enemy. You can do that and beat the main game of XII.
Buffs/debuffs ARE NOT NEEDED. Sure, you can use Haste if you want to have a faster ATB charge, and maybe kill slightly quicker, but you can get five-stars pretty easy even without those.I'm not sure how this is true since the only way to beat Behemoths and those flying enemies the first time you're on Gran Pulse is to use buffs and debuffs on them. Just using medic and then attacking will get you killed and those are just regular enemies on gran pulse. We're not talking about boss battles where again I'm not sure how you can ignore buffs and just stay in 2 paradigms, but apparently you did so......I guess good for you.
Heal when your HP gets low/dive-bomb. How are you disagreeing with me when you're basically saying what I'm saying? You're only disagreeing in the case of using buffs/debuffs, but frankly: Those are pointless and not needed. Whereas in XII they actually kinda had a point but were given pretty late that it was pretty pointless by then.But I'm not agreeing with you at all. You seem to think only 2 paradigms are needed. I don't.
What the fuck is this about fun? This is irrefutable fact. Final Fantasy is decline. Yuichi Wada said as much in 2011 when he said the Final Fantasy brand has been damaged greatly.I never said the series wasn't in decline. Japanese gaming is in decline and quite frankly is terrible. I don't really care. People not liking games dosen't keep me from enjoying XIII's series. Did it need two sequels? No. They should have moved on and made something else. But they didn't and it's not like the games are bad. They just aren't great or game changing which hardly anything from Japan this gen has been. MGS, RE, DMC, whatever. They've all been good/ok at best. Nothing great. Still enjoy RE5 and DMC4 though. Still going to enjoy XIII despite it not being a great entry.
Whether or not FF can reclaim its glory days has yet to be seen, but it's highly doubtful given that Square Enix have alienated and kicked out just about every piece of talent the company ever had, and unlike Nintendo for instance, the company work culture does not foster an environment that emphasizes on quality, passing the torch, and having at least a modicum of a goal towards what they want to do. At least, since they demoted Gooch.None of these companies are going to reclaim anything. Deal with it or don't. You don't like the current direction? Well it's not going to change.
You can live in your ostrich hole if you want. I have moved on. I moved on over ten years ago with SMT and Suikoden and I'm in the same spot with SMT and Dragon Quest.Have you? Then why are you here talking and complaining about a serious you don't like anymore? You're not going to play Lightning Returns, whats the point of talking about how dead FF is when you don't care to play it's latest installments. You say I'm ignoring the obvious? Of what? Am I supposed to think like you and not like FF, because I don't. I still like these games. I'm sorry you don't. Stop crying about it and play Bravely Default or something. As far as I'm concerned they still put out good games and I honestly don't care if you think I'm stupid because of that. I get more FF games so all is good. Not a dark period for me. The games are still fun and thats quite honestly all I care about. Corporate management means nothing until I think the games suck and I don't.
In no world is Final Fantasy XIII a great game. It's not even a good game.I wouldn't say great. I would say good because it is.
Have your "fun" or whatever the fuck and tunnelsI will. Have fun complaining about a series you supposedly don't care about.
Can't wait for Nomura to leave the company after KH3 is done and for SE to burn in flames.Nomura dosen't even make good games, so I'm not sure how him leaving is supposed to be a big loss other then they won't have hi bankable character work anymore. Hey maybe that would actually force them to get someone new, which seems like a good thing to me.
ehn, trying to show you rahx's point of view, guess i could try to turn the lasers onto ff8 instead to achieve that, but looking at past interactions, it's probably not worth the effort
i do know one thing, though. at this point, the ff fanbase is so splintered that it's almost worthless to try to point to where the decline started from a quality point of view. if you ask me, the series has been on a downward slide from disc 2 of ff7.
i've decided to stop trying to defend rahx since he's being a casual racist again, but look up almost any ff8-related thread in the past to find my grievances
in short i think the only thing it did right was the cg cutscenes
How is he being a casual racist? I didn't read that entire post because FISKING.
I never said the series wasn't in decline. Japanese gaming is in decline and quite frankly is terrible. I don't really care.
10-2 does not have the same mistakes as 13 nor 10.
I tend to agree with Oscar. I think that FF as a series, and jrpgs as a genre, didn't make the jump to 3d very well. The quality of the gameplay suffers greatly in my opinion. You have a lot of people wearing nostalgia blinders when it comes to FF VII and VIII because: 1) those were their first FF games; 2) the shiny cutscenes distracted them from the deficiencies in the gameplay; and 3) gamers in general are horrible people that should all be fed to crocodiles.
I have an irrational love for the Phantasy Star series for the same reason as 1) above, but let's be real: it's hard to make the argument with a straight face that 3d gaming has been good for the jrpg, unless you're some sort of cutscene loving fucktard. And I know some of you are, so whatever. Just be upfront about it.
I tend to agree with Oscar. I think that FF as a series, and jrpgs as a genre, didn't make the jump to 3d very well. The quality of the gameplay suffers greatly in my opinion. You have a lot of people wearing nostalgia blinders when it comes to FF VII and VIII because: 1) those were their first FF games; 2) the shiny cutscenes distracted them from the deficiencies in the gameplay; and 3) gamers in general are horrible people that should all be fed to crocodiles.I was going to ask why polygonal graphics were bad for a mostly turn based genre, but then you mentioned story and now I'm inclined to agree. The increased focus on overwrought plots and cutscenes was probably directly related to the greater fidelity they allowed. That and disc media. FFXIII itself is the pinnacle of self-serious, baroque, impossibly contrived nonsense and it's filled with nothing but stupid characters. The writers lost all contact with reality on that one.
I have an irrational love for the Phantasy Star series for the same reason as 1) above, but let's be real: it's hard to make the argument with a straight face that 3d gaming has been good for the jrpg, unless you're some sort of cutscene loving fucktard. And I know some of you are, so whatever. Just be upfront about it.
Buying this todayTo support the devs, huh? :hitler
Will probably beat it in summer...next year.
This isn't an indie game.Buying this todayTo support the devs, huh? :hitler
Will probably beat it in summer...next year.
This isn't an indie game.So buy it from the bargain bin when you actually have the time. :larry
For completion sake, I say buy it but wait a bit if price is a factor.
I just want to see how this all ends.
They should have done another 13-2. One character with endless timed fetch quests is just...lazy.
Game gets a bit better once you beat some sidequests along with the first main quest in Luxerion.
I'm trying to finish the main quests with some sidequests here and there because I don't find them fun at all with the dumb time restrictions.
I rather liked this, only because it was like, wow, I wasted all these years on these games. I'm fucking stupid.
Bahahaha Demi called Ton pro. Gonna have to tell him this.
not enuff young girls
This game is fucking awesome and the battle system is probably the best one yet. Took them awhile to dethrone FFX-2.
So instead of getting good X amount of hours in the game gets good in X amount of playthroughs? :bow Square :bow2
Got 1000 last night - beating Borys to the goal, as usual. Maybe he should stop making useless babies.
Fuck you too. I am getting there for sure. Game rox.(p.s. if you play Easy mode you're bitch-made)
Normal mode here 8)