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Title: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 13, 2014, 11:25:20 PM
Comes out TUESDAY [3/18]

PS3 & Vita - $40

PS3 - Includes both games on disc

Vita - Includes FFX2 download code

Both versions are international, never released in US.

What's in International versions?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X#Final_Fantasy_X:_International

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2#Final_Fantasy_X-2:_International_.2B_Last_Mission

Awkward unboxing of Collector/Limited Editions. Shows off cool FFX apparel that you will only find on eBay if you are lucky as fuck.

http://youtu.be/yLqDh-Ga_Io
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 13, 2014, 11:26:03 PM
:bow :bow
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 13, 2014, 11:55:00 PM
Got it pre-orderd. Probably won't play X-2, but the intro will be the first thing I watch.

#notbeingconsolejrpgstarved
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 14, 2014, 12:18:59 AM
Got it pre-orderd. Probably won't play X-2, but the intro will be the first thing I watch.

#notbeingconsolejrpgstarved

 :comeon
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 14, 2014, 12:34:47 AM
Never cared for X-2 back in the day. Don't think I ever even finished it. Getting this just for X.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 14, 2014, 01:00:19 AM
Teen years? I was 20 when FFX came out...

Fuuuu...
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 14, 2014, 01:08:12 AM
Teen years my ass. Most of this forum is old as fuck.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 14, 2014, 01:20:21 AM
I can't hear you over that midlife crisis you're having, sorry.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2014, 01:24:13 AM
WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU

WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU

WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU

I CAN HEAR YOU
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 14, 2014, 01:26:55 AM
kinda weird to think that games now aged well over a decade can still count as releases worth getting excited about.  In 2025 will I have Bioshock: VR DEFINITVE Edition to get hype for?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2014, 01:27:43 AM
No because Bioshock is dog shit.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 14, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
actually, fuck that.

I want the power of future gaming platforms to grant me current Earth Defense Force (barring that Disaster Report/Raw Danger) games with a non-janky framerate.
yes, I do expect to have to wait about ten years or so for that to happen.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 14, 2014, 01:30:05 AM
kinda weird to think that games now aged well over a decade can still count as releases worth getting excited about.  In 2025 will I have Bioshock: VR DEFINITVE Edition to get hype for?
Maybe not Bioshock, but re-releases and upgraded editions of good games would be cool.

Or I guess they could just release them on PC at the beginning.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2014, 01:30:13 AM
No because Bioshock is dog shit.

i dunno, nostalgia can make all kinds of clunkers shine brightly

these two games, for example

I critique FFX every time the subject comes up. Low-tier FF.

X-2 though? (http://i.imgur.com/O2GzBt1.gif)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2014, 01:30:45 AM
urgh kumi koda

(http://i.imgur.com/O2GzBt1.gif)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 14, 2014, 01:43:34 AM
If it were a 1:1 release like Symphonia, I wouldnt care much aside from trophies. But these are the International versions. It might as well be a whole new game, to me.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: a slime appears on March 14, 2014, 07:53:06 PM
I never played X-2 'cause clearly it was made for WOMEN.

But hell yeah I'll play X. I stopped like a quarter of the way through the first time since it was so boring and all cut scenes. Little that I know that it was a sign of things to come.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Got my preorder on the Vita version.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 14, 2014, 08:18:28 PM
If it were a 1:1 release like Symphonia, I wouldnt care much aside from trophies. But these are the International versions. It might as well be a whole new game, to me.

i wouldn't go gaga over the international version of X, there is an alternate sphere board that shuffles power's a little for the people like himu that are like "WAAAAHHHH CHARACTER PROGRESSION IS TOO LINEAR! (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sadbron.png)" and then a series of bosses called the dark aeons which are just recolors of the summon and also require pretty much that you max all of your stat

after defeating them all you unlock a boss called penance who's such a big jerk,even with maxed stat he's still hard as fuck,he comes with arms that have 600,000 hp each and if you don't destroy the arm fast enough he just instantly nuke the whole party and in the meanwhile he slaps the shit out of you for like a truckload of damage + every negative status effect

X-2 comes with more stuff including some sort of roguelike minigame... but then you'd be playing X-2 at which point you've already lost
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2014, 08:37:34 PM
can't wait to play international content of the better X game, X-2.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 14, 2014, 09:57:44 PM
If it were a 1:1 release like Symphonia, I wouldnt care much aside from trophies. But these are the International versions. It might as well be a whole new game, to me.
Yeah it should be cool to play through X with the changes, though I don't think I'll change the way I play that much.

I just wish there was an option to play without the HD versions music changes. Either way I'm pretty excited to play the best FF. It's hitting around my spring break and I'm going to put down Braverly Defualt.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2014, 10:18:09 PM
If it were a 1:1 release like Symphonia, I wouldnt care much aside from trophies. But these are the International versions. It might as well be a whole new game, to me.

i wouldn't go gaga over the international version of X, there is an alternate sphere board that shuffles power's a little for the people like himu that are like "WAAAAHHHH CHARACTER PROGRESSION IS TOO LINEAR! (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sadbron.png)" and then a series of bosses called the dark aeons which are just recolors of the summon and also require pretty much that you max all of your stat

after defeating them all you unlock a boss called penance who's such a big jerk,even with maxed stat he's still hard as fuck,he comes with arms that have 600,000 hp each and if you don't destroy the arm fast enough he just instantly nuke the whole party and in the meanwhile he slaps the shit out of you for like a truckload of damage + every negative status effect

X-2 comes with more stuff including some sort of roguelike minigame... but then you'd be playing X-2 at which point you've already lost

Jesus christ magus  ::)

X-2 is fucking awesome.  Best gameplay in an FF.  Also Last Mission is not some mini-game it's like a 20 hour rogue rpg with as much content as any of your little Shiren games.  It's also a better FF fanservice-y rogue-like than the Chocobo Mysterious Dungeon games.  And it has a story and the job system carries over.  X-2 international is awesome.

X international always did seem like minor additions.  X-2 international is more like the KH international releases with a lot of new content.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
better game gets the better content, who woulda thunk it
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 14, 2014, 10:35:11 PM
If it were a 1:1 release like Symphonia, I wouldnt care much aside from trophies. But these are the International versions. It might as well be a whole new game, to me.
Yeah it should be cool to play through X with the changes, though I don't think I'll change the way I play that much.

I just wish there was an option to play without the HD versions music changes. Either way I'm pretty excited to play the best FF. It's hitting around my spring break and I'm going to put down Braverly Defualt.
Actually scratch that. Outside of maybe some huge misses like Wandering Flame, the remix soundtrack isn't that bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjDvosAj6ow
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2014, 10:38:08 PM
The thing about the remixed soundtrack is that, it sounds really bad without context. But when you watch game footage it's totally fine.

but yes, they fucked up the best song in the game - Wandering Flame.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 15, 2014, 02:18:58 AM
I find the rearranged soundtrack OK overall but disappointing, especially since FFX's sound/performance/arrangement quality was always somewhat lacking to begin with (especially Uematsu's tracks), so there should be some room for improvement. But with a few exceptions like Tidus' Theme (which is night and day from the original), they didn't really address the actual weak parts of the soundtrack while muddling some of the tasty parts.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 15, 2014, 02:39:43 AM
I never played X-2 'cause clearly it was made for WOMEN.

But hell yeah I'll play X. I stopped like a quarter of the way through the first time since it was so boring and all cut scenes. Little that I know that it was a sign of things to come.
Come on, have you seen Rikku's X-2 design? Service city. :rejoice
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: StealthFan on March 15, 2014, 02:50:00 AM
X-2 :holeup I don't know if I can ignore how mango that shit is for the gameplay.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 15, 2014, 02:51:19 AM
I never played X-2 'cause clearly it was made for WOMEN.

But hell yeah I'll play X. I stopped like a quarter of the way through the first time since it was so boring and all cut scenes. Little that I know that it was a sign of things to come.
Come on, have you seen Rikku's X-2 design? Service city. :rejoice
Yep

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(http://darkifrit59.free.fr/images/ffx2_page_007.jpg)
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Also Yuna

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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llk5quiWAR1qk2cooo1_1280.jpg)
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Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 15, 2014, 03:08:51 AM
FFX2 just looks too wrong to play.

No matter how good it might be.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 15, 2014, 07:20:17 AM
I dunno B Id be embarassed to play that with my fiancee in the same room.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 15, 2014, 07:56:13 AM
I did, 4 months till th wedding ;)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 15, 2014, 08:11:19 AM
X-2 is fucking awesome.  Best gameplay in an FF.

nah it's the usual job system,you've seen in a bajillion of other job system rpg paired within a somewhat easy game...

and really there is no excuse for all the useless and annoying shit you do in it,like the minigame where you have to pair monkey's with each other!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8r6P-2Pas8

and this one where you have to find cactuar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4PLa9GTHPI

i think there is a part where an old man ramble for like 5 minutes straight, you can skip it but if you do you can't get 100% and this minigame too....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoWWCtACy-w

never again :snoop
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 15, 2014, 08:26:15 AM
FFX2 just looks too wrong to play.

No matter how good it might be.

I don't even think it's unabashedly good.  FFX-2 is a very divisive game, and it's not just the uh... girl power aspect that turns people off.  It's also a ridiculous guide-dang-it game where if you aren't following a guide from start to finish, you'll never see the best ending all because of one stupid thing you forgot in a ten second window at some point.  The story is awful, the characters are annoying, the maps are mostly recycled from FFX, and although the battles are pretty cool, I still find the job system in the game worse than FF5's take on it.

To enjoy FFX-2, you pretty much have to like (or tolerate) the following:

- Job systems
- More side questing than main questing
- Stuff you can permanently miss
- Sailor Moon transformation sequences
- Camp so campy even Paul Lynde would pause before starring in it
- Pre-moe definition of weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaabooooo shit a-plenty

It was pretty much a game designed for Himuro.

Side quests with a bad story, why bother?

This confirms all my worries about the game.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 15, 2014, 09:42:47 AM
complain about lack of masculinity in a final fantasy game dudes
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 15, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
i mean i could argue that i view some of those as a positive while also listing my own complaints with the game but clearly that would be boring. also picking apart a game on a special fellow level is something lots of people here complain about so fuck it
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 12:03:22 PM
I feel like I should probably give X-2 another chance. I dunno though dudes, there's a lot I just don't like about it, pretty much all aesthetics. The structure of the game really appeals to me, but ehhhhh. It's like wrapping something delicious in shit.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 12:08:05 PM
ユリパ

X-2 is a masterpiece of software.

The intro has fucking gay dancers in the background and it's still the most hilarious game intro I've seen to this day. I need to watch it high some time.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 12:23:43 PM
FFX2 just looks too wrong to play.

No matter how good it might be.

I don't even think it's unabashedly good.  FFX-2 is a very divisive game, and it's not just the uh... girl power aspect that turns people off.  It's also a ridiculous guide-dang-it game where if you aren't following a guide from start to finish, you'll never see the best ending all because of one stupid thing you forgot in a ten second window at some point.  The story is awful, the characters are annoying, the maps are mostly recycled from FFX, and although the battles are pretty cool, I still find the job system in the game worse than FF5's take on it.

To enjoy FFX-2, you pretty much have to like (or tolerate) the following:

- Job systems
- More side questing than main questing
- Stuff you can permanently miss
- Sailor Moon transformation sequences
- Camp so campy even Paul Lynde would pause before starring in it
- Pre-moe definition of weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaabooooo shit a-plenty

It was pretty much a game designed for Himuro.

Eh. Some inaccuracies and lack of info in this post.

"best ending" isn't true. The best ending is the bad neutral ending. You're trying to get the "perfect" ending, but it's definitely the worst ending. Just youtube it and avoid trying to get endings and just enjoy it. I also never used a guide for X-2. I have the guide for it, but never used it. The games is made for replaying, so the missing stuff isn't too much of a big deal, and replays are much faster.

The maps are recycled from FFX, but you see a whole new spin on it. You get to go to Bevelle and Kilika! Also there's a shit ton of new areas. Like, for instance, you go to old areas, but you see new areas of them you never did in FFX. Mount Gagazet, for instance, is NOT the same Mount Gagazet in FFX. At Mushroom Rock, due to the jump ability, there's an entire dungeon that was completely hidden in  X that you go to. About every area has something like this and X-2 is a true sequel in this regard. The desert, and all those areas not expounded upon in X are fully fleshed out. More than that, while the areas are reused, you get to see them in any order because of the games non-linear format and structure, and each new chapter brings new things to each new area.

The story isn't actually as bad as people say it is. If you're a fan of FFX's world, X-2 has a lot to offer. It essentially is a take on how nobody tells the story of what happens when you DO save the world: Spira is split into multiple factions (which you get to join, so again, replayability), people are shitting on Yuna's personal journey and her own memories of Tidus for profit, everyone wants something and they have some points. I find it a pretty interesting take on a type of story that is rarely told, especially in games. More than that, I love to see Yuna's new found freedom and urge to express herself. Being religiously repressed for so long, with the intent to sacrifice herself for Spira, meant she couldn't enjoy a full life. It's fun seeing her trying to mimic Rikku, and try to see the world in a whole new way. I find the game to be a perfect companion piece to X. Of course, this requires that you ACTUALLY ENJOY X'S STORY AND WORLD TO BEGIN WITH.

The characters are hilarious. I don't care what anyone says. The character interaction is even better. It's nice and campy and you'll get a laugh out of it if you don't take it too seriously.

FFX-2's take on the job system is utterly addictive. You pick a job and you see  WHOLE LIST OF ABILITIES that you DO NOT have. :maf :maf How dare they? :maf So you want to get them all! :rejoice And it's fun filling those bars up. It's not as balanced as V, or even III (which isn't well balanced). But it's fun as hell and  involving due the sheer amount of skills and abilities and ways to customize your party.

What can I do for youuuuuu?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 15, 2014, 12:37:24 PM
himu doing the lord's work :bow2
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 12:44:33 PM
So, basically

Quote
It was pretty much a game designed for Himuro.

this
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 15, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
Quote
The characters are hilarious. I don't care what anyone says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMbwEAPc2aU
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
So, basically

Quote
It was pretty much a game designed for Himuro.

this

(http://i.imgur.com/e9cbgJW.jpg)

FF5/8/12/X-2 Don't knock the hustle. 8)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
Having this BEAUTIFUL piece of music remastered in HD on my tv.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sVvxJG1Ydc

:tocry

I never imagined such bliss.

XII HD next. Please.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 01:21:14 PM
I like what X-2 is trying to do from a mechanical/gameplay standpoint for the most part, but you do realize that not everyone is as big a fan of over the top cornball cheese as you are, right? That that could, in fact, be a turn off for someone who would otherwise like the game, right?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
Not disputing that AT ALL. I never said cornball cheese for everybody. i just love bathing in the tears of those pro-masculinity fucks who were too embarrassed to play X-2 :rejoice Or the people who said Yuna was now a slut for wearing loose clothing in a game environment where everyone walks around half-naked whether they're male or female :rejoice

They know who they are.

:mouf TEAR SHOWER  :mouf
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 15, 2014, 01:51:40 PM
What's the download size for FFX2?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 15, 2014, 01:59:51 PM
Both games combined are 7GB
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 15, 2014, 03:52:54 PM
If it were a 1:1 release like Symphonia, I wouldnt care much aside from trophies. But these are the International versions. It might as well be a whole new game, to me.

I remember that the euro release was actually the international version of FFX. So sadly I already played it. Any new content or is it just a graphics upgrade?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
X is just International, which we didn't get in the US or Canada. X-2 is International which never came out of Japan.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2014, 05:20:54 PM
I just want to add in that everything I said about X-2 was going by a ten+ year old memory of when I played the game.
I was also REALLY positive about a lot of games back then.  So uh, I may be wrong on X-2!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 05:24:26 PM
How do you go from "best gameplay in an FF" to "maybe I was wrong!"?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 05:32:58 PM
How do you go from "best gameplay in an FF" to "maybe I was wrong!"?

The Bebpo Effect
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 15, 2014, 05:54:51 PM
Avoiding an LGBT joke
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 15, 2014, 06:06:44 PM
I just want to add in that everything I said about X-2 was going by a ten+ year old memory of when I played the game.
I was also REALLY positive about a lot of games back then.  So uh, I may be wrong on X-2!

X-2 is all about the gameplay.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2014, 07:10:44 PM
How do you go from "best gameplay in an FF" to "maybe I was wrong!"?

Just early damage control after realizing my ten year old embellished memories might not still hold up. 

and all the posts in this thread!


fwiw, I bet the game is still really solid, just maybe not amazing these days.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 07:14:54 PM
You took me the wrong way. I didn't say liking X's story means you WILL like X-2's. I'm just saying that liking X CAN enhance your enjoyment of X-2. It does for me, at least.

I'm not suggesting the game to Lager, in any case. I'm just making a rebuttal to your post, which I found slightly inaccurate in some ways.

There's legitimate criticisms to be fired at towards FFX-2. But unfortunately, most of those legitimate ones are lost in the noise of the people who have very odd issues with X-2. There are three main culprits:

- people who say that Yuna and Rikku are now sluts. This misogyny and slut shaming didn't make sense to me when it was revealed in 2002, and it doesn't make sense to me now.

- the people that can't stand FFX-2 due to its lighthearted nature. Not so much by the fact that they don't like the cheesy jokes, but that it doesn't take itself seriously and isn't an arthouse game that apparently the series deserves. I saw this complaint a lot.

- That it's too girly and too embarrassing to play, and for that reason it's not worth playing ever.

Thankfully, the Bore doesn't have any of these people in this category.

I have no problem with people not liking X-2, but a lot of dissent that has been thrown at it has been mixed in with a lot of stuff that makes gamers look bad.

To be honest, I'm a massive X-2 fan, and even I can admit that X-2 ruined FF in the sense that it ruined something sacred. Before X-2 there were no FF sequels and the fanbase was proud of this and wore it on its chest. I think X-2 is a fantastic game, and it's in my special group of best Final Fantasy titles, but it really did kill the mystique of the franchise.

As for X's story. I really love that games story, world, and characters. I'm a sucker for it. I'm pretty sure I'd buy X-3 if the gameplay were good.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 07:16:47 PM
How do you go from "best gameplay in an FF" to "maybe I was wrong!"?

Just early damage control after realizing my ten year old embellished memories might not still hold up. 

and all the posts in this thread!


fwiw, I bet the game is still really solid, just maybe not amazing these days.

People who don't like X-2 have always existed since before the game came out and all of the complaints people are saying have always existed. If you think FFX-2 has some of the best gameplay in the series (it does, which many in this thread agree upon), then there's no reason for damage control. Have confidence in your opinions.

And I think it's still amazing. It has the best rendition of ATB to this day; ATB perfected.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 07:38:15 PM
- That it's too girly and too embarrassing to play, and for that reason it's not worth playing ever.

...says the person who pitched a fit when SP wouldn't let her make a female character

 :dayum
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 15, 2014, 07:50:47 PM
Himu, I don't even think liking FFX's story and world necessarily means you'll like FFX-2's story.  It can easily go like it did in my case.  I really enjoyed the story in X, but hated the story in X-2 because of the jarring change in character of the returning cast. 

I'm really confident it's not a good recommendation for lager, in any case.
Yes this is me and I just did'nt like the battle system.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 07:50:57 PM
- That it's too girly and too embarrassing to play, and for that reason it's not worth playing ever.

...says the person who pitched a fit when SP wouldn't let her make a female character

 :dayum

That's a pretty bad comparison you realize. I read you could in numerous previews. It was an advertised feature from what I read. Also, I was not annoyed you had to play as a boy, I was annoyed you couldn't make a girl despite the customization being there. When a game has customization, to me, all bets are off. Compared to a game that has no customization whatsoever like X-2. More over, I'm still going to get South Park. And finally, most games force you to be dudes anyways.

Compared to "I can't play FFX-2 because it's too girly" or whatever nonsense I've been exposed to for 11+ years.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: The Sceneman on March 15, 2014, 07:57:12 PM


http://youtu.be/yLqDh-Ga_Io

dayum that babe (http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/mad_chump/Photo-on-12-03-14-at-517-PM-3_zpsa22ee192.png)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 15, 2014, 08:10:09 PM
Compared to "I can't play FFX-2 because it's too girly" or whatever nonsense I've been exposed to for 11+ years.

No time for uguu shit.

I will play an Atelier game when I'm dead.

:beli :snoop
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
:yeshrug

Go play your uguu games.

X-2 is not uguu.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 15, 2014, 10:47:30 PM
Yuna being all super bubbly did not make sense to me due to her past characterization in X-1 (lul) along with the main plot/point of her adventure in X-2. Also Lulu >>>>Paine-Sol. Still had fun anyway. :yeshrug
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 15, 2014, 11:06:24 PM
WTF is uguu?

How is X-2 not uguu when Lightning Returns is?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: doctavius bonbon on March 15, 2014, 11:14:50 PM
Now I can play the massage mini-game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoWWCtACy-w) in high definition. :jawalrus
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 11:19:40 PM
I am laughing already, dude.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2014, 11:38:35 PM
WTF is uguu?

How is X-2 not uguu when Lightning Returns is?

X-2 was pre-moe. Uguu essentially means moe, mostly due to the source of uguu, the anime Kanon.

See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT2GRpwwS8M

XIII is full of moe characters, most particularly Vanille. X-2 is definitely weeabootastic. But it's not moe.

Meanwhile:

4:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14tPjDYUrUc

That's FF13LR's opening. FFX-2's opening has gay background dancers.

Toriyama even backs this up.

Quote
According to the instructions from Toriyama-san, we wanted to show both Lightning’s “moe” side and her “burning” side. There’s a scene when Lightning is undercover is Yusnan and she’s shy when she walks up on stage, and this is “moe.”

There’s also a scene when she waits for the Chocobo to recover. I like it a whole lot personally. In this scene she’s leaning casually on a fence. Normally you’d see the old Lightning always dashing or jumping, and she always had a reason for every action. Therefore I like it personally, because such a casual gesture was something rare for her. Since this kind of charming gestures are scattered here and there (in the game), please enjoy them.

X-2 is about making the main trio of ladies as cool and sensual as possible. It's girl power as fuck. LR is about making Lightning as vulnerable and cute as possible. It's trying to market Lightning as a gaming sex icon (or at least, Toriyama's sex icon). Hence, uguu.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 16, 2014, 12:40:18 AM
I must admit, leaning casually on a fence is super uguu
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2014, 02:27:45 AM
:bow pop gaf :bow2
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 16, 2014, 04:57:12 AM
Lightning isn't sexy, she's femme-cloud. :P
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 16, 2014, 06:28:49 AM
X-2 isn't uguu or moe.  It's Pop-GAF.  It's To Wong Foo.

Some of us preferred The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert

:tocry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 16, 2014, 07:10:06 AM
X-2 isn't uguu or moe.  It's Pop-GAF.  It's To Wong Foo.

it's still pretty hypocritical to say "people that don't play this game i like for a spergy reason are dumb, but i won't go near this game for a spergy reason" in fact i don't have enough :comeon to express it

:comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon  :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon

nope still not enough...
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 16, 2014, 07:43:28 AM
For trying to make Lightning cute and moe, they sure did a poor job at it. Since she's still basically the same "emotionless" and distant tough chick she's been. Except now you can dress her up and they upped the sex appeal.

This is different then X-2 how? The game where they upped the sex appeal of the characters and also allowed you to watch as they changed into outfits and maybe did a dry hump as they did it.

I guess one difference is that the tone of the two games is different, Lightning Returns is far more serious. Doesn't change the fact that both kind of do the same thing, both make objects out of the female characters. Both also attempt to empower them.


I like how X-2 is pre-moe, except for the fact that moe has been around for quite awhile and Kanon actually pre-dates FFX-2.

This just seems like lame "I want to validate the one I like and not the other".

I think all this talk of ill defined uguu and moe is dumb and so I'm just going to classify moe as "cute little girls designed to make you feel warmth and an urge to protect them". That seems to me what all this moe stuff is about, having cute characters who you feel thier innocence and cutness. Since I don't think thats the attempt with either Lightning Returns and FFX-2-since the female characters have thier own urgency and whatnot- I don't think either are moe or uguu.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 16, 2014, 03:09:47 PM
Wait, Magus is opposed to this game? These girls too old for you? :teehee :holeup
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
hahahahahhaha :sabu good one buddy
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 16, 2014, 03:18:32 PM
Wait, Magus is opposed to this game? These girls too old for you? :teehee :holeup

:dead
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 16, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
Wait, Magus is opposed to this game? These girls too old for you? :teehee :holeup

i'm pretty sure rikku is like 9 year old or something... at least her dialogue would indicate so! :heh
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 16, 2014, 03:42:31 PM
From what I've seen of LR its aesthetics are mostly 90s x-treme to the x-treme, which is why I wanna play it
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 18, 2014, 05:33:55 PM
Got this. Love this.

Really liking expert grid. International changes to X-2 are also fab.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 18, 2014, 05:51:33 PM
:heartbeat

(http://i.imgur.com/OXGkwIo.jpg)

Game is beautiful as well. Redone bgs are wow. The clarity is amazing. The remastered soundtrack sounds BEAUTIFUL on an hdtv set.

(http://i.imgur.com/1DEDuUV.jpg)

Never seen so much effort put into an hd port. AAA effort and fantastic product.

X-2's International shit is fucking awesome. :bow Rogue like :bow Creatures
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 18, 2014, 07:37:40 PM
Any word on the Vita version? I haven't really played this since release but i did kinda like it
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 18, 2014, 07:38:38 PM
Waiting for UPS to drop off my copy.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 18, 2014, 10:09:23 PM
Is the International version of X-2 okay for a first timer?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 18, 2014, 10:10:43 PM
Should be. So far it is the same thing but with even more content.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 18, 2014, 10:21:47 PM
All the X-2 content is after the game, afaik. If youve never played it, it should be largely the same.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 18, 2014, 11:14:59 PM
It isn't. I've already gotten a new dress sphere. Creatures are unlocked as soon as you get the airship as well.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 03:17:42 AM
X is same old boring shit.

I love X-2 mannnnnnnnn. :noah having monsters in your party kicks ass.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 04:17:15 AM
Played X-2 all night.

It's senior high school year all over again. :noah
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 19, 2014, 04:31:20 AM
How far is the Shiva fight in FFX? I remember I quit there when I was in college and traded in the PS2 then cause I was so dissapointed.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 04:35:44 AM
Dark Shiva? I dunno. We didn't get the International extras in NA. You should be avoiding all dark aeons until end game anyways. You don't fight Shiva in regular FFX. In FFX Int. Dark Shiva appears when you return to Macalania Temple. She has 1,100,000 hp.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 19, 2014, 07:08:37 AM
I don't think I had the Int version. I bought the PS2+FFX bundle when it came out.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 19, 2014, 07:14:04 AM
shiva fight was like halfway, i think? maybe a little farther than that.

edit: yeah not a fight with shiva, a fight at shiva temple
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 19, 2014, 08:18:13 AM
It was in Europe yes, I def didnt finish the game but I do remember she looked like Shiva alright...
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 10:55:38 AM
Optional fight. You dont fight shiva in regular ffx. Avoid dark aeons.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
Speaking of which everyone grab Valefor's second od before leaving Be said because when you come back when you get the airship, dark valefor will be waiting for you at besaid entrance.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
FFX, even with the expert grid, still has game play that is boring as all fuck. Playing X-2 exclusively for now on.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Huff on March 19, 2014, 07:38:28 PM
just beat the first blitzball match on the first try.

still got it
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
Hmm, all the good word of mouth is making me want to replay FFX and X-2 someday with this remaster.  If I didn't have a backlog of a ton of good rpgs I could rationalize replaying old rpgs a lot more easily! 
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 19, 2014, 08:01:32 PM
I replayed X-2 to 100% it in like 2007 or so. Too bad, wish I'd waited for HD!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2014, 08:26:17 PM
This game looks great.

Speaking of which everyone grab Valefor's second od before leaving Be said because when you come back when you get the airship, dark valefor will be waiting for you at besaid entrance.

how
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 08:30:11 PM
I replayed X-2 to 100% it in like 2007 or so. Too bad, wish I'd waited for HD!

Just replay X-2 but don't 100% or try to 100% it. Still fun as balls. You know you want to do it dude.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 08:31:55 PM
Been trying to go to high rank places too early to increase the difficulty in X-2. I've game covered about four times. Tried Gagazet and Zanarkand. I always start the game out at Luca and Kilika and work my way up because they're so low. I want the game harder this time and it is fitting the bill currently. I need to increase HP and Def. Paine stays alive consistently as a warrior while Yuna and Rikku die too fast. I need to learn SOS abilities on Paine asap.

This game looks great.

Speaking of which everyone grab Valefor's second od before leaving Be said because when you come back when you get the airship, dark valefor will be waiting for you at besaid entrance.

how

On the day you leave to take Yuna to the boat go back to Besaid. Talk to the shopkeeper girl. You won't have to buy shit. Just go to shop menu and exit. Then she'll talk about her dog. Search the town for the dog. Then you got Valefor's second OD that real high dmg.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2014, 10:10:05 PM
Are there any missable Jecht Spheres? I don't want to use a guide but I do have an Al Bhed checklist.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2014, 10:20:39 PM
Jecht spheres? You mean the flashback spheres? I think those are nigh impossible to miss.

Check this out.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fantasy-x/Jecht_Spheres
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 20, 2014, 01:38:55 AM
I don't remember these games ever being this detailed before. I mean, it was there, but maybe it's because I played on sd.

Just beautiful.

(http://i.imgur.com/qiCN94b.jpg?1)

btw Viscen, save at least 2000 gil for O'aka on the ship. You want to give him 10001 gil and you have four chances to do so. Each contribution works towards that total. He gives great discounts if you get do it before then. After the fourth time he won't take donations and you'll be stuck with your prices. This is very useful in the late game. I suggest not buying anything from the shop at Besaid, even weapons and potions.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 20, 2014, 09:08:16 AM
They tweaked the textures and models, etc... its a Remaster
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 20, 2014, 09:09:00 AM
dat looks really fun and cheerful in a 2000 weeaboo way
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2014, 10:55:27 AM
Thanks for the O'aka tip. I have 1200 gil and I am about the board to ship. I guess I should grind around here for more money?

I double dipped also  :-[
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 20, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Mmmm, I wouldn't grind. Just give O'aka the 1000. That leaves 9000 more to give him. In the long run, save your money for O'aka until you give him 10k. I don't mean at once. Just, to be careful with your money. ALso, don't even bother donating unless you are going to give him 10,001 gil exactly or you're wasting your cash. Give him the 1k. The next time he's around give him 3k or so. Sell your old equipment when you get new stuff. FFX is so easy you should be fine with your pickups without buying anything for a while.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
I remember having my levels get stalled out by a lack of ability spheres when I played this the first time. There's a way to add ability sphere drop to a weapon or something, right? When/how do I do that?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 20, 2014, 11:26:13 AM
X International adds the Extract ability...ability. It essentially allows you to extract spheres from monsters in battle. There's also an extract magic ability which does the same for magic spheres. On the expert grid, which I'm using, extract magic is on Lulu's side, and extract ability is on Yuna's side. They're right at the beginning too, right next to Kimahri. THey were the first thing I grabbed with Yuna and Lulu respectively. Not sure about standard grid if you're using that but they're in there. Really cool Intl version fixes that inherent flaw that was in FFX. Places like M'ihen Highroad and Mushroom Rock are especially big in lacking ability spheres.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 20, 2014, 11:35:45 AM
For us FFX International newbies I thought a list of dark aeons would be good:

i) Dark Valefor (DAV)
LOCATION: Entrance to Besaid Village NOT beach. An event will occur where the
Summoner calls Yuna an infidel and sends Dark Valefor charging at you.

ii) Dark Ifrit (DAI)
LOCATION: Bikanel Island. The area before the entrance of Home, where you
started the Cactuar mini-game for Rikku’s Sigil. Talk to the Al Bhed
woman who claims she has lost her child in the ruins of Home, select Yes, then
watch the events that follow. When you walk to the cliff, the Al Bhed woman
will show herself as a Dark Summoner.

iii) Dark Ixion (DAIX)
LOCATION: Thunder Plains. Exit the Agency (where the airship drops you off)
and head north. Continue north and you notice a Bevelle solider resting under
a Lightning tower. Talk to him and he calls you a heathen and watch the events
that follow. You are required to fight Dark Ixion twice.

iv) Dark Shiva (DAS)
LOCATION: Head back to Macalania Temple. Walk to the entrance and the old
Guado will summon Dark Shiva who snaps at you.

v) Dark Bahamut (DAB)
LOCATION: Zanarkand Ruins, at the area where you fought Yunalesca. Dark
Bahamut will self-station himself there.

vi) Dark Yojimbo (DAYO)
LOCATION: Cavern of the Stolen Fayth, go to the back of the cavern using
either the teleport pad or walking there, then head back to the direction of
the Save Sphere and watch the events that follow. You are required to fight
Dark Yojimbo FIVE times.

vii) Dark Anima (DAA)
LOCATION: Mt.Gagazet. From the point where the airship drops you off, take the
teleport pad to ‘Cave Entrance’. This was the cave where you had
to solve a simple puzzle to form paths leading to the summit. Anyways, head
north downwards (do not take the stairs leading up) and then swim towards
north. Remember the ball-throwing puzzle? Do it again and when you hit the
center, Dark Anima will be pulled out of the ground. Save before fighting.


viii) Dark Magus Sisters (DAMS)
LOCATION FOR ALL 3: Mushroom Rock Road, enter via exit of Mi’ihen
Highroad. Walk in between the 2 summoners who are talking to each other, a
scene will occur. Run to the left at the nearest fork. Take the elevator up
and a cat and mouse chase game will occur. Your objective is to run until
Cindy (the fat one tires out). But if you are good enough, you can make it to
the end of the valley, take the elevator up, after the short scene, BEAT THEM
UP ONE BY ONE! Dark Cindy will be at the same place where she tired out.

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
I just found Extract Ability and Extract Agility on the normal Sphere Grid, very early on. So you don't even need to get into weapon crafting for that problem to be fixed.

It just occurred to me - could I have done the International version with the standard sphere grid instead of expert?


edit - fuck, looks like that's a yes. I would have done that if I had known. Oh well.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 20, 2014, 01:00:00 PM
You're still playing FFX International with standard grid. Standard grid has more nodes so you get a beefier party, but expert allows you to freeform and customize more easily.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 20, 2014, 01:58:10 PM
if anyone has a X-2 Vita code they don't want, lmk
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 20, 2014, 07:34:24 PM
So did they add giggle to Lulu's victory pose? I don't remember it being there and I think I saw it.....


I don't care if this is embarrassing.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 20, 2014, 07:45:03 PM
Kay so here's my X expert grid game plan:

Tidus -> Auron's path, no abilities, unless they're Knight based
Auron -> Tidus path
Kimahri -> Tidus path only learning support skills like haste and hastega, concentrating on stats
Yuna -> Yuna path
Wakka ->  Wakka and Auron path in full, it just makes more sense for Wakka to use stuff like Power Break when he has also status effect shit like Dark Attack.
Rikku -> Rikku path
Lulu -> Lulu path

After going through their paths everyone will go through the whole sphere grid except for ability nodes that aren't the ones listed above. I hate copy pasta characters but I want a beefy party for Penance and Dark Aeons.

Let's go.

Also, so far the game is slightly harder in Kilika than before. I'm getting into yellow almost all the time. This is good.I may be crazy but is FFX Intl better balanced than regular X?

I also saw a cut scene I've NEVER seen before on the ferry to Luca.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Huff on March 20, 2014, 08:38:25 PM
himu whats your psn
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 20, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
himuroids
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 21, 2014, 12:26:43 PM
Blitzball is still the bees knees btw. I ignored it on replays, but it's still as fun as the first time I played in 2001/2002. It's an utter shame the intro to blitz is the unfair Luca game because it's one of the greatest mini games/side quests in a game ever.

Got Shuu and Wedge on my team roster. O'aka has been paid 10,001 gil, and I'm going to backtrack to Luca from Mi'ihen to get recruit another good player in Luca. 8) Can't wait to get home and play.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 21, 2014, 06:22:45 PM
The expert grid continues to be excellent. If you are not watching what you're doing, you can accidentally lose your way onto someone else's section of the grid. So every time you use it, you really need to pay attention and plan ahead. Really fun stuff.

My Blitzball team! I got rid all of the original Aurochs' except Letty. Now I'm stunting on everyone. 5-0? Ain't no thang.

My team is:

Left Field - Tidus (
Right Field - Wedge (17 shoot at lv 1 8))
Midfield - Zev Ronso (12 endurance, 7 pass, 7 block, 7 attack, 11 shoot at lv 1)
Left Defender - Ropp (15 blocks, 11 attack)
Right Defender - Zalitz (15 atk, 11 block at level 1 8))
Keeper - Jumal (14 catch 8))

Easy team you grab early on that shits on everyone.

Still disappointed S-E never made a Blitzball full game. It deserves it because it's awesome. Going around the world, recruiting players to join your team, waiting for players to have free agency so you can pick them up on your team. The competitions, the :bow worthy loot and prizes, just all around fun. The bad thing is that it's just too easy once you get a good team. Imagine playing a sports-rpg game where you travel the world trying to develop the best team. You do quests to get the get best players, there's a storyline too, and rivalries. Ideally, instead of starring just FFX characters, it'd be like Dissidia meets Blitzball, and you'd be able to recreate FF main characters and shit. Gosh, WHYYYYYYYYYY? It's just a natural idea coming off blitzball in FFX.

They could put it on mobile and 3ds and it'd kick ass. Do the same for a Triple Triad game too.

Wouldn't have to cost much, either. But instead they insist on making titles like All The bravest. :snoop
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 01:20:56 AM
I'm starting to get annoyed we never got FFX International before now, because this truly is the ultimate version and full package.

Regular FFX, the main game, as you trek from Besaid to Zanarkand, is boring gameplay-wise. It has the occasional great boss fight, but its mundane repetition and simplicity ruin a potentially fantastic battle system. Expert grid fixes all of this. Initially, it seems same old FFX, but the more you play, the less nodes you get. You'll get three empty nodes in a row, for instance. This stacks up, and for this reason, at this point in the story I'm at - Guadosalam - my party is tremendously weaker than if I were playing vanilla sphere grid. Auron has a mere 1600 hp, and when he's poisoned, he receives a whopping 400 damage per turn. 4 turns or less with that, and he's dead. Sphere levels can also be somewhat less uncommon at this point, too. So your party is stuck with it. The enemy variety is still poor, but the game balance has been fully impacted and it's truly the superior game because of it. I'm losing at places I normally would win at (like fights with Brigandine) simply because my stats aren't up to snuff. Of course, it's not full on hard or anything, but it makes a much more balanced and exciting game experience that was previously absent.

Final Fantasy X has always been a game where the story and characters were far better than the actual gameplay itself. With FFX International, the gameplay is finally almost on par with the story.

Fuck you Squaresoft for never releasing this way back when.

Haven't beaten the game yet, but so far, this thing is pushing FFX out of low-tier FF territory and more into an upper-mid tier game like FFIV.

I can't stop playing it, and I'm actively excited to play it when I'm out. I haven't felt like that about Final Fantasy in...who knows how long. It feels like I'm experiencing the game again for the first time.

Cannot WAIT to get to the Dark Aeons.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rufus on March 22, 2014, 02:55:35 AM
It will get boring before long, expert or regular grid. I got tired of the fights somewhere in the mountains, before the Seymour fight so many people got stuck at.
FF9 and 10 are the games that made me appreciate 12's gambit system so much more. Automate the mundane shit? All in!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 06:17:55 AM
Cannot WAIT to get to the Dark Aeons.

ah-ah you poor thing :heh

let me warn you, the dark aeons aren't the amazing boss fight you think as much as they are the most chorish thing they added, i mean not as bad as dodging 100 lightning,that stupid butterfly minigame or the chocobo race but still pretty chorish

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 22, 2014, 09:44:57 AM
Blitzball is still the bees knees btw. I ignored it on replays, but it's still as fun as the first time I played in 2001/2002. It's an utter shame the intro to blitz is the unfair Luca game because it's one of the greatest mini games/side quests in a game ever.

Got Shuu and Wedge on my team roster. O'aka has been paid 10,001 gil, and I'm going to backtrack to Luca from Mi'ihen to get recruit another good player in Luca. 8) Can't wait to get home and play.

How the hell did you get that much money already?

I got him to 5,001 by giving him everything I had up to right before the Blitz game. Do I only see him one more time? When?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 09:56:10 AM
After Luca, you go to Mi'ihen highroad. Mi'ihen has a shit ton of gil drops. iirc there's a 6000 gil chest. I had 10k in full by the time I hit O'aka on the low road. I also managed to beat the Chocobo Eater.

5000k by then seems pretty good and perfectly normal. Luca has a lack of gil, and I had to give him 1000 gil twice in Luca going to and from the Al Bhed Yuna capture.

Final and last time is on the Mi'ihen Old Road. There's a high road, and there's a low road. He's on the low road near the save point. You'll run into him easily if you lose to Chocobo Eater. If you beat Chocobo Eater, you have to grab a Chocobo and journey to the old road, which is directly south of Mushroom Rock entrance where Dona and Bartello are. Btw, there's an Al Bhed primer on the cliffs of the high road near the entrance to Mi'ihen next to the Yevon nun.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 10:00:39 AM
It will get boring before long, expert or regular grid. I got tired of the fights somewhere in the mountains, before the Seymour fight so many people got stuck at.
FF9 and 10 are the games that made me appreciate 12's gambit system so much more. Automate the mundane shit? All in!

Switching every character in and out every. fucking. battle, breh.

Cannot WAIT to get to the Dark Aeons.

ah-ah you poor thing :heh

let me warn you, the dark aeons aren't the amazing boss fight you think as much as they are the most chorish thing they added, i mean not as bad as dodging 100 lightning,that stupid butterfly minigame or the chocobo race but still pretty chorish

Preparing for the dark aeons is going to be a chore because I'm going to be leveling up my celestial weapons and grinding the monster arena. Yet strangely I'm looking forward to it. Never bothered with the monster arena. Too time consuming on previous runs.

I'm going for a platinum of both X and X-2.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 11:45:36 AM
here's how it works, first of all you capture like 10 of every monster for the monster arena unlocking all of the boss fight from the special arena
then you make a shitload of levels using this trick here

spoiler (click to show/hide)
you make one of your character weak as shit,then you pick a fight with the tonberry king,the tonberry king hits the weak character for like a bajillion of damage and the two other character gets like 50 limit bars all at once... then if you have the skill that turn limit bar into XP that translates into making 50 levels in a row!
[close]

then you enter a fight with each of the arena monster that have a power-up sphere (probably starting from the strenght one) you delete the node from the sphere board that have useless stat+1 with usefull stat+4 node,after an eternity all your character have maxed stat and you can finaly fight the stronger dark aeons

...even after you bother to do all of this,the final secret boss is still a pain in the ass,especialy because all of his attack inflict every bad status effect making the fight impossible without ribbon

best part of maxing your stat is going against the final boss,watching wakka bop him once with his lame little ball and see him crumble in a single turn :lol
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 12:02:43 PM
I'm nor going to replace any nodes.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 22, 2014, 12:12:04 PM
Trying to finish AC4 before playing this... god I hate AC4.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 22, 2014, 12:16:12 PM
After Luca, you go to Mi'ihen highroad. Mi'ihen has a shit ton of gil drops. iirc there's a 6000 gil chest. I had 10k in full by the time I hit O'aka on the low road. I also managed to beat the Chocobo Eater.

5000k by then seems pretty good and perfectly normal. Luca has a lack of gil, and I had to give him 1000 gil twice in Luca going to and from the Al Bhed Yuna capture.

Final and last time is on the Mi'ihen Old Road. There's a high road, and there's a low road. He's on the low road near the save point. You'll run into him easily if you lose to Chocobo Eater. If you beat Chocobo Eater, you have to grab a Chocobo and journey to the old road, which is directly south of Mushroom Rock entrance where Dona and Bartello are. Btw, there's an Al Bhed primer on the cliffs of the high road near the entrance to Mi'ihen next to the Yevon nun.

Thanks dude.

I just finished the tournament so maybe I can bang that out today before I forget.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 12:48:25 PM
I'm nor going to replace any nodes.

well then you are not going to beat any of the dark aeons beside the first few one
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 22, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
X-2 has legitimately good gameplay as far as its battle system goes. Anyone who says otherwise is factually wrong and hates fun. The job system is addictive, it introduced on-the-fly job switching that FF13/X-2/LR would later refine.

HOWEVER, Lightning Returns is basically the most perfected version of X-2's system that S-E could get without just making it an action game like FFXV. And as far as sexualizing Lightning goes -- most of the outfits are actually pretty conservative and, shockingly, are really cool. And the shitty costumes? Just slap a mustache on lightning as well as Sazh's afro and it's fine.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 22, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
I'm starting to get annoyed we never got FFX International before now, because this truly is the ultimate version and full package.

Regular FFX, the main game, as you trek from Besaid to Zanarkand, is boring gameplay-wise. It has the occasional great boss fight, but its mundane repetition and simplicity ruin a potentially fantastic battle system. Expert grid fixes all of this. Initially, it seems same old FFX, but the more you play, the less nodes you get. You'll get three empty nodes in a row, for instance. This stacks up, and for this reason, at this point in the story I'm at - Guadosalam - my party is tremendously weaker than if I were playing vanilla sphere grid. Auron has a mere 1600 hp, and when he's poisoned, he receives a whopping 400 damage per turn. 4 turns or less with that, and he's dead. Sphere levels can also be somewhat less uncommon at this point, too. So your party is stuck with it. The enemy variety is still poor, but the game balance has been fully impacted and it's truly the superior game because of it. I'm losing at places I normally would win at (like fights with Brigandine) simply because my stats aren't up to snuff. Of course, it's not full on hard or anything, but it makes a much more balanced and exciting game experience that was previously absent.

Final Fantasy X has always been a game where the story and characters were far better than the actual gameplay itself. With FFX International, the gameplay is finally almost on par with the story.

Fuck you Squaresoft for never releasing this way back when.

Haven't beaten the game yet, but so far, this thing is pushing FFX out of low-tier FF territory and more into an upper-mid tier game like FFIV.

I can't stop playing it, and I'm actively excited to play it when I'm out. I haven't felt like that about Final Fantasy in...who knows how long. It feels like I'm experiencing the game again for the first time.

Cannot WAIT to get to the Dark Aeons.


funny how we europeans got the international version back in the day.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 02:20:14 PM
Magus, you have a tendancy to go for the most ocd and tedious path to playing games even if it breaks them and makes too easy. I think I'll be fine without replacing nodes.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 22, 2014, 02:25:19 PM
Penance is probably the hardest boss in Final Fantasy history. Have fun Himuro.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 22, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
Pay Yojimbo.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
Penance is probably the hardest boss in Final Fantasy history. Have fun Himuro.

I hear some dark aeons are harder. Also this is a big reason why FF12 is best FF to me. Tough mark bosses - no grindan, just strategy.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 02:47:45 PM
Pay Yojimbo.

I'm paying Yojimbo for dark valefor.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Raban on March 22, 2014, 04:05:19 PM
Trying to finish AC4 before playing this... god I hate AC4.
stream it so we can lose our sanity together
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 22, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
Pay Yojimbo.

I'm paying Yojimbo for dark valefor.
If you get his affinity with you up enough, it doesn't cost very much to get Zanmato. So you could potentially do it for everything.

and as far as Mark bosses go, the strategy doesn't change up very much. Even Yiazmat can be cheesed with ranged weapons and standing on the stairwell.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 04:25:03 PM
Pay Yojimbo.

I'm paying Yojimbo for dark valefor.

> want to kill all of the dark aeons
> use yojimbo for the first one

:neogaf

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to want the Jecht sphere and get Auron ultimate OD asap.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 04:32:17 PM
I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to want the Jecht sphere and get Auron ultimate OD asap.

even penance can be instakilled through yojimbo, doing them with yojimbo is pretty much the same as doing them with an invincibility cheat

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 22, 2014, 04:32:30 PM
It's really stupid that killing the Chocobo Eater without knocking him off the cliff means you miss 2 lvl1 Key Spheres. I tried three times and kept killing him. The last time I used three high potions on him to keep him alive but the lost turns for that meant that he kept pushing me back to the middle and wasting my fucking time.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Bebpo on March 22, 2014, 04:46:28 PM
Well, gj Himuro, you sold me on replaying FFX and X-2.  Picked up the Vita versions.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2014, 05:03:12 PM
Started FFX on the Viter today. :bow2
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 05:32:47 PM
It's really stupid that killing the Chocobo Eater without knocking him off the cliff means you miss 2 lvl1 Key Spheres. I tried three times and kept killing him. The last time I used three high potions on him to keep him alive but the lost turns for that meant that he kept pushing me back to the middle and wasting my fucking time.

Don't worry about it. You get 4 level 1 spheres at the Moonflow.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 05:34:28 PM
I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to want the Jecht sphere and get Auron ultimate OD asap.

even penance can be instakilled through yojimbo, doing them with yojimbo is pretty much the same as doing them with an invincibility cheat

> have issues with tedious grinding
> has issues with using gameplay system to get an advantage

All I wanna do is get the Jecht sphere, then concentrate on building my guys up. I MAY fight DV fair, but who knows. Or I MAY backtrack to Besaid once I beat the sphere boss at Macalania. We'll see.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 22, 2014, 05:44:05 PM
It's really stupid that killing the Chocobo Eater without knocking him off the cliff means you miss 2 lvl1 Key Spheres. I tried three times and kept killing him. The last time I used three high potions on him to keep him alive but the lost turns for that meant that he kept pushing me back to the middle and wasting my fucking time.

Don't worry about it. You get 4 level 1 spheres at the Moonflow.

I used one for a short offshoot for Lulu, I've got another short offshoot for Yuna, and I want Kimahri to enter Wakka's area soon, and then 2 more to get him into Rikku's.

How far along is Moonflow? Is there a place I can farm them? I'm approaching the command center of Mi'hen now.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 05:49:43 PM
Moonflow is after Djose which is after Operation Mi'ihen.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 06:03:54 PM
Well, gj Himuro, you sold me on replaying FFX and X-2.  Picked up the Vita versions.

Great thing about playing FFX post-FFXIII is that you get to see first hand, the main inspiration for FF13 and how much they failed to capture the feel off FF10. I cannot stop playing FF10, just like how I couldn't stop playing when it came out. So despite its flaws, it does something right. One of those things is linearity; it has a constant stream of new areas and content and features despite being linear as all fuck. In the first four hours you go from Zanarkand, to the abandoned fortress, to an Al Bhed ship and underwater plant to salvage an airship, to Besaid, two boat ferry rides, Kilika, and finally Luca. In four hours in FF13, you are probably just arriving in the second area. The pacing is god awful.

Then there's the method of storytelling. Again, X has 13 and most FF's beat: religion;  sports; politics; how the people live; their fears;  their history; where they're going and how they got there; their culture and ticks; their divisions of race, factions,  religion between Al Bhed, Yevonites, and the Crusaders. We learn about shoopufs, and pyreflies, and farplanes. We know so much about the world of FFX, and the way it skillfully tells us all of this is nothing short of masterful. Then look at 13. L'cie, C'ith, C'ie. All this shit that the game assumes we know, that it inelegantly explains. How do the people of Cocoon even live? What are their customs? Shit is so one-dimensional and boring.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 22, 2014, 06:06:25 PM
In my first playthrough I made Kimahri a black mage for something and he was worthless. In other attempts to play the game I ignored him completely.

In this run I have tried to put him into battle as much as possible so that he doesn't fall behind. I've nailed down the whole center and then I want to get Steal/Use. After that, it's either stopping in Wakka for Blind/Silence and then settling in at Tidus', or just sticking with Wakka's. Thoughts?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 06:11:21 PM
Sounds good to me, but make sure he's strong by the time he fights Biran and Yenke at Gagazet.

Do whatever you want with Kimahri. On the expert grid, he's literally smack dab in the middle and can go anywhere he wants. I'm personally putting him on Tidus' path, ability-wise.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 06:26:55 PM
I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to want the Jecht sphere and get Auron ultimate OD asap.

even penance can be instakilled through yojimbo, doing them with yojimbo is pretty much the same as doing them with an invincibility cheat

> have issues with tedious grinding
> has issues with using gameplay system to get an advantage

All I wanna do is get the Jecht sphere, then concentrate on building my guys up. I MAY fight DV fair, but who knows. Or I MAY backtrack to Besaid once I beat the sphere boss at Macalania. We'll see.

i have no issues with tedious grinding but the dark aeons really add nothing other than giving you an excuse to do so and therefore waste more time on the game, and you are the one who's all like "i'm going to beat them without grinding!" and then deciding that using a move that skip the whole fight is "using gameplay system to get an advantage" :heh

not to mention it still take a lot of money for yojimbo to use zanmato on them so there is still chore for you to do, double :heh
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 06:30:31 PM
Actually, they add plenty. I'm already planning a playthrough around them, so I can avoid them and planning ahead. In vanilla FFX, the only means to test your strength are the arena monsters. This is like saying Ruby and Emerald weapon don't add anything to FF7. Stop, just stop.

Also, I have no reason to trust you in regards to chores. FFX's end-game is already a chore. But dark aeons give you a good reason to stick with it. In vanilla FFX, we did all you're talking about WITHOUT Dark Aeons. More than that, you have shown time and time again that YOU make your own chores in games. You're the person who said you have to grind in FFV. PLEASE. Magus. STAHP. :stahp
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 22, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
I think Wakkas ultimate limitbreak is the best in the game. Does damage in the millions if I am not wrong.

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
yeah, i'ma get that one. Just need to win more battles till reels are unlocked in blitz.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 06:56:29 PM
Actually, they add plenty. I'm already planning a playthrough around them, so I can avoid them and planning ahead. In vanilla FFX, the only means to test your strength are the arena monsters. This is like saying Ruby and Emerald weapon don't add anything to FF7. Stop, just stop.

they... don't? this is what the average ruby weapon fight looks like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBepBwUxjAI

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Also, I have no reason to trust you in regards to chores. FFX's end-game is already a chore. But dark aeons give you a good reason to stick with it. In vanilla FFX, we did all you're talking about WITHOUT Dark Aeons. More than that, you have shown time and time again that YOU make your own chores in games. You're the person who said you have to grind in FFV. PLEASE. Magus. STAHP. :stahp

i never said that you have to grind in FFV, just that i think the job system is stupid because in the end you want a party full of people that double wield and quatra attack which make the game trivial...

...but really i'm not saying "don't do it because it's a chore" i'm saying don't do it because the dark aeons fight just aren't interessing and your reward for doing them all is a secret boss that is more frustating than anything else

 so what can i say,i'll have my fun when you'll realize you wasted your time trying to reach penance :umad
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 07:02:40 PM
> has problem with ff5 balance issues
> favorite ff is ff7 where 4x cut, kotr, mime, and more make the game easier than a pop star on a saturday night, and the game is already easy

My point is that you tell me in order to beat Dark Aeons and Penance, I have to grind and replace nodes. But you also give full party in FF5 quatra attack and double wield, so clearly, you cannot help yourself when it comes to breaking a game wide open to make it easier for you.

The entire end game of FFX is already pointless. The only thing the grinding is even for in vanilla FFX is the monster arena. The monster arena is the same shit as the dark aeons: window dressing. Fuck. Let me enjoy this new content I've never experienced before and shut the fuck up, dude.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 22, 2014, 07:59:38 PM
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favorite ff is ff7 where 4x cut, kotr, mime, and more make the game easier than a pop star on a saturday night

I don't understand this analogy at all. Like, do you have a lot of experience seducing pop stars
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
Am I really going to have to explain what the term 'easy' means in relation to this?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 22, 2014, 08:16:58 PM
No, you could just ignore my post if you like. But I really don't understand how that analogy works.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 22, 2014, 08:23:27 PM
You kind of inspired me to start playing Dissidia again ...
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2014, 08:24:04 PM
I'm in the same boat as recursive, but I'm enjoying the dork slap fight, so by all means, carry on.

It's funner than a popstar on Wednesday morning.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 22, 2014, 08:52:23 PM
Man I hate blitzball so much.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 09:06:31 PM
blitzball is easy, just ditch your sucky starting member, recruit some of the player with the better stat and abuse the shit out of tidus special shots

Real talk: if you don't hate blitzball, there's something very wrong with you.

would you listen to someone that live in a trashcan? i wouldn't!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 22, 2014, 09:14:49 PM
isn't blitzball supposed to be a clone of Captain Tsubasa?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
Blitzball in FFX is totally fine and is really fun. The first match is bullshit because everything is totally stacked against you, but it's really easy to gain your favor. Past that, it's great.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 09:28:27 PM
Recruiting players, waiting for free agents, and traveling the world for the best players is really fun. The actual game of blitz becomes a triviality because when you get a good team, boy you're in the green - but it's just like any rpg side game in that matter.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 22, 2014, 09:33:50 PM
Would you *play* a whole game based around the actual playing of blitzball as it is in FFX?

based on my experience with inazuma eleven which is the closest thing to "BLITZBALL: THE GAME" i'd say there is potential in it but they fucked it up by making the rule too nebulous,the gameplay too repetitive and the actual game too easy which are all thing you don't end up noticing when the thing you are playing is a mini-game

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oh wait, "would you buy", I'm talking to magoose, the ever-leeching cunt.

come on oscar, blitzball is more amusing than this insult, you can do better than that :heh


Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 09:38:33 PM
Would you buy a whole game based around the actual playing of blitzball as it is in FFX?

No.

It needs a lot of work, but it's still fun and matches are just 10 minutes.

The idea of blitz is fantastic. Someone told me Inazuma is like Blitz in that you travel the world and make the best team. So I plan on trying that out.

For one thing, Blitz needs to not be turn based. It needs be completely action-based like any sports title. Keep the stats, just like any sports game, and keep the levels, but Blitz needs to play like fucking NBA Street.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2014, 09:45:57 PM
About to do 200 bolt dodges.

Took my anti-androgen.

Grabbing a beer.

Let's do this.

edit: Fuck that. Input lag makes it tough in the area where it's easiest. The other area is easy, but there's encounters there and it's easy to break concentration. Waiting for this when I get enc-none.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 23, 2014, 12:10:54 AM
Recruiting players, waiting for free agents, and traveling the world for the best players is really fun. The actual game of blitz becomes a triviality because when you get a good team, boy you're in the green - but it's just like any rpg side game in that matter.

all worthless because after like three rounds tidus is strong enough to shoot past the whole team. then it's just grinding out 50+ matches to get the dumb special move. IT SUCKS
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 23, 2014, 12:21:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/PSVWoYH.jpg)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 23, 2014, 01:48:44 AM
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(http://i.imgur.com/hC4d8qB.gif)

:jawalrus
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 23, 2014, 01:59:35 PM
aleast it isnt microtransactions!


Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 23, 2014, 03:14:12 PM
Recruiting players, waiting for free agents, and traveling the world for the best players is really fun. The actual game of blitz becomes a triviality because when you get a good team, boy you're in the green - but it's just like any rpg side game in that matter.

all worthless because after like three rounds tidus is strong enough to shoot past the whole team. then it's just grinding out 50+ matches to get the dumb special move. IT SUCKS

You're talking to someone who loves The Sims and lamented that SR IV took away the boring parts of open world games. Also, the whole Shenmue thing.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 23, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
SRIV :zzz Sold that game, didn't even bother getting past the 10 hour mark. Rushed out C game.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 23, 2014, 07:26:59 PM
SRIV is awesome. It's an expansion pack masquerading as a properly numbered sequel in the franchise, but it's still a good time.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 23, 2014, 07:46:49 PM
SRIV :zzz Sold that game, didn't even bother getting past the 10 hour mark. Rushed out C game.

...and this is why, ultimately, I'll always think you have shit taste in games. You want a BLITZBALL game but SR IV is mediocre.

:gurl
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 23, 2014, 07:56:35 PM
I'll take this to the SRIV thread.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 23, 2014, 09:00:57 PM
Well, I got 20 bucks for SRIV which went towards FFX HD so in a way it is a relevant topic. :jawalrus SRIV side quest content has less variety and polish that blitzball.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 24, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
blitzball isnt so bad if you compare it to some other worthless minigames in the series. That card game in FF9 was absolutely shit.

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2014, 02:20:11 PM
Card game in FF9 is my fave minigame ever (and >> the FF8 one, for the record) so you can zip it
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 02:23:11 PM
Triple triad worse than tetra master?!?! :what
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2014, 02:38:29 PM
Triple triad had little in the way of interesting tactics, and having good cards made winning inevitable. They tried to address that with house rules but while the concept/metagame of house rules was really cool, the actual rules were mostly a drag to play with (same/plus made the game an exercise in just iterating through all the possible plays and running an IsSame predicate routine on them in your head, which is something a computer and not me should be doing).

I like Tetra Master because the arrows make it possible for positions to develop in a more interesting way, the "dice rolls" and reversals mean you have to make moves considering the ramifications of both success and failure, and even with good cards you're not guaranteed victory, but skillful play can increase your chances.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 02:44:42 PM
What I played of TM was random compared to TT. Maybe I was playing it like TT but I never "got" TM.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 24, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
What I played of TM was random compared to TT. Maybe I was playing it like TT but I never "got" TM.

tetra master has rules and once you understand them it's really not much different than playing triple triad but there is still a random element involved and the game is all like "rules? no way i'm bothering explaining them :heh" so the end result is that the whole thing feels completly random and pointless unless you read a faq

the gist is that each card has 3 number and a letter printed on it, one number represent physical defense,one number represent magical defense and one number represent attack... the letter represent which kind of attack the card does... P for physical,M for magical then something stupid like X which pick the lowest defense and something even more stupid like i think it was W which pick the lowest number on the card... so basicaly if you focus on always hitting the lowest defense with your highest attack your chance of winning improve a lot but of course to do that you have to realize there are thing like attack and defense in the first place!
 
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2014, 02:55:27 PM
Yeah, FF8's game does have the advantage of being a lot easier to understand (even if FF9 did explain its rules in an obvious place in-game which it doesn't, they are just inherently less straightforward), but FF9 is more interesting and fun once you understand it imo
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
The forced Tetra Master contest was and still is, the bane of my existence. Let's force players to participate in a mini game without fully explaining the rules, hyuk.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 06:27:24 PM
I like mini games. Fishing mini games especially can be fun. Mini games in jrpgs are pretty much dead unless it's Tales tho.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2014, 06:41:06 PM
At the conceptual level I liked the card games because they added another dimension to town exploration and NPCs, which have always been an important part of the RPG experience but have rarely had any real gameplay substance (and the adventure game / information collection purpose they used to serve has over time tended to be less and less important).

In general I think a lot of people are attracted to RPGs for the gestalt of a world-spanning adventure and not just for the standard core content of "story plus combat". So minigames can be good if they help animate some element of the adventure, whether it's the setting or a location, character, item, some aspect of the theme or premise, or whatever. Minigames that are just there to have minigames (like the ones in FF7 IMO) are pretty pointless though.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 06:46:16 PM
RGG/Yakuza is still sick with them.  The mini-games seem to get more dev attention than the combat.

The best case scenario for mini-games for me is that they're not mandatory and horrible.  Wow, let's play some subpar fishing game instead of the stuff I bought the game for, aka the RPG.

Again, imagine if to move on to the next race in Gran Turismo you had to play an inning of a crappy baseball game.  Or if you had to play a horrible Hang-On knock-off in the middle of Bayonetta.

I like rpgs for variety in things to do. If all rpgs had were just story content, they'd be boring. I like side content. I'm not the type of player to just go and beat an rpg and concentrate on the story. I like exploring and getting involved with the world. Mini games help me do that. Also your comparisons aren't 1:1 because games like Bayonetta aren't rpgs. Rpgs, as in role playing games, are big with mini games because the genre allows it. Rpgs are about world building and exploration, as much as they are about stats and grindan. Mini games allow them to do this, while expanding upon their own world and story at the same time.

Now, I'm not saying rpgs need shit like the crappy race in Chrono Trigger or the stupid snowboarding in FF7, but mini games can be fun and involving while at the same time enhancing the actual rpg gameplay and npc/world interaction. (Chocobo Hot and Cold, Triple Triad).
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 06:48:43 PM
Anyways, I'm at the Calm Lands.

Macalania scene is a bloo bloo wahhhhhhhh :tocry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
The only mini-game I ever liked was pazaac in KotR. All jrpg mini-games are shit.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 07:55:55 PM
There was a time when RPG mechanics were enough for an RPG.  But RPGs have been suffering from envy of other genres and media for a really long time now, I guess.  Enough that you think stopping to play a crappy fishing game in the middle of math battles is somehow natural and welcome while still recognizing a crappy motorcycle segment has no place in a melee action game.

le sigh

I wouldn't really call it genre envy at all. But more that it just gives players more to do and more to do equates more time spent on that game. How long an rpg is has always been a heavily adveetised feature.

You just want to play the game and do battles. That's fine. Rpgs are more than battles to me though. More than that, you have plenty of options for rpgs with no mini games. I even said mini games are rare now in jrpgs. They are mostly a relic of the late 90s and 00s. Games like FF12 and 13 are prominent for peoples criticisms that they don't have mini games. Mini games mostly show up in story based romps like 3d FFs and and stuff like Suikoden. You can avoid these easily by playing Tri Ace and Atlus titles rather than wishing for homogeny is a very diverse genre.

I appreciate both styles though and can play and appreciate mini games while also enjoying a dungeon crawler and battle focused RPG.

Less variety is boring. Why want less variety?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 08:01:03 PM
In any case, I really only mind mini games in jrpgs if they're truly bad like Pazak in KOTOR or chocobo racing in FFX or that crappy pod race mini game you have to win in KOTOR.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 24, 2014, 08:21:42 PM
I found the 200 lighting bolts less annoying than the chocobo race thing where you had to get a time of 0.0. One of only two times I've broken a controller.  :(
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 08:31:57 PM
How about dodging lightning 200 times?

Shit and more shit. I've never done it before. Figured since I've never done it, might as well try it.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 08:35:47 PM
Ive never played an RPG mini game I like more than the main game. But I don't think they're trying to be better than the main game. They're distractions that act as expanded npc interaction so I like them in that way. I think Chocobo Hot N Cold are fun diversions that enhance game content. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 09:22:11 PM
Well, yeah. They can.

My big problem is when mini games are actively awful. Since this is the FFX thread we can use FFX as a prime example. Almost all of the sidequests in the game are garbage tier and it's one of the prime reasons I don't rank it high in my favorite FF's despite loving it to pieces. I admit I like Blitzball, but mostly for nostalgia reasons. I have never been able to handle stuff like chocobo racing, lightning dodging, butterflies and all that shit. I prefer explorative and battle-based quests. FF5, 6, 8, X-2, and 12 are my favorite FF's not only because of their battle systems or customization, but their dungeoon exploration (Via Infinito, Fanatics tower), exploration-based sidequests (gaining summons in FF5 and 8 ), and unlocking secrets and cool shit through battle.

I'm pretty positive FF12's lack of mini games and diversions and odd jobs is because of the fan response to 10's shit end game.

Unfortunately not everything is Shenmue Darts.

It's not that I dislike focused games. I am a fan of many of them. It's just something about exploring a game world that checks something off in my brain. I admit that exploring is as important to me - probably more important, in some cases - than battles in rpgs for me. It's how I can enjoy stuff like Skyrim. Something about just kicks me in my imagination sector of my brain.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 09:28:26 PM
Did the same shit except for blitzball. Made my party really underpowered. This time I'm going to grit my teeth.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 24, 2014, 10:11:06 PM
Triple Triad is pretty shitty especially when it comes to abolishing rules through RNG bullshit.

The best minigames in the series were Chocobo Hot'n'Cold in FFIX, and Chronobind in the FFXIII-2 DLC. Legitimate fun.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 10:25:07 PM
it didn't
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 24, 2014, 10:58:02 PM
Decided to dip my tip into the intro, even though I'd like to finish some stuff up first... looks great. FFX is a nice leisure stroll. I find it very replayable.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2014, 11:02:45 PM
IIRC Xenogears has some kind of slap-jack-ish reflex card game you can play, but it's not really extensive and I think you only have to play it either zero times or one time in the story. And I remember having fun with it.

There's also a mini-fighting-game with the gears that was pretty bad judged as a standalone game, but still neat just for the chance to play with direct action control of the gears.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2014, 11:04:16 PM
Chocobo racing.

:tocry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2014, 11:18:57 PM
Ah here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COeeht2-S5E

I love how dramatic it all is.  :lol IIRC this is one of the few times in the game other than the early and late scenes you ever hear the character voices, too.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: tiesto on March 25, 2014, 12:06:27 AM
I don't mind optional minigames. Keyword OPTIONAL... And as for minigames being more fun than the main game, I liked Triple Triad more than FF8 :P

Other minigames I liked:
-the Xenogears mech combat
-Digital Devil Saga 2 shmup
-Hang On/Space Harrier in Shenmue
-Stage 1 of Gradius in Legend of the Mystical Ninja
-FF7 motorcycle chase

Minigames I hated:
-Blitzball
-Jade Empire crappy shmup
-Kingdom Hearts gummy ship
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Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 25, 2014, 12:23:53 AM
Yeah, the motorcycle chase is another case of a good use of a minigame. It's not much of a game on its own, but it's mindless simple fun without a lot of bullshit, it has some sweet catchy tunes, and in context it works well as part of the fantastic overall sequence that caps off the Midgar part of the game (story revelations -> boss fight -> FMV -> minigame -> boss fight -> denouement.)

(http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/142776-the-memory-card-62-leaving-midgar/FFVII%20-%20Escape-620x.jpg)

I loved the feel of this last (or is it almost last?) scene when you're saying goodbye to Midgar.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 12:36:09 AM
Best score in chocobo racing is 9.6. Could get 0.0 if only could get more balloons.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 12:47:34 AM
1.5?!?!?!?!? KILL MEEEEEEE
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 12:59:12 AM

-Hang On/Space Harrier in Shenmue


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m61PnOAf5XE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmSs_IHzeyc

GOAT.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2014, 01:03:51 AM
This thread is doing a good job of lowering my opinions I had on FFX.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Purple Filth on March 25, 2014, 01:17:28 AM
Hows the Vita version i wonder?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 01:35:43 AM
I FUCKING DID IT

0.0

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 01:44:06 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TuXh74O.jpg)

:tocry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: archnemesis on March 25, 2014, 01:46:29 AM
Hows the Vita version i wonder?
"[...]Final Fantasy X looks and plays fantastically on Vita. I've seen no frame rate issues or any other graphical problems. "

"I make no bones about preferring portable gaming, so the Vita was the clear choice for me. Final Fantasy X|X-2 HD is wonderful to play on the go and all the new content makes it feel fresh. I can say that I don't think I'd still be playing on PS3. The lack of a suspend function and unskippable cutscenes that can't even be paused show that this game isn't completely new, but just an older game with a lovely new coat of paint. On Vita, though, it feels like an impressive achievement, so I'm so happy to get to play these games again there. " - RPGamer (http://rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff10hd/ff10hdimp.html)

This convinced me to pick up the Vita versions once I'm done with my current batch of new games.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 25, 2014, 04:37:14 AM
At this point I may just want a Vita to play FFX and a non terrible version of MGS3 on the go. Shame that ZoE2 Vita version didn't happen. Might as well get Ys and Baby Jrpg 2 as well.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 25, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
I FUCKING DID IT

0.0

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Nice! I haven't hit Calm Lands yet (at Macalania atm) but I'm not sure if I'm gonna go for it for the trophy or say "fuck it" and keep my sanity.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 01:11:12 PM
This is the best video for helping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-mHzTolJfc

Tips:

1. don't try to pass her at first. If there's balloons all on the left side of cliff, you lost. If there's balloons all on the right side of the cliff, you can win it more easily. Don't try to pass her, until you grab the ballons on the right, because if you do, she'll push you and you'll be behind her. Always try to stay in the lead.

2. HAVE THE LEAD AS YOU GO AROUND THE CLIFF.

3. Try to hit as many balloons coming out of the cliff turn as possible without getting hit.

4. This is where you start dodging birds. Hold the d-pad right to avoid them. You need wide girth to avoid because the game is distinguished mentally-challenged and makes the shadow on the right an invisible border, so if you're trying to avoid them and you have no more room, you'll get hit.

5. Weave in and collect more balloons, then hold right.

6. You're going to make another turn, make sure nothing hits you out of fucking nowhere, so make the on the edge of the shadow.

7. Going straight, start on the right side, here you're going to be dodging birds as you go to the LEFT. 

8. Pick up as many balloons as you can.

9. Pray you picked up at least 13-14 balloons.

10. Get to the finish line at about 35-36 seconds.

It's all luck because the game places balloons in a very random manner each and every fucking time. So sometmes, you'll get there at 35 seconds and still have only 9 balloons and even with zero hits, you can't get 0.0 with that.

Whoever designed this should be fired and they are a bloody masochist.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 25, 2014, 01:27:07 PM
 :gloomy And that's why I prefer the lightning. At least that is mostly consistent. Just gotta hit X at the right time.

Maybe I'll just save it until I get the airship. That's when I usually do all the Ultimate Weapon stuff. Gonna skip Wakka's on this playthrough though. I'd rather just beat this one and move on to X-2 than do a whole blitzball season.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 01:37:38 PM
I'm saving lightning dodging for when I have no encounters ability.

Ummmmmmmmmm, any tips on butterflies?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 25, 2014, 01:41:43 PM
Save it for No Encounters as well (same for the Rikku/Cactuar thing). Other than that it's pretty simple, just watch the weird camera angles or you'll hit the red butterflies. It's purposely designed to be as deceptive as possible haha.

Here's a nice map that lets you know how to do it cause the camera angles on some of that can be so weird: http://www.uffsite.net/ff10/butterfly.php
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
I'm going to get Nirvana next session.

FFX is the most grindy FF ever. Seriously.

When I first played FFX, I fully leveled up Nirvana. It was the only weapon I did that with. I just read the requirements and it requires you to capture ALL the monsters from Calm Lands AND Gagazet. Holy shit, 16 year old me!  I did that?!?!?! All I remember is beating Belgemine and then getting the Magus Sisters.

I do gotta say though, to my memory, the end of FFX has amazing boss fights. Magus Sisters  :obama
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 25, 2014, 02:12:02 PM
I thought Auron's was the monster capture one. IIRC for Nirvana you have to beat all of the summoner lady's aeons (inc Yojimbo, Anima, and Magus Sisters). Which means you need to recruit them too, of course.

EDIT: Nevermind you're right. Need the Calm Lands dudes for the actual weapon and the Gagazet for the Sisters. Forgot about that too I guess, haha.

I remember just capturing every monster in the game that you could back in the day. It's kinda worth it for the items you get. Can make some real sweet weapon/armor customizations with those.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 02:33:32 PM
On replays of FFX I've always ignored this stuff. But this time I'm gonna go all out.

Iirc I leveled up Wakka and Aurons in the original too.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 25, 2014, 03:05:07 PM
I always did the easy weapons on replays: Auron, Kimhari, Yuna, and Rikku. For everyone else I just customized a weapon that was just as good (double/triple overdrive, +magic/strength, counterattacks, one mp cost), but without the ultimate weapon extra benefits.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 03:28:07 PM
Remember if when you finish capturing all monsters at a location if the game tells you if you did or not?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 25, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
It does not. I usually keep a checklist handy when capturing.

http://auronlu.istad.org/squidoo/ffx-secrets/monster-arena-checklist.html
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 25, 2014, 04:09:22 PM
I am debating with myself if i should pick up X and X-2 remaster or give FFXII international edition a go.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
It does not. I usually keep a checklist handy when capturing.

http://auronlu.istad.org/squidoo/ffx-secrets/monster-arena-checklist.html

(http://i.imgur.com/kWf9T.png)

Ten Malboros. How did 16 year old me do this shit?

Malboros apparently have 27k hp.

Goddamit, fuck me. Tidus can hit for 3k per hit but this is a Malboro we're talking about there. I'm guessing Aeons are the best way to capture Malboros.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 04:21:17 PM
Oh, you just need to capture one of all enemies of the Calm lands for the Nirvana. You don't need to actually get 10 of each monster there.

10 of each monster is exclusively for Nemesis. (http://i.imgur.com/kWf9T.png)

Were Malboros even IN FF13? Apparently not. Worst 3d FF confirmed. Malboros have a long standing tradition going as far as FF6. :piss FF13 :piss2
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 25, 2014, 05:32:58 PM
Oh, you just need to capture one of all enemies of the Calm lands for the Nirvana. You don't need to actually get 10 of each monster there.

10 of each monster is exclusively for Nemesis. (http://i.imgur.com/kWf9T.png)

Were Malboros even IN FF13? Apparently not. Worst 3d FF confirmed. Malboros have a long standing tradition going as far as FF6. :piss FF13 :piss2

no Malboros in FF13, but it got Ochu.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 05:36:37 PM
I never found Ochu's as iconic as Malboros.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 25, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
They go back all the way to FF1 (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ochu_(Final_Fantasy)) though where they were the memorable OCHO and NAOCHO. (which as a kid I always imagined were a reference to having eight/nine? tentacles or something, but nope).

Although apparently like most of FF1's monster concepts they were ripped from a D&D bestiary (otyugh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otyugh)), while Malboro (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Malboro) is original to FF. Even so Malboro is only really memorable for its obnoxious status effects and its righteous original FFVI localization as :bow "Mad Oscar" :bow2
 
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 07:02:48 PM
I know they go back to FF1 but they weren't consistent in entries until 6. 6-12 have Malboros.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
IMO most iconic FF monsters:

Behemoths
Malboros
Cactuars
Tonberry
Flans
Zuu's
Bombs
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 25, 2014, 07:16:42 PM
Ochus were more dangerous in FF13 than Malboros are in most of  the other games. FF13 superiority confirmed
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 25, 2014, 07:24:18 PM
I know they go back to FF1 but they weren't consistent in entries until 6. 4-12 have Malboros.

Fixed

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100103080413/finalfantasy/images/a/ab/FFIV_Bad_Breath.png)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 07:39:45 PM
They were in 5 too? You're right!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 07:42:23 PM
Ah so I was kinda right. Don't remember them ever in 5 so when Demi corrected me I was confused but believed him.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 25, 2014, 07:43:23 PM
2 and 5 dont exist so I am correct
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 07:46:12 PM
2 and 5 dont exist so I am correct

:tocry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 25, 2014, 07:52:07 PM
Forum UX sucks for this
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 25, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
IMO most iconic FF monsters:

Behemoths
Malboros
Cactuars
Tonberry
Flans
Zuu's
Bombs
Don't disagree with this list but wtf @ no Bahamut.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 10:06:09 PM
Well, that's why I made a list because of course Zuu doesn't deserve to be on it. But I fucking love Zuu. :heartbeat I'd throw in Gilgamesh but he's not always an enemy.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 25, 2014, 10:07:30 PM
Man they really couldn't get rid of the slowdown in explosions and whatnot could they. Thats kind of unfortunate.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 25, 2014, 10:11:34 PM
Iron Giant?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 10:13:03 PM
Iron Giant?

Good one!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 10:46:53 PM
i miss leviathan so hard.

ffxv gameplay trailer with leviathan trashing shit just touched my inner 15 year olds heart
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
Bring back Diablos, Ashura, and Siren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suxQsTVL6sc
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 25, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
sometimes when i go really deep in the ff sperghole i get the urge to start buying those mini figures of the summons and bosses. its really hard to resist
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 25, 2014, 10:53:51 PM
There was a time I spent a nice amount on XII and XIII play arts figures. That was kind of a mistake.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 25, 2014, 10:59:34 PM
I have several Selphies and lots of OSTs. :-[
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:00:02 PM
sometimes when i go really deep in the ff sperghole i get the urge to start buying those mini figures of the summons and bosses. its really hard to resist

I want statues of characters.


(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/191/a/e/squall_leonhart_by_hairyashell-d56om4q.jpg)

(http://www.tintedjourney.com/blog//wp-content/img/8.jpg)


Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:00:32 PM
I have several Selphies and lots of OSTs. :-[

I have a shit ton of osts.

I do NOT have Selphie's.

RINKU.

booyaka
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:01:48 PM
Characters I want:

Squall
Rinoa
Selphie
FFX Yuna
Paine
FFX-2 Yuna
anything FF12

i'm not even sure if they do pre-VII statues.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 25, 2014, 11:03:30 PM
If they did a line of IV chars I'd be in trouble. :lawd
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
FFV characters.

Faris :rejoice
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:06:28 PM
were they chibi versions like in the manual?!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 25, 2014, 11:08:00 PM

i'm not even sure if they do pre-VII statues.

(http://i.imgur.com/HMawmED.jpg)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:10:38 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

(http://i.imgur.com/ax4EFZI.gif)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 25, 2014, 11:12:48 PM
80 bux (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Square-Enix-Final-Fantasy-4-FF-IV-Trading-Arts-Mini-Figure-X-6-pcs-Set-/191098116854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7e55daf6) for FFIV peeps
Damn that magitek armor :bow
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:13:38 PM
Where's those Selphie's, Trent?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:15:25 PM
were they chibi versions like in the manual?!

They were exactly those, yes.

Oh my god. :gladbron
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 25, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l207/fgsfdsfargeg/IMG00067-20140325-23171_zpsc2475d55.jpg)
Booyaka! Oh disposable income, where did you go.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2014, 11:21:50 PM
BOOYAKA!

I can only find Selphie action figures.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 25, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
Yeah I found the majority of those when the game was fairly new. A few I wasn't aware of until a bit after and got a hold of right quick. Sadly was between stuffs when X happened or there'd be some Rikkus hanging about as well.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2014, 12:34:30 AM
uh guys i was just talking about cool-looking monsters i didnt sign up for this
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2014, 12:45:41 AM
uh guys i was just talking about cool-looking monsters i didnt sign up for this

But if you could live in one place in the FF universe, where would it be?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2014, 12:52:48 AM
bodybuilder gymhoneybee inn so i could fuck madd bitches
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 26, 2014, 01:15:30 AM
or get raped by poor Japanese stereotypes for gay men? FFVII would have set the ACLU on fire if they were as influential in 1997.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 02:00:59 AM
Okay buddy.

Buddy.

BUDDY.

If I could live anywhere in FF it'd be Besaid (eternal calm only plz :holdup), Balamb, or Winhill.

Made it to Gagazet. Wanted to get to Zanarkand but I guess that'll wait for tomorrow.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 26, 2014, 02:02:25 AM
uh guys i was just talking about cool-looking monsters i didnt sign up for this

But if you could live in one place in the FF universe, where would it be?
XIII so I could hit on Light and Serah, there so kawai desu!


spoiler (click to show/hide)
Probably FFVIII. I hate this game, but I liked the look of the 40s Europe thing it had going on before they got to that dumb tech city with Laguna
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Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 02:08:59 AM
Hornless! Hornless!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Raban on March 26, 2014, 02:12:45 AM
Rabanastre cuz my name's right in the shit
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 02:22:51 AM
nibelheim cuz at least my end would be swift

nibelheim pre-reactor incident or post? Because if post you'd be living swimmingly as a Shinra employee.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 26, 2014, 05:30:17 AM
Ultimecia's Castle
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Raban on March 26, 2014, 07:50:21 AM
that fucking song :gladbron :noah :aah :whew :whoo
spoiler (click to show/hide)
is all I really remember from FF8 :sabu
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Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 26, 2014, 08:49:58 AM
FF8 had such great OST. Balamb garden is so calming.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rufus on March 26, 2014, 09:23:12 AM
There was a time I spent a nice amount on XII and XIII play arts figures. That was kind of a mistake.

that judge gabranth figure tho  :lawd
OK, yeah, that's the only figure I ever remotely considered. Something about that armour is just cool. Otherwise:  :piss2
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 26, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
FFXII is a fun game. Never played the international version, i think ill boot it up.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 26, 2014, 10:11:42 AM
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l207/fgsfdsfargeg/IMG00067-20140325-23171_zpsc2475d55.jpg)
Booyaka! Oh disposable income, where did you go.

> accuse other people of Being into loli
> has a cabinet full of selphie figurine

:goty
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 10:16:02 AM
Selphie is 17. Also her design is not loli nor terribly sexualized. Maybe he bought them because rightfully he realizes that Selphie is a bad ass. BOOYAKA. Blow up military bases, brehs. Start a blog before blogs were a thing, sis. DO YOU WANT TO JOIN THE GARDEN FESTIVAL COMMITTEE?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 26, 2014, 10:20:12 AM
Uh uh
You can say that but that buzz lightyear has clearly seen some shit judging from his expression
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rufus on March 26, 2014, 10:23:13 AM
She's wearing a dress that just barely covers her ass and she's introduced teasing an upskirt shot. Not sexualized my ass.

He was probably around her age when he got those figurines.  :teehee
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 10:24:22 AM
Buzz wants to join in but he's too scared what other Buzz Light years will think because but he totoally wants to join the booyaka train and have an orgy with all of those fucking dolls

Then again she bombs military bases so maybe she is the right woman for buzz.

:heartbeat
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 10:25:39 AM
She's wearing a dress that just barely covers her ass and she's introduced teasing an upskirt shot. Not sexualized my ass.

He was probably around her age when he got those figurines.  :teehee

I said not too sexualized, I didn't say it wasn't sexualized. That's how some women actually dressed in the 90s. So I've never questioned it nor has it ever looked abnormal.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2014, 10:33:37 AM
Start a blog before blogs were a thing, sis.

Also her name is Selfie.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 10:37:02 AM
Start a blog before blogs were a thing, sis.

Also her name is Selfie.

:dead
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rufus on March 26, 2014, 11:11:31 AM
Yeah, ditzy and 'random'.

I LIKE TRAIIIINSSSS
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
I just lump her in with the energetic young girl type. I'm a big fan of Rikku, Selphie, and Yuffie because their personalities are fun and awesome
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 11:43:51 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm telling you, I'm NOT sexually attracted to them!!!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2014, 11:53:10 AM
Himu is like that old guy on Esch's FB feed posting furry pics because he's too old to know what a furry is.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 26, 2014, 01:12:09 PM
Ironically selphie has the most powerful limitbreak in FF history, killing everything except the last boss.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 26, 2014, 02:00:22 PM
Ironically selphie has the most powerful limitbreak in FF history, killing everything except the last boss.

Selphie's limit break is so powerful it shut down the GIA (http://archive.thegia.com/).
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 05:59:46 PM
Beat Seymour at Gagazet on second try. Still a great boss fight.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 26, 2014, 06:48:23 PM
Himu, you using Expert or Standard sphere grid? I'm using Expert for the first time on this and it seems to be a bit harder, but maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 26, 2014, 07:29:05 PM
Rikku is fucking annoying. is there a boss fight later where I have to use her, or split my party and use her in half of it? Kimahri has steal and I want to never use her.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 26, 2014, 07:33:52 PM
Love Rikku. She becomes my healer when Yuna is gone thanks to those Al bhed potions.

Also liked Selphie. Can't stand Yuffie or most of VII's cast though. Not sure what this makes me.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 09:03:05 PM
I love Maya and Pearls! They're so cute and energetic! Just a character type I've always been fond of.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 09:08:11 PM
Himu, you using Expert or Standard sphere grid? I'm using Expert for the first time on this and it seems to be a bit harder, but maybe that's just me.

Expert.

I noted this earlier in the thread. I'm almost at Zanarkand and I've NEVER played a run of FFX as balanced as this difficulty wise.

If you have played FFX before go expert, people.

I accidentally put Yuna on Rikku's path and I forgot nodes and shit for Wakka because the path diverges. You can get lost on the expert grid and when you make choices it is best to concentrate on the grid and finding the characters path you are using rather than just mindlessly put in nodes like in the original.

Tidus for example I put on Auron's path and that nicca has high Def and regular monsters can still fuck his shit up. Expert grid is fucking awesome and I feel sorry for any person who went standard.

Tidus is almost done with Auron's path. Gonna put him on his own path after.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Huff on March 26, 2014, 10:46:38 PM
Have both yuna and lulu with black magic early on is pretty tight. Might have kinda broke the game a bit. Just got to the crusaders/albed v sin battle
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2014, 10:47:55 PM
who's learning white magic
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Huff on March 26, 2014, 11:33:15 PM
yuna still. she just takes a detour into lulus every now and then. shes a little behind on white magic skills but worth it so far. have won a couple return spheres in blitz going for wakkas reels so its not as bad as it could have been
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 27, 2014, 12:26:46 AM
I've been doing that too. Yuna's path weaves in and out of Lulu's, but magic is just so good that it's awesome to have two Black Mages. I have Kimahri on Rikku's path right now but I sorta regret not going BLM with him too.

Having two thieves is nice for just getting stacks of items though, and it makes that desert section easy as hell.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 03:18:14 AM
I'd put kimahri on aurons path to me him useful for a change.

Yeah, you can put yuna on Lu's path and vice versa quite a bit. They're often right next to each other. I personally refuse to do that. I'm going to have every character go through the whole grid on another save for the trophy. But my main save is going to have them all cover every characters path but avoiding ability spheres and that way they'll all be fuck strong BUT still unique.

And damn Yunalesca is crazy in expert grid version. Ffffuuuucck. Hardest boss so far. Yunalesca is never this tough for me. Always beat her my first time fighting her every run.

Fuck no skip feature. :mad I mad. :umad
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 03:42:16 AM
Lol forgot the trick is to leave zombie on. Yunalesca-sama knocked out.

Oh. And get the sun crest immediately after beating Yunalesca or risk the wrath of Dark Bahamut.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 27, 2014, 12:01:31 PM
Yeah I remember the zombie mode trick from the Brady guide back in the day. :lol That and using two Phoenix Downs on undead Evrae seemed so broken to younger me.

Didn't play any last night cause i cut my damn finger open, but took a sick day off work today so I think I'll get into it. Heading to Bevelle right now.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 27, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
The Yunalesca part has the best scene in the whole game with Auron, why would you want to skip that?

NOW IS THE TIME

TO MAKE YOUR STORY

SOMETHING SOMETHING
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 01:30:09 PM
Because it's a long cutscene and if you die you have to watch again.

Oh well, only had to see it twice. Knocked her out the second time.

And Yuna has the best lines in that scene. Because she's the best Final Fantasy character.  :P
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 01:34:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSf43SH17k

Probably top 5 best Final Fantasy scenes.

Ever.

:lawd

FFX :rejoice The best Final Fantasy plot and characters :rejoice
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7i_771UQXY

:tocry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2014, 02:35:41 PM
SOMETHING SOMETHING

That's pretty much all I remember of the FFX story.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 27, 2014, 03:16:16 PM
Y'know people call Tidus a bitch but really Wakka is the biggest pussy in the game. Everything they do he's like "...I dunno about this guys".
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 27, 2014, 03:34:00 PM
the characters from FFX isnt that good. Everyone is complaining that the characters in FFXIII is terrible, but FFX cast is not really any better.

my favorite cast is from FFIX for sure.

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 27, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
oh yea? well they fucking suck too.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
the characters from FFX isnt that good. Everyone is complaining that the characters in FFXIII is terrible, but FFX cast is not really any better.

my favorite cast is from FFIX for sure.

:what

FF13 characters have almost no character development. Every character in X has development.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 27, 2014, 03:48:29 PM
the characters from FFX isnt that good. Everyone is complaining that the characters in FFXIII is terrible, but FFX cast is not really any better.

my favorite cast is from FFIX for sure.

:what

FF13 characters have almost no character development. Every character in X has development.

wakka has character development? that's news to me.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 03:55:33 PM
the characters from FFX isnt that good. Everyone is complaining that the characters in FFXIII is terrible, but FFX cast is not really any better.

my favorite cast is from FFIX for sure.

:what

FF13 characters have almost no character development. Every character in X has development.

wakka has character development? that's news to me.

Wakka grows from a fundamentalist Yevonite, with a hate for machina and Al Bed for the death of his brother to an open-minded guy who realizes that he was a close minded jerk (he even says this when you get the airship) who realizes that everything he lived abd preached was a sham. Wakka continuously makes excuses, and finds ways to rationalize and perhaps find a way to think of Chappu as not dead. His relationship with Tidus, his relationship with Lulu, his conflict with Rikku and compromising his friendship due to religion, and his dedication to Yevon as a religion are all well writtrn. Wakka is a fantastically written character and his representation of the average Spiran is great.

And you question if he had character development?

Please remind me to never discuss stories with you next time this comes up.

Y'know people call Tidus a bitch but really Wakka is the biggest pussy in the game. Everything they do he's like "...I dunno about this guys".

People who call Tidus a bitch are distinguished mentally-challenged. They probably jack off to Terra going "what is love?" Too. I can understand not liking Tidus, but FF main characters have traditionally been of the emotional type. Cecil going on a personal journey for redemption, Bartz trying to secure his fathers legacy, Terra trying to find love and Celes trying to kill herself, Cloud and his nervous breakdowns and identity crisis, Squall's abandonment issues, Tidus' struggle to reconcile hid relationship with his past and his father and Yuna's journey of sacrifice, Ashe's struggle to destroy Archadia for revenge or for her people.

It is like, what series have they been playing? Is it because IV-IX don't have VA?

The main exception is Zidane, and he has a mental breakdown with cheesy rock music in the background on disc 3.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 27, 2014, 04:01:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSf43SH17k

Probably top 5 best Final Fantasy scenes.

Ever.

:lawd

FFX :rejoice The best Final Fantasy plot and characters :rejoice
Oh no it's cool let's totally forget FFIX was superior in both ways completely and entirely
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 04:02:18 PM
Goddamit.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 27, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
I think VA brought a lot of issues people had to the forefront. With just text you can read things a lot of ways. With VA the tone of the actor doesn't leave much to interpretation.

Tidus never bothered me too much. He's a spoiled, emotional sports star with dad issues that is dropped into a third world country where no one knows who he is and forced to fight monsters to survive. It'd be like putting :tocry in an RPG.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 04:06:30 PM
Tidus is a great mirror into the world of Spira. He's confident, cocky (sports jock), positive, funny, and a bit spoiled and maybe more than a little naive but he has heart. Tidus' journey from resenting his father to trying to save Yuna, to accepting his fate after they beat Sin for the woman - and by extension, world - he loves, to the reconciliation with Jecht as they high five in the far plane is :lawd Such a great character. Suck it haters.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 27, 2014, 04:09:48 PM
i hate you~
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 04:12:34 PM
What? I didn't hear you.

I HATE YOU.

Eh?

YOU CAN DO IT!

:heh
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 27, 2014, 04:14:53 PM
You've really grown

Yeah, but you're still bigger

Well, I am Sin, you know

That's not funny

 :larry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
Ah, such words would be unbecoming of a summonerrrrrrrr

Sound like Maester Mika?

:heh
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 27, 2014, 04:18:31 PM
They said Seymour went to Macarena Temple

 :beli
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 04:20:55 PM
:aah

Ahahahaha
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1TXVDn2CEc
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 04:47:03 PM
Yessssss!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfi5kkfNGc1qds06do1_500.gif)

Brudda.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on March 27, 2014, 07:11:40 PM
FFX is one of the worst pieces of shit ever squeezed out of a major publisher.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 27, 2014, 07:22:39 PM
awesome story dude
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on March 27, 2014, 07:26:55 PM
kill yourself
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 27, 2014, 07:35:34 PM
I'm up to where I get Rikku. I'm really enjoying playing this again, even though I think I played FFX last year. It really is my favorite FF if not game in general.

I've been using Kimarhi a bit more and he's pretty useful. Though he is actually always how I beat Yu Yevon since I just cast death with his Overdrive. He's the secret best character honestly.

Game looks pretty good or at least the main characters and environment do. Also quite honestly Tidus' voice is really good. He sounds like a blond and dumb yet not a douche sports dude.

I don't know. The game is pretty great.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 09:01:37 PM
Tidus is not dumb. You can tell he's highly  introspective because of the narration. He often says things he was thinking and held back at the time. And many of these things are smart. What Tidus says to other people isn't a true testament of his intellect or personality, his narration is. A good example is when Wakka shows him the prayer. He already knows that "prayer", it is the Blitzball pose for victory. So he knows Yevon is full of shit - or at least sketchy - out the gate, but keeps it to himself for respect.

It is kinda like Max Payne. Max Payne out of game naaration is crass and cusses and does so to fit in. But inside Max Payne's head is a whole another ball game and the true strength of his character.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
And holy shit. I cannot do anything right now because my party is so weak. Can't go inside Sin, can't fuck around Omega. I'm going to fuck around Zanarkand Ruins and get enough money for Yojimbo and then try to get Anima.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 27, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
I didn't say Tidus was dumb, but his first impression and surface personality is of a dumb, but care free sports dude. He's all about hitting on girls, playing his sports game, and little else. The voice acting nails this. When it comes time to reveal his actual substance, the voice acting does it's job as well.

I'm just going to stay out of the Himu presents FFX thread.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 09:49:13 PM
I didn't say Tidus was dumb, but his first impression and surface personality is of a dumb, but care free sports dude. He's all about hitting on girls, playing his sports game, and little else. The voice acting nails this. When it comes time to reveal his actual substance, the voice acting does it's job as well.

I'm just going to stay out of the Himu presents FFX thread.

I just never got this from him I guess. There's an intro scene but nothing about it screams dumb. And as soon as the intro is over, his priority is getting home and helping out when he can.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on March 27, 2014, 09:51:34 PM
all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series.  it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows.  maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure?  zack in crisis core kinda?  laguna? 

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'.  serviceable, sure.  taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah.  fantastic?  no, come on.  it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

FFX writing is a good deal worse than a typical anime, be real.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 09:55:37 PM
all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series.  it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows.  maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure?  zack in crisis core kinda?  laguna? 

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'.  serviceable, sure.  taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah.  fantastic?  no, come on.  it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

Final Fantasy is definitely shounen anime. I don't think anyone here would disagree.

But that doesn't mean shounen can't be written in a great and endearing manner. When I say fantastic writing, I'm not comparing it to The Wire. I'm just enjoying the characters and the ride. One Piece is fantastic and it is a shounen. It is my favorite comic book. By that metric, we should never use the term fantastic writing for American comic books. After all, they're mostly about cape crusaders targeted at a very specific audience.  That doesn't mean they cannot be highly endearing.

In relation to Final Fantasy stories and presentation, I can understand not liking it. But it works for me and it is one of the prime reasons I've been a fan so long.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 27, 2014, 09:58:26 PM
all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series.  it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows.  maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure?  zack in crisis core kinda?  laguna? 

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'.  serviceable, sure.  taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah.  fantastic?  no, come on.  it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

i tought oscar could at least relate to FF7 cid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmv-41oKNw
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 10:02:34 PM
Final Fantasy stories are typically not very good. I make exceptions for VI and X, however. FF is better at story presentation than actual plot and storytelling. But it does what it does well very well. Plus, the characters are usually inoffensive and fun.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 27, 2014, 10:03:59 PM
wahts shounen
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 10:05:24 PM
Means boys. So it is Japanese media meant for boys. Choice picks are Dragon Ball, Naruto, and One Piece.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 27, 2014, 10:13:16 PM
Oh

I'm in the desert, how far to the ending cutscene? I figure I'm about 2/3rds
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 27, 2014, 10:14:00 PM
far away
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 10:16:27 PM
Long time
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 27, 2014, 10:19:19 PM
Really? All I remember is Bevelle and Ronsoland. Calm lands and Zanarkand are brief aren't they?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 10:26:32 PM
Well, that's the target audience of FF. Adults certainly aren't.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Raban on March 27, 2014, 11:51:08 PM
all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series.  it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows.  maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure?  zack in crisis core kinda?  laguna? 

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'.  serviceable, sure.  taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah.  fantastic?  no, come on.  it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.
you know I've always wanted to say exactly this but I was always afraid I'd get dogpiled on. Thank you.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 27, 2014, 11:55:13 PM
Really? It's a common opinion.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 28, 2014, 12:07:32 AM
I'm sorry FF writing dosent hit the high bar set by Metriod other m.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 12:13:27 AM
:aah :dead
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Raban on March 28, 2014, 12:18:08 AM
I'm sorry FF writing dosent hit the high bar set by Metriod other m.
:rofl
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 28, 2014, 12:46:48 AM
It's ok. I like Final Fantasy XIII.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 28, 2014, 07:29:28 AM
all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series.  it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows.  maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure?  zack in crisis core kinda?  laguna? 

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'.  serviceable, sure.  taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah.  fantastic?  no, come on.  it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

it's no secret that himuro has super low standards when he is estastic over a 10 year old FF game.

gameplay is fun in FFX. The rest is shit.

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 12:42:29 PM
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 28, 2014, 12:52:53 PM
They felt the Bevelle Temple design was 100% perfect I guess, ok
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 12:54:23 PM
you mean the cloister? It's terrible. But I find the Zanarkand cloister even worse.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 28, 2014, 03:32:34 PM
all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series.  it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows.  maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure?  zack in crisis core kinda?  laguna? 

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'.  serviceable, sure.  taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah.  fantastic?  no, come on.  it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

it's no secret that himuro has super low standards when he is estastic over a 10 year old FF game.

gameplay is fun in FFX. The rest is shit.
Very convincing argument.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 28, 2014, 03:40:13 PM
Zanarkand cloister is annoying cause you have to go back later to get the secret item to allow you to unlock Anima.

Question on the Dark Aeon stuff...do the fights start automatically when you enter the area they are in or do you have to talk to someone to start the fight? I need to go back to some sections for Al Bhed manuals and for Valefor's second overdrive but don't want to get trapped in some fight that I won't be able to win.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 03:42:13 PM
Rah let's double team on this nicca
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Zanarkand cloister is annoying cause you have to go back later to get the secret item to allow you to unlock Anima.

Question on the Dark Aeon stuff...do the fights start automatically when you enter the area they are in or do you have to talk to someone to start the fight? I need to go back to some sections for Al Bhed manuals and for Valefor's second overdrive but don't want to get trapped in some fight that I won't be able to win.

You cannot go inside besaid (town). A cut scene will trigger and you'll fight dark valefor. Depends on the dark aeon. Dark bahamut just fights you instantly if you get in that area. Dark Ixion you have to talk to people iirc.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 28, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
Goddamnit. Gonna have to level up before I can get that second Overdrive. :maf

Any dark aeons at the Moonflow? That's where my missing Al Bhed Primer is.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 03:50:38 PM
Quote
i) Dark Valefor (DAV)
LOCATION: Entrance to Besaid Village NOT beach. An event will occur where the
Summoner calls Yuna an infidel and sends Dark Valefor charging at you.

ii) Dark Ifrit (DAI)
LOCATION: Bikanel Island. The area before the entrance of Home, where you
started the Cactuar mini-game for Rikku’s Sigil. Talk to the Al Bhed
woman who claims she has lost her child in the ruins of Home, select Yes, then
watch the events that follow. When you walk to the cliff, the Al Bhed woman
will show herself as a Dark Summoner.

iii) Dark Ixion (DAIX)
LOCATION: Thunder Plains. Exit the Agency (where the airship drops you off)
and head north. Continue north and you notice a Bevelle solider resting under
a Lightning tower. Talk to him and he calls you a heathen and watch the events
that follow. You are required to fight Dark Ixion twice.

iv) Dark Shiva (DAS)
LOCATION: Head back to Macalania Temple. Walk to the entrance and the old
Guado will summon Dark Shiva who snaps at you.

v) Dark Bahamut (DAB)
LOCATION: Zanarkand Ruins, at the area where you fought Yunalesca. Dark
Bahamut will self-station himself there.

vi) Dark Yojimbo (DAYO)
LOCATION: Cavern of the Stolen Fayth, go to the back of the cavern using
either the teleport pad or walking there, then head back to the direction of
the Save Sphere and watch the events that follow. You are required to fight
Dark Yojimbo FIVE times.

vii) Dark Anima (DAA)
LOCATION: Mt.Gagazet. From the point where the airship drops you off, take the
teleport pad to ‘Cave Entrance’. This was the cave where you had
to solve a simple puzzle to form paths leading to the summit. Anyways, head
north downwards (do not take the stairs leading up) and then swim towards
north. Remember the ball-throwing puzzle? Do it again and when you hit the
center, Dark Anima will be pulled out of the ground. Save before fighting.


viii) Dark Magus Sisters (DAMS)
LOCATION FOR ALL 3: Mushroom Rock Road, enter via exit of Mi’ihen
Highroad. Walk in between the 2 summoners who are talking to each other, a
scene will occur. Run to the left at the nearest fork. Take the elevator up
and a cat and mouse chase game will occur. Your objective is to run until
Cindy (the fat one tires out). But if you are good enough, you can make it to
the end of the valley, take the elevator up, after the short scene, BEAT THEM
UP ONE BY ONE! Dark Cindy will be at the same place where she tired out.
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Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 28, 2014, 03:52:35 PM
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You are required to fight Dark Yojimbo FIVE times.
:kobeyuck
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
:shaq

Bring it.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 28, 2014, 04:06:23 PM
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.

talking to himuro is like talking to a sassy black girl

"what do you mean my dress doesn't match? haven't you seen your shoes gurlllllllll! :gurl"
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 04:08:52 PM
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.

talking to himuro is like talking to a sassy black girl

"what do you mean my dress doesn't match? haven't you seen your shoes gurlllllllll! :gurl"

Someone tell him.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 28, 2014, 04:13:27 PM
Tell him what? You certainly aren't anywhere near sassy or black.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 05:00:23 PM
TELL HIM.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 05:46:17 PM
dun care :tocry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 06:49:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/CH7dOiy.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Seyt7dR.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=236UImGx1q0
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 28, 2014, 07:04:29 PM
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.

Like it is hard to find a better story than FFX? Since you shat on Tales I might as well say Tales of the Abyss. Atleast it has some real character development with Luke being an asshole the first half of the game to really become regretful and decent the other half.

edit: congrats on dodging lightning 200 times in a row. It was sooooo boring and I dont remember the award. Atleast I THINK it was something good.

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 28, 2014, 07:14:19 PM
Is it fair to say that X's story is really well executed then? Sure it's cliched (it's a jrpg) but it doesn't suck either. And Vesperia has a good plot too. Jrpgtards are a dying breed, get along damn it.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
X's story is :heartbeat
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 07:19:25 PM
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.

Like it is hard to find a better story than FFX? Since you shat on Tales I might as well say Tales of the Abyss. Atleast it has some real character development with Luke being an asshole the first half of the game to really become regretful and decent the other half.

edit: congrats on dodging lightning 200 times in a row. It was sooooo boring and I dont remember the award. Atleast I THINK it was something good.

Thanks! The trick is to listen to your favorite album. By the 4th or 5th track - assuming they're full length songs - you should have it.

Also, this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNjKL7aZY4E#t=62

makes it easy.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 28, 2014, 07:24:30 PM
Yuna acting the ways she does in X2 doesn't make any sense considering what her main motive is plotwise. But hey, dresspheres? :uguu
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 28, 2014, 07:26:04 PM

Is it fair to say that X's story is really well executed then? Sure it's cliched (it's a jrpg) but it doesn't suck either. And Vesperia has a good plot too. Jrpgtards are a dying breed, get along damn it.

ah-ah-ah-ah

no

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edit: congrats on dodging lightning 200 times in a row. It was sooooo boring and I dont remember the award. Atleast I THINK it was something good.

you get lulu ultimate weapon, which is basicaly useless since her limit sucks way more compared to the like of tidus,wakka,auron and rikku

It's decent enough on the whole by genre standards, I'd say.

i remember really liking FFX plot when it was the first time i went through the game,heck i even got all emotional during the ending but it was the time when square was a shining beacon of light that could do no wrong so i'm not sure it would be the same today

that said wakka wouldn't certainly be the thing i would point as the good parts
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 07:34:56 PM
Yuna acting the ways she does in X2 doesn't make any sense considering what her main motive is plotwise. But hey, dresspheres? :uguu

actually, it makes plenty of sense. she lived her entire life as a yevonite. It has proved to be false. Without Sin, Spira now has the opportunity to change and actually live life. Yuna doesn't have any reason to be the old person she used to be. Plus, she gets most of her stuff from Rikku who she mimics to try and find herself. Plus, you are forgetting the main reason Yuna acts reserved and conservative in FFX is Sin. She wants to defeat Sin, she guards her feelings and emotions because she's literally on a journey to die. She can't live a full life like everyone else can, and this makes her more reserved because she can't have what she always wants, and thinks in a way that will always benefit Spira.

Without Sin and Yevon, why does Yuna have any reason to remain a conservative, reserved young woman two years after she saves the world and can finally live the life she always wanted?

I think X-2's "real" ending ruin X's story, but not the bulk of X-2.

But I've been arguing this for ten years and I'm old.



ah-ah-ah-ah

no

i remember really liking FFX plot when it was the first time i went through the game,heck i even got all emotional during the ending but it was the time when square was a shining beacon of light that could do no wrong so i'm not sure it would be the same today

"I remember really liking FFX's story when it first came out, but now I don't like it because I don't like Square anymore."

:what
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 28, 2014, 07:36:32 PM
There's actually plenty of character development in FFX.

I mean you have the two leads who basically do build off of each other. Yuna starts off clearly as someone who is shouldering all the "troubles" on her. She has to, she's Brasaka's daughter. The legacy of that as far as she is concerned has pushed her into this destiny that she herself feels like she has to live up to. I mean the game does constantly remind you of this. Contrast this to Tidus who also is suffocated with the legacy of his father, but instead he just hates his father but has never found closure in it. So he understands Yuna and they can relate. It's just that Yuna needs that push, that reason  to strike away from this destiny she's forced on herself. She needs to stop sentencing herself to death. Tidus does that, in part because he dosen't no any better, but also because he's just a constant source of inspiration to her, to everybody. That's why I like Tidus, he's the most carefree, nice and inspirational lead in the modern 3d FFs. His spirit rises everyone to fight this system basically. Yuna already is a pretty strong and dedicated person, but in the game she actually becomes a hopeful and strong person. She also becomes her own person, because a lot of what she's been doing in the game is for the greater good and not herself.

Tidus too develops. I think he starts off as a pretty silly and carefree sporty dude. He clearly has father issues in that he can't get out of the shadow of his father(like Yuna). Through his journey though he does find strength, strength enough to say that he hates his father to him. Something he couldn't really do before. But it's also that he realizes that he hates and loves his father. He realizes what his actual problems with his dad was. This is all through his interactions with Yuna.  Tidus really becomes a more serious person over the story, kind of coming of age but I don't think FFX is really a coming of age story. He does mature though.

Other characters have their fair share of development.

Wakka is such a narrow minded religious person. Nice guy, but he believes everything Yevon says without reason. When he finds out about Yevon, his life is shattered. He realizes he hate for the Al Behd was wrong. He mellows out really.

Lulu is an ice queen and pretty much can;t get over her past with Wakka's brother.  Again, she mellows out and comes to terms with this. Enough to start a relationship with Wakka.

None of this is the best thing ever, but it does have actual characters who have development. Does Auron? No, but he dosen't need to. He's the old man character, but he's done well. A loyal wise old man, but not emotionless. He cares and loves his friends. There is an aspect of bitterness to him as the reality of Yevon did break him somewhat. Still, he just channeled that into a new resolve. Again he's an actual character with a personality.

Rikku is bubbly cute girl sure. Whatever, she's entertaining enough. Kimiarhi is noble proud warrior race. It's weak, but never offended me.

The game has a solid story. It presents a cool world with the death theme cleverly crafted into it. Spira is a well thought out game world. You understand it's politics, atmosphere, people, and history all pretty well. Well enough for the game to feel like something and it's all pretty much in service to the story.

Compare this to a Tales game where the worlds all feel like the same generic fantasy. Spira feels unique and actually about something.

I like the characters. I feel like the love story between Yuna and Tidus makes sense and is natural. They understand each other because they are very similar and both become stronger because of each other.

I don't know, there's a lot to say about this game. A lot about it that I like. I'm not sure what makes the story bad honestly. I don't think it's the greatest thing ever, but it has enough depth to do what it does. Video game stories are like super hero comic books to me. I don't expect the best writing ever and by definition they are ridiculous things requiring so much suspension of disbelief to work. Good video game stories though give good reasons as to why your suspension of disbelief should work. Good video game stories at least attempt to have some thought out characters. Have a plot that attempts to have some themes or meaning. For the most part I think FFX does and succeeds.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 07:37:40 PM
Thanks Rah. :heartbeat
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 28, 2014, 07:45:28 PM
geez himuro i didn't say that! see what i meant before? you have to twist everything in the most bitchy way possible, you want a list of other games i like so that you can point the rightfull horror about how wrong i are next time or is knowing i like FF13 enough? :beli
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 07:46:20 PM
I think you're forgetting Lulu's role of the explainer, Rah. She's one of the most important characters, because she explains Spira's histories and lore and all the mechanisms for which they live. Also, Lulu's story in relation to her two failed voyages as a guardian.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 07:47:45 PM
geez himuro i didn't say that! see what i meant before? you have to twist everything in the most bitchy way possible, you want a list of other games i like so that you can point the rightfull horror about how wrong i are next time or is knowing i like FF13 enough? :beli

But that is what you said.

You even admitted to getting emotional to the ending. You have offered no rebuttal. Only "ah ah ah no" and "I used to like it, but that was when Square could do no wrong so now I don't"

So how do you expect someone to interact with that?
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Post by: magus on March 28, 2014, 07:49:15 PM
oooooohhhhhh i'm sorry, let me correct that

Quote
Jrpgtards are a dying breed, get along damn it.

there that's what i wanted to quote instead of the whole message, pinky swear :lol
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 28, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
There's a lot I didn't say because I forgot or don't know how to put into writing. FFX has plenty going on.  It's a good game with a good story. I like video game stories or am at least open to liking them. Again, I don't expect some fantastic art or anything. I expect something entertaining and with something I can think about enough. I'm asking for characters who have some sort of personalty and character to them going on. If they are stereotypes, that's fine. Just execute them well. Being anime sterotypes is ok, just give me something to latch unto.

A lot of anime characters have that "I want to protect" thing going on. It's pretty boring, but more so when being that dude is all they have going on. I liked Simon in Gurren Lagann because while he was a pretty simple stock character, he had the heartfelt and well done relationship with Kamnia. He was still presented as this hot blooded dork and the show presented him as this superhero inspirational dude who wouldn't stop. Other times a good show will try to present the main character as flawed or flawed enough. I don't know, either way they do something. Something that I can at least chew on in my mass market fun entertainment.

FFX mostly does this well with Tidus and his relationship with Yuna and whatnot. There's something to talk about the character and thats at least the first step to making an ok story. So I like it.

I think most FFs have done this. They offer cool and unique worlds. Interesting plots with enough characters with something to grab on.

Whatever, there's no reason I have to justify what I like. I don't even need to keep adding something like "it's a good story for a videogame". I like the story and plot, it's entertaining to me and I get something out of it. Thats really all I need.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 08:08:54 PM
FFX's world has the politics down, culture, history, past times, recreation. It is one of the few rpg worlds that doesn't feel like it was just made in a vacuum of genre tropes. Not that FFX doesn't have cliches and tropes, but the way Square crafted the world was fairly unique  at the time, and still is now too.

Square did a good job with that game.

I like game stories too, Rah. I just like getting stuck in a  game world. It's like reading a book, you forget your place. It's just about the pages in that book. Game stories - good game stories - are the same way for me. They're things that I get immersed in and captivate my imagination. FFX does this exceedingly well.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 08:25:21 PM
Were they really disrespecting the spring, though? It's been a while since I've seen it. I'll see it on my replay.

You're right about FFX's story being final. Pretty much most FF endings typically are. I didn't want a sequel to FFX when Eternal Calm came out. I liked we got to see more of Yuna, but it didn't seem right. But I've made my peace with it. Then again, I'm of the mind that FFX-2's very creation shat on the entire series' legacy as a whole. But I still love it as a game, and I enjoy some of its story, because again, I fucking love Spira dude.

As for Lulu, I don't know. It makes sense. How else are we going to understand things like the sending? Tidus, not familiar with it, isn't going to get what is going on. How else do they explain Tidus' confusion? They could have have had him narrate - and they did - but without Lulu explaining what's going on, it doesn't come off as realistic. That said yeah, she's an exposition character.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 28, 2014, 08:57:04 PM
I don't think Lulu's that bad. Yeah you don't need to explain everything, but I don't think she ever over explains. Plus the game justifies it with Tidus not knowing anything and the fact the she is well versed in being a guardian. Plus it plays it into her kind of bitchness and the fact that she's kind of the mother of the group. She at first talks down to Tidus because she has a low opinion of him, so she explains in kind of a bitchy manner. She's also the one that seems to make most of the choices and be the wisest until Auron comes, so of course she explains things.

As for X-2. I think it ruins things. I'm not really a fan of sequels to stories that had a conclusion. X had a good conclusion and it was opened ended enough that it could be happy if you wanted it to. X-2 takes that nice ambiguity away and cheapens the end of X.

Whatever, looks like they cheapened the good ending of X-2 as well with the new audio drama.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
Lulu: Who...are you? :goty2
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 28, 2014, 11:45:47 PM
It's easy to find a better story than FFX. Shadow Hearts came out that same fucking year.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 28, 2014, 11:55:48 PM
Wow
Such arguing
Very thread
Much FF
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 29, 2014, 12:03:28 AM
CAN WE ALL JUST HUG???

Love and peace?

I forgot how GRINDY the end game of ffx is. ahahahahaha
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Post by: Trent Dole on March 29, 2014, 12:16:39 AM
The end of most FFs is grindy as fuck. I think I spent at least a week running back in forth in one dungeon to level for the last fight in X2.
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Post by: Himu on March 29, 2014, 12:19:07 AM
I wouldn't say they're as grindy as FFX. You can beat X-2 final boss and dungeon with just trigger happy + cat nip. I always kill X-2's final boss in 10 seconds with trigger happy. the real hard part in x-2 is via infinito.
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Post by: Positive Touch on March 29, 2014, 07:07:57 AM
not really getting how x-2's ending ruins x when x's post-credits scene does such a good job of that itself
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2014, 07:25:57 AM
edit-nvm.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on March 29, 2014, 08:45:05 AM
spoilers just in case anyone cares about the endings of ten year old games

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the post-credits scene is ambiguous about meg ryan's fate, and i had always read it as symbolic, like emerging from the water was standing in for being sent or w/e.  ffx-2 (it's not just the ending that wrecks things, mind, it's the whole story) is unambiguous.  meg ryan has magically come back from the dead, and the real cost that yuna had to pay to do the right thing (tm) turns out to not have cost her anything.  wow, happy endings for everyone!  it's a shitty thing to do to a story that had the stones to create a bittersweet ending in the most mainstreamy of mainstream RPG series.  it completely ruins the weight of that sacrifice and their last bit of time together knowing that actually, deus ex machina says every little thing's gonna be alright!
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i see that but i always felt it was too specific. yuna stands on a dock using their secret code for "get your ass back home NOW; underwater tidus wakes his ass up and swims for the shore. use imagination to insert whatever faith-based deus ex machina you can think of, and bam happy ending
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Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 29, 2014, 09:25:39 AM
I can see both points. :obama

We have our own interpretations of endings. I for instance think all of humanity dies in FF7's ending.

I think Tidus COULD have revived at the end of FFX. But at the same time it could have just been symbolic like Oscar said.

Also isn't the sacrifice in this case more Tidus' than Yuna's? They trade places. Yuna is on a journey to die in FFX, they change that and find another way but this other way requires for Tidus to die. Tidus is the one to make that sacrifice, not Yuna. That's why I think the real ending is a cop out. Tidus sacrificed everything - a future with Yuna, a happy life - for the woman he loved and the world and friends he came to appreciate, and for the father he both loved and hated. Remember, Tidus HIDES what's going to happen from Yuna. She doesn't know.

FFX's ending is about Tidus as it is about Yuna. Reviving him ruins all of this. That said I can see why they'd revive him because X's ending can be kind of a downer as much as an upper. Plus there's hints they wanted to revive him in the ending.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 29, 2014, 05:29:18 PM
i like girl power and dumb games i want to play ffx-2 but im real bad at rpgs can i just smash x to victory in that or do i have to be good
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 29, 2014, 05:50:32 PM
Trigger Happy is literally just mashing X so you'll be the best player ever.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 29, 2014, 05:51:02 PM
sounds godo to me then, can't wait to lvie out my female fantasies
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 29, 2014, 05:57:17 PM
You can dress in fursuits too so it's pretty much made for every fetish
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on March 29, 2014, 06:10:00 PM
I watched the gb quick look of these and X2 is somehow even more dumb and ridiculous than I remember so you'll have fun with it for sure dude.
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Post by: nachobro on March 29, 2014, 10:15:40 PM
Chocono Racing time: 2.3  :gloomy
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Post by: Himu on March 29, 2014, 10:21:07 PM
You can do it!

Making good progress. Kicked Sin's ass, kicked Seymour's ass. Maxed Rikku and Lulu weapons, maxed Auron's weapon, now in chamber of the stolen fayth about to kick Yojimbo's ass. Then it is time to kick Belgehime's butt and then finish Magus sisters with a strap on and get Yuna's celestial. Afterr that it leaves Kimahri and Wakka's celestials. That'll take a few days.

Don To berry unlocked, One Eye unlocked, Omega ruins unlocked. I'll be leveling inside Sin till I can handle Omega. Then it is time to kill One Eye to grab triple ap and triple overdrive weapons which I will craft Overdrive -> AP onto and farm Don Tonberry for sphere levels.

Should take two to four more weeks and quite a lot more hours but I'm closing in on the Platinum.
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Post by: Himu on March 29, 2014, 10:22:48 PM
Also, if SE makes FFX3 I will scream. If they revive Sin as shown in FFX 2.5 I will be so mad. It was the eternal calm for a reason, dipshits. Hopefully it bombs if they make it and clue those fuckers in. Really wish they'd make a Braska prequel. But noooooo. :maf
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Post by: nachobro on March 29, 2014, 10:25:39 PM
1.5  >:(
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 29, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
Haha. Get one more balloon and you got it. Shouldn't be long now.

Btw final Seymour battle theme on HD Remaster is wowowowowow. SO gooooooooood on hdtv set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjDvosAj6ow

Perfect battle theme. One of the greatest in FF history, in remastered stereo sound.  :jawalrus :gladbron :lawd :mouf :mynicca :aah :noah :whoo :whew

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 29, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
omg i had it but then on that second turn i got locked down by 4 goddamn birds  :maf :'(
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 29, 2014, 10:36:24 PM
Great thing about remastered Seymour battle theme is it sounds even more similar to GOAT final battle theme.  :jawalrus

http://youtu.be/RVkcmx2l3WA
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 29, 2014, 11:23:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/voFe5Gb.jpg)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 12:02:43 AM
Welcome to the club, breh. :jawalrus

As for me, Yojimbo, Magus Sisters, Yuna Celestial acquired.

What's that Yojimbo?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhkfevUdgs1qf7r5lo1_500.gif)

Knocked him out in like 4 hits. Was hilarious.
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Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 12:28:12 AM
Now just make sure to never let him die, never pay him less than 1024 gil, and never dismiss him without having him attack at least once. Improve dat Zanmato chance!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 30, 2014, 12:52:14 AM
It's easy to find a better story than FFX. Shadow Hearts came out that same fucking year.

I wish Sony would put up Shadow Hearts, Dark Cloud 2 and Rogue Galaxy on psn
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Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 01:06:28 AM
Dark Cloud psn :lawd
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2014, 06:32:47 AM
Are the Shadow Hearts games long or hard? I have all three of them, just never got around to playing them.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 30, 2014, 06:53:22 AM
Are the Shadow Hearts games long or hard? I have all three of them, just never got around to playing them.

i don't really remember how long they are but they aren't particulary hard games at all...

...that said shadow hearts 2 is full of stuff to do and half of them is dumb as fuck, like the sidequest where you have to find muscleman magazine to give to a pair of gay tailors so that they can make new dress for one of the character, one of the character you get is a wolf and he enters a tournament where he gets to fight other wolf, including this amazing terry bogard wannabe

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100718134133/shadowhearts/images/5/57/Kelly.gif)

really it's worth playing for that alone
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Post by: Rufus on March 30, 2014, 07:01:33 AM
Don't forget the Man Festival.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 30, 2014, 08:00:58 AM
I miss the mini games in the FF series. I hope FF15 brings them back but i would guess nope.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 11:41:21 AM
Shadow Hearts 2 is terrible.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rufus on March 30, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
What!? :maf
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
Shadow Hearts 2 is terrible.
:comeon
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 01:04:06 PM
I have never understood why people like that game. The first was better. Terrible pacing, terrible characters, bland environments, towns that are one screen, solid battle system mired with obtuse customization systems, homophobic characters, bad writing, and the worst kind of cheese.

I gave about 15-20 hours of my life to that game. And it was one of the most apathetic, boring game experiences of my life. Suikoden IV and Xenosaga II were better. Never mind its peers, SMTN and later, DDS. One of the most awful rpgs I've ever seen RPG fans latch on to. Trash game.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 01:26:17 PM
I liked (parts of) Xenosaga Ep2  :-\

Maybe I just bad taste lol. I also haven't played SH2 since it came out. Perhaps a decade older me wouldn't find it as entertaining.

EDIT: Now that I have Yojimbo, I think I'll just Zanmato the fuck out of Dark Valefor. That should solve the problem of getting back into Besaid. I've read that the % of getting it in the International Version is actually higher. Curious if that is true.
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Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 01:29:10 PM
I wouldn't say you have bad taste. SH2:C is regarded as one of the best rpgs on the ps2. That's the part I don't get.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 01:31:16 PM
I was referring to the Xenosaga Ep2 love, heh. I liked the battles in that game. The cutscenes doe...good christ.  :zzz
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
Hm I think I fucked up with Auron's SG path. Almost have it completed I think, but I somehow didn't grab Zombie Attack and it's all the fucking way back at the beginning.  :maf
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 01:39:48 PM
XS2 battle system is pretty fun, at its best. At its worst it is very tedious.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
Expert Grid can fuck you up. I have Lulu almost done with her path. Flare is on the opposite end of the grid where Rikku is. You have toteleport where Rikku is to finish Lu's path. It isn't even connected to her path. I was looking around the grid for five minutes trying to jot down a path. Wakka's grid ends too early and I've been trying to make sure I got all his stuff. The end of Rikku's path has all of these goddamn forks. Like I went way out of my way to get bribe for instance. And I forgot Zombie attack is an Auron skill. I have Wakka going down Auron's path now.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 01:48:03 PM
I realized why I didn't get Zombie now, it has a Lv3 lock before it. I guess I'll finish up Auron's path and get useless ass Entrust, then use a Return Sphere, get Zombie, then put him down Wakka's path since it's right next to his. Zombie attack is nice cause it helps on Braska's Final Aeon and Yu Yevon.

Everyone else seems to be pretty much on path. I have Lulu going for Doublecast since I don't have the three Lv4 key spheres for Ultima, then I'll backtrack her, then have her teleport to Rikku, probably put her on Yuna's path after cause why the fuck not.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
4 level 4 spheres required to unlock Ultima. :stahp
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 01:53:33 PM
IIRC Auto-Life also requires a bunch.  :-\ Holy and Full-Life might require some too. I haven't checked that far on Yuna's path to find out.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 01:54:10 PM
Expert grid :rejoice :stahp
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 01:54:57 PM
I don't really use Holy a lot but I like the look and sound when casting the spell so I usually get it lol
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 01:57:40 PM
Holy is hella useful. Wish I had it when I fought Sin. Still don't have Holy lol.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 01:59:41 PM
I did hella grinding in Calm Lands so I've almost got it. Should have it by the end of Gagazet. Then I might try and get Doublecast with a Skill Sphere. That + One MP Cost should make for an easier Sin fight.

Can you use the airship before that Sin fight to go all over or only after you've busted him open? I can't remember.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
As soon as you beat Yunalesca you get the airship. You can go anywhere. Sin is an added location. You can hold off before going. I went in because it is a good leveling location and I'm still too weak for Omega.

Btw get the sun crest immediately after beating Yunalesca or you'll fight Dark Bahamut when you come back for it.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2014, 02:08:59 PM
Nice.

My usually airship route is back to Zanarkand cloister for the secret item, then Geosegano for No Encounters wep (if I'm lucky) and Anima. Then Rikku, Lulu, Kimahri, and Auron's ultimates. Then I do the rest of the Aeon fights in the temple for Magus Sisters and Nirvana maxed.

Then bust open Sin, grind in there, do Omega, and then finish the game. There's more content now so I'll give the Dark Aeons and Penance a shot. Not gonna worry too much about those if I can't get them though. I can always come back after X-2.

EDIT: Also gonna skip Blitzball for right now too. Not feeling it too much at the moment.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 30, 2014, 02:36:44 PM
International edition made FFX a lot better.

That's why I am planning to play FF12int as soon as I finish FFX13-3 on hard mode.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
FFX regular version. :zzz

Expert grid :bow
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 30, 2014, 02:43:06 PM
FFX regular version. :zzz

Expert grid :bow

that's why you americans got screwed over for 12 years or so.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Are the Shadow Hearts games long or hard? I have all three of them, just never got around to playing them.
The first and third have difficult bosses from time to time, but the second game is pretty easy. That said, it also depends on how good your timing skills are.

The first SH IS better than Covenant, but Covenant far from terrible, and is better than FFX at least.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rufus on March 30, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
The Judgement Ring.  :bow2
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2014, 05:53:26 PM
Well I very much doubt it's better then FFX(to me at least since FFX is my top 1 game), but I'll play through the SH games this summer.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
SH: Covenant is basically FFX if it took itself so much less seriously. And there's some seriously good writing. That said, however, the first game is much stronger in most aspects and was probably the best RPG release of 2001.

DO NOT play them out of order though. Play them as they were released. Covenant's most important plot beats are stronger because of playing the first game (even with Covenant's rushed recap).
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
Covenant. :yuck
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 06:51:53 PM
no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDUEPvuVyI
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 30, 2014, 07:21:16 PM
covenant is a good game that would have gotten a mention of honor if only for the fact that it happens during real world event using real historical character (princess anastasia for example join you as a photographer loli (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080305040439/shadowhearts/images/1/10/Anastasia.jpg))

then you add that it's a game that doesn't take itself seriously and that it has tons of offbeat moments (some mentioned above,another that happens often is the party making fun of this minor villain who looks like he came straight out of fist of the north star (http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100629110321/shadowhearts/images/1/15/Shc_monster_028.jpg)) and that adds it's to the charm

even with it's goofy element there is a pretty big plot behind it with character from the previous games returning and the like,it's interessing when you play both game back to back... then there is the fact,that the game pays a lot of attention to details,every item you find has a different pic and very detailed description... those muscleman magazine? they have their own pics and backstory (http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/shadowhearts/studcard2.jpg)

even when you discount all of this,it's still a pretty solid rpg, go in a dungeon,punch monsters,find treasure,learn new skills, solve side quest (there is one where one of your party members gain new weapon by detaching random stuff from the background including a mailbox and a giant frozen tuna, the same guy also learn new moves by fighting real life wrestler the great gama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gama)) the character all have different gimmick a-la FF9 (princess anastasia photocamera is used to learn enemy skills for example, there is another character that can buff other character by using perfume's) and the battle system use this gimmick know as judgement ring where every action you take you have to play a timing minigame,the timing change from weapon to weapon and each weapon can also be customized to make the timing less strict or adding more attack (which often involve some amusing 4th wall breaking dialogue with an entity know as the ring god)

i wouldn't go as far as say that it's better than FFX but it's 100% bona fide better than X-2 at least, with funny cheesy scenes that are actualy funny and sidequest that don't involve fetching monkeys or chasing cactuars

now, new world (the third one) that one i don't like even if on surface it's made of the same element of the two previous game... i kinda blame it on a mix of franchise fatigue, plot that doesn't really involve the previous games and awfull pacing
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 30, 2014, 07:25:21 PM
I remember watching the original trailer for Covenant, so legit. Haters jump off a cliff.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rufus on March 30, 2014, 07:26:40 PM
Yeah, New World sucked. It had a litte bit of the prior games' quirkiness, but it was forgettable on the whole. The characters weren't nearly as charming either. I think the combat system was good though. Lots of combo opportunities, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 07:44:21 PM
SH:C is stupid.

A character named Gepetto who uses stringed dolls to attack.

Then cutscenes like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YKb06ERDYs

Terrible.

I'll take my gay background dancers, thank you very much.

I love cheese. But SHC is too weaboo and silly for me.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 07:45:48 PM
no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDUEPvuVyI

I remember selling SHC after plunking 20 hours into it. Then someone told me that Mitsuda did the soundtrack. I laughed at him, because the soundtrack was so forgettable and I refused to believe it was Mitsuda.

I still do to this day.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rufus on March 30, 2014, 07:47:40 PM
But that's part of what makes it good, Himurin.  :heart The silliness, not the soundtrack. Quit doubleposting.  >:(
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 07:50:26 PM
Ugh.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Raban on March 30, 2014, 07:51:12 PM
I'll take my gay background dancers, thank you very much.

I love cheese. But SHC is too weaboo and silly for me.
:hitler
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 30, 2014, 07:52:57 PM
it's a good thing himu never got as far as the man festival because he would throw such a fit :heh

in fact i now have to post the whole thing here for laughs, please if you haven't played shadow hearts and intend to do so don't open this spoiler

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZsHIAoTgZM
[close]
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 07:56:30 PM
Anyone who says any of the Shadow Hearts' soundtracks are forgettable is wrong about absolutely everything ever henceforth. Jesus fucking christ wow. And ffs, it wasn't just Mitsuda, it was also Hirota, who is at times a better composer  than Uematsu + Hamauzu combined.

I love that Gepetto using dolls to attack is a complaint. You DO know who Gepetto is, right? Fucking wow.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 07:58:03 PM
I'll take my gay background dancers, thank you very much.

I love cheese. But SHC is too weaboo and silly for me.
:hitler

That's kind of how comedy works.

I like some 00's weeaboo stuff, but some of it is random and what the fuck like that scene I posted from SHC.

Magus finds SHC funny; I find it obnoxious and stupid.

That's the thing about comedy.

Anyone who says any of the Shadow Hearts' soundtracks are forgettable is wrong about absolutely everything ever henceforth. Jesus fucking christ wow. And ffs, it wasn't just Mitsuda, it was also Hirota, who is at times a better composer  than Uematsu + Hamauzu combined.

I love that Gepetto using dolls to attack is a complaint. You DO know who Gepetto is, right? Fucking wow.

Dude, that song you posted is trash. Mitsuda went from Chrono Trigger, fucking Xenogears, and goddamn Chrono Cross to that.

You must be fucking joking.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:01:47 PM
You are absolutely the only person who has ever not liked the Astaroth boss theme. Your opinions are totally invalidated.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:02:51 PM
it's a good thing himu never got as far as the man festival because he would throw such a fit :heh

in fact i now have to post the whole thing here for laughs, please if you haven't played shadow hearts and intend to do so don't open this spoiler

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZsHIAoTgZM
[close]

I'm like in a weird mode of thought here. I think I did this. But at the same time, I don't think I did this. Memory is weird, fuck.

That is pretty fucking stupid though. It's like I'm watching a bad anime. Fuck.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2014, 08:04:17 PM
Get mad about our obscure jrpgs that no one cares about brehs.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just wanted to do this breh thing everyone keeps doing
[close]
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:05:23 PM
I love that Gepetto using dolls to attack is a complaint. You DO know who Gepetto is, right? Fucking wow.

I know who it is. It's still stupid.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 30, 2014, 08:05:27 PM
Just checked and unfortunately the real Shadow Hearts 1  -- Koudelka, is not on Vita.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2014, 08:06:41 PM
Just checked and unfortunately the real Shadow Hearts 1  -- Koudelka, is not on Vita.
Yeah I looked into that, but it's pretty expensive to get a copy.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:07:26 PM
Kodelka :yuck

Get mad about our obscure jrpgs that no one cares about brehs.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just wanted to do this breh thing everyone keeps doing
[close]

I don't think anyone is really mad. It's hard to be mad. SHC came ten years ago. It's more like a bunch of old people talking at a bar about old times and them disagreeing.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:07:47 PM
Just checked and unfortunately the real Shadow Hearts 1  -- Koudelka, is not on Vita.
Koudelka is a great game with unfortunate gameplay decisions. The voice acting, in particular, is amazing for 1999. Some of the best atmosphere a jRPG has ever had, though. Better than Himu's faves.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:09:08 PM
Koudelka was Jade Cocoon status. Actually, lower than that, to be honest.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:11:04 PM
Cool. did you play it? No, probably not? Ok then.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:13:33 PM
The gameplay in Koudelka is extremely dated even by 1999 standards.

Just checked and unfortunately the real Shadow Hearts 1  -- Koudelka, is not on Vita.
Koudelka is a great game with unfortunate gameplay decisions. The voice acting, in particular, is amazing for 1999. Some of the best atmosphere a jRPG has ever had, though. Better than Himu's faves.

(http://i.minus.com/ibi88kMEIkoH8o.gif)

As if.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:15:49 PM
God you're being a fucking idiot. I played all of Koudelka, and 100%'d it. The game has really great voice acting, that used  a good voice director (which FFX never had at all). It has, on occasion, good music as well. The animation work on the low-poly models are well done even for 1999. There are almost no other jRPGs that nail a survival horror feel as well as Koudelka does, either.

The gameplay is shit, yes. But the rest of the game is pretty solid.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:17:06 PM
God you're being a fucking idiot. I played all of Koudelka, and 100%'d it. The game has really great voice acting, that used  a good voice director (which FFX never had at all). It has, on occasion, good music as well. The animation work on the low-poly models are well done even for 1999. There are almost no other jRPGs that nail a survival horror feel as well as Koudelka does, either.

The gameplay is shit, yes. But the rest of the game is pretty solid.

:what

What you so mad, Zeph? :heh
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
I liked Koudelka.  Sacnoth did really well considering their lack of experience and low budget.

Exactly. It doesn't help that the development team had two very different ideas of how to construct the game and butted heads throughout its entire development process. But Kikuta definitely did some interesting research into the area Koudelka is set in in England and captured the dark underbelly of Victorian society.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:19:20 PM
The presentation is pretty great, though. But I could never excuse the battle system and its peers like Saiyuki came off a lot better to me.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:21:15 PM
I'm not trying to excuse the battle system -- it is bad. But as far as story, presentation, graphical fidelity, and voice acting, Koudelka is supremely underrated and quite the achievement considering the shoestring budget.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:25:10 PM
I completely agree with that. I think those are important assets to a game, especially rpgs, but when it comes to brass tacks, I'm always judging a game by its gameplay. If I'm not interested in its gameplay, even if its aesthetic and presentation are off the charts. It's hard for me to get into it.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:28:23 PM
then im not sure why you're ragging on the Shadow Hearts games which range from improved to near-perfect (From the New World) gameplay. and as far as obtuse mechanics, the game has detailed descriptions of absolutely everything in the game. What was confusing?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2014, 08:36:34 PM
then im not sure why you're ragging on the Shadow Hearts games which range from improved to near-perfect (From the New World) gameplay. and as far as obtuse mechanics, the game has detailed descriptions of absolutely everything in the game. What was confusing?

I never said it was confusing. I called it obtuse. Each characters, to my memory, had like three different ways to customize them. It started out great, because each character has their own means of customization, so they all feel unique in that they don't share customization elements. But then eventually, the hole goes deeper and deeper. I don't mean deeper as in game depth, I mean deeper as in more bullshit to deal with. It felt very extraneous to me. It has been ten years, so I don't know what it even is anymore. I just remember not liking it.

Also, I like SH1 a lot. SHC much, much less so. Never played 3 because of 2.

But the dungeons that I played were very simple, even by Xenosaga or 3d Final Fantasy (VII-X) standards. I wasn't challenged by the game, not that that's a prerequisite for good gameplay in an rpg. The battle system is solid, but rarely pushes the envelope. It was just a middling game experience for me, brought down by a sense of humor, writing, presentation, and story that I simply did not like. At all.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 10:28:09 PM
There are three, easily explained ways to customize characters:

-- Judgment Ring-based. Give them more hits with their regular attack, add special effects to said attack, as well as widen/shrink normal/critical areas. Incredibly intuitive.

-- Crest-based. Crests give a set of magic, even more when the set of Crests are aligned correctly in Solomon's Map. Considering this is actually a sidequest, its "obtuseness" is part of the quest. The riddles give you enough clues to place Crests correctly, though.

-- Skills-based. Each character learns skills through their own sidequests. These range from finding items, to winning fights, to collecting cards. Not really that different from other games. Not to mention that no skill is permanently missable.

The Judgment Ring is so far beyond "not pushing the envelope" it wraps around and dropkicks nearly every other jRPG battle system.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 31, 2014, 07:10:56 AM
Quote
That is pretty fucking stupid though. It's like I'm watching a bad anime. Fuck.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr2grbBFqq1qcnyswo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 31, 2014, 12:47:57 PM
I don't think that's the joke at all. It seems more like you guys are ENJOYING it and not LAUGHING AT it, whereas when I watch FFX-2 intro I'm fucking laughing my ass at how STUPID and absurd it is.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on March 31, 2014, 01:19:23 PM
jesus himuro, do you know how the rest of that sidequest goes? they fight a bunch of curry themed guys,then when they reach the top everybody goes "LEAVE THIS TO ME AND GO AHEAD!" including the fucking dog, do you even have a funny bone there or did you decide that nothing in this game is funny after the gay flamboyant tailors horribly offended you?

:snoop
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 31, 2014, 01:31:16 PM
 :oreilly
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 31, 2014, 01:59:47 PM
17 year old me was extremely asshurt at the intro to FFX-2. Now though, I'm looking forward to that game. I've replayed FFX plenty of times but haven't touched X-2 in probably 6-7 years.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on March 31, 2014, 03:31:06 PM
17 year old me was extremely asshurt at the intro to FFX-2. Now though, I'm looking forward to that game. I've replayed FFX plenty of times but haven't touched X-2 in probably 6-7 years.

did you finish it? I started that game like 8 years ago, but couldnt finish it.

replayed it 2 years ago and found it fantastic. (gameplay vise)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 31, 2014, 03:33:35 PM
Played about 150 hours of X-2 when it came out. Lurv.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 31, 2014, 04:23:47 PM
did you finish it? I started that game like 8 years ago, but couldnt finish it.

replayed it 2 years ago and found it fantastic. (gameplay vise)
Didn't finish it the first time, but I did the second time I played it. Never got 100% though.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 31, 2014, 07:35:30 PM
Yunalesca is such a dumb battle. I had her down to 6000 hp in her third form, had one person dead, one zombie/confused and one nonzombie. I stupidly used a remedy to cure the confusion, curing the zombie at the same time and wiping to Mega Death. Now to watch 15 minutes of cutscene again.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on March 31, 2014, 07:47:38 PM
It's more like five. Just go back and save when the party goes upstairs.

And that was kind of your fault on that game over, man. :(
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 31, 2014, 07:53:52 PM
I said that already, but the premise of a battle where 2/3rds of your actions are phoenix downs and eye drops isn't fun to start with.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 31, 2014, 09:23:09 PM
Nice, Sin's Core is exactly the same shit
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on March 31, 2014, 09:30:46 PM
sweet, so stop screwing up and kill it already
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 31, 2014, 10:08:01 PM
I didn't screw up, I beat it. But for a game with no ability to group heal or remove status bosses that hit all your dudes with status ailments turn into half hour slogs that require no thought.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on March 31, 2014, 10:52:36 PM
Yunalesca down. Grind time!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: tiesto on April 01, 2014, 12:18:55 AM
Haven't gotten around to Koudelka, but the Shadow Hearts series was fucking amazing, Covenant being my favorite.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: ZephyrFate on April 01, 2014, 01:03:59 AM
Haven't gotten around to Koudelka, but the Shadow Hearts series was fucking amazing, Covenant being my favorite.
I'd watch an LP. But the gameplay isn't completely unplayable, just slow. Speed up your emulator during them, and you'll be ok. The game is only sporadically difficult, and the atmosphere is unbelievable. It's basically the closest you can get to Silent Hill RPG.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 02, 2014, 12:04:34 AM
Got all the aeons and unlocked Yuna's ultimate. Also did Rikku's. Was working on Lulu's but got frustrated (83 was the max). Now I'm working on Auron's and I'll probably get back to lightning tomorrow.

So close to the end!  :D
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 02, 2014, 01:39:07 AM
Lulu's is easy dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNjKL7aZY4E

Did this in 15 minutes.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 02, 2014, 11:27:37 AM
Yeah it probably would have been much easier if I wasn't high lol. I'll get it tonight for sure.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 02, 2014, 11:28:20 AM
Really? I game better high. Haha
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 02, 2014, 12:44:40 PM
Depends for me but yesterday I just felt slower than normal and not able to focus, which probably wasn't helping my reactions too much.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 07, 2014, 04:14:48 PM
Got this yesterday before Wrasslemania:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkgBGtVCYAAOIdm.jpg)

Now to go fight Sin!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 07, 2014, 06:35:13 PM
Grats. Still slaving away with grindan. :( Have you beat Omega yet?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2014, 03:49:13 AM
Grooming Yojimbo for Zanmato to take out One Eye to grind for triple ap/triple overdrive equipment. Will handle that tomorrow and get everyone to 99 sphere levels, finish a few grids, then take on Omega Ruins with my new leveled characters and then go for dark valefor.

Nacho you didn't tell me what you thought of the Seymour battle song for the hd remaster. :rejoice
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 08, 2014, 01:27:47 PM
Grats. Still slaving away with grindan. :( Have you beat Omega yet?
That's the plan for today. He's got 999,999 hp in this version though  :o

Also the remixed Seymour battle song is top quality! Easily my favorite of the remixed jams. The music has been mostly hit for me, but there's a few misses. I really don't like the new Besaid Island song. I liked that they used the piano collections version of Via Purifico though. So good  :lawd
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 08, 2014, 01:34:43 PM
I already missed some Al Bhed books, I'm only up to the second Cloister, Kilika I think. I just havent sat down to play this. I almost wish I bought Vita version instead, since I have it with me. I may re-buy it if it goes on sale.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 08, 2014, 01:36:12 PM
19-22 are the only ones you can't get again (19-21 in Home and 22 in Bevelle Temple), at least I believe that is the case.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 08, 2014, 01:38:24 PM
Right, I know that, but it bugs me I missed them. Unless I can go back before the cutoff point for Dark Aeons?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 08, 2014, 01:41:04 PM
Yeah iirc once you fight sphereomorph or whatever you can actually run all the way back. Has to be right after that fight though.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2014, 04:02:55 PM
Omega has 999,999 hp in this one?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 08, 2014, 04:32:30 PM
Yep http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_Weapon_%28Final_Fantasy_X%29

Also it absorbs all elemental attacks, even Holy.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2014, 05:41:32 PM
:what

:leon

:what
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2014, 06:26:07 PM
Btw anyone else have issues with loading? Yuna is starting to do that thing she did on ps2 when summoning, where the game is loading the summon animation and she stands there summoning for like 3-5 seconds. Anyone getting this too?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 08, 2014, 06:53:17 PM
I remember that from PS2 but haven't seen it happen yet.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 08, 2014, 10:35:54 PM
Okay, Omega down. Spells I wanted learned (Auto-Life, Ultima, Flare, Copycat, Nova). Now time to finish the game!
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2014, 10:39:00 PM
Where is auto-life on the expert grid?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 08, 2014, 10:42:29 PM
Very top area, near the left. Same section as Quick Pockets, or just go left from Full-Life

EDIT: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120104031106/finalfantasy/images/0/0d/Expert_sphere_grid.jpg
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2014, 12:14:15 AM
I'm trying to get ribbon and other anti-status stuff on armor.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 09, 2014, 01:19:00 AM
Time for Braska's Final Aeon

"Let's end this"  :tocry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 09, 2014, 01:53:12 AM
I cried at the end. I always do. I don't care who knows.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 09, 2014, 01:57:47 AM
Dat Auron theme kicking in at the end.   :(
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 09, 2014, 08:52:06 AM
Vita/PS3 version $30 on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HD4R5RW/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00HD4R5RW&linkCode=as2&tag=thbo09f-20
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on April 09, 2014, 11:39:45 AM
Bomba?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2014, 12:24:02 PM
Couldn't be. The gaf thread has more posts than the LR thread. Same for here.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Raban on April 09, 2014, 01:31:49 PM
Yeah because obviously the best way to gauge the sales performance of a game is the combined activity of GAF and Bore threads about it. Oh wait...
(http://i.minus.com/iqZdQEM8TOrEG.png)
:heh
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2014, 01:42:36 PM
Bad comparison. Gaf thread is constantly active and had more posts than the LR thread before the game even came out.

Gaf thread has #10855 posts. LR Gaf thread has #4162 posts.

Seems we're going to see the same trend in NA as we did in Japan: X/X-2 HD Remaster >>>> LR :rejoice
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Raban on April 09, 2014, 01:49:49 PM
::) like there was any chance LR was going to outsell FFX HD. Shitty iOS ports of old FF games sell more than the FF13 games.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
Well, in any case, X/X-2 HD remaster is hardly a bomb and we don't even have numbers yet. It doesn't have the makings of a bomb.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 09, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
Gonna hop into X2 tonight. Played through X and watched Eternal Calm with the gf watching this whole time, curious what her reaction will be to X2.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2014, 09:13:59 PM
Naw. I'm just arguing that it's most likely not a bomb. When you post in a lot of niche game threads, as you know, you start to get a handle on how the game MIGHT have done based on the threads traffic: how many people bought it in this thread, how many people are playing it, how many posts does the thread have? It's not an indicator it sold great, but it is definitely an indicator it didn't BOMB. This being an hd port, it doesn't really need that much in order to not bomb anyways. I say this because I have posted in a lot of threads for games that are typically bombs or generally do not sell particularly well. Usually, when you get a game like that, thread traffic is slow and abrupt, especially on larger forums like Gaf. For Musou, for instance, we are lucky to have 5-10 people regularly talking about it and the sales numbers generally reflect this. For an hd port, the amount of people buying and talking about FFX/X-2 HD Remaster suggests that it's doing pretty well - ESPECIALLY for an hd port.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2014, 09:36:34 PM
Eh. Every time I posted in a niche game thread that didn't have much traffic, the game usually didn't do so well. It's not a fool proof indicator, but I think it tends to give an idea of performance if the forum is large enough. Of course, an idea, does not mean "that's what it did." An idea is merely an idea. I don't think FFX/X-2 HD Remastered bombed, and I think interest in it across the internet helps back that up. That doesn't mean I'm right, nor that it's true, and the only true metric for considering data is official sales numbers via npd, media create;etc. But what I'm talking about is usually a pretty decent early sign. Seen it happen multiple times before and time and time again.

For example, I don't have to know the sales numbers of Yumi's Odd Odyssey to know that it didn't sell particularly well. The gaf thread for instance has all of 3 pages, or 214 posts.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2014, 09:46:11 PM
I'm not saying I'm right. I could very well be wrong. And I'm not being "in yo face" at all except for Raban's post comparing a hardware thread to a software thread. My argument is merely: internet forums - especially large internet forums - are typically a good gauge for awareness. Nothing more.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on April 10, 2014, 02:55:52 AM
i get it; its kind of like how gaf talks about uncharted all the time and it went on to be one of the highest selling o wait
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on April 10, 2014, 07:41:43 AM
no, your argument was that the neogaf thread for x/x-2 hd is bigger than the neogaf thread for lightning returns, therefore its sales are probably higher.  which is silly.  by that logic, shin megami tensei iv should have outsold the fuck out of call of duty ghosts.  just wait for facts.  don't contribute to misinformation.

exactly, didn't the BF4 gaf thread outnumber cod ghost thread to like 5 to 1? Yet Cod Ghost is easily outperforming BF4 sales.

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 10, 2014, 07:53:31 AM
Yuna got kidnapped and is being raped by the Al Bhed psyches. Oh no
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2014, 02:53:07 PM
Yuna got kidnapped and is being raped by the Al Bhed psyches. Oh no

Sounds like this could be the best selling game of the year.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 10, 2014, 03:09:35 PM
I'm going to beat this game soon and come back for a plat later.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 14, 2014, 12:07:50 AM
FINALLY starting X-2 now that I have some days off.

"Y, R, P in position. It's showtime, girls"  :himu
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2014, 12:11:17 AM
oh my god :uguu

THE GAY DANCERS
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Sho Nuff on April 14, 2014, 10:49:04 AM
FINALLY starting X-2 now that I have some days off.

"Y, R, P in position. It's showtime, girls"  :himu

I remember working on this game and our translator was totally tortured over what to do with that line. In Japanese they call themselves YuRiPa, but YRP is the sound you make when you have indigestion. I -still- don't like that.

Also: how did fake Yuna manage to schedule, book, and choreograph a concert without the real Yuna stopping her before the day of the concert itself, I'd imagine that would be real bad PR for yourself
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2014, 11:32:14 AM
Why are pee?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Shaka Khan on April 14, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
FINALLY starting X-2 now that I have some days off.

"Y, R, P in position. It's showtime, girls"  :himu

I remember working on this game and our translator was totally tortured over what to do with that line. In Japanese they call themselves YuRiPa, but YRP is the sound you make when you have indigestion. I -still- don't like that.

Also: how did fake Yuna manage to schedule, book, and choreograph a concert without the real Yuna stopping her before the day of the concert itself, I'd imagine that would be real bad PR for yourself

What was wrong with YuRiPa? It sounds nicer and people could easily figure out the origin.

Them weeaboos were controlling real-time, wardrobe-changing J-Popstars. I'm sure they would have been okay lol.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2014, 12:52:33 PM
Problem with with YuRiPa is probably Paine. In Japanese version her name is pronounced like Pine with a PA in front of ine. In English, it's Pain. So YuRiPa is an inconsistency in the English translated text since we don't pronounce Pain with a Pa but with a Pe.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 14, 2014, 02:48:38 PM
I don't understand why they didn't just call her Pine, then. Most American cities have a Pine Street so it would have been very relatable to the American urban youth.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2014, 02:53:41 PM
パイン is Pain in romaji. But it doesn't mean Pain as we know it in English. ペイン does.

However, Pain fits the character of Paine, who has a dark sense of humor and a bad past (tm). She also dresses in black. So Pain works whereas Pine is lame.

The English equivalent is probably YuRiPe which doesn't have as much kick as YuRiPa.

At least, that's how I'm seeing the logic. Sho probably has different reasoning and I'm interested in reading them and I can't imagine the headache that was your job.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 14, 2014, 03:45:21 PM
Now I remember why I didn't try for 100%, it's fucking stressful  >:(
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
Hardly. Miss the moogle? Don't be OCD about it and just play the game.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 14, 2014, 04:02:13 PM
Missed the moogle  :-\

Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 14, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
I actually got the Brady guide for this cause I'm a nerd. I used it as a double check for Al Bhed stuff and Beastiary for FFX. Might just keep a closer eye on it for X-2.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on April 14, 2014, 06:29:40 PM
100% is useless anyway; just enjoy the game instead of trying to get perfect on all the minigames
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on April 14, 2014, 06:36:16 PM
100% is useless anyway; just enjoy the game instead of trying to get perfect on all the minigames

isn't it required for the super best ending AND the mascotte dress-sphere?

i'm pretty sure the mascotte dress sphere require some heavy FAQ IT anyway
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2014, 06:44:16 PM
The real ending is not the best ending.

And it's not required to get 100% to get the mascot dress. It's near perfect completion, though. But it mostly requires an Episode Complete in every location, which isn't too bad.

So you're all the better off just enjoying the game and not being ocd.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 14, 2014, 07:02:36 PM
Wasn't there some kind of special order you have to do everything to get the mascot dressphere? I remember something about that.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on April 14, 2014, 07:16:22 PM
100% is useless anyway; just enjoy the game instead of trying to get perfect on all the minigames

isn't it required for the super best ending AND the mascotte dress-sphere?

i'm pretty sure the mascotte dress sphere require some heavy FAQ IT anyway

bonus ending is on youtube; special class is useless if youre using a guide to 100% it on the first go as all levels will already be completed.

i dont think you have to do the levels in a certain order.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 14, 2014, 09:47:54 PM
i'm not continuing until i beat the Goers. might have to go buy a new controller.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Positive Touch on April 14, 2014, 10:03:21 PM
lol i know ive done it before and iirc it aint worth it
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2014, 10:06:17 PM
Tip. In the first half make sure that They don't score. Turn it to manual A and right side when the guy with 13 shot gets the ball. In half time equip jecht shot. Cheese it. Set half the team to mark the guy with 13 shot. When he gets the ball set it to mark mode.

Or you could cheese it by standing inside the goal while the Goers have the ball. Sit in your goal and everyone will spin in circles and no one will be able to score. You have to stand a specific way though in order for it to work.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on April 14, 2014, 10:30:59 PM
YuRiPa was fine, I was sad that it was gone for the localization. :(
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 14, 2014, 10:48:29 PM
you cant stop me dudes. my honor is on the line.

i've read all the "tricks" and have jecht shot. it just never works out in my favor.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 15, 2014, 12:06:54 AM
i fucking got it. scored with Tidus in the first half cuz the setup was open enough. Second half, they got a score, but thats ok, cause I got a Jecht Shot in. Then I just sat at the Goal and glitched it.

No fucks given. Give me my STR Sphere.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2014, 12:14:36 AM
GJ
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2014, 08:13:59 PM
Tips on butterflies?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 21, 2014, 12:37:27 PM
I posted a pathing guide earlier in the thread but there's not much to it. The positions are super confusing looking but with some trial and error you'll get it.

I've never gotten a perfect run though lol  :gloomy But I've always gotten Kimahri's weapon.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 24, 2014, 01:41:16 PM
Finishing up Chapter 1 and stuff is starting to click again. There's an annoying period for me with this game where battles just seem more random than anything. But now that I've got the girls into leveling up different roles it's finally starting to make some sense. Festivalist sphere is really damn good too. I don't have Paine working on much but Warrior and Festivalist at the moment though. Got Rikku with Thief and Black Mage and Festivalist. Got Yuna doing White Mage, Gunner, Dancer, and Festivalist. Yuna's probably gonna be heavy as a utility player.

It also helps that I took everyone's advice and said fuck 100%. I'll worry about that in NG+
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 27, 2014, 02:36:25 PM
Bevelle grind spot  :rejoice

No Kimahri but fuck that bitch
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 27, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
Bevelle grind spot  :rejoice

No Kimahri but fuck that bitch
Yeah, I always try to keep Kimahri up to date with the party, but then that part happens and it's just like "goodbye Kim".
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Trent Dole on April 27, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Best thing to do with Khimari is have him learn bomb then blow him up in random battles where you're fine with two party members.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 27, 2014, 08:13:35 PM
I just have him use death on Yu Yevon to make that battle end faster.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 27, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
CAPTURIN MONSTERS
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 28, 2014, 11:16:51 AM
Near endgame I pretty much only bring him in for Mighty Guard, sometimes White Wind.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 29, 2014, 10:27:07 PM
Psychic dresssphere is pretty gdlk  :o
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 29, 2014, 10:30:53 PM
I'm glad you bumped this cuz I just got 0.0.0 like eeeezeee.

Just capturing monsters in each area and collecting spheres and al bhed books right now.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2014, 10:54:50 PM
Gj demi
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on April 29, 2014, 11:09:57 PM
Tried Dark Valefor, thinking, maybe I'll get lucky and Zanmato it.

Oops, it starts out with EnergyRay. Lol.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on April 30, 2014, 12:02:44 AM
Fuck the dark aeons
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2014, 04:07:48 PM
Started playing FFX for real, finally. I played up to the part where Yuna does the Jesus dance to send everyone to heaven. I thought about grinding for 10,000 gil from Sin to pay that merchant, but I got bored after about 2000.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 02, 2014, 04:08:56 PM
That's totally unnecessary. Just don't buy shit in stores until you pay him 10k.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 02, 2014, 04:21:10 PM
Started playing FFX for real, finally. I played up to the part where Yuna does the Jesus dance to send everyone to heaven. I thought about grinding for 10,000 gil from Sin to pay that merchant, but I got bored after about 2000.

10,000 isn't necessary. He just drops his price on weapons, and even then, they're pretty shit weapons. This is one of the few games where weapons mean shit. Just equip the item that has the perks you want.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 02, 2014, 04:23:07 PM
While Demi has a point, consider that his brother sells those weapons with the four empty slots at Macalania Forest at a huge discount later on, so giving the 10k has its uses.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 02, 2014, 04:52:03 PM
10,000 (isnt it actually 10,001) is a drop in the bucket, as well.

Plus you get at least a few instances where you can pony up the 10 grand.

The first time to Kilika, then I believe the next is immediately after when heading to Luca.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 02, 2014, 04:55:51 PM
There are four opportunities. If you don't buy anything, you'll have more than enough. You even get like 6k or 8k in a treasure chest at the highroad - which is your last opportunity to give him money.

And it is 10,001.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2014, 05:53:39 PM
Yeah, I was just dicking around, trying to see how much I could get out of those guys.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 02, 2014, 11:50:41 PM
Watching Chrono Cross on marathon stream at Crystals For Life, and using this checklist for Monster Capture

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvyUBHK0mAq4dFMxMHFzc1FHYTZOREFZaFgyN0RqU3c&usp=sharing
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 03, 2014, 10:13:49 PM
200 bolts done - that was pretty simple, using the Crater.

Annoyances completed:

0:0:0
Remiem Temple Race
Lightning Bolts

Annoyances to do:

Blitzball..............
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2014, 10:15:21 PM
Remiam temple isn't that bad except for getting all five chests.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 03, 2014, 10:16:12 PM
Well theres only one RACE I could be talkin bout. I dont give a shit about Belgemine. I beat her ass and sent her to HELL already.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 04, 2014, 03:34:45 AM
Good.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 04, 2014, 07:00:07 PM
All monsters caught except Sin and Omega Dungeon.

Cheesing Seymour Omnis with my Aeons. Lol.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 06, 2014, 09:19:30 AM
All monsters captured except 5 Master Tonberrys in Omega - will finish that later.

Today, I am going to go through the grueling task of Blitzball to get Wakka's stuff.

This thread seems pretty straight forward enough.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/643146-final-fantasy-x-x-2-hd-remaster/69163967
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Freyj on May 06, 2014, 08:46:56 PM
Blitzball quickly becomes "Score once and hide behind your own goaltender until the match is over" with a decent team.

The nice thing is you can watch TV or something while doing it without much concern. Behind your tender you'll either be ignored or need to break through one attacker to be ignored.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 06, 2014, 08:50:44 PM
Do you need to be the highest scorer? Or is that for different prizes.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Freyj on May 06, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
If Tidus gets a goal in 60-80% of the games (Jecht Shot wastes a lot of time and is pretty much guaranteed) you'll get top scorer, but the Reels and Sigil are always 1st Team.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 06, 2014, 09:51:57 PM
I got Attack Reels, had to reset data for the Status Reels, though. Eek.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 07, 2014, 11:03:56 PM
Listening to this ASMR video while grinding One-Eye for Triple AP weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL5JStx4eYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL5JStx4eYk)

I fuckin love ASMR vids :noah
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2014, 11:06:22 PM
Fuck grinding One Eye. :zzz Dunno how you can do it, Demi. Snoresville, dude.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 07, 2014, 11:10:35 PM
Its actually gone pretty quickly. I just need a Lulu weapon. All my weapons are 3 slot as well (Triple AP + Overdrive > AP + Triple Overdrive) except Auron's. So I might get lucky and get a 3 slot for him.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2014, 11:12:49 PM
Nice. How'd you get powerful enough to take out One Eye so fast? Are you on standard grid or did you grind Omega/Sin?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 07, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
Yuna w/ Overdrive Anima
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2014, 11:23:09 PM
 :aah

You cheesing bitch! That gets my seal of approval.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 08, 2014, 12:15:29 AM
Paid off O'aka's debt.  :rejoice

Now buying Phoenix Downs from him and selling them to Barkeep for a profit. This is gonna get boring real quick.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 08, 2014, 12:28:45 AM
Got my Lulu weapon. Now I need to get Winning Formulas, which you can get at the Remiem race, but unsure if its a repeatable prize.

THEN ITS TIME TO GRINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2014, 12:32:21 AM
i think you can only get it once but don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 08, 2014, 12:43:21 AM
You can bribe them from sand worms for about a bajillion gil
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 08, 2014, 10:22:37 AM
I'll probably just not worry about it, I need that precious money for my Zanmato feeding. Which, btw, I used on Dark Valefor YES.

Only cost me 300,000 but I was just trying to get a reaction since I wanted my shit from Besaid.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2014, 11:36:01 AM
Money is easy Demi. Are you having trouble with money?

You don't really need to give Yojimbo that much Gil. :o
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 08, 2014, 11:36:54 AM
I was giving like 15k and getting Zanmatos
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 08, 2014, 11:40:30 AM
I dont have the patience for resets. I'm getting dat plat. Bow before the FFX master.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2014, 11:42:56 AM
I am playing for plat too. I beat the game and I'm taking a break before I get back to it.

Have you ran out of power spheres? One problem I had when I had a shit ton of levels was that I ran out of power spheres fast despite having 99.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 08, 2014, 11:44:07 AM
I havent started Sphere Grids yet, but I read you just pop a Distiller on Kottos and overkill him.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 09, 2014, 12:35:00 AM
Oh god what did I sign up for. Sphere Grids...
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2014, 01:09:12 AM
Yeah, you have to fill in every single node. This includes filling in empty nodes with something like a power node or health node or something. And then clear the entire grid with every character.

In order to get the sphere grid achievement.

Good luck doing that on standard grid! It's bullshit.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2014, 02:09:26 AM
Demi:

Making gil the easy way.

Go to Kilika and buy Tetra armor. Doesn't matter what. Just buy a bunch of Tetra Shields.

After you clear Besaid island of monster capturin', you get 99 stamina tonics. Just buy a bunch of Tetra Shields and put a stamina tonic on each shield. They'll sell 30k a pop. I got near 3 million gill in a few minutes doing this and I've still got 78 stamina tonics left.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 09, 2014, 08:59:59 AM
I read about that trick as well - money isnt an issue at the moment. I make enough selling the item drops from the Arena to offset any bribing I do.

Sphere Grid will go smoother once I fill in all the nodes. I grabbed about 40 STR, 32 DEF, 90MDEF (due to One-Eye farming of course)... need to grab some AGL and most importantly, Luck.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: a slime appears on May 09, 2014, 09:40:55 AM
HEY GUYS,

I own FFX and FFX-2 for PS2 but I never played them. Truth is I tried playing FFX when it first came out but I was really put off by it at the time and didn't give it a fair shake. Should I play the originals since I already own them or plunk down cash for this new HD version?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 09, 2014, 10:13:53 AM
Hey dude,

You will be fine with the Originals, since International doesnt fuck with the main games any. It's all extra add-ons.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2014, 11:33:55 AM
Disagree. International versions add bonus content that make them far superior to the originals. Also X-2 International has loads of new content. Just get the hd collection. More content, more fun.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 09, 2014, 11:41:17 AM
If you're not much of a JRPG person, the international games wont do much to convince you otherwise.

I'm not arguing that they arent superior versions, but if someone owns the original and has to ask themselves if its worth a buy, I would tell them to not beat themselves up over it. The main story content is largely the same. Everything is extras - great for diehards or fans.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2014, 11:42:37 AM
True. :obama but on the other hand, upgraded visuals and audio. :larry
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 09, 2014, 12:37:55 PM
X-2 HD looks really good, better than I was expecting. Well the main characters look really good.

I haven't even dug into the Creature Creator or whatever it's called yet. X-2 seems to just have a shitload of extra content. But if you don't care about the extra stuff I would just stick with the PS2 version.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Freyj on May 09, 2014, 07:38:11 PM
Having not played X-2 since it's release, I didn't recall how much of a buzzkill the % system is. Amazing Battle System that's hidden behind shitty minigames most of the time.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
Don't worry about the percentage. Just enjoy the game.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 09, 2014, 08:06:31 PM
Here's my plan:

- Set up 3 char to take on Dark Aeons (Yojimbo in particular)
- Slap the fuck out of Dark Aeons + Penance w/ Zanmato
- Finish Monster Arena and slap the fuck out of Nemesis
- Clear Luck Spheres, Replace with MP Sphere
- Grinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2014, 08:17:18 PM
Sounds like a good plan. What dark aeon are you going for next?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 09, 2014, 08:26:59 PM
I'd like to take care of Yojimbo first, since he's really the only one that requires you to actually fight.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 09, 2014, 08:27:53 PM
Don't worry about the percentage. Just enjoy the game.
My enjoyment of X-2 has sharply increased the less I cared about the %
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2014, 08:34:35 PM
I'd like to take care of Yojimbo first, since he's really the only one that requires you to actually fight.

don't you have to beat him like 7 times
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 09, 2014, 09:03:31 PM
Yea, so I'd rather get the hard one out of the way first.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Freyj on May 10, 2014, 12:32:06 AM
Don't worry about the percentage. Just enjoy the game.
My enjoyment of X-2 has sharply increased the less I cared about the %

Are you just following the Hotspots?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 01:23:58 AM
Zanmato'd Nemesis cuz thats how players roll
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 11:03:41 AM
Earth Eater farming is the worst part, since you cant Distill Luck, and the "best" method is kinda monotonous (I'd rather mash A).

Loner Tidus -> Slice and Dice (x3-4)

All for 2 spheres, times 3 persons... roughly 60 spheres or so total (30 battles - thats if you dont get a Dark Matter instead).

I'm putting my Luck around 120, thats supposed to be enough to hit Dark Yojimbo consistently (even with Luck Skill x 5).
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 10, 2014, 01:05:41 PM
I had no idead Zanmato would work on the final boss, I was expecting it to say Immune or Miss but it actually worked. If i knew it worked on bosses I would've gone after some of the Dark Aeons.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 01:23:53 PM
Theres no point in fighting dark aeons unless youre going all the way, really
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: magus on May 10, 2014, 01:27:13 PM
I had no idead Zanmato would work on the final boss, I was expecting it to say Immune or Miss but it actually worked. If i knew it worked on bosses I would've gone after some of the Dark Aeons.

zanmato works even on the super secret final boss that you unlock after defeating all of the dark aeons though you have to pay him a ridiculous amount of money to trigger it
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 10, 2014, 01:36:14 PM
Are you just following the Hotspots?
Nah, I visit every area at least once in a chapter. The chests in each area refill so its worth going even just for free items.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 01:50:22 PM
X-2s list looks much more manageable, the only standout being the monster bestiary
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on May 10, 2014, 02:23:08 PM
zanmato is really cheap though and takes the enjoyment out of the tough bosses.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 02:26:15 PM
Theres no enjoyment, the other way, either.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: SantaC on May 10, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
Theres no enjoyment, the other way, either.

in FFX? What's wrong with the battle system? It's better than most in the series.

edit: to clarify, what's wrong with the enjoyment.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 10, 2014, 02:41:24 PM
Psychic dressphere just keeps getting better and better. It's pretty broken  :lol
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 03:04:34 PM
Theres no enjoyment, the other way, either.

in FFX? What's wrong with the battle system? It's better than most in the series.

edit: to clarify, what's wrong with the enjoyment.

It's just spamming Quick Hit, at that point. Why do all that when I can pay some cash and get it done for me?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
Demi why all the luck spheres? Higher zanmato chance?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
Because you will whiff against Dark Aeons when trying to attack.

While you could Zanmato Yojimbo, the chances of 5 in a row are super high.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
Wouldn't speed spheres be better for that than luck?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 03:46:25 PM
Accuracy? It might help, I maxed it out anyway.

I can beat Yojimbo, but he did a Wakizashi that nuked my party. I will have to start each fight with Auto Life first.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Freyj on May 10, 2014, 03:54:16 PM
Theres no enjoyment, the other way, either.

I did it the other way, it took over 100 hours, it wasn't very fun.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 04:09:19 PM
Yojimbo rekt - time to do some Penance.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 06:43:04 PM
Penance rekt - time to grind.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2014, 07:37:27 PM
Damn dude. You've got a lot of patience. I had to give the game a break because the griniding is so bad. :whew :bow DEMI :bow2
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 07:58:12 PM
Sphere Grid filled out (no empty nodes / no Luck) - Tidus complete... time to grind (more)
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Ugh. Just thinking about it.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 08:05:12 PM
It wont be that bad, I think. Practically all the hard work is done. I just need to use Kottos for getting spheres, and Don Tonberry for Levels.

Nobody has to fight anything. It would go much smoother if I didnt have to navigate so many menus just to activate nodes.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 10, 2014, 08:58:42 PM
Calibrating lightning towers  :yuck
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: nachobro on May 10, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
Got all the towers calibrated! But I guess I only needed half of them to get the garment grid?  :maf
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 10, 2014, 11:46:23 PM
3 characters finished... that was the easy part, since the grid was already full. Going through fresh with the others is the time sink.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 11, 2014, 08:49:38 PM
PLATINUM get

Taking a break to play Ground Zeroes since I got that from GameFly...
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2014, 08:50:43 PM
How many hours?
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: demi on May 11, 2014, 08:53:25 PM
135 game time... consider idle time and its maybe closer to 110.
Title: Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2014, 09:39:24 PM
Congrats!

As for me, don't have time for this shit. I'm going to zanmato Omega.