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Title: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Eschaton on April 09, 2014, 03:37:37 PM
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/04/everything-dont-know-tipping.html

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Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 09, 2014, 03:44:39 PM
I just always tip 20% in any and all circumstances. Simple.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 09, 2014, 03:46:50 PM
Are you trying to bear the brown burden all by your self?
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Momo on April 09, 2014, 03:47:54 PM
There is no way on earth I'm tipping half those people
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on April 09, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
I think at least half the reason I tip high is to make up for other black dudes not tipping.

Dating an asian girl now, we walk into a restaurant and it's like we killed someone's grandmother.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 09, 2014, 03:54:53 PM
I white-guilt over tip errytime
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2014, 04:12:33 PM
Subsidize employers' right to avoid paying minimum wage, brehs.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 04:14:04 PM
Subsidize employers' right to avoid paying minimum wage, brehs.
My favorite alltime argument.  "I don't tip because it devalues the salary"
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
If you don't tip don't go out.  No one wants you anywhere because you're a piece of shit.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Mupepe on April 09, 2014, 04:16:39 PM
I only tip babershops, delivery and waited tables.  I always give generous tips for barbershops and food delivery people but waiters?  If it's not busy and the server just clearly doesn't give a fuck you can suck my balls.  Homeboy is getting loose change (and I'm probably not going back).  I give leeway when it's busy and stuff and I tend to tip generously (more than 20%) when I go out.  The chart just bugs me when it says "never less than 15%".  Fuck that.  Some waiters actually are just lazy pieces of shit and I'd like to (non)tip them out of the industry.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 04:17:06 PM
And contrary to popular belief Jews make it rain.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 04:19:12 PM
If you ever tip less than 15% at a restaurant don't bother going back because everyone there thinks you're a piece of shit.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Your Stalker on April 09, 2014, 04:19:24 PM
no one tips at the barbershops i go to
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Mupepe on April 09, 2014, 04:20:31 PM
I don't really go to bars so I was unaware of the customs for bar tipping.  I generally just leave 20% or so.  That seems less confusing to me than amounts per drink type thing.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 09, 2014, 04:22:40 PM
If you ever tip less than 15% at a restaurant don't bother going back because everyone there thinks you're a piece of shit.
O no, restaurant plebs will think ill of me!
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Positive Touch on April 09, 2014, 04:23:33 PM
If you ever tip less than 15% at a restaurant don't bother going back because everyone there thinks you're a piece of shit.

only time i ever tip less than 15% is if the service completely sucks because the waiter if some jackoff twentysomething who thinks theyre to good for the job or whatever. or the rare situation ive had where the waiter is the owner and also clearly an angry psycho on the verge of killing his wife or something.

but people who give bad tips for stupid-as-fuck reasons (i didnt like the food/it wasnt made just perfect to how i like it) can choke on pubes. stay home til you learn to be decent people.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Mupepe on April 09, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
If you ever tip less than 15% at a restaurant don't bother going back because everyone there thinks you're a piece of shit.
Once I went to a restaurant and my own server was ignoring the fuck out of me, but a guy from another table kept coming by and asking me if I needed anything.  So when the bill came I asked the manager if I could leave a dollar for my waiter and then I left a 30% tip for the other waiter that kept coming by. 

Like I said, if I leave less than 15% it's because I also think the restaurant/employees are pieces of shit.  Not just busy/having a rough night.  That's understandable.  Being indifferent or outright ignoring your table deserves a dogshit/insulting tip.  Suck it, brehs.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
If you ever tip less than 15% at a restaurant don't bother going back because everyone there thinks you're a piece of shit.

only time i ever tip less than 15% is if the service completely sucks because the waiter if some jackoff twentysomething who thinks theyre to good for the job or whatever. or the rare situation ive had where the waiter is the owner and also clearly an angry psycho on the verge of killing his wife or something.

You know what you do in that situation?  Talk to the manager instead of leaving some passive aggressive tip like a shutin.  Sometimes shit went down at the restaurant and they'll be happy to apologize, comp some shit. 
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
If you ever tip less than 15% at a restaurant don't bother going back because everyone there thinks you're a piece of shit.
O no, restaurant plebs will think ill of me!
Does anyone not think ill of you?
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 09, 2014, 04:31:35 PM
If you ever tip less than 15% at a restaurant don't bother going back because everyone there thinks you're a piece of shit.
O no, restaurant plebs will think ill of me!
Does anyone not think ill of you?
My grandma thinks I'm the shit. 
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: cool breeze on April 09, 2014, 04:32:43 PM
last time I went to my barber I paid the same amount as always but I didn't notice they increased the price so my tip fell to like ~20%.  felt like mike.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Positive Touch on April 09, 2014, 04:33:09 PM
You know what you do in that situation?  Talk to the manager instead of leaving some passive aggressive tip like a shutin.  Sometimes shit went down at the restaurant and they'll be happy to apologize, comp some shit.

 :beli nothing wrong with fearing the outside world breh

but most of the time when something goes wrong the waiter will come tell me, or will apologize and fix the problem if i have to bring it to their attention. im fine with that. its when i tell them somethings wrong and they still dont fix it that i have a problem. if everyone at the table has finished and i havent even been able to start eating because of the waiters fuckup AND they arent even gonna comp my meal? well have fun bumming drinks from your friends this weekend cuz you aint getting shit from me.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on April 09, 2014, 04:33:58 PM
I don't think I've ever tipped less than 15% as an adult. Bad service included. Everyone has an off day, an off shift, an off hour. And everyone has to put food on the table. Yeah it sucks that you ran into it, but fuck it. That's how the world works sometimes.

Generally I tip:

20 - 30% on good service
15% otherwise
$2 for beer, $3 for mixed drink (lol like I'm ordering a mixed drink tho)

Hair and shit...guys you need to tip. Like for real. I tip $5 at the place I get my eyebrows threaded and $8 on my hair. Job is too important not to be rewarded.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Positive Touch on April 09, 2014, 04:34:46 PM
or the rare situation ive had where the waiter is the owner and also clearly an angry psycho on the verge of killing his wife or something.

Oh man this is the fucking worst :picard I hate when this shit happens

:lol its sad when you remember a meal more for the obvious DV signs going on than the food you ate
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 09, 2014, 04:39:02 PM
Yeah, I don't feel comfortable assessing the service and stuff and basing my tip on that, it makes me feel like I'm lording it over them or something. Sometimes I'll go over 20% if I think I was being a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2014, 04:40:57 PM
That chart is missing what you tip strippers :hitler

(pro-tip: instead of giving them a single, give them a fiver. They remember you that way.)

Also, I have to say starting to go bald at 22 was the smartest decision I ever made. I haven't paid for a haircut in like 15 years- been doing that shit with clippers myself ever since. Did make dating a hairstylist awkward this past year, tho- kept saying I was "the enemy."
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Positive Touch on April 09, 2014, 04:43:23 PM
uhh sister city i think? man that place was good
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 09, 2014, 04:44:48 PM
3 bucks for a mixed drink? That's like almost 100% tip where I drink :lol
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: archie4208 on April 09, 2014, 04:55:19 PM
I tip waiters 15%.

Am I worse than Hitler?
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 05:13:14 PM
I typically tip 20-30% wherever I go more if I get free shit.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 05:20:31 PM
Also in Sf, LA and NY and other such places 20% is the new standard.  Deal with it.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
I typically tip 20-30% wherever I go more if I get free shit.

^^^ pretty much this. And If I know the person that's waiting on me/serving me drinks? They're going home happy, for sure.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: cool breeze on April 09, 2014, 05:24:01 PM
20 or 25% because the math is simpler
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 09, 2014, 05:25:30 PM
20 or 25% because the math is simpler

That's why I like 10% or 0% best. 
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2014, 05:31:05 PM
I mean who decides what the new standard is? Did we ever vote on it? Sounds like a bunch of FUD from Perez Hilton types or Cosmo magazine.

Also, what guarantee is there that it stops here?

In order:  People, no, lolwut, and there is none.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 05:31:43 PM
Arguing against 20% standard is like being against gay marriage, you're on the wrong side of history, you just don't know it yet.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2014, 05:36:10 PM
I was thinking more the Brendan Eich.  :teehee
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
I usually tip about 10%. Deal with it. :yeshrug

And every restaurant needs to have a tip thing on the check so I can use my debit card to tip, carrying around cash money is for losers and drug dealers.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2014, 05:51:45 PM
You're just reinforcing a stereotype and making it so the next dog who eats there gets shitty service.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 05:52:22 PM
Plus he probably just shits right there on the floor :ufup
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2014, 05:56:13 PM
I'm just as God made me, sir.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: cool breeze on April 09, 2014, 06:00:51 PM
no one's saying you shouldn't shit on the floor.  only that you should leave a generous tip.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 06:08:19 PM
Other great things about living wherever you live:
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 09, 2014, 06:11:10 PM
What is the black excellence percentage?
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Rufus on April 09, 2014, 06:13:19 PM
Other great things about living wherever you live:
Cost of living is probably way lower though.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 09, 2014, 06:16:58 PM
In before Esch brings up the superior taste that comes from living in a test market
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2014, 06:20:45 PM
What is the black excellence percentage?

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Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 09, 2014, 07:55:54 PM
I generally tip 16-18%. I calculate 15% then round up + add a buck or two. I just can't accept 20% as the new standard, sorry. :-\

I would NEVER tip less than 15%, though. That's a good way to get free spit on your food next time you show up.

From that list, I tip waiters, bartenders, and hairstylists. The idea of tipping a barista is :neogaf

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Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 09, 2014, 08:06:57 PM
Trying to raise the default to 20% reminds me of the creepy tactics of DeBeers - in the 60s, an engagement ring was "one month's salary"; in the 90s, "how to make two month's salary last forever." I noticed a lot of weird chatter in movies and TV shows recently about "three months salary" and yup, DeBeers is trying to raise that bar and paying for "three month" placement.

If there are actual economic reasons the acceptable minimum needs to go from 15% to 20%, I'd be curious to know...
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 09, 2014, 08:11:11 PM
I typically get awesome servers that earn their tip. Like the woman who was super honest at the chinese restaurant when we were ordering. Hilarious.

"can we uh get the broccoli beef"
"you don't want that"
"oh well what do you recommend?"

Then she listed off the good shit. Ah yeah. Honest servers rule.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 09, 2014, 08:15:24 PM
I typically get awesome servers that earn their tip. Like the woman who was super honest at the chinese restaurant when we were ordering. Hilarious.

"can we uh get the broccoli beef"
"you don't want that"
"oh well what do you recommend?"

Then she listed off the good shit. Ah yeah. Honest servers rule.

she pulled one over on you. Just clearing out old inventory by suggesting dishes :jawalrus

Nah she gave me free several fresh spring rolls last time we ordered a bunch of food to go. Anyway good relationships with servers if you're a regular are awesome.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Beezy on April 09, 2014, 08:21:03 PM
I generally tip 16-18%. I calculate 15% then round up + add a buck or two. I just can't accept 20% as the new standard, sorry. :-\
This is basically what I do. Fuck outta here with that 20% minimum bullshit.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Good ol Japan.  No tipping required, they just calculate the cost of paying their staff better than a slave into your meal's price.
This is the ideal solution, but it's never going to happen.  You know what the wage is in some states for tipped employees?  $2.13 :fbm
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: benjipwns on April 09, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
They should be paying me for the opportunity to serve me.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 08:55:59 PM
Good ol Japan.  No tipping required, they just calculate the cost of paying their staff better than a slave into your meal's price.
This is the ideal solution, but it's never going to happen.  You know what the wage is in some states for tipped employees?  $2.13 :fbm

Yeah, that's fucked up.  I don't think they're allowed to do that in Canada.  Servers in Canada always get at least minimum wage, plus tips.
It's an intractable situation here.  Places where the cost of living is higher obviously have passed higher minimums, but shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, most of America?  It's going to be 2.13 for a long time.  Lesson is tip your servers well or they'll wonder why your poor ass isn't home eating cold spaghetti-os.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 09, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
If I go somewhere with shitty service I just don't go back, and then I chuckle the next time I drive by and see a for sale or closed sign.

Also, some people spit in your food whether you tip well or not, they just like doing it.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Rufus on April 09, 2014, 09:26:30 PM
Or they hate their job and that takes the edge off a bit.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 09, 2014, 09:29:51 PM
also never send anything back unless you're a regular, and even then only if they give you fish when you ordered chicken or something
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: benjipwns on April 09, 2014, 09:40:26 PM
also never send anything back unless you're a regular, and even then only if they give you fish when you ordered chicken or something
I have a relative who sends things back if it's not hot enough that she can't eat it right away.

I assume she never tips either.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 09, 2014, 09:44:14 PM
Good ol Japan.  No tipping required, they just calculate the cost of paying their staff better than a slave into your meal's price.
This is the ideal solution, but it's never going to happen.  You know what the wage is in some states for tipped employees?  $2.13 :fbm

Yeah, that's fucked up.  I don't think they're allowed to do that in Canada.  Servers in Canada always get at least minimum wage, plus tips. 
yep.  And we are still expected to do at least 10%.  Filthy Americans should feel bad about their 21st century slave system. 
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 09:53:56 PM
I usually tip 25 percent at cheap diners and 15 percent at restaurants.

Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 09, 2014, 10:58:52 PM
I tip 30 to 50 percent.

Really the only time I go out to a restaurant these days is while working.  So my employer pays for my meals.  So if I order $20 worth of shit, I'll usually throw in a $10 tip.  My employer covers the $20 so technically I paid $10 for the meal.  It's a win-win for the waiter and myself.

It's never really improved my service by doing that.  I think expecting a 20% tip is fucking ridiculous unless they provide excellent service to something that is complicated.  If you're one of those assholes who has a laundry list of demands and they do it with a smile, then yeah, 20% is a pretty good idea.  But if I'm ordering some simple meal, then fuck that.  I guess that's why I usually just cook at home more often than not.  Even if I cook using foods from Whole Paycheck, it's usually cheaper and tastes better than going out to eat anyway.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 09, 2014, 11:10:07 PM
Even if I cook using foods from Whole Paycheck, it's usually cheaper and tastes better than going out to eat anyway.

Bro where are you eating?  :-\
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 09, 2014, 11:59:25 PM
Check your PDX privilege Devo, not everyone can be surrounded by awesome food like us.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: tiesto on April 10, 2014, 12:00:55 AM
I usually just double the tax, which adds up to about 17.5%. This only works in NY of course.

Also I don't tip those guys who work at the bathrooms at clubs and give you paper towels and shit. Fuck that, I can turn on a sink myself. I will only tip if I take some of the breath mints or gum they have.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: nudemacusers on April 10, 2014, 12:16:04 AM
Other great things about living wherever you live:
• no minorities
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 10, 2014, 02:22:27 AM
The reason I tip 20% is TOTALLY because society tells me to. I already bear the cognitive burden of contrarianism in many other things and conserving my energy for those is well worth the monetary expense.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: chronovore on April 13, 2014, 05:02:53 AM
Good ol Japan.  No tipping required, they just calculate the cost of paying their staff better than a slave into your meal's price.

Can't find how to add borders to BBCode tables:
Tipping Situation% People Who TipLow TipAverage TipHigh TipIf you Don't Tip% Salary% SalaryNotes
Japan0000NORMAL00Don't. Stop asking. There's no tipping.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Mupepe on April 13, 2014, 11:08:10 AM
15% standard, usually rounded up to the nearest dollar...  More if something exceptionally good.

Nothing wrong with leaving nothing if, for example, they just bring you food and proceed to ignore you - at that point it's no different than drive-thru.  Service that bad is rare.
not in Hispanic neighborhoods. OTB Hispanics dont tip so at most authentic restaurants here the service is crap. Its gotten better since I'm a regular at a lot and they realize I do tip. Plus :bow Cholas :bow2 I'll tip them just so that they can continue to afford getting those nails done mami
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 13, 2014, 01:44:42 PM
My problem is I kind of have no idea what "good service" is, and I'm not sure I'd want it anyway.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2014, 03:19:21 PM
My problem is I kind of have no idea what "good service" is, and I'm not sure I'd want it anyway.

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/restaurants-google-arrive/story?id=23291307
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2014, 03:28:40 PM
My problem is I kind of have no idea what "good service" is, and I'm not sure I'd want it anyway.

There is a very simple solution to this. 

1)  First we determine a list of potentially positive or negative actions a server might do, such as smiling or being too assertive about water refills, lets say we determine a list of 50 such actions.  For simplification these will be boolean variables, making up our feature vector. 
2)  Go to five thousand or so restaurants and observe the service for these actions
3) Crowdsource the data so that we show someone a feature vector and ask how much of a tip someone ought to get based on the given actions
4)  Build a regression model, maybe use a deep belief net because those are the shit

Then all you need to do is observe the given actions of a server at a new restaurants and ask the regression model how much you should tip.
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
How much do you tip if your server does this to you?
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Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 13, 2014, 05:14:48 PM
My problem is I kind of have no idea what "good service" is, and I'm not sure I'd want it anyway.

There is a very simple solution to this. 

1)  First we determine a list of potentially positive or negative actions a server might do, such as smiling or being too assertive about water refills, lets say we determine a list of 50 such actions.  For simplification these will be boolean variables, making up our feature vector. 
2)  Go to five thousand or so restaurants and observe the service for these actions
3) Crowdsource the data so that we show someone a feature vector and ask how much of a tip someone ought to get based on the given actions
4)  Build a regression model, maybe use a deep belief net because those are the shit

Then all you need to do is observe the given actions of a server at a new restaurants and ask the regression model how much you should tip.

:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: all your tipping questions laid to rest
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2014, 05:32:28 PM
Also, you wouldn't actually need to go to any restaurants, you can just randomly permute the feature vectors and crowdsource those;  you'd need a lot more but mechanical turk is pretty cheap. I didn't mention this because it ruins the joke of being simple.

Pretty sure this could be made into an app in like a month too.  The model would need to be more complicated because you wouldn't want to fill out a 50 question questionnaire at the end of each meal, so you'd need to treat most of the data as unspecified and just work off the two or three actions people would spot or fill out.