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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2014, 10:24:09 AM

Title: Battlefield Hardline
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2014, 10:24:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO-1ZBsT224
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 27, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
nope

3-4 months after release when it actually works, maybe
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 27, 2014, 12:35:11 PM
nEj tAk
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Mupepe on May 27, 2014, 01:28:32 PM
nope

3-4 months after release when it actually works, maybe
that timeframe is being quite generous
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 27, 2014, 01:31:17 PM
But Dice is'nt making this one, so maybe it will actually work.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: bork on May 27, 2014, 01:38:45 PM
But Dice is'nt making this one, so maybe it will actually work.

Was going to say this.   :lol
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: doctavius bonbon on May 27, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
Woah, the police game really did exist. now I can finally live my dream of beating minorities with little to no repercussion.

Hope it has oculus rift support.  :rejoice

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goin robber every time. pigs get clapped  :gun
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Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
Video will be interesting. Hard not to be very skeptical. Seems like faux branding. We'll see I guess.

Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Sho Nuff on May 27, 2014, 02:36:37 PM
There's another battle that goes on every day
It's the battle between cops and crooks
And the field is the STREETS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy4YFDSDW4w
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2014, 03:26:12 PM
The thing is there was a kickstarter that was essentially this exactly same concept a few years back. So people are wondering if EA bought them out or just kinda took the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiknJbHRwPA
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: chronovore on May 27, 2014, 06:08:23 PM
Wondering if level-up items for Cops faction includes "pilot-style sunglasses" and "well-trimmed mustache."
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 27, 2014, 08:25:42 PM
(http://www.writeups.org/img/fiche/4722.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 27, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
Battlefield: Hardon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD64LvbxW6s
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2014, 08:42:49 PM
http://www.battlefield.com/hardline
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Purple Filth on May 27, 2014, 09:59:24 PM
http://www.battlefield.com/hardline

"god fucking dammit, just release the info"

first Activision now EA  :lol
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 27, 2014, 10:02:05 PM
So if Visceral is making this. Does this leave Dice and Dice LA un-accounted for? Dice LA is doing maps for BF4, but that can't be all right? Is Dice working on Star Wars or Battlefield 5?

Edit-lol I forgot Mirror's Edge 2. Also is Dead Space done?
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 28, 2014, 04:54:09 AM
Dead Space is deceased.

Seems like EA could have started a new IP here, it seems different enough from actual Battlefield.  I guess a spinoff counts as originality these days.

Urban Chaos: Riot Response was frikken awesome back in the day though.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on May 28, 2014, 07:32:45 AM
Dead Space is deceased.

Seems like EA could have started a new IP here, it seems different enough from actual Battlefield.  I guess a spinoff counts as originality these days.

It's a safer bet to spin-off than new IP now a days. Lest you have a Titanflop.

Gameplay Alpha trailer leaked, it looks interesting.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 10:56:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1I_Supvc8
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Rufus on May 28, 2014, 12:06:24 PM
Gone.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 12:10:31 PM
Yeah. It's so dumb when corporations try to plug their dicks into the leak hole of the internet. As if such a thing is possible. Yeah the footage is rough but in a way that's more honest and if they just said, hey this is a work in progress and not the final game, people wouldn't understand it rather than just trying to pretend the video doesn't exist and block it.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Himu on May 28, 2014, 12:12:35 PM
HardOnBlacks.

Will this game accurately portray police arrests?!?! will I be able to plant coke in someone's car?!?!
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Mupepe on May 28, 2014, 01:18:54 PM
HardOnBlacks.

Will this game accurately portray police arrests?!?! will I be able to plant coke in someone's car?!?!
::)

That doesn't happen
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Himu on May 28, 2014, 01:20:02 PM
STOP RUINING DREAMS.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Mupepe on May 28, 2014, 01:23:09 PM
You're ruining dreams with your reverse racism!
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Himu on May 28, 2014, 01:25:29 PM
:lol

How am I supposed to feel when I watch scenes in movies that contain sneaking coke in the at now?! You have shattered my world view!!!

Re: the trailer. It looks like battlefield. :obama I'd want to give it a shot but the whole MAKE A NEW BF EVERY YEAR deal makes wary and not want to play it.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Mupepe on May 28, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
:heartbeat

I've got no problem with playing a new Battlefield every year (sounds good to me honestly!).  I'm just soured from BF4.  Such a fun game, but such a terrible experience playing that fun game.  I'll definitely wait and see what people say before I jump onto this one.  I'll let Stoney make the decision for me since I'm sure he'll buy it  :lol

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No offense, stoney!
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Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Himu on May 28, 2014, 04:39:40 PM
Bf4 is still broken?
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Mupepe on May 28, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
Not as bad as it once was, but there's still rubberbanding.  The first 6 months were absolute hell though
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 04:58:58 PM
:heartbeat

I've got no problem with playing a new Battlefield every year (sounds good to me honestly!).  I'm just soured from BF4.  Such a fun game, but such a terrible experience playing that fun game.  I'll definitely wait and see what people say before I jump onto this one.  I'll let Stoney make the decision for me since I'm sure he'll buy it  :lol

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No offense, stoney!
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I'll get it potentially but not day one. I'll also need to hear reports about it regarding stability and such. Even though its a different dev, Battlefield 4 left such a sour taste in my mouth I refuse to give EA the benefit of the doubt and just purchase another battlefield game based on reputation or even past experience. Battlefield 4 forfeited that good will. I'm sure some of the people I play with will get it though and I'll decide based on their impressions

The concept is cool. Cops and robbery and payday style combined. That's exactly what I wanted from GTA online which still hasn't delivered it yet. I'm just not going to reward incompetence again.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 28, 2014, 05:37:42 PM
Not sure why this needs the Battlefield name outside of the obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 05:47:59 PM
Not sure why this needs the Battlefield name outside of the obvious reasons.

There are rumours (unconfirmed at the moment) that DICE is working on the MP and Visceral is doing the SP. Kind of like how the first medal of honor was.

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“If you want it,” says Visceral general manager Steve Papoutsis, fans may hear a little more about the studio’s upcoming shooter, Battlefield Hardline, before its official E3 2014 unveiling.

Taking to Twitter to express his slight frustration with how things have gone down in the past couple of days, Papoutsis says recent leaks are water under the bridge and that he is more than happy to talk about the studio’s take on the iconic Battlefield franchise.

“So yeah, that happened,” he says, likely referring to yesterday’s Battlelog leak and today’s video leak. “Not how we wanted to unveil Hardline, but all good. Didn’t want to wait til E3 anyway, so let’s talk about it…”

If you managed to catch the leaked 7-minute video overview of Hardline’s multiplayer and single player, know that it was a 6-month old build, according to Papoutsis. He says we’ll be able to catch the “real deal” at E3 this year.

“Video that’s out there was for an internal meeting,” he explained. “It’s 6 months old now and team has been cranking since then. See the real deal at E3.

“We’re pouring everything we’ve got into this & stoked to share details on June 9 – maybe even a little more before then if you want it.”

If you ask us, we’re pretty sure Battlefield fans want it.

It’s not all water under the bridge for everyone, however, as we’ve recently learned that at least one EA QA tester has been fired for leaking information stating that Battlefield developer DICE is handling the multiplayer portion of Hardline.

While we’re not certain how much truth there is to that statement, Papoutsis did mention in his letter yesterday that the studio is excited to bring their strengths “to single player,” specifically.

If DICE is overseeing Hardline’s multiplayer, it’s likely studio members from DICE LA or even Visceral are involved as well, considering DICE Stockholm’s rather full plate at the moment with Star Wars: Battlefront and Mirror’s Edge 2.

http://mp1st.com/2014/05/28/video-leak-wanted-unveil-hardline-says-visceral-announcements-possible-june-9/#.U4ZY7Pl93_E
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on May 28, 2014, 06:59:20 PM
Bf4 is still broken?

It hasn't been "broken" since Janurary. Is it still "broken" in regards to some bugs and server issues? Yeah. But it's getting better. It's readily apparent BF4 launched too soon.

As for if DICE is doing multiplayer for this: consider me interested, even with BF4's fiasco I trust them. Provided EA has learned their lessons and doesn't push for THIS TIME OR GET THE FUCK OUT we should be fine. *knock on wood*
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 08:44:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M56_O7a_aKQ
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: a slime appears on June 05, 2014, 08:54:58 PM
nope

3-4 months after release when it actually works, maybe

Man you joke but that's seriously my modus operandi when it comes to EA/Dice from now on.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 05, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Oh, I'm not joking!
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Groogrux on June 09, 2014, 04:11:35 PM
Beta is live on PC and PS4.  I shut off the EA conference at E3 just to turn on the PS4 and start the download.  Meanwhile, PSN is literally crapping itself from all the traffic it's getting right now.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2014, 05:52:01 PM
I don't know...

The gameplay looks decent enough and fun enough to me. But I'm still turned off by how similar everything looks to bf4 from the UI to lots of other small to medium things. If this was like a battlefield 4 expansion that cost like 20 or 30 bucks, I'd be more down for it. But something about knowing its a full price game is pushing me away. But that's just the odd way my brain works.


signed up for PC beta but haven't got in yet.

btw this should be patched in bf 4.

http://i.imgur.com/3dIxNND.jpg

I shouldn't have to wait for a dude to throw ammo who won't throw it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcMUSesxbvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjTJKFuG-18
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: cool breeze on June 09, 2014, 05:57:28 PM
the beta downloaded quick on pc and I played a match.  not to sound totally reductionist...but it's battlefield 4.

Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 09, 2014, 06:08:50 PM
the beta downloaded quick on pc and I played a match.  not to sound totally reductionist...but it's battlefield 4.

Well, duh. I think anyone that followed this knows it's pretty much a "mod" being sold at $60 at this point. I still want to try it for the modes. If the new modes are fun, I'll probably get it. Otherwise I'll pass until it's $30 or less.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Groogrux on June 10, 2014, 12:07:38 AM
I've played for a few hours on the PS4 beta today.

My impression so far is that it's nothing completely amazing.  I think JackFrags pretty much hits the nail on the head with it.  One thing that I noticed that I really liked is that in this game, if you put enough bullets from a LMG into a scout helicopter, you can bring it down.  This is something that would be mostly possible IRL so I like that they finally put it in the game. 

Right now, I would agree that it feels like a DLC for BF4 instead of a $60 IP.  I haven't reserved it yet, and I probably won't until I know as much as possible about it.  Definitely not jumping the gun on premium for this one though.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 10, 2014, 12:33:44 AM
I dunno. On one hand we have Stingers to purchase here so I dunno how I feel about small arms fire on the helicopters when there is already "lock-on" anti-airs in the game. But BC1 did this and it was a decent balance since there was no tracer (BC2) and lock-on anti-air (BF3/4) in that game. On the other hand, I can also see why it's a good thing if you're playing other/non-engineer classes to fire on the helicopters.

Vietnam in BC2 also did it but the helicopters health was so low on console (and even worse on PC) that NO ONE got into the air vehicles because the damage rate was so high.  :lol
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Groogrux on June 10, 2014, 07:37:30 AM
Yeah, I'm really not sure if the stinger is a necessary accessory in this game as of yet, but then again, we have only seen one map.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 10, 2014, 12:32:47 PM
Huh, I heard they're using the BF4 backend and all the improvements will be there. This might actually be playable* at launch.

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:heh
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Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: hampster on June 11, 2014, 11:11:30 AM
I never knew game development was so simple :o

(https://i.imgur.com/UdxamzX.gif)
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 11, 2014, 11:48:54 AM
I don't really see the GTA elements. It's more Payday 2 with Battlefield. But both done badly.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: a slime appears on June 11, 2014, 08:15:20 PM
I never knew game development was so simple :o

(https://i.imgur.com/UdxamzX.gif)

:rofl

That format is solid gold. Wish I had the gif skills to remake that for other games.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Quaker on June 12, 2014, 05:39:24 PM
The default Heist mode is a boring clusterfuck but Blood Money is pretty cool.

It's a CTF hybrid where each team has a SWAT truck in a parking garage near their base where they have to deposit 5 million dollars. There's a pile of cash in the middle of the map that you draw it from but you can also steal from the other team's pile. You can only carry $500,000 at a time and if you get killed while carrying money it drops and anyone can pick it up. You aren't restricted from driving so you can get to the drop off by motorcycle, car, truck or helicopter. It actually sort of feels like Heat when you steal half a million from the other team and have to get back to your side on foot through downtown.

The right thing to do would be to scrap the single player mode that no one gives a shit about and put it out as a $30 or even $40 standalone expansion but they'll probably make more money this way(at the expensive of goodwill towards the brand.)
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 12, 2014, 05:42:17 PM
I'm honestly kind of interested in the single player. It's being made by people who actually make single player games this time.

Then again, I'm the dude who enjoys CoD single players so I'm the wrong person to listen to.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 12, 2014, 06:03:03 PM
The default Heist mode is a boring clusterfuck but Blood Money is pretty cool.

It's a CTF hybrid where each team has a SWAT truck in a parking garage near their base where they have to deposit 5 million dollars. There's a pile of cash in the middle of the map that you draw it from but you can also steal from the other team's pile. You can only carry $500,000 at a time and if you get killed while carrying money it drops and anyone can pick it up. You aren't restricted from driving so you can get to the drop off by motorcycle, car, truck or helicopter. It actually sort of feels like Heat when you steal half a million from the other team and have to get back to your side on foot through downtown.

The right thing to do would be to scrap the single player mode that no one gives a shit about and put it out as a $30 or even $40 standalone expansion but they'll probably make more money this way(at the expensive of goodwill towards the brand.)

They're both bad. Probably the map but Heist is over in two mins flat if the robbers know what they're doing/coordinate to do it. Blood Money is just as short (but not as short, about five minutes?) if the other side spawn traps the other side from delivering/stealing. They're poorly thought out modes, but since I'm a Rush in Battlefield player I prefer Heist's format if it was tweaked to be longer and less "spawn trappy" about the objectives/starting areas than anything.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 12, 2014, 06:22:25 PM
I never knew game development was so simple :o

(https://i.imgur.com/UdxamzX.gif)

:rofl

That format is solid gold. Wish I had the gif skills to remake that for other games.
That's essentially every elevator pitch ever in Gif form :lol
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2014, 07:50:18 PM
I got the beta for PC today. Played for a bit.

Posted this on my clan's forums regarding my impressions so I'll just repost it here.

Played for a bit today on PC.

I won't be buying it day one or at anywhere close to full price. I just can't do it for what this. I would buy it when it hit half price or a really good sale price. And this isn't the diss it sounds like. I don't think its terrible. In some ways its actually more suited for my tastes than traditional battlefield as it has a more infantry based focus and the vehicles while important aren't frustratingly overwhelming like they can often feel in regular battlefield.

The game is a shameless reskin of battlefield. I mean shameless. That probably won't bother some people and I totally understand that but for me it just bugs me. I just kinda refuse to pay full price for yearly battlefield editions. I love the concept of cops and rubbers but this just feels too close to a mod for me to feel comfortable supporting it at full price. I know it will have a single player and I actually like Visceral games but if given the choice I would just pay for the multiplayer.

As far as the actual gameplay I think the gunplay itself is a slight improvement over battlefield 4 simply because suppression in all its forms appears to be gone. I was never a fan of it in bf 3 and while its better in bf 4 I just don't like having my screen blurred while I'm fighting. I know its supposed to be serving some strategic purpose but ultimately I never liked it. And having it gone makes the combat that much more enjoyable to me. I like the small things like the extended mags being back and the headshot hitmarkers but ultimately to me these are all relatively small tweaks. Nothing to really move the needle for me or make it a must have although like I said the two modes on offer here revolve more around infantry play with a slight sprinkling of vehicles which is my preferred pace. I also like how currently its 32 players. That is often the sweet spot I like where things don't become quite as cluster-fuckish as with 64 players sometimes.

Of the two modes I like blood money more than heist. Blood money is simple enough so that I think most people understand it and it centers the action into mostly 3 spots on the map. Heist seems like it would be fun for coordinated teams but I don't like the capture the flag element once the initial rush aspect is completed. Completely personal taste but I don't like capture the flag modes in public games in most shooters. It's just frustrating as no one actually plays in a way that is conducive to team work so it ends up just being a mess. The few games I played of this mode felt like a mess. The other problem I see is that both modes feel like they lend themselves to trolling a lot. While I like blood money, I can envision teams setting up camp at your deposit and just playing the game in a very douchey manner. I feel like heist has similar potential for people just screwing around.

Other small things. I like how the vehicles handle. For me I thought the cars and motorcyles actually feel fast and responsive in a way that battlefield vehicles almost never do. Although its weird and confusing when you first start playing that some vehicles you can use and other vehicles are just for scenery. The levolution thing is so meh. I think most of us are over this aspect in general and it seems especially tired on this map. I thought it ran pretty well on my PC. I didn't get weird out of the place random frame rate drops like I do in bf sometimes. I like the ready up system before the game starts unlike the stupid way its handled in bf 4 where its a race to see who has the fastest ssd so they can spawn and start playing first.

Ultimately I think its feels like a slightly more arcadey infantry based take on battlefield with a cops and robbers mod skin tossed over it. I totally get that is something that some people would want. I kinda want it. I enjoyed it while I was playing it for the most part. But not for $60.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 01:59:46 AM
Annoying as hell guy but bike stuff  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YpRo8qwFCM
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 13, 2014, 09:16:42 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I've enjoyed this.

The map in the demo is great. Heist mode is a better rush. No annoying tanks.

Seems pretty solid to me.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 13, 2014, 10:16:30 PM
The map in the demo is great. Heist mode is a better rush. No annoying tanks.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Here's how you win as the police:

Rush the bridge.

F3 (though probably F4) to the left (right) interior seat of the armored/mobile outpost center.

Proceed to mow down idiots that try to reach B in cars via your team spotting. Since the rockets take too long to fire/hit and do damage you'll generally be safe enough to mow down fools for the tickets.

Whereas in Rush/BF4 you could at least get a tank on the attacking/"Criminal" team and attempt to provide fire support against another armor without having to rely on four engineers to take said armor down.

I have yet to actually see a useful rocket launcher round in Hardline. People either roadkill you via the boost quickly or the RPG doesn't do enough damage/splash to take out armored gunners so you can hit them a second time. You can try to surprise them but since they get an indicator where the damage is coming from they only have to quickly aim that direction to take you out in seconds.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 13, 2014, 10:27:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152100348166576

Some footage I streamed.

What your describing hasn't happen to me. I do like how you can actually shoot people in cars and vehicle turrets. For some odd reason they basicly removed that in 4. So honestly the vehicles don't feel overpowered at all.

I never play rush in BF3/4 because it is just people rushing to the zone and that's it. At least in this that's just one part as then you have to take the money to another point. So there's constant movement around the map. I like that a lot more then rush which feels like me being funneled towards points and having no reason to move around the rest of the map.

Game seems fine to me.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2014, 11:36:16 PM
I don't really feel comfortable saying anything definitive about both modes. Some of it depends on the quality of the people in the room. Part of it is also that I think both modes are conceptually more complicated than rush or conquest and both are being presented to an all new population of players. Also its one map so its hard to determine if this is a decent map for both modes.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 14, 2014, 12:11:54 AM
It's a bad map for both modes. But the major issues with Heist is:

-Bank trucks are set locations (like Rush)
-Deliver points are set locations (like Rush)
-Able to camp said points with armored trucks (and stealing the Criminals SUV = gg)

Part of that is map design, but most of it is just poor thought. Why would a Heist mode have a set location to deliver points? Why wouldn't they have at least 5 points to go to to where the police have to be paranoid and can't camp a roof to prevent one drop? (Yes it's possible to break through and use a zipline to get over there and other stuff but it's pretty damn easy to defend that and have an armored truck at A to prevent them rushing with it to A)

Blood money:

-Deliver points are pretty easy to defend with an armored truck
-10 delivers of "Max Cash"/500,000 = gg
-Sure, you can steal but why should you? Let them camp in their truck and try to hold on to the middle point so you can make sure they don't get the money they can easily defend at their point.

They aren't really "complicated." Just poorly thought out on a map that really doesn't showcase them. I feel it's going to be the same situation BF4 has with it's various modes: They design for one but don't design for others. And I feels like Conquest is gonna be the star of Hardline if it's in the game.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2014, 12:21:48 AM
They aren't really "complicated." Just poorly thought out on a map that really doesn't showcase them. I feel it's going to be the same situation BF4 has with it's various modes: They design for one but don't design for others. And I feels like Conquest is gonna be the star of Hardline if it's in the game.

Complicated being a relative term I think both modes are more complicated than conquest or rush which both have years of people playing them and multiple games of people playing them. And even decent sections of the population don't really play those modes properly.


While its probably in there I think putting conquest in the game is also really dumb and lazy unless there is an actual cops and rubbers spin on the mode.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 14, 2014, 12:26:33 AM
Nah, they aren't "complicated" after one match. Heist is Rush/CTF mixed. Blood Money is "Conquest/CTF" mixed, kinda. Hard to explain Blood Money in that basic terms since Conquest requires rotation instead of just holding one point and having your team daisy chain objectives to the other flag/your base. *shrug*

I'd say the complication factor for new players is over after a round. Same for veterans.

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And even decent sections of the population don't really play those modes properly.

Same thing happens here as well, I don't see how that "complicates" things. Poor teamwork is just gonna lose no matter the  mode.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: fizzel on June 14, 2014, 09:10:03 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I've enjoyed this.

The map in the demo is great.

BF4 beta was like that, shanghai was the only fun map in the game.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 14, 2014, 01:45:14 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I've enjoyed this.

The map in the demo is great.

BF4 beta was like that, shanghai was the only fun map in the game.
Nah disagree. BF4 has some pretty good maps. Far better then 3's on disc maps.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 14, 2014, 02:00:26 PM
BF4 beta was like that, shanghai was the only fun map in the game.

Mmm... no.

Paracel Storm
Flood Zone (I know a lot of people don't like it, but I do :yeshrug)
Golmund Railway (depends on the mode, Conquest and Obliteration are mostly fine)
Hainan Resort
Zavod 311
Rogue Transmission
Lancang Dam

Just from vanilla alone. If Dawnbreaker didn't crash so much and maybe dropped jets (which make no sense) in PC/"next-gen console" versions, it'd be fine if they redid the Rush sets.

Shanghai isn't bad on Conquest or Obliteration. But on Rush the second set is easily broken by throwing a tank down where the M-COMs are. You can't RPG it and you have to throw your own tank down there to even get a chance to arm. So stupid.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2014, 10:09:36 PM
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During a recent EA Q1 FY2015 earnings call, EA Studios EVP Patrick Söderland shed a little more light on some of the feedback developer Visceral Games gathered from June’s Battlefield Hardline beta that directly influenced the company’s decision to push back the game’s launch to next year.

DICE VP and GM Karl Magnus Troedsson made the announcement earlier today, stating that Battlefield Hardline will launch in early 2015 in order to allow the development team more time to “push Hardline innovation further and make the game even better.” Troedsson added that the studio aims to add “new feature ideas direct from the community that will evolve the cops and criminals fantasy into a truly unique Battlefield Multiplayer experience.”

According to Söderland, the noteworthy feedback coming in during the Beta what what led to its one week extension, which Visceral hoped would allow even more ideas and criticisms to trickle through.

“We allowed people to play for a little bit longer, maybe, than we planned, because we found a lot of feedback from players in there, providing us valid information and feedback around features of the game and how the game felt, etc,” Söderland explained during the call. “And things like the cops and robbers fiction maybe wasn’t shining through properly, you know? Is it playing like a military game, but it should be a cops and robbers game?”

“We saw ideas around asymmetric gameplay, a bunch of really strong, good, well-thought ideas that we decided to listen to,” he added. “And having a long discussion with the team, and looking at where we were, we felt like the best thing for us was to give the development team a little bit of extra time and get the game to where we think it needs to be in order to be successful.”

To us, it sounds like the Visceral concluded that their Cops and Criminals-themed shooter wasn’t quite Cops and Criminal enough to be as convincing as they had originally hoped. That falls in line with some of the majority of the Battlefield community’s criticisms that Visceral’s Battlefield Hardline felt too similar to DICE’s Battlefield 4, which launched last year.

Thus far, reaction to the delay has been slightly mixed, though we’re noticing more positive responses than negative ones. Frankly, if the delay leads to a better Battlefield experience overall next year, we’re all for it.

http://mp1st.com/2014/07/22/battlefield-hardline-delayed-didnt-feel-like-true-cops-robbers-game/?utm_content=featured#.U88ZRvldUro
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2014, 10:12:32 PM
I'm almost willing to bet this gets pulled altogether and retooled into something like PvZ Garden Warfare.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 23, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
I'm almost willing to bet this gets pulled altogether and retooled into something like PvZ Garden Warfare.

That would be a great thing. The whole game needs to be over-hauled. But if they are still releasing this in the spring. Then at best at this will be is relatively minor tweaks to the already existing stuff.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Cops versus Robbers. Visceral Games)
Post by: thisismyusername on July 23, 2014, 12:48:21 AM
I'm almost willing to bet this gets pulled altogether and retooled into something like PvZ Garden Warfare.

That'd be for the best. Get the battlefield albatross off Visceral's neck.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: Groogrux on July 23, 2014, 01:52:03 AM
Welp... Really glad I have a paid off copy reserved at Gamestop... 

 :duh for letting EA dupe me into reserving another BF game

I know I can just keep the reserve, but I'll probably just move it over to something else.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: thisismyusername on July 23, 2014, 07:31:54 AM
Welp... Really glad I have a paid off copy reserved at Gamestop... 

 :duh for letting EA dupe me into reserving another BF game

I know I can just keep the reserve, but I'll probably just move it over to something else.

Uh... moving it back isn't a big deal? You're just waiting slightly longer for your paid-off copy. If EA outright said "LOL CANCELED, BITCH!" I'd understand your "outrage"/frustration. This is a "minor delay" nothing serious?
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: Groogrux on July 23, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
Even though this is just a "minor delay" it is still "frustrating" to me, and I feel "foolish" for reserving a Battlefield game.

I'll still play the game, but I'll probably let it simmer for a while after it comes out before I get it. 
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: thisismyusername on July 23, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
Eh, your money and your choice. I wasn't going to buy it anyway, I just find the "oh it's a delay, fuck pre-orders" to be a huge escalation in thought.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: Groogrux on July 23, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
The escalation was built over time.  Specifically, the two months it took for Battlefield 3 to get all of the kinks worked out, and the 10 months after that when I said I wouldn't pick up another Battlefield game at release, then the 6 months that I played Battlefield 4 where none of the kinks were worked out and I promised I wouldn't pick up the next Battlefield at release.

My frustration with the franchise has been building for a while.  I know that it's a different studio making the game this time, but it's still going to be the same old Battlefield...
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 23, 2014, 12:17:37 PM
I say pull it until Summer 2015. Retool it into something akin to Plants Vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare, or BF1943. Sell the MP for $30-$40. Sell the SP as DL only for $20-$25. Sell the battlepacks and customizations. Give some maps and modes away, sell some. It would be the perfect Summer game. You'd probably sell a lot more, and it would help overcome the hestitation of people who still feel burned by BF4. Otherwise it's very likely you're gonna get creamed by everything else coming out, and this will be the lowest-selling BF ever made.

Also, lighten it the fuck up a little. Make it a bit wackier.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: bork on July 23, 2014, 01:24:26 PM
OK, so now I might try BF4.  Is it better to get it on PS4 or PC?
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: chronovore on July 27, 2014, 03:37:47 AM
I say pull it until Summer 2015. Retool it into something akin to Plants Vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare, or BF1943. Sell the MP for $30-$40. Sell the SP as DL only for $20-$25. Sell the battlepacks and customizations. Give some maps and modes away, sell some. It would be the perfect Summer game. You'd probably sell a lot more, and it would help overcome the hestitation of people who still feel burned by BF4. Otherwise it's very likely you're gonna get creamed by everything else coming out, and this will be the lowest-selling BF ever made.

Also, lighten it the fuck up a little. Make it a bit wackier.

And if the "wackied up" version was a hit, it could theoretically be the window back into the Open World Game shooting/driving/crime theme that EA wants and needs to compete with GTA.

The Garden Warfare stuff is really a fantastic re-envisioning of what the PvZ world into a competitive shooter. It's pretty brilliant. Doing something similar, building a brand across multiple game genre seems like a fantastic opportunity. I know Halo fell on its face with its RTS though, which probably makes marketers fidgety.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: thisismyusername on July 27, 2014, 07:47:21 AM
I know Halo fell on its face with its RTS though, which probably makes marketers fidgety.

Halo fell on it's face because no one asked for a RTS at the time. That and being on console vs PC (which did get a small fanbase for the series with the Halo 1/2 PC ports) which is traditionally "better for RTS" was a death-kiss.

(Though to be fair: I don't think Halo Wars was that bad. Just not really interesting)
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: chronovore on July 27, 2014, 08:17:08 AM
Yeah, plus RTS on console is always DOA.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: tehjaybo on July 27, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
I know Halo fell on its face with its RTS though, which probably makes marketers fidgety.

Sad part is, that's still one of the best controlling RTS games that I've played on console.  It's a really fun game.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: bork on July 28, 2014, 10:23:02 AM
OK, so now I might try BF4.  Is it better to get it on PS4 or PC?

Good question, me.

...

 :'(
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 28, 2014, 10:48:12 AM
I only have the PS4, can't give a comparison. PS4 version plays fine nowadays.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 28, 2014, 01:49:13 PM
OK, so now I might try BF4.  Is it better to get it on PS4 or PC?

Good question, me.

...

 :'(

As a general statement the game is obviously in a better place than when it launched but its still buggy as fuck. A friend asked me should he buy it yesterday and it was a weird case of wanting him to get it so we could play together but having to be honest and say while the game has improved its still buggy as fuck and in no way should he pay full price or whatever its selling at now. If you can find a good deal then sure, but its still a very disappointing product in many ways imo.

I think it probably comes down to simply which control method you prefer when it comes to either playing it on PS4 or PC. The game is in roughly the same shape on either platform. Yeah the PC version is better graphically if you have a good machine but I pretty sure the PS4 version is a more than competent version of Battlefield.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: bork on July 28, 2014, 03:23:49 PM
There's a multiplayer mode that's not 32/64 players and is more like CoD, right?  Basically I'm just wondering if this is worth getting if I like the arcadey CoD and don't like Ghosts.  I'm not hurting for games to play so I wouldn't get this unless it was pretty cheap.  Already missed a chance to get it for $20.

I have a new PC and would be able to run it on high/ultra settings, but I do prefer to play with a controller.  I'm a crazy mofo and will play BLOPS II and Titanfall PC with a 360 controller.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 28, 2014, 04:30:54 PM
There's a multiplayer mode that's not 32/64 players and is more like CoD, right?  Basically I'm just wondering if this is worth getting if I like the arcadey CoD and don't like Ghosts.  I'm not hurting for games to play so I wouldn't get this unless it was pretty cheap.  Already missed a chance to get it for $20.

I have a new PC and would be able to run it on high/ultra settings, but I do prefer to play with a controller.  I'm a crazy mofo and will play BLOPS II and Titanfall PC with a 360 controller.

Based on your description I would go for the PS4 version then. Battlefield is a hard game to play on PC with a controller because the guns have more recoil in relation to COD and TitanFall. It would most likely end up being a frustrating experience on that game with controller on PC.

There are modes that are not vehicle based. Domination. TDM. Even Rush to a degree is more infantry-based than traditional 32 or 64 player Conquest Battlefield.

You might also want to look into the Dragon's Teeth DLC. That entire DLC is more infantry based than traditional battlefield. I love it but that is also my particular niche. I tend to be a very infantry focused player. It also introduces another mode called chainlink which is also infantry focused.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Delayed)
Post by: bork on July 29, 2014, 09:40:07 AM
Cool, will look into it next time the game is discounted.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2015, 02:53:55 AM
Beta is up for the consoles and PC. It lasts 6 days.

Played about an hour this evening.

meh

I'll give more detailed impressions after playing some more, but there is almost no way I will end up purchasing this game unless I get it eventually on deep discount.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: fizzel on February 03, 2015, 10:36:51 AM
Played it, shit.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: thisismyusername on February 03, 2015, 11:54:30 AM
Haven't tried Conquest but:

Hotwire = Conquest but driving around the outside of the map since the "GOTTA GO FAST" requirement to even get the Conquest "capture" function to work takes a while and doesn't seem to work with the beta maps.

Heist = Rush and Capture the Flag but both done badly.

C4, "T-UGS" clone/Camera, and Defibs/Shot not being defaults is a bit "WTF" as is the "unlock" prices for them.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: toku on February 03, 2015, 04:11:39 PM
It's not bad. Played with some bros.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: cool breeze on February 03, 2015, 07:52:13 PM
I was confused by hotwire but driving around kept flashing points on the screen so I think I was playing it right.

it's a weird game.  it really does remind me of a mod, in how the physics and feel of everything don't match the new skin.  I keep thinking about how disappointing it'll be if Battlefront is a similar treatment.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2015, 09:05:00 PM
I keep thinking about how disappointing it'll be if Battlefront is a similar treatment.

Preach it brother.

And yeah I tried Heist mode and found the visual diarrhea of the UI confusing and distracting.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: duckman2000 on February 04, 2015, 10:34:33 AM
Nothing appealing about this. Honestly, BF gunplay has never impressed me. The vehicles and the sheer scale of things had me playing plenty of BF3, but this... meh. It didn't help that I had just played TF.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 04, 2015, 01:32:45 PM
For me it just comes down to a few points.

I don't think it does a good job of capturing what I imagined a cops versus robbers experience would be like.
It's too similar to what battlefield 4 already offers.
To buy this would encourage EA to whore out more battlefield.

For those reasons, I'll pass. I just think its very very average and doesn't excite me which is the opposite of what a videogame is supposed to do.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: SantaC on February 04, 2015, 04:29:59 PM
Critical Edge forum (former mordorhq forum, which was former EA Battlefield UK forums) tore it apart

http://www.criticaledge.net/showthread.php?16351-Opinions-on-BF-H-so-far
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: thisismyusername on February 04, 2015, 06:06:03 PM
Critical Edge forum (former mordorhq forum, which was former EA Battlefield UK forums) tore it apart

http://www.criticaledge.net/showthread.php?16351-Opinions-on-BF-H-so-far

???? Isn't Mordor still up?

I know EA UK got shutdown by EA. But I remember a few months ago there was still threads on Mordor. I didn't have to access an archive on Google to pull up their disappointment with BF3.

That said, they have some legit concerns. But most of the time it reeks of "this isn't BF2.5 so it sucks."

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These youtubers who consulted with Visceral whoever they were are clearly incompetent!

At least they're right about that.
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline (Demo Available)
Post by: Take My Breh Away on February 04, 2015, 08:05:52 PM
Hotwire is fun for about an hour till you realize you want to shoot the radio and also it's basically just who runs to the RPG's first or uses engineer Grenade Launchers to take down cars. Rinse and repeat. Heist is complete turd tho' And you have to wonder how fucked Frostbite is on consoles. Bone is 720P, PS4 900P and both look like complete shithole.

So here's a video review.

http://a.pomf.se/kkeykq.webm

Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 01:51:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8TbMSJRn_4
Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 13, 2015, 05:22:56 PM
The trailer and the ads for this game had me interested, but that gameplay video looks boring as hell. Multiplayer doesn't sound like it's much better.

Title: Re: Battlefield Hardline
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 05:51:03 PM
I think you could make a fun detective/cop campaign but that doesn't look like it to me.