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Title: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2014, 03:50:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDsz1NFBJw

Didn't know Oscar worked for Red Letter Media.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2014, 03:59:46 PM
You're taking a pretty big L if you sat through a 16 minute video entitled "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2014, 04:03:10 PM
You're taking a pretty big L if you sat through a 16 minute video entitled "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"

(http://i.imgur.com/NdXjCmi.png)
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2014, 04:11:07 PM
Does your Dad tell his friends that you're an "embarrassment" or a "disappointment"?
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2014, 04:23:54 PM
Projecting much? :hitler
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 04:40:19 PM
Not gonna watch that but the Genesis Sonic games are legitimately fun, had pretty great graphics for the time, and the soundtracks are absolutely stellar. But it's fine if you don't enjoy them.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2014, 04:43:28 PM
Red Letter media guys are great.

Sonic fans suck.

This is a pretty easy choice.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtWQXhJQ5fg

 :aah
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2014, 04:51:09 PM
I've never heard of Red Letter Media, but those guys look like huge dorks, so no wonder they don't understand the radicalness of Sonic's bodacious 'tude.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 04:52:03 PM
Red Letter Media is where that 70-minute review of The Phantom Menace came from.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2014, 04:57:10 PM
Red Letter Media is where that 70-minute review of The Phantom Menace came from.

:holeup
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Rufus on July 29, 2014, 05:01:40 PM
It's amazing (in a good way). Watch that shit. All of their Star Wars videos are.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2014, 05:09:20 PM
The Star Wars reviews are a million times more entertaining and worth your time than the prequels themselves were. Great stuff.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 05:16:57 PM
The Star Wars reviews are a million times more entertaining and worth your time than the prequels themselves were. Great stuff.

A hernia is more entertaining than the prequels, though.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 05:22:50 PM
Sonic 1 is a classic game and I prefer it to every 2d Mario aside from Yoshi's Island. The other sonics I can live without - sonic 3&knuckles aside - but sonic 1 is a superbly influential and creative game. Stages like Starlight Zone, Labyrinth, Spring Zone, and Scrap Brain Zone pushed what you could do with a 2d platformer that simply had not been seen before.

I haven't watched the video because I refuse to waste my time, but I can think of dozens of more overrated games: Ff7, super Mario bros 3, super Mario 64, f-zero, halo, Okami, god of war, its sequel Sonic 2, its first 3d game Sonic Adventure, and that's just getting started.

Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 29, 2014, 05:29:38 PM
Mike Stoklasa is good. Maybe Jay. The rest of red letter media is pretty ...............meh.

I'm sure there are for more overrated games out there. Like anything Nintendo has made. Demon Souls. Braid. Whatever.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: nachobro on July 29, 2014, 05:29:47 PM
Red Letter Media is where that 70-minute review of The Phantom Menace came from.
:what
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 05:32:05 PM
I forgot to list Sonic Cd. Almost ten years of people hyping that for me because no one had a fucking Sega cd, so I buy it for cheap on pc like in 1999 and it's fucking dog shit and boring as fuck.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 05:33:02 PM
Red Letter Media is where that 70-minute review of The Phantom Menace came from.
:what

It's good. It's hilarious. It has over 1 million views for a reason.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2014, 05:43:33 PM
Red Letter Media is where that 70-minute review of The Phantom Menace came from.
:what

It's good. It's hilarious. It has over 1 million views for a reason.
Aspergers is a growing problem?
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2014, 05:45:06 PM
Red Letter Media is where that 70-minute review of The Phantom Menace came from.
:what

It's good. It's hilarious. It has over 1 million views for a reason.

I'll just watch Charlie Bit My Finger instead.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 05:46:21 PM
Red Letter Media is where that 70-minute review of The Phantom Menace came from.
:what

It's good. It's hilarious. It has over 1 million views for a reason.
Aspergers is a growing problem?

Naw, the first video is the highest viewed one. The views peter after that, because this was the funniest one. To be fair, he crafts a storyline around it, and tells the review as a character. So you want to know what happens next.

Over 5 million people have seen this review.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 05:50:13 PM
"Star Wars the phantom menace is the most disappointing thing since my son....and while my son eventually hung himself in the bathroom of a gas station, the unfortunate truth about the Star Wars prequels is that they'll always be around. They can never go away, they can never be undone."

:lol
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2014, 05:50:41 PM
Edgy
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Steve Youngblood on July 29, 2014, 05:55:18 PM
"Star Wars the phantom menace is the most disappointing thing since my son....and while my son eventually hung himself in the bathroom of a gas station, the unfortunate truth about the Star Wars prequels is that they'll always be around. They can never go away, they can never be undone."

:lol

I'm honestly not the biggest fan of the Plinkett character that he created, but I find the reviews entertaining all the same.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: magus on July 29, 2014, 06:03:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNEZ4WWQIk
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2014, 06:07:03 PM
I remember when the Phantom Menace review thread was posting on GAF. About 4 pages of "Wtf?" sliding into eventual "Wow, this is amazing" territory.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 29, 2014, 06:09:20 PM
I liked the first two Sonic Genesis games back when they came out, but I doubt I'd ever go back and play them again.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on July 29, 2014, 06:20:27 PM
I really like RLM, and Rich Evans is a super solid dude, but Pre Rec is pretty rough. They're awful at games and sound like they have no idea what they're talking about.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: brob on July 29, 2014, 06:44:36 PM
I like ICO. A quick lil thing with low ambitions and fairytale tropes.  :yeshrug

Def overrated tho, since gamers are garbage people and incapable of anything less than furious yelling. But I don't really hold the game responsible for that. 
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: brob on July 29, 2014, 07:13:12 PM
true. I was more responding to exodust getting all huffy about how it was the literal worst and how he just can't rn
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
I never found ICO that bad. It's average to be sure, but it's not awful.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
ICO gets worse with each playthrough I think. And I mean that as in, like, you can't do a third one.
I don't know what the most overrated game is because that shit is hard to quantify, but Sonic 16-bit's rep is as 9.5's when the games are really a consistent bunch of 8's.
I feel like their "scores" at the time were 8-9's more than 9.5-10's. Then sometime around like 2002 there was this revisionist history where they were all-time classics, top ten games ever, etc.

Anecdotally, and the that means it's a fact you can take to the bank, everyone I knew kinda got a Genesis for Madden/NHL/Sonic but the people in the latter camp wound up moving on to other stuff like I dunno all the other platformers or Beyond Oasis or something. Each Sonic game was a cool new thing but wasn't like the next Street Fighter or whatever in terms of mad hype.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: magus on July 29, 2014, 07:24:44 PM
guys guys

if you want to look at the most overrated game ever, it's either earthbound or a zelda game

either way nintendo fans are twats and need to be slapped in the face!

or alternatively...

(http://psmedia.playstation.com/is/image/psmedia/the-last-of-us-remastered-two-column-01-ps4-us?$TwoColumn_Image$)

and i haven't even played the game so i don't know if it's actualy good or not! i mean... are there even 200 journalist gaming outlet to give an award to the game? please don't tell me that there are that many, my heart would just break...
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: brob on July 29, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
but hey, getting back on topic:

There are two white boys born in boston the 90s*  on the something awful let's play forum who have made (continue to make?) video lets plays of ALL the sonic games.

like, there is a youtube playlist of 198 videos of ALL of your sonic favorites. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB03C1EE50686295B)


*miraculously neither is andrex??
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2014, 07:38:40 PM
but hey, getting back on topic:

There are two white boys born in boston the 90s*  on the something awful let's play forum who have made (continue to make?) video lets plays of ALL the sonic games.

like, there is a youtube playlist of 198 videos of ALL of your sonic favorites. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB03C1EE50686295B)


*miraculously neither is andrex??

If a Sonic LP doesn't include Pokecapn, Medibot, Kaz, and Kung-Fu Jesus, it's not worth watching.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 07:42:02 PM
Earthbound IS pretty overrated.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2014, 07:42:56 PM
I think Sonic sucks. Was always incredibly over-rated. And people who still pine for sonic games are weirdos.

But then we all have our opinions. I'm sure other people feel the exact same way about the things I like. That's why its the internet. Only weirdos get mad at other people's opinions on videogames.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: cool breeze on July 29, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
way I see it sega fans hyped sonic and nintendo fans hyped donkey kong country.  everyone was out of their minds back then.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 07:44:10 PM
I can understand not liking sonic or finding it overrated. But most overrated game? I can't take that opinion seriously on any level.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 07:45:06 PM
way I see it sega fans hyped sonic and nintendo fans hyped donkey kong country.  everyone was out of their minds back then.

DKC2 and Sonic 3k were good though.

Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
I can't take that opinion seriously on any level.

I could say the same for a lot of the stuff you post. Opinions and all. Same goes for me I'm sure with certain people on here.  And I don't mean that as dickish as it sounds. What I'm trying to say is if a video titled Sonic is the most over-rated game of all time bothers you, then you need to take a look in the mirror. That last bit isn't aimed at you. Just a general observation.

Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 07:47:08 PM
I can't take that opinion seriously on any level.

I could say the same for a lot of the stuff you post. Opinions and all. And I don't mean that as dickish as it sounds. What I'm trying to say is if a video titled Sonic is the most over-rated game of all time bothers you, then you need to take a look in the mirror. That last bit isn't aimed at you. Just a general observation.

It really doesn't bother me much at all. I even listed three overrated sonic games!
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2014, 07:54:01 PM
way I see it sega fans hyped sonic and nintendo fans hyped donkey kong country.  everyone was out of their minds back then.

I'm so there with you.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2014, 07:54:50 PM
way I see it sega fans hyped sonic and nintendo fans hyped donkey kong country.  everyone was out of their minds back then.

DKC2 and Sonic 3k were good though.

Trying to get Oscar to leave the Bore? (http://i.imgur.com/z7F4jYO.png)
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2014, 07:55:34 PM
but hey, getting back on topic:

There are two white boys born in boston the 90s*  on the something awful let's play forum who have made (continue to make?) video lets plays of ALL the sonic games.

like, there is a youtube playlist of 198 videos of ALL of your sonic favorites. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB03C1EE50686295B)


*miraculously neither is andrex??
There's some let's play linked on GAF ages ago of Sonic 06 where the dudes are all "you know, this isn't that bad" and then immediately they fall through the floor like ten times and the game goes insane with its physics and stuff.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 08:00:35 PM
way I see it sega fans hyped sonic and nintendo fans hyped donkey kong country.  everyone was out of their minds back then.

DKC2 and Sonic 3k were good though.

Trying to get Oscar to leave the Bore? (http://i.imgur.com/z7F4jYO.png)

I said DKC2 not 1.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2014, 08:03:25 PM
way I see it sega fans hyped sonic and nintendo fans hyped donkey kong country.  everyone was out of their minds back then.

I'm so there with you.

Primal Rage and Clayfighters.

:beli


DKC is definitely overrated, probably more so than Sonic.  Both of them are more overrated than Zelda games, which are sometimes overrated and sometimes underrated.

TLoU is definitely shaping up to be a strong contender. 

My personal nominee, not for most overrated, but pretty damned overrated, is Half-Life 2.  Good game but people carry on like it's the greatest thing ever.

Agreed with HL2. Haven't played TLOU. Zelda depends on the entry.

For what it's worth, the HL2 Episodes are MUCH better than standard HL2, but yeah, HL2 is pretty fucking overrated.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 29, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
I replay HL2 every couple of years or so. Love the atmosphere and the way you're always moving, even through the story bits. There's a couple of games I do that with - sort of my video game versions of mashed potatoes and gravy, or a big bowl of chili on a cold night.  I never participate in praise threads about them, though.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2014, 08:09:31 PM
The thing is I think time eventually fixes a lot of this stuff. Things tend to be "over-rated" for a good long while and then properly rated years later.

I think the Sonic thing is a correction to the over-analysis and over interest in all things sonic for all these years.

Half-Life 2 was a great single player fps campaign shooter for its time but its no more important than Deus Ex, or Doom, COD 4, or a lot of other important fps games in the genre historically. It's just that game has developed a cult around it because of Valve.

And yeah I definitely feel that way about the Last of Us as I've gone on about time after time. Good game? Yes. Greatest game? No. In time there will be a correction there too. It's just that currently Naughty Dog is viewed as capable of no wrong by a large group of fans and media so the balanced criticism of their games isn't there at the moment.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 29, 2014, 08:10:13 PM
gabe can go fuck himself until he lets me avenge benson, though
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: magus on July 29, 2014, 08:17:46 PM
this is such a GAF topic btw

it's because

(http://i.imgur.com/hjJESDW.gif)
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2014, 10:33:44 PM
this is such a GAF topic btw

Mission complete. :jawalrus
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 29, 2014, 10:37:04 PM
The only thing I found entertaining regarding Sonic:

(http://i.imgur.com/LQ8m6E3.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/42lva.jpg)
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Fifstar on July 30, 2014, 03:51:14 AM
I don't know what the most overrated game is because that shit is hard to quantify, but Sonic 16-bit's rep is as 9.5's when the games are really a consistent bunch of 8's.
I feel like their "scores" at the time were 8-9's more than 9.5-10's. Then sometime around like 2002 there was this revisionist history where they were all-time classics, top ten games ever, etc.

Anecdotally, and the that means it's a fact you can take to the bank, everyone I knew kinda got a Genesis for Madden/NHL/Sonic but the people in the latter camp wound up moving on to other stuff like I dunno all the other platformers or Beyond Oasis or something. Each Sonic game was a cool new thing but wasn't like the next Street Fighter or whatever in terms of mad hype.

Yeah, I think most reviews here were around 8.5 for Sonic games during that era.

My personal nominee, not for most overrated, but pretty damned overrated, is Half-Life 2.  Good game but people carry on like it's the greatest thing ever.

Agreed. It's a good game, but I don't understand why it's so often discussed as one of the best games ever. Original game might up there, but not HL2.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Fifstar on July 30, 2014, 01:25:21 PM
Do people outside of forums give a shit about Dark Souls though. It's a game that makes gaffers feel like they are teh hardc0re if they like it. Not advancing the medium but the core of the medium or something like that.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
They revealed dark souls 2 at the fucking spike vgas, which is a hellhole of mainstream bullshit gaming, so yes.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 30, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
This is the worst topic here in a while
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2014, 04:38:07 PM
This is the worst topic here in a while

You're welcome.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2014, 05:17:37 PM
This is the worst topic here in a while

not any worse than any of your sony topics from last year.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 30, 2014, 05:28:45 PM
i would vote for final fantasy 7, but i don't really care.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 07:14:19 PM
This is the worst topic here in a while
Well, the jerk store called and they're running out of you!
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: tiesto on July 30, 2014, 10:11:20 PM
HL2 felt like a leap forward in graphics, presentation, physics etc. It immediately made Doom 3 feel kinda trash in comparison so that's why. Awesome game.

Dark Souls is the most overrated game of all time. Ugly as fuck, trial and error dreck :zzz . The only reason people talk about it is because of how desperate everyone is for a non-shit japanese game or a non-shit hard game. 6/10.

I haven't played too much of Dark Souls yet but I thought Half Life 2 was one of the most overrated games I've ever played. Long levels that stretch a (usually shitty) gimmick to its dragging point, floaty movement where you were constantly getting stuck on the environment, and a few easy seesaw physics puzzles and vehicles with crappy controls for "variety".

Goldeneye's gotta be up there too, game was technically deficient even back then with its 10 FPS framerate in multiplayer.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2014, 10:33:04 PM
Well I think part and parcel with "over-rated" is a lot more complex nuanced discussion which involves influential games or innovative games. Some games are important not necessarily because they are timeless classics but because they opened the door to something different or something bigger.

Goldeneye is an important and influential game because it was the first, big fps shooter that really demonstrated that fps games were something that a mass console audience would be into and especially on the multiplayer side. Not that it was the first console fps game of course. But that it was the first one that really resonated. The fact that it would be very difficult to go back and play Goldeneye now is arguably true. But the influence of that game is a lot more important than just the goldeneye experience. Not every game is something that everybody will want to play 10 or 20 years down the road. I think a very small amount of games retain that sort of relevance.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Fifstar on July 31, 2014, 01:24:30 PM
Goldeneye has a lot of problems, but also a a lot of innovations or leaps in executions. The way zooming/aiming with the crosshair worked (very cleverly adapted to the N64 controller), the different targets on the difficulty levels which also change the way you approach the levels (relatively few other FPS do this and most of the time they do it in less interesting ways), some great designed levels (first level for example, also brilliantly teaches you how to play the game), the elegant mixture of sneaking with satisfying stealth kills and full on action sequences, the tons of multiplayer options, they way the weapon becomes an extension of the player, compared to other games where the gun is just glued to the side or the middle of the screen. Somewhat difficult to go back today because of technical reasons and some levels are awful (partly due to being overambitious), but it wasn't just the first good console shooter, it also was really different from pc shooters of that time.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: bork on July 31, 2014, 01:50:01 PM
My favorite thing about Goldeneye is that it made a whole generation of gamers put the movie up a pedestal.  I never heard anyone talk about that movie, then two years later when the game came out, it was suddenly one of the best Bond movies.
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Himu on July 31, 2014, 01:54:33 PM
Haha, to be fair, goldeneye was a big deal when it came out. First bond movie in theaters in a lonnnnng time
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: Tasty on July 31, 2014, 01:56:48 PM
Sean Bean :jawalrus
Title: Re: "Sonic: The Most Overrated Game Ever?"
Post by: a slime appears on August 02, 2014, 09:43:01 PM
So I actually tried to watch this video and FUCK I couldn't make it through half of it. :-\

I mean, Sonic is overrated but so is half the nostalgia shit we go nuts for. Who cares; Sonic did what it needed to do and kids loved it.

However I think a lot of people confuse 'overrated' with 'being a product of its time' or simply not aging well.