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Title: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on October 22, 2014, 01:31:59 AM: Dem scores for the uninitiated:
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/bayonetta-2

A couple of days earlier but it's cool it's Bayonetta~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXhhdNL05sY
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Post by: Beezy on October 22, 2014, 01:35:11 AM: Pre-ordered on amazon. Trying to hold out on getting a Wii U until Black Friday. :(
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2014, 01:36:25 AM: I heard Platinum Games is a really terrible developer, just put out some crazy garbage called The Legend of Koppa or something. I'd probably avoid anything they touch, unless it's Darksiders.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2014, 01:45:49 AM: Will buy this, a Weeeoooo, and Weeeooooo Zelda all used someday so as not to encourage any Nintendo proliferation.
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Post by: thisismyusername on October 22, 2014, 08:27:38 AM: Will wait for Dolphin U. :jawalrus
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Post by: Rufus on October 22, 2014, 09:55:00 AM: You'll be waiting a long time. Just get a used Woo or something. :dayum
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Post by: Shaka Khan on October 22, 2014, 10:40:35 AM: Next month. :(
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Post by: mjemirzian on October 22, 2014, 10:44:08 AM: I'm looking forward to Bayo 2. The demo was short but felt a lot like Bayo 1.

So far I have Donkey Kong, Mario Kart 8, and W101 for my Wii U. DK and MK8 are excellent, W101 I never got into.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: thisismyusername on October 22, 2014, 11:01:13 AM: Quote from: Rufus on October 22, 2014, 09:55:00 AM
You'll be waiting a long time. Just get a used Woo or something. :dayum

You misunderstand: I have no intention of buying Bayonetta. :jawalrus When I can play it on PC for free, that'll be when I try it for 10 mins go "yeah, Devil May Cry is better" and go back to playing DMC. :jawalrus
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Post by: bork on October 22, 2014, 11:11:13 AM: :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper
(http://s10.postimg.org/ixldrjbsn/get.gif)

:gladbron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99nc6tHDbLw
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2014, 02:02:05 PM: (http://i.imgur.com/og3E90L.gif)
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Post by: Cheddahz on October 22, 2014, 05:46:40 PM: Don't have work on Friday, so I'm gonna crack out on this game all day (as soon as I pick it up, that is)

:noah :noah :noah :noah :noah :noah :noah
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Post by: SpeedStats on October 22, 2014, 06:19:16 PM: Quote from: Shaka Khan on October 22, 2014, 10:40:35 AM
Next month. :(

I'm broke. I've gotta wait until Christmas while everyone else rubs it in. :(
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Post by: Supermanisdead on October 22, 2014, 08:05:39 PM: have next week off. lord give me the strength to survive for two days :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
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Post by: demi on October 24, 2014, 11:01:31 AM: US version unboxing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_dnp3TW-kg
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Cheddahz on October 24, 2014, 12:06:04 PM: game is dope (but i as already expecting it to be)
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2014, 12:22:03 PM: Quote from: SpeedStats on October 22, 2014, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: Shaka Khan on October 22, 2014, 10:40:35 AM
Next month. :(

I'm broke. I've gotta wait until Christmas while everyone else rubs it in. :(

(http://i.imgur.com/OoKrd6l.gif)
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Post by: cosmicblizzard on October 24, 2014, 03:04:50 PM: It came in, but I'm heading to the Bahamas for a week so I won't get to play it until after :(
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on October 24, 2014, 03:42:50 PM: UPS plz come :tocry

Have fun in the Bahamas cosmic!
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: bork on October 24, 2014, 08:17:40 PM: The game's opening made me umbra climax.
:lawd

It doesn't seem to matter the platform that this game is on-- all the crazy shit going on looks absolutely beautiful, and it's all going at 60 FPS and 1080P to boot. Insanely good art direction.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 24, 2014, 09:13:12 PM: Do you have to buy it early to get both games?
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: mjemirzian on October 25, 2014, 12:55:35 AM: Just completed it, it's great.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Positive Touch on October 25, 2014, 12:58:16 AM: i hate everyone in this thread
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: bork on October 25, 2014, 01:13:22 AM: Played two hours of Bayo 2 and an hour of the original game. All the concerns I had over Kamiya not being the director are gone. From a game play standpoint, a lot of the game feels the same to me, but with more polish. The visuals are also a much bigger leap than I thought, after playing the original again. Huge difference.

The game doesn't look as nice on the Wii U game pad. That's fine by me, since I find the game pad too clunky to use for this title anyway. I can see myself using it for a little bit of offscreen play here and there, but the pro controller is definitely the way to go here.

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 24, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
Do you have to buy it early to get both games?

Not sure.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 25, 2014, 01:50:50 AM: Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 24, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
Do you have to buy it early to get both games?
God if you do.....I'll have to buy one now. I doubt I get a wii u anytime soon, but I don't want to miss out on the Bayonetta one port.
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Post by: demi on October 25, 2014, 02:12:08 AM: It's possible its a first print run, but I hardly doubt its going to be hard to find.

Anecdotal evidence though - I couldnt find this at GameStop or Target at all. Another store (Meijer) had only 4 copies - 3 left when I came.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Rman on October 25, 2014, 12:05:00 PM: Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 24, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
Do you have to buy it early to get both games?

No. It's packed in.
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Post by: Take My Breh Away on October 25, 2014, 12:08:36 PM: Bayo 1+2 is only going to have one print run in Europe apparently. It sold out on Amazon.

Only Gamestop had it for €70. Argos had €55 but it won't come in till next Weds at least so had to order it because fuck the Gamestop tax :tocry
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Post by: Supermanisdead on October 25, 2014, 03:09:36 PM: i got the last copy at my gs without preordering. either each store ordered 3 copies ( :lol), or this game is actually doing well ( :-*)
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2014, 04:23:13 PM: Quote from: Supermanisdead on October 25, 2014, 03:09:36 PM
i got the last copy at my gs without preordering. either each store ordered 3 copies ( :lol), or this game is actually doing well ( :-*)

Yes, and no. In that order.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: demi on October 25, 2014, 05:02:23 PM: This game is absolutely amazing, btw.

Playing on "3rd Climax" which I guess is hard? Dunno
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Post by: Cheddahz on October 25, 2014, 05:08:57 PM: I don't know why, but Bayonetta 2 feels easier to me than Bayonetta 1
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: demi on October 25, 2014, 05:51:33 PM: You might just be used to the game. I 1000'd Bayo so I'm familiar with what works and how to fight. Game literally feels untouched. Like an expansion pack.

I think some stuff is already unlocked? Like the Cheetah Run
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Post by: iconoclast on October 26, 2014, 01:25:28 AM: I've played through 3rd Climax twice so far. I still think I'm missing some collectibles, so I'll probably clean that up before doing Infinite Climax. Right now I don't think the first game does a single thing better than this one (or nothing important, at least). They even made the Alfheims bearable by getting rid of the shitty gimmick missions and instead having almost all of them be some type of variation of "kill everything". I can't really think of anything to complain about.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: demi on October 26, 2014, 01:50:07 AM: Just finished it. Its pretty much the same as Bayo 1 minus the shitty QTEs. Another perfect game.

The 1v1 fights are dope as fuck, especially against the Lumen Sage.

Story is eh, of course...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It basically turns into a time-loop
[close]
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Post by: mjemirzian on October 26, 2014, 05:58:47 AM: I liked the Alfheim variety in Bayo 1 more. Most of the Bayo 2 Alfheim conditions are things you're supposed to be doing anyway like not getting hit, keeping up combo, and finishing quickly.

The lack of QTEs and less mashing is welcome, though.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: tiesto on October 26, 2014, 08:58:59 AM: Quote from: demi on October 25, 2014, 02:12:08 AM
It's possible its a first print run, but I hardly doubt its going to be hard to find.

Anecdotal evidence though - I couldnt find this at GameStop or Target at all. Another store (Meijer) had only 4 copies - 3 left when I came.

I had to go to a few stores to find a copy but finally found one at Wal Mart, they JUST got a box of like 3 copies.
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Post by: dmj on October 26, 2014, 09:12:36 AM: Quote from: demi on October 26, 2014, 01:50:07 AM
Just finished it. Its pretty much the same as Bayo 1 minus the shitty QTEs. Another perfect game.

Thank fuck the shitty QTEs are gone. I never played Bayo 1 so I beat it when I picked this up, and my god, the QTEs were AWFUL. Same with the artificial difficulty spikes by having you face 2 and 3 of the same monster when you beat one of them, or fighting the same bosses over and over again. Overall the combat was quite fun, so I'm ready to start B2 now.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: demi on October 26, 2014, 09:14:46 AM: They added "Umbran Climaxes" which basically give you a burst of strength, and small health regen. It's nothing game-breaking at all.

I used Rakshasha in the entire game, lol. Messed with the Alruna a bit, but I felt more comfortable with Rakshasha.

When you beat the game, you unlock the Chain Chomp.

I havent tried Tag Climaxes, but I'd like to give it a spin once.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 26, 2014, 09:18:32 AM: Quote from: mjemirzian on October 26, 2014, 05:58:47 AM
Most of the Bayo 2 Alfheim conditions are things you're supposed to be doing anyway like not getting hit, keeping up combo, and finishing quickly.

That's exactly why I like them. :D

I am especially happy about how little mashing there is now. With the addition of Umbran Climax, Torture Attacks are far more situational and don't need to be used as often (I almost never use them). Especially since enemy weapons aren't nearly as valuable for score as they were in the first game, so there's no need to TA them for the guaranteed drop. Platinum ironed out pretty much all of my complaints.
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Post by: demi on October 26, 2014, 09:24:33 AM: I'd say the water combat bits were pretty shit, along with the aerial combat.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 26, 2014, 11:01:09 AM: Water combat can be annoying the first time through, but it's fine once you have better weapons (Alraune and the scythe are good), techniques (the move that lets you zip to an enemy by double tapping lock-on), and more magic to Umbran Climax if you want. I never had a problem with the air battles, though. They play just like ground combat, except you don't have your jump attacks IIRC. Not that big a deal.
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Post by: mjemirzian on October 26, 2014, 01:35:42 PM: Here's a short guide (http://pastebin.com/82cAgCGh) I'm working on. It has every verse location including the missable ones and alfheims, so you might find it handy.

Playing through infinite climax now, it's very good.
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Post by: Supermanisdead on October 26, 2014, 02:34:45 PM: I beat Bayo 1 when it came out on 360 and I don't remember it being so hard. I got old and played too many turn based jrpgs :'(
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Post by: dmj on October 26, 2014, 04:42:25 PM: Bayonetta 2 flows so much better than Bayo 1. The levels are still too long tho, and consistently overstay their welcome. And the cutscenes are still too long as well, on top of being awfully placed. Having fun with this game tho
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Post by: iconoclast on October 30, 2014, 12:05:46 PM: Finished my Pure Platinum run thru 3rd Climax earlier today. Scores/times: http://i.imgur.com/xNk5uBL.jpg

Only thing I don't like right now is the Bracelet of Time. It is comically overpowered. If you keep that thing equipped the entire time and use it liberally, you can combo everything from full health to death without much trouble. I felt bad about using it on a couple of the bosses, but I didn't want to grind out a proper strategy to beat them. :(

Maybe it's not so bad if you use the Gaze of Despair to try and balance it out.

Quote from: mjemirzian on October 26, 2014, 01:35:42 PM
Here's a short guide (http://pastebin.com/82cAgCGh) I'm working on. It has every verse location including the missable ones and alfheims, so you might find it handy.

Playing through infinite climax now, it's very good.

Yeah, this was helpful. Seems like it's going to be similar to the guide you made for the first game.
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Post by: mjemirzian on October 30, 2014, 04:45:52 PM: Good job on the PPs. Thanks glad you found it useful.

I just got platinum/PP on all of 2nd climax, and cleared infinite climax (crap scores).

Yeah Bayonetta 2 is even less balanced than Bayo 1, even with the kilgore glitch.

Several very OP accessories like Bracelet of Time. Pulley's Butterfly still pretty OP for avoiding damage.

I haven't messed with the Climax Brace 1 and 2 but I'm pretty sure they both negate your score for the stage? Otherwise they'd be extremely OP.

You can spam items with no rank penalty. Want infinite magic and perma-witch time? Just spam those items for free PPs.

If you use accessories/items the difficulty is a joke even on Infinite, if you don't use items/accessories it's harder than Bayo 1.
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on November 02, 2014, 07:50:06 AM: It's funny when you're doing really well on a boss and then you become self aware of how good you've been doing and start fucking up for the rest of fight. This happens constantly for me especially after chapter 10. Thanks for the guide mjemirzian.
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Post by: Beezy on November 02, 2014, 11:37:59 AM: Quote from: Junpei the Tracer! on November 02, 2014, 07:50:06 AM
It's funny when you're doing really well on a boss and then you become self aware of how good you've been doing and start fucking up for the rest of fight. This happens constantly for me especially after chapter 10. Thanks for the guide mjemirzian.
This happens to me in a lot of games. Gonna finally start Bay 2 today. :hyper
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Post by: cool breeze on November 02, 2014, 12:47:43 PM: game is awesome. I like how much more colorful it is than bayonetta 1. but I don't know why I keep watching the cutscenes. they're so awful, frequently, long, and that new street rat character is the worst.
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Post by: mjemirzian on November 02, 2014, 02:19:07 PM: No problem, here's an updated version with Infinite climax enemies included (http://pastebin.com/XkTJMNkb).
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Post by: iconoclast on November 11, 2014, 06:37:52 PM: Just finished my Infinite Climax Pure Platinum run (uploading the replays here (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfI6IYca_kvOAGbPbbYQ16NpDCvYArXJU))
(http://i.imgur.com/aCfBPqi.jpg)
Took a little longer than I would've liked because I was sick for a few days, but I'm glad I finished right before I got the Halo collection.

Normally I'd write some type of review, but ain't nobody got time for that when there's a metric fuckton of Halo to be played. I'll just say that the game is amazing, and that the only flaw that really sticks out to me is some poor balancing. The Bracelet of Time and the earrings that transform you into the mech are insanely overpowered, and of course, Pulley's Butterfly is as godly as ever. All of those are practically "I Win" buttons (though some of the bosses are still a challenge to PP, even with the BoT). I also don't like how they removed the penalty for item usage. It would be fine if there were only items for health recovery, magic recovery, and even the attack power increase, but not when there's an item that literally makes you invincible. What a joke, lol.

All that being said, it's still better than the original in every way and it's one of the best games in the genre. I especially like how the mid-size enemies can now defend themselves with their parry ability. It makes combat much more interesting.
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Post by: mjemirzian on November 11, 2014, 08:42:41 PM: Congrats. Did you use items in addition to Bracelet, Earrings, and Pulley's?

I'm trying to do a challenge PP run with no items and none of those accessories but it's hard going.

Balance is pretty whack, it's either broken easy with those accessories and items (especially the item that makes you completely invincible), or very difficult.
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Post by: iconoclast on November 12, 2014, 12:31:02 PM: Nope, I didn't use items or the earrings and pulley's. I did use the BoT on the final boss and a couple of the other human bosses, though. I've never really tried to PP them without the BoT because I wanted to be done by the time Halo came out. :-[
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Post by: bork on November 12, 2014, 02:52:18 PM: I was so hyped to play this and it's pretty much just been sitting there. :-[ Only played a couple of levels. The game is so AWESOME yet I'm not playing it. Dunno what's wrong with me.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 12, 2014, 06:38:10 PM: Quote from: bork laser on November 12, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
I was so hyped to play this and it's pretty much just been sitting there. :-[ Only played a couple of levels. The game is so AWESOME yet I'm not playing it. Dunno what's wrong with me.

same. I think it's because I don't want to play it when I get home, when it's late and I'm kinda tired.
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Post by: Beezy on November 15, 2014, 11:29:52 PM: Just beat this and I agree that it's better than the first in every way. :heartbeat

Gonna let a friend borrow it with my Wii U tomorrow. I'll go about unlocking everything and playing through infinite climax once I get it back.
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Post by: mjemirzian on November 16, 2014, 01:56:54 AM: So here's the IC/PP challenge run I'm trying to do. I'll probably give up on it though.

1. No items.

2. Only Evil Harvest Rosary, Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa, Gaze of Despair, and (maybe) Eternal Testimony allowed. Gaze isn't mandatory but I'll try to equip it most of the time.

3. No gameplay altering costumes.

3. Avoid 'farming' too much magic outside of verses by entering/exiting areas.
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Post by: Beezy on November 16, 2014, 10:05:04 AM: Just realized that iconoclast did his IC/PP run without the Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa, shit. There's no way that I would've got through IC in Bay 1 for the 360 without that item. :lol
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Post by: iconoclast on November 16, 2014, 09:43:57 PM: Nah, I had the Moon equipped most of the time. Honestly, I think it's kinda useless because it breaks your dodge offset if you accidentally parry while trying to dodge towards an enemy, and dodging is pretty much always better than parrying. I thought about switching it out, but didn't know what else I could use besides Harvest Rosary (which hurts your score, presumably) or the Gaze of Despair. I'll save that for a future playthrough.

Good luck on your challenge run, mjemirzian. The enemies in this game seemed much faster and more aggressive than the original, so some of them are really hard to deal with when enraged.
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Post by: bork on November 17, 2014, 08:30:55 AM: Quote from: fryinghigh on November 12, 2014, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: bork laser on November 12, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
I was so hyped to play this and it's pretty much just been sitting there. :-[ Only played a couple of levels. The game is so AWESOME yet I'm not playing it. Dunno what's wrong with me.

same. I think it's because I don't want to play it when I get home, when it's late and I'm kinda tired.

Said "fuck it" last night and went back to the game. Had a blast and figured I'd play one more stage before taking the dog out a half hour later. Before I knew it, almost two hours had passed. :o

That Bayonetta/Lumen Sage boss fight was amazing. :o
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Post by: mjemirzian on November 20, 2014, 01:18:27 AM: Video playlist for my challenge run (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi40GY1ofTAfxvfyTW-UVeeRmIIV1EnpP). Up to ch 2 so far. I'm trying to switch up weapons so it's not too boring.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on December 02, 2014, 10:36:40 PM: Quick question: Does Bayo 1 come as a physical disk or downloadable code? Cause I just bought it used from Amazon's Warehouse Deals for $36 (w/ Prime shipping). The fine print only warns about missing downloadable codes.

(http://i.imgur.com/WCcoYoQ.png)

The two games for $36 is too good to be true, especially since it didn't go on sale anywhere (beside BB's B1G1 40% off). If this is only Bayo 2 then I'm canceling.
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Post by: demi on December 02, 2014, 10:49:20 PM: Its a separate disc. Download code may mean Club Nintendo?
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Post by: Shaka Khan on December 02, 2014, 10:52:23 PM: That's what I thought. I don't care about that, obviously. This is effectively 40% off. The closest thing we got to this was BB's sale. Crossing my fingers for both games.
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Post by: bork on December 03, 2014, 08:21:28 AM: It would be pretty scummy of the seller to remove the Bayo 1 disk, but I could see it happening. :-\

Also this game is GOTY. :bow2
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Post by: Shino on December 03, 2014, 10:02:22 AM: got my Wii U hooked up last night and played it.

It's just as fun as the first one! Need to get a Pro controller though.
That giant piece of ridiculousness is horrible.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: demi on December 03, 2014, 10:04:42 AM: I played it just fine using tablet, on hard difficulty.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Shino on December 03, 2014, 10:11:24 AM: Quote from: demi on December 03, 2014, 10:04:42 AM
I played it just fine using tablet, on hard difficulty.
I have no doubt it's possible.
But I have little desire to do it.

I'm going to try out the Wii Classic controller tonight and see if I fair better with that.
I didn't have any problems playing, it just wasn't comfortable at all.
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Post by: bork on December 03, 2014, 11:07:54 AM: The Pro controller is worth it for games like this. Plus it actually has excellent battery life.
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Post by: mjemirzian on December 03, 2014, 05:19:05 PM: I'm up to Ch 10 on my Bayo 2 challenge run. As expected the Masked Lumen is the worst, and the demon enemies are faster and more dangerous than the angel enemies.

I've kept the Gaze of Despair equipped the entire time which really ups the difficulty. Playlist is here again (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi40GY1ofTAfxvfyTW-UVeeRmIIV1EnpP).
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 03, 2014, 06:40:04 PM: Pro controller is a godsend. And the battery life is crazy long... like, I've been playing Smash regularly since I bought it but I've yet recharge it. I tried it with Bayo's demo and ended up enjoying it even more. Can't wait for Friday to start playing these games.

Side note: I played some Smash matches on my bed using the pro controller and the gamepad+cradle combo for a tiny display. Worked better than expected. No regrets. I am now a fully grown Ninfungus, I know.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 05, 2014, 07:07:07 PM: Got my copy. Both disks included. Club Nintendo code still unused. All for $36. Thank you, Santa. 8)
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Positive Touch on December 05, 2014, 07:12:06 PM: hell yeah son play that shit
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Bebpo on December 15, 2014, 01:18:26 AM: Finally started playing this. Good stuff, but yeah 2nd Climax is reaaaally easy. Should I start over on 3rd Climax for first run? Or should I play 2nd Climax to get a feel for the stages/enemy patterns and then have a fun run on 3rd Climax?

Also I'm using the Tablet and controls seem fine? I mean the main button that matters in Bayo is the dodge button and R works perfectly fine on the default Wii U tablet.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: iconoclast on December 15, 2014, 02:19:15 AM: I'd switch it to 3rd Climax if you think 2nd is too easy (I don't think you'll have to start over). It doesn't have remixed encounters or anything (only Infinite does), so it will just boost the enemy's damage and health and such.

I used the tablet controller and never had a problem with it.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: kick51 on December 15, 2014, 08:44:17 AM: People were beating 2nd Climax first time through without dying. it's the game's easy mode.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: mjemirzian on December 15, 2014, 02:09:55 PM: I finished almost all of the challenge run and kept the Gaze equipped the entire time. You can check out the mostly complete text guide here (http://www.gamefaqs.com/wii-u/683293-bayonetta-2/faqs/70784), video playlist here (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi40GY1ofTAfxvfyTW-UVeeRmIIV1EnpP).

I'll attempt the Witch Trials but probably won't PP them since you can't restart between verses.

I tried going back to Bayonetta 1 but there's too much slowdown, while Bayo 2 stays near 60 most of the time.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 08, 2015, 05:50:22 PM: This will surprise no one, but this game is indeed the bees knees. Like, they improved almost every aspect of the first and added a few more cool touches. The models, art, combat, performance, menus/UI— all improved.

Only thing I'm slightly disappointed by is the difficulty. Now granted, I'm still going through the early parts, but I'm destroying everything and getting solid ratings at 3rd Climax. Even the Muspelheim challenges aren't breaking my sweat so far.

Is this level of challenge gonna continue throughout? I can't help but feel it's been babified. And as much as I like the Umbran Climax, I can't help but feel it's contributing to this with its "press X/A to awesome."
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 08, 2015, 06:27:42 PM: Also, health drops out the wazoo.

Edit: And picking up/completing a Witch's Heart fills up your HP. :shaq2
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: mjemirzian on January 10, 2015, 04:08:51 PM: Difficulty ramps up from Ch 7-12, then Ch 15-16. The other chapters are relatively easier.

Bayo 2 is easier to get pure plats if you use everything available to you, and 2nd/3rd climax are pretty easy in comparison. UC feels more balanced around IC difficulty where you get enemy combinations that are very difficult to deal with unless you use it.

On the other hand, Bayo 2 has a higher difficulty ceiling in terms of challenge runs. Demon enemies and humanoid bosses are faster and less predictable than most enemies in Bayo 1. Gaze of Despair and no items is a good starting point if you want to make things harder.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 10, 2015, 04:28:00 PM: Yup, chapter 8 and forward is when I started feeling challenged, to Bayo 1's standard levels at least. The demons are more challenging, less predictable, and more annoying with their appearance blending with the surrounding and making them/their attacks harder to detect.

All in all, game is GOAT. The weapons are much improved. For instance, that Alrune, holy shit— it was my least favorite in 1 but now it's possibly my fave. And the chainsaw is pretty boss too.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 10, 2015, 05:24:31 PM: "Just one time... Call me... Daddy."

:clap
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: El Babua on January 10, 2015, 06:25:49 PM: Just got to chapter 4. Game is tight.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 11, 2015, 03:17:15 AM: Game was amazing. Love the music.

My mother actually "watched" me play the opening. Other then being surprised by the use of Moon River, she also thought Bayonetta looked sharp.

...and also kept commenting on all the crouch shots.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2015, 05:30:25 AM: Quote from: Rahxephon91 on January 11, 2015, 03:17:15 AM
...and also kept commenting on all the crouch shots.

The only big downgrade in Bayo 2 is in the amount of crotch shots (and the amount of sexy content in general). There's like 1/10th as much as the original.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 11, 2015, 12:55:45 PM: The number of gratuitous shots has definitely been lowered, but not by that much,methinks. I say this as someone who played 1 again before jumping to 2. I also give them credit for toning down the nudity and suggestiveness— I never thought I'd play a game this game on a Nintendo system.

And as aside, I invite everyone to visit the Miiverse page of the game and check out all the screens the moutbreathing manchildren shared. Makes you think to some this is the closest thing to sex they'll ever get.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2015, 07:24:07 PM: I passed out drunk this morning playing Bayo because of this thread.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: El Babua on January 19, 2015, 05:08:34 AM: I regret starting on second climax. Didn't die till like chapter 10.

Thought Bayo 1 did a better job with the player's relationship with the environment. Even if it didn't amount to much, I felt much more connected to a level in the first game compared to the second. Oftentimes here, it's just running from one battle to the next with half-bakedsecret finding. In Bayo 2, I can predict when there's a battle coming due to being funneled to a circular arena. The game also explodes in the first few chapters and never really jumps higher till maybe the end. Pacing and explorational issues aside, GOTY.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Bebpo on January 30, 2015, 03:36:56 AM: Got back to playing this and I'm kind of not impressed by this on first run. (On ch.11 now). There's too much stupid water/flying bad camera shit, mini-game wave riding stages, million cutscenes everywhere getting in the way I what I actually enjoy about Bayonetta...the standard combat which is excellent as always.

I love that there's a shit ton of enemies with unique attacks to learn and dodge, I like the free form combos and large selection of weapons. I'm sure on 2nd playthrough skipping all the cutscenes it'll be a lot more fun. And it's still fun, but I'm not liking it as much as the original Bayo on first run. It's been years but I don't remember Bayo 1 interrupting you every 5 guys you fight for a 3 min cutscene. Doesn't help that the characters like Loki are annoying as fuck.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2015, 04:08:02 AM: Ok, yeah finished it, got all the weapons, made some way into a 2nd playthrough. And I'm gonna be the weird one in the room and think the game was just good, maybe an 8/10 with too many real flaws detracting and doesn't feel as good as a Kamiya game imo. But then I also though MGR was just ok and everyone seemed to love that one too. I still have a problem with the core Bayonetta gameplay which is the same problem I have with MGR, I don't like these action games that are basically 1 button games where you have some good combo options and there's interesting stuff, but the entire game revolves around recognizing enemy patterns and just hitting R or tapping toward every few seconds when an enemy strikes and that's the entire game. MGR was all about the Zandatsu parry and once you mastered that, there wasn't much to the game, and Bayo is still all about dodge or parry while grinding down enemy health with enemies that have way too much health. I like that in the higher difficulties of Bayo there's no witch time and it's more like a standard action game with dodge/parry, but I wish that didn't come along with padded HP healths because honestly big enemies and bosses just get boring once you know their patterns and they just take a while of slamming on them until they finally die. These parts feel more like an endurance game than a kill or be killed exciting edge of your seat action game.

But that's a different thing and none of my problems with Bayo 2 have to do with that. What they have to do with is all the stupid crap that gets in the way of the combat. When people said Bayo 2 was better than the first and many action fans were calling it GoTY, maybe I just got my hopes up high, but I certainly didn't expect horse riding levels, water surfing levels, afterburner levels, mecha riding levels being like 25% of the entire game. I thought part of the "streamlining" of Bayo 1 was getting rid of all the vehicle section dumb parts that people hated in Bayo 1. But nope, it feels like there's even more of this stuff.

Then there's the ton of parts/bosses that revolve around flying. The camera is not always great on the ground and can be pretty awful when flying. And in general I hate flying bosses/big enemies because you can't combo them or do any of the fun stuff that's part of the battle system since it's like fighting a giant mountain. You just do your best BnB high damaging combos and tap toward or dodge every few seconds when you see an attack coming...repeat until the boss is dead. At least on the ground there's movement involved and you can juggle and do more interesting things.

Then there's the forced co-op bullshit everywhere. While I get that they wanted to make it a co-op game, for the most part it just makes the scenes too busy with another character going around fighting along with all the enemies. The framerate almost always sucks during all these parts and and never seems to be around 60fps. Plus I don't want another cpu person finishing up my combos and killing my enemies wtf. I don't want character action games to be 2p. If they want to make it optional for online, sure. But offline I don't want a cpu fighting with me in these games.

Then there's just the visual design which is ridiculously busy to the point where it can hard to even see wtf is going on, especially in the co-op sections. It just looks really messy. In fact, after beating the game and starting a replay, the first stage during the clear blue sky daylight fighting on the back of the harrier jet is probably the best looking part in the entire game. There's you and enemies and a specific space with stuff going on in the background, and you can fight and concentrate on the enemies with no distractions. I think I just want a bloody palace.

And the cutscenes, everywhere and godawful. I don't remember Bayo 1 being this bad but the story and cutscenes were so bad they kept annoying me until I started just skipping them all in the last few chapters because I didn't give a fuck about the story and just wanted to fight.

Also I don't really like all the repetition bosses. They've got nothing on Vergil. The Lumen Saga and the Blue Hand boss basically are doing the same attacks for the most part each time and once you've got their timing down the additional boss fights against them are pretty much the same. That being said I do really like the enemy and boss variety with a lot of patterns to learn.

The level design seemed pretty sucky. There were only a few real levels, most were cutscenes and a couple arenas and that's it. The couple of actual stages to explore were ok but nothing special. I remember Bayo 1 having much better level design. Like I have vague memories of the final stage of Bayo 1 being climbing some tower or something and fighting tougher and tougher encounters along the way and it was awesome. I feel like Bayo 2 is just a bunch of arenas splitting boss fights and cutscenes.

The water stuff sucks, snake form is shit, and the camera/controls suck.

Combat is great. No problems with it beyond issues I have with core Bayonetta. I'm not amazing at this game and honestly I wish I was a lot worse at 3rd Climax because I feel like I shouldn't be able to handle 3rd Climax as well as I did on the first try, but all I had to do was find some good hammer combos, be good at dodging and then BnB all day. I never felt on the edge of my seat or as excited as I felt during DMC3/4, which are still the pinnacle of the character action genre to me. Nothing is as challenging as God Hand's first run here on 3rd Climax.

Mixed on the weapons. I know it's really subjective and I'm sure people love these, but this is a big deal for character action games for me. If I find a weapon or two I really enjoy using, the game is 10x more enjoyable overall. I couldn't really get into any of the weapons in Bayo 2. The standard punch/kick is fine, but the swords lacked impact, the scythe was too slow for my tastes and not strong enough, the hammer was awesome but super slow so I didn't have a ton of combo variety with it, whip was too weak and lacked impact, undine club/guns were pretty good though too close to pistols but slower, and chainsaws were too close to pistols but faster. Maybe as I keep playing I'll find a weapon set I really enjoy using, but just never got into any of these. If the swords had more impact feel and were stronger I'd like them, or if Scythe was closer to Ninja Gaiden 2 scythe in cutting power, but just never clicked.

So yeah, that's probably the most negative write up you'll ever see of Bayo 2, but I liked it. Just it never clicked and felt like going through the motions and wasn't particularly exciting. I still need to get back to Wonderful 101, but that felt much more fresh, challenging and fun than this. I think after MGR and Bayo 1/2 I'll just accept that my tastes run different than modern-era Platinum and modern era action gamers. I'd take Viewtiful Joe, DMC3/4, God Hand and NG Black over any of these games any day. I feel like modern action games are more about easy mechanics to get into and endurance skill of surviving as long as possible without mistakes, and that's the opposite of the type of challenge I like in my games. I like the hardest possible challenge for the quickest possible time, something that's challenging and difficult to master but doesn't waste my time once I do. Vanquish is the only Platinum game that really clicked with me and felt absolutely perfect in mechanics and challenge. Vanquish was freaking intense and I don't remember it being grindy at all. In Bayo 2 because there's no way to upgrade the damage on any of your weapons or anything, there's no real way to speed up boss fights (unless I'm missing something) since the best you can do is your high damage attacks over and over while parrying each incoming attack and the higher the difficulty the longer you'll have to do this as the boss HP will increase. Eh, that's just not for me.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2~ For those of us blessed to have Wii U's~
Post by: kick51 on February 01, 2015, 06:26:57 PM: i thought it was pretty lateral to the first one. some pluses, some minuses. i don't like the amount of flying/"epic" bosses. Especially the first lumen sage fight, which is visually fucked. on both difficulties, I felt like I was just winging it/making educated guesses on what to do and when.

I think bayo/mgr combat system is neat. it's all a complete off shoot from Dante's one move where you stall a hit and he does that 360 slash. It's a test to see how well you can keep your cool--timing taps right in the heat of battle, doing the mental gymnastics to dodge offset in the middle of a shit storm. I'm just not the best at it. Dodge offset is weird and so is the "combo" system. Very liberal definition of "combo" :lol

MGR is more fucked than bayo though. The difficulty reminds me more of NG2 360--rushed, pretty cheap. That's just on Revengeance. VH is like normal mode. I like it a lot but it is quite janky.