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Title: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Eschaton on November 02, 2014, 07:09:05 PM
joss whedon thread
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 07:10:01 PM
I like Joss Whedon. :( I don't think he's a genius, but I enjoy his work. Is there a normal Joss Whedon fan option? :fbm No? Maybe? :fbm
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Post by: nudemacusers on November 02, 2014, 07:12:20 PM
firefly was good, avengers was ok, cabin in the woods was tolerable, and I don't trust gingers really. comic books suk and i have brothers so i never watched buffy
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
buffy ruled and is a top 20 tv show, angel is :heartbeat, firefly was really good, avengers is my second favorite comic book movie after spider-man 2, cabin in the woods was great, i don't like gingers, whedon's x-men run is one of my favorite x-men runs.
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Post by: Atramental on November 02, 2014, 07:15:45 PM
I've never been a fan of his stuff.

It's not terrible but eh, it's not my thing.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2014, 07:21:10 PM
I'm like the only person I know without a strong opinion on this guy. Firefly was a decent to pretty good tv show but it's not ZOMG AWESOME, Buffy was never something I got into, and the Avengers is a totally competent comic book movie.

:yeshrug
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Post by: Hock on November 02, 2014, 07:22:43 PM
I liked Firefly and the Avengers, also people told me that his Astonishing X-men was the best xmen thing in a while so I read that too and thought it was fun. That's pm all the Whedon stuff that I've consumed, so I'm okay with him.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 07:23:11 PM
I like Joss Whedon. :( I don't think he's a genius, but I enjoy his work. Is there a normal Joss Whedon fan option? :fbm No? Maybe? :fbm

I would say I'm a normal whedon fan. I love Angel, I love Firefly/Serenity, I like some bits of Buffy.

Not gonna suck him off across the internet just because he writes decent female characters like most of his fans though.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: nudemacusers on November 02, 2014, 07:24:42 PM
my beef with avengers is retroactive in that it was fun and disposable pop entertainment but now that it made a zillion dollars all the marvel movies are just quip-generating machines with paper thin baddies and some weird cosmic object as a door prize.

thus now the avengers annoys the shit out of me. can't wait for avengers 2 to switch the mcu into dark mode with super serious faces and shadows.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 07:24:46 PM
You and me, Toku. You and me.

I really like Whedon and have enjoyed just about everything from him. But his fans. Whew. His fans.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2014, 07:25:23 PM
Cabin in the Woods is an incredibly fun movie.
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Post by: king of the internet on November 02, 2014, 07:25:48 PM
The Avengers sucks.

Okay, maybe that's a bit harsh. To each their own and all that bullshit, but I don't get the obsession some people have with that shit. Basically fiending for every drip of info for years leading up to what's ultimately just two hours of hallow, mindless entertainment. I guess Avengers is slightly better than most Superhero movies which are p much straight trash.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Atramental on November 02, 2014, 07:25:53 PM
I still need to see Cabin in the Woods.
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Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 07:27:51 PM
Gonna take this time to pimp my absolute favorite episode of Angel and one I always bust out my dvds for every year or so:
Are You Now or Have You Ever Been (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_You_Now_or_Have_You_Ever_Been)

Top ten favorite episode of a tv show for me easy.

Here it is on netflix if you got 45 minutes (http://www.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70133586&trkid=3325852)
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 07:29:20 PM
is angel on netflix?!?!
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 07:29:42 PM
is angel on netflix?!?!

It is!
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 07:32:33 PM
is angel on netflix?!?!

It is!

(http://i.imgur.com/Emrpvho.gif)
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: parallax on November 02, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
i liked cabin in the woods.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Kara on November 02, 2014, 07:36:29 PM
I wish he'd suck me. :phil

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I don't trust redheads anymore.
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Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 02, 2014, 07:41:31 PM
I haven't seen Cabin in the Woods and outside of Buffy being EXTREMELY corny (like Angel, granted but that came later) I don't mind his stuff and actually enjoy it. I enjoyed the hell out of the Avengers, for instance. Like on the par with Ironman 1/3 for me.

I also enjoyed Firefly and Dollhouse (:ufup Fox).
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 07:44:56 PM
Gotta love Angel too because it took characters you hated in Buffy and made them into your favorites in a very believeable way.

Wes went from the socially awkward smart dude everyone laughed at to cold killer and morally ambiguous anti-hero in like 3 seasons. You watch his progression and by time he goes full John Woo/Chow Yun Fat in s4 you don't even question it.

Cordelia too. They did a great job showing just how insecure and lonely she was in those first two seasons. RIP Doyle, fuck heroin brehs.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Hock on November 02, 2014, 07:45:16 PM
I know a lot of people get annoyed by his quippy dialogue but I really don't have a problem with it either. I just take his shows as half-sitcoms and it goes over better.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2014, 07:46:09 PM
he made a comic book movie tolerable (avengers) so that's a thing he did
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 02, 2014, 07:46:18 PM
I never watched Angel or Buffy and I only watched Firefly long after it had been cancelled. Serenity was aight. I watched Dollhouse on TV, and it was pretty good sometimes but I wasn't too attached to it. Avengers and Cabin in the Woods were good.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 07:48:23 PM
Biggest problem with Dollhouse was that the supporting cast was regularly and ruthlessly outshining it's lead around every corner. All the best episodes of Dollhouse are the ones that don't center on Eliza Dushku.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 02, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
Biggest problem with Dollhouse was that the supporting cast was regularly and ruthlessly outshining it's lead around every corner. All the best episodes of Dollhouse are the ones that don't center on Eliza Dushku.

Enver Gjokaj being Topher was the highlight of the series.

It's a shame he didn't expand that concept/series into a comic like Buffy Season 9/10 (11?) for Dark Horse. There's like 5 comics and a mini preview comic he threw in the DVD as an advertisement supplement for the first one and that's it. I think there's a lot they could've done with the other "Dollhouse"s they mentioned in passing in the TV show in other locations (like Dubai? IIRC) with concepts like the Life After Death murder-mystery episode.

But yeah, Dushku was weak in the series. It also doesn't help that the whole "Alpha" meta-plot was weak as well and that was because they were holding onto it in case they could get season 5+. :/
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 02, 2014, 07:53:06 PM
i really enjoyed buffy and angel and firefly, and i guess serenity and uhh "dr. horrible's singalong blog". haven't seen any of the newer stuff.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I know a lot of people get annoyed by his quippy dialogue

this is my problem. it wasnt really there in any horrible way in Cabin in the Woods, but the rest of his oeuvre makes me want to Karakand myself

It's not that bad in Firefly/Serenity or Angel. Buffy though...especially those early seasons. If you wanted to torture Karakand, pretty sure all you would need to do is tape his eyes open and put on s1 Buffy. I still have a hard time going back to season one buffy.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 02, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
also people told me that his Astonishing X-men was the best xmen thing in a while so I read that too and thought it was fun.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ELRWjhVySJc/Tm_CPXi1UtI/AAAAAAAAAXo/lkM3_LCL_Lw/s1600/AstonishingXMen01DC_11.jpg)

(Emma Frost/Scott BTW for those not knowing who is in that panel Logan is sitting over)

Which they already did in New X-men/Morrison's run when Jean/Phoenix comes back and finds Scott cheating on her with Emma Frost (who, IMO, should really fucking go away. I don't mind her cattiness at times but her not changing outfits while Scott orders everyone else around is *gag*).

Though, reading Trade vol. 5/6 (Warren Ellis) before this has kinda shown me the "dialogue" issue people have with Whedon. Well that and Warren Ellis has a big hard-on/"Jungle Fever" for Storm, which is fine given he chose her over Whedon (right now, haven't gotten to Vol. 2-4 yet) choosing Kitty Pryde to come on the team.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 08:01:08 PM
Angel is one of the GOAT nerd shows. I was cool with Buffy so I checked out Angel, and now all I ever watch is Angel and ignore the shit out of Buffy.

I'm still pissed over Angel getting cancelled and never having a real finale.

I know it's a cliffhanger but I still love the note they end Angel on. Powerful last image.

And as far as the x-men shit goes, that era of asshole cyclops fucking emma frost still the best cyclops though. Way behind it in second place is sanctioning a death squad with x-force cyclops.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2014, 08:02:08 PM
I don't see a problem with the guy.

Buffy is pretty good as was Angel. Firefly was an enjoyable show.

Avengers was a fun action movie and nothing more. I mean what else was it supposed to be beyond all those dudes coming together to do stuff? It did that well.

Astonishing X-men was ok if just a little cliche. It had a shitty ending though.

He makes enjoyable entertainment. It's not stupid trash. It's just fun. Whats the problem?
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: StealthFan on November 02, 2014, 08:03:07 PM
Why is Wolverine hunched down like Beast on the edge of the bed
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 02, 2014, 08:03:41 PM
Shhhh... I'm catching up.  :lol I've been jumping around since I jumped on Ellis's Ironman/Extremeis line this past month, read Nextwave (which was alright) and did Vol. 5/6 of Astonishing X-men (Ellis' run) before 1-4 (Whedon's run).  :lol :lol :lol

I do think Emma is a massive bitch though.

Why is Wolverine hunched down like Beast on the edge of the bed

Because before this they dunno where Wolvie is while Beast, Cyke, and Frost introduce the teenagers to Kitty who is going to be the "student liason" and teaching assistant of one class in the Danger Room. Kitty asks where Wolvie is and they're like "uh... around here somewhere" to set up that panel despite the whole Scott cheating thing being old news. :/
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2014, 08:05:08 PM
his Astonishing X-men was the best xmen thing in a while so I read that too and thought it was fun.
Well those people are wrong.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: StealthFan on November 02, 2014, 08:06:37 PM
give me x-men recommendations. I don't give a fuck about continuity either, as Marvel continuity is LOLNO1CURR.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: cool breeze on November 02, 2014, 08:06:55 PM
dude is one of the all time great cornballs.

his hammy take on much ado about nothing is unparalleled.  baz luhrmann cringed watching it.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 08:08:08 PM
astonishing is still really good.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Kara on November 02, 2014, 08:09:33 PM
Getting a lot of name-drops in a thread about a quippy cornball. I think this might be illustrative. (http://i.imgur.com/8hyVLuQ.png)
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Post by: thisismyusername on November 02, 2014, 08:10:09 PM
give me x-men recommendations. I don't give a fuck about continuity either, as Marvel continuity is LOLNO1CURR.

I'm not the best person to ask as I'm a casual reader.  :lol
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Post by: nudemacusers on November 02, 2014, 08:10:19 PM
baz luhrmann cringed watching it.
cringe-ception?
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 08:10:28 PM
Getting a lot of name-drops in a thread about a quippy cornball. I think this might be illustrative. (http://i.imgur.com/8hyVLuQ.png)

We're just discussing best ways to dismantle you should you ever get your life together.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: headwalk on November 02, 2014, 08:14:00 PM
his movies are like opening a particularly insipid comment tree on reddit and reading through it for two and a half hours.
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 02, 2014, 08:16:49 PM
give me x-men recommendations. I don't give a fuck about continuity either, as Marvel continuity is LOLNO1CURR.

Si Spurrier's X-Men Legacy run and his current X-Force run are top tier

 :bow Remender's Uncanny X-Force  :bow2
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 02, 2014, 08:22:33 PM
Since I'm talking about Ellis/Whedon's differing styles in the same series...

http://fivewithflores.com/2011/09/four-perspectives-review-astonishing-x-men-xenogenesis/

Quote
“And no one will care. It’s not Chernobyl. It’s not an oil spill, or a hurricane. It’s just a village in Africa. Everyone wants to save the world, you see. But nobody really cares about M’Bangwi. No one but me.”

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This is after the "big-bad"/team-up dude SHOOTS A KID POINTBLANK IN THE HEAD instead of caring for him.
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I haven't seen anything so far in Whedon's run that goes into those type of monologues.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 08:26:02 PM
:rofl
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2014, 08:29:42 PM
give me x-men recommendations. I don't give a fuck about continuity either, as Marvel continuity is LOLNO1CURR.

Uncanny X-Force by Rick Remender.

New X-men by Grant Morrison.

X-Statix-Peter Milligan

X-men Age of Apocalypse.

Messiah Complex.

X-Force by Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost.

X-Force by Simon Spurrier

X-men by Mike Carey or at least until Age of X. After that it gets a little shitty with too much Rogue.

Ultimate X-Men-Until probably Kirkman comes on it's fun Hollywood X-men stuff. Then it gets a bit better when it becomes Ultimate Comics:X-men by Brian Wood.

Wolverine By Larry Hanna.

80s X-men are a required taste so I never recommend that. 90s X-men is kind of all over the place and honestly if you read AoA you've read the best thing. It's had to think of anything good about the 90s because where do you even start. Early 90s is riding high on post Chris Claremont plotlines and a lot of it is messy like the Psylocke stuff. Mid 90s has a lot of Onslaught and Operation Zero Tolerance and they aren't regarded as high points. Late 90s is pretty awful as it's full of false starts and then Alan Davis steps in leading to more crap. There's some good stories, but nothing I can pin point as a nice complete read like AoA. I loved the X-Cutioner's Song though as a kid.

Lot's of Claremont 80s stuff shows it's age, but the Australian Era(Uncanny X-men 224 up until X-men 3) I find still holds up and is really engaging. Lots of adventure as so many of the X-men are split up and so many plotlines going so many places. Some of the events of the time like Inferno, Fall of the Mutants, and Mutant Massacre are cool. Though X-Tinction Agenda kind of falls flat.

Early 00's belongs to New X-men with Uncanny putting out shit mostly. I found some of the Warren Ellis produced Counter X stuff like X-Force ok, but 2000-2001 X-men are mostly forgotten. Though this reminds me that X-Man and Generation X were pretty consistently good titles.

There's also Excalibur. Some of that stuff is fun. As was X-Factor when it's the original 5. Though I say that not because I like the original 5, but because some of the actual plotlines like Apocalypse start here and some of it is worthwhile.

I find it hard to recommend X-men because a lot of the storylines are so continuity based. It's not like Batman where I can just say The Dark Knight Returns or whatever.

A lot of the X-men stories that I like are stories that are the result of a lot of build up. Even the Dark Phoenix is better if you've read some of the stuff that leads up to it. Jean is Phoenix for a while after all. I also find it hard to recommend a lot of Claremont  X-Men because it is plotted but also overly wordy and corny. I honestly think his late 80s stuff holds up more then anything else which includes the Dark Phoenix.

Then again I've read X-Treme X-men and enjoyed it so I don't know what I'm talking about. Don't read X-Treme though it has nice art.

Also I did'nt read all of it, but Exiles with Blink was fun. It was about a bunch of X-men related characters traveling to Alternate Dimensions. It was really fun, but I'm sure the premise dried up.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 08:31:45 PM
morrison's new x-men is more overrated than whedon's astonishing

also messiah complex but no dark phoenix saga or the claremont run or days of future past :wag
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Post by: StealthFan on November 02, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
New X-Men starts off tight but has some whack shit in it.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 08:41:32 PM
that's because it's grant whack morrison.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: StealthFan on November 02, 2014, 08:42:15 PM
Grant Morrison wrote All Star Superman tho...
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2014, 08:42:39 PM
I read a shit ton of early-mid 90's X crap. What are some good graphic novels (cheap easy way to pick shit up) that AREN'T from that time period you dudes would recommend? I like reading self-contained arcs, more or less.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2014, 08:43:25 PM
I can't truly answer the question unless I know whether or not it's the second half of season four. (His Runaways stint is basically season four of that.)
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Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 08:47:27 PM
Grant Morrison wrote All Star Superman tho...

All Star Superman was okay. I'm not really a big fan of Grant. He has great ideas that spiral out of control and get distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2014, 08:48:25 PM
Grant Morrison wrote All Star Superman tho...

All Star Superman was okay. I'm not really a big fan of Grant. He has great ideas that spiral out of control and get distinguished mentally-challenged.

Sounds like pretty much most comics tbh
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Post by: Himu on November 02, 2014, 08:51:18 PM
Grant Morrison wrote All Star Superman tho...

All Star Superman was okay. I'm not really a big fan of Grant. He has great ideas that spiral out of control and get distinguished mentally-challenged.

Sounds like pretty much most comics tbh

:obama

true, but grant is treated like a comic god
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Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2014, 08:57:22 PM
He has great ideas that spiral out of control and get distinguished mentally-challenged.
Doom Patrol  :lawd
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Post by: Kara on November 02, 2014, 08:59:22 PM
We're just discussing best ways to dismantle you should you ever get your life together.

Despite the contents of my life motto, I'm sure that the Bore could destroy me if they put their heads together.

It is NOT going to happen with shitty media though unless one of you has a doctorate in Italian horror movies and even then I'd know better than to willingly engage with my kryptonite.
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Post by: toku on November 02, 2014, 09:00:17 PM
Grant Morrison wrote All Star Superman tho...

All Star Superman was okay. I'm not really a big fan of Grant. He has great ideas that spiral out of control and get distinguished mentally-challenged.

Sounds like pretty much most comics tbh

:obama

true, but grant is treated like a comic god

Comic gods rarely age well. They all tend to go off the deep end in the end. Not always their fault though. Jeph Loeb for instance just hasn't been the same since his kid died of bone cancer. Which is understandable. =/
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Post by: parallax on November 02, 2014, 09:26:11 PM
Grant Morrison wrote All Star Superman tho...

All Star Superman was okay. I'm not really a big fan of Grant. He has great ideas that spiral out of control and get distinguished mentally-challenged.

Sounds like pretty much most comics tbh

:obama

true, but grant is treated like a comic god

Comic gods rarely age well. They all tend to go off the deep end in the end. Not always their fault though. Jeph Loeb for instance just hasn't been the same since his kid died of bone cancer. Which is understandable. =/

loeb was never a comic god though. the long halloween and spider man blue are what holds him up, and hes been swinging from those reins for a decade.
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Post by: Kara on November 02, 2014, 09:40:56 PM
Long Halloween is even Zzz.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
I read a shit ton of early-mid 90's X crap. What are some good graphic novels (cheap easy way to pick shit up) that AREN'T from that time period you dudes would recommend? I like reading self-contained arcs, more or less.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Statix
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Post by: StealthFan on November 02, 2014, 10:34:07 PM
Long Halloween is even Zzz.

I don't even like Batman (in comic form) and  :ufup
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 02, 2014, 10:45:04 PM
Long Halloween is even Zzz.
(http://i.minus.com/ib0Za6kSHyhm2A.gif)
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Post by: Hock on November 02, 2014, 10:52:15 PM
I read the first volume of All-New X-men a few months ago and liked it, should I keep going?
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2014, 10:55:23 PM
I read the first volume of All-New X-men a few months ago and liked it, should I keep going?
I don't know why you shouldn't. It get's better.

Personally I think All New X-men is pretty bad. It only gets somewhat decent after Battle of the Atom. What I mean is that I found it pretty slow and going in circles. Honestly, I'm not a fan of the original 5 nor was I of the premise of the book. Yet I was waiting for it to do something with it and I did'nt feel it did. It really did'nt do much with Iceman, Angel, or Beast. They kind of are just there which is a shame because regular Iceman and Angel are just kind of there. There's stuff to do with Cyclops and Jean, but most of the book has just been the same stuff. Cyclops is angsty and Jean has this terrible future and oh her powers are going places. It's been this stuff over and over and over with constant vague talk of how screwed the timeline is. It just wasn't interesting to me and then Battle of the Atom happened which has also anti-climatic. Hell on it's plotlines ended up going nowhere and being awkwardly resolved in another book.

I think around issue 17 is where it got more exciting.

But if you already like it I don't think it will get worse for you.

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Post by: Hock on November 02, 2014, 11:52:18 PM
Thanks, if it gets even better I think I'll pick up the next volume. They're cheap so its no big deal.
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Post by: Yulwei on November 03, 2014, 06:10:38 AM
I am not a big fan of his TV/Movie work, but Joss Whedon was responsible for one of the best runs in X-Men comic history. There was nothing special or unique about his run. He simply sat down and thought up a good plotline which he stuck to and didn't bog down with distinguished mentally-challenged subplots, he put a lot of thought into his action sequences, didn't do anything crazy with the characters and simply focused on what the X-Men is supposed to be: a team book. It sounds so simple yet it is something that the vast majority of X-Men writers completely fail to understand.

I wish he would get back to comics.
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Post by: sarslip on November 03, 2014, 08:44:18 AM
this thread is filled with mewling quims (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 03, 2014, 11:43:40 AM
morrison's new x-men is more overrated than whedon's astonishing

Himu, you can get ALL the way the fuck outta here with that (http://i4.minus.com/ibqsG2MZiScJka.png)
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 03, 2014, 11:45:18 AM
S'alright
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 03, 2014, 11:48:56 AM
He has great ideas that spiral out of control and get distinguished mentally-challenged.
Doom Patrol  :lawd

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31666/918217-mr_nobody_2.jpg)

The amibition  :lawd
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 12:31:20 PM
As much as I enjoyed a bunch of the MCU movies, the villains almost always suck. Yes, even Loki who's trash. Hopefully Ultron and Thanos end up done well. Since the villains they fucked up weren't ones I cared too much about(aside from Red Skull and The Abomination I guess).

It's funny, because by and large the MCU movies are ones I'd tend to say are "better," but the first couple Spiderman and X-Men movies definitely did a better job with villains than any of the MCU stuff. I fully expect them to fuck up Thanos, which sucks because he's one of my favorite villains of all time. (other being Apocalypse, and I have faith that Brian Singer will get him right)
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: thabiz on November 03, 2014, 02:41:37 PM
joss whedon sucks.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 06:32:38 PM
Feora tho

:lawd
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: cool breeze on November 03, 2014, 06:34:17 PM
zod was weak, tbh.  faora was the better villain.  she wrecked superman at 7-eleven, ihop, and sears.   
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 06:42:44 PM
Had the better taking out random soldiers moment too.

EDIT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkK7_FsJE7Q

 :whew
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: bluemax on November 03, 2014, 11:22:49 PM
Joss Whedon fans make me hate things I might normally like.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2014, 11:26:51 PM
REWATCHING BUFFY THANKS TO THIS THREAD

:lawd
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 04, 2014, 12:33:51 AM
Gingers (not redheads) (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39568.0) are horrible.

Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: toku on November 04, 2014, 12:39:09 AM
I love TDKR right up until they kill Bane. On rewatches I just turn it off there. In my mind Batman bleeds out like the the whiny bitch he is and Gotham gets nuked.  The kids in the bus make it out though.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 01:14:26 AM
Also speaking of things that spiral out of control, I almost like TDKR the most right up until Bane takes over the city or I guess rather the part where he breaks Batman's back.

The heist is great, and better setup and directed than all of The Dark Knight's similar scenes. It's arguably got the best Batman debut in the films even with the dumb cops commentary.

There's a similar aspect to parts of the first half of The Dark Knight in which it's a crime/heist film that includes Batman before it gets too caught up its own ass chasing some greater meaning.

The Avengers was sorta better in the first half too, nobody knows how to end movies I guess. On the other hand, I'd rather pick up Man of Steel in the middle once Zod and his crew show up. Both those have redeemable action scene value simply due to the marvels of modern technology. The fake tracking shots in Avengers that move between all the characters in the battle are neato. (I also like the semi-one with Lois and Russell Crowe's Ghost Dad in the Kryptonian ship.)
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 02:26:41 AM
Best scene in Alien: Resurrection: Ripley hitting the over the back shot and Ron Perlman breaking character because it was on the first take.

Quote from: Whedon
"But rather than go into all of the reasons why Alien: Resurrection is disappointing to me, I will tell you that, yes, I wrote five endings. The first one was in the forest with the flying threshing machine. The second one was in a futuristic junkyard. The third one was in a maternity ward. And the fourth one was in the desert."
Quote from: Whedon
"It wasn't a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending; it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines...mostly...but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong that they could possibly do. There's actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking, because everything that they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from the script, and people assume that, if I hated it, then they’d changed the script...but it wasn’t so much that they’d changed the script; it’s that they just executed it in such a ghastly fashion as to render it almost unwatchable."

I liked Winona Ryder in it.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: sarslip on November 04, 2014, 07:38:08 AM
Best scene in Alien: Resurrection: Ripley hitting the over the back shot and Ron Perlman breaking character because it was on the first take.

Quote from: Whedon
"But rather than go into all of the reasons why Alien: Resurrection is disappointing to me, I will tell you that, yes, I wrote five endings. The first one was in the forest with the flying threshing machine. The second one was in a futuristic junkyard. The third one was in a maternity ward. And the fourth one was in the desert."
Quote from: Whedon
"It wasn't a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending; it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines...mostly...but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong that they could possibly do. There's actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking, because everything that they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from the script, and people assume that, if I hated it, then they’d changed the script...but it wasn’t so much that they’d changed the script; it’s that they just executed it in such a ghastly fashion as to render it almost unwatchable."

I liked Winona Ryder in it.

people are trippin, alien resurrection has lots of good scenes. 

i want to make sex with the scene where the hybrid alien gets gets sucked through the window  :phil

just as a fan of gore, that movie gets a thumbs up from me

also they turned the Giger knob back up from Alien 3, where his influence was damn near absent.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 08:48:12 AM
Joss Whedon fans make me hate things I might normally like.

"Fans of X are so over-the-top that I cannot enjoy X, even though I would normally enjoy X."
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 04, 2014, 09:21:13 AM
TDKR is my favorite of the three. I'm sorry that a comic book movie is like a comic book. It was great and one of my favorite superhero flicks along with the previous two.

...Except it didn't feel like a comic book movie? At least to me, it felt like it was trying to be social commentary (oh wait it was!) while just having Batman there.

Plus that stupid plot twist with Talia after Batman gave her the keys to the kingdom. It's like "really? Batman wouldn't have researched her ass to the point of knowing all the fissures in her large intestines before vouching her into holding the nuke? World's Greatest Detective, my ass."
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 09:24:40 AM
Garbage.

Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 04, 2014, 09:31:46 AM
A city taking over by a super villain and his militia needs to be stopped by a man in a batsuit flying an air plane and his sexy catsuit wearing side kick spewing one liners isn't comic booky?

Not really. Because it's been done by other non-"Comic Book" films in the past. Just not in that style. Hero has to save the damsel (in this case, the city) with a party/by himself #29034285029850298503248508430583409853408540398.

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The bat symbol lit on fire when he arrives to wreck shit isn't exactly not comic book either.

Sure, but it also commentary on how Batman isn't really needed/"GOVERNMENT IS BROKEN."

Really though that plot twist soured me on Rises hard. Just so stupid. I mean if it was hinted at in the film, okay. But she doesn't even mention her father (from Begins) or anything until after Batman finally kills Bane. It's like "WTF?"
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 04, 2014, 01:16:51 PM
Batman begins :lawd

Michael Shannon in MOS :lawd

X2 and DOFP :lawd



Bryan Singer :scusthov
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 04, 2014, 01:27:20 PM
Kind of a lame excuse. It's a "comic book movie". As if all comic books are poorly written and riddled with holes.

It also dosent work with the Nolan movies which have set themselves up as a cut above. The tone is serious. They take themselves seriously. They try to operate on realism and real world logic as much as possible.

Which is why Rises is the most messy one. So many plot holes and leaps of logic.

Also Nolan sucks at directing and staging action scenes.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: bluemax on November 04, 2014, 11:05:23 PM
Nolan is shitty at making Batman movies, how is this is even a debate still.
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 11:14:33 PM
Nolan is shitty at making Batman movies, how is this is even a debate still.

Because it isn't true? :hitler
Title: Re: joss whedon sucks y/n?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 04, 2014, 11:29:48 PM
Nolan is shitty at making Batman movies, how is this is even a debate still.
:badass