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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2014, 03:31:24 PM

Title: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2014, 03:31:24 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nypd-chokehold-death-grand-jury-votes-not-to-charge-cop-in-eric-garner-case/

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NEW YORK -- A grand jury has declined to indict a New York City police officer who used an apparent chokehold on a man who died after the confrontation on Staten Island, CBS News has confirmed.

Eric Garner, a father of six, died in July after police officer Daniel Pantaleo attempted to arrest him for allegedly selling loose, untaxed cigarettes.

The grand jury began reviewing evidence in the case on Sept. 29.

Jonathon Moore, an attorney for the victim's family, said Wednesday he is "astonished by the decision."

In cellphone video of the Garner incident, Pantaleo is seen placing his arm around Garner's neck and then taking him to the ground after Garner refuses to be handcuffed.

Garner is heard saying repeatedly, "I can't breathe!" He died a short time later.

The New York City Medical Examiner's office ruled Garner's death a homicide, caused by the officer's apparent chokehold as well as chest and neck compressions and prone positioning "during physical restraint by police."

An independent forensic investigator hired by the Garner family also agreed with the medical examiner's findings.

The use of chokeholds is banned in the New York Police Department. In September, Commissioner Bill Bratton said in September that officers will get annual training on use of force tactics.

Garner's death was among a series of controversial fatal confrontations this year between police and young African-American males. The city has seen ongoing protests since a grand jury in St. Louis County, Mo. declined on Nov. 22 to indict Darren Wilson, a police officer accused of killing teen Michael Brown, in Ferguson, Mo.

New York police have been preparing for days for the possibility of widespread protests in reaction to the grand jury decision.

If only the cop had been wearing a camera
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2014, 03:35:08 PM
ITT, JayDubya comes out in defense of taxes.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 03:40:37 PM
ITT, JayDubya comes out in defense of taxes.

 :gladbron
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2014, 03:48:04 PM
ITT, JayDubya comes out in defense of taxes.

omfg
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Steve Contra on December 03, 2014, 03:50:52 PM
ITT, JayDubya comes out in defense of taxes.
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Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2014, 03:51:12 PM
ITT, JayDubya comes out in defense of taxes.
:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

Too soon
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 03, 2014, 03:54:58 PM
 :pacspit
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Your Stalker on December 03, 2014, 03:57:10 PM
what a surprise
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on December 03, 2014, 03:59:16 PM
Yeah, body cameras will fix the problem.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 03, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Yeah, body cameras will fix the problem.

:fbm
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Rufus on December 03, 2014, 05:25:59 PM
you'll all still all
I don't particularly like you, but this I can appreciate.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2014, 05:31:24 PM
I don't like the decision in either grand jury case, but at least I can understand the decision in the Michael Brown case. But with Eric Garner, we have video evidence that clearly shows a police officer strangling a man to death with an illegal maneuver that was banned years ago because this specific outcome was far too commonplace. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
Hopefully NYC riots tonight because of it. Tear the house down.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2014, 05:40:22 PM
Seems like there's far less blind support for this bullshit than the Brown case. The video is so blatant...

This really isn't just about black people - he could have been a fat white dude, gotten killed the exact same way, and there would be no grand jury indictment. It's more about the justice system that protects cops. A lot of prosecutors aren't looking to put "threw a police officer in jail" on their resume, unless it's some type of landmark case.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Rufus on December 03, 2014, 05:41:25 PM
Yeah, body cameras will fix the problem.
They will expose it at least. Provided the cameras they would wear can't conveniently run out of juice or otherwise "malfunction" at crucial moments.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: doctavius bonbon on December 03, 2014, 05:44:47 PM
melanin possession is a crime punishable by death now.  :gloomy
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Eric P on December 03, 2014, 05:45:11 PM
http://gothamist.com/2014/12/03/photos_de_blasio_bratton_introduce.php#photo-1

unfortunately the camera's record feature has to be turned on
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: doctavius bonbon on December 03, 2014, 05:49:32 PM
beyond worthless. :goty
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2014, 06:03:54 PM
On second thought, that's misleading mathematically, because hating something a lot could be plotted an inverse quantity of like, and I just don't give a shit about how much melanin one has.

The cops didn't need to strangle this guy.  His "crime" was trivial and he posed no threat. 

This situation is worthy of outrage.

 Unfortunately, since certain folks love to "cry wolf" so damn much, it probably won't get the attention it deserves.

The true crime amirite
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: brob on December 03, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
Yeah, body cameras will fix the problem.
They will expose it at least. Provided the cameras they would wear can't conveniently run out of juice or otherwise "malfunction" at crucial moments.

some tweets from @kateconger:

Cameras always have a frame, a viewpoint. At Urban Shield this year, I talked to the guys at Vievu, a police body camera manufacturer.

They showed me footage of a police shooting. From the moment the cop draws his gun, it blocks the camera lens. He keeps the gun raised.

When he lowers the gun, the man in the video is dead. They say he had a knife. The video doesn't conclusively show that.

This is the video the *manufacturer* uses to demonstrate how well its product works. And the gun blocks the camera the whole time.

Oh! Access is also an issue. The police footage I've watched came thru extensive records requests or from lawyers.

It takes months to get that video. If it was police footage of Eric Garner's death, we wouldn't see it til after trial, if ever.


Even presuming a camera system was developed that recorded incidents as conclusively as the Garner video, you can't fix a system by adding features to it. Only thing putting cameras on police will do is increase police budgets and raise stocks for camera manufactures.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Rufus on December 03, 2014, 06:14:31 PM
:fbm
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Satch on December 03, 2014, 07:22:40 PM
 :goty2 oh well i guess

on to the next
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2014, 07:50:34 PM
Even presuming a camera system was developed that recorded incidents as conclusively as the Garner video, you can't fix a system by adding features to it. Only thing putting cameras on police will do is increase police budgets and raise stocks for camera manufactures.

It's not some magic elixir that instantly fixes all problems, no, but some early tests are showing positive results:

Quote from: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/12/do-police-body-cameras-work-ferguson/383323/
Nearly all of these tests have yet to be completed, but Ariel recently co-authored a study on the practice in Rialto, California, where he found that police officers who weren't wearing cameras were twice as likely to use force as those who were. During the 12-month experiment, the police department also saw a reduction in citizens' complaints compared with previous years.

The main thing is to combine the usage of body cameras with other changes and initiatives.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: SpeedStats on December 03, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Obnoxious, esp. since the medical examiner even ruled the death a homicide.  I'd love to know what was presented because the video released speaks for itself.

Hopefully NYC riots tonight because of it. Tear the house down.

Seems like a lot of people so far. http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3633872
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Positive Touch on December 03, 2014, 08:01:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ix0ZDvT.jpg)
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: brob on December 03, 2014, 08:21:39 PM
It's not some magic elixir that instantly fixes all problems, no, but some early tests are showing positive results:

Quote from: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/12/do-police-body-cameras-work-ferguson/383323/
Nearly all of these tests have yet to be completed, but Ariel recently co-authored a study on the practice in Rialto, California, where he found that police officers who weren't wearing cameras were twice as likely to use force as those who were. During the 12-month experiment, the police department also saw a reduction in citizens' complaints compared with previous years.

The main thing is to combine the usage of body cameras with other changes and initiatives.

I found that piece rather unconvincing. It is possible that cameras could be a useful tool in demilitarizing police and increasing accountability, but on it's own it's debatable if it could have any legitimate impact and it is certain that it would be a massive drain on budgets. Focusing on body cameras on police as some sort of fulcrum for demilitarization of police (which is what the conversation around cameras will do, if only to justify the cost of it) seems wasteful.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Brehvolution on December 03, 2014, 09:18:23 PM
The bigger picture in all these cases is the absolution of financial culpability for the police departments.

No indictment, no foul.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Rman on December 04, 2014, 12:15:31 AM
The case was rigged from the start.  It wasn't presented from charges that would be very clear such as excessive force or involuntary manslaughter, but murder.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: SpeedStats on December 04, 2014, 12:17:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb8OYnQKbOg
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2014, 12:37:03 AM
Saw that tonight.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2014, 12:58:22 AM
I have no words. Shocked. I mean sadly not fucking shocked, but still shocked.

I feel for my African American students. The amount of shit some of them deal with is just fucking terrible.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: chronovore on December 04, 2014, 01:30:30 AM
Yeah, I can't say it any better than Jon Stewart. What an astonishing amount of horseshit. I found myself in your tears during that segment.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: milchs evil twin on December 04, 2014, 01:56:55 AM
Yeah, body cameras will fix the problem.

I think it will make a difference. With footage like this, the JayDubya approach goes out the window.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 04, 2014, 01:58:30 AM
NPR had a piece that might've been prophetic this morning where they were talking about how the bar for getting an indictment on a cop for excessive force is very, very high. But if the bar is so high you can kill an unarmed man, with an illegal stranglehold on video and still get off, it makes you wonder why even have a bar at that point.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 04, 2014, 01:59:50 AM
On second thought, that's misleading mathematically, because hating something a lot could be plotted an inverse quantity of like, and I just don't give a shit about how much melanin one has.

The cops didn't need to strangle this guy.  His "crime" was trivial and he posed no threat. 

This situation is worthy of outrage.

 Unfortunately, since certain folks love to "cry wolf" so damn much, it probably won't get the attention it deserves.
Wow, this situation is so bad even JayDubya is like "Wait, hold on guys, you might've taken it too far."
All hope is lost.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on December 04, 2014, 02:13:16 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkDuplass/status/540333472670175232

Transcription of Garner's last words

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3-mbh7CYAAThXd.png)
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2014, 02:14:50 AM
Tell them, sister.

TELL THEM.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152565724829091&pnref=story
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2014, 02:40:42 AM
:rejoice

RIDE OR DIE :rejoice

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I have to say: That it is very VERY odd, that the verdicts of these two cases would be found so closely together

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It's like some extra-propaganda-sensationaliztaion-keep the black people scared and confused- media BULLSHIT.

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The media is trying to scare black people into believing that our lives are worthless.

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I'm buying her album.  :american Her frustration perfectly encapsulates my mood the past two weeks. :american
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2014, 02:59:26 AM
I will listen to it on spotify first :american
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 07:52:44 AM
What I don't get is that this is arguably a much bigger example of police aggression then Ferguson but it's getting 1/3 of the attention. America makes no sense sometimes.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 09:16:12 AM
less civil unrest

I get it but let's look at this objectively:

In Ferguson the deceased may or may not have assaulted the officer. I mean it's unable to be proven.

In NYC the guy was clearly choked to death for selling fucking cigarettes....It's all right there on camera.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Positive Touch on December 04, 2014, 09:51:18 AM
Ferguson also gets lots of attention because stl police think the proper way to handle a protest is with tear gas, rubber bullets, and threats.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 10:16:12 AM
less civil unrest

Moreso the clear video evidence of blatantly excessive force, and little ability to demonize the victim. Brown allegedly robbed a store and punched an officer - that justifies his death in the mind of a lot of (white) people. Whereas Garner is on video complying after being taken down and ultimately choked to death.

Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 10:17:47 AM
less civil unrest

Moreso the clear video evidence of blatantly excessive force, and little ability to demonize the victim. Brown allegedly robbed a store and punched an officer - that justifies his death in the mind of a lot of (white) people. Whereas Garner is on video complying after being taken down and ultimately choked to death.

That's exactly my point. I'm more pissed at Garner's MURDER then I am Ferguson and that's simply because I can see it happen. Total abuse of power and that is unquestioned. And the result will make NYC cops more likely to choke the fuck out of people now.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 10:27:49 AM
http://nypost.com/2014/11/23/new-hs-class-teaches-kids-how-to-deal-with-cops/

:fbm

:fbm
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 04, 2014, 11:00:56 AM
There's a thread for that, but I think you left out a couple of "allegedly"
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2014, 11:10:48 AM
Was watching CBS This Morning and they played the Jon Stewart clip.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2014, 11:11:26 AM
Can you guys stop replying to JD in topics like this? Only reply to him on nerd threads where he's cool again.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2014, 11:30:34 AM
Ok. Sorry.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-american-justice-system-is-not-broken-1666445407
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: T-Short on December 04, 2014, 01:26:14 PM
http://vieuxbleu.tumblr.com/post/104340672159/hey-remember-earlier-this-year-when-that (http://vieuxbleu.tumblr.com/post/104340672159/hey-remember-earlier-this-year-when-that)

:what
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2014, 01:42:15 PM
You say illegal chokehold, I say a "not supposed to be used" "seatbelt".
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 04, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
How do you get fired as an American cop?
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 02:58:43 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_paid_out_100000_to_w.html#incart_river

I'm just gonna put that here rather than starting a third thread for Tamir Rice...(12 year old shot in Cleveland by this asshole cop linked)

Quote from: Premium Lager
How do cops get fired in America

Only two cops I ever knew got fired. One for giving away too many speeding tickets to other cop's families and the other one got caught red handed at a whorehouse by other cops while diddling a 17 year old.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 03:01:18 PM
Put that fucker in gen pop.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 04, 2014, 03:05:17 PM
How do you get fired as an American cop?

Tell the truth about other cops.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 03:07:59 PM
Put that fucker in gen pop.

The Cop that got caught fucking the young girl did get put in Gen Pop. They beat him so bad he is basically a vegetable now and nobody gave a fuck.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2014, 03:09:17 PM
The same people defending these cops are the same ones who bitch about how hard it is to fire a teacher.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 04, 2014, 03:09:57 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_paid_out_100000_to_w.html#incart_river

I'm just gonna put that here rather than starting a third thread for Tamir Rice...(12 year old shot in Cleveland by this asshole cop linked)



So this dude was declared unfit for duty, performed miserably during firearms training, had already choked and beat a woman, and was still allowed to ride around in a cruiser? Can't wait to see what they come up with as to why this dude doesn't get indicted
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_paid_out_100000_to_w.html#incart_river

I'm just gonna put that here rather than starting a third thread for Tamir Rice...(12 year old shot in Cleveland by this asshole cop linked)



So this dude was declared unfit for duty, performed miserably during firearms training, had already choked and beat a woman, and was still allowed to ride around in a cruiser? Can't wait to see what they come up with as to why this dude doesn't get indicted

welcome to the fucking Cleveland Police Union (who is under investigation by the goddamn DEA)

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/read_the_justice_departments_r.html#incart_river

Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 03:14:35 PM
Buy the albums of wack trans/homophobes because of tweets brehs

(http://i.imgur.com/LmN8ylh.png)

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Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 03:15:23 PM
You got the wrong one breh...go find the shit she tweeted to iggy

:whew
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 04, 2014, 03:17:51 PM
:lol @ igloo australia. I love when people get so petty they abandon any pretense of being clever.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Steve Contra on December 04, 2014, 03:19:50 PM
Connecting police officers killing black folks to your beef with white rappers and then connecting it all to Bill Cosby is a pretty good trick.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 03:20:58 PM
Connecting police officers killing black folks to your beef with white rappers and then connecting it all to Bill Cosby is a pretty good trick.

Gotta go deeper into the head son

(http://cdn.hiphopwired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screen-Shot-2014-12-04-at-9.48.59-AM.png)

:whew
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: sarslip on December 04, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
nice to see us all in agreement
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: T-Short on December 04, 2014, 03:53:44 PM
How do you get fired as an American cop?

I just posted an example: choke a white guy!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/04/28/knoxville-cop-fired-immediately-after-photos-show-brutal-choking-of-student/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/04/28/knoxville-cop-fired-immediately-after-photos-show-brutal-choking-of-student/)
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Steve Contra on December 04, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
http://www.clickhole.com/article/freaky-coincidence-michael-brown-and-eric-garner-w-1545?utm_campaign=default&utm_medium=ShareTools&utm_source=facebook (http://www.clickhole.com/article/freaky-coincidence-michael-brown-and-eric-garner-w-1545?utm_campaign=default&utm_medium=ShareTools&utm_source=facebook)
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 04:18:23 PM
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So you don’t think this is a race thing?

No, it’s not a race thing. It’s a Ray Kelly thing. That man singlehandedly ruined this department. When I came up as a rookie, you were assigned an older cop who had been around and knew what they were doing. We were taught that you catch more flies with honey. Basically, if you let the small things go — like the guy selling loosies or weed or whatever on the corner — then when the big shit happens, like homicide or burglary, those are the same guys who will tell you all about it. If they hate you, they won’t tell you shit.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/qa-an-nypd-officers-real-talk-on-garner-case.html

Sound familiar?
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 04, 2014, 05:40:00 PM
Well, it turns out that a grand jury DID come through with an indictment of someone in the Garner case.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/ramsey-orta-indictment-eric-garner_n_6264746.html
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 04, 2014, 07:28:08 PM
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So you don’t think this is a race thing?

No, it’s not a race thing. It’s a Ray Kelly thing. That man singlehandedly ruined this department. When I came up as a rookie, you were assigned an older cop who had been around and knew what they were doing. We were taught that you catch more flies with honey. Basically, if you let the small things go — like the guy selling loosies or weed or whatever on the corner — then when the big shit happens, like homicide or burglary, those are the same guys who will tell you all about it. If they hate you, they won’t tell you shit.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/qa-an-nypd-officers-real-talk-on-garner-case.html

Sound familiar?

There's something to the bolded part, but to say "it isn't a race thing" is pretty disingenuous. His argument is that cops were trained to profile bad guys better pre-Kelly and that Kelly's tenure is responsible for the degraded relationship between the police and the public, but decades of statistics show that cops disproportionately arrest people of color. He also says "I only know New York," which is a convenient way of avoiding addressing the nationwide lack of responsibility for these incidents.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 04, 2014, 07:40:01 PM
Well, it turns out that a grand jury DID come through with an indictment of someone in the Garner case.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/ramsey-orta-indictment-eric-garner_n_6264746.html

:(
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 04, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
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So you don’t think this is a race thing?

No, it’s not a race thing. It’s a Ray Kelly thing. That man singlehandedly ruined this department. When I came up as a rookie, you were assigned an older cop who had been around and knew what they were doing. We were taught that you catch more flies with honey. Basically, if you let the small things go — like the guy selling loosies or weed or whatever on the corner — then when the big shit happens, like homicide or burglary, those are the same guys who will tell you all about it. If they hate you, they won’t tell you shit.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/qa-an-nypd-officers-real-talk-on-garner-case.html

Sound familiar?
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Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Broseidon on December 04, 2014, 09:21:23 PM
ACAB
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 09:26:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--xylZp7Xkk
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2014, 04:50:59 PM
Michael Savage ("this was murder" "he was selling cigarettes to people for a dollar! that's his big crime!") vs. Mark Levin/Sean Hannity/Rudy Giuliani ("why is anyone talking about racism?!?", "what does this case have to do with race?!?" "there are black cops!" "a black cop oversaw the justified use of force!" "Eric Holder is just using this to undermine our country!" "this brute could have been hiding a nuclear bomb in his anus that would have leveled downtown Manhattan, but a first responder was there, America should thank god for this hero and law enforcement") over this has been the secret fun of the week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv5b9H2ati4
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: sarslip on December 05, 2014, 05:02:02 PM
i appreciate that Savage is on the right side of this, but he doesn't like so many others (jaydubya) need to remind us that they were on the side of Wilson in Ferguson  :pacspit

EDIT
alright Savage just told a caller Rodney King was different cause he resisted, GTFOH
:pacspit :pacspit :pacspit
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2014, 05:13:30 PM
Gotta establish your bonafides before you betray the tribe.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: sarslip on December 05, 2014, 05:18:15 PM

aAaHHh those truth darts  :stahp
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: El Babua on December 06, 2014, 04:07:33 AM
Not sure about the right thread to link this on.  I'm drunk as fuck too, bear with me. :fbm

I saw the roads congested around Midtown coming into a job, looks like the congestion on the highway was because of them too. One of my Facebook friends protesting made mention a of it prior to me seeing it myself (also made mention of the area not having a lot of black people lol). Even if it delayed my commute:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2014/12/police_brutality_protesters_shut_down_195_in_both_directions.php

:rejoice my city
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: sarslip on December 06, 2014, 08:54:50 AM
i appreciate that Savage is on the right side of this, but he doesn't like so many others (jaydubya) need to remind us that they were on the side of Wilson in Ferguson  :pacspit

Meh.  In both cases, the evidence is plain.

It is only reasonable to side with an officer shooting a perpetrator of robbery and assault in self-defense.

It is only reasonable to side against an officer strangling someone to death for no reason other than to enforce the trivial "crime" of buying cigarettes in New Jersey and selling them in New York.


not talking about evidence, just qualifiers that use black deaths as examples.  :pacspit

you should trust me because rodney?  dat mofuhggah did it.  you should trust me because brown? dat muhfuggah did it.  that's why im an authority on justice!   FOH
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2014, 06:31:19 PM
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot-brooklyn-sources-article-1.2051941
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2014, 07:04:43 PM
That scene is the best scene in the wire.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2014, 07:08:02 PM
the link pd posted is also missing some good lines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA5za4VsskM

Mother FUCKER. Fucking embedding disabled. ::)
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 20, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
Hopefully this won't start a trend.

2015 is gonna be one hell of a year
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2014, 09:07:43 PM
I would be shocked if it doesn't happen more often.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 20, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
From the Sergeants Benevolent Association's Twitter:

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The blood of 2 executed police officers is on the hands of Mayor de Blasio. May God bless their families and may they rest in peace.

:comeon
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 20, 2014, 10:12:37 PM
So when I first read this, I read it as the police shot his girlfriend.  It was very easy to think that he wasn't just a crazy person in that situation.  Far too easy which is kind of indicative of how bad the NYPD's reputation is right now. 
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
yeah the first report linked was poorly worded
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Eric P on December 21, 2014, 09:50:41 AM
http://gothamist.com/2014/12/21/cops_shot_nyc_nypd.php#photo-1

jesus.  i can't imagine this makes it any better

black nyc twitter is saying stuff like "pull your pants up and don't even jaywalk" "whatever you do, don't scratch your stomach"

a lone nut (who shot his girlfriend in baltimore before coming north) just made everything immeasurably worse for everyone.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
Just like with the torture report, it's not the act itself that's the problem, it's talking about the problem. :beli
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Steve Contra on December 23, 2014, 08:17:11 PM
Also everyone on the right cheering on strong public sector unions all of a sudden...
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2014, 08:17:43 PM
rofl that video
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2014, 08:22:22 PM
It's crazy that no one has asked Guiliani to list one thing Obama, Sharpton, Holder, or De Blasio have said to suggest killing cops is cool.

De Blasio is rising up my "favorite cacs" list. I had read his term started rather rocky but I fully support his handling of this situation, especially his comments about raising a black child. Anyone who took that as racism or the race card can fuck off.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2014, 08:25:30 PM
Do police really think that acting that petty towards the mayor of the city they're supposed to protect will help their case/cause?
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 23, 2014, 08:26:32 PM
Ya that looked pretty childish 
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2014, 08:31:05 PM
It's crazy that no one has asked Guiliani to list one thing Obama, Sharpton, Holder, or De Blasio have said to suggest killing cops is cool.

De Blasio is rising up my "favorite cacs" list. I had read his term started rather rocky but I fully support his handling of this situation, especially his comments about raising a black child. Anyone who took that as racism or the race card can fuck off.

In our media? Fuck outta here. These guys are useless, of course it's not crazy.
Title: Re: No justice for Eric Garner either
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2014, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Insubordination
If the NYPD runs a slow-motion coup against the freely elected mayor of New York, then it is running a slow-motion coup against all the people of New York. There is no exemption from this fundamental truth about the way this country and its system is supposed to work. The military -- and its civilian analogues in Langley and in the precinct houses -- always is subordinate to the civil power which, no matter how much it may chafe them, means that they always are subordinate to politicians. If we render our torturers superior to the political institutions of the government, and if we render the police superior to the civil power of elected officials, then we essentially have empowered independent standing armies to conduct our wars and enforce our laws, and self-government descends into bloody farce.

But, alas, in the past few weeks, we have shown ourselves to be relatively at peace with that very thing -- as long as the torture is done in the prisons overseas and the judicial killing is done in the streets of the ghetto, and as long as our fear of some omnipotent Other is what drives our politics. In turn, and in its mind, the country has now turned peaceful mass protest into some sort of violent revolution, and it has converted the murderous rage of a criminal lunatic into the ultimate expression of the cries for justice that have been heard in the last month in Ferguson, and Cleveland, and on Staten Island. It is a deeply noxious perversion of reality, and it has been working like a charm. Very soon, the names of Michael Brown and Tamir Rice and Eric Garner will be as unknown to our national dialogue again as are the names of those faceless, bartered souls who languished in shackles in Poland and in Thailand. The last thing to go to the waterboard is the tattered remnant of what we thought ourselves to be.