if you can't break the 'treating harsh vocals as an instrument' barrier, you might as well forget about it.honestly, it's just a matter of familiarization
I felt the way Emperor did it was a little...grating and extreme. I'm guessing that's actually tame for the genre?classic Black metal's production is intentionally poverty-tier. it's part of the aesthetic. watch a live performance, an interview, and a video of them LARPing in the wooded areas of Norway; it'll endear them to you p quick
I felt the way Emperor did it was a little...grating and extreme. I'm guessing that's actually tame for the genre?
Emperor is lite fare compared to the most extreme stuff. The black metal path is a dark and potentially obnoxious one. Walk too far down and someday you might find yourself refusing to listen to anything that wasn't recorded to a 2-track in a wooden cabin in the forested hills of Norway two and a half decades agoDon't get me wrong; i like my black metal plenty raw. I'll listen to some Von, Havohej stripped down punky type stuff or some forest fuck type stuff like Ildjarn, but overall i'll still take the acknowledged greats most of the time.
I'm the opposite way with death metal. Most of the best best stuff is really hidden away.
EDIT: on second thought nah, that only applies to the european stuff. most of the major DM players in America are pretty great.
But then "harsh" vocals (or whatever you want to call it) only bother me when they're a kind of screeching that's way above and out of line with the music. There's a perfect example of a "post-hardcore" band that does this constantly and me and a friend used to make fun of it but I can't think of their name now.The Blood Brothers? Johnny Whitney usually uses a screeching voice.
lol @ aia's 'KIDS THESE DAYS' schtick in multiple genre threads ::)
lol @ aia's 'KIDS THESE DAYS' schtick in multiple genre threads ::)
Not this time, this garbage goes back to my childhood trying to watch two bands called earthball and mad crisis see who could scream better while various dirty cacs beat the shit out of themselves for no reason.
:snoop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjZSk4ftMhI:hyper
Stan for music that is primarily dirty ass white dudes screaming into a microphone brehs....
How can you even tell the difference between any of these "bands?"
:what
Listened on my commute today: Between The Buried And Me - Colors(http://i.imgur.com/1m5gOv3.gif)
I think I love this band. Production is high quality, the riffs really stand out, good combination of harsh and regular vocals, strong sense of melody in a lot of song sections, good percussion unit.
-sandovalhis double bass is (http://i.minus.com/iyRqd8lBinoFG.gif)
Sandoval had never used two bass drums before joining Morbid Angel. He had to practice frequently in order to get his feet up to speed, and recorded the Altars of Madness album within only a couple of months of joining Morbid Angel. According to Morbid Angel guitarist Trey Azagthoth, the band would occasionally walk in on Sandoval passed out on the floor in a pool of sweat. After being woken up, he would immediately say, "Time to get back to work!"
At the Gates - The Red in the Sky Is Oursfrom what I remember, this one is way techier and has way more schizophrenic composition than their later material
The best slayer album is Hell Awaits though :rejoice
Also I love poverty tier buzzsaw basement black metal production but yeah, it's an acquired taste.
You can't tell me this isn't fire tho :ufup
Burzum - Dunkelheit: http://youtu.be/luFCBdS5PAs
This is not complex or deep music but it does satisfy.and this is the beauty of it. The way they combine such disparate elements across the spectrum into a coherent, palatable package is seriously blowing me away. Lombardo's double-bass on Dr. Seuss is Dead and God Machine, black metal thrashing on 13 Fingers and New Corpse, Jerry Cantrell acoustic on Scream of the Butterfly and New Death Sensations, blastbeats on Jezebel, riffs dripping with Melvins influence and psychedelic lyrics reminiscent of Zeppelin/Sabbath. All with the bastard lovechild of Eric Burdon on vocals :mindfuck:.
Let's be honest though, you have been listening to this stuff for less than a week, it hasnt sunk into you yet. The noise factor is still there (can't help this). And you're still a bit attached to the notion of this stuff as 'rock' music, with choruses and songs you love individually. Extreme metal often doesn't rely on a lot of song writing conventions you hold as givens inside rock music. The riffs and motifs shift and blend into each other. There's more playing with dissonance, contrapuntal melodies etc. This is kinda why some of the more erudite metalspergs make comparisons to electronic, classical, jazz and folk music.
As far as the 'divide' between the 'trve' and the 'false', that's in every subgenre of metal and to be honest, metal in general. It's not an inclusive hug a nikka type environment. It's "this is what i stand for as a musician, artist, and person, if you don't like it fuck you". Yeah it's childish, but it's just the way things are. I kind of like it that way, leads to more entertaining #banter. But like all arguments of authenticity, they're built on little and amount to little. Honestly i think most metal fans my and jake's age are pretty much not interested in the trve/false dichotomy; it had already approached meme joke status in our teens.
It is what it is. You're dealing with basically music made by a bunch of disaffected youth who lashed out at the highly ordered sterile placidity of Scandinavian life. The world of IKEA, quality public programs, high standardized test scores and quality of life have a dark side too, this is it. Memories of a world before Christians came and put their folk culture to the sword and spear, and of course the decimation of World War II. Chaos, blood, death, tribalism. As unpalatable as these visions and ideologies can be, extreme metal is the acknowledgement that these things are undeniably real and exist, and permeate the circumstances and the foundations of our world. I guess. It's part of the reason why PC culture is so offended by metal. Also it's important to note that yeah, these guys were frequently just young dumb kids.
Thst pseudo historical romanticism plays right into the core of the music, and in truth it's the same across all forms of music with a heavy inclination toward folk ideals ( this also even includes rap imo). Like, these portrayals of warriors and past civilizations are sterilied and glorified even within the metal genre that prides itself of pragmatism, or so a lot of heads would like to claim. In fact I think it's that romanticism that separates the death and black metal heads.this is EXACTLY what I wanted to touch on in my post but couldn't fit within the flow of my argument. With every folk instrument, chanting choir and sampled sound of nature you can quite literally experience the bohemian conservatism these people have convinced themselves of. The atmosphere that I, and many others chiefly value in bm, is very much a product of picturesque and fabricated nostalgia.