THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Mupepe on January 08, 2015, 07:29:17 PM
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That's what I'm fucking talking about! Not that I think it will ever be a reality.
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1. It'll never happen
2. If it does it'll happen some shit way like when Clinton was like "Hey! Everyone should be able to get student loans!" And suddenly all the colleges raised their tuition because they knew people could borrow money easily.
If he means free, as in completely free that'd be awesome, but I have my doubts.
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1. It'll never happen
2. If it does it'll happen some shit way like when Clinton was like "Hey! Everyone should be able to get student loans!" And suddenly all the colleges raised their tuition because they knew people could borrow money easily.
If he means free, as in completely free that'd be awesome, but I have my doubts.
As do I. No details were given but he wants to model it off of Tennessee's program which is paid for by state lotteries and covers what grants and scholarships do not for all residents
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The requirements:
What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.
What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.
What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/01/08/president-proposes-make-community-college-free-responsible-students-2-years
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People who pay for it can't even get into their required classes in a lot of CC's right now, so good luck.
what do you mean by this?
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Define: "Eligible" students.
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This is actually a better policy than anything to do with universities because CC does a good job of filtering people at a lower cost than if they had gone to a four year university to start that process.
I went to CC (to take core classes cheap and then transfer) for (basically, I think I paid for one course) free because of MEAP. Too bad when they designed that they never had a contingency for MEAP scores improving too much and more cash being sent out than budgeted for. (Which is why it no longer exists.)
I also think highly of CC programs that hire people who worked in the field to teach courses. For example for Business Law I had an actual practicing lawyer, for Criminal Justice it was a retired police officer (okay, lol in retrospect), for a Poli Sci course it was the former Clerk of the Michigan House, etc. They tend to be more enthusiastic and engaged in the topic they're teaching, even if their "teaching methods" aren't as refined and academically sound.
Of course, you also get some nutjobs like the woman who said she was a professional poet but had never published anything and cancelled 80% of classes because she was having a mental breakdown that semester and the school gave us a refund after looking into her further. Good times.
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People who pay for it can't even get into their required classes in a lot of CC's right now, so good luck.
what do you mean by this?
Enrollment is so high at a lot of CCs that it's hard to get into the classes you want.
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There are also trade school training in CC. So it might encourage people to get back into trades and realize that you can make a good living that way and not every path to financial security is through a business degree.
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The requirements:
What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.
What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.
What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/01/08/president-proposes-make-community-college-free-responsible-students-2-years
A GPA requirement? Now watch all community colleges impose more stringent evaluations lol.
Also, "Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes" sounds like an accreditation hurdle.
People who pay for it can't even get into their required classes in a lot of CC's right now, so good luck.
what do you mean by this?
Enrollment is so high at a lot of CCs that it's hard to get into the classes you want.
And as per requirements, you have to be there half-time. A class or two like some do won't cut it.
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There are also trade school training in CC. So it might encourage people to get back into trades and realize that you can make a good living that way and not every path to financial security is through a business degree.
These are also surprisingly money makers for CC's if they setup good programs for it. Companies will foot the bill for equipment and stuff. (Not simply out of charity, since they then get workers familiar with the specific tools they use and so on.)
And as per requirements, you have to be there half-time. A class or two like some do won't cut it.
As always it depends, but I believe two courses makes you a part-time student at most CC's. Four is full-time.
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As always it depends, but I believe two courses makes you a part-time student at most CC's. Four is full-time.
Ah yeah, 12 credits schedule count as full-time, right? So two 3-credit classes might actually do.
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Come to Texas Walrus. My wife's family signs up for classes a day or two before they begin and have no issues. Maybe its the neighborhood? Lol?
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Living in Texas :holeup
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Yeah I can attest that CCs in CA are insane with general eds. But if they're getting more students they can get more teachers.
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People who pay for it can't even get into their required classes in a lot of CC's right now, so good luck.
what do you mean by this?
What PD said. Classes that are important pre-requisites fill up instantly in some areas. The Los Angeles area is definitely like this. A few years back, before I went the public policy/business route, I considered going back to school for a STEM degree. The program I wanted required a calculus course, so I registered at LACC. Every section of the calculus course I needed was full with a wait list before I even got a pass time. It can take quite a bit longer than two years to get the credits to transfer if you're unlucky and can't complete the requirements because Chemistry 1A or Math 1A or whatever is always full.
This is going to require a lot more funding or some other methods to increase availability.
Huh. I never had that problem.
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There are also trade school training in CC. So it might encourage people to get back into trades and realize that you can make a good living that way and not every path to financial security is through a business degree.
There should probably be a bigger push to get people into trade schools. So many people graduating college just as directionless as they started and no way to pay off the debt they accumulated
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There are also trade school training in CC. So it might encourage people to get back into trades and realize that you can make a good living that way and not every path to financial security is through a business degree.
There should probably be a bigger push to get people into trade schools. So many people graduating college just as directionless as they started and no way to pay off the debt they accumulated
Yep. I know people that got degrees in random shit because they didn't know what to do and end up hating it. That or they get worthless degrees and make crap to pay off all that debt.
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http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146596382&postcount=196
nevermind, I don't support this anymore.
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At the same time I wouldn't say it was their fault. If there are no jobs for all degrees then the problem isn't the people who go to get those degrees but the society that stresses emphasis on attending college to make ends meet as well as a job market that simply cannot handle the amount of graduates.
Practically, no degree should be useless. When people are told they shouldn't pursue their interests and passions because of these reasons and the summation of life becomes a zero-sum run for economical gain, the world becomes a far more grey place.
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http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146596382&postcount=196
nevermind, I don't support this anymore.
God, can you imagine?
"Doctor-chan will be in to see you soon ~uguu!"
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http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146596382&postcount=196
nevermind, I don't support this anymore.
More like pediatric nurse :aah
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http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146596382&postcount=196
nevermind, I don't support this anymore.
More like pediatric nurse :aah
Sensei, may I please stay while you inspect Johnny's testicles, just in case. :uguu
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Grades 13 and 14.
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The requirements:
What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.
What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.
What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/01/08/president-proposes-make-community-college-free-responsible-students-2-years
A GPA requirement? Now watch all community colleges impose more stringent evaluations lol.
You make it sound like higher standards are a bad thing.
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I'm okay with this.
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Can we try erasing debt for graduates? :stahp
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Can we try erasing debt for graduates? :stahp
Wait for about 2022 and the riots. Once we cut some heads off debts will be forgiven.
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Nope, sorry. Debt relief is only for banks. :ufup
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Can we try erasing debt for graduates? :stahp
Ha. That's mostly owed to the government, they count it as an asset on their books because they assume it's going to be paid. You tea partiers are so selfish for wanting to break twenty year budget projections just to help yourself.