A lot of people like to assert that MLK would be gravely disappointed by black people and how they represent black people or culture. I think that mindset is complete bullshit. What MLK strived to do and what he accomplished is greatly significant, but his actions didn't fix institutional racism or warm bigoted people's hearts. That's not a dig at MLK either, the issues with race in the US are extremely deep seated.
Sucks he was assassinated as well.
How would you feel about him being a full blown socialist though A_I_A
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If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.
I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.
What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.
The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.
I agree, the baby boomers wouldn't take away anything from him at all.
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If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.
I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.
What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.
MLK....Jesse Jackson? What are you smoking? When did MLK ever insert himself in a situation in the pure interest of profiteering from someone's tragedy man? Or are you one of those who can't see what's right in front of your face?
In fact I'm not sure where you're getting half this shit.
The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.
Agreed PD. White people shit on Jesse and Al even when their reaction and insertion is justified. It takes a lot of naïveté to think MLK would be wanted or even considered relevant had he lived to the 90's or even now considering people considered him irrelevant - even blacks - before he was killed.
If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.
I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.
What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.
The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.
If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.
I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.
What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.
The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.
You mean the "me" generation that heavily leans socialist/liberal? :mindblown
Agreed PD. White people shit on Jesse and Al even when their reaction and insertion is justified. It takes a lot of naïveté to think MLK would be wanted or even considered relevant had he lived to the 90's or even now considering people considered him irrelevant - even blacks - before he was killed.
Who considered him irrelevant before he died?
I shit on Jesse because he is a con artist. I haven't said a thing about Al.
The point is that mlk could do the right thing and still be considered a race baiter, AIA.
ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.
time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.
As an example, look no further than MLK's own family after his death. Jesus.
ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.
time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.
Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.
Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?
“Riots are self defeating and socially destructive,”
“I think for the Negro to turn to turn to violence would be both impractical and immoral,”
As an example, look no further than MLK's own family after his death. Jesus.
Also: Ali is my hero, nobody better get on him.
- Louis was better
- Ali's greatest achievement was letting a slugger with no sense of composure and pace that he had a style advantage over cave his brain in
- He would lose to tons of the smaller more technical boxers of previous eras like charles, walcott, conn, etc
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ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.
time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.
Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.
Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?
ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.
time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.
Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.
Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?
Yes, because riots occurred during MLK's marches.
Esch is right that money corrupts. Maybe MLK would have sold out. But then again maybe not. He held up well against FBI threats, and it's logical to assume said threats would have lowered or disappeared after Hoover left the FBI.
Regardless I think it's fair to assume that if MLK continued to fight for civil rights he would indeed march against police brutality, support Trayvon Martin, etc.
Who said he would have approved?
"Rioiting is the language of the unheard." - MLK JR
If MLK - uncorrupted with the same moral compass - witnessed Ferguson, he would have expressed just that.
ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.
time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.
Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.
Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?
Yes, because riots occurred during MLK's marches.
Esch is right that money corrupts. Maybe MLK would have sold out. But then again maybe not. He held up well against FBI threats, and it's logical to assume said threats would have lowered or disappeared after Hoover left the FBI.
Regardless I think it's fair to assume that if MLK continued to fight for civil rights he would indeed march against police brutality, support Trayvon Martin, etc.
Man, I never said he wouldn't. He'd be there day one. He just wouldn't have the same agenda as Jesse Jackson. And the difference is I'd be there with him anytime he asked me.
Watch
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/
Saying MLK supported riots is garbage tier bullshit.
ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.
time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.
Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.
Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?
Yes, because riots occurred during MLK's marches.
Esch is right that money corrupts. Maybe MLK would have sold out. But then again maybe not. He held up well against FBI threats, and it's logical to assume said threats would have lowered or disappeared after Hoover left the FBI.
Regardless I think it's fair to assume that if MLK continued to fight for civil rights he would indeed march against police brutality, support Trayvon Martin, etc.
Man, I never said he wouldn't. He'd be there day one. He just wouldn't have the same agenda as Jesse Jackson. And the difference is I'd be there with him anytime he asked me.
Watch
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/
Saying MLK supported riots is garbage tier bullshit.
I never said he supported riots. But even your link makes it clear that he did not utterly reject them - he understood them. Likewise many of us here posted that we understood why there were riots in Ferguson while you railed against it with no sympathy or understanding...
If 1960s MLK was at Ferguson his message wouldn't be particularly different from what Sharpton said at the time: bad police terrorize black communities, racially profile, and do harm in general.
PD may be assuming because we have seen lots of black folks get media attention and our own families trying to build excuses to excuse the bullshit that went on in ferguson while pointing fingers at black folks for being angry about it.
I'll do some digging after work, and if I'm wrong I'll apologize to the OG AiA.
eh ofc I want major police reform but I hope this can springboard into a movement that addresses a lot of the bullshit that specifically targets black ppl
So far, the funniest thing I’ve seen him in was the appearance with Ice Cube on Conan, trying to get an Uber together.agreed 100%
I don't like his delivery or his stage presence. It always seems like a comedian because "that guy" every few years. I remember when it was Chappelle, then Mencina, then Dane Cook, then Louis CK, now Hart. Honestly he's in the vein of Cook to me: bombastic and his arrogant cool dude thing isn't working for me.
I like the "alright alright alright" part of his stand up but that's about it. When he talks about his family members it just doesn't sound authentic to me though.
http://www.hightimes.com/read/martin-luther-king-jr-would-legalize-marijuana
I don't like his delivery or his stage presence. It always seems like a comedian because "that guy" every few years. I remember when it was Chappelle, then Mencina, then Dane Cook, then Louis CK, now Hart. Honestly he's in the vein of Cook to me: bombastic and his arrogant cool dude thing isn't working for me.
I like the "alright alright alright" part of his stand up but that's about it. When he talks about his family members it just doesn't sound authentic to me though.
Dude, no. Chapelle was on another level, and pulled himself out of the race.
Why is video of this speech only on what looks like white supremacist YouTube accounts... :fbm
I apologize AiA
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42162.msg1967989#msg1967989
I got you mixed up with someone on a different forum. My nicca.