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-Anti-vaxxers are (from my own personal experience) conservative religious tards that don't value science and are skeptical of anything that is supported/promoted by the gubbermint.I was under the impression that they're largely leftist, Whole Foods hippie-types and homeopaths, not religious fundamentalists.
-These anti-vaxxer tards don't want to admit that their tard babies are a result of their own shitty, slightly inbred seed.
edit: Eh, I shouldn't write posts when I'm angry. The quality of them suffers as a result.
edit2: Also, conservative types who are all "Rah! Rah! Industry! Fuck the environment!" probably don't want to admit that all the pollutants that are now in the air and water are increasing the autism rate.
Rev. Edward Massey, who in 1772 preached and published a sermon entitled _The Dangerous and Sinful Practice of Inoculation_. In this he declared that Job's distemper was probably confluent smallpox; that he had been inoculated doubtless by the devil; that diseases are sent by Providence for the punishment of sin; and that the proposed attempt to prevent them is "a diabolical operation."http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/whitem10.html
About the year 1721 Dr. Zabdiel Boylston, a physician in Boston, made an experiment in inoculation, one of his first subjects being his own son. He at once encountered bitter hostility, so that the selectmen of the city forbade him to repeat the experiment. Foremost among his opponents was Dr. Douglas, a Scotch physician, supported by the medical professton and the newspapers. The violence of the opposing party knew no bounds; they insisted that inoculation was "poisoning," and they urged the authorities to try Dr. Boylston for murder. Having thus settled his case for this world, they proceeded to settle it for the next, insisting that "for a man to infect a family in the morning with smallpox and to pray to God in the evening against the disease is blasphemy"; that the smallpox is "a judgment of God on the sins of the people," and that "to avert it is but to provoke him more"; that inoculation is "an encroachment on the prerogatives of Jehovah, whose right it is to wound and smite."
In April 1982, before the NBC Emmy award winning documentary "DPT: Vaccine Roulette" was broadcast and alerted American parents that children were suffering brain damage after receiving DPT vaccinehttp://www.amazon.com/A-Shot-Dark-H-Coulter/dp/089529463X
It's a crossbreeding of people who believe in conspiracy theories, dumb people who think they are smart, and the cesspool of the internet circlejerk making them think they are an exclusive group with secret knowledge.
-Anti-vaxxers are (from my own personal experience) conservative religious tards that don't value science and are skeptical of anything that is supported/promoted by the gubbermint.I was under the impression that they're largely leftist, Whole Foods hippie-types and homeopaths, not religious fundamentalists.
-These anti-vaxxer tards don't want to admit that their tard babies are a result of their own shitty, slightly inbred seed.
edit: Eh, I shouldn't write posts when I'm angry. The quality of them suffers as a result.
edit2: Also, conservative types who are all "Rah! Rah! Industry! Fuck the environment!" probably don't want to admit that all the pollutants that are now in the air and water are increasing the autism rate.
I think that it's a fear that spans both sides of the political spectrum. On one hand, yeah you have the whole foods and homeopath liquid life energy types who see vaccines as an industry/private/corporate threat. But there are also sovereign citizen style right wing anarchist type dudes who defluorinate their water that think it's a form of gubmint mind control. It's not exclusive to the left or right in my experience.Which means we need a bipartisan solution that reaches across the aisle and brings both of these sides together! China for example has nothing but whole foods without secret Autism DNA, electric trains and clean teeth without fluoride. That's because they have leaders who can get things done.
With U.S. measles cases on the rise, the White House on Friday urged parents to heed the advice of public health officials and scientists in getting their children vaccinated.
"People should evaluate this for themselves with a bias toward good science and toward the advice of our public health professionals," President Barack Obama's spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.
Asked whether people should be getting vaccinated, Earnest said: "That's what the science indicates."
Not that it has anything to do with anti-vaxxers (it doesn't, right?)It's just a lot of crossover, same type of people often. The relation is kind of a "purity" thinking. Of body, mind, soul, etc.
You all get flu shots every year? Having the flu has never seemed bad enough for me to go out and get shot. Maybe I'm just very ignorant about this.
I don't think it's a personal choice (unless you are allergic to the vaccines or your immune system can't take it; medical reasons, basically), it's a public health issue.
When I was a kid, immunizations WERE mandatory ??? Or was this a middle class bubble I grew up in?
Wolfson, an Arizona cardiologist, refuses to vaccinate his two young sons. He said the family that didn't vaccinate and endangered the Jacks children did nothing wrong.
"It's not my responsibility to inject my child with chemicals in order for [a child like Maggie] to be supposedly healthy," he said. "As far as I'm concerned, it's very likely that her leukemia is from vaccinations in the first place."
"I'm not going to sacrifice the well-being of my child. My child is pure," he added. "It's not my responsibility to be protecting their child."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/health/arizona-measles-vaccination-debate/index.html:mindblownQuoteWolfson, an Arizona cardiologist, refuses to vaccinate his two young sons. He said the family that didn't vaccinate and endangered the Jacks children did nothing wrong.
"It's not my responsibility to inject my child with chemicals in order for [a child like Maggie] to be supposedly healthy," he said. "As far as I'm concerned, it's very likely that her leukemia is from vaccinations in the first place."
"I'm not going to sacrifice the well-being of my child. My child is pure," he added. "It's not my responsibility to be protecting their child."
Be an anti-vaxxer doctor, brehs. ::) Protect your children's precious bodily fluids.
CNN asked Wolfson if he could live with himself if his unvaccinated child got another child gravely ill.
"I could live with myself easily," he said. "It's an unfortunate thing that people die, but people die. I'm not going to put my child at risk to save another child."
He blamed the Jacks family for taking Maggie to the clinic for care.
"If a child is so vulnerable like that, they shouldn't be going out into society," he said.
“Don’t be mad at me for speaking the truth about vaccines,” Wolfson said in a telephone interview with The Washington Post. “Be mad at yourself, because you’re, frankly, a bad mother. You didn’t ask once about those vaccines. You didn’t ask about the chemicals in them. You didn’t ask about all the harmful things in those vaccines…. People need to learn the facts.”
Amid this outbreak, Wolfson actively urges people to avoid vaccines. “We should be getting measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, these are the rights of our children to get it,” he told the Arizona Republic. “We do not need to inject chemicals into ourselves and into our children in order to boost our immune system.” He added: “I’m a big fan of what’s called paleo-nutrition, so our children eat foods that our ancestors have been eating for millions of years…. That’s the best way to protect.”
Wolfson himself came to his anti-vaccination stance late in life. “I’m the son of a cardiologist,” he told The Post. “I was trained to believe in the power of vaccines…. And going through school, as a medical student you don’t question anything. You don’t question what’s going on.” Then in 2002, Wolfson, originally from Chicago, moved to Arizona where he met his wife, a chiropractor, who “opened my eyes.”:neogaf
He said he soon embraced “natural and holistic” medicine. That was when he started challenging vaccines. He said viruses — not vaccines — are a part of the natural world. “Unfortunately, they mean that some people get sick and some people die,” he said. “But the reality is that we can’t inject our children with chemicals.”
“Unfortunately, they mean that some people get sick and some people die,” he said. “But the reality is that we can’t inject our children with chemicals.”
booster shot? you're supposed to take that past childhood?
Kenet Lansman tells me she would never deny any vaccine to parents who request it for their child. But she does share her personal beliefs with her patients: She fears that vaccines have contributed to the recent uptick in autoimmune disorders and other chronic conditions. "I think we're just messing with nature, and we really don't know what we've created," she says. "We've reduced or largely eliminated many infectious diseases. But in their place, we have an epidemic of chronic illnesses in children. The incidence of asthma, allergies, and autism spectrum disorders has dramatically increased since the 1990s. And the reason for this we don't know. But my concern is that vaccines have played a role."
She has a policy of giving only one vaccination at a time, and only when a child is completely healthy. "I believe that the detoxification pathways in the body can be overwhelmed by too many vaccines given on one day," she explains.
Pediatric Alternatives prioritizes childhood vaccines based on the perceived risk of a kid acquiring a given disease. "We live in a very healthy community," Kenet Lansman says. "The incidence of these illnesses are very low, not only here, but nationwide. And so it's safe to do a modified vaccine schedule, in my opinion."
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The main reason for the delay, Kenet Lansman says, is that she still believes there could be a link between vaccines and autism. She acknowledges that the scientific community has rejected this theory, yet she says she has seen children from her own practice who begin to show signs of autism shortly after being vaccinated. "My feeling is that if there is any risk that the vaccine is associated with autism, we should delay the vaccine during this vulnerable developmental window," she says.
Several times during my visit, Kenet Lansman mentions that in her 16 years of offering alternative vaccination schedules, not one of her patients has come down with a vaccine-preventable disease. What's more, she adds, she has noticed that patients in her practice actually seem healthier than most of their peers. "Our office tends to be quiet during flu season," she says.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) doubled down on his comments that vaccines should be "voluntary" in an interview on CNBC Monday.
"I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Paul said.
CNBC host Kelly Evans asked Paul, a potential 2016 candidate, about his previous statement that vaccines "ought to be voluntary," and he seemed confused as to why his statement was controversial.
"Well I guess being for freedom would be really unusual," he responded. "I guess I don’t understand the point that would be controversial."
“I was having a discussion with someone, and we were at a Starbucks in my district, and we were talking about certain regulations where I felt like ‘maybe you should allow businesses to opt out,'" the senator said.
Tillis said his interlocutor was in disbelief, and asked whether he thought businesses should be allowed to "opt out" of requiring employees to wash their hands after using the restroom.
The senator said he'd be fine with it, so long as businesses made this clear in "advertising" and "employment literature."
Christie: We must imprison nurses who risk their lives to fight infectious diseases and encourage mothers who fight to spread them.
Okay, we all agree that anti-vaxxers are pretty stupid, but what about anti-washing your hands after using the toilet?Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/thom-tillis-washing-hands-toilet“I was having a discussion with someone, and we were at a Starbucks in my district, and we were talking about certain regulations where I felt like ‘maybe you should allow businesses to opt out,'" the senator said.
Tillis said his interlocutor was in disbelief, and asked whether he thought businesses should be allowed to "opt out" of requiring employees to wash their hands after using the restroom.
The senator said he'd be fine with it, so long as businesses made this clear in "advertising" and "employment literature."
:dayum
-Anti-vaxxers are (from my own personal experience) conservative religious tards that don't value science and are skeptical of anything that is supported/promoted by the gubbermint.I have exactly one friend who is somewhat anti-vac, but she’s questioning and has plenty of valid liberty/rights concerns about the government mandating that people submit to be infected by an inert disease. She’d back you on the likelihood that the pollutants, both industrial and personal (perfume, latex/plastic/vinyl off-gassing) are responsible for the increase in autism, allergies, and psoriasis. But she also maintains that there is a small chance vaccines can do damage, and (I think) her main concern is the state mandating even a potential 1-in-10,000 chance of harm as a preventative measure.
-These anti-vaxxer tards don't want to admit that their tard babies are a result of their own shitty, slightly inbred seed.
edit: Eh, I shouldn't write posts when I'm angry. The quality of them suffers as a result.
edit2: Also, conservative types who are all "Rah! Rah! Industry! Fuck the environment!" probably don't want to admit that all the pollutants that are now in the air and water are increasing the autism rate.
I think it started in California with the "natural" movement. People that don't trust any pesticides, hormones or other perservatives in their diet. People who think they can cure cancer by drinking juice. It's an extension of that.I Liked your post, and was right there with you until the end, but the idea of “whatever works for ya” ends for me at danger to public health, which this is, now repeatedly evidenced as such. These guys are free to believe whatever they want, no matter how wrong it is, but they should not be allowed into public schools or other publicly funded edifices without vaccination. Just no. Disneyland should also be mandating vaccination, and I realize the burden of proof and the paperwork for checking is a massive burden on all parties, so My Likely Considered Very Evil Plan of state-administered, mandatory vaccinations is more efficacious.
The core issue is that when people have nervous breakdowns they scramble trying to find reasons why. So, they hyper- focus on their diets as the reason for not feeling 'normal'. So, they create these weird dogmas around what they ingest in order to feel more balanced. That's why you see the cross-over in the types of people that engage in it. I don't judge, whatever works for ya.
The arguments are always interesting in that they altered the DNA in the food, so it will alter YOUR DNA! Which doesn't explain why a regular tomato wouldn't do the same since tomatoes presumably have different DNA than humans.I do have concerns about genetically modified foods, but it’s largely the dangers of growing major crops as a monoculture, which can be devastated by a single threat.
I assume it's like the if you eat fat, you get fat because you're putting fat in your body idea. Or older beliefs both in Europe and Asia how you had to balance meals based on warm/hot dishes and light/heavy foods, etc. because otherwise it throws off your bodies temperature or disposition.
The sad thing is that the more they try to do to stop anti-vaxxers, some will stop, but a percentage of petulant twats will just double down.
In a paper just published in Pediatrics, Brendan Nyhan of Dartmouth University and his colleagues showed that presenting people with information confirming the safety of vaccines triggered a "backfire effect," in which people who already distrusted vaccines actually became less likely to say they would vaccinate their kids.
They should have just told them that vaccines are a joke and do nothing. They would have lined right up.
They should have just told them that vaccines are a joke and do nothing. They would have lined right up.
No, they should create a line of artisanal vaccines lovingly crafted by hand from only the finest all-natural ingredients.
I don't want to hear any more shit talking, joking, or generalizations about Africa. This is pathetic, America.
The sad thing is that the more they try to do to stop anti-vaxxers, some will stop, but a percentage of petulant twats will just double down.Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/03/brendan-nyhan-backfire-effects-factsIn a paper just published in Pediatrics, Brendan Nyhan of Dartmouth University and his colleagues showed that presenting people with information confirming the safety of vaccines triggered a "backfire effect," in which people who already distrusted vaccines actually became less likely to say they would vaccinate their kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCoThis is pretty much the first time this year I’ve listened respectfully to Libertarians.
Humans are prone to all sorts of cognitive failures like that. It's pretty fascinating.
Humans are prone to all sorts of cognitive failures like that. It's pretty fascinating.
People don't like being told they're wrong, especially if they know they are.
Jenny McCarthy just keeps doubling down on dumb. Her kid isn't autistic, all the evidence points to him having Landau Kleffner Syndrome.
This wouldn't really bother me if not for the fact that she's giving thousands of families false hope.
Jenny McCarthy just keeps doubling down on dumb. Her kid isn't autistic, all the evidence points to him having Landau Kleffner Syndrome.
This wouldn't really bother me if not for the fact that she's giving thousands of families false hope.
She's not anti-vaccine breh, she just wants parents to HAVE ALL THE FACTS so that they can decide for themselves WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THEIR KIDS, based on magic mommy intuition that only works if a nude model has told you that it will.
“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism?”
“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause ‘profound mental disorders’?”
“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines have contributed to the rise in allergies or auto-immune disorders among kids?”
“Are there additives or preservatives in vaccines that can be toxic to kids?”
“Is there any scientific evidence that giving kids their vaccines further apart or spacing them differently is healthier for kids?”
“Is there any scientific evidence that kids can develop immunity to these diseases on their own, simply by eating nutritious foods or being active?”
"No."
Bit of a bump, but I saw this linked on FB: the Voltron of conspiracy theories
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/vaccinations-from-the-sky/ (http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/vaccinations-from-the-sky/)
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Geoengineering initiatives (commonly referred to as chemtrails)
It's 2015, you have to keep your personal brand fresh.
Do you really want to end up like global warming?
It's 2015, you have to keep your personal brand fresh.
Do you really want to end up like global warming?
I love your thought, but isn’t it “global climate change” now?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218)Nice to see this in English. This guy is a fucking biologist. A biologist who doesn't believe in viruses. :mindblown
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218)
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218)Nice to see this in English. This guy is a fucking biologist. A biologist who doesn't believe in viruses. :mindblown
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It's a government conspiracy to drive down productivity via cat videos.
Just weeks after he and his wife decided to change their anti-vaccination views, an Ottawa-area dad says all seven of his kids have become infected with whooping cough.