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Title: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2015, 11:52:11 PM
The enemies of #gamergate may resort to murder-by-swatting to stop the movement (http://www.reaxxion.com/5351/gamers-are-now-engaged-in-4th-generation-warfare)
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I am not normally in the habit of making predictions. Yet based on what I have seen and heard and learned over the past year, I will make a prediction for the record which readers at this site and elsewhere can, and should, hold me to account.

I predict that when cultural historians look back at #Gamergate, they will judge it to be one of the defining fronts of the newest phase of the various wars that have been fought to save traditional Western culture. And, if things continue to move the way I expect them to, they will find that unlike previous battles in the culture wars, we will have won this one.

We will win because our tactics are so fundamentally different from what our enemies expect—they emphasise speed, flexibility, surprise, and individual initiative, while our enemies remain tied to moribund doctrines that emphasise overwhelming application of massive force to individual targets.

We will win, above all, because we will have captured the moral high-ground in this conflict. And once we align the mental and physical levels of this war with the moral level—as we are already beginning to do—we will become unstoppable.

When historians look back at this movement, decades or even centuries from now, they will see a powerful example of the applications of what was once a radical and bizarre new theory of conflict called Fourth-Generation Warfare. And what we have achieved, and what we will achieve, will be used as a case study to show the destabilising power of such warfare against entrenched interests that seek to subvert values that the rest of us hold dear.

In order to understand just why that is such a radical statement, you have to understand exactly how unusual it is for traditionalists of any stripe in any of the past three generations to win these kinds of conflicts.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 19, 2015, 12:05:41 AM
Hah. That site is beyond fucked up. Love their "about" page.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2015, 12:10:09 AM
:heh
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 19, 2015, 12:17:28 AM
I'm done.

Fuck videogames and everything that goes along with it.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 19, 2015, 12:19:14 AM
I'm done.

Fuck videogames and everything that goes along with it.

I just play my stupid games and ignore those assholes. WIN.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: archie4208 on February 19, 2015, 12:25:00 AM
Gamergate is still going on?  I thought it fizzed out a few months ago.  ???
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: toku on February 19, 2015, 12:25:43 AM
War, war never changes.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2015, 12:28:32 AM
Gamergate is still going on?  I thought it fizzed out a few months ago.  ???

It did, but these guys didn't hear.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 19, 2015, 12:31:48 AM
Gamergate is still going on?  I thought it fizzed out a few months ago.  ???

You kidding? Shit was on SVU last week. It's just now hitting the bigtime!
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Atramental on February 19, 2015, 12:46:54 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/y67snFs.gif)
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 19, 2015, 12:52:18 AM
Reading that whole article is like freebasing Poe's Law
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: E-DuB on February 19, 2015, 01:13:30 AM
"We will win, above all, because we will have captured the moral high-ground in this conflict. And once we align the mental and physical levels of this war with the moral level—as we are already beginning to do—we will become unstoppable."

Fucking magical. I didn't think this whole THING would still be a thing.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Kara on February 19, 2015, 01:28:34 AM
Can I be the Reinhard Heydrich to their next generation special forces?
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Kara on February 19, 2015, 01:34:13 AM
Wow, did he really open up with a quote from Napoleon? Someone doesn't know shit about the Peninsular War... :snoop
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2015, 02:15:18 AM
It really puts its foot down as a contender for Article of the Year this early in the contest.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 19, 2015, 02:23:47 AM
Gamergate is still going on?  I thought it fizzed out a few months ago.  ???

August Never Ends (http://ohdeargodbees.tumblr.com/post/107838639074/august-never-ends)  :-\
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Kara on February 19, 2015, 02:34:18 AM
It really puts its foot down as a contender for Article of the Year this early in the contest.

We have seen abominations like gay “marriage”, no-fault divorce (read: his-fault), government-subsidised abortion and freely available birth control, and universal suffrage become “acceptable”—as if these cultural freak shows could ever possibly be considered “normal”.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2015, 02:49:40 AM
The idea of a corporation holding a legitimate monopoly on violence became acceptable despite its blatant absurdity, so never say never.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Barry Egan on February 19, 2015, 02:53:35 AM
Quote from: About The Author
A quiet man of many talents who likes few things better than a morning spent blasting through HALO campaign levels. Better known as Didact, he writes about game, politics, philosophy, heavy metal...

(http://i.imgur.com/Ug2SyLv.gif)
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: chronovore on February 19, 2015, 06:38:55 AM
I'm done.

Fuck videogames and everything that goes along with it.

I just play my stupid games and ignore those assholes. WIN.

I’ve just decided to quit making nice things for them.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 19, 2015, 10:35:11 AM
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and flexibility...our two weapons are surprise and flexibility and speed...our THREE weapons are surprise, flexibility, speed, and individual initiative. AMONG our weapons are elements such as surprise, flexibility....I'll come in again.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 19, 2015, 10:44:11 AM
I just... Ughhhhh

Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: chronovore on February 19, 2015, 07:27:25 PM
This is going to sound touchy-feely, granola, California-Portlandia or something, but I believe most of the problems we have with young white males comes from the pairing of limiting the range of “valid” (socially acceptable) negative emotional responses to anger, and the current sociological tendency toward pointing out that white male privilege essentially means they have no problems, no real struggle.

Everyone struggles, and they experience it firsthand, making it a valid, real problem for them. It doesn’t matter that measured objectively against someone else’s problems, they pale in comparison (apologies for the pun). Nobody really opens every morning with a prayer of gratitude that they’re not suddenly missing both legs, not suffering from terminal cancer, grateful for their job putting food on the table, under the roof which covers them, blessed that they’re not forced into a labor camp... Everybody has their own problems, and they’re real for the bearer.

Couple that with the way males are widely taught that being sad is weak, and crying is for girls and babies, and really the only response proper from a “manly” perspective is anger, and you’ve got a broken person.

These GG freaks, they’re broken. They have found something which resonates with them: their interests are under attack. The only response the know is anger.

In a sense, society is to blame. I still want to punch them in the face, because I’ve got my own anger issues.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 19, 2015, 07:35:10 PM
Tl;dr Shut up, cac

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obviously kidding
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Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 19, 2015, 07:36:00 PM
This is going to sound touchy-feely, granola, California-Portlandia or something, but I believe most of the problems we have with young white males comes from the pairing of limiting the range of “valid” (socially acceptable) negative emotional responses to anger, and the current sociological tendency toward pointing out that white male privilege essentially means they have no problems, no real struggle.

Everyone struggles, and they experience it firsthand, making it a valid, real problem for them. It doesn’t matter that measured objectively against someone else’s problems, they pale in comparison (apologies for the pun). Nobody really opens every morning with a prayer of gratitude that they’re not suddenly missing both legs, not suffering from terminal cancer, grateful for their job putting food on the table, under the roof which covers them, blessed that they’re not forced into a labor camp... Everybody has their own problems, and they’re real for the bearer.

Couple that with the way males are widely taught that being sad is weak, and crying is for girls and babies, and really the only response proper from a “manly” perspective is anger, and you’ve got a broken person.

These GG freaks, they’re broken. They have found something which resonates with them: their interests are under attack. The only response the know is anger.

In a sense, society is to blame. I still want to punch them in the face, because I’ve got my own anger issues.

Maybe, but they're also the first to rail against empathy for weakness as the "pussification of society," (although sure, it's probably them protesting too much)

I also don't think any would argue that they aren't maladjusted manchildren sputtering with impotent rage.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 19, 2015, 07:40:02 PM
This is going to sound touchy-feely, granola, California-Portlandia or something, but I believe most of the problems we have with young white males comes from the pairing of limiting the range of “valid” (socially acceptable) negative emotional responses to anger, and the current sociological tendency toward pointing out that white male privilege essentially means they have no problems, no real struggle.

Everyone struggles, and they experience it firsthand, making it a valid, real problem for them. It doesn’t matter that measured objectively against someone else’s problems, they pale in comparison (apologies for the pun). Nobody really opens every morning with a prayer of gratitude that they’re not suddenly missing both legs, not suffering from terminal cancer, grateful for their job putting food on the table, under the roof which covers them, blessed that they’re not forced into a labor camp... Everybody has their own problems, and they’re real for the bearer.

Couple that with the way males are widely taught that being sad is weak, and crying is for girls and babies, and really the only response proper from a “manly” perspective is anger, and you’ve got a broken person.

These GG freaks, they’re broken. They have found something which resonates with them: their interests are under attack. The only response the know is anger.

In a sense, society is to blame. I still want to punch them in the face, because I’ve got my own anger issues.

Thank you for saying this.  Its nice to know that someone understands why I hate women. 

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I still don't understand what the hell gamergate is actually about.  Maybe I should watch that SVU episode.
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Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2015, 08:02:38 PM
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I still don't understand what the hell gamergate is actually about.  Maybe I should watch that SVU episode.
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This video explains everything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV5TLkfYHuI
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Kara on February 19, 2015, 08:08:12 PM
(At least for me) appeals to the societal struggles ye oldde Gamer Gater (or MRA) face too fall on deaf ears not because I consider them irrelevant, but because I consider those bringing them up at best only concerned with treating symptoms, not causes, and at worst, employing whataboutism to stymie discussion and change. Rolling back suffrage or voluntary dissolution of contracts of association are not solutions to any problem faced by the downtrodden.

Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2015, 09:42:37 PM
Rolling back suffrage or voluntary dissolution of contracts of association are not solutions to any problem faced by the downtrodden.
How can we know until we try? Don't we owe it to future generations?
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: bluemax on February 19, 2015, 11:16:08 PM
I know someone who is pro GG. He's unemployed (worked his way up from QA tester to game designer), has no education past HS, believes in the vast global Jew conspiracy, is high all the time and is grumpy about women.

That's the face of GG to me.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 19, 2015, 11:19:06 PM
I also know someone that's pro-GG; he's on the autism spectrum but highly functioning, shockingly completely inept with women, plays WoW all the time, barely finished high school, delivers pizza and lives with his parents in his mid 20's. He might even own a fedora.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: chronovore on February 19, 2015, 11:39:36 PM
Admit it: He delivers your pizza, doesn’t he?

YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM, SNORENADO.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Huff on February 19, 2015, 11:46:32 PM
How do you even know that someone you know is pro or anti-GG
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 20, 2015, 12:02:32 AM
i knew someone pro-gg/pro-mra. i fired him.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2015, 12:05:31 AM
I know someone who is pro GG. He's unemployed (worked his way up from QA tester to game designer), has no education past HS, believes in the vast global Jew conspiracy, is high all the time and is grumpy about women.

That's the face of GG to me.
Two of these don't sound like negatives to me.

How do you even know that someone you know is pro or anti-GG
I require all people who associate with me to fill out extended documentation and include transcripts and tax returns.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Kara on February 20, 2015, 12:09:24 AM
I know someone who is pro GG. He's unemployed (worked his way up from QA tester to game designer), has no education past HS, believes in the vast global Jew conspiracy, is high all the time and is grumpy about women.

That's the face of GG to me.

Not all anti-semites are unsuccessful. Henry Ford, for example. :american
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 20, 2015, 12:24:28 AM
I stopped writing for a website because the guy who owns it is pro GG and really vocal about it on Twitter.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 20, 2015, 05:30:36 AM
what if gamergate had/has/will have actually been going on for 4 literal human generations  :stahp
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 20, 2015, 09:13:21 AM
How do you even know that someone you know is pro or anti-GG

I suspect because pro-GG people like to rope people into long spiels about ethics in journalism to try to win new converts.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Brehvolution on February 20, 2015, 09:20:51 AM
Gamergate - Not even once

Whenever I read about GG, my mind always thinks about this gif:
(http://i.imgur.com/nBwwwDd.gif)
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Huff on February 20, 2015, 04:32:58 PM
A goal in my life is to never let anyone find out I play videogames.

And I would avoid someone like the plague if they spoke out in public about videogame journalism
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2015, 07:59:14 PM
i knew someone pro-gg/pro-mra. i fired him.
Steve Ballmer?
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: chronovore on February 21, 2015, 10:40:36 AM
Actually, recently my Facebook has blown up with a number of non--gamer friends finally taking notice of this. Most of them are women, working tech, just having nothing to do with game industry garbage… Until now.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Actually, recently my Facebook has blown up with a number of non--gamer friends finally taking notice of this. Most of them are women, working tech, just having nothing to do with game industry garbage… Until now.

Time to deny everything; pretend you don't even know what videogames are.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2015, 10:50:56 AM
"Oh...uh...videogames? You mean, like, Pac-Man or something?"
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 21, 2015, 11:23:30 AM
chrono what do you do?
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Your Stalker on February 21, 2015, 04:56:11 PM
"I only play 2K and FIFA, none of that nerd shit."  :pimp
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: bluemax on February 22, 2015, 12:41:23 AM
How do you even know that someone you know is pro or anti-GG

Before all this GG shit blew up there was some dumb youtube video by some guy named InternetAristocrat that was about Zoe Quinn and the 5 Guys. This former co-worker of mine showed it to me and that is how I learned about GG and how I learned he was pro-GG. That and the fact that he checks KiA and talks about how awful SJWs are and how they're preventing him from getting a job.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 22, 2015, 01:10:59 AM
what is kia, dare i ask
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Pringo on February 22, 2015, 01:17:57 AM
what is kia, dare i ask

Presumably /r/KotakuInAction (https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/).
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: chronovore on February 22, 2015, 01:28:02 AM
chrono what do you do?

I was in game development for 20 years, but now I am stepping out more UX/UI work for academic databases and other interactive applications, bringing some of my game development ability to make it more interesting. I realized I wasn't going to be able to keep a 60 to 80 hours a week schedule when I'm 55~60 years old, so I branched out into a different field. I will still be making games for myself and my friends.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 22, 2015, 01:29:00 AM
Kotaku in Action, subreddit

there are a lot of different nests on that website that view their own particular slice of life being incurred upon by postmodern cultural Marxist feminazi Joos; it's like American White Male Crisis Part Deux: but with the Internet this time
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Kara on February 22, 2015, 01:34:25 AM
Kotaku in Action, subreddit

there are a lot of different nests on that website that view their own particular slice of life being incurred upon by postmodern cultural Marxist feminazi Joos; it's like American White Male Crisis Part Deux: but with the Internet this time

(http://i.imgur.com/FvBhvnD.jpg)
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2015, 04:37:32 PM
"Oh...uh...videogames? You mean, like, Pac-Man or something?"

"Actually the art of videogames have evolved considerably since the days of Pac-Man. Today their cinematic merit rivals that of motion picture films. Want to come to my place and watch The Order? It's a thriller set in a classical steam punk world, and analyzes werewolves like Kubrick analyzed soldiers in Full Metal Jacket."
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: chronovore on February 24, 2015, 07:05:19 PM
Kotaku in Action, subreddit

there are a lot of different nests on that website that view their own particular slice of life being incurred upon by postmodern cultural Marxist feminazi Joos; it's like American White Male Crisis Part Deux: but with the Internet this time

(http://i.imgur.com/FvBhvnD.jpg)
What’s that from?
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: Kara on February 24, 2015, 07:09:56 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Chinoise

It's basically my biopic.
Title: Re: Gamers Are Now Engaged In 4th-Generation Warfare
Post by: brob on February 24, 2015, 07:14:10 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Chinoise

It's basically my biopic.

(http://i.imgur.com/4ee5zGZ.png)

 :lucas